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Kym Whitley Reveals What Terrell Owens Was Like Before He Became T.O. · Get TO The Point

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Get to the Point. I'm your host, Terrell Lawrence,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm here with my co-host, Chris Spencer.
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  Speaker 2: And our next.
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  Speaker 1: Guest really needs no introduction, Chris. I mean, she's been
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  Speaker 1: on the TV a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And movies. Yeah, movies.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, shows like Curb the Enthusiasm, The Parkers.
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  Speaker 3: That's when the whites really learned about her.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And she has a podcast with one of our besties,
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  Speaker 4: Sherri Shepherd.
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  Speaker 3: What up, SS?
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  Speaker 2: Who's now on Broadway.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Broadway, doing big things on Broadway.
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  Speaker 2: Genie in the bottom.
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  Speaker 4: We'll let her, bestie tell her, tell us about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I've known Kim for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: We go way back. Okay, I want to hear about it.
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  Speaker 5: Because the way y'all blushing in front of me like
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  Speaker 5: some children.
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  Speaker 4: Do you see my melanin tone?
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  Speaker 3: Where's blushing?
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  Speaker 4: Where do you see blushing?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Your brown has turned to burgundy.
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  Speaker 2: I will be purple if I'm blushing.
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  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show, Kim Whitley.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, you guys are funny. What's wrong with y'all?
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  Speaker 3: Can we get a close-up on their faces?
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  Speaker 5: Did y'all mess around in the 90s? Did y'all mess
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  Speaker 5: around in Georgia? I don't think we started the show
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  Speaker 5: that way. Did y'all go to Georgia and mess around
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  Speaker 5: in a shark bar or something like that?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: We've known each other for quite a long time.
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  Speaker 3: How well?
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  Speaker 2: Huh? We're going to start the show just straight like that?
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  Speaker 2: The show is called Get to the Point.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Baby, you don't want me to.
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  Speaker 2: Get to the point because I've been waiting on you
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  Speaker 2: to call me since then.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Sip of the coffee. What are you saying, Kim?
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  Speaker 3: He stood you up?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he stood me up. We've never talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. I don't think this is the place to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it. No, we need to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: This is the place. Get to the point, Kimberly. This
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  Speaker 2: is the place to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, get to the point. Terrell, you don't even talk.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even believe you on a show like this talking.
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  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You shy?
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  Speaker 2: What? I mean, especially in the beginning when he had
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  Speaker 2: his braces and everything.
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  Speaker 3: That's when I knew him.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, was that a nerd voice? Yeah, he was very,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I think I'm the one that brought him out. Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Out of his shell.
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  Speaker 2: We had a talk and said, you got to do
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  Speaker 2: some things to be seen and noticed. Like, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I did in my career.
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  Speaker 3: Illustrious career, mind you.
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  Speaker 2: He cut up. He came on out. I think the
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  Speaker 2: first thing you did was the Sharpie, something you did,
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  Speaker 2: and I did like that. As soon as that happened,
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  Speaker 2: I was like... Where's my phone? Did it call? You're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to.
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  Speaker 3: Give me credit.
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: Credit? I did get a bit of debt. It ain't
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  Speaker 2: got to be credit. But, boy, he went. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like this. Oh, okay. I can't get us.
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  Speaker 3: I skyrocketed, huh?
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  Speaker 2: You did. I was like, if you'd have just. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, same. There's a couple people. You know,
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  Speaker 2: God gave me credit. He's taking care of me. But
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  Speaker 2: I could have gotten some more tickets to the game. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: but you got a few. But I didn't get enough.
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  Speaker 2: I was like. Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 3: This is crazy. Where is this going?
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  Speaker 2: Were you dating somebody else?
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  Speaker 3: It's a friendship thing?
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  Speaker 2: That's way too much for your show. But we've been friends,
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  Speaker 2: but for me, we lost contact.
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  Speaker 3: After he blew up, after all those tips you gave him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say all. He just really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then he got his braces off, and then he
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  Speaker 2: was getting all kind of attention, and he... And I
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  Speaker 2: was happy for him. I was really, and the first
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  Speaker 2: time I saw him, I remember, and he was with
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  Speaker 2: that girl, and she was cute, but she was not
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  Speaker 2: really your type, but she was, you know, one of those. Wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: What's one of those? You know, one of the maid people. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they just, you know, I can't say it because I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to get in trouble. You can't get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: We can edit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you can get in trouble. I know you. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't trust nothing about you. Brendan, yes, I don't
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  Speaker 2: trust you. You'll be like, keep that. Kim got canceled.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay. My ratings went up. So wait, just give
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  Speaker 2: me an idea.
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  Speaker 3: When you say one of those, are you saying a
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  Speaker 3: white girl? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: She was an other, but she was, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: the long hair and the perfectness. What's wrong with that? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: your wife, that's right. You married Vanessa's, that long hair.
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  Speaker 3: But what's wrong with.
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  Speaker 2: But Vanessa's regular. It's a different kind of... Like, Vanessa's
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  Speaker 2: long hair, pretty, all that. You know, back in the
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  Speaker 2: day when I met her, but it's a different... So
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  Speaker 2: what is wrong with the girl he was dating? It.
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  Speaker 3: Is she a Kardashian or something?
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  Speaker 2: Without the name.
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  Speaker 3: Was she famous?
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, she wasn't. Why are we talking about this? We've
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  Speaker 2: never talked about it. I see hurt on your face
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  Speaker 2: and I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not hurt. I was happy for him.
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  Speaker 4: Did you hear her say she was happy for him?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I was happy for him when I saw him with
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  Speaker 2: the girl, but I wanted to be like... That couldn't
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  Speaker 2: be me. No, I really wanted to... See, that's hurt,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. No, that's not hurt. That's Jalen Hurts.
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to be like... I wanted him to
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge me and just be like, hey, girl. And he
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  Speaker 2: was cool, but he was already T.O. And once you
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  Speaker 2: become T.O., he was T.O. He was different. He wasn't
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  Speaker 2: the little dude I was talking about, the shy dude.
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  Speaker 3: With the braces.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He had already become a superstar, so he was different,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Do you agree with any of this?
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  Speaker 1: I can see where she could. I think that, I
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  Speaker 1: understand that. I transitioned, I transformed. She saw me in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning stages.
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  Speaker 4: I was in the ugly duckling stage.
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  Speaker 2: Hold up. Kim Whitley, don't do ugly. Hold up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just at the ugly duckling stage for me. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I had the braces. I was Californian first time. Kim
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  Speaker 1: Whitley's like, again. We've already talked about it with some
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  Speaker 1: of our guests already. Like me being immersed into Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: meeting these stars.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, Kim was one of those. What year are
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  Speaker 3: we talking?
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  Speaker 4: I don't even remember. This was 97, 96, 97.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was like within my first three years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Because I had the braces. That was my first, within
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  Speaker 4: my first three.
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  Speaker 2: Years in the league. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Kim, she was at the house and everything. Show up.
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  Speaker 2: We're part of the house. You're messy. You're messy.
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  Speaker 3: You're messy.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? I've been happy for him, but we never,
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  Speaker 2: we never, like me and you hang out all the time.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny you say, we've never really discussed or talked
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 2: We have never talked about it. I cannot believe we're
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  Speaker 2: doing this on your show and not mine.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I've got an attitude now. No, and when you were
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  Speaker 2: going to come on, the Two Funny Mamas show.
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  Speaker 3: You can't stop it. Come on. You got to say
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  Speaker 3: Two Funny Mamas all together.
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  Speaker 2: All together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I didn't know where it was going.
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  Speaker 2: That was good. That was good. When you show up.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't never seen you act like this. Huh?
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  Speaker 3: Both of y'all are weird.
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  Speaker 2: Who?
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  Speaker 1: Weird.
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  Speaker 3: That's what, like, you know when you find out your
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  Speaker 3: mama's sleeping with somebody.
