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Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby enters rehab, Steelers GM MUST improve, Giants GM on HOT SEAT? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? How are
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Speaker 1: we doing? John Middlecoffe three and now podcasts. Hopefully you
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Speaker 1: were doing well out there in the real world. Today
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Speaker 1: we'll do a little house cleaning on the Eagles, Cowboys,
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Speaker 1: Steeler drama. A lot of you guys draft grades, draft grades,
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Speaker 1: draft grades, have some thoughts there. I we had a
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Speaker 1: quarterback check himself into gambling rehab to day, potential top
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Speaker 1: ten pick next year. So I always say, we've got
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Speaker 1: into some football talk and where I got it wrong?
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Speaker 1: What is Colin? Where Colin was right? Where Colin was wrong?
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Speaker 1: One of my big takes yesterday was Omar Khan being
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Speaker 1: in over his head as a general manager and getting
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Speaker 1: out maneuvered by Howie Roseman, And it turns out the
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Speaker 1: maneuvering came from Jerry Jones. Now, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: retract anything I said when it came to Kan. I
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Speaker 1: used the analogy yesterday with the new Apple CEO. He's
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Speaker 1: a product guy. The expectation is going to be for
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Speaker 1: their products to dominate because that's what he does well.
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Speaker 1: When you're a salary cap guy, you're viewed as a
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Speaker 1: wheeler and a dealer. You understand money, you understand value.
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Speaker 1: You're viewed a little bit differently than maybe a John
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Speaker 1: Schneider or Jason Light that have a scouting background. Right,
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Speaker 1: I have different expectations even though the job title doesn't change.
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Speaker 1: General manager is the same throughout the league. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say the expectations of you should
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Speaker 1: be viewed a little differently. And Howie Roseman has a
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Speaker 1: similar background to Cohn, and he's viewed as one of,
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Speaker 1: if not the best GM in the league. Now, let
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Speaker 1: me piggyback on that. I got a text today from
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Speaker 1: someone around the NFL that said, John, not only were
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Speaker 1: you right about what you said about their general manager,
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Speaker 1: because I work for Howie right how he came up
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Speaker 1: in the salary cap side of the building, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I think the building was kind of well. He started
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Speaker 1: at the old stadium, now they've been to the Lincoln
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Speaker 1: New Practe facility for a long time, but then integrated
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Speaker 1: himself into the scouting area, did pro scouting, did college scouting.
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Speaker 1: I have seen him. He watches tape. From what I've told,
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Speaker 1: Omar Khan does not watch any tape, and at this
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Speaker 1: point in time, he's not doing contracts. Not quite sure
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Speaker 1: what he's doing. I've said, and I stand by this.
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Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit in over said, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's very good at his job. But
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Speaker 1: it turns out how he wasn't the guy that and
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Speaker 1: the Steelers organization, from what I was also told, is
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Speaker 1: extremely behind the times in terms of technology when it
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Speaker 1: comes to their front office, antiquated, just getting lapped by
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Speaker 1: some of these new age organizations that are pumping money
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Speaker 1: into kind of modern technology that we have in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. He even mentioned that Art Rooney still signs
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Speaker 1: the checks. I don't know if he was being serious
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Speaker 1: on that one, but I mean it just shows you
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Speaker 1: they're a little bit Listen. Their heyday was I mean,
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Speaker 1: the hell they were good ten years ago. They've been
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Speaker 1: good for a while. They haven't had losing teams. Just
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Speaker 1: their organization I think just needs a reset they could
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Speaker 1: use if this season goes poorly. Someone from the outside,
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Speaker 1: from one of these other organizations with some different views.
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Speaker 1: You can keep the philosophical belief of toughness, physicality were
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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I don't think it's crazy to
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Speaker 1: get some outside influence in on the building. But it
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Speaker 1: turns out as Jerry Jones said, and I listen. I
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Speaker 1: Greg Papa is a close friend friend of mine. He
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Speaker 1: was the voice of the Raiders for multiple decades and
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Speaker 1: became very, very close to Al Davis. So when he
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Speaker 1: talks about football, he does it through the lens of
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Speaker 1: Al Davis. And he was always adamant because he learned
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Speaker 1: it from Al as Jerry did, who Al Davis was
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Speaker 1: Jerry's mentor from a football standpoint, you never trade inside
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Speaker 1: the division al Davis would roll over in his grave
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Speaker 1: if the Raiders made a trade with the Chiefs or
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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos or the Chargers in terms of the draft.
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Speaker 1: Jerry is different because Jerry's not He played college football,
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Speaker 1: but Jerry's a businessman. He's a maverick. I'll never forget
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Speaker 1: a quote he had when they named the stadium when
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Speaker 1: he got it built in the late two thousands, and
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Speaker 1: he named it AT and T. They're like, why did
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Speaker 1: you come to an agreement with AT and T and
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Speaker 1: name that for your stadium. He said, well, guys, I'm
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Speaker 1: a horror. And they offered the most money and at
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Speaker 1: the time I think it was a one hundred million
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Speaker 1: dollar contract. It was a lot of money at the time.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the numbers feel small now. But Jerry's a
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Speaker 1: businessman through and through, and he was the guy because
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Speaker 1: think about this, and I saw this, a lot of
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Speaker 1: you guys had forward me this. Mike McCarthy has a
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Speaker 1: lot of staff members, obviously including himself, that are now,
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Speaker 1: you know, running the Pittsburgh Steelers as from a coaching standpoint,
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Speaker 1: and clearly we're talking to people within the Cowboys. And
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Speaker 1: when it comes to draft time, all is fair in
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Speaker 1: love and war, right, you got to be very very
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Speaker 1: careful of what you say to who and the Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't Howie, and maybe he did have some idea,
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Speaker 1: but the Cowboys clearly knew who they were taking, and
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Speaker 1: it's well documented because they were taking him. They had
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Speaker 1: him on the phone. They reached out to the Philadelphia Eagles,
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Speaker 1: and they gave them the opportunity. Hey, would you be
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Speaker 1: willing to do this? And now he's like, hell yeah.
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Speaker 1: And because loud loose lips sink ships. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: something you hear a long time ago. Stitches get stitches
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Speaker 1: during draft time, you have to be very careful about
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Speaker 1: what you say and what you say to who. I
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Speaker 1: disagree with the pick, but I will give less sneed
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Speaker 1: a lot of credit. He kept it pretty quiet. Part
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Speaker 1: of the reason that was so shocking is because that
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Speaker 1: was not public knowledge. Carnell take to the Titans, like
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Speaker 1: part of the reason our jaws hit the floor when
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Speaker 1: it came up that that's who they chose, because no
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Speaker 1: one knew when David Bailey went to the Jets. Not
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Speaker 1: that they have to keep it a secret when everyone
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Speaker 1: knows Mendoz's going one. They control the draft, so who
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Speaker 1: cares Once people know who you're gonna take. But as
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Speaker 1: the draft goes on, even when the Chiefs come up,
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't let other people know. They could have some idea,
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Speaker 1: use your strengths, your weaknesses, who you've talked to, who
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Speaker 1: you've worked out. But the Cowboys knew exactly who the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers were taking, so I questioned the general manager.
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Speaker 1: Clearly the head coach and his cronies were talking to
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Speaker 1: their former colleagues and the Cowboys, and they could not
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Speaker 1: keep quiet. And maybe they thought they were safe because
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Speaker 1: they said, well, hell, the Cowboys will never do a
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Speaker 1: deal with the Eagles, even though they had just done
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Speaker 1: one several years ago. The netted the Eagles Devonte Smith
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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys Micah Parsons. Somehow, the Bears ended up
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Speaker 1: at eleven with with Justin Fields, and the Giants, who
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Speaker 1: had picked eleven ended up a pick twenty with Tony
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Speaker 1: the fast wide receiver. That was a disaster that also
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Speaker 1: ended up on the Chiefs. But I just think right
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Speaker 1: now the Pittsburgh Steelers have lost their way, and I
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Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy's a solid coach, but this whole situation,
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Speaker 1: there is no way around it. I stand by everything
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Speaker 1: that I've said over the course of the last three
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Speaker 1: or four days. Complete embarrassment for the organization, and now
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Speaker 1: that they're getting lapped from an intellectual standpoint, they can
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Speaker 1: outthink or out maneuver anybody. Obviously on the field, Mike
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Speaker 1: Tomlin just admitted we just weren't going anywhere. They needed
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Speaker 1: to change. I felt obligated to give some of the
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Speaker 1: guys I had a lot of respect for a chance,
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Speaker 1: and I just think the Steelers have kind of lost
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Speaker 1: their way and they're not going to be a disaster.
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Speaker 1: They have too many good players and they have a
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Speaker 1: credible coach. But nothing is going to change in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six from what we have seen in recent years.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that happens, you know and listen, these
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Speaker 1: guys are paid to do this. It mock drafts, work
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Speaker 1: draft grades, work mock drafts the day after the draft
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Speaker 1: for the upcoming season. It clearly gets clicks, It gets
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Speaker 1: people interested. I'm as guilty as anybody. I will click
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Speaker 1: on them all. I also think we have to be
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Speaker 1: very careful, like I've been hard on the Browns. Their
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Speaker 1: draft class on paper looks excellent. Their draft class last
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Speaker 1: year was excellent. Andrew Berry's fleecing of James Gladstone in
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Speaker 1: the Travis Hunter Mason Graham trade is under He's done
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Speaker 1: a good job in the draft the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: The Jets their first four players, I mean, no one
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Speaker 1: disagrees aren't really good, aren't guys. I mean Ponds their
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Speaker 1: second round pick. Guy could play for my team any
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Speaker 1: day of the week and ten times on Sunday. That
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Speaker 1: guy's got long term pro written all over him. I
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Speaker 1: know his comp ironically is Aaron Glenn. But I watched
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Speaker 1: the press conference on on Friday night for the Jets,
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Speaker 1: and Aaron Glenn was trying to be like, listen, he's
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Speaker 1: his own man, but he just said turn on the
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Speaker 1: tape because the guy's a ballplayer. But when you suck.
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Speaker 1: And I've always defended the good teams, right, It's like
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Speaker 1: I remember the year the Chiefs they took Clyde Edwards,
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Speaker 1: a layer pick thirty two. You know, I think this
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Speaker 1: year the price the running back, the backup running back
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Speaker 1: for Notre Dame John Schneider took it is much more
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Speaker 1: difficult to draft in the late twenties and early thirties.
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Speaker 1: When you've been in the conference championship or won the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, then it is to suck and have a
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Speaker 1: top five pick in every round. And because the Browns,
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Speaker 1: for example, traded Quinn Williams Sauce Gardner, they had multiple
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Speaker 1: first round picks. It's why a lot of people like
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs draft one for the first time in forever.
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Speaker 1: They were drafting high, so two of their picks are
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Speaker 1: just gonna be one in the top ten and one.
