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83 | Name, Image, and Likeness · Sermons on the Side

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sermons on the Side.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Brad.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm Richard.
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SPEAKER_00: And life can move pretty fast.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're here to slow down, dig deep, and find the story hidden in everyday moments.
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SPEAKER_02: With years spent in ministry, friendship, and navigating real life together, we're all about blending humor, honesty, and faith into conversations that meet you right where you are.
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SPEAKER_00: So whether you're brand new or you're back for more, we are so glad you are here.
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SPEAKER_02: So relax, listen in, and let's discover meaning together.
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SPEAKER_00: In the ordinary, the messy, and everything in between.
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SPEAKER_02: Sermons on the side.
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SPEAKER_02: Finding meaning in the everyday.
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SPEAKER_02: For the jersey I bought for Bryce, how many did he how many dollars did he see?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, Alabama was paying players before it was.
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SPEAKER_03: Didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_03: Didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_03: In theory.
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SPEAKER_00: So waste this is a video podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Because we made the exact same things.
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SPEAKER_00: He didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_02: Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it's Sermons on the side day.
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SPEAKER_02: Woo! Come on.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, I had I I watched a show one time where the uh comedian, instead of saying, ladies and gentlemen, he said ladles and jelly spoons.
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SPEAKER_02: Why does that stick in my mind?
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SPEAKER_02: That's kind of Hello, ladles and jelly spoons?
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SPEAKER_02: That's that's that the worst and welcome to the world.
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SPEAKER_02: We're keeping it.
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SPEAKER_00: We're keeping it.
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SPEAKER_00: We just move forward.
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SPEAKER_00: Ladles and jelly spoons and all.
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SPEAKER_00: That was awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, we are here again on yet another drop day Thursday, Sermons on the Side Day, and we are loving it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the most wonderful time of the year.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_00: Because college football is back.
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SPEAKER_00: That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
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SPEAKER_00: It's back.
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SPEAKER_00: Your favorite football team is playing this current weekend.
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SPEAKER_02: Everybody who is somebody is playing.
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SPEAKER_00: And everybody who ain't somebody.
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SPEAKER_02: Speaking of which, how you feel how you like my hat?
2:38
SPEAKER_02: You feeling my hat?
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Hey, I wasn't gonna say, but since you went there, your Mississippi State Bulldogs, lowercase bulldogs, by the way.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: We are projected to win three, maybe four games uh this year.
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SPEAKER_00: None of them are gonna be a conference game.
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SPEAKER_02: No, no, we're talking about uh Southwest, you know, Paducah, Kentucky University.
3:03
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: You're repping the school pride, and I appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: Always.
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SPEAKER_02: How how are you feeling about them Harry Dogs, them Georgia Bulldogs?
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SPEAKER_00: I feel good, man.
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SPEAKER_00: It's you know, this the era of college football that we're in with the transfer portal, with NIL, everything I just feel like is just such a coin toss, and then week one happens, and then it's like, all right, let's get going.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I'm just excited to see them dog in between them hedges.
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SPEAKER_02: So they uh now, as somebody that wasn't from Georgia, but uh when when I came here, I started learning about the great Larry Munson was his name, the the famous announcer that did all the the Georgia Bulldog football games, and oh, it's just some classic calls, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep, with that you guys just need to look that up, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: Larry Munson famous calls.
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SPEAKER_02: But I I I didn't know that he had the habit of calling the dogs the silver britches.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep, because the silver pants.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right, here come the silver britches.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, that is so cool.
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SPEAKER_02: But I I'm I'm happy for you.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm happy my wife, my dear wife, is a Georgia Bulldog girl.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, I knew there was at least one Christian in the family.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, see, see, we're just just uh just a bulldog family, yes, indeed.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, but anyway, welcome to college football.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, I gotta do a throwback uh to last week's episode real quick.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, a couple of things.
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SPEAKER_02: First off, just gotta say, uh, still like humming some of the songs you did at the segment.
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SPEAKER_02: You guys, you're gonna love the segment.
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SPEAKER_02: If you haven't heard last week, episode 82.
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SPEAKER_02: Greatest showman?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Greatest Showman.
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SPEAKER_02: But man, looking at that that song from Greatest Showman, uh, which is uh from now on, and you know, having a a prodigal son vibe.
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SPEAKER_02: Bo.