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  Speaker 1: You be like.
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  Speaker 2: That is hilarious. Your mama.
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  Speaker 3: You be like, why is.
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  Speaker 2: The refrigerator in the pyramid acting like that?
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  Speaker 5: Remember in Django, when Sam Jackson whispered in Leonardo's ear
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  Speaker 5: about Jamie.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, them two know each other.
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  Speaker 2: He sure did. He did that.
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  Speaker 3: Them two knows each other.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, because he knew from the energy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Boom.
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  Speaker 3: Look at you two weirdos.
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  Speaker 2: That's my baby right there. All right, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: pay for the next date. Both of y'all single, right?
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  Speaker 2: We ain't going to go nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be raggedy.
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  Speaker 2: You go plant a little five-foot pool.
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  Speaker 5: Kim just got her pool made into an adult pool
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  Speaker 5: from 10 feet.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. So they can wade. And tell life. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what I was mad because everybody kept calling you
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  Speaker 2: Terrell or.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever in the beginning. And you know the real Terrell.
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  Speaker 2: I was so irritated.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I would correct people. I was like, that is not
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  Speaker 2: his name. Please stop.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Kim.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Kim. And then it went to T.O. and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay. but I couldn't be mad because
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  Speaker 2: he was becoming a superstar with the things that we
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  Speaker 2: talked about and he did it and he rose this
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  Speaker 2: is what people don't understand you gotta do stuff different
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  Speaker 2: in Hollywood and everywhere he started doing things to be
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  Speaker 2: noticed that you told him to do no I didn't
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  Speaker 2: tell him we just had a discussion about it I
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  Speaker 2: didn't give him like you gotta do this and do
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  Speaker 2: that but we had the discussion that's what it sounded
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  Speaker 2: like earlier but go ahead well no it was to
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  Speaker 2: be different we had that discussion right how do you
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  Speaker 2: stick out.
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  Speaker 1: Right and understanding that coming from Alabama, being in California
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, immersed into Hollywood, now I'm meeting
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  Speaker 1: somebody that was in that space.
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  Speaker 4: How do you navigate it?
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  Speaker 3: What is it like?
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  Speaker 2: Was she your first actress you dated? Wow.
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  Speaker 3: You see how he set up?
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  Speaker 2: Friendship. You see how he set that up? Listen, let's
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  Speaker 2: go back. Can't be with the Fisk. He set you
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  Speaker 2: up good. He almost answered. If you would have came
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  Speaker 2: out and said seventh, I would have hollered.
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  Speaker 3: So wait, y'all got another thing in common.
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  Speaker 2: Where'd you go to college?
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  Speaker 4: I went to UT Chattanooga.
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  Speaker 3: And where'd you go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at Nashville Fisk.
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  Speaker 1: How far is that from each other? About an hour
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  Speaker 1: and 45, maybe two hours.
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  Speaker 3: Not far. Not far. Y'all didn't know each other then?
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  Speaker 2: No. No, no, no. I'm older than he is.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was my extent of love. Did you start theater?
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  Speaker 3: Like older women.
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  Speaker 2: See, why did I agree to come on this show?
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  Speaker 4: I guess I can say that.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, Stella. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: We should have done Two Funny Mamas. I'm feeling real uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so mad. And why did you stand me up
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  Speaker 2: for Two Funny Mamas? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't stand up. No, I'm coming.
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  Speaker 2: That's twice in my lifetime. The show's canceled. I will
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  Speaker 2: beat you. Where's Brenda? Where's the producer? I can't do this.
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  Speaker 3: I only can't i will be on the show i
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  Speaker 3: promise you.
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  Speaker 5: Wait wait this guy is a stickler for people who
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  Speaker 5: don't right are not people of their word are you
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  Speaker 5: telling me this dude has integrity kim so are you.
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  Speaker 2: Telling me he flaked on you because that's not what he.
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  Speaker 4: Does You know if I say something, you know I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So you're calling her a liar?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying she's lying.
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  Speaker 3: She's just wrong?
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  Speaker 5: Because what she's saying is you were supposed to do
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  Speaker 5: two funny mamas with.
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  Speaker 3: Her and Sherri Shepherd.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah that was there was your candle we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: talk about that no no but something ironically he's blown
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  Speaker 6: you out twice because he can't.
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  Speaker 2: Blow out he's good i mean that didn't sound right
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  Speaker 2: that's not what i meant that's not okay wow wow
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  Speaker 2: i quit okay i didn't plan.
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  Speaker 5: For this to go this way what i'm saying is Terrell,
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  Speaker 5: or whatever his name was, with the braces, became T.O.
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  Speaker 5: He blew you out then. And then for the podcast,
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  Speaker 5: he blew you back out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he blew. Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: I need some liquor. This is not just coffee. Go
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  Speaker 2: get it. Whoa, Chris. So he didn't show up.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get back on point because he always talks
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  Speaker 3: about his integrity. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My legs got tight. What's wrong with me? Let me relax. Okay,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: here we go. Let's start to get action.
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  Speaker 3: Boy, you're giving this dude too much material over here. No, no.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get serious for a minute. Okay, let's just get
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: serious for a minute.
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  Speaker 4: Let's stay on script.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stay on script.
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  Speaker 3: He is known for his integrity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 3: There's people who are supposed to be on the show
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  Speaker 3: and he said no because these people weren't men or
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  Speaker 3: women of their word.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Are you telling me He's a hypocrite?
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  Speaker 2: I would never say that about him. Okay, good. What
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  Speaker 2: I would say— Why the fuck are you whispering?
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  Speaker 3: What the hell happened?
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  Speaker 4: These are great mics.
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  Speaker 3: They pick up everything.
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  Speaker 2: Right, thank you. That's why.
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  Speaker 3: I want to move on. This is scary.
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  Speaker 2: What I will say is that something happened in his schedule,
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  Speaker 2: and he couldn't show up for that episode, but he
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  Speaker 2: did say.
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  Speaker 3: I did, yep. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he didn't text me personally.
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  Speaker 3: Follow up.
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  Speaker 4: He called you Ray. I will definitely, I will make,
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  Speaker 4: I will be on your show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so you did that?
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  Speaker 4: I will be on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Truck broke.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do that.
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  Speaker 3: I always tell people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see a text from Terry.
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  Speaker 4: Look, if I tell you there's some cheese on the moon,
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  Speaker 4: you better bring some crackers.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so your word is your bond. I can't wait
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  Speaker 2: till they say cut and it's over and the show
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  Speaker 2: is over. I'm going to take you in this room
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  Speaker 2: over to the stage.
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  Speaker 3: And do what y'all used to do.
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  Speaker 5: So Fisk, what was it like going to this prestigious university?
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  Speaker 2: HBCUs are absolutely a wonderful experience. This is a weird transition.
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  Speaker 3: I just had to get over there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, my kids go to Howard. Oh, great.
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  Speaker 3: And my daughter goes to Prairie View.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Your daughter's old enough to go to college?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And I know your brother went to Howard along with
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  Speaker 3: our friend Buddy Lewis. That's right. Tell us a little
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: bit about the HBCU experience, you being a Delta. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I pledge that. That's right. Soar. All right.
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  Speaker 3: I love you. My daughter wants to be one.
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  Speaker 4: She wants to be one.
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  Speaker 2: Tell her to call her stepmama. Her auntie. Her auntie Kim.
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  Speaker 2: Just tell her to call her aunt Kim. You are
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  Speaker 2: showing out.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're showing out. Because I love the kids. So, pledging. Wait!
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  Speaker 2: I can't even drink it. Oh, why did I decide
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  Speaker 2: to go on the show?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. We have to build it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You saw our DST, all those good things.