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Speaker 1: You know, from thirty three to forty, they're gonna have
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to draft two really good players. And because
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Speaker 1: they traded McDuffie, they had another one. So it's like
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Speaker 1: Amy'd be the first to tell you a lot of years,
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Speaker 1: by pick forty, we had three players. One of them
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Speaker 1: is starting corner and more than likely between the two
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Speaker 1: defensive linemen, one's gonna start for sure. Typically we just
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Speaker 1: got one pick and it's in the late twenties. You know,
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Speaker 1: the draft would look a lot different if I just said, hey,
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs last year were in the AFC Championship game
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Speaker 1: and there are one pick in the top sixty. Was
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Speaker 1: Pierre Woods. They wouldn't get great draft grades. People like eh,
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Speaker 1: kind of an underachiever, didn't have a great year, So
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Speaker 1: I'm all for building up your team. They don't have
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, and if these teams never find a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: none of this will matter. But when you draft really high,
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Speaker 1: everyone should like your draft. I don't pretend to have
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Speaker 1: a great feel for some of the Jags players. I
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Speaker 1: know they're getting crushed for the tight end they took
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Speaker 1: from Texas A and M, who is kind of a
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Speaker 1: you know, late bloomer in the sense they played in Nebraska.
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Speaker 1: They don't really use the tight end transfers to A
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Speaker 1: and M. But the Jacks had a really good record
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Speaker 1: that their picks, unlike typically when they're drafting really high.
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Speaker 1: Their first pick in this draft was pick fifty six.
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Speaker 1: So even if people are going the value is terrible.
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Speaker 1: And listen, everyone I texted hates their draft as well.
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Speaker 1: It's not the most enviable position and because of a
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Speaker 1: trade that I think they definitely regret standing here right
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Speaker 1: now with Travis Hunter. They didn't have a first round pick.
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Speaker 1: So some of these teams I saw people like ah,
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Speaker 1: I love Denver's first two rounds well, yeah, they have
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Speaker 1: pick in the first round. They just got a starting
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Speaker 1: receiver that's gonna give them eighty catches and thirteen hundred yards. Listen,
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Speaker 1: we can debate whether the value there, whether that's the
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Speaker 1: right trade with Jalen Waddle, but some of these teams
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Speaker 1: with multiple first round picks, or multiple three picks in
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Speaker 1: the top forty or forty five picks, you should get credit.
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Speaker 1: Like everyone's like, I love Dallas's draft, No shit, I
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Speaker 1: do too. They also had two picks in the top
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and one of them because the guy plays safety,
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Speaker 1: they got to draft at eleven. So the value thing
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Speaker 1: and I said this yesterday with the forty nine ers
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Speaker 1: who I Listen. I've known Grant Cone his father forever.
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Speaker 1: When I first got into the media in the Barrier Lowll.
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Speaker 1: His father was a longtime calumnist for the San Francisco Chronicle.
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Speaker 1: The first time I ever did local TV, I was
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Speaker 1: on with him and my dad was so proud because
12:43
Speaker 1: my dad read him as a calmness forever. Just he's
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Speaker 1: a funny guy. He's just a little off the wall,
12:49
Speaker 1: and Grant's kind of a antagonist. You know, we don't
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Speaker 1: have many of those guys on the West coast, there
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Speaker 1: aren't as many. Like if you go to Philly, everyone's
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Speaker 1: asking the crazy questions. It's not really how it works
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Speaker 1: with the forty. It's not really how it works like
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Speaker 1: with the Lakers, right or Seattle. It's a different environment
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Speaker 1: on the West Coast than it is would be with
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Speaker 1: the Phillies or the Mets, or the Eagles or the
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Speaker 1: Giants or the Patriots or whoever. It's just different grants,
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Speaker 1: much more like someone you would find in Philly, in
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Speaker 1: Boston in New York, right than someone that you see
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Speaker 1: in San Francisco. So, and he's at it with those guys.
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Speaker 1: And my issue with the consensus, and I will reiterate
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Speaker 1: this point. I think it's much more difficult in a
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Speaker 1: draft that's kind of universally viewed as really shitty. A
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Speaker 1: lot of tight ends went in this draft. Why because
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Speaker 1: there weren't that many other positions to take. Do you
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Speaker 1: think some of these tight ends weren't even that productive? Right?
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Speaker 1: It's one thing the sours you know is unreal college
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Speaker 1: player or Sadiq who's this freak athlete, huge upside. A
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Speaker 1: lot of these guys are like eh kind of men.
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Speaker 1: But it's like, who else am I gonna take? Don't
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Speaker 1: really love any of the wide receivers, no offensive lineman here,
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Speaker 1: So it's more of an indictment on listen to. Draft
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Speaker 1: is all based on the supply, right, there are some drafts.
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Speaker 1: The reason the quarterbacks a couple of years ago, six
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Speaker 1: guys going the top fifteen is because there were six
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that people thought were legit. Pennix was definitely controversial
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Speaker 1: and clearly JJ can't play dead in the Western but
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Speaker 1: Jaden Drake, Caleb, I mean, those guys were big time prospects. Right.
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Speaker 1: If Caleb Drake May or Jaden Daniels was in this draft.
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Speaker 1: Fred Adam Mendoza might not be going one right, but
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Speaker 1: he'd be going two right. In bo Nicks, I think
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Speaker 1: most years whether he goes as high as he did
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Speaker 1: to Sean Payton, but that guy's going in the first round.
14:38
Speaker 1: If Ty Simpsons going in the first round, Bownicks can
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Speaker 1: definitely go in the first round. So it's just it's
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Speaker 1: a supply and demand thing. I was at a draft
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Speaker 1: once with Von Miller, JJ Watt, Alden Smith, AJ Green,
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Speaker 1: the Julio Jones. Some drafts have more firepower than others.
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Speaker 1: This one did not, and because of Nil and all
14:55
Speaker 1: these guys returning to school, it wasn't as deep. And
14:58
Speaker 1: here's the other thing which was crazy. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: like many of you, some of these guys that would
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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting on my couch on Saturday, and a
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Speaker 1: guy would get drafted I don't know that much about
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Speaker 1: and you just start clicking on his bio. They've all
15:12
Speaker 1: been to multiple schools, several of them three and they're
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Speaker 1: all twenty four to twenty five years old, where typically
15:19
Speaker 1: it's the power of And I watched I watched a
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Speaker 1: lot of these press conferences over the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: And one thing, I think the Giants and John Harbaugh
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Speaker 1: why they really like Rvel Reese and some team's a
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Speaker 1: little not turned off but thought he was risky. He's
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Speaker 1: twenty years old. It's a guy with a huge ceiling.
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Speaker 1: What exactly is he gonna be time will tell. But
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Speaker 1: that is the type player historically that goes really high.
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Speaker 1: Because his ceiling is as high as the sun, it's unlimited.
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Speaker 1: If he hits, he could be an all pro elite player.
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Speaker 1: There's no guarantee. But that wasn't a lot of these players,
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Speaker 1: even guys I liked, like the Arizona dB that the
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Speaker 1: Raiders took. It's like a six year player walked on
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Because remember twenty twenty and this is
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Speaker 1: over now. If you started college in twenty twenty or
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Speaker 1: already there, that year did not count, not like a
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Speaker 1: Redshert year. It literally just didn't exist. So if your
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Speaker 1: first year was there twenty one, twenty two, twenty three,
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Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty five, so if you read your in
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Speaker 1: one of those years, you could have been in college
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Speaker 1: for six years. And now, because the NCAA is just
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Speaker 1: a bunch of pussies. It just losers and have no juice.
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Speaker 1: Like anyone threatens to sue, They're like, you're good, come
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Speaker 1: back and listen. I don't have a problem. I don't
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Speaker 1: blame any of these guys. If I was Trinidad Chambliss,
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Speaker 1: I'd want to come back for a tenth year to
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Speaker 1: make millions of dollars. I don't blame the kid at all.
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Speaker 1: But most of my life, you got five to play four,
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Speaker 1: Well that that feels like it's done. And if you
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Speaker 1: went pro or you know, you were at a different level, counted,
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Speaker 1: and hell, they've been trying to act like junior college
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Speaker 1: is not gonna count. I don't know when that's gonna
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Speaker 1: go through, if it ends up going through, But if
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Speaker 1: that ever does happen, you go to junior college for
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Speaker 1: two years and then you transfer to let's say, you know,
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Speaker 1: Washington or Texas Tech. You could start your career at
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one years old. So if you become a
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Speaker 1: prospect in a couple of years, you could be twenty
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Speaker 1: four to twenty five years old as a draft eligible guy.
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Speaker 1: Most of the time, I remember a time like Juju
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Speaker 1: Smith was nineteen or twenty years old when he came out.
17:27
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold nineteen or twenty years old. That that used
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Speaker 1: to be the norm. These true juniors were really young,
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Speaker 1: and even a senior, a lot of them were twenty one,
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Speaker 1: twenty two Max twenty two was old. That's not the
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Speaker 1: case anymore. I was with the Eagles when we took
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Speaker 1: a guy named Danny Watkins, the Firefighter, disastrous pick like
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Speaker 1: all time. Bat Part of the reason it was so
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Speaker 1: controversial because he was like from Canada and like transferred.
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Speaker 1: He was old. If I remember correctly, he was like
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Speaker 1: twenty four, which was unheard of at the time. I
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Speaker 1: bet if we did a study, thirty or forty percent
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Speaker 1: of this draft class was twenty four or older. So
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Speaker 1: that will change with time. So why I don't do
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Speaker 1: draft grades. I've been to so many training camps, like
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Speaker 1: a lot of listen, I would put mel Kiper in
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Daniel Jeremiah's been a close buddy
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Speaker 1: of mine for fifteen years, So I respect how hard
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Speaker 1: their job is. They grind tape. I don't have to
18:22
Speaker 1: do that anymore. We're just in the podcast entertainment business, right.
18:25
Speaker 1: I just watch games on my couch. But like their job,
18:29
Speaker 1: when it comes to that stuff, you have to put
18:33
Speaker 1: give draft grades, right, you have to give thumbs up
18:36
Speaker 1: or thumbs down on draft night. That that's the business
18:39
Speaker 1: they're in. And I don't mind doing that either. But
18:42
Speaker 1: like I've been going to these camps for fifteen plus
18:46
Speaker 1: years and so many times that by like the second
18:49
Speaker 1: day of pads, it's like, is this undrafted free agent
18:52
Speaker 1: better than the third rounder? Is this second rounder gonna
18:56
Speaker 1: get beat out by the seventh rounder? Yet right now?
18:59
Speaker 1: No to saying like, hey, these fifteen seventh rounders are
19:03
Speaker 1: gonna be really good. But that's inevitable. Now maybe in
19:07
Speaker 1: this class instead of seventh, because it was about it's
19:09
Speaker 1: like fifth and sixth, but no one is getting on
19:13
Speaker 1: a soapbox pounding the table for fifth and six rounders
19:16
Speaker 1: because it's much more sexy to talk about the second
19:19
Speaker 1: round guys, right, it's it's the same thing back to
19:23
Speaker 1: if you got an a as most people are giving
19:26
Speaker 1: the browns or the jets. I hope they did. They
19:29
Speaker 1: had all these picks. They had all these high picks.
19:31
Speaker 1: Like if you and me are running a race and
19:33
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, who can win? Will both run the mile?