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SPEAKER_02: Bo?
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SPEAKER_02: Bo.
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SPEAKER_02: No, I wanted to say bro, and then I just fumbled.
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SPEAKER_00: But the college football Bo Jackson that just emerged from you in between Georgia and Mississippi.
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SPEAKER_02: There you go.
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SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I appreciate that.
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SPEAKER_02: I also told a story about my dearly departed Aunt Kat.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, and how she has gone on in to be with the Lord and with her other siblings, my mom included.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh so we were just rejoicing, celebrating, honoring, remembering her life.
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SPEAKER_02: And I just happened to last week tell a story about how she stole a centerpiece from Chick-fil-A.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, that little miniature, succulent, fake plant thing, and just loved it and decided to sneak it in.
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SPEAKER_02: We we get home emptying the bag, see her empty her Chick-fil-A bag, and there it is.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're like, oh no, my my our Aunt Cat has is now a thief.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a fugitive of the law of the Lord's chicken.
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SPEAKER_02: It was a funny story, and a lot of people loved it, and I've heard a lot of great feedback from it.
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SPEAKER_02: I just forgot to mention that the very look, we took the plant back.
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SPEAKER_02: We took the plant back the very next day.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: So, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: You gotta set the story straight, man.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_00: She she was not happy.
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SPEAKER_00: She had a clear conscience when she went to see the Lord.
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SPEAKER_02: She had no We righted that wrong, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I appreciate you sharing that.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, we didn't want, you know, the inventory to be messed up at Chick-fil-A.
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SPEAKER_02: Indeed, indeed.
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SPEAKER_02: Now listen, man, I I'm ready, I'm ready to rock and to roll.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
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SPEAKER_02: For and and to put the pedal to the metal.
6:39
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
6:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's time to wheel in.
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SPEAKER_00: Deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Come on, keep it going.
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SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, we're ready.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, just a few minutes ago, you were talking about college football.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you said a phrase when you're talking about the transfer portal.
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SPEAKER_02: How college football, you're just referring to a lot of the big changes that have taken place in the last five to ten years.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And you mentioned a phrase called NIL.
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SPEAKER_02: Could you tell all our listeners what NIL stands for, please?
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SPEAKER_00: I think with my life on the line, I'm not sure I could do it justice from a comprehensive standpoint.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's an acronym that stands for NAME, image, and likeness.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_00: And it sort of represents this, you know, schools or collectives actually can pay players or that they can sign players to contracts to come play for their school.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of times people you say will say N-I-L when they're referring to just paying players, but it is essentially giving that school the right to market the both the name, the image, and the likeness of said player.
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SPEAKER_00: Of that player.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll give you an example.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, when my son Bryce was in high school, might have even been junior high, which I know is middle school, but get off me.
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SPEAKER_02: So, but he he's always been an Alabama fan, and he wanted for Christmas one day, one day, one one year for Christmas, he wanted uh an Amari Cooper jersey.
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SPEAKER_02: That great wide receiver for the Tide, and he uh also had a really good uh pro football career, Mr.
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SPEAKER_02: Cooper.
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SPEAKER_02: So he he wore number nine.
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SPEAKER_02: So what you do is you order from the Alabama store a jersey with a number nine on it.
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SPEAKER_02: There's not a name on the back, it might have his name on the back, who knows?
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SPEAKER_02: But there you go.
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SPEAKER_02: So, as a fan of Amari Cooper, now my son was walking around with the number nine Crimson Tide jersey on it.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, let me ask you this: for all the hard work and effort that Amari Cooper put into being a good wide receiver and winning games for the Crimson Tide all those years, what kind of a cut did Amari Cooper get for the jersey I bought for Bryce?
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SPEAKER_02: How many did he see?
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SPEAKER_02: How many dollars did he see?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, Alabama was paying players before it was paying.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm having zero dollars.
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SPEAKER_03: Didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_03: Didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_03: In theory.
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SPEAKER_00: So wish this is a video podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Because we made the exact same things.
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SPEAKER_00: He didn't see a dime.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: One day for all the things our listeners miss.
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SPEAKER_02: But um, but anyway, that's an example.
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SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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SPEAKER_02: That, and I have always felt like, even though I'm not crazy about some of the changes that have taken place uh in college football because it's kind of crazy and hard to follow now, I just I never felt great about that.