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  Speaker 3: So, boom, you pledged.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Fisk University, Alphabeta chapter. And this is what I tell people.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to go to an HBCU. I didn't
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: know anything about it, but it was legacy. My whole
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: family went to Fisk. And they did my application, sent
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: it in. I didn't even do the application. Oh, wow.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: And I remember in high school, because I grew up
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: in a Caucasian neighborhood.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: Shaker Heights.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Shaker Heights. And I remember we were in the grocery store.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: Sugar Heights?
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: A white neighborhood? Shaker Heights. Oh, Shaker Heights.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: It's the suburb of Cleveland, correct?
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, Shaker Heights, Ohio. Because I got to relax.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, like, Sugar, Shaker, Sugar Heights,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Shaker Heights.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: Kim, come on, come on.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: You know my lips getting away. So, Shaker Heights, Ohio.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Is a place in Cleveland, okay? So what happens in,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I was in the grocery store, and my mom and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: one of my Caucasian friends' mothers was in the aisle,
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: and it was in 12th grade, and she said, Kim,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: where are you going to school? And I thought my
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: mother was down the aisle. And I remember saying, Cornell!
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Just yelled it on, because my brother was going to
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: go to Cornell. So I was like, Cornell! Now, my
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: black mama, she heard me. She said, no, she's not.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: She's going to Fisk University in Nashville, Tennessee. And I
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: was like this. I was like, yep, I'm going to
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: go there, too. So I realized I was embarrassed. I thought,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, I have to go. Yes.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: You're going to a PWI high school.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: You're going to a PWI college. College. And I remember
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I said, no, your application's in. You're going to Fisk.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. That's why parents are important.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: They know. What you need.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: What you need and where to go.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Not what you want.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Not what you want.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Were you a little whitewashed?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. You know, a little bit. I
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: had that Cleveland shaker, you know. And just not knowing.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: No one educated me on HBCUs. They never had taken
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: me down there. When I tell you they dropped me
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: off and I saw them when I graduated, I was like,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. Wait a minute. But it's a mini,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you know, society. You learn everything, you know. So, but
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I did, I learned about my heritage and my blackness. And,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: you know, it was a school that we ran out
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of heat at that, in this particular year. But I
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: loved it so much. I stayed there and I still
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: love Fisk University. You're talking about the heater broke. The
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: whole school didn't have heat. We were out there on
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: the corner with Kay. Because a lot of the HBCUs,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: they're underfunded.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: If anybody knows Mackenzie Scott, she has given so much
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: money to HBCUs. Fisk University. I beg of you. She's
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: hit like, this year she might have hit 40 of them.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, how many are there? She's given millions
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and millions of dollars.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Millions of dollars.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: She should get a BET award. She should get a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: BET award. And to be honest, that's not even enough.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: They're still underfunded.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And we think about people only know about,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: you know, Howard, Spelman, Morehouse. They know about the big ones.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And a lot of those get state funding. But I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: would just say it was a great experience. And I'm
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: so glad that your children are going. I'm going to
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: take Joshua. My son is 15.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Now I mean I saw.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say I wish he was like to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: put a football in his hand. Oh, okay, sorry See
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I know now and I look
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: back and I see what the girls do now Oh,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I would have oops you do you understand? So what's
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the definition of oops, you know, oh guess what? Oops
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Oh Damn, I miss my period too far too much
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: no oh and his twins okay twins running my family
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: so but i didn't i was a good girl it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: ain't too late that's the thing oh well jesus would
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: have to come down but and my son he need
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: another daddy he would love being your stepson right in
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: time for college.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: And christmas college too late.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Oh damn you already got what you got one kid Hmm?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: How many kids you got? I got, where you, yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: we lost touch. We did lose touch. Three girls, two boys.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: You got that many children and you couldn't give me one?
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: All actresses too. I might have one overseas somewhere too.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Did you say I might have one overseas too? Use a,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: use a, use a stingy ass.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Kim could have used one of them babies.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I could, I don't have nothing else to say. I'm
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: not even finishing the podcast.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Damn. So boom, you're at Fisk, you're gaining, you're gaining culture.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about what year did you pledge? One baby.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: She's stuck.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: What year did you pledge, Kim?
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't give out years. Oh, what?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: See, we had a girl break her arm on the campus.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: They had kicked the Deltas off the campus.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Y'all were hazing?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You know, hazing back in the day was a thing.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: It was pledging. It was real pledging. But what happened
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: was the Delta wasn't there, so then we had 60
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: girls on our line.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: You're lying. In my senior year. Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That's a lot. I was like 53, number 53.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: You were 53? And they go by height?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yep. All these girls, there was 52 people.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Taller than you? Yes.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: What? No, I was at the end.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, taller. Got you, got you.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I was about to say. They was big, too. They
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was taller than me.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, hmm.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Those were at the end. But I was called dog. So,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I was the one that did all the steps,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: called them out.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you look like you're a ringleader.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I am a ringleader. Oh, I wish I was more
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: mature back in the day.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I was.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Nice girl.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: But was it a great experience? Pledging?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I was. Pledging was fun. Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Do you still keep in contact with the community?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: My line sisters, yes.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to get my niece, and you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: should encourage your children to. And let me tell you why.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It gives you friends for life. It gives you a
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: sense of community. My two nieces did not pledge. I
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: have since reached out, but I kind of blamed myself
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: that I didn't when they went to college. I said, hey,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the Deltas, one of their mothers, a.k.a., but Just to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: get with a group of women or men, because later
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I see my brother has his cues. Everyone has their group.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: It gives you something later in life.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Brotherhood, sisterhood.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Look how deep Buddy is with the cues. That's what
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. My niece, she's a theater girl. She's an actress,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but she doesn't have that. I said, girl, you've got
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to pledge now. Go to grad chat. So it was
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a great experience. I'm glad you all asked that. No
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: one asked that question before. No, no, because my daughter's
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: in Howard. She's a sophomore. The Deltas have approached her Okay.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Should I tell her about the broken arm incident? That
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: was at Fisk.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: It's different now.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard it's almost like you sign up now. Yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: it's different.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Nationals have gotten in there and been like, hey, we
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: don't do that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: They've softened it up a little bit.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you really have to talk to your children, boys
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: or girls. They're going to pledge, what are you going
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to tolerate? See, I told, when I was pledging, even
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: when the AKs, because all my friends were AKs, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: they was like, come on, Kim. And I remember, Verl,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you know you was Evelyn on campus, that's what they
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: called her. And I was like, no, Verl's still here.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I can't pledge with Verl. That's why you
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: became an AK.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: No, because Verl, she had a reputation. And I told everyone,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I said, I will tell. I'm not going to write you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: They were like, what? Oh, I will call nationals. They're like, Kim,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you can't do that. immediately pull out a paddle make
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: me do something crazy hey hey nationals yeah yeah you
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: don't know me my name is kim whitley um they
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: down here whooping our ass huh yep right at this
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: all right click just sitting there whistling waiting waiting for
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: him oh i'm horrible i'm horrible Because I was.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Like, whoa.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: My face hurts. Look at these kids. These kids have
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: died over drinking. They'll make you keep drinking and drinking.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: You can't. Some people are paddling you. And these are
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the boys and the girls. So as a child, you
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: talk to your child when they get ready to pledge.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: They can go too far.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And you can't let anyone go too far. Right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And they don't know what's too far for somebody, for
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: an individual.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Somebody just died recently. We don't have to get into
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: all that. OK, yeah, because I thought all the pledge.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess there's still some chapters that are
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: still hazing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: And that is a problem. And nationals is all over that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: But that's something that, you know, since you all have
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: children are interested in it and you should let them
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: talk to other like if your daughter is.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Listen, Vanessa brought your name up immediately.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: OK, I was going to say, yeah, she needs to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: talk to me. I'll be in D.C. Actually, I'm going
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Sunday for the Delta. We have a little special committee.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Won't you come the day before? I'm hosting an influencer's brunch.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: I got Jasmine Crockett. I got Ben Crump. I got,
• 23:02
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• 23:03
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• 23:06
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• 23:07
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 23:08
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• 23:10
  Speaker 5: the second half is going to be Emi Atsi Kroyanaldi.
