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RHOC: "OC Housewives Doing Their Jobs!" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama Darling. Drama Darling, Drama Darling. Hello, everybody, welcome back.
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It's Drama Darling. It's me Amy Phillips here with emilydesas Hy. Hello.
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the bonus episode. You got to be Tier two for that. And uh
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Southern Charm Wow, just just popping off. So that's what's happening on over
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there. And you know, today Emily and I are gonna call of our
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The Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion Part two. Wow. Yes, And
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I think it's all right. I think it's all right that we get too.
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I'm okay with not getting a third episode, you know, and contrary
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to to my own opinion that there should have been three, considering this season
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was really lit up, you would think and assume it through episodes, but
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you know what, they really did tie it up well and we will get
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into how they landed, how they stuck the landing. So yes, you
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know, that's all fine and good. And we have a little bit of
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dish, not too much. It's a little snoozy in the news lately because
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people, you know, their hearts and their minds, and everything is on
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what's happening in the Middle East, and so, you know, I think
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things rightfully so are a little quiet on the front of postings and things like
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that, and I respect that. So that being said, we do want
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to distract from from those things just for a little while. So if you
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can be with us for an hour and you know, just take a break
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and try to get some laughs out and away from the world for a minute,
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we're happy that you can be with us. And and and so that's
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that's really that. And I just have to say Brett and I were talking
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yesterday about, you know, baby Dwarter and how she really took to reading
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very quickly, you know, and this just a little personal story, and
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like he was killing me because I was like, I don't understand, Like
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what did we do, because she's really excelling and reading and doing so well.
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And and I said, you know, I know, we've been reading
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books with her, and we've been pretty good about that, but we haven't
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been like super strict, you know what I mean. And yeah, somehow
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she like she went from sounding stuff out to just you know, barely sounding
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stuff out to just knowing the words, and I don't know how she's doing
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It's like almost like she's doing in her head and that out loud and Brett
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was just saying, yeah, I remember when I was learning to read.
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It was just like ea ah yeah yeah, like it was so intense and
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I remember that to oh, and it just seems like Maddie kind of skipped
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that. And I don't know really how, and she just is like,
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you know, for a second, she'll be like yeah, skeptical and she
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just moves everything else is just like thorough through, you know. I just
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I mean, I don't know how she's doing it, but I've been working
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with her at about two am every every morning, no wonder she can't get
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up for school, a little sweetie snoozing away. Oh my gosh. That's
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great. I know it's really cool. And I'm just like, well,
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it's not my brain. I don't know whose it is, but not this
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goal. That's awesome. So anyway, we have a little bit of day
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to get into Emma Lane serving dish. Okay, well this, you know,
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I kind of feel like this is some news that will either blow up
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or just completely go away, and that is you know. Tasha Kay on
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YouTube you know that Galinas Tasha, So you know, I don't want to
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take from her her bags, you know, so I just say, go
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on over and see what she's got going on. But I want to just
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skim the story and let you know what's happening all about. TRH has a
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bit of a story here that they're covering from Tasha Kay's really scandalous YouTube interview
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with a woman that is alleging that she's had an affair with Chris Bassett,
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the husband of Candace Dillard on the Real Housewives of Potomac, that he's been
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allegedly cheating for six months. So there was this live that she did,
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and you know, suffice it to say, no receipts were shown. I
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will land there. Okay, no receipts were shown. Well, there was
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one receipt. It just is hard to say if it's real. Oh okay,
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it was a d pic. It was a D pic. But well,
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there and an audio message a literal receipt of an abortion. Okay,
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she said there was a little literal receipt of an abortion, but she didn't
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show it. Oh got it? Okay, I thought there was a visual
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of it. Okay. Oh wait a second hold on a second. Okay,
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well, she says, Okay, this is what Tasha says. Just
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just in on my desk. Husband, Chris Bassett, alleged mistress of six
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months, just sent me nude photos of what appears to be Candicetillard's husband and
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abortion paperwork for the mistress. According to the mistress, the abortions had weeks
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ago. Now, I did watch a clip of it and Tasha Kay is
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saying in regards to the abortion, and I apologize for the language if this
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is a trigger warning for anyone. She said that she she has it,
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but she does not want to show it. And Tasha said, well,
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I'm not going to show it to everyone. I'm not going to do you
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like that. I mean that would be like and I'm not going to put
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you out there like that. And and she said, just put it in
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the chat. But I don't believe that she did. She's claiming that she
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has this, and I could be wrong, but from what I understand,
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that was not shown, and that she said in response to the abortion that
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Chris said, you have to do this because you know, if you don't,
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Candice, we Candace won't be able to film on this show. There
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are a lot of really intense allegations made here by this woman, and she
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essentially is saying that Chris hit her up in DMS when she was cooking chicken
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and on her Instagram live and he was like, oh, that looks good,
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just like you do. That's weird that that for the like, for
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him to step out like that like that is so weird that he would,
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for the first time ever to make that chance with a random person cooking chicken.
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That's such a weird thing, right, I just look, I don't
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even I can't really give life to this. And the other thing is she
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said to give life to it. I'll say allegedly four thousand times, but
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I believe this one thousand percent. You believe it? Are you kidding?
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Have you watched this guy? Of course? Wow? Okay, I don't
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know. I don't believe it. You don't? But why not? I
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why would Why would this person? What does she have to gain? Her
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lose? Fame? Money? Okay? A huge fan of Mistasha and who
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doesn't want to be with Miss Tasha? Come on, this is Potomac.
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Okay, there's not fame and money, and also it's Chris. But what,
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like nobody is is it's Potomac. There's fame and there's money. Well
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let's okay, let's think about that, all right, okay, okay.
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I just I just don't think in terms of fame and money coming out of
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something like this, even if it's like like the height of some A list
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star, there's rarely fame and money that actually comes out of an allegation.
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Well, there's there's money, and there's five minutes of fame. There's five
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minutes of fame because you're listening to drama darling and you're being talked about,
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and the money comes from you know, tabloids if you want an interview and
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things like that. Sometimes but sometimes not. And I just don't know.