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SPEAKER_02: That the the school or some sports company or a manufacturer or a video game maker, yeah, they could make money off of what was clearly references to very specific players.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Because they would sometimes use their name or an image being the photo or a video, or the likeness being like a digitally, you know, a computer generated.
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SPEAKER_02: I really thought I could say the word digitally.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw you give up.
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SPEAKER_00: I I visibly saw you just said getting off that word, computer enhanced.
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SPEAKER_00: I said, what are we are we just gonna move past that?
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SPEAKER_02: Digitally generated.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what I was trying to say.
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SPEAKER_02: Look, I'm a trained speaker, don't try this at home.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and they're like, Who trained you?
10:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh we need to talk to that person.
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SPEAKER_02: That person's out of business, but anyway, people have been making money off of these athletes for 100 years.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And they've been doing it by referencing their name, showing a picture or a video of them, or making some kind of video game or digitally generated.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's why this new thing is called NIL Name, image, likeness.
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SPEAKER_02: You use a guy's name in in the stats or in a video, or you show a picture or a video of him, or you make him into a computer-generated game figure, right?
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SPEAKER_02: That guy's gonna need is gonna get some kind of money from him.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: And so it is that's what name, image, and likeness means.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: Now, that's actually the topic of our of our sermon on the side today.
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SPEAKER_02: Because these guys, as your reference earlier to the name, image, and like the NIL thing, they're getting some dollars now.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, and some of them are getting huge dollars.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, not everybody, but even the guys that aren't getting uh the a ton, you know, guys that might just be offensive linemen or guys that are, you know, not getting all the prime time uh attention, they're still getting a little cut now.
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SPEAKER_04: For sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Which is a good thing, in my opinion.
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SPEAKER_02: More, more, you know, that's the conversation.
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SPEAKER_00: I genuinely, I generally agree with that statement.
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SPEAKER_00: I think there's a bunch of regulations that needs to be implemented, but I generally agree agree.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and so, but then the big names, the quarterbacks, oh yeah, the running backs, the big defensive superstars, literally getting millions of dollars while still at school.
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SPEAKER_00: They're people coming back to college for another year because their contract is more lucrative as the last year of college than it would be their first year in the NFL, which is unheard of.
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SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_02: But it that's the way things are now.
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SPEAKER_02: Name, image, and likeness.
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SPEAKER_02: NIL is producing millions of dollars that are going on a scale to different athletes in college, and so NIL is a big deal.
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SPEAKER_02: And I got to thinking uh when I was I was actually listening to some content put out by a friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_02: His name is Steve Harper.
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SPEAKER_02: He's a minister that lives in the Cleveland, Ohio area.
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SPEAKER_02: I met Steve through uh Michael Warden.
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SPEAKER_02: You remember Michael Warden?
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SPEAKER_02: He was our guest interviewee on episode I think it was 35, the Pearl Song Refounding.
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SPEAKER_02: Boom! Which didn't you just I I just thought that's a four-book series that Michael wrote, a fantasy fiction series with a little of an autobiographical vibe to it and a faith-driven message.
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SPEAKER_02: He wrote all four books.
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SPEAKER_02: I finally finally finished reading them.
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SPEAKER_02: It took me a lot about a year.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a slow read on these things, man.
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SPEAKER_02: But it was amazing.
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SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: So you guys gotta check out episode 35 and check out how you can uh get your hands on those books.
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SPEAKER_02: But Steve is a mutual friend of mine and Michael's.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And Steve talked to us one time in a in a little video session.
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SPEAKER_02: He brought a devotion and he talked about NIL because he's an Ohio State fan, being from Cleveland.
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SPEAKER_02: And bro, I had to wade through a whole lot of buckeyes, gunk in that talk.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, dude, could you get to the point and or at least start talking about the SEC?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, give me a break of Ohio State.
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SPEAKER_00: They win three nattties in a row, and all of a sudden they're the best conference ever.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: Yawn.
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SPEAKER_02: Yo, but anyway, look, this is a sermons on the side bias coming out, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_00: All right, let's lock in.
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SPEAKER_02: But so Steve Harper, man, he he shares and he goes, you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: As followers of Christ, as believers in the God of the Bible, we have been given a beautiful name, NIL deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: We have been given an NIL deal from the Lord our God, taught to us through scriptures, that we carry his name, we bear his image, and we are called to live like him.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh Steve Harper for the win.