19:36
Speaker 1: But John, you start on lap three. Even if I'm
19:40
Speaker 1: not some six minute mile guy. If I can just
19:42
Speaker 1: run an eight minute mile, there's no way you're gonna
19:45
Speaker 1: beat me cause I can just run two laps in
19:46
Speaker 1: like four minutes, four minutes, thirty seconds. You're fucked. I'm
19:49
Speaker 1: gonna win. And that's what happens when you draft dr
19:51
Speaker 1: You get a huge head start, you get the pick
19:53
Speaker 1: of the litter in every round. So that's why I
19:56
Speaker 1: don't really mess with that. I just I live in
19:59
Speaker 1: more reality then the theoretical world of the reaction to
20:04
Speaker 1: the draft, and the reality is most of the guys
20:06
Speaker 1: in the league are four fifth, sixth, seventh round picks,
20:09
Speaker 1: and every single team, some more than others, have undrafted
20:13
Speaker 1: free agents that will make the team. That's not an opinion,
20:16
Speaker 1: that's a fact. And some of those undrafted free agents
20:19
Speaker 1: go on to have long careers. I mean, remember sitting
20:22
Speaker 1: there on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving watching Manujai, the
20:27
Speaker 1: running back for the Bears, just dominate the Eagles. It's like, oh, well,
20:32
Speaker 1: they got him in the seventh round. So it happens
20:36
Speaker 1: all the time. Isaiah Pacheco was like starting running back
20:39
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs seventh round pick when they were making
20:42
Speaker 1: Super Bowl runs. You just never know. Here's the other thing.
20:47
Speaker 1: Last year, was it like fourteen or fifteen of the
20:49
Speaker 1: fifth round options and not on this current class that
20:53
Speaker 1: I see, some guys are getting picked up. Some guys
20:55
Speaker 1: are not. Nolan Smith, Jalen Carter picked up. But we
20:58
Speaker 1: know for a fact, like definitely every single year under twenty,
21:03
Speaker 1: so somewhere between fifteen to twenty are getting picked up.
21:07
Speaker 1: So you're talking potentially sixteen to ten guys are not
21:12
Speaker 1: even having their fifth year option exercise. Like that's a fail.
21:18
Speaker 1: No one last or on Thursday night, drafted a guy
21:21
Speaker 1: in the first round with the thought of we're not
21:24
Speaker 1: going to pick up this guy's fifth year option. Because
21:26
Speaker 1: if I told any of those gms starting with Fernando
21:29
Speaker 1: Mendoza all the way to pick thirty two, the guy
21:33
Speaker 1: you're drafting in three years, you will not pick up
21:37
Speaker 1: their their fifth year option, they would change the pick.
21:41
Speaker 1: I'll promise that one hundred percent would change the pick. Also,
21:46
Speaker 1: this is the time of year. A long time ago,
21:48
Speaker 1: I once got a call from Howie that said, John,
21:54
Speaker 1: we're moving in a different direction. And most scouts, a
21:58
Speaker 1: lot of these teams, the Vikings, don't have a GM.
22:01
Speaker 1: Some of these teams have new gms. Some of these
22:04
Speaker 1: teams wait a year when they get new gms in
22:07
Speaker 1: let guys go. During this period of time, this is
22:10
Speaker 1: also the time when some of these gms that inherited
22:14
Speaker 1: new coaches could be in trouble. And Pat Leonard, who
22:18
Speaker 1: covers the Giants, I talked to him for a long
22:21
Speaker 1: time at the Combine, been buddies with him for a while.
22:24
Speaker 1: Is I saw this clip on the Internet of him
22:27
Speaker 1: in some of the local TV in New York, and
22:30
Speaker 1: one thing he brought up is people around the league wonder,
22:34
Speaker 1: and I think Joe Shane wonders what is his status?
22:38
Speaker 1: And I watched either the Friday or Saturday press conference
22:43
Speaker 1: with Joe and John Harbaugh, and you wouldn't be able
22:45
Speaker 1: to tell. I watched the press conference where John went
22:48
Speaker 1: on the long like a kind of rant about Malik
22:52
Speaker 1: doing the podcast with Micah Parsons about questioning how they're
22:56
Speaker 1: going to use r vil Reese and they should have
22:58
Speaker 1: taken Caleb Downs and John's good. John's the total pro
23:01
Speaker 1: You realize why Joe Shane. You know, one of the
23:05
Speaker 1: things John Harbaugh when he took the job was planning
23:09
Speaker 1: on coaching Dexter Lawrence. One of the things that I've heard,
23:12
Speaker 1: and I think it's been reported, is you know, Dexter
23:14
Speaker 1: Lawrence and his agent weren't big Joe Shane guys and
23:17
Speaker 1: wanted to get away from him. And the reason Dexter
23:19
Speaker 1: Lawrence's agent didn't allow John Harbaugh to talk to him
23:23
Speaker 1: directly is because Harbaugh's are football guys. They're good at
23:28
Speaker 1: talking to other football guys, and if you get him
23:30
Speaker 1: one on one in a situation, he might be able
23:32
Speaker 1: to convince Dexter Lawrence to change his mind even though
23:35
Speaker 1: they were trying to get him out of Dodge, and
23:38
Speaker 1: so I think there were some major questions with Joe
23:40
Speaker 1: Shane's job status. He's going into the last year of
23:42
Speaker 1: his contract. Everything in these press conference is about changing
23:46
Speaker 1: the team, getting more size. That's essentially saying what you
23:51
Speaker 1: did is bad. You know, the way you built this
23:55
Speaker 1: team is awful. I can't relate to a lot of
23:59
Speaker 1: the things you did now. I don't blame him. If
24:01
Speaker 1: I was in his shoes, I would do everything. Because
24:03
Speaker 1: is getting crushed sometimes on the internet for kissing John's ass, well,
24:07
Speaker 1: I would too, pretty good gig the GM of the
24:09
Speaker 1: Giants making seven fixed like I probably kissed the guy's
24:14
Speaker 1: ass as well. But I think that's definitely a situation
24:17
Speaker 1: to monitor over the next couple of days. Again, if
24:19
Speaker 1: you just watch the press conferences, you would think everything
24:22
Speaker 1: was good, good, think I got these guys are getting
24:24
Speaker 1: along pretty well. But there are also some comments about
24:28
Speaker 1: the roster that essentially our direct reflection of the guy
24:32
Speaker 1: that had been there for several years building the team.
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Speaker 1: Sun up till sundown. Like many of you, I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily have a team. I didn't you know. I went
26:53
Speaker 1: to a little school. I got tim skippers, Gonna turn
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Speaker 1: them into a playoff team. But it's not like I
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Speaker 1: look forward every Saturday to watch in my Trojans or
27:01
Speaker 1: my Longhorns or my buck Eyes. I think it's a
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Speaker 1: really really cool experience for all you guys that went
27:07
Speaker 1: to these big power for programs that your football team matters.
27:11
Speaker 1: I'm jealous, Honestly. I don't really regret much in life.
27:16
Speaker 1: I think that's a shitty way to live. But one
27:19
Speaker 1: if I could have a do over, like and my
27:22
Speaker 1: life's worked out fantastic. And I mentioned this the other day,
27:25
Speaker 1: I go into a big school would be something if
27:27
Speaker 1: you could throw forty year old John in eighteen year
27:30
Speaker 1: old John's body. Maybe I look at it a little
27:33
Speaker 1: different and maybe I end up at Oregon or Arizona
27:36
Speaker 1: or Utah or just something different than the way it
27:38
Speaker 1: played out. But I'm jealous and envious a little bit
27:41
Speaker 1: of you guys that you know, when the NCAA tournament
27:44
Speaker 1: comes around, or the NFL season comes or I mean
27:47
Speaker 1: the college football season comes around, like you get really
27:50
Speaker 1: passionate about, Like I can't wait to watch the Ducks.
27:52
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that went to Oregon.
27:54
Speaker 1: It's a really cool thing. It's like a communal experience,
27:57
Speaker 1: even if your team's not as good like you take
27:59
Speaker 1: Pride and football, UCLA basketball, and I'm always hesitant to say,
28:05
Speaker 1: like this next class with quarterbacks is gonna be the
28:07
Speaker 1: best thing since slice bread, because there's a lot that
28:11
Speaker 1: can change in what happened today. Brennan Soresby, who I
28:17
Speaker 1: don't think he's viewed as like the number one quarterback
28:19
Speaker 1: in the class, but he is a guy just got
28:21
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to transfer from Cincinnati to Texas Tech,
28:26
Speaker 1: and he was so good that in Texas Tech basically
28:29
Speaker 1: is being like had to pay a million dollars in Cincinnati,
28:32
Speaker 1: or maybe Cincinnati's demanding a million dollars, Like this is
28:35
Speaker 1: a seven figure NFL quarterback viewed as if he has
28:38
Speaker 1: a big season at Texas Tech, could definitely go in
28:41
Speaker 1: the first round. Now where in the first round, who knows.
28:45
Speaker 1: But I think the discussion on him is he's gonna
28:48
Speaker 1: be a quarterback if things go well, it has success
28:51
Speaker 1: at Tech, that you're gonna be hearing his name in
28:53
Speaker 1: the drafts and the mocks as one of the top
28:56
Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks in next year's draft, in a
28:58
Speaker 1: draft that's widely viewed as a bunch of quarterbacks are
29:00
Speaker 1: going to go in the top ten or top twenty.
29:03
Speaker 1: And what happened today breaking news he checked himself into
29:07
Speaker 1: rehab for gambling. Now, I'd be hypocrite, like part of
29:11
Speaker 1: it has made thousands of bets, so have I, so
29:14
Speaker 1: have probably many people listening. It's a lot easier now
29:16
Speaker 1: with the Internet. I do think it gets a murky
29:19
Speaker 1: water clearly when you're the quarterback on a football team.
29:24
Speaker 1: Were allegedly bet on Indiana. He started in Indiana, transferred
29:28
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, and then this year's in theory at Tech.
29:32
Speaker 1: We'll see how this plays out. But and he's currently
29:36
Speaker 1: in you know, gambling rehab. I guess I will say this.
29:42
Speaker 1: There are certain situations we just saw Reuben Bain was
29:45
Speaker 1: in a car accident that by all accounts was an accident.
29:48
Speaker 1: Someone died, and we see crazy situations Where Jalen Carter was,
29:54
Speaker 1: his situation was much worse. I mean, these guys still
29:56
Speaker 1: get drafted. I this situation gets really murky really fast,
30:01
Speaker 1: and I would say this is one of those for
30:03
Speaker 1: NFL teams. Is clearly got a long time. We'll see
30:06
Speaker 1: how it all shakes out, but it's pretty hard to
30:09
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. I just got an alert on my
30:11
Speaker 1: phone from the Athletic about Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier,
30:17
Speaker 1: the gambling scandal in the NBA. These leagues are very
30:20
Speaker 1: very sensitive about this stuff now because we're seeing guys
30:24
Speaker 1: go to jail. Damon Jones, Lebron's former guy, like Tyler's
30:28
Speaker 1: best friend, I think, just pleaded guilty. So I'm not
30:32
Speaker 1: saying this is a game ender because we have seen
30:37
Speaker 1: so many situations that don't end guy's career in college,
30:41
Speaker 1: and I like to gamble. I'll never apologize for it,
30:44
Speaker 1: but I've never like I really enjoy doing it, you know.
30:48
Speaker 1: And if I was a multi millionaire in college, it
30:50
Speaker 1: would probably be difficult for me to not play some wagers.
30:54
Speaker 1: But this is one of those that you just never know.
30:59
Speaker 1: And we're not even talk talking about poor play or
31:01
Speaker 1: an injury. We're talking about off the field stuff. So
31:05
Speaker 1: it's the reason I'm hesitant to ever go. This is
31:08
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest quarterback class since nineteen eighty three.