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I mean maybe maybe wouldn't there be more money coming out of saying pay me
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x or I'm going to talk to him? Absolutely, I mean, for
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sure some blackmail uh huh? But is that blackmail? If it happened and
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she's like, I need you need to like, I like, I,
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Well, it's not a blackmail. It's maybe it's extortion. It's extortion,
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Yeah, it's extortion, But if it actually astortion, you know, I
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don't know. I think like also if he I don't know, my hunch
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is that he's been they're pretty yeah, he has had a wild hairpis asked
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for a minute, I would think, Okay, well, you know this
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allegedly, this just an Emily and I are going to have to agree to
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disagree. I'm going to go with I don't believe it, but I also
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like to believe women. And so that's the other thing is, you know,
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this is the conflict for me. Uh you know, neither Chris or
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Candace are that likable to me that I am invested in their relationship. That
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said, let me take a step back. Candace without Chris, I actually
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do enjoy a million percent. I will back Candace till the day ends and
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drive back. I mean that's all. That's We've got that, and we
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need to withhold that because also when Chris gets it when I always think she's
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doing so much hard work for him and like him as her manager, like
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that can work, but it's not. It doesn't feel like it's working for
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her. And when we've seen it and I think she's having Candace and Candace's
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mother are having to do a lot of heavy lifting financially there, and I
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wouldn't be surprised if Chris was like, I'm going to take a break on
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all this and pop into some DMS this But here's the thing. Potomac is
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coming out in like a matter of a week, like almost two weeks from
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now, and here we have this shocking claim, this shocking allegation. I
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mean, this isn't you know what I'm saying. This seems very on the
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nose of publicity of I mean, God knows it, just I don't know.
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I'm just saying I can't go down this road and fully invest in believing
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this one hundred percent. I just can't, and I won't. I won't.
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But I respect Tasha Kay's work and her journalism, and that being said,
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you should listen or check out the interview. She this woman is very
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much under as they say, the influence of something. It seems like allegedly
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like she's talking very strangely. You know, it's very to it. I
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I'll okay, here we go, darlings. I will listen to it.
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And then but I'm going to say, on the surface, just reading it,
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I was like, oh, yeah, okay, this this checks out.
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Yeah, okay, Well what do you think, guys, what are
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your feelings while we you know, take a pause on that. I just
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want to let everybody know that the selling Sunset season seven trailer has dropped.
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We got an exclusive on people. They say you can look forward to a
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fresh feud, fresh feud come in your way right November three? Can you
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not keep dropping stuff the week of Bravo con I'm begging you, Okay,
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no one is around or focused. We need a second all right, Yes,
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I agree, I agree. Netflix Circle gets a square. Thank you,
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thank you, Emily. Oh god, I mean I like that reference.
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And frankly, I haven't heard any family Ties references in weeks from you.
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I know. Well, it's we'll all get there. It's a crisp
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autumn is on us, and I'm sure I'll be pointing out some Keaton,
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some Ohio vibes. Oh my god. That just reminds me Jorinda is up
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in you know, the Berkshires and some of her posts about you know,
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the uh, the the autumn coming. She's like peekaboo hunting cheeseon and she's
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like hiding, you know, she's peaking up for some of her decorations in
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Halloween. It's amazing. I just love it. But anyway, getting back
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to the selling Sunset trailer. It returns November three, coming back Krishelle obviously
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and and and she has a tense exchange with her ex boyfriend and current boss
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Jason Oppenheimer and new part and his new partner Marie lou Noirk and uh,
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and so we've got that thing going on. It looks like Jason is poised
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to try to stir up some drama, I mean fake drama between the you
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know, Los Angeles or I should say the Sunset location and the Orange County
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selling set selling Sunset location where he's like, oh boy, Orange County's killing
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it. What are you guys doing. We're gonna see Krishelle and her partner
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j flip bye ye bye b ye. And uh, you know we got
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Chelsea back, Amansa, Bree, Emma and Nicole. Oh. Heather al
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Musa is uh who's been part of the cast in season one, is noticeably
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missing from the trailer after confirming on an Instagram post on Thursday that she will
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only be in a few episodes this season. Well, she just she just
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had a baby. She does have a baby, you know, give her
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give her a break. So very exciting and we'll we'll check in on selling
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sunset well after Bravo khn has you know, come to a head and died
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down and is only just a memory in our rear view. This is a
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wild story from weeks ago that did not pop onto our radar necessarily in terms
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of reporting until now. But Emily, can you do a little heavy lifting
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for me on this story about Joe Gorga? Yeah, so yeah, pull
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up my sore Switches Reddit Bravo Real Housewives section. But it's about Joe Gorga
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being a partner in a law firm okay in Arizona. In Arizona, right,
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and all the lawyer jarlings will know this. But the ABA has a
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rule outlining professional independence of lawyers, which generally wouldn't allow lawyers to have non
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lawyer partners. Arizona made an exception to this rule a few years ago,
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so he's he did not he didn't clear the bar exam, but he can
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in Arizona. And then it says that he's advertising in New Jersey or Arizona.
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They're not sure where this billboard is. And I saw a billboard,
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but I can't see this billboard because Joe, look at this picture. Can
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you see it? Hang on, Yeah, let me see this. It's
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pop up the picture so you can clearly see that billboard. Yeah you can't.
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Yeah, exactly. It's Joe's dumbface with a blurred out billboard behind.
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So he's doing a shitty job of advertising. But I I did see a
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billboard where he's like, don't flip out and totally using Teresa's line like Teresa's
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identity. Yeah, that's not cool. It's that cool, talk to me
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about it. So I don't know, but the post says like, can
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he can he be a non lawyer in New Jersey? Can this law firm
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average? And it's like, and I want to say, yes, you
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can do that. Okay, Well, I'm looking at the Bravo docket just
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to cross pollinate on your story, Emily. The Bravo docket explains a little
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bit about how I mean literally the post and this is all the attorneys.