• 23:13
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• 23:16
  Speaker 5: they have their show, Reasonable Doubt, where they play attorneys.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: So we're going to talk about the law with the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: real law, and then we're going to talk to the
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: law with the fake law.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to see if I can change. I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: would love to come to that.
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• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Question so how did you because you know there's i
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: don't say stereotype but it's a look for akas and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: deltas you know you your light skin, nine times 10,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you're an AKA.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: How did you decipher between the two?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Pearl did that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? They, they, they are, they do
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: say that, but I also believe it's energy because in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the Divine Nine, they're all different colors. It's a sisterhood
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day. But I also believe
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it's energy. I am not, I crack up my girlfriends.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, girl, are you an AKA material? The Pearls,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Kim Whitley? No. I knew then. I was like, that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: how y'all dressing. That was not. They doing all, you know, that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Do it again. You know, Julie's daughter just went. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Anna Grace is. Okay. But I feel like you have
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: to go with who you feel. And when they approach you,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You need to go to the rushes because you have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to see who you fit with. Say you go sit
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: out in the rush and you look at all these
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: girls and they're actually either hating on you or, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: or mean mugging you. Like, what are these helpless? They're
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: going to be my line sisters. Or they're, hey, girl,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and you feel that energy. That's who you go with.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And that's the sisterhood. And my aunts are AKAs. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I went Delta because of.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how me and Chris got this because it
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: was like. You know, me, Jamie Foxx, and, you know, Chappelle.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I had a couple of people to go, but it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was that energy me and Chris, you know, brought to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: this show. So, you know, Chris, it's that energy.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: David Chappelle and Jamie Foxx? Yeah, yeah.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I had an opportunity, but I... Well, they put us
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: in separate rooms, right? They asked me who I wanted.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Is this real or y'all playing?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I said Randy Moss.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say, okay. I was going
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Santana.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I was going to say David Chappelle and.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just chose energy.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: You should have called me.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: That's what you just said.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: So the energy is not true?
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Not with Christmas. Oh, I'm right here. Oh, okay.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about the entertainment industry and how you got
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: into it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That is true. When I heard you two, I was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: like this. Okay, opposites attract. I thought it was cute.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: But you don't really know it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: We're not even opposite.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I knew Braces Terrell, too.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Terrell, yes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Terrell.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: You got me saying Terrell because you said earlier. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: knew Braces Terrell, too.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, we go back. Around the same, really,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: around the same time. Oh, okay.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I just did, you know whose podcast I just did?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And it was really good. Kid Cudi.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really enjoyed. So me, him, and Kanye are
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: going to go out and have dinner. because me and
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Kanye used to be real tight and kidding him tight.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Not like how tight?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: No, not our tight.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: More auntie.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I played his mother. Yeah, no. Not too many people
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: got what you got. I played Kanye's mama.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yo, this is crazy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm glad the fan is on up in here. Turn
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: it on me. I played Kanye's mama on the HBO show.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: We did a pilot together. So I had to hang
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: out with his mom and get to know her. That's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: when he was dating Amber Rose. But that was my
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: little nephew. Like we were cool. And then, you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: life happens just like you. Life happens.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: He had braces too. No, his mouth was wired.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not good at keeping in touch. A lot of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: it's my fault. I don't call people. So did acting
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: bring you to Los Angeles? Yes.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: A play, a commercial, a movie?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I know you want me to say a pimp robbed me,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: but that's not what happened. I wasn't on the Greyhound bus,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: got off. Right, right. No, you know, once I went
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: to college, my parents said, once you get your degree,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you can do what you want to do. That was
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: their only thing.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And what was your degree in?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: My degree was in art and business administration with a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: minor in theater.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: So that's where the theater background came from.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I used to paint, sculpt, all those things.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: If you ever come to my house, Chris, you'll see.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I've been to your house. Oh, you ever go through
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the front door and see all the paintings?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: No, you made us go to the back. I did.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You're right. Okay, that was good, Chris. Good comeback. My
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: mother said I can do that. So I said, I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: went to New York first, then I went to L.A.,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: and I said, where am I going to fit best?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Like you said, that energy. New York, I was like, ooh,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I ain't going to make it here. It just seemed too.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And I went to L.A., I was like, oh, everybody
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: laid back. This is great. No suits, just chill. And
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: so I came out to Los Angeles and My father
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: came with me and I found the Negro Theater Ensemble Company.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: That was in it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Like we talk about pledging. When you find your group,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: found this group of black actors and just started. And
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: then I got on Soul Train. Yeah, Loretta Shelby, look
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: at you. That's me and Buddy's first play. And Junie Smith.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And Nima Barnett's husband. Oh, my God. He would kill me.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Mr. Barnett.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: No. He is not a Mr. Barnett. Reed McCants.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: These were our teachers. And I'll never forget.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: You know one thing?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And I've never said this on a podcast. We were
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: already on an interview. I'll never forget the one thing
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: these black men said as a young actress. And I
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: was like, they're so... They sold 1970, they sold Soul Brother.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They said, ladies, the first thing I want to teach
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: you is don't give up your womb for this industry.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: First of all, they should have used another kind of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: language because when they used the word womb, I was like,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you're uncomfortable because of this. I was like, your womb?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a baby.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: But that's what he was saying. He said, ladies, he said,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: because they were older than us, they said a lot
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: of women don't get to have children because they're so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: worried about about making it in this industry, and then
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: they get too.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Old to have. Without living a life. And the words
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: of Scarface, your womb is so polluted.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They weren't. Nobody was polluted. He didn't.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Continue.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, he just.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I see why you're on here, to keep him straight.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You're the brains of the operation.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Man, somebody got to do this shit.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Who the fuck was that?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Stay on track.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to make it funny because you motherfuckers.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It's hot in here because of y'all.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: I ain't never felt energy from somebody else. Stay on track, man.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Stay on track. So, boom, you come out here. Yeah,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: you said teacher. You mentioned teachers.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: You once was a teacher.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, so in order to support myself out here. You
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: were a teacher? Yeah, in Compton. Hey, Compton. Yeah, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: all the Compton. I was a substitute teacher. But I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: became friends with all the principals, so they called me direct,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and they called me the general.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Can't talk about that without getting arrested. But they would
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: call me when they had a hard class, and then
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I got a class for a year.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: What was the word you used?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Hard, difficult children. Difficult.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Got you.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yes. They would call the general. And let me say always.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Do we have commercials on this show? Oh, shit.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: That's what she said.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the teaching. Teaching. So they would
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: call me and say, three substitute teachers have left. Can
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: you please come in?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: The kids loved you, huh?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, had a good time.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: You know what it's like when you got a substitute teacher?
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Fine and funny. Man, that was like the best days. Yes.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that really helped me to support myself. And
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: then I lived behind the Crenshaw YMCA, and you know
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Cynthia was running the Y. That's how we became friends.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Boutte was running the Y. So I went over
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: there and said, can I get a job? And then
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I started working at the Y, and there we go.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: And then what did, like, Beauty Shop happened.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, while I was in my one efficiency behind the Y,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: KJLH had the commercial on. Beauty Shop! You know, all this.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, I've never heard of it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Tell everybody what that is.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, Beauty Shop is one of the first African American plays.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: This is way before Tyler Perry.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Way before Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry used to come and
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: watch us sit in the back and watch. We remember
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: meeting Tyler Perry back then. And, you know, it's amazing
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: how He sat and watched. And I don't know if
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: he was homeless then or what he was doing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: You remember seeing him?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Yep. Tyler Perry and Shelly Garrett. And he would just come.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And I guess he was learning. He was taking notes.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Taking notes.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: He was taking notes.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Which is amazing because I should have been taking notes. Right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in the show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Everything but.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Everything but. Tyler was a visionary. And he saw what
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Shelly had started. And this play went across the country
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and made millions. We had lines wrapped around theaters because
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: it was the first time, it was a marketing genius.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: No one ever advertised a play like that on radio.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was advertised better than a movie.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Better than a movie. And word of mouth, Shelly always
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: told me, word of mouth is what makes it. And
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: we made so much money. Wendy Raquel Robinson started then.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: We were all together. Who else? Green Mile, Michael Clark Duncan.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: He was in that?