31:11
Speaker 1: People have been saying that NonStop. It's like, do you
31:15
Speaker 1: guys understand nineteen eighty three had Dan Marino, John Elway
31:19
Speaker 1: and Jim Kelly, What are the chances that three years
31:23
Speaker 1: ago with Caleb Drake May and Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix,
31:27
Speaker 1: that's gonna turn out remotely as close as that. We
31:31
Speaker 1: got a long way to go till any of those
31:32
Speaker 1: guys are going to the Hall of Fame. So I
31:34
Speaker 1: think sometimes we throw this stuff around. It's like, this
31:37
Speaker 1: is the best prospect. He's like Peyton Manning. I don't know,
31:39
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is one of the top four or five
31:41
Speaker 1: players of all time in the NFL. I think we
31:44
Speaker 1: just too loosely throw this around, like if the guy
31:47
Speaker 1: just makes a couple of Pro Bowls, that's an excellent pick. Uh.
31:52
Speaker 1: There was a little change of scenery. This segment is
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31:59
Speaker 1: I must have missed this story on Saturday, but I
32:02
Speaker 1: saw today that Tyree Wilson, who several years ago when
32:07
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler were there, was the number
32:10
Speaker 1: seven pick in the draft for Naratus, and he was
32:17
Speaker 1: your classic not very good in college, but he was
32:21
Speaker 1: six six, two seventy in, a freak athlete, and his
32:24
Speaker 1: arms were like thirty six inches long. Ruben bain would
32:27
Speaker 1: die for like one inch off those arms to add
32:29
Speaker 1: to his right. If Ruben Baines were just you could
32:32
Speaker 1: take one inch off Tyree Wilson's give it to Ruben
32:35
Speaker 1: bain He's definitely going in the top ten. So he
32:38
Speaker 1: fit all the measurables. Couldn't play, I mean, was not
32:41
Speaker 1: very good at all. He was drafted seventh and in
32:44
Speaker 1: three years has seven career starts. Well, he was just
32:47
Speaker 1: traded to the Saints. And I never have an issue
32:50
Speaker 1: with some of these teams trading some mid to late
32:53
Speaker 1: round pick for a guy who's been a complete disaster.
32:56
Speaker 1: Is it's kind of a swing because you're not that
33:00
Speaker 1: tied to it. If it doesn't work, you can move on.
33:02
Speaker 1: You're not picking up a fifth year option. And I'm
33:04
Speaker 1: not trying to beat up the Raiders on this. It
33:06
Speaker 1: was a completely different GM and head coach who were awful,
33:09
Speaker 1: I mean terrible at their jobs. But one thing forever,
33:15
Speaker 1: when the Raiders were from the moment they traded Gruden
33:18
Speaker 1: and lost that super Bowl and then kind of went
33:20
Speaker 1: on that run of just embarrassing draft day moments, it
33:25
Speaker 1: was always like, hey could have add Calvin Johnson, could
33:27
Speaker 1: add Aaron Rodgers could add this guy, could add that guy.
33:31
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson went seventh, Bjon Robinson went eighth, Jalen Carter
33:36
Speaker 1: went ninth, and Darnell Right, the Bears left tackle, went tenth. Now,
33:42
Speaker 1: I understand Jhon Robinson, you had Josh Jacobs at the time,
33:45
Speaker 1: but Jalen Carter, Darnell Right the next I mean all
33:47
Speaker 1: three of those guys. I think Darnell Right last year
33:50
Speaker 1: was an All Pro, Jalen Carter clearly a little bit
33:53
Speaker 1: of a red flag, one of the most talented guys
33:55
Speaker 1: in the draft. And Bijon you could argue pound for
33:57
Speaker 1: pounds like the best player in the NFL. I mean,
34:01
Speaker 1: he's a running back that would go I remember texting
34:03
Speaker 1: a personnel guy last year, like, what do you think
34:06
Speaker 1: they'd get for Bijon? Like two ones and two twos?
34:09
Speaker 1: Like his haul would be enormous in the prime of
34:12
Speaker 1: his career, and running backs don't even cost that much
34:15
Speaker 1: even if you want to give him an extension. So
34:17
Speaker 1: it's just it's one of those raider moments. Luckily we've
34:21
Speaker 1: turned the corner, got Fernando, got Crosby back. Vibes are high,
34:25
Speaker 1: but that hopefully that was like the last embarrassing moment
34:30
Speaker 1: for the Raiders offseason. It's like you took Tyree Wilson,
34:34
Speaker 1: which was kind of crazy, you know. It was one
34:37
Speaker 1: of those that you know, the couple months like combined
34:40
Speaker 1: to the draft, it just was this momentum momentum, momentum momentum.
34:44
Speaker 1: It always happens during the draft time because if your
34:48
Speaker 1: stocks rising yet, we're not playing any football. Some of
34:51
Speaker 1: these guys haven't played football since like early December. It's like,
34:55
Speaker 1: how does this stock rise in March. It's because there's
34:58
Speaker 1: not much else to do now. And I get it
35:00
Speaker 1: the more you get to know a guy. But with
35:02
Speaker 1: some of these defensive players, especially defensive ends, I remember
35:07
Speaker 1: Jim Washburn taught me this and I'll never forget it.
35:10
Speaker 1: He's like some people just have the instincts against the
35:12
Speaker 1: quarterback and some people don't. And it's typically not one
35:15
Speaker 1: of those things that you learned as you play in
35:17
Speaker 1: the league for longer. It's like Howard Mudd you say
35:19
Speaker 1: about offensive linemen, this notion that you can build strength
35:25
Speaker 1: typically your anchor and your power at twenty your functional power.
35:29
Speaker 1: You might be able to add weight room strength, but
35:31
Speaker 1: your functional power as a guard or a center does
35:35
Speaker 1: not necessarily change from twenty two to twenty eight. Even
35:40
Speaker 1: if your bench press max or squat max goes up
35:43
Speaker 1: ten fifteen to twenty percent, your functional strength never changes
35:47
Speaker 1: in your ability to rush the pass or just because
35:49
Speaker 1: you have all these physical gifts. There's a long line
35:53
Speaker 1: of these freak athletes, like I don't think he was
35:55
Speaker 1: that good in college. Yeah, but he's six', five he's two.
35:58
Speaker 1: Ninety he can jump over, house you can run like a.
36:01
Speaker 1: Deer it's, like, yeah but he's just not really good at.
36:04
Speaker 1: Football it's, like, well but all these measurables take him
36:07
Speaker 1: Sixth it's, like, well three years later's, like, yeah he
36:09
Speaker 1: just can't really. Play before we get into the Mailbag Dad,
36:14
Speaker 1: diaries you, know it's Funny maria And jack are gone
36:18
Speaker 1: for the week that she had a wedding shower that
36:21
Speaker 1: she's in that she flew home to Northern california four
36:24
Speaker 1: and she's staying with her mom kind of hanging, out
36:27
Speaker 1: and she keeps giving me, grief like you're so glad we're.
36:29
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36:33
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36:35
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36:37
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36:40
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36:44
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36:46
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36:49
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36:54
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36:58
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37:01
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37:03
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37:06
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37:09
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37:13
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37:15
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37:17
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37:20
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Speaker 1: War but once they become a little bit more consistent
37:27
Speaker 1: in the way they, live you get kind of sad
37:30
Speaker 1: when they're. Gone and we've already talked because that like
37:34
Speaker 1: the four four and a half month, reigns they usually
37:36
Speaker 1: go to their old room OR i mean their old.
37:39
Speaker 1: Room they never they've only been with. You but they
37:41
Speaker 1: can go to their own room and sleep in their own.
37:43
Speaker 1: Crib And i've told Him maria, like, no he's Not
37:46
Speaker 1: we're not putting him in that. Room i'd be, sad
37:48
Speaker 1: like he can't sleep not around. Us so you, know
37:52
Speaker 1: you talk a big, game but then you get a little,
37:53
Speaker 1: sappy and you know you miss the little guy because
37:57
Speaker 1: you're just you're used to seeing them every, day holding
37:59
Speaker 1: them every, day wiping his, butt and then he's just
38:02
Speaker 1: gone and you can play golf in the. Afternoon let's
38:17
Speaker 1: do some mailbad questions At John. Middlecoff At John middlecoff
38:21
Speaker 1: is The instagram firing those. Dms get your questions answered
38:25
Speaker 1: here on the. Show you guys know the drill part
38:30
Speaker 1: of my excuse To she, said could you just do the?
38:31
Speaker 1: Podcast could you just come with? Us i'm, like, well
38:34
Speaker 1: the draft gotta do my. Taxes i'm a big tax extension.
38:38
Speaker 1: Guy it's the way this. BIT i gotta go through
38:41
Speaker 1: all my. EXPENSES i did not keep very good. Records
38:43
Speaker 1: It's i've been dreading. IT i WAS i was supposed
38:46
Speaker 1: to do it today and THEN i just, like, oh
38:48
Speaker 1: do it, tomorrow, Tomorrow. Wednesday looking through credit card statements
38:53
Speaker 1: is Just i'd rather pull hair out THAT i don't even.
38:56
Speaker 1: Have okay From, patrick can you talk about how teams
39:02
Speaker 1: hold themselves? ACCOUNTABLE i get team successes measured by their
39:05
Speaker 1: record and playoff. Appearances but all anyone says after a
39:08
Speaker 1: draft grades don't, Matter let's see how the class. Performs
39:12
Speaker 1: but then no one evaluated on the draft two to
39:14
Speaker 1: five years ago from. Now by all, Accounts lynch has
39:17
Speaker 1: been awful the last five years drafting because of their
39:20
Speaker 1: goofy penchant to. Reach they've been saved by party seventh
39:25
Speaker 1: round rookie contract and free, agents which is no longer.
39:27
Speaker 1: Possible niners fans know the end is coming because building
39:30
Speaker 1: outside the draft is not. Sustainable you will not be
39:34
Speaker 1: held accountable for poor drafts if you keep, Winning so
39:39
Speaker 1: as long as they are competitive and make the, playoffs
39:44
Speaker 1: they will not be held. Accountable and no one is
39:48
Speaker 1: held accountable unless you. Lose so this gets back To
39:54
Speaker 1: Trey lance's draft trade is an all time. Disaster he
39:59
Speaker 1: was not on the team week, three or excuse, me year,
40:03
Speaker 1: three week. One think about that they traded pick twelve
40:07
Speaker 1: and two other. Ones the guy did not make it
40:10
Speaker 1: to year, three week, one and it did not matter at. All,
40:16
Speaker 1: now If Rock purty never existed and they were in
40:19
Speaker 1: Some Jacoby, Brissett Gardner minshew just kind of that, world
40:25
Speaker 1: they probably would have got fired if they were just
40:28
Speaker 1: losing and it was a. Nightmare but they haven't, lost
40:32
Speaker 1: so it's as long as they keep. Winning people can
40:39
Speaker 1: nitpick the drafts all they, want but that's all that.
40:42
Speaker 1: MATTERS i do think their draft class last year is
40:44
Speaker 1: gonna be, good AND i do think it's fair to,
40:46
Speaker 1: say like this draft pick sucks or this draft pick's.
40:50
Speaker 1: Great we've been hearing that my entire, life and you
40:55
Speaker 1: just never, Know you truly never. Know SO i think
41:00
Speaker 1: everyone just needs a calm. Down if they go eight
41:04
Speaker 1: to nine this year and missed the, playoffs then, yeah
41:06
Speaker 1: there's gonna BE i, say hell to. Pay it's not
41:09
Speaker 1: like they're gonna get, fired but it would be a.
41:11
Speaker 1: Problem but if you tell me they're eleven and six
41:15
Speaker 1: in the fifth seed or the sixth seed and win
41:18
Speaker 1: a playoff, game that's what. Matters Packer, fan My, buddies
41:23
Speaker 1: And iron a heated Debate Gudakin's laflor Versus kyle And.
41:26
Speaker 1: LYNCH i think is the S i think it's THE sf.
41:31
Speaker 1: Operation but all my buddies think is the. Backers they're
41:34
Speaker 1: pointing to whift draft picks and head scratching personnel moves
41:37
Speaker 1: with their. Roster they also Think sala Carried kyle and
41:39
Speaker 1: his two stints. THERE i wouldn't go that, far UH.
41:43
Speaker 1: I i would say, this if you told ME i
41:48
Speaker 1: could take let's separate the Two, Gudakins John, Lynch kyle And.
41:53
Speaker 1: LAFLOOR i think everyone in THE nfl would rather Have
41:56
Speaker 1: Kyle shanahan Than Matt. Lafleur if you told ME i
42:00
Speaker 1: was an owner AND i just had to hire one
42:01
Speaker 1: of the two, GMS i would Hire Brian. GUDIKINS i
42:06
Speaker 1: don't even Think i'd think. Twice so IF i had
42:08
Speaker 1: to hire them both, INDEPENDENTLY i would Take Kyle shanahan
42:12
Speaker 1: Over Matt. LAFLEUR i think everyone agrees with, me AND
42:15
Speaker 1: i would Take gudikins Over John. Lynch Gouda kins have
42:18
Speaker 1: been doing this his whole. Life you're gonna have bad,
42:21
Speaker 1: Drafts you're gonna have. Mispicks gudakins is JUST i Think
42:25
Speaker 1: goodikins is really. Good now people are nitpicking their, draft
42:28
Speaker 1: BUT i think his resume speaks for, itself AND i
42:32
Speaker 1: think the way he Handled Deerreon rodgers, situation which wasn't.
42:34
Speaker 1: EASY i Think gutakins is really, good But Kyle shanahan's
42:38
Speaker 1: better Than La. Floor now as a package, DEAL i
42:41
Speaker 1: would just LEAN i WOULD i would always take the better,
42:43
Speaker 1: coach just LIKE i would always take the better. Quarterback
42:47
Speaker 1: SO i would take the package deal Of kyle And
42:49
Speaker 1: lynch Over gudikins And La. Floor hope you're doing. Well
42:53
Speaker 1: how about my? Guy Dan? Morgan stacked a couple good,
42:55
Speaker 1: drafts smart free agency, signings and now he gives every
42:59
Speaker 1: area scout chance to speak at their own press. Conference
43:02
Speaker 1: really enjoy the vibes around the building and the positive
43:04
Speaker 1: direction we're headed toward with a young, court especially after
43:07
Speaker 1: those dark times Of matt. Rule how would you assess
43:10
Speaker 1: the overall job he's done so? Far all the best he's,
43:13
Speaker 1: DONE a good. JOB i got a good buddy that
43:15
Speaker 1: works on the, staff loves, him loves, Him John schneider loves.
43:20
Speaker 1: Him SO i Think Dan morgan's kind of a, throwback
43:24
Speaker 1: probably much more like your TYPICAL gm that you would
43:26
Speaker 1: have saw WHEN i was a, kid you, know former,
43:28
Speaker 1: player just a guys. Guy but they have a good.
43:34
Speaker 1: Roster it's not his. Fault but the question is Is
43:38
Speaker 1: bryce good? Enough because if you told, me let's just
43:41
Speaker 1: pick A if you told Me Dak prescott Was carolina's
43:45
Speaker 1: quarterback Or Jared goff Was carolina's quarterback Or Brock, purdy you,
43:49
Speaker 1: know someone's like seven to twelve kind of that, Range
43:53
Speaker 1: i'd be, like they're gonna win twelve. Games it's Just
43:55
Speaker 1: i'm just not sold on a guy that's five to
43:57
Speaker 1: nine at one hundred and ninety. POUNDS i know he
44:00
Speaker 1: had good some good moments late in the, season in
44:02
Speaker 1: a good moment in the you, know he was pretty
44:04
Speaker 1: productive in that playoff game against The. Rams But i'm with.
44:08
Speaker 1: YOU i like their. DRAFT i definitely like because who they.
44:13
Speaker 1: Take they took The george offensive. Lineman they Signed Jalen
44:17
Speaker 1: phillips this. Offseason you, Know teed McMillan was an excellent
44:21
Speaker 1: pick last. Year their offensive line. Solid, YEAH i think they're.
44:28
Speaker 1: SOLID i Think carolina is pretty good. Team, honestly if
44:31
Speaker 1: you just gave them Like Baker mayfield With, carolina which
44:34
Speaker 1: ironically he was there for a split. SECOND i WOULD
44:39
Speaker 1: i would pick him to be to win the. Division
44:42
Speaker 1: i'm a Lifelong cards, fan AND i suffered who knows
44:46
Speaker 1: this organization and has proven to be incapable of a
44:49
Speaker 1: forty chess. Move that's. It i'm hoping you can offer
44:52
Speaker 1: a silver. Lining The jets have three first meaning the
44:56
Speaker 1: only way to ensure you get the first pick at
44:58
Speaker 1: the quarterback in twenty seven is to. Earn do you
45:01
Speaker 1: see The cardinals draft a long term play for next
45:04
Speaker 1: year's quarterback class or is this another example of a
45:07
Speaker 1: nept ownership doing a nept ownership. THINGS i just think
45:12
Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell how this is gonna play.
45:14
Speaker 1: Out The jets are not gonna draft one. Overall i'd
45:20
Speaker 1: be stunned if you tell Me gino plays twelve. Games
45:25
Speaker 1: they have enough talent on that roster to win three or.
45:28
Speaker 1: Four so if you win four or five, games you're
45:31
Speaker 1: much more likely to draft somewhere between seven and eleven
45:34
Speaker 1: than you are number. One, Now miami could be really,
45:37
Speaker 1: bad could be really really, bad AND i think there
45:40
Speaker 1: would be a very strong. Chance if they're really, bad you,
45:44
Speaker 1: Know malik could just ride it out for another years
45:46
Speaker 1: like The, mentor and then draft a. Quarterback the thing
45:49
Speaker 1: you guys have going for you is your division's, unreal
45:53
Speaker 1: so you're gonna lose most of those. GAMES i actually
45:55
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty easy. One is you just Play
45:58
Speaker 1: Carson beck all season and ideally you just lose a
46:02
Speaker 1: lot of, games and then next year you're in the
46:04
Speaker 1: position because if The, jets if a team is drafting
46:07
Speaker 1: number one overall and they have a, quarterback then The
46:12
Speaker 1: jets it's so easy for them to get up because
46:14
Speaker 1: they have so much to offer in a draft that's
46:16
Speaker 1: gonna be viewed in theory is much better in this.
46:19
Speaker 1: Year SO i think on the bright note is you
46:24
Speaker 1: definitely have some core pieces that if you can get
46:26
Speaker 1: a capable, quarterback could be pretty. SOLID i was a
46:30
Speaker 1: Big Carson beck hater At. GEORGIA i thought he was
46:33
Speaker 1: pretty good down the, stretch and if he can just
46:36
Speaker 1: turn into some like game manager version of like a
46:40
Speaker 1: Shittier flacco or, something maybe he could be. Okay BUT
46:45
Speaker 1: i don't THINK i mentioned this when we talked About carson,
46:48
Speaker 1: back but it wouldn't shock me If Carson beck is
46:51
Speaker 1: just the starting. QUARTERBACK i mean he's how many years
46:54
Speaker 1: he been in. College he's been a multi year st
46:58
Speaker 1: starter multiple, places played on two of the best teams
47:00
Speaker 1: in the country both times in his. Career SO i
47:04
Speaker 1: would just start them week. One find out what you,
47:06
Speaker 1: have even If jacoby's. Better can you please help The
47:12
Speaker 1: niners in the? DRAFT a strong bald presence is needed
47:14
Speaker 1: in the war. ROOM i think their number two guy
47:16
Speaker 1: is bold in all. Seriousness why does it seem like
47:20
Speaker 1: their scouts have completely different big board than the rest
47:22
Speaker 1: of the. LEAGUE i think you can never underestimate the
47:25
Speaker 1: power of a, coach and these coaches are in. CHARGE
47:29
Speaker 1: i don't think most front office, people regardless you, know
47:35
Speaker 1: with the with the roster that The broncos, HAVE i
47:39
Speaker 1: would imagine if you pulled EVERY gm in the, LEAGUE
47:41
Speaker 1: i don't think many of them make The wattle. Trade
47:44
Speaker 1: not Because waddle is not going to be better than
47:46
Speaker 1: anyone to pick, thirty but when you factor in, financially the,
47:49
Speaker 1: maneuverability the optionality of having the, PICK i just don't
47:53
Speaker 1: think anyone does. That you know who does those? Trades coaches, now,
47:57
Speaker 1: listen sometimes it. WORKS i thought when they traded For
48:00
Speaker 1: christian McCaffrey was. Insane they have him second to third
48:02
Speaker 1: and the fourth that he had been injured a. Bunch i'm,
48:04
Speaker 1: like he's making a ton of. MONEY i thought it
48:06
Speaker 1: was insanely. Risky kyle didn't Because kyle doesn't care about.
48:10
Speaker 1: Picks Sean payton doesn't care about. Picks The saints always
48:14
Speaker 1: moved up With Sean. Payton why because he's living in the.
48:16
Speaker 1: Now SO i Think Kyle shanahan goes stribbling the old
48:19
Speaker 1: miss wide receiver WHO i think was pretty well. Liked
48:22
Speaker 1: Like i've, seen that pick is. Controversial everyone THAT i
48:28
Speaker 1: know liked. Him so could you would you like him
48:31
Speaker 1: more at pick forty five than you do it pick thirty? Three,
48:33
Speaker 1: okay BUT i don't think that pick's that. Crazy, now
48:38
Speaker 1: taking a running back that didn't go the combine that
48:40
Speaker 1: might have been there in the fifth, round we can
48:43
Speaker 1: debate that they have a long history of taking third
48:46
Speaker 1: round running backs that are a. Nightmare obviously once took
48:48
Speaker 1: a kicker in the third. ROUND i get. It they
48:50
Speaker 1: bring it upon. THEMSELVES i do not have an issue
48:53
Speaker 1: with the with the h third round, pick or excuse,
48:57
Speaker 1: me the the third. PICK i. Don't i've talked to
49:02
Speaker 1: enough people in the league That Super bowl. Rings that
49:05
Speaker 1: are position coaches that really really liked. Him So i'm
49:08
Speaker 1: not as down on. That AND i think everyone in
49:12
Speaker 1: the running back WHENEVER i Watch, INDIANA i probably have.
49:15
Speaker 1: Tweets i'm, like who is? This who is? Black this
49:19
Speaker 1: backup running? BACK i THOUGHT i thought he was a.
49:21
Speaker 1: BALLER i get, it he's, smaller it wasn't that productive
49:24
Speaker 1: in the passing. GAME i liked him WHEN i Watched indiana.
49:28
Speaker 1: PLAY i think he's a good. Player now third round
49:31
Speaker 1: into the third. Round like, again this gets back to
49:36
Speaker 1: this draft is less especially once you got past like pick,
49:40
Speaker 1: fifty about your typical consensus board manipulating the. Value it's,
49:46
Speaker 1: like just take care. You, LIKE i can't overstate this
49:50
Speaker 1: enough how poorly this draft was viewed by the scouting.
49:54
Speaker 1: Community Like I've i've never heard so much negativity around
49:58
Speaker 1: the draft, ever not saying these. Guys that doesn't mean
50:04
Speaker 1: whether these guys are gonna be good players or, not
50:07
Speaker 1: but just BASE a lot of these guys were like
50:09
Speaker 1: fifth and six year. Players so it's JUST i think people,
50:14
Speaker 1: go is this guy gonna get any? Better giants fan
50:19
Speaker 1: majority of our fan base really questioned THE rvl rees
50:22
Speaker 1: pick at. Five given we Have, Thibodeau, carter And, burns
50:26
Speaker 1: there wasn't a mock Outside schreger that even Had reese
50:29
Speaker 1: slipping past The. Titans as a, result styles and downs
50:33
Speaker 1: end up on division, rivalries Seeing reese offer a much
50:37
Speaker 1: different set of past us skills as our current edge
50:40
Speaker 1: and outside linebacker. Group do you think The giants will
50:42
Speaker 1: have made the right decision between The Ohio state defenders
50:45
Speaker 1: in the? Draft harbaugh, said they're playing rees at inside,
50:49
Speaker 1: linebacker off ball. Linebacker he seems like a bounty hunter
50:51
Speaker 1: of a. Player harbaugh felt WHEN i watched, him pretty
50:58
Speaker 1: confident that this fits our vision of what we want
51:01
Speaker 1: to do on, defense and he was. Adamant you guys will.
51:03
Speaker 1: SEE i give him the benefit of the doubt because
51:07
Speaker 1: he has been around one of the best defensive organizations
51:09
Speaker 1: for eighteen years and they've had a lot of different
51:13
Speaker 1: type players and they've made them become all pros and
51:15
Speaker 1: high end. Guys so if you would have told me
51:17
Speaker 1: this is an offensive guy with the similar conversation around,
51:21
Speaker 1: IT i don't. Know that's a little. Risky i'm gonna
51:25
Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt of a front
51:27
Speaker 1: seven Player he's had a pretty good life, experience even
51:32
Speaker 1: going back To Jim johnson and The eagles in the
51:34
Speaker 1: two thousands when he works For Andy, reid, like he's
51:38
Speaker 1: seen a lot of elite defensive. Players SO i think most,
51:43
Speaker 1: people given the opportunity at pick. FIVE i IF i
51:48
Speaker 1: pulled EVERY gm in the league said would you TAKE
51:50
Speaker 1: Rvl reas Or Caleb downs at pick, FIVE i think
51:53
Speaker 1: everyone's TAKEN Rvl reas because of the. Upside It's caleb
51:56
Speaker 1: down is going to be better. Immediately of, course It's
51:59
Speaker 1: Caleb downs gonna be a really good. Player of, course
52:01
Speaker 1: is he gonna Make Pro? BOWLS i would bet on.
52:03
Speaker 1: It Rvel reeves has a chance to be one of
52:06
Speaker 1: the best players in the. League SO i it's just
52:09
Speaker 1: it's just a riskier. Pick his ceiling is as high
52:13
Speaker 1: as anybody in this. Draft it's probably the, highest AND
52:16
Speaker 1: i think IT'S i don't Think john cares About Kavon.
52:20
Speaker 1: THIBODEAU i also Think Brian burns will not be on
52:22
Speaker 1: this team in a. Year you'll trade him. Away it's
52:24
Speaker 1: kind of like The Dj moore. Thing it's, like remember
52:27
Speaker 1: last year when they Took lovelin And Luther burden and
52:30
Speaker 1: everyone's like they already Got Cole, Comet Roma dunz AND Dj.
52:34
Speaker 1: Moore it's, like, well a couple of those guys over
52:37
Speaker 1: the course of the next couple of years will not
52:38
Speaker 1: be on the. Team that's just the kind of the
52:40
Speaker 1: way the business. Works SO I I i understand. IT i.
52:45
Speaker 1: Do now what would they have done if the? TITLE
52:50
Speaker 1: i think The titan's Taken tate at four AND i get,
52:54
Speaker 1: it like they really need a wide. Receiver they just
52:57
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback number one. Overall their receiver. TERRIBLE i
53:02
Speaker 1: just have a hard time of like it's like taking
53:05
Speaker 1: you know when when THE i know he played better this,
53:07
Speaker 1: year but when The packers Took Van ass, like well
53:09
Speaker 1: he never. Started Marvin williams when he went number two
53:12
Speaker 1: in THE Nba, Draft well he didn't even. Start it's
53:14
Speaker 1: like you can't even start on your own college. Team
53:16
Speaker 1: like that makes that makes me worried If i'm gonna
53:20
Speaker 1: take you at fourth, Overall it's, like, oh he's never
53:21
Speaker 1: been the number one wide. Receiver, wait he's never IF
53:24
Speaker 1: i imagine if you didn't know anything About Ohio state
53:27
Speaker 1: or college, football AND i, said the guy The titans
53:29
Speaker 1: just took was never the number one wide receiver on
53:33
Speaker 1: his own. Team i'd be, like, well did he play
53:36
Speaker 1: with Like Calvin johnson And Julio. Jones it's, Like, wow
53:39
Speaker 1: he played with a couple other guys that went in
53:40
Speaker 1: the late teens early, twenties but he wasn't. Better, no
53:44
Speaker 1: he's not better than those. Guys and then the guy
53:46
Speaker 1: that's coming back is just a much better. PROSPECT i,
53:48
Speaker 1: mean there's a chance That Jeremiah. Smith let's just let's
53:52
Speaker 1: just game this. Out let's say this quarterback class does
53:55
Speaker 1: live up to the hype and three quarterbacks go, one, two.
53:59
Speaker 1: Three what If Jeremiah smith is the fourth overall, pick
54:02
Speaker 1: he will have gone as the same pick As carnell
54:04
Speaker 1: Tap Now, borganzi who, Again i'm rooting for these. GUYS
54:08
Speaker 1: i Like Mike. Morganzi one of my best friends in
54:11
Speaker 1: the league is very close with. HIM i introduced myself
54:14
Speaker 1: To borganzi The combine we bs for a. Minute i'm
54:17
Speaker 1: a Huge Robert solid, guy SO i, understand, like, hey
54:21
Speaker 1: we need an offensive weapon once the running back Goes
54:24
Speaker 1: he by far was our number one. Player it's a bad.
54:27
Speaker 1: DRAFT i personally and again that they do this for a.
54:31
Speaker 1: LIVING i would have gone defense, There Sonny styles Or,
54:35
Speaker 1: reese and then just taking a wide receiver in the second.
54:38
Speaker 1: Round that's WHAT i would have. Done what do you
54:42
Speaker 1: think of The chiefs pick up Of? Nessmeier going into last,
54:45
Speaker 1: season him and Club nick were talked about as overall.
54:48
Speaker 1: Picks is he development and flip? Candidate, WELL i think
54:54
Speaker 1: after his junior season he was viewed as a guy
54:57
Speaker 1: that was gonna be a first round. Pick you, know
54:59
Speaker 1: his traits Are he's kind of more of A cousins type,
55:02
Speaker 1: player like The cousins At Michigan. State not a great,
55:04
Speaker 1: athlete not a huge, arm just a solid. Player and
55:07
Speaker 1: then this year was a, disaster and it turns out
55:09
Speaker 1: it was because the cist he had on a spine
55:12
Speaker 1: that caused the abdominal pain and he was injured before
55:14
Speaker 1: even going Into week, one and by the end of
55:17
Speaker 1: the season he got ben. Slash it was. Injury it
55:19
Speaker 1: was a nightmare year for. HIM a very cool, moment you,
55:23
Speaker 1: know when he got drafted with his family And, doug his,
55:26
Speaker 1: dad who's the offensive coordinator for The. Saints BUT i
55:29
Speaker 1: think the chief just went. ONE i don't know enough
55:31
Speaker 1: about this cyst on the back is as something that's
55:33
Speaker 1: gonna have to get. Removed but let's just say he's
55:35
Speaker 1: fully healthy and he's. Recovered that's pretty freaking good. Value,
55:40
Speaker 1: like if you tell me they're both, Healthy i'll Take
55:42
Speaker 1: nessmeyer all day Over Club. NICK i wanted to Like
55:45
Speaker 1: clubnick Like i've always Enjoyed. DABBO i know he's got
55:48
Speaker 1: a lot of, haters BUT i enjoy him because he
55:49
Speaker 1: has his team FULL nfl. Players SO i enjoyed When
55:53
Speaker 1: trevor And deshaun were there because they were a fun
55:54
Speaker 1: team to. Watch SO i when Kid clubnick kind of
55:58
Speaker 1: became their, guy it was, like, hey this guy from,
55:59
Speaker 1: ten he's gonna be a. Baller when he beat out
56:03
Speaker 1: almost A Dj, Lagway but what's DJ's last? Name the
56:08
Speaker 1: former big recruit who's transferred. AROUND i forget his last.
56:11
Speaker 1: Name his brother plays For oregon as a defensive. Lineman
56:16
Speaker 1: but he just wasn't any. Good and Then Club nick came.
56:18
Speaker 1: IN i think people Thought Club nick was gonna be
56:20
Speaker 1: a high end player and he just wasn't any, good
56:23
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing got. Derailed question for the,
56:26
Speaker 1: Bag SO i GUESS i think Ness meyer has a
56:30
Speaker 1: chance to compete to be the number two. GUY i,
56:32
Speaker 1: mean if he's, Healthy fields is obviously a much better
56:35
Speaker 1: athlete and more dynamic and has way more. Experience BUT
56:39
Speaker 1: i think Nes meyer could be a solid backup in
56:41
Speaker 1: the league for a long. TIME i think there are
56:44
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities when Healthy Garrett nessmeyer with like Mac,
56:49
Speaker 1: Jones Canny. Pickett those guys were driving in the first.
56:53
Speaker 1: Round so you get the similar type player in the.
56:55
Speaker 1: Seventh that's. Value that's value question for The what is
57:00
Speaker 1: your opinion of the niners twenty six. DRAFTS i know
57:03
Speaker 1: you have some close connections to the front office and
57:05
Speaker 1: probably don't want to go too hard on, them BUT
57:07
Speaker 1: i Not the niners first three picks are. ATROCIOUS i
57:10
Speaker 1: feel like the old miss wide receiver would have been
57:12
Speaker 1: there in the third and was way over drafted at thirty.
57:15
Speaker 1: Three the edge they took while with their second pick
57:18
Speaker 1: is twenty five years, old coming off two shoulder surgeries
57:20
Speaker 1: and played at four. Colleges the running back out Of
57:22
Speaker 1: indiana is a six year, player and we all Know
57:24
Speaker 1: kyle is swung and miss on. BACKS i will say
57:27
Speaker 1: this on the pass, rusher the. Dude they their second
57:30
Speaker 1: pick From Texas tech that was arguably the best defensive
57:33
Speaker 1: line in the country right With bailey the tackle. Him,
57:36
Speaker 1: like so when you're watching these, guys one of the
57:39
Speaker 1: things they loved about him was how hard he. Played
57:41
Speaker 1: now he's, older transferred, around been banged, up a little
57:44
Speaker 1: bit of a tweener. Body BUT i just don't have
57:48
Speaker 1: as big of an issue like all these. Guys if
57:51
Speaker 1: if Your kno's gonna be there twenty four to twenty
57:53
Speaker 1: five years, old that was this. Draft Eric tacosta said
57:56
Speaker 1: it like a month. Ago he's, like the nil fucked.
58:00
Speaker 1: Us we got all these twenty four to twenty five year.
58:02
Speaker 1: Olds it sucks they don't want to draft twenty five year.
58:05
Speaker 1: Olds but when your best players in the draft are
58:06
Speaker 1: twenty five years, old what are you supposed to. Do
58:08
Speaker 1: if we want to argue about the running, back that's.
58:11
Speaker 1: FAIR i don't think the wide receiver would have been
58:14
Speaker 1: there with their next. PICK i feel pretty confident saying
58:16
Speaker 1: the wide receiver was gonna go in the top. Fifty
58:19
Speaker 1: so if he's let's game this. Out if he's going
58:20
Speaker 1: in the top, fifty let's just pick a random, number
58:22
Speaker 1: pick forty. Six is there that big of a difference
58:25
Speaker 1: if you can't trade they'd already traded back. Twice so
58:28
Speaker 1: if you can get the guy at thirty three that
58:30
Speaker 1: someone else is gonna take a forty, six you're not picking.
58:32
Speaker 1: Again do you Think John, schneider IF i, like would
58:36
Speaker 1: have loved to get the running back with this second,
58:39
Speaker 1: Pick but he knows he's probably go like pick fifty
58:42
Speaker 1: four and be drafted BEFORE i. Pick so part of
58:45
Speaker 1: it is playing that. Game we love this, Guy we've
58:48
Speaker 1: isolated this. Guy now you could, argue shouldn't you have a,
58:50
Speaker 1: Cluster but EVERYONE i know likes the wide. Receiver everyone's
58:55
Speaker 1: acting Like stribbling was gonna go in the fourth. ROUND
58:57
Speaker 1: i don't view it that. Way he was extremely productive
59:00
Speaker 1: player that played for one of the best offenses in the,
59:02
Speaker 1: country who is extremely athletically, gifted who's, fast who's, big
59:07
Speaker 1: who makes contested, catches is great with the ball in his.
59:10
Speaker 1: HANDS i get the running back didn't go to the
59:12
Speaker 1: combine jmu transfer With, signetti BUT i like. HIM i like.
59:19
Speaker 1: HIM i gotta do more digging on the d lineman
59:22
Speaker 1: From Texas, tech But i'm not gonna get too emotionally
59:28
Speaker 1: spent on that. ONE i DON'T i just don't think
59:31
Speaker 1: it's as. CRAZY i think part of the reason The
59:33
Speaker 1: niners are such a controversial draft is because of shribbling
59:37
Speaker 1: at thirty, three BECAUSE i think most people thought he
59:39
Speaker 1: was gonna be there like seventy, five AND i JUST
59:42
Speaker 1: i that's just not. True love the. Show, everybody Especially,
59:47
Speaker 1: colin is telling me The Big tens dominance over THE.
59:49
Speaker 1: Sec i'm still not. Sold so let's strip out the
59:53
Speaker 1: emotion and the bias and just look at the. Data
59:56
Speaker 1: i'm gonna call Them CONFERENCE a And CONFERENCE. B CONFERENCE
59:59
Speaker 1: a have the nowational, champion put three teams in the
1:00:02
Speaker 1: top sixteen and produced twenty nine players draft in the
1:00:05
Speaker 1: first three rounds from ten. Schools CONFERENCE b had seven
1:00:10
Speaker 1: teams in the top, sixteen produced thirty six players drafted
1:00:14
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds from fourteen, schools and is
1:00:17
Speaker 1: notoriously harder venues to play in top to. Bottom take
1:00:21
Speaker 1: it out. Bias who do you think is the Superior
1:00:23
Speaker 1: CONFERENCE A Arb, well given that we know who won
1:00:26
Speaker 1: the national, championship CLEARLY i think THE sec ended up
1:00:31
Speaker 1: having more guys, drafted and you're always going to have
1:00:34
Speaker 1: more draftable players from the random schools in THE sec
1:00:39
Speaker 1: than you are At, rutgers, right Or. Maryland So Mississippi
1:00:43
Speaker 1: state's gonna have a guy go in the second, round,
1:00:46
Speaker 1: Right florida was shitty and had a guy go in
1:00:50
Speaker 1: the top, twenty so they. Are vanderbilt has become a
1:00:55
Speaker 1: power Right, Obviously ole miss is Elite, Now TEXAS a
1:00:59
Speaker 1: AND n storm their hat in the. Ring THE sec
1:01:03
Speaker 1: has more talent and has had more talent forever than
1:01:09
Speaker 1: the than The Big, ten top to, bottom they have
1:01:12
Speaker 1: more top to bottom, athletes that's for. Sure the one
1:01:17
Speaker 1: thing that has changed, though is at the top their
1:01:20
Speaker 1: teams aren't as. DOMINANT i also think gaming this like
1:01:26
Speaker 1: got my, ALLERGIES nil has really changed the, Game so
1:01:33
Speaker 1: there's somewhat of a randomness to you know you're talking.
1:01:38
Speaker 1: To it used to be, like, HEY i want to
1:01:40
Speaker 1: go play At. GEORGIA i want to go play At.
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Texas now you might end up At nebraska if they're paying.
1:01:45
Speaker 1: Anymore it's clear we have a two team. SUPERIORITY i
1:01:50
Speaker 1: think the question mark is Because Ohio state's kind of the.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: BAR i know they didn't win, it but they've sustained
1:01:56
Speaker 1: it a lot. Longer In. Indiana if we Assume indiana
1:01:59
Speaker 1: is now just, good we Know oregon's a top ten
1:02:01
Speaker 1: team every. Year IF usc can ever just get their shit,
1:02:05
Speaker 1: together which they have on, paper a much better. Team
1:02:09
Speaker 1: there is just more. Money so if nil is dictating
1:02:12
Speaker 1: recruiting used to be, like you, Know Kirby smart is
1:02:14
Speaker 1: landing saving. Recruiter you, know it's Like mac Brown Texas sark.
1:02:19
Speaker 1: Recruiting it's all money, now so THE lsu, lane it's
1:02:23
Speaker 1: all it's all. Money SO i view it a little
1:02:26
Speaker 1: bit differently than like the true organic. Nature even if
1:02:30
Speaker 1: you were getting Brown bag for twenty, k there's a
1:02:33
Speaker 1: big difference between twenty k cash and one point two million.
1:02:37
Speaker 1: Dollars SO i just think the two conferences is completely,
1:02:42
Speaker 1: separated and it's kind of. ON i Think texas as
1:02:46
Speaker 1: much as anybody to win the national championship because they
1:02:50
Speaker 1: have their. Resources The ohio, State, Michigan oregon looks Like,
1:02:56
Speaker 1: Indiana Penn. State like that's my, Question like Does alabama
1:03:01
Speaker 1: have the? Money they got eighty, million ninety million to Pay,
1:03:04
Speaker 1: kalin but do they have the money to buy the?
1:03:06
Speaker 1: Roster we're gonna find out what in the actual fuck
1:03:11
Speaker 1: is this? Draft with tight ends in round two and.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: THREE i understand blocking tight ends are, needed but holy,
1:03:17
Speaker 1: shit do these guys feel like major? REACHES i really
1:03:21
Speaker 1: think it's just a reflection of the. Draft like if
1:03:28
Speaker 1: you go to a restaurant and it's like like go TO, cpk,
1:03:33
Speaker 1: Right you're, like, uh you go to one of these
1:03:37
Speaker 1: one of these restaurants where the menu is, gigantic it's,
1:03:40
Speaker 1: like let's just let's just take the just get a.
1:03:42
Speaker 1: Cheeseburger it's hard to screw that. Up you. Know you
1:03:45
Speaker 1: go like sometimes like the shrimp or, something it's, like
1:03:47
Speaker 1: this is a. Disaster there's a reason when you go
1:03:50
Speaker 1: to you, know in and out they got like two.
1:03:52
Speaker 1: Options you, know this, draft there weren't that many deep,
1:03:57
Speaker 1: positions so there were a lot OF nfl players in
1:04:01
Speaker 1: this draft at tight. End now we could debate historically
1:04:04
Speaker 1: would a lot of these guys have gone on the second?
1:04:06
Speaker 1: Day probably, Not but in this individual, draft once one guy,
1:04:11
Speaker 1: goes there's a. Run anyone that plays a stock, market
1:04:14
Speaker 1: sometimes when things are going, bad people just keep selling off,
1:04:17
Speaker 1: right and the momentum goes the other way, too like
1:04:19
Speaker 1: when things are going, well people just keep. Buying it
1:04:22
Speaker 1: just keeps ripping. Up that's kind of how a position
1:04:25
Speaker 1: group in a draft. Works there's always a wide receiver,
1:04:29
Speaker 1: run there's a tight end. Run there was an offensive
1:04:30
Speaker 1: lineman run in the first. Round that was his tight end.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: Draft it wasn't as much of a reflection on how
1:04:36
Speaker 1: great these tight ends, are like it's not Like Tony,
1:04:39
Speaker 1: Gonzalez Travis kelcey And gronkowski And kittle just, Went but
1:04:42
Speaker 1: it was more like who else are we gonna? Take
1:04:44
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with. That it's back
1:04:46
Speaker 1: to my niner. Thing it's. Guys they're not viewed as
1:04:50
Speaker 1: passing on like you, know they just they could have
1:04:53
Speaker 1: like Von miller two point. Zero it's not who they're passing.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: On good time to be a tight, end though, frustrated
1:04:59
Speaker 1: saying it's been widely reported The casey traded up in
1:05:02
Speaker 1: the front of The saints to Get mahomes and now
1:05:04
Speaker 1: it's been reported That casey traded up to get the
1:05:06
Speaker 1: lsu a corner Before saints could get. HIM i love
1:05:09
Speaker 1: the pick we, made but it feels like we have
1:05:11
Speaker 1: A kc mole in the. Building my question is, This
1:05:14
Speaker 1: do gms not care about stuff like? This because IF
1:05:16
Speaker 1: i were making a big acquisition for my business AND
1:05:19
Speaker 1: i got outbid because of a, Leak i'd be. Pissed
1:05:22
Speaker 1: or is it just another example of bad? Organizations BECAUSE
1:05:25
Speaker 1: i don't ever hear about this shit happening With, Schneider
1:05:28
Speaker 1: veitch And. HOWIE i clearly The chiefs felt pretty confident
1:05:33
Speaker 1: that The saints Or washington would have pulled the trigger
1:05:37
Speaker 1: on on. Delaying AND i think this gets back to
1:05:41
Speaker 1: The mahomes. Thing they had it in with the, agent
1:05:44
Speaker 1: and they had worked the, agent and the agent played
1:05:47
Speaker 1: to them in this. SITUATION i just think they're looking
1:05:50
Speaker 1: at it and they Go washington's defense is, horrendous and
1:05:54
Speaker 1: The saints desperately need. Corners so you can just look
1:05:58
Speaker 1: at a roster and all these teams do this like
1:06:00
Speaker 1: team needs boards right that are now probably, digital the
1:06:04
Speaker 1: three or four positions that a team desperately, needs and
1:06:06
Speaker 1: you kind of rank them by, position so you have
1:06:08
Speaker 1: a pretty good. Idea you talk with. AGENTS i think
1:06:12
Speaker 1: the good gms just don't tell other people. Anything, HEY
1:06:16
Speaker 1: i give Lessoning john McVeigh a lot of, credit Assuming
1:06:19
Speaker 1: sean McVay was in on. It they just were quiet about.
1:06:22
Speaker 1: It when you start talking and, listen most people love to.
1:06:26
Speaker 1: Talk most human beings love to tell you about what
1:06:30
Speaker 1: they got going. On whether you work in THE, nfl
1:06:33
Speaker 1: whether you're sitting at an airport and you're selling. Insurance
1:06:35
Speaker 1: people want to talk about. Themselves it's pretty easy to
1:06:39
Speaker 1: get people. Talking look At mike McCarthy and someone in
1:06:41
Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh. Steelers they couldn't keep their mouth shut BECAUSE
1:06:46
Speaker 1: i wouldn't have guessed they would have taken Mackay. Lemon
1:06:48
Speaker 1: but the fucking cowboys knew exactly who they were. Taking
1:06:52
Speaker 1: it's a Very it's the one DEFENSE i would have
1:06:55
Speaker 1: of like McVeigh And lesnie And Kyle. Shanahan they don't
1:07:02
Speaker 1: send any of their people to the. Combine and one
1:07:05
Speaker 1: of the reasons is they don't want him. Talking they
1:07:09
Speaker 1: do not want him. TALKING i think some of these
1:07:11
Speaker 1: teams do this a pro days two because, like, oh,
1:07:14
Speaker 1: yeah we just met the other. Day my guy loves this,
1:07:16
Speaker 1: guy and you just say that just because it's your. Buddy,
1:07:22
Speaker 1: well who do you think that guy when he goes
1:07:24
Speaker 1: back to HIS gm and his head, coach what do
1:07:25
Speaker 1: you think he's telling? Him he wants to look. Good,
1:07:28
Speaker 1: hey my guy just told me they love PLAYER, X
1:07:31
Speaker 1: y AND. Z, well if you like one of those
1:07:33
Speaker 1: three players and they were drafted ahead of, you you
1:07:36
Speaker 1: gotta get. Aggressive and part of, It veach essentially said
1:07:41
Speaker 1: once because The chiefs clearly had three guys that they
1:07:44
Speaker 1: were really interested in that range of the late you, know, six, seven, eight, Nine,
1:07:48
Speaker 1: Right they probably weren't gonna trade With washington or The,
1:07:51
Speaker 1: saints but The browns were clearly willing to go. Back
1:07:54
Speaker 1: so either at six or stay at nine would have
1:07:56
Speaker 1: been a Or Rvel, Reese, Carnel tait and And Delaine Mansord,
1:08:02
Speaker 1: delane WHO i think is gonna be really, good and
1:08:06
Speaker 1: The chiefs are really high on, him like they love this.
1:08:09
Speaker 1: Guy so if you love a guy and he's the
1:08:13
Speaker 1: only guy of the cluster that's still, there and who,
1:08:15
Speaker 1: knows maybe he was ranked higher on the, CLUSTER i haven't,
1:08:18
Speaker 1: asked and you, go they might take. Them even if
1:08:20
Speaker 1: they might take, him we don't want to lose out
1:08:23
Speaker 1: because who were gonna take at. Nine they weren't comfortable
1:08:25
Speaker 1: taking one of those offensive linemen at. Nine clearly they
1:08:28
Speaker 1: didn't view that as one as a, priority and TWO
1:08:33
Speaker 1: i think they wanted to go defense, Too SO i don't.
1:08:36
Speaker 1: Know it's very very difficult for human beings not to
1:08:42
Speaker 1: tell other human, beings especially ones they like what they're,
1:08:44
Speaker 1: thinking and then constantly part of the business we don't
1:08:47
Speaker 1: talk about is you're constantly talking to. Agents, well who
1:08:51
Speaker 1: do you think are the biggest yappers in the. World?
1:08:53
Speaker 1: Agents their whole business is. Talking so you tell them,
1:08:56
Speaker 1: something they're definitely funneling it. Back it's WHAT i say
1:08:58
Speaker 1: all the time about how he's really good at talking
1:09:01
Speaker 1: to people but without saying, much but he gets you
1:09:04
Speaker 1: to say. Stuff SO i don't. KNOW i think The
1:09:09
Speaker 1: saints feel good about like They i've talked to people
1:09:13
Speaker 1: with their team at the, combine like they were they
1:09:16
Speaker 1: were very high on all these wide, receivers like they
1:09:19
Speaker 1: were very now first or second, ROUND i don't know
1:09:21
Speaker 1: which round they were gonna dead set on taking. THEM
1:09:23
Speaker 1: i would say they have also drafted pretty, well SO
1:09:26
Speaker 1: i wouldn't be that man a little risk ofer. Pick
1:09:30
Speaker 1: like if you just told, me would you rather Have
1:09:32
Speaker 1: delaine Or Jordan, TYSON i take THE i just think
1:09:35
Speaker 1: the coroner is a much safer. Bet what's the draft
1:09:42
Speaker 1: day like as a scout from the moment you wake
1:09:44
Speaker 1: up till the end of the. Night, UH i think it.
1:09:48
Speaker 1: Depends most of these, teams their scouts are in the.
1:09:51
Speaker 1: Room so like In, philly the draft doesn't start till
1:09:56
Speaker 1: eight o'clock at. Night so On Draft, day Especially thursday And,
1:10:00
Speaker 1: friday maybe get, in get a, workout you, know you
1:10:04
Speaker 1: get a bunch of cater, food probably do a LITTLE
1:10:07
Speaker 1: i don't, know you just kind of wait around and
1:10:09
Speaker 1: then you, know for most of The area, scouts they're
1:10:14
Speaker 1: probably not talking much the first and second. Round they
1:10:18
Speaker 1: get asked much more questions as the draft goes. On you,
1:10:22
Speaker 1: know typically the top. Guys, honestly most of The area
1:10:25
Speaker 1: scouts don't do much with the top several. Picks besides
1:10:28
Speaker 1: that their reports and their meetings they've already, Had like
1:10:30
Speaker 1: on draft, day they're just kind of in the. Background
1:10:33
Speaker 1: as the draft goes, on they get asked a bunch of.
1:10:36
Speaker 1: Questions you, know you kind of do a thing in
1:10:39
Speaker 1: the draft room every round where you kind of restack the.
1:10:44
Speaker 1: Board you kind of give some guys that maybe you,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: KNOW i, know The eagles do this like pound the
1:10:49
Speaker 1: table thing going Into, saturday where every scout in the
1:10:53
Speaker 1: rooms is one guy that they they really want in
1:10:56
Speaker 1: the fourth through seventh. Round every team's a little diff
1:11:00
Speaker 1: front that. Way you, know some, guys you, know you're
1:11:03
Speaker 1: you see the guys close to YOUR gm and a
1:11:04
Speaker 1: lot of these, videos they're constantly in contact about, ideas
1:11:09
Speaker 1: helping them with. Trades but a lot of guys just
1:11:12
Speaker 1: kind of sitting. There you, know there are a lot
1:11:14
Speaker 1: of scouts in that room who just kind of sit
1:11:17
Speaker 1: there and wait to be called, on. Essentially so it
1:11:20
Speaker 1: depends how high you are up in the. Organization BUT
1:11:23
Speaker 1: i bet there are some scouts around the league that
1:11:25
Speaker 1: feel like they don't have to do much besides just be. Present, Okay,
1:11:42
Speaker 1: well end on this mail back question on The rams less?
1:11:45
Speaker 1: Need did he just bet his job on Ty? Simpson
1:11:47
Speaker 1: pretty sure they could have done the same thing The
1:11:49
Speaker 1: cowboys didn't slid up two spots and take it downs
1:11:52
Speaker 1: in an. Offseason turn your biggest, weakness the, secondary into your.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: Strength what would you have done if not Picking? TYSON
1:12:01
Speaker 1: i think they could have just sat there and taken
1:12:04
Speaker 1: a blue chip. Player like what IF i told you at?
1:12:08
Speaker 1: Thirteen what IF i Told John, Snyder mike, McDonald Kyle,
1:12:11
Speaker 1: Shanahan John lynch they just Added Ruben bain to go
1:12:15
Speaker 1: with all the other sweet defensive linemen they, Had you'd be,
1:12:18
Speaker 1: like holy, shit this notion is, like, well who are
1:12:21
Speaker 1: you gonna how are you gonna pay all these Ruben
1:12:23
Speaker 1: bain's a, rookie you, know deal with that. LATER i
1:12:27
Speaker 1: know for the next couple of, YEARS i got Ruben,
1:12:29
Speaker 1: Bain young Verse, Fisk good fucking luck blocking. That Trent
1:12:36
Speaker 1: williams can't block them. All you, know buckle, up, phellas
1:12:41
Speaker 1: because we're. Coming it's like one of the best players
1:12:44
Speaker 1: in the draft was The Penn State. Guard could have
1:12:47
Speaker 1: taken him to. ME i would have taken Ruben. Bain
1:12:51
Speaker 1: i've just been, like my my front is we get
1:12:55
Speaker 1: we had, McDuffie our secondary is gonna be, better but
1:12:58
Speaker 1: my front's gonna be. Elite these guys are gonna rotate
1:13:01
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna. Dominate. THAT i would have taken
1:13:04
Speaker 1: Ruben bain in thirteen just IF i told YOU i
1:13:09
Speaker 1: got Ruben bain And Jared versus in the same. Game
1:13:13
Speaker 1: you see the clip of Ruben bain when he got.
1:13:16
Speaker 1: Drafted how every dude, before you, know gets to the
1:13:19
Speaker 1: place where their hat is and they kind of dance.
1:13:21
Speaker 1: Around Ruben bain looked like he was ready to punch.
1:13:25
Speaker 1: Somebody he looks so pissed off because in, fairness he's
1:13:29
Speaker 1: going in his, mind how do you blame? Him you
1:13:34
Speaker 1: could count on one hand the amount of dudes that
1:13:36
Speaker 1: were just drafted ahead of me that are better than.
1:13:38
Speaker 1: Me how Could Ruben, bain after what he did last,
1:13:41
Speaker 1: year take his team in The National championship with a
1:13:44
Speaker 1: chance to win, it not view himself, as if not
1:13:47
Speaker 1: the best, player one of the best players in the.
1:13:48
Speaker 1: Draft and he goes. Fifteen what's The. Rams let's just
1:13:56
Speaker 1: pull up The rams death. CHART i know the d line's.
1:14:03
Speaker 1: Good so you Got Kobe, turner you Got, fisk you Got,
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