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SPEAKER_03: Whoa!
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SPEAKER_02: And I said, I got to bring that to the sermons on the side of listeners.
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unknown: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Name, image, and likeness.
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SPEAKER_02: Man.
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SPEAKER_02: We have, and and that's that's the thing, you know, there's these lucrative deals being doled out to these college football players.
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SPEAKER_02: But check this out, and basketball players too, for the record.
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SPEAKER_02: Check out Ephesians chapter 3, verse 8.
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SPEAKER_02: The very end of that verse, Paul refers to the endless treasures available to us in Christ.
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SPEAKER_02: The endless treasures.
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SPEAKER_02: Bro, the best NIL deal is not in Ohio State, is not down here in Georgia or Miami, God forbid.
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SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying, the best is what God offers to his children by by giving us his name, allowing us to bear his image, and calling us to live like him.
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unknown: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Bro, I got I said, okay, Steve, you done got me started.
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SPEAKER_02: And I I just started digging around.
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SPEAKER_02: I want to throw out a few scriptures to you on all three of those ideas.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Name, image, and likeness.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, give it to me.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm all over the place in my mind because there's so many parallels to our relationship with the Lord, not only in each one of these veins with name, image, and likeness, but also just that.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I want to save that thought for after we go through these three, okay?
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm cooking on something over here.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, good.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
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SPEAKER_02: Hey, and something we're gonna do parallel as we're talking about these three things name, image, and likeness.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're not shy about that here at Sermons on the Side.
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SPEAKER_02: We know that God is for us, but we know we have an enemy that's against us.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: And and Jesus said that the devil, he came to steal, kill, and destroy.
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SPEAKER_02: He's got a plan for us, he's gonna try to enact it.
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SPEAKER_02: And so a lot of times when we see God moving and we see God uh giving us dreams and goals and hopes, the enemy's trying to do the exact opposite.
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SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna kind of contrast that as we go too.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but let's just jump in.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, let's talk about the name.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
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SPEAKER_02: We are given our name, we are we carry God's name as followers of him and as children of him.
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SPEAKER_02: He doesn't, he, he, he, as our heavenly father, we are sons and daughters of him.
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SPEAKER_02: And so we we bear his name, we carry his name.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and and we are we pray in his name, we are baptized in his name, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
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SPEAKER_02: We are given the authority of his name.
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SPEAKER_02: We are given, we are, we represent him.
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SPEAKER_02: We're like emissaries, we're like representatives of the Lord because we bear his name.
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SPEAKER_02: Colossians 3 tells us, verse 17 tells us that whatever we do, we do it all in the name of the Lord.
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SPEAKER_02: In word or deed.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
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SPEAKER_00: In the name of the Lord, our God.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it, man.
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SPEAKER_02: And and that and that the name of Jesus, I mean, there's power in that name.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, there is power in it, even as it relates to spiritual warfare and the works of our enemy.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't come against, or we don't try to stand against the works of our enemy.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't try to stand against the devil in our own name.
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SPEAKER_02: Heaven forbid that.
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SPEAKER_02: In the awesomeness of the name of Rico, devil, leave me alone, please.
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SPEAKER_02: That means nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: My my my given name means nothing.
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SPEAKER_02: The name of Jesus is what matters.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: When I when I clothe myself, as Ephesians 6 tells us, in the armor of God, and I stand against the fiery attacks of our enemy that come up come at us like flaming arrows, but we extinguish it with a shield of faith, and we stand on the word of God, and we are and in the power of the name of Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: The name, baby.
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SPEAKER_02: Talk to me.
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SPEAKER_00: You are cooking right now.
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SPEAKER_00: Keep it going, dude.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, so there's the name.
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SPEAKER_00: So now let's talk about the image.
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SPEAKER_02: Image.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: We are made in his image.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you if you look all the way back in the very beginning of the book of Genesis, when God is created, he said, God created man, humanity, humans in his own image.
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SPEAKER_02: We we bear the image of our creator.
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SPEAKER_02: And I believe that that in that we are to be a reflection of our creator.
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SPEAKER_02: And now, because of the sacrifice of Jesus that forgives us of our sins, cleans us, makes us, gives us right standing before our creator, we're not just creatures he made.
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SPEAKER_02: We are those sons and daughters we talked about.
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SPEAKER_02: Members of his family.