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: He was our security. Yes. Michael's another person. God rest
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: his soul. Need to say thank you. Not like that,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: but Michael would ask me how do I, when he got,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was it the Green Mile the first thing or something else?
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: But he called me, but he was like, Cameron, I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: ain't never done this. You know, come on. But you
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: look at people and then all of a sudden you're like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: but he kept in touch. Yeah. And then he dated
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: my good friend Omarosa. So it was a lot, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: it's a family. So, you know, we look at this,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: but Shelly Garrett, that's what we got. That was our education.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Think about that. That was our college education for acting
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and theater. And it was great.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: No better school than to be on stage.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: No better school.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Because there is no cut. You forget your line, you're
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: going to have to figure out something right there.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: You better figure it out. And was a great educator.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: When I tell you what I learned, Chris, you're just
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: like me. I didn't know what upstaging was. And now
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I know, of course. But I cut a fool. They
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: all hated me. Every last person. Because they're doing their lines.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I'm over there on the couch cutting up all. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: have pulled all the audience over here. Rude. But when
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you're young and hungry. I was excited. And then Shelly said,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: can you direct my next play? Can you be, because I,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: how I got, there's a lot of stories. How I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: got on the show, I was an understudy because I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: went to Shelly. Oh, I've missed the whole thing. After
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I heard it on the radio, I went to the play.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I waited for him. And I said, how can I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: be a part of this production? I will sweep the floors.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I will be an understudy. Costumes. He said, just, you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: can audition. We're doing understudies. Me and Kim Brooks We
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: became really good friends. Kim Brooks. We became really good friends.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: We sat on the side of that stage watching every night.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, who going to get sick? Who
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: going to get sick? Just waiting. I was like, I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: got to go in. I got to get in. Whose
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: luggage can I put cocaine in? You ain't never been
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: on the sidelines. We on the sidelines waiting.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I've been on the sidelines. I've been there.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Did you have that feeling that you wanted to get in?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Plenty of times.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I'm listening to you.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: There are some parallels to what you're saying in your
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: industry to what I had to do when I was
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: in high school, college, watching people play. knowing that inside
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you have the ability to play, but you're being judged
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and evaluated by people that really know the business, know
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the industry. Until I actually got my opportunity and chance,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I just had to sit there and just wait.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Be patient. Had to sit there and wait. Well, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't as patient or as athletic, so what I did
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: was I went to.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't just... I couldn't just put myself in
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I went... Behind everybody's back. Not even
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: behind their back. I went straight to Shelly Garrett and said,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: can I talk to you? I said, I've created a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: character for your play.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: You're lying. I sure did.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I said, you know what you don't have in your play?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: He said, what? I said, you don't have a church lady.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Church ladies, they come to the beauty shop. He did
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: like this. He said, you're absolutely right. I said, that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: how I can, you know, I can be the church lady.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And I did a little church lady for him. Next week,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I was on stage as Sister Rosemary.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: No freaking way.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: The cast was like, I'm still looking at Kim sitting
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: on the other side. I was like this.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Girl, hush your mouth.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: She's still on the side waiting on her chance to
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: come in.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: And then she got in. And we traveled and Sister
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Rosemary cut up. We were so crazy.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Was it all getting bigger and bigger and bigger?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It was out of control.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: They hated you.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: They hated me. And then Shelly said, I got a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: show called Living Room. I'm going to give it to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you to take on the road. And that's where I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: was talking about where I missed my opportunity. He made
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: me a Tyler Perry. Right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: But you're like, I want to be in front of
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: the camera. I want to be on stage.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a talent. I had the same thing happen to me.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: When I was working on.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: I was Martin's stand-in, nobody believes me, during the presentation
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: and the pilot. And I went into the room with
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: John Bowman, God rest his soul.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: And Bentley was a writer, young writer. And I started
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: playing with this, you know, writing. And he was like, yo,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: why don't you be a writer?
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, writer? I am an actor.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: And then I saw Bentley's House and I was like, fuck!
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Bentley's House is like the whole.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Right, it made you go... Same thing. I was like, oh,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: that could have been me.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: And now we're writing to catch up right now.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: We're trying to catch up, right. But God, you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: has a plan. That was... Tyler's lane, but I could
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: have been Jakarius. I could have, you know, kept going.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw everything from the box office
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to casting. I knew how to do it. So you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: let me take the, I took the living room and
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Wendy was one of my actors, Wendy Raquel Robinson. And
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I was the boss. And what I didn't understand was
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: why are these people not listening to me? I was like,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: they were my peers. He didn't come with me. I'm
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: on the road running it. Okay.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I've never heard this story.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was very.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: So it's hard to tell Wendy. Come on, speed it up.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wendy was respectful, you know, but it was hard.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: The men.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Forget about it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Forget about it. And then I was like, I will
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: have you replaced. because Shelly gave me the power to
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: say that. Because you know, I ran at night. It
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: was like, they're not listening. They're not listening.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, because you was snitch.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I forgot I was a snitch. I remember I was right.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I was a snitch. Oh, I'll tell in a minute.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: My brothers, that's what they call me. I'm not going
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: to tell you what they really call me, but that's
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: what they call me, Boss Moss. Yeah.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So Kim, tell us, you go from teacher Kim, actress Kim,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: to comedian Kim. Where does that, how does that transition?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And what I've learned, Red Fox gave you some encouragement
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to go into that space.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why you, I tell people I'm tired now,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: but because I'm tired, like the networking and going out
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and being, just meeting people. You have to be in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the world. You have to be in the world too.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And I was on the set of Harlem Nights. that movie.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And my friend from the Negro Ensemble, Desi Arnaz, his
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: name was, black guy, his son was Desi Arnaz Jr.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And he auditioned for the little boy in the movie. Well,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Desi had to go to work. He called me and said, Kim,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: can you take him to the set? I was like, yeah,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I'll take him to the set. So people have heard
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: this story, but it's the truth. You know, I'm still, remember,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I'm that hungry girl who wrote the part and was
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like here. So I'm walking around. I'm like this. The
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: little boy, I don't know where he is supposed to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: be watching. I don't know where that little boy is.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: You know, brought him to the set and he just.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, he be in his dressing room with the teacher.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: He on his own. I'm walking around looking for opportunity.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And I go around a corner just being nosy. And
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: in those director chairs is Red Fox, Richard Pryor. Eddie Murphy,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and standing up was Renaud Duret talking. He just back
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: there kicking it. Of course, I walk around the corner,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, and you know how those sets were built?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: You can't, you know, a movie set inside of a studio.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It's just walls.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: You always feel like you in the way.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, always. So they were around this corner, and I couldn't,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: there's nowhere to go. You couldn't keep walking. And, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, But Ronaldo Ray, rest in power,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: with his smart mouth, said, ha, you know, he said, oh, girl,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you looking for a seat? I was like, yeah, no,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm good. He said, well, as long as I got
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a face, you got somewhere to sit. So the boys laugh, but.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: You can't do that in 2026.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Right. You can't do that now.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: You ain't lying. Snitch kid would have been.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: That is true. Oh, snitch kid would have been like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: standards in practice? No.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Ha, ha, ha.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: H.R., not knowing who I am, who I know as
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a comic today, and I say this because Chris is
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: here and we mirror each other and he knows who
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I am as a comic. Immediately, I said, well, as
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: long as you got a face like that, I guess
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I'll be standing.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: I told you she quick. I told y'all she quick.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Why I say that? My heart immediately, because. These
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: are legends. Red Fox fell out. Richard Pryor spit his coffee.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: One of them just, and they cracking up. And I
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: could see Ronaldo's face. He was not laughing. My heart
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: was like this. You know, because it's almost, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: in comics, They tried to bag, and you bagged back.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: They weren't ready for the girl to come around the corner.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: They weren't ready for that comeback.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: And you're like in your 20s. These are fucking legends. 50s, 60s.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And Red Fox called me over, and he said, do
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: you do stand-up? And I said, no. And by that time,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I had a little notepad. I said, I've started writing
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: some jokes down. And he said, now why he say this?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: If he ever needs somewhere to sit.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Right, I know he did. He did. He said, get
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes together and I'll help you. Well, you know
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: what 10 minutes is?
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Back then?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Just, and I was like this, okay. He said, I'm
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: tired of seeing these ugly bitches be funny. I'll never
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: forget it. He said, you're cute and you're funny. He said,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to help you. And one of the biggest
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: mistakes of my life, I was like, my mother told me,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: be careful in Hollywood. Because of sex, drugs, and rock
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and roll. And I was like, my mother, she said
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it to me every night. So I, excuse me, I
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: was looking at Red Fox. I was like, he going
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to have me in a pile of cocaine. Just scared.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a mentor. Had nobody to, I knew
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: no comics. One of my friends were comedians.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: At that time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: You were thrown into the fire.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: God was like, here you go.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And I could have been with Red Fox tomorrow. Uh-huh.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: But I might have been, I might have been, okay.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: My mother told me about this. But no telling where
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: I'd be right now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: So you didn't put the 10 minutes together back then?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: So how many years later was it before you actually
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: got on stage?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: The night he died.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Don't make me cry.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I couldn't, I went out. to the world stage in
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Leimert Park. And I, oh, I'm going to need a
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: tissue too. And I did my first two minutes. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I did. I was like, ah, yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Because I felt like I missed an opportunity.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Why am I crying?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Because we love each other. And you looked at little
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Kim and you felt bad for her. He was like, Kim,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: we both could be further if you'd have just given
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Redbox some ass.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Kim.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Oh, my God. I don't know why I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: agreed to come on here.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: This is out of control. I always feel like I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: talk too much. Now they're going to have clips of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: me everywhere. And they're going to be talking about me
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and T.O. And be like, this is a lie. Then
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: we got to fight against it. I got to see
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: this podcast before it come out. I have not signed
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: any paperwork. Everybody's like, I knew it was something with
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that T.O. I knew it was something. I knew it
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: was some shit he wasn't telling us. That's all right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: It's going to make your rap go up and mine.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: It's all good. It's all good. One of the next
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: war shows we're going to.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, boom. We need you on the carpet. Yes, you can. Oh,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you don't even understand.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: This is good.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: This is good medicine for me. Because you don't talk
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: about these things.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: If I were to get red box of ass, please.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Just go together.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. That is if I would have given.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: If I would have gave red box of ass.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Me and Chris would be further along. Me and Chris. Yeah,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: we'll be further along in this traffic. Me and Chris
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: would have houses like Bentley. Y'all are wild. Oh, God, wait.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I can't breathe. Who asked me to be on this?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Why did somebody bring this up?
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Y'all got the back of my head hurting. I've never
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: had my ears hurt.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I've been smiling and cheating since I think I walked
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: through the door.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: No, this is good. This is good. You know why
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it's this good? It feels like friends just talking. You know,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: it's good for me. I enjoy you bringing up the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: past because I don't ever, I talk about some things,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: but not like this because I know Chris so well
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and he's so ignorant and he appreciates the dumb jokes.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: If it was just me and you, I'll be over
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: here trying to be cute, not all crazy, and be like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: and then I'll be a little bitter, all that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: But.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You know what else is about to make me cry?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: We've been trying to do this for years.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: You know what else is about to make me cry?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, don't.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Is listening to you and then me responding to you.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: We shared a best friend named David Arnold who passed
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: away four years ago. And you say stuff. Just like him.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: And I saw my special and I see me saying stuff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: You see it?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Just like him. And I'm like, he's in us. You
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Not like how you were in her. But like.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: First of all, that is not.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: That is not. That's not a fact.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: That's not a fact.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about sexually. I'm talking about in terms of. Yes.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: We're into each other. Figuratively. Figuratively.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Figuratively.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the big word.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Figuratively. Okay.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Not literally. So listening to you talk and say stuff
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: is just like.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: David. David, all, I say it all the time. You know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: get you, because, you know, you say things like, get
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: this thing called a family.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it ain't for the weak.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: It ain't for the weak.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: All those things. Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're about to make me cry.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: That was good. Kim.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: We were in Africa a couple years ago.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: And you had a guy. Yes. It's usually your type,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: like an ex-football guy.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Just athletic.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: But it's always a dude that look like he didn't
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: make it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: No, that's a lie.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Don't listen. Don't listen to him. He's a practice squad nigga.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: It's okay. I was the only one.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: He's a practice squad nigga. Great looking guys. Handsome.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: I got a reputation.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: But you can't cute.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Google them.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You can't Google them.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: No known searches.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Don't listen to him. Don't listen to him.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Don't listen to him. But all great guys. But these
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: are ABAs and CFLs.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Hey.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: They made a living.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you the bug, sometimes you the bitch.
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: Sometimes you the bug, sometimes you the bitch.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you the bitch, yeah.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you're a starter, and sometimes you get in the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: starter's water.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It don't matter.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Nonetheless. A check is a check. Kim, you know athletes.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You know sports.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, I used to really know it. But, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: something happened, and it hurt me, so I left. But
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: go ahead. Were you a Browns fan? I love sports, yes.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Browns, Cavaliers.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: All that. I played football.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I did it all.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: One of the first girls on the team.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: On the Browns?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: On the Browns.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Cleveland fanatic.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I like the Seahawks and I like the Browns, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: the Browns, you know, the cardiac kids.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So, Kim, being from Cleveland, who is like your sports team? Like,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: who do you follow now? Is it more football? Is
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it more basketball? Because now, like you said, you living,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: being here in L.A., you know, this is a basketball city.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I switched. You're right. The Lakers and the Clippers now,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I go to the games.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I did switch. I don't even go
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: to a football game anymore. No. Didn't even think about that.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: But because, well, the Staples Center is so fun, the food,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: you get to see people.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just switched over. It did. And then I
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: had to learn the game of basketball. You have to learn.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: In order to enjoy sports, you have to understand them.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: You're just watching it. But once you start learning and
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: someone's there teaching you, Did you play any sports growing up?
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I was captain of my volleyball team in college. I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: ran track. I played basketball.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Girls football.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: So basketball should have been an easier follow than football, right?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, except my brothers played football. And then in high school,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: they passed a law that said girls can play football.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: And I joined the team as shaker and And I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it because they had me
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and Suzanne's. Let me tell you something, because then the
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: coaches and the boys were mean because we had to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: use separate locker rooms. And then, you know, they would.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: They would hit us. They would. They don't make pads
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: for these. The pads on the shoulders. Oh, my God.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: We got beat up so bad. I quit in two days.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: My brothers hated me. They came home and was talking
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: to me, telling my mom. She want to be. I
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: don't know why. And you know what? I had to
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: analyze this. You know why I did that? This is
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: going to sound crazy. This is therapy. I did that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: so my father would be proud of me.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: He loved.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: He came to all my brother's games. So he said,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: if I play football. He'll come to see me play.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: He came to maybe one volleyball game, maybe. You know
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he would.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Have came to all the football games.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: What?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So I joined it. It was me and this other girl.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Yeah.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: What position did you play?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Wide receiver. I'm going to run and catch the ball.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Because I knew I was fast because I ran track.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Ran track.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: So were these boys.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: They would aim at your boobs?
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: It was my brothers and my cousin. What do you
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: mean aim? Straight elbow. Straight. As hard as they could.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Trying to make you quit.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And what did I do? Tail.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Ma!
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Tail. I showed him.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: You've seen a lot of people. Is there anybody that
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: can make you starstruck?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Besides me.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Besides you and Terrell. You're right. There are a lot of,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Al Pacino. You saw Al Pacino? Al Pacino chased him
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: down on the carpet. Al Pacino really, and what do
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: you say? And oh, what's the man that I chased
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: him down to? Who did the color purple? What's his name?
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Danny Glover?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: No, the man who created, who was the boss. What's
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: our man? Not, Steven Spielberg.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: You saw, you chased down Steven Spielberg?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And I did, and I stood there in his face.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I had nothing to say.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: And I was looking, and I, you just, because I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: want to be like, can you do for me what
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: you did for Oprah?
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to say that, but I was
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: just like, we're here. When I tell you this man
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: looked at me like security. I didn't know what to
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: do with that because I don't understand like when people
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: chase me down. They just they want something from you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what they want, but I understand
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: it because you're right. You start. That's the only people
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, damn.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Did you have something in your head formulated prior to
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: meeting him that when you when you did meet him
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: that you wanted to.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I did. But it just didn't come out.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: It made no it was.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: It was. It just didn't.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I know Oprah. I'm Oprah's friend, and I know,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: and they told me, but look, I got this thing
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I need to rent you. I didn't know what, what
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: am I saying? A lot of times you're looking for advice.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Advice would have been good, but on the carpet? How
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: do you, hey, I know who you are.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You may not know me from Beauty Shop.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Do you watch BET?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Have you seen old drama?
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Have you seen? So.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: You're trying to find something simple to engage in a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: conversation to where it will lead to what you want to.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: And you don't look crazy.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: You cannot.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Look like a weirdo. Like you said, security.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Right. The only other person, and you play and you
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: have not made it happen. I have not officially met
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Obama and Michelle. That's what's so crazy. And when I
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: think about all the people like Oprah and Tyler, all
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: these people I do know.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And actresses that are fantastic. But I don't know. This
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: is how I met Obama. You ready?
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: It was... When they were in office, it was Easter weekend.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: They came into the church in D.C. My niece, my
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: little cousin, invited me to the church. They sit two
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: rows in front. It's me, my son, and somebody else.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: But the daughters recognize me from raising Whitley. The mama
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and the kids. What's her name?
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Melania? Sasha.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sasha. This is what's so crazy.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: What's their name?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Sasha and Melania. Sasha and Melania.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sasha and Melania.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: And they were fans of the show. And I was
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: like this. And they're two rows wide. And I saw
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Michelle and Melania and the girls turned around. They were like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and they saw a little baby Joshua.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: They were like.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: So I see Michelle and the girls tap. They daddy
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: and the husband, Mr. Obama himself. Pop, pop, pop. When
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I tell you this man, they're like, that's Kim. That's Kim.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: And again, when I tell you he did like this.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I was like this. You don't want to meet me? No,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't mean, but he was just like, they
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: were excited. That's as close as I've gotten. Then they
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: had the Easter egg hunt and they cut off this
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: little area. And Obama went in there and Michelle went
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: in there to read the little books to the kids.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And a man, I had gone to the bathrooms. Somebody,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I said, I got to go to the bathroom. Take
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: my son, leave him, you know, leave him in here.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Just watch him. You know me, I leave him with
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: a stranger. I go back. They won't let me back
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: in the fence. Why is Joshua on Obama's shoulders? Walking
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: around the little thing with the kids. Did you get
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: it on camera? They said if I reach out to
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: the photographer that was always a photographer, they have that picture.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And somebody took it from the back. Like I saw people,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: but I was like, somebody give me the camera. But
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: he had Joshua up on his shoulder.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to get that picture for you.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Somebody, former White House aide.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Somebody.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Those are my people.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I got you.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Those are your people.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: And make sure I meet them one day.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: We need that picture.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I got you. That might be harder, but the picture connection.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Really? You can't make that happen?
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: They don't call me back. Former president, Mr.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Obama.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: No, you got it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Obama, Michelle, y'all come on.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Is there anybody you wanted to meet, either one of you,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: and they died before you got a chance to meet them?
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, Michael Jackson.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one. Prince.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Prince.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: Wow we were in the same room uh-huh but I
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: didn't get to meet him he oh he kind of
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: kind of said what's up to a group of us
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: but I would have loved like when I hear Chappelle
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: and Chris Rock talk about because they were friends with
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: him those stories are.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Like this dude was special yeah I met him met.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Prince uh it was all-star weekend in New York and
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: being a brand Jordan brand uh brand Jordan athlete um
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Mike always has like an after party or what have you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: So he only, it's selective people. So it was like
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: a little small group of people.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: And I knew, but not everybody else knew, but the
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: performance was Prince.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: It was like a special performance and it was Prince.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And when everybody that came in at the new security
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: was in there, no pictures, no, no, you know, he
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: was anal about no pictures, no videos, no nothing.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Did like, I still snuck and took a video. The
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: week after I post that video, it stripped from Instagram.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why am I... like, how did why did
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I post it?
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I know they can do that. He was ain't on
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: no video. It was like no videos.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: No pictures.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: No, nothing Everybody that was in there.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: They had security walking around if they saw you videoing
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: took that phone and they deleted it No pictures. No
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: nothing But what I will say, what I've heard, some
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of the best performances and people that not only just
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: perform and entertain, Michael Jackson and Prince, he was only
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: supposed to perform like maybe one or two songs. He
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: got on that stage and went for like an hour.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: And a half.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I believe it. I've heard the story.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Because he got so into it, like he's a.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Performer, like he wants to perform. Man, I ain't going
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: to tell you, I was glued. It was like no other,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: like nothing I've ever seen. And Mike had already passed.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the closest I'm going to ever
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: get to somebody like Michael Jackson.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: And I soaked that up.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Good for you. And you got it up here.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, I got some videos from.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, you still got the sneaky videos.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: They're going to come get you.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: That's what I say.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: That's all right, son.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Tell them to try.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Come on with it.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who was the person you wanted to meet, but
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: they passed away? Who was it that I was like, oh, dang,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I never, and I guess I will say Michael Jackson,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: because I was supposed to go to his house back
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: in the day with Cynthia, Cynthia Boutte from the YMCA.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: She took the first group of kids to Neverland. She
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: got a whole program and took inner city kids. It
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: was the first bus. And I worked at the Y.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: She said, Kim, do you want to go? I said, yes.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I had rehearsal with Shelly Garrett. And what I did,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: when I tell people, I should have been sick that day.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: And I said, I.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Said, Shelly, can I go to Michael Jackson's house? Can
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I please go? He said, you cannot miss rehearsal. And
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: you think about your life. And you know what I said?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to be so great, I'm going
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: to meet Michael one day. But what I learned from
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that is when opportunity knocks, take it. And I could
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: have said, I'm sick and didn't show up. I might
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: have lost my job. Who knows? But I could also
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: have been Mike's right hand. Who knows what would have happened?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: But that was the one person I wanted to meet.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I did get to meet Prince quickly. Sheila E. introduced
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: him to me. He said, I know who you are.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: That's always great, right? For all three of us, like, Yeah.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: We're somewhat. They're famous. I'm popular.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: So when you meet somebody that you are a fan
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: of and then they know you.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: That happened to me with Michael Jordan.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Well, how would he not know you? Well, you were
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: pretty famous then, right?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: But I just. Still. Did you have braces?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: But I didn't think he.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I just. I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: if he.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Because I'm.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: People don't follow football. They don't really know who you are.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: But I met him.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: It was another NBA All-Star weekend in Atlanta, and he
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: was at his party or something. He was in Keith
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Sweat's club, and he was in the back in VIP.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: And somebody brought me back there to him.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, Mike.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Hey, Mr. Jordan. I was like, I'm Terrell.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, Mike, I know who you are, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: That's dope.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Man, it was crazy.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: That's dope.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: One other person I wish I would have met is
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Bernie Mac.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: We knew Bernie. That's one person.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: And I've even, through Instagram, have talked to his daughter.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Because somebody had mentioned that he looked like me.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: He has a brother that they said, she told me
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: he has a brother that reminded me of him.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: What about Nelson Mandela? Did anybody meet him?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Not us three niggas, no. Nelson George, maybe. Howie Mandel.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: He was at the club the other night.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: Being that you said that, we're going to take us home.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: To take us home. Kim, we have a segment on
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: here called Four Downs. Four Downs to score.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Can you score? You got four downs to do this.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. So many things I could say right now.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, say what you got to say. First down, Kim,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you've made people laugh for so many years. What's one
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: moment in your career that's really important to you that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: people realize?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Creating and selling the show Raising Whitley, my reality show
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: that gave women permission to adopt a child and being
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: a single mom and just building your village together. I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: got a lot of reward from that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Where's Rodney?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: He's still around. Joshua's with him right now.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: On his shoulders.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to my dad's house. Yes, that's true.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The village has been great.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Second down, Kim. Second question.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: What role.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Or what movie you wanted to play or be in
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: that you didn't get?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, and go with the ones that like, you're like,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: and they turn the knife and you're like, oh gosh.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: The pit, there was a, who ran the hospital.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Yep, the pit. That looks good too.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: You know what, Chris. So you're trying to say I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't have done it? You would have killed it. I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: would have killed it. But there's something about her. Okay.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying it's not, the part is for that person,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: it's for that person.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want people to be like, oh, Kim,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: all bitter. No. No, you're not bitter. She was better
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: than you. Abbot Elementary, Janelle James' part, The Principal.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: You was up for that?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I was up for that. Yes, waiting for me. You
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: would have killed that. We can keep on going down
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the list. I want to be in a new Snoop
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: movie right now.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Let me see. Wait, what else?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: NCIS couldn't be in that but when I look at
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: all the things and the variables and things that happened
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes it wasn't your performance there's other things in there
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Dolomite I'd have loved to been in it but the
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: girl who got that part she won an Oscar so
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: you see where her path was going I can go
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: down a whole your movie you didn't put me on
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the strip whatever that I loved that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Movie they said you was Chris yeah man she was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: too funny I was like, I love that movie.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Why you didn't put me in that? I got on terrible.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Let's get on you for a second. So why didn't
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: you put me in, what's it called, On the Strip?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: You can tell me the name of it.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I got it. It's On the Strip and it's That's it.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: It's third down, Kim.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Come on. Strip. It's on the strip. Where would it be?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: No, what?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Back on the strip.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: That movie, I enjoyed that. I think it should have
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: gotten more publicity.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: I do, too.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you put me in it?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: We came out doing a strike.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Was there a part there that you could have been like,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Kim could have done this?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, that they wanted to go a different way. That's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: what they always say. Such a Hollywood answer.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: No, but it was a Hollywood answer. It was. They
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: wanted to go white. Aren't you the boss? No.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: I'm a director for hire. I'm not Tyler Perry.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: But I thought it was your movie.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: He's sounding like Stephen H. Smith right now. Oh, get him.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: You know how this shit is.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I know how it is. But no, there's so many
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: roles we could talk about. There's a show called The
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Cable Guy. I really wanted that one. It's coming out soon.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: But it's such a good, like I can see myself
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: in it. It's dark. It's funny. Because I want to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: do something different.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Dark and funny.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: Go number three. Third down.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: This question right here, I'm going to frame it. And
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I can frame it because I've been in this position before.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: As a football player, not really knowing that I would
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: become the player that I became, I had somebody to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: believe in me. Not just one somebody, a few people.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Who in your career believed in you when nobody else did?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, are these career? Well, we know my parents,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Before they knew Kim Whitley, the actress, the entrepreneur, the comedian,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: before they knew Kim Willie, Hollywood, L.A., Kim Willie.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: My sixth grade teacher, Miss Groves. Yeah, she's still around.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Miss Groves, she's still around. She comes to all my performances.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, how old were you when you started teaching?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, how old is she now?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I guess she's like in her 80s.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: 80s? Wow.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: You'll be on the road and she'll come to my show.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: She'll come to your show in Cleveland.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Martha's Vineyard. Yeah, she's something else. Black lady? Black lady, yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: She let me bring a rat to the class. It
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: was a lot. Fourth down, Kim.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: You're close. You're close to scoring.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: You haven't scored just yet, but you got one down
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: to do this. At this stage of your life and career,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: what is Kim Whitley chasing now that may surprise some people?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Like, what's next for Kim?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say peace. You know, because
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I've been chasing it for a long time. But I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: want to give other people jobs, producing, directing, creating, that
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. Giving others opportunities that you... Yes, comedy special.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Those things you just want to knock off now.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: How about your comedy special? Exactly.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: That's what is next for me. My comedy special. I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: saw Chris could do it. I was like, There's my twin.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I can do it.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Because both of us, so we both.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Comedians, quick-witted, a little lazy, because we can get away
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: with dunking instead of working on our left and working
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: on our right and making sure we run the floor.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: But I got a little bit more work ethic. No,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: let me tell you why.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: My comedian, my comedy work ethic got better because she
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: was booking shit on TV and movies and I wasn't.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: So I had to figure out how to do something else.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: So I started writing, and that writing kind of transferred
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: also to my stand-up writing and caring.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: If there's anybody who's been pushing her comedically, there's nobody
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: more than me and David Arnold, because we know, you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: see how she didn't want to answer the question, and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I know exactly what to say to her? I know her,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: because we're the same freaking people.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: You know what to get out of it.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. We are the same. Strange enough, we love the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: improv world and messing with people and talking.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: You know what's so funny not to interrupt you?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: It's a sister from another mother.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: Like this whole thing with crowd work, me and her
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: were doing that shit when it was frowned upon.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Come on. They'd be like, oh, please, could you guys
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: do some material?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Me, her, Buddy Lewis... And now it's a big phenomenon.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Matt Wright is in specials.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Nate Johnson, Nate Robinson, what's his name?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Nate Jackson.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Nate Jackson. Yes. What's the kid? Mojo Brooks. Mojo. And
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: even other comedians who weren't of that. Desi trying to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: do a little bit of that stuff. And even other
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: comedians that weren't of that ilk. The Aries, the Gary Owens.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: They're doing stuff that she and I were doing and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: it was frowned upon because they would even ask.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Us, she knows, they'd be like, are you hosting tonight
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: or are you doing material? I'm going to be funny.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: I'm going to be up there. And now people are like,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: are you going to do material?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: I would love for you to do crowd work. That's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: something her and I could do in our sleep.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: We could go up on stage and do three hours
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: of not saying one thing we've ever said before.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: And that is which translates to talk show podcast because
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: that's what it's about, being able to just talk. If
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: you can just talk to people and be funny while
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: you're talking, it's the same thing.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: And that's why we're here.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Kim, for gracing our show.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Yes. Finally got a thank you. Thank you, Kim.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Tell our viewers where.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: They can find you, what you have going on, what's next.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: That's your camera there.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Let them know. Well, first of all, you can watch
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: me on my new show called The Barnell Hill Show. Yes.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: You and Wendy are reunited.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: That's right. We never worked together. Paramount Plus. You never
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: worked together. We've never worked together. That was it, but
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: we've never been on TV together. Paramount Plus, Barnell Hill Show, everybody,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence, Tommy Davidson, and then social media across the board.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: My name, K-Y-M, and Whitley.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: So thank you to our guest, Kim Whitley. We love you.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: You know how I feel about you. Even if some
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: people don't show it like they should.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: Please like, subscribe, and follow to GTTP Pod.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: And if you're watching this on YouTube, GTTP Podcast. Get
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: to the point. Or not.