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It's from the Bravo docket. These are all the I'm saying attorneys, but
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it there, Well, this said that only one attorney and the rest are
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non lawyers. That's what I was going to say. They're all listed as
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non attorney, partner, attorney partner, non attorney partner, non attorney partner,
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non attorney partner, non attorney. There is not one actual attorney on
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this list, or at least that they're covering in this story. But they
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say that these and other restrictions in Rule five point four were considered essential for
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keeping lawyers independent in their legal advice and preventing the possibility of non lawyer owners
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who might prioritize profits over duties to clients. There are seven partners in this
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Arizona firm. Looks like like, as you said, only one of them
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is practicing. So there are three reality showcast members, a former NFL player,
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and two brothers who have law degrees but are listed as a non attorney
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partner on their firm website. So it looks like they're just promoting that they
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can give advice and that's and they're protected in that Really bizarre, really smart
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though, I mean in terms of like if everything is above board and legal,
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if if you're like a young lawyer that just wants a bunch of money
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to start out, like go to reality stars and as investors, and then
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they'll be happy to get a percentage back. Oh, it's not the it's
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not the worst idea on the planet. Okay, this just in Bravo.
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Dockett has it posted, has a billboard posted. I think it's a different
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billboard, Emily, okay, And it's got Joe on it partner not attorney.
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And then it says to the top car accident, forget about it ten
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ten times law dot com, schedule you off for you consultation with an attorney
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Joe at tenxlaw dot com. And there's like a car two cars crashing and
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I can't read the parenthetical the bondom but I'm just going to show you this,
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oh no that if you're watching this on Patreon, you can see forget
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about it. Forget about and that's spelled f U H g e T and
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about it is one word. So there you go. Well, I mean
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you can definitely, like I. I one thing that like when I I,
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you know, grew up on the East Coast, but then I moved
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to Chicago and then I live in LA and things that I thought were local
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ads I realized are not. And that and one thing was like Jacoby Myers,
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Stephen L. Miles. Those were like law firms I thought were like
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local to the East Coast, but then I see those commercials everywhere or like
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Empire Carpets. When I live in Chicago, I thought that was like Chicago
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only, and then it's I see those commercials on the East Coast and the
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West coast. Now, well, because they have that you know, local
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commercial vibe, their budgets pretty smart though, it's very Yeah, because you
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think like I'm going to help out this little local law firm with my boutique.
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Yeah, I just lost in there. Yeah. I say, if
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we have the budget for it next year, Emily, you and I,
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we schedule call and we see what we can do. You know, maybe
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they've got some podcast advice for us that we can I don't it says free
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consultation. I don't think we need the budget. Hey, yo, we
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could. We should ask all of our lawyer questions, like about like photo
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laws. Ah, yes, we'll just collect everyone, darlings. We will
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collect your questions for the forget about It Law Firm. I mean it should
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just be called forget about It Law firm. That's got more of a ring,
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but I like that twist. And then we'll see what they come back
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with. Yeah, guys, you said free consultation and I can't forget about
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it. Yeah, I can't wait to get into it. I can't wait
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to get into it. Baybaye. Well that's that's that's all the news.
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I mean, there's really nothing else going on. So haaba dah to that
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hobba dah. Emily, why don't we wrap up this season of Orange County
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by getting into the nitty gritty of Orange County recap? I would love to
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fuck you. Don't don't bring that up. Fuck you Andy, stop it,
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stop it past It's so funny because I was I was dming Andy on
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the day of the reunion, and I was just like, how's the reunion
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is? Tarma past e e s s ed He's like, she's passed,
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so and I was like, well, he's right, I mean she was
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passed. He did not tell me that she yelled at him. But you
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know a lot of people are making jokes like you know, well she's gonna
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be friend of next year, and uh, you know it just made me
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think like, no, I absolutely don't think. So. I also think
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Andy can completely handle it and is just like par for the course. And
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and you know they're going to be taking that clip and throwing it right into
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a montage where Andy gets read by the housewives, which is like being thrown
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out of the chair by Teresa. And now we add in and Carol,
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you know, saying stuff to him. Yeah, what are some other moments?
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I'm trying to think, Well, I'm sure there are, but then
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add this to the add this to the bank. Yeah, I think he
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kind of it seems like he was just he just knew it was a great
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moment. That's all. He didn't give two shits. He doesn't give two
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ships. But I will say, I mean Demra damn, Like she can't
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even get called out by the boss. You know, she can't said to
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take it, which I thought, like you you you disagree, But there
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was something in her face that was like I am going to lean in right
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now because this is gonna be some This will like I'm gonna There was something
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about the moment that I don't I'm not saying that it was like planned to
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rehearse, but I think Tamra she's a professional. Ye. She knows where
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to EBB and flow, she knows where you go. Yeah, And if
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she was really like like gonna rip Andy to shreds, I don't think she's
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going to do that. I think she just wanted to. I think she
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was like, you know what, I'm not gonna let this go m you
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know, because she won't answer to anybody. Though on this reunion about having
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a double standard and the gang up on Heather again was insane, Like it
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was more clear in this second reunion than it was almost all season, and
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I saw Andy coming in, which I appreciate. When this happens, he
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does need to stand up and say kind of feels like one person is getting
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all the heat anybody else seeing that, and so for him to be shut
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down by you know, like the popular cheerleader is just, you know,
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we're just still not getting it. We're not getting there, which is annoying
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to me. I feel like Tamra got it in some way. I feel
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like Emily will never get it. Emily was like just I was really hoping
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Emily would come into this reunion having seen everything and then be like, oh
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wow, like we really misread the situation. But Emily really hangs her hat
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on that snuffle up against comment. I think that really hurt her and so
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from and that's fair, No, absolutely, I just think that she can't
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get past that, and so she's justifying everything based on that, Like justifying
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I'm okay with that, and her justifying that as long as she comes for
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Tamra at some point, and she never did, and that's what kisses me
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off. I'm pasted about it because they never had an exchange, and there
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were a couple of things that were mentioned, and I agree that, I
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mean, I agree to some level that Tamra well when Heather mentioned she was
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like, let me remind you, you were saying horrible things, and that
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text wage to me, we're about Emily, And then I said this,
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you know, and and then Tarmah backs up by saying, why are you
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bringing that up now? Because her and I are in a good place.
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Don't do that. It's like, oh my god, we're literally rehashing everything.
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That's what a reunion is. But she can get out of stuff so
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easily because she freaking knows what she's doing. But that to that point,
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Emily never you know, she doesn't want to backtrack either. She wants to
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move forward. But then we never end up sifting through the issues that Tama
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and Emily had in order to come full circle. And that was missing this
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whole time, and it lacked the balance of, you know, spreading out
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the feuds between the ladies. Because we have Gina and Shannon, we have
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Tamra and Heather, we have Emily and Heather, we have who else against
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Heather. You know, everybody was there at some point. It just needed
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to be a little more balanced. And that's what annoyed me. Yeah,
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I don't think that Heather's ever going to get messy enough for Emily to see
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it as a vulnerability and come around to Heather. Like Heather's got her walls
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up always, She's just not gonna show that vulnerability, whereas Tamara gets messy
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and is very vulnerable and has like, you know, moments of life that
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are pretty low status, and Heather just doesn't have those. And I think
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Emily is not. She just can't get there with Heather because because she's annoyed
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by that. And I feel that because there are many times where I want
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Heather to be like I just want to be like, loosen up, like
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you have to be somehow a little more I don't know, relatable, not
27:42
necessarily to us, but to the people on the couches with you. They're
27:45
not vibing with you on some level, and she doesn't know how to change
27:49
that. She just being herself. But that's just not Emily's not vibing with
27:55
that, and so that's why she's not giving away. And I think in
27:59
her way, she's trying to push Heather to get there, which I appreciate
28:03
because in order to get great moments out of Housewives, you need someone who's
28:08
going to be the provocateur, and Emily was not. She was a dog
28:14
with a bone. She wasn't going to let that go. But she didn't
28:17
get any juice out of that orange. And unfortunately, I don't think you
28:22
will with Heather, like because this was the season to do it. She
28:26
was constantly backed into a corner. She never cried, she never lost her
28:32
temper. She cried that finally when she was but she was talking to Terry
28:38
on the phone about it when they were like on the last Girl's Trip,
28:44
because she finally just like walked away and she's like, I'm done, I'm
28:45
done with the all show. But that was on a phone call, not
28:49
with the girls, right, So it's you know, and not to pick.
28:55
I mean, we can pick because it was such a great season.
28:57
So we're just we're left with doing, you know, just the nitty gritty
29:03
of trying to figure out how it could be even better. I mean it
29:06
was great, but you know, I would like to see more sides of
29:11
Heather. But maybe this just is what and who she is, which is
29:15
that she is pretty unwavering and that's frustrating for I think for the ladies and
29:22
also of viewers on some level. Yeah, well, I guess like people
29:27
need to see the explosion and they're just expecting. At some point it was
29:33
if you're if you're not going to get the explosion this season, it's just
29:37
not going to happen from Heather. No, So I don't It's not like
29:41
I don't I need her on this show for other reasons. I don't need
29:45
her to be a second camera normally, And I think maybe that's what they're
29:49
expecting. And to quote, uh, you know Shannon and Gina, and
29:55
Gina's like, I'm on a show to give my opinion and to tell you
29:57
how I feel. And then Shannon's like, I'm here to be Shannon storms
30:03
but door and it's like, yes, you are all right, And Heather
30:08
is there to be Heather dubro, Yes, d Emily is there to be
30:15
Emily Simpson. You know, Tamra's there to be passed. It's everyone is
30:18
there for a reason, and I think that's that's hard to accept when you're
30:26
in it as a cast member. I can imagine that would be very difficult
30:30
because now you're getting into, i mean, for lack of better words,
30:33
a pissing contest towards the end, when Shannon's like, I've shown my body
30:37
when I gained weight, I've shown things about my marriage and the custody,
30:41
and then Emily's like, we have too, like we all have well,
30:47
and so it's kind of like I am getting that. I understand that,
30:52
and Emily going against Shannon is great as well, holding her accountable for like
30:57
we're all doing our job here, you know. Yeah, I will say
31:03
that this is that moment of the reunion, you know, when when we
31:08
know the outcome of Shannon was hard to watch, Oh my god, because
31:15
it was quasi intervention and you're hearing all the Shannon excuses and they really don't
31:22
have like the any kind of hard truth to point to. But as an
31:26
audience where like, oh it's coming and all of you are correct, I
31:30
know. I mean, Gina just honed right in like a laser and she
31:37
was like, I mean, you don't want to take a look at that,
31:40
you know, and Shannon's say I don't you know, and then you
31:44
know, the editing of going right from you know, I'm here to be
31:48
Shannon storms Badoor and Gina saying like you don't want to take a look at
31:52
that to cut away to the text on the screen if you or any of
31:56
your family members or friends are struggling with alcohol or drug. I mean that
32:02
was I wouldn't be able to watch it. If I were Shannon, I
32:06
would be like, oh my god, Shannon was Also there was really nothing
32:10
about the news story today, but it just that she was seen out in
32:15
her cast. Honestly, she looked great. I thought, yeah, she
32:19
looked really She wasn't wearing any makeup, she was just in sweatpants, but
32:22
I thought she looked really good. Yeah. I think the other part of
32:28
the Shannon this season of Shannon and the past couple, I really think that
32:36
between the divorce and her kids moving out, getting to the point where her
32:40
kids are moving out, I don't I think, yes, maybe John was
32:44
a distraction, but I don't think he's Like, I don't know how much
32:47
of this we can actually blame on John. I think this is a lot
32:51
of just Shannon going through some really hard stages of just off and like John's
33:01
just the new thing to see in this moment, but really it's like,
33:06
oh, you're going through it? Is that job really well? I think
33:15
Shannon has been in a stage of life for a very long time that has
33:22
not let up and has been very challenging. I think that the relationship with
33:25
John has been her relief, but you wouldn't really know it from the way
33:31
that she talks, because like she is basically pouring her heart out, saying
33:37
that she's never been in love with anyone this much before, and so that's
33:40
why these fights are so paralyzing. And we find out that they get into
33:45
fights and then like he ghosts her and doesn't talk to her for days,
33:50
and then she's just paralyzed about it, and that's why it bothers her so
33:53
much. But when she got on abstraction, that is that's such a huge
33:59
distraction to be all in your brain wrapped up and like is he gonna call?
34:05
Why hasn't he texted back? Oh he posted a picture? Oh he
34:09
just to be like I know he's around, is he thinking about like Shannon?
34:14
Like like this is all a distraction to like not doing you know,
34:20
some of the harder work on yourself to get out of it right. And
34:24
I mean at the end of the day, you can understand on a human
34:28
level when she hears her daughter say when they're at school, you know,
34:32
mom, if you you know, just don't be alone. If there's somebody
34:36
who can go out to dinner with, go out to dinner, and we
34:37
don't want to be alone. And so you know, John can be her
34:40
crutch. And it's hard to judge that because nobody wants to be alone and
34:46
no one wants to pain. Sure, but I think at that point you
34:52
maybe need to be talking to somebody as a spiritual healer. I think at
34:57
that point you need to maybe be talking to like some science based psychological help
35:04
doctor Moon. No, talk to doctor Moon. That's great, Catelanic.
35:10
It did not dawn on me. The name of that product is it's called
35:14
a sitalonic. Is that what it's called. I thought I got that.
35:20
I know I didn't hear it, but that's great. I heard it for
35:22
the first time in like the manta in the package, you know, yeah,
35:27
and I was like, wait, are they calling it a sitalonic?
35:34
I mean we were working on home Alonic or Archielanic and Moon Alanic. But
35:40
we just thought, well, you're sitting down, you're at home. So
35:47
I'm gonna say I have a theory, and that is that Shannon's been running
35:52
from something since before she started even doing the show. The David marriage implosion
35:59
was as a escape from that. Raising her kids and everything she did was
36:07
awesome, but it was an escape. All these things are leaving and she's
36:13
filling her time with these weird, h spiritual crystal healings, like just do
36:20
the work, Shannon. Yeah, you can do all that other stuff too,
36:25
but you gotta do the work. What is it? What is going
36:28
on? Well, and it sounds like maybe this is the time. Yeah.
36:34
What's wild is on the cards that you know, the title cards that
36:37
they put up about this was ten days before film, ten days before her
36:43
d UI. They don't even mention hit and run, you know in there,
36:46
which is a huge deal, right, you know, they're only saying
36:52
do U I on those title cards, which and it's not that I'm trying
36:55
to you know, bash her over the head for all of it, but
36:59
one or the other is rough alone. But to have both and anyway,
37:05
that being said, Shannon's season of her kids going away is so difficult in
37:13
light of what she had to go through with David and the divorce, And
37:16
I just I thought that at some point she would level out in the happiness
37:22
area with John and that that would really fulfill her to the degree in which
37:29
she would be able to, you know, not be able to say at
37:31
a reunion, I'm going through a lot. You know, that this would
37:36
be a season where she would say, you know, this is challenging,
37:39
but I've never been happier in my relationship. But it was so heartbreaking to
37:45
see her cry and open up about how, you know, they do have
37:49
problems, but that they crush her. And the other thing that we found
37:53
out was that he filmed with her saying, you know, I want to
37:57
take this to the next step, and then a week after they wrapped filming,
38:00
he broke up with her. And then now with her looking back,
38:04
did she see the signs that he was not really you know, engaged.
38:07
Yes, And she feels embarrassed and humiliated, and you're just like, I
38:12
don't want to gang up on this person, you know what I mean,
38:14
You feel so terrible, you don't need to gang up on her. On
38:17
those points because she actually sees and gets that. It would be one thing
38:24
if she was like, no, we were so happy, there's no reason
38:28
to point out like because she said it better than anybody else, Like I
38:31
watched it back and he's really not there, meant like he's super checked out,
38:36
and she I was impressed that she could even see that, honestly.
38:42
So she just can't get ahead of it, you know, Yeah, she's
38:45
I feel her struggle in that, you know, she's it's like she's hanging
38:52
onto that house boat, you know, and the houseboat is a moveing,
38:54
but she can't get a board, and like it speeds up and she doesn't
39:00
have a chance. So she's just holding out of that houseboat. And then
39:02
it slows down and she tries to start climbing in and she's starting to get
39:07
on that houseboat and get centered and she's but she's still stopping wet, she's
39:10
not dry, and then all of a sudden, the thing picks up speed
39:14
and she falls overboard again. It's just like, when are we gonna get
39:19
I want her to be solid and happy, and I only can pray that
39:25
that happens next season, and I don't hope. I don't want John to
39:30
be her crutch anymore. I don't want her on the show. She needs
39:32
a time out. I love her, and that's why I'm saying, Matt,
39:37
I know I love her so much, but I don't want the time
39:39
out because I need to be with her when she's going there. But we've
39:45
gone to be with I was just like, if you went back and watched
39:51
all the reunions with Shannon, I think she's had She has said this has
39:55
been the hardest year ever for me. Every I know, I know every
40:00
year she's going through something. Yeah, and it's legit. I'm not saying
40:06
she's making it up or exaggerating. I'm just saying like I think it probably
40:08
is. And I think, like you know, whatever is in her history
40:15
or however she processes, whatever her cognitive tools are, they are not working.
40:22
So I do think a soft pause would really help her. And I
40:29
know she needs the show financially, she basically says it in so many ways
40:35
every episode. But I think that just a soft pause would help her take
40:43
some time to get it together for herself, and then she could come back
40:45
stronger than ever. And if Tamer or Vicky are on the show, Shannon's
40:51
gonna have appearances, just like, let her figure out how to socialize and
40:58
be Shannon without the booze, right, I don't know. I mean,
41:01
the John Jansen effect is tough because she really really loves him. She really
41:10
really really loves him. And now let me ask you this, what did
41:14
you think about? This is wild? This was a new piece of information
41:17
that we got from the season. I mean this this reunion, which was
41:23
Emily brought it up again, you know, sooth sayer. She she brings
41:29
up the truth and she says, the reason why this all came out is
41:31
because when cameras went down, you know, Heather said to production, when
41:38
are you going to get their real relationship on camera? And that's why we
41:45
now know because obviously Shannon found that out and why Shannon was going so hard
41:51
for Heather. Right, So, but we didn't know that, and that's
41:54
what's tricky about these situations. We didn't have all the information. And so
42:00
there we have it, and and Heather was like, yeah, I did
42:04
you know? I mean so, and that's when Shannon's argument is, I've
42:09
given everything. Can you just lay off for one second? What are your
42:15
thoughts on that? Well? I know We've said it before, but like
42:22
there has never been a season of any of these shows where the fourth wall
42:27
has just it's gone. And in this reunion too, it's like they're all
42:31
talking about cast members and contracts and being on the show and it's great to
42:37
be back on the show and that too, Like you know, we see
42:42
Shannon several times a season running over and talking to producers on camera, and
42:47
I was like, of all the seasons, I guess cameras were totally down,
42:52
but like to have a moment that hinged on a conversation that Heather had
42:58
with producers, Like I, I don't. I was surprised that we didn't
43:02
see that, and I was surprised that, like we saw everything else going
43:07
on behind the scenes and being talked about, like this show really felt like
43:13
we're not just behind the gates or behind the cameras. We're like seeing everything
43:15
this year in the gates, behind the cameras, behind the gates of the
43:20
cameras, behind the cameras of the gates. Yeah. I was glad that
43:23
Emily brought that up because that makes sense as to why, you know,
43:30
there was so much kerfuffle and why, uh, you know why Emily and
43:37
Gina may have been coming or at least emily coming hard for Heather and saying
43:42
that she said something negative about she like there were I can't justify that,
43:46
but comfortable saying that to the producers. Then you know they're all talking shit
43:52
to the producers. They're all like, get this. Yeah, that's what
43:55
Heather kept saying the exactly time. Yeah, it wasn't just me. It
44:00
wasn't just me, it was everyone. We were all talking. We were
44:02
all talking, and everybody does that across the board on all of it,
44:07
because that you think the producers like know to ask certain questions in an interview,
44:14
like no, they know to ask certain questions in someone's confessional because another
44:19
cast member is in their ear about it and they're like, oh, well,
44:22
why did you say X to Y? And they're like, I don't
44:27
know. Are you sure you don't know? Because you know, like that
44:30
that's what the show is. I mean, the producers are all really good,
44:34
but they get their intel. They befriend the cast, and they like
44:37
get in the mix. And then if they show how difficult this season was
44:42
with the crossing the lines of being on a show and being friends, because
44:46
we had people bringing that point up several different times, like for example,
44:52
Shannon, Well, Heather immediately said she regretted saying anything to Gina and Emily
45:00
at Bravo con about what Tamer said. She immediately she was like, I
45:05
stupidly said that because I was hoping or thinking that we could have a real
45:09
conversation like friends that didn't involve bringing you know, production into it or bringing
45:15
the show into it like she has seen Emily and Gina do. So that
45:20
to me was Heather's attempt to kind of ally form an ally ship with Gina
45:25
and Emily and kind of be like, hey, let's take this off camera,
45:30
let's have our own thing. Let's that was her testing the limits and
45:34
it didn't work, And so now she was exposed for that because then Emily
45:37
brought it up right, and then that made Heather the target. So Heather
45:43
was regretting that. And then you've got this whole other thing, which is
45:45
that Shannon is bringing up how Heather and John Jansen and Terry and they were
45:52
all hanging out before they started shooting and they were building up this friendship.
45:58
So Shannon was like, I was just surprise it after we were trying to
46:00
build something up that you soon quickly were saying this, like, so she
46:05
was hurt because then what they were building off camera exploded on the show.
46:09
And then you have Gina being like, we're on a show, what do
46:12
you expect us to do? And then Emily jumping in on saying like,
46:15
it's an impossible task to expect us to not bring up what you're actually saying
46:22
to every cast member by drunk dialing them and then explaining this, how are
46:25
we to not bring this up? So is it's kind of like it's that
46:31
emoji where the brain is exploding, because it's an impossible task to be on
46:37
a reality show form friendships ally ships, not expose people, expose people for
46:44
the storyline. It seems so complicated at this point. And this is a
46:47
perfect example. Was this season on Orange County and Jen said the most prolific
46:52
thing I wish that I could show. Oh yeah, crickets, I thought
46:59
were to say. She was like, I wish I could understand what was
47:01
going on. Actually, yeah, it was pretty profound nothing this episode.
47:08
But she's right, like, I don't know what's happening. I mean,
47:13
Andy was like Jen, and he thought, She's like, I just wish
47:15
that I knew what was going on. Quite frankly, there was a moment
47:21
where enough it had had happened off camera with production that they were all screaming
47:25
and yelling about I zoned out, like I was just like I couldn't telling
47:31
a cohesive story right now. I don't care. It was very confusing,
47:37
Yeah, yeah, because then we have the whole mix up about who who
47:42
said they were losers, and and that went all the way back to again
47:46
when they weren't filming and Tarmra and other were talking on the phone and this
47:52
was like two years ago, and Tarmra was like, don't you why are
47:57
you saying that you want Alexis back in the show? Du John, don't
48:00
you want what SPECVA show? And Heather's like, what do you want me
48:02
to do? I'm, you know, I'm dealing with what they're giving me
48:07
to work with. And then Tamera paraphrases by saying that she called them losers,
48:12
you know, which she kind of did. I mean, essentially she
48:15
did say like, I'm I'm working with what they're given me, which is
48:19
like not much. So then we're dealing with a whole other scenario that was
48:24
from years ago, not even Bravocan you know, so the semantics, yes,
48:30
and the vibe, it's just a whole new vibe that I'm okay for.
48:36
I'm willing to see how it works on the OC with like veteran Housewives
48:43
kind of thing. Yeah, I don't really want to see the fourth wall
48:46
coming down totally in every other city. Like I'm kind of interested in it
48:52
with people that will super lean in, like I like a Tamera in that
48:58
situation or Shannon. But I don't want to see anybody that's a little afraid
49:04
to tear it down, Like I don't think anybody at the New Rony cast.
49:07
I don't want to see them do this. No, that would not
49:09
be compelling to me at all. You also have to have several seasons under
49:15
your belt to be able to keep up with the feel that comfortable, yeah,
49:20
and to also feel that comfortable walking over to the production and be like
49:22
what the hell I'm not talking and you're like just like leaning into them right,
49:27
like, because you're denying every rule that is set up in terms of
49:32
the idea the biodome of the show, Like there is no there aren't any
49:37
cameras, you're not miked, what are you talking? About it's getting really
49:42
exhausting to follow. I mean, these storylines are not like days of your
49:46
you know, they are not the ones that are simple, cut and dry
49:51
before social media, before we were dropping the fourth wall. But it's impossible
49:57
to not drop the fourth wall at everybody's got podcast. Everybody's saying shit on
50:01
their podcasts. They don't live in a vacuum, so they've gotta I get.
50:07
I get why we're evolving to this place. I just I wouldn't be
50:13
in good hands as we am as we evolve, And I'm saying, oh
50:15
see, I feel like I'm in good hands. If we're gonna start doing
50:19
it, that's great. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Oh my gosh,
50:25
I'm trying to look at my notes. I have a lot. But
50:30
you know, at some point I just was like, I just need to
50:34
keep watching this and let it. I was really like thrown by Tamra's like
50:40
Tamrah loving Heather at the end. It was so weird to me, Oh
50:45
my god. And then I think she must have I think maybe she had
50:47
a sidebar with Jen, because then I see some controversy after the fact that
50:52
maybe Tamara and Jen are not on good terms now. But but the whole
50:58
thing with Heather. I was like, Tamra, why I've been like when
51:00
She's like, I've been your closest friend. We've been so close for all
51:05
this time while she was crying, She's so good at like and that was
51:08
right after she ripped Andy a new one, you know, and I think
51:12
she just was she was full of emotion and she knows how to bring it.
51:14
But and she uh, Heather was like, Tamra, I never said
51:22
Emily should be fired. And then she went into the whole thing about what
51:27
Tamra actually said about Emily, and then she went on Watch What Happens Live
51:30
and did a one eighty and then, like you said, she did kind
51:35
of a one eighty. And Heather is willing to accept it because I think
51:37
she knows that Tamra is one of those housewives or people that can say fuck
51:44
you, fuck you, your piece of shit, and then in a week
51:47
she'll be like, I just love you. We've had so much together,
51:51
like when you came to cut fit nets the one time and it was like
51:54
so beautiful and like you remember my birthdays an anniversaries, like I think you
51:59
know, so they can bounce back from that, yeah, but the crime.
52:02
It's so funny. Heather called her house her housewife maker and like she's
52:07
always loyal to Tamara. That was like so dark but pretty cool and yeah,
52:14
and also that she's you know, she never goes against her because she's
52:17
scared of her. I don't know what Heather's afraid of with Tamara. I
52:22
guess it's just that she's very volatile and on camera she maybe knows a lot
52:27
about Heather, but I don't. I feel like, if there's something to
52:30
know about Heather, it can't be that bad and we probably already know it.
52:35
But Heather probably is like uncomfortable. But I don't know, Oh my
52:42
god, what else? What else? Oh? Oh? I was just
52:49
gonna say, Tamar does that weird campaign thing at the end to like stay
52:53
on the show if you'll have me back? Yeah, because I just called
52:58
you an asshole and fuck you Andy. Yeah. I don't know. It's
53:07
just weird to see someone vying for a contract at the end of a reunion.
53:12
I just felt bad for her. I get that she felt that she
53:15
needed to show gratitude, but it just was like, you're better than this,
53:20
Tamra, don't do this right now, Like you're on don't worry about
53:23
it. It felt like she was like, did I do good enough?
53:28
Like I was really happy to be back. Do you think I could be
53:30
back well? That was one question that Heather posed to Tama, which was,
53:36
I didn't understand why you were so angry this season because everything in your
53:39
life is going so well. You have such a happy marriage, everyone's you
53:44
know, healthy, your businesses is your businesses are doing great. You know,
53:46
you're essentially you're back on the show, Like why were you coming in
53:50
with such vengeance? And Tamra's reaction to that is she didn't really know her
53:55
place in terms of how she fit back into the show, and that being
54:00
catapulted out and then being you know, shot out of a cannon back in.
54:02
I think that she was just worried if she would do a good job,
54:06
so she leaned into that to give it her all. And then and
54:10
then she also says she was drinking a lot during the time and she felt
54:16
alienated from the group and I was like, no, you didn't know you
54:20
were fine? He didn't you barely drank, I know. Then they all
54:25
say what they will miss about the show, and essentially they resolved pretty much
54:31
everything I mean, and then they're going out to dinner after, which is
54:36
talk about, you know, having seasons and so many different ways. I
54:39
mean Beverly Hills, remember, I mean like with Kathy, I mean they
54:44
just all Kyle could barely come back on the set for a picture and toast.
54:52
So it just it's it's depends. But I'm happy that they all feel
54:57
somewhat connected and they're so cohesive and they can work out, and I just
55:00
I love the cast. I think it was a great season, hard to
55:02
follow at times. Not the drama that happened wasn't really that in depth,
55:08
but they somehow made it into something which says a lot about being a housewife.
55:15
And now moving forward, I'm glad that Shannon somewhat apologized to Gina.
55:23
How do you didn't think that she apologized, But it did sound like she
55:28
apologized by about the CPS thing, meaning that she was saying, like,
55:31
I didn't mean that they were going to take your kids away from you,
55:35
you know, forever. It was just that if no one was there to
55:38
get them, if you were arrested, that they would be taken to CPS
55:43
temporarily until you know. She clarified her point, but it still stings when
55:47
you say that over and over again in that you know, when you say
55:50
the word CPS and your children. So you know, Gina is still I
55:53
don't think she'll be able to bounce back from it. There are times when
55:58
I feel like a housewife needs to get up off of a couch and walk
56:01
over to the other side and sit with them and hug them. And that
56:05
was one of those times that Shannon should have done that, and she didn't
56:07
do it. And that's why I think Gina was left feeling disappointed with her
56:13
apology. Well, Shannon's not there because I mean it's like I think,
56:19
I think Shannon knows that Gina's points are all valid about what Shannon was currently
56:24
in the throes of and so I don't I just don't think Shannon could have
56:31
to go over and hug Gina would be then to embrace. Also, everything
56:36
that Gina's saying about Shannon's alcoholism, that's true. That's true. Yeah,
56:44
because Gina did bring up, well, both Gina and Heather calling her out
56:52
for like, well, you're drinking and you're calling some of us and and
56:55
Shannon is just mad at everybody for you to say I need rehab to Gina,
57:00
you know, for you to paint a picture that I call people and
57:01
Emily for you to paint, you know, saying I need a breathalyzer on
57:05
my phone, like Shannon is just full in defense mode, and then saying
57:10
like you don't know anything about my personal life in depth, and her continuing
57:16
to reiterate to Gina that she doesn't like her was rough because I just didn't
57:22
see it as that deep. I really did think that they were going to
57:25
be able to, you know, come back from this on some level.
57:29
And I can't believe they're all going out to eat because the obviously the relationship
57:34
that's the most burned up is Shannon and Gina at this point. Well,
57:38
I and I say, if if Shannon does come back on the show or
57:43
if she doesn't, my hunch is that Gina's going to become Shannon's best friend
57:47
and if Shannon decides to get sober, because no one will get her world
57:52
more than Gina. Yeah, in terms of going through a divorce, having
57:59
kids, being on a reality show, having a very public intoxication issue,
58:07
like Gina checks every box of someone that could really be there for Shannon,
58:13
and also like you know, Shannon's got a lot of time on her hands.
58:15
Gina might need some help with the kids. It might be kind of
58:19
a nice thing for Shannon. Like, I just think that that would be
58:21
a really good thing for Shannon if I would love that. Yeah, So
58:25
that would be my hope coming out of that the Reality Bites Live event that
58:30
we had with Emily and Gina as our guests at the cocktail party. You
58:36
know, from what I gathered, it sounded like she and Shannon are doing
58:40
okay right now. I would think, so, I'm really you know,
58:46
Gina, Gina's Gina to me reads is someone that like has a good heart
58:57
and is like, what are you n I got your back? What do
59:00
you need? Yeah, you were an asshole to me. Yeah, but
59:01
I got your back. I get it. She's not going to stick it
59:05
to her right. How about this got me. I could not believe this
59:09
that we found out from Tamera that but Kevin the guy on the boat the
59:15
yes, which was Shane's cousin from Jeff Lewis Live. I mean, the
59:20
chance, I could not believe that. The chances of that are wild.
59:23
Shout out Chane in the middle of nowhere, Like, how is that even
59:30
also that he didn't mention it is kind of wild to me, like right,
59:36
like, yeah, you could have the rafting guy. That's the word.
59:38
Yeah, the word. Yeah. Oh my god. So, by
59:44
the way, this is a total left turn. But we didn't talk about
59:49
on house Wives Salt Lake City Heather just grabbing snow from the ground and eating
59:55
it. Well, we'll put it in there hot coco. When she was
1:00:00
talking at the ski slope with Whitney and they're just sitting there on the bench
1:00:06
and she just reaches down and picks snow up and starts eating it. See
1:00:10
that. I saw her put it in her Girl's hot chocolate and that ski
1:00:14
date. But wow, okay, I mean I was willing to with a
1:00:17
hot chocolate. Think maybe she pulled it from an area where people aren't directly
1:00:22
walking on with their boots, but she just yeah, snow here we go.
1:00:29
So when they have their reunion, I think it should be some kind
1:00:31
of cocktail with a big snowball in it for Heather. Yeah the cheers,
1:00:37
Oh my god. I love that. Stuart and I made a frozen like
1:00:45
blue frozen drink in honor of you know what. I M call it Salt
1:00:51
Lake City and I'm you're going to say Atlanta for their reunion. Look was
1:00:57
this prior to their Oh? Because the Blue No, we didn't like a
1:01:00
year ago when we were when our book was coming out Cooke, Its sure,
1:01:04
and Salt Lake City is not in the book because they were not on
1:01:07
when we were writing the book, but they were on when we were promoting
1:01:10
the book. So we came up with two recipes that honored them. We
1:01:15
put it in a little like pamphlet inside of the book, and I can't
1:01:20
remember. I think we made it like a little like a snowflake garnish or
1:01:23
something on it, but it was I can't remember the name of it.
1:01:27
Shit, But anyway, it was like a Salt Lake City, you know,
1:01:30
icy drink and the garnish was a snowflake and it was really cool.
1:01:37
So and much like our cotton candy cocktailor for Taylor, we had that drink
1:01:43
with some cotton candy on the side, you know, or on it,
1:01:47
and that's because Taylor eats the cotton candy. So these are just things that
1:01:52
you're gonna find, you know, over on a cooked spill it. Throw
1:01:54
it the book, So check it out, available anywhere you get your books.
1:01:59
Check it out and buy it and buy your cart and then close the
1:02:01
deal. What do you think about I mean, they had an ice hole
1:02:06
in the Salt Lake City one, and if they just had sand at this
1:02:08
Orange County one. To your point, they should have snow and Heather can
1:02:14
just scoop it up and shove it in her mouth. They probably that has
1:02:19
to happen. Just a bucket of snow next to the but just real snow
1:02:22
for Heather, but then like the fake snow for everywhere else. And I
1:02:27
am all about eating snow, but it's got to be like fresh and not
1:02:30
where people are walking. Yes, I would like to know where Heather did
1:02:35
dip that mitten into because you'll watch it and you'll think like it's so casual.
1:02:42
It's just so like as matter of fact his side and Whitney doesn't say
1:02:45
anything. It's just like that dog pissed and that puss. But it's more
1:02:53
like just you know, if you got the bathroom sorry, tickets Dot and
1:03:01
the jazz tekeets, there's just tickets and that snow. I don't know how
1:03:07
to got that. That's just tickets. Anyway, I broke up your point.
1:03:14
Oh, there's really no point you wear those boots in the bathroom.
1:03:16
Yeah, unhook on me. You're kind of like, yeah, you know
1:03:20
what I mean. Yeah, snow, snow, long do go up where
1:03:24
there's no Well, Emily, what a way to put Orange County to sleep?
1:03:34
All right, but great season, great ladies, great bunch, and
1:03:42
looking forward to having them all back next season. Don't change a thing,
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right, I think I mentioned a few things that would change A soft pause.
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Oh I'm sorry, right, okay, don't change a thing and tomorrow.
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