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SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, it's like that.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you saw a picture of me and my dad when he was younger, people are like, yeah.
20:51
SPEAKER_02: The phrase they used to say in Mississippi is you favor your dad a lot.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: You look a lot like him.
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SPEAKER_02: And you look at a picture of my dad in grade school and a picture of my son, sons in grade school, and you're like, there's no denying the entire chain.
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SPEAKER_02: Three generations, we are all, we couldn't get away with not being more.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, we are, because we bear his image.
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SPEAKER_02: We were a reflection.
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SPEAKER_02: We favor each other.
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SPEAKER_02: And we have through faith, the ability and the and the and the hope that we could literally be a reflection where people would say, Wow, you know, you kind of do look a little like the uh the stuff I read about in the Bible.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Some of the some of the characteristics of God I'm seeing in your life.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: And if somebody ever tells us that, it's one of the best compliments we can ever get.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: Sure, of course.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm and I'm thinking also just not only is it a still shot picture of that reflection, but 2 Corinthians 3 18 says we are constantly being transformed into his image with ever increasing.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Glory.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: And so and so this idea that man, hey, as we experience this relationship, as we as we benefit from this glorious NIL deal.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: We are we are be that's that sanctification, big fancy church word for being transformed into his likeness, into his image.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: That is whoa.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Dude, and I want to tell you this.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: I believe that one of the things that the enemy would want to do as we live our lives.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: Now, Jesus, as I said, as I quoted earlier, he says he comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: He wants to snuff out the work of God in our lives.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if he could have his way, he could get rid of us.
22:46
SPEAKER_02: He'd take us out.
22:49
SPEAKER_02: But I I look at it this way: like, like if you view, if you consider us as like our life as we try to follow God, like a portrait.
23:01
SPEAKER_02: And there's a portrait, let's say God painted a portrait of us, who he wants us to be, who he's called us to be, how he created us to look.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: And it's like a portrait hanging on the wall.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Painted.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: You know, just beautiful.
23:16
SPEAKER_02: You know what the enemy wants to do?
23:18
SPEAKER_02: He wants to mess with that painting.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: He wants to smudge it out.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: He wants to mess with the coloring and the lines, and he'd like to, he liked to damage that portrait so that we no longer look the way God wanted us to look.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: It's like can you imagine the enemy uh the what does he hate more most in the world?
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Is God the creator.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Because God is a designer and he just wants to completely undo that.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: And this is such a visceral example for me right now because I've got kids that love painting things and coloring things, and it's exactly the way that it is.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: And if another kid tries to mess with it or improve or sabotage in some cases, it is the end of the world.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they have designed this, they have created this, and oftentimes it's for mommy or it's for daddy, and it's this beautiful act of love.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: And they they give us this thing, and man, are they protective of it, you know?
24:24
SPEAKER_00: And so that's so good.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: How much more is God protective of us and of the story that he's writing in our own life?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh brother.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: That's it.
24:35
SPEAKER_02: So you're seeing, you're seeing the name, you're seeing the image, yeah, and the likeness.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: Now, not to put too too fine a point on it, but as we're to make our application, we're just called to be like Jesus.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, live like Jesus.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: That's right, right?
24:55
SPEAKER_02: There's a uh verse in Ephesians chapter 5, uh, verse 1.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: It says, Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: Imitate him.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: I wanna be.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: I want, you know, and we've had when we've multiple times we've had an interview with with a guest, and we ask him, you know, what would you like to be remembered for?
25:22
SPEAKER_02: What would you hope that your family members or friends would say about your life?
25:27
SPEAKER_02: And so many times they say, I would love it if people considered and saw that I was trying to just be like Jesus.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: And that's powerful.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: And it reminds me of this cool song.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: And I was playing it as I came in here, and I think you heard me.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, we were humming.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: It's that Zach Williams song.
25:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it in the chorus goes, a little more like mercy, a little more like grace, a little more like kindness, goodness, love, and faith, a little more like patience, a little more like peace.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Gotta help me with this.
26:06
SPEAKER_02: A little more like Jesus, a little less like me.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Come on.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the beauty of it.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and God gets it.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: He knows love, dude.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: He knows, and we stumble, we're doing our best, right?
26:21
SPEAKER_02: But we want to just be a little more like Jesus.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: That's a goal for a day or a week, is it not?
26:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: I want to be a little more like Jesus, a little less like old Rico.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: That's a good day for me.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: Not when it's less like Rico, less like Brad.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: Whoa, whoa.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: No, that is.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: Dude, I don't, I okay.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: I really hope that I'm not just excited about college football, but I am I I am being very stirred by this moment right now.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Because when we think about this, okay, Jesus, he is a five-star recruit.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: He was the number one guy coming out of high school.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: He got full rides to Ohio State, Georgia, he didn't pick his lot, you know.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: I was a no-star.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: I tried to be quarterback, and they said, sorry, bud, you got to go to backup punter.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: Backup holder for the punter.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: And they didn't even have holders.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: Notice what I said backup holder for the punter.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't even exist.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't even exist.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: But what Jesus did is he took all of the NIL deals deals that he had, that he earned, that are his right, and he gave them to us unconditionally.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: First John 3 16.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: This is how we know what love is.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: That Jesus laid down his life for us.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: He gave us his NIL.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: And that is just so stirring to me right now.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, bro, I feel you.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: I feel yeah.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: I just have a sense because I'm that's hitting me the way you shared it.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: Poured your heart out just now.
28:15
SPEAKER_02: And I have a sense that our listeners are feeling that too.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: And that this is not just a clever thing that my buddy Steve shared.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: This is core, brother.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:29
SPEAKER_02: This is core.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Now, let me uh before we kind of wrap up, let me just mention that you know, I told you on each one of these three, we're gonna talk about some of the schemes of the enemy, right?
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Well, the the scheme of the enemy for this one that I wanted to point out goes back to that verse I I read you about imitating God.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: See, it says, Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: And I love that that way of the sentence structure.
29:01
SPEAKER_02: Here's what you do imitate your imitate the Lord.
29:06
SPEAKER_02: Because you're his children.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Now, what the enemy would want us to do is flip that or get that a little uh mixed up because he would say what the enemy wants to do is oh yeah, that's right, you should you should be more like Jesus.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: You better try real hard so that you will have his love, so that you can get that NILD.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Right, yes, so that you can be his children.
29:32
SPEAKER_02: See, it's a sneaky thing that that that religion sometimes does.
29:37
SPEAKER_02: And our tendency to want to do stuff in our own strength does.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: It does that to us.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: It makes us say, no, I I'm not his child yet, so let me get it right.
29:50
SPEAKER_02: This verse says, You're his child.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: So, because of that, do the likeness thing, baby.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: That's right, go for it.
29:58
SPEAKER_02: Wow, not to earn the NIO.
30:03
SPEAKER_02: It's the gift has been given.
30:06
SPEAKER_02: So let us, of course, we would want to, and let's go for it and live like Jesus.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
30:18
SPEAKER_02: So we man, we just talked about how to really engage our faith and fight the the tricks and the schemes of the enemy, yeah, all the while for the next seven months, we're gonna hear about NIL deals.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm just challenging all our listeners.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: Every time you hear on TV or read in the newspaper, newspaper?
30:43
SPEAKER_02: Is there wow?
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh dear, say you just can't hide it, dude.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: You just can't hide it.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: I try to seem like I'm not 60.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: You're cool, man, but you're not that cool.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: But listen when you're when you hear, hey, it's all good, it's all good.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: But when you hear NIL, let's just, yeah, listen to the interesting story or be disgusted by how much money the kid's getting.
31:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, whatever your reaction is.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: But then remember the ultimate NIL deal, yeah, which, as you said, has been given to us by the the all the all-America, the all-star, best ever goat, greatest of all of all time.
31:30
SPEAKER_02: He gave us his NIL deal.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: So let's embrace it and let's just live a little more like Jesus and a little less like us.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome, man.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you, Lord.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Good stuff.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna tell my wife that as part of this um episode, I have to watch college football in order to be reminded.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm gonna go have some devotional.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Are you watching the 10 o'clock UFC game?
32:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm just working on my NIL deal with the Lord right now.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: That's what I told her.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: Let's just breathe.
32:10
SPEAKER_03: Come on, Lord's working.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: Do you have two TVs on right now?
32:15
SPEAKER_03: This is turning long.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: So back off.
32:19
SPEAKER_03: Can you wait till after this play?
32:23
SPEAKER_03: Do you have three TVs right now?
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Father Son of the Holy Spirit, baby.
32:29
SPEAKER_03: We've lost the plot.
32:32
SPEAKER_03: Lord help us.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: All right.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Okay, got a segment.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: We got a segment.
32:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we do, we do.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Hey, and it's like much of this episode has already been, it's gonna be about it's gonna shine a light on how old Rico is.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, that was a great transition you just had about the newspaper.
32:47
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: We we got some birthday related two things that I want to be a part of this segment.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: First off, I'm gonna reference a conversation I had with our good friend Noah, mutual friends of ours, and he's an awesome dude.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: So we're talking, and I'm I mentioned my dad, yeah, and he says to me, this is a week or so ago, he says to me, Hey man, how old's your dad?
33:13
SPEAKER_02: And I say, you know what?
33:14
SPEAKER_02: He'll be 88 next month.
33:18
SPEAKER_02: And he goes, So he's 87, and he gives me this look.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: Like, I didn't ask how old will you be your dad be on this next project?
33:31
SPEAKER_03: I just answer the question, man.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: Like, all I asked was how old he is.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: You just stayed putting yourselves in situations where you do math in public because you had to go, what is his current age?
33:46
SPEAKER_01: And then let me add one and answer this question.
33:50
SPEAKER_03: And Noah was like, I just don't get what people do.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: So I can see Noah just looking at you and be like, you know, he turns 88 in just a couple of weeks.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: So he's 87.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: So my question is, does anybody else do that?
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Now, when we're kids, what do we do when somebody askes how we?
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, five and a half.
34:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm about to turn six next in six months, you know.
34:17
SPEAKER_02: When I now that I'm an old gray-haired dude, you know what it is.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: You know what it is?
34:23
SPEAKER_00: Talk to me.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Is you wanted you wanted Noah to share in the celebration that you already were experiencing on behalf of your father.
34:33
SPEAKER_00: It was actually an invitation for young Noah to be invited into this wholesome.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's shame on Noah, actually.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: You know what?
34:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm on your side, Rico.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: Shame on you.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm kidding, Noah.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm on your side.
34:49
SPEAKER_03: We love you, right?
34:51
SPEAKER_03: We do.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: No, you only do that if you're trying to name drop your own birthday.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: How old are you?
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I turn uh, you know, so and so in a couple of months.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, when's your birthday?
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, now that you mention it, why do you ask?
35:04
SPEAKER_00: Because you told me.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: So uh anyway, I uh so Noah, thank you for you know trying to straighten me out.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know it's not easy.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, and also just for the record, Pops, my dad, who also is the uh the subject of episode five of Sermons on the Side.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah in our opening week, a father's heart.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: If you have you haven't listened, or maybe you hadn't listened in a while, go back.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: You need to get you loop you some some episode five.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: Hey, being invited into the celebration of Pops' birthday for his birthday.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna go listen to that.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
35:43
SPEAKER_02: And I was just gonna mention that uh on drop day, my dad's birthday was yesterday.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: It's coming right up, and guess guess how old it is.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Let me just ask you something real quick.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
36:06
SPEAKER_03: He turned 88.
36:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
36:12
SPEAKER_03: About a year from now.
36:15
SPEAKER_03: 64 days away.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so bad.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: All right.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: Well, hey, you guys, I hope everybody's favorite team wins this week, unless you're Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ohio State.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Shout out, Steve, Michigan, all you know, all y'all can kick rocks.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: Go dogs.
36:35
SPEAKER_02: But we're talking about different dogs.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Um I'm just kidding.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: I hope everybody's team wins and Georgia's the one that beats everybody.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: You guys have an awesome week.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to college football.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh we'll see you guys here again next week on another episode of Sermons on the Side.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh listen, uh, so Labor Day.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Labor Day coming up, man.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Labor Day, guess where I'm gonna be.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: See y'all.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: We're taking my dad.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: No, we're taking my dad to the PC, yeah, to the trailer, to the trailer.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we're gonna I want you to do something for me.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: I do okay next episode laying on.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Next week's episode.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: I want you to tally up how many days you have been in Panama City in 2026, and then we're gonna play an over-under game.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: All right, okay, fine.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: Fine, we'll do it.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna play a little over-under game with the with the listeners.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: That'll be what we do.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: My word.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: Can you vote in Florida?
38:03
SPEAKER_00: How much time have you been down?
38:06
SPEAKER_01: Dual citizenship.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh.