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INTERVIEW: Kenya Barris Talks 'Jerry West: The Logo,' Kobe; NBA, Trump; 'Black-ish,' + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, click up the Breakfast Club. You don't finish
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  Speaker 1: for y'all done morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the j n V. Just hilarious, Charlamagne to God.
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  Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 2: in the.
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  Speaker 3: Building and he's wearing an athlete chain.
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  Speaker 2: Right, there's different types of there's an artist chain and
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  Speaker 2: then there's an athlete. He's wearing an athlete chain on
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  Speaker 2: right now, ladies and gentlemen, we have director Kenya Barras said, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: Expound on that now between the athletes and artists.
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  Speaker 2: And there was this thing online that when you see
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  Speaker 2: a rapper wear a chain, it doesn't shine like when
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  Speaker 2: you see an athlete wear a chain. So like, if
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  Speaker 2: you look at this chance different, this is the different, glistening.
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  Speaker 4: Different sh.
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  Speaker 1: So why not just a nigga with real money chain?
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  Speaker 5: I guess somebody's debatable.
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  Speaker 1: This is debatable.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, welcome, So how you feeling?
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  Speaker 4: I feel good?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 5: How did they trust a black man with the Jerry
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  Speaker 5: West document? I was thinking the same logo.
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  Speaker 4: Bro, it's crazy. I got the chance to meet him.
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  Speaker 4: My measure turned Brian Dobbins like he's interviewing people and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not gonna get this job. So
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  Speaker 4: I was like, but I do get the chance to
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  Speaker 4: meet Jerry West. And so I went in there and
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  Speaker 4: in five minutes. You know, you can tell certain white
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  Speaker 4: people and they're comfortable around black people. You can tell
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  Speaker 4: the moment you sat down, like it was like this
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  Speaker 4: dude had no and like we immediately started clicking. And
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  Speaker 4: he's just funny. He's just a straight shooter and he
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  Speaker 4: kind of reminds you like your uncle, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, or like like somebody like says this on
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  Speaker 4: their mind, cussing up the storm. Funny. He was getting
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  Speaker 4: off the treadmill. He's eighty years old with waits. He's like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm so pissy. I was like, I had injury and
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  Speaker 4: I can't run like I used to it. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: if you ever see me on a treadmill with waits,
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  Speaker 4: this is my run for the month. I was at
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  Speaker 4: eighty if I can do that. So we just hit
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  Speaker 4: it off and I was I immediately knew I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do whatever to try to.
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  Speaker 2: Now did how did Jerry West become the logo of
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  Speaker 2: the NBA. I'm sure you break it down in the
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  Speaker 2: in the in the privilege, But how did that happen.
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  Speaker 3: In the NBA?
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  Speaker 4: I said what Charlotte said, right, And that was one
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  Speaker 4: of the reasons I want to do it because I
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  Speaker 4: was like I always like to try to like make
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  Speaker 4: it up hypotheses and try to disprove reprove it. I
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  Speaker 4: was like, this dude was like the one white dude
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  Speaker 4: whood play. As I did the documentary, he absolutely earned it,
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  Speaker 4: absolutely positively. Nobody else should get.
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  Speaker 5: What makes though he's like he's well, I was about
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  Speaker 5: to stay up until now.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably one of the greatest losers in NBA history.
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  Speaker 1: Championship off what seven finals?
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  Speaker 4: Went there seven times?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one one one one.
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  Speaker 4: But he got there seven times. But like game wise,
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  Speaker 4: like if you hoop, dude still to this day has
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  Speaker 4: the highest points for a game playoff scoring average with
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  Speaker 4: no three point line. So that's just going mid range
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  Speaker 4: twelve fifteen foot I was shot in the game, and
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  Speaker 4: that's just you know, he wasn't dunking the ball. It's
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  Speaker 4: just a dude who could just hoop, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And he was leading almost leading the league
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  Speaker 4: in assists. And when I talked to Jordan. That's what
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  Speaker 4: kind of changed everything really wow, because it was I'm
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  Speaker 4: a fan. I had to like not fan out when
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  Speaker 4: I was sitting down. But Jordan got so serious about Jerry.
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  Speaker 4: I stopped becoming fans because you could tell how serious
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  Speaker 4: he was about him. And he said, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if for him, like when he sees like his lineage,
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  Speaker 4: he said, it was Jerry, him and Kobe and like
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  Speaker 4: they all were friends. And he was like, but they say,
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  Speaker 4: and I kind of immediately saw like they all have
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  Speaker 4: that same kind of dog. They would leave it all
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  Speaker 4: out in the court, kill you on the court, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: and that kind of translated into the life. So I
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  Speaker 4: was like it changed how everybody said yes about Jerry,
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  Speaker 4: and then everybody kind of had that same sort of story.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everybody's been talking for the last I guess
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  Speaker 2: ten years that the NBA should changed the logo to Kobe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your thoughts on that?
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  Speaker 4: I think Jerry probably would have been like yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: he loved Kobe so much. I feel like Kobe probably
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  Speaker 4: would have been like no. I think that there's something
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  Speaker 4: to Jerry represented. He was there almost from like the
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  Speaker 4: nascent when NBA was like twelve hundred people in the
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  Speaker 4: arena all the way to That's why we got something.
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  Speaker 4: You know. He had such a through line and I
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  Speaker 4: kind of think everything doesn't have to change, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Sometimes it's like he represented, he actually
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  Speaker 4: earned it, and he was such a statesman as a player,
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  Speaker 4: as a coach, as a as a GM, as an
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  Speaker 4: exact I think that's the right. You know, they don't.
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  Speaker 4: I think like if and the only person I mean
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  Speaker 4: Kobe Jordan Jordan because it's a shoe, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I feel like I don't quite know
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  Speaker 4: what Kobe's logo would be. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Is it the jumper? Is it? Like you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, What do you report? What I'm saying? And
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  Speaker 4: I feel like they had a bunch of different versions
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  Speaker 4: of the logo and he kind of was. There is
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  Speaker 4: a certain elegance to it and it just resents I
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  Speaker 4: see that it represents the NBA to me.
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  Speaker 5: Now, yeah, and let's be clear, their logo was fire.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not act like the logan not fire. But also
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  Speaker 5: it's right place, right time, Right, it's nineteen sixty nine.
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  Speaker 5: You need a logo for your company, Jerry West, does
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  Speaker 5: this liew Lean coming down the court?
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  Speaker 1: It just it makes sense, it does it?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 6: Was it easy to get the project green lighted?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? So it went the first it was at Showtime
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  Speaker 4: Right and Showtime Sports, and then they you know, Paramount
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  Speaker 4: went through all their stuff. It went away. We got
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  Speaker 4: it back and then it became a bidding war for
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  Speaker 4: us and were Amazon was unbelievably went after and I
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  Speaker 4: wanted it and we love the idea that Amazon had.
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  Speaker 4: I just got the playoffs and they really actually understood
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  Speaker 4: what we wanted to do, Like they really got behind
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  Speaker 4: us and understood. It's crazy like when they get behind stuff,
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  Speaker 4: their reaches so far where everybody thinks Netflix is it,
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  Speaker 4: but Amazon's reach goes far because of what they can
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  Speaker 4: sell and NBA and the NFL, and so it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was I think that was the right place.
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  Speaker 3: Does he get paid for the logo?
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  Speaker 4: No, I think that's the thing that's we talk about.
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  Speaker 4: They never admitted it before this documentary. They never like
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  Speaker 4: said that he was would admit that he was the logo.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it was because David Stern was like,
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  Speaker 4: if we say he's the logo and we haven't paid him.
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  Speaker 4: We got to write him a check. That's a if
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  Speaker 4: he wanted to go back, that's a check check. And
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  Speaker 4: so they never, you know, wanted to do it. But
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  Speaker 4: then Adam Silver just being cool and like loving Jerry
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  Speaker 4: and knowing the family, and you know Jerry didn't Jerry
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  Speaker 4: liked it and didn't like it, and so you know,
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  Speaker 4: they finally admitted it and you know it's it's it's
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  Speaker 4: an honor.
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  Speaker 3: But they didn't cut up a check. They just admitted it.
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  Speaker 4: My knowledge, I'm saying, I think the family is like
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  Speaker 4: just the the honor itself is enough.
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  Speaker 3: You know, did you see the finished project before he passed?
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  Speaker 4: No, he did. He did see some things and we
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  Speaker 4: you know, went over clips and he saw things he
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  Speaker 4: he didn't He would not have wanted to see it
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  Speaker 4: until the he didn't like seeing hisself. You know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying on camera stuff like that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have that problem?
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  Speaker 4: I do? I do. I acted in that show and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, you can you can rob me with
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  Speaker 4: the camera. You know what I'm saying. But I think
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  Speaker 4: guess what you do is like the same reason I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to direct the documentary is like you whatever you're
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  Speaker 4: afraid of, you go do it and then to kind
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  Speaker 4: of you kind of figure it out and you actually
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  Speaker 4: we want to act it. I'm like, oh, I kind
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  Speaker 4: of get it made me a better writer.
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  Speaker 5: Oh stay there for a second. And I don't think
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  Speaker 5: people realize that people don't lean into their fears enough.
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  Speaker 5: They don't lean and what makes them uncomfortable enough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what we have to start doing.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's the stuff that you're
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  Speaker 4: uncomfortable with, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's how
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  Speaker 4: you get They say, when you're afraid of flying, go
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  Speaker 4: take a flight simulator or go take a flying class.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying like, you'll get over You'll know what
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  Speaker 4: this sound means what I mean. So I think that
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  Speaker 4: is I try to tell my kids that, like the
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  Speaker 4: stuff you're afraid of, try it, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: even and try to get good at it. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that's one of the things that I feel like
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  Speaker 4: with this, I really I wanted this to be. It
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  Speaker 4: started off as me and Jerry, and then it became
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  Speaker 4: for his family when he passed, which changed the nature
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  Speaker 4: of what I was doing because now it's about his
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  Speaker 4: leg seeing so you know, I was honored to be a.
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  Speaker 5: Part of Is it scarier to do that when you're
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  Speaker 5: at the level you are now, because you know, the
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  Speaker 5: scrutiny is different.
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  Speaker 4: If you feel absolutely what I'm saying. I want to
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  Speaker 4: go do comedy I used to do in college, but
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  Speaker 4: I want to go do it now. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I know that everybody's like, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: Like the moment you get up there, everybody sort of
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  Speaker 4: like wants you to bomb. But I knew what this
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  Speaker 4: it was. I worked on this as long as I've
• 8:24
  Speaker 4: worked in any movie, like documentary. Whoever says the documentary
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  Speaker 4: is the reddites step shot. The people who make documentaries,
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  Speaker 4: you really got to put your heart. So what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: you really got to get to know your your who
• 8:37
  Speaker 4: the people are you gotta there's a lot of trust
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  Speaker 4: that has to be involved. Are you guys doing the documentary? Yes? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: And the people who the people you're doing the way
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  Speaker 4: that they can make you. Look you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: Like they can destroy you, they could make you. They
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  Speaker 4: can tell a wrong story, they can tell the right story.
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  Speaker 4: You know, is it get the tone and you're building
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  Speaker 4: it in reverse. And I think that's the thing that's
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  Speaker 4: so different than like you don't you start might say
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: it's going to be about this, right, this version of
• 9:03
  Speaker 4: the Breakfast Club, but like y'all might have a fist
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: fight during the filming of it, and that changes the
• 9:08
  Speaker 4: whole nature of it, so you never know what it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be. So it kind of is like jazz a
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  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 5: But if it's if it's honest, all of those emotions
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  Speaker 5: should be included, right, emotion.
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  Speaker 4: That was the whole point for us to just be honest.
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  Speaker 4: Like if we're honest, we're honest, we can tell what
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  Speaker 4: every story you want.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the most interesting person that you spoke with during
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  Speaker 2: the documentary because you spoke to Shack, you spoke to Steph,
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  Speaker 2: spoke to Kareem.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Madge was Magic because I think Mike or m
• 9:35
  Speaker 4: J or Magic. Well Mike because.
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  Speaker 1: You was going on the boat with him, but we
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  Speaker 1: grew up.
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  Speaker 4: With a magic He's he's mad what I'm saying, but like,
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  Speaker 4: uh one, because he went through what he went through,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like another three letters, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: at the time, those were the letters everybody my age
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  Speaker 4: remembers where they were at when when I magic got
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  Speaker 4: and said that thing. I was sitting with my dad
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  Speaker 4: and we were like watching like what I'm saying, like,
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  Speaker 4: and you at that point.
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  Speaker 1: You thought it was true. That's what your dad really
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  Speaker 1: say because I know what my dad said.
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  Speaker 3: He was you can't say those words e anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No, we ain't say the words.
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  Speaker 5: But the truth of the matter is a lot of
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  Speaker 5: older men, especially older than me my dad didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Was like they immediately thought.
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  Speaker 4: He was getting everybody. And we also thought he was
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  Speaker 4: going to die.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that was the biggest I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: It was like the idea of like, he's not going
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  Speaker 4: to make it, I'm saying. And to see that he's
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  Speaker 4: not only that, he's become a multi billionaire, multiple team owner,
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  Speaker 4: super businessman like that, but.
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  Speaker 1: Probably healthier than us, health probably you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: And but to see him have as much love and
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  Speaker 4: affinity as he did for Jerry, and to tell that
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  Speaker 4: story he kind of started getting terry because like that
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  Speaker 4: was one of the first people he told and so
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  Speaker 4: that was a really you know, I really appreciated him
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  Speaker 4: being honest and so just transparent with that, and then Mike,
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  Speaker 4: just Mike doesn't talk to a lot of people, and like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the way Mike we went over in time and just
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  Speaker 4: you know idea, like he was like, I would have
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  Speaker 4: loved to play Jerry, you know what I'm saying, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I think we would have had a great get Like
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  Speaker 4: just hearing those two dudes from for where they're at
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  Speaker 4: talk about this man they don't have they have no everybody.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when you're doing documentaries, you got to get
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: people schedule and time. And it's not even people like
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  Speaker 4: not want to do it. Sometimes it's like lining stuff up.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody said yes, you know what I'm saying, And I
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  Speaker 4: was shocked at how many people said yes. And I
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  Speaker 4: think the biggest thing was like making it feel a
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  Speaker 4: little bit young, so that you didn't feel like you
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  Speaker 4: were just doing this this documentary that you wanted to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that young people watch it too. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: How did you get Mike? How was that conversation? Reached
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  Speaker 2: out to him and he said, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody had. The hardest one was Genie Buss because
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: there was obviously tension with the Wakers, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But she she agreed to it. Linda Rambers
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  Speaker 4: help and she agreed to it. But that was the
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  Speaker 4: hardest interview.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing about Jerry West though, he wasn't just
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  Speaker 5: the logo like he was responsible for the success of
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  Speaker 5: the Lakers. If you love the Lakers, he built from
• 12:14
  Speaker 5: the Showtime era to the Kobe and Shaq era Jerry West.
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  Speaker 4: And if he and Shaq and Jerry said it, like
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  Speaker 4: if if Jerry had said they're shocking, Kobe probably would
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: have said together wow, and they probably would have went
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  Speaker 4: won three four more championships. You know what I'm saying,
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: because because between them they did go win three or
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  Speaker 4: four championships or wherever they were at. And I think
• 12:32
  Speaker 4: three he would have, you know, was the three that
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: they want want to.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Come went to four. Kobe won two on his own.
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: Kobe wan two or three on his own, two two
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  Speaker 4: on his own and Shock one one? Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: How long did it take for you to shoot the
• 12:43
  Speaker 6: entire thing? Since everybody said yes, she interviewed everybody. I
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  Speaker 6: know everybody's interviews was lengthy. How long did it take
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  Speaker 6: it was?
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  Speaker 4: It was spread out between editing, shooting and stuff, like
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  Speaker 4: almost four years?
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, almost four years and we lost Jerry toward the
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: end of it. So it was said that I've worked
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: I never worked anything else. Now a singular project, would.
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  Speaker 6: You say this is the most This was the most
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  Speaker 6: challenging or complicated, not more than, far more than anything
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  Speaker 6: that you've ever done.
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  Speaker 3: When did you start shooting?
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  Speaker 4: Almost four years ago? Almost four years.
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  Speaker 3: Ago after Kobe passed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot we passed. But it was fresh still
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  Speaker 4: in people. See what I'm saying. It was fresh, im.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you can tell anything like when people are
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: telling those stories like it was, it was fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Kenya, man. Do you feel more powerful now?
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  Speaker 1: Just more just more responsible?
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  Speaker 4: I feel more I feel scared really because we're in
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  Speaker 4: a different age now. Like it's like, I'm sure y'all
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  Speaker 4: feel it in here, you know what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 4: you feel like you could just say whatever you want.
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  Speaker 4: You've had this show long enough, you should be No,
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  Speaker 4: do you tecond guess yourself sometimes day, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not scared. I'm not scared.
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  Speaker 5: No, not because of that, because I think it's because
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  Speaker 5: I feel more responsible.
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  Speaker 4: But but you always have felt like that's always been
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  Speaker 4: like you wanted to carry the people do this, but
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: now there's an attack and that used to be used
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  Speaker 4: to be kind of quiet. Now it's like an openness
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  Speaker 4: to like, you know what I'm saying, like shout up,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like they don't even care,
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  Speaker 4: Like they're like the idea of what the environment we're
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: in now I've never seen. We were just talking in
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: the dreamroom about you know, President President putting himself as Jesus.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Easter Day tweets, UFC fights
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: on the lawn and you know, open, open, openly saying
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: nto DEI. You know what I'm saying, Like that used
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: to be kind of whispers and like the they don't
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: whisper it anymore, you know what I'm saying. So if
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: you're in a situation I was, I was a big
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: up here when I saw you guys on Netflix number one,
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: I was like, that's that's so important, you know what
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. When you see those moments of like us
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: winning in places where we're amongst everybody else. That's why
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: Coogler was so important, you know what I'm saying. Google
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: was my hero because what he did with Panther and
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: then everything he touches, He takes his time, does one
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: thing in time, which I need to do more, but
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: it takes his time. There's one thing to come and
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: does it to such a high level. But he's telling
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: our stories and you know that's pissing people off, you
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But I think that's shift to do.
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: You have to sort of like make sure if you're
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: going to do it, you do it the best you
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: can do.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: You look for those pieces now, like those pieces that
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: mean more than just making a check.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Yes, I have made all the money now yeah, I
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: mean not only that, but you want to keep making
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: the money goes away, you know what I'm saying. And
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I feel like the thing that will last is like
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: people say, you do good work, you know what I'm saying,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: And that's why you when you guys went over and
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: it's like all of a sudden, it's like, well, is
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: this happening or is this dropping off?
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I think you guys went
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: to BT for a second. You know what I'm saying.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: We've done this a few times.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: He was on Revolt first and we was on BT
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: to B and then now Neflick.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: And I feel like being at the number one place
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: and being number one in that thing it matters not
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: just for the number one but for the longevity and
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: the legacy of what you do, because it's like you
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: never know when you make that leap, if you're making
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: a leap and you're like, I should just stay where
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I was, so so yeah, I think the idea now
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: is like I want to do stuff that matters. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: want to do stuff that like hasard voice. I'm doing
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: a movie with Keanna out here for her director of David.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I want her to kill it, like I want her
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: to sort of like she's taking a pay cut of
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: this cut because she cares about this movie. So I
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: feel like I got to care about her, you know
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and get her through and I want
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: it to be dope, you know what I'm saying. So
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I feel like that's the next thing is like really
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: sort of like making sure everything I do I at
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: least try to make it dope.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: It's interesting what you said about you know, because of
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: the air that we're in with the Trump Ara, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: feel like that's when you usould be.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: You should be louder, you know what I.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Mean, Like like when the President called me out, I
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: was like, good, what are you saying?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: He said, I was a racist sleeves.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Bag with lit Wow, he said dumb idiots short.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: He didn't say. But the gist of it was the
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: recent back with low i Q.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: And it's funny because whenever I critique him now and
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: they they.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Asked the White House.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: The White House that says, refer back to that post
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: from August of twenty twenty five. But I feel like
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: you should do that. And I made the comments I
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: made on Fox News with lower Ingram his stepdaughter. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: feel like you used to post to do that.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I left Blackish because of him. Tell the story King,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, that was what happened when I left.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I've heard about this before.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: They were and you know, basically some people who were
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: higher up, not by Bier Barbers cast a best Ever,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: but too higher up were the merger between Fox and
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Disney was about and they had to get need to
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: presidential approval, and we had done an episode that talked
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: about him, and they were afraid that he was petty
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: enough if we aired to not let the merger go through.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And I was like, that's not how this works. You
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, like I went through all the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: approvals that the episode is ready to air, It went
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: through all the checks and bounce. I was like, I
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: was like, you you're making this is not fair to
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the people who watched this show. You know what I'm saying.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: And so I was like, I want I can't be
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: here anymore. I was like, it felt like censorship, and
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I gets supported me. I'm saying in the way he
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: didn't have to. He was like, he supported the idea
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: that they didn't have to let me out of my deal,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: but they did, and I feel like he put up
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: my you know, I'm saying, it's not crazy. I have
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: a tweet where he was like, Blackish, that's as awful.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Could you imagine if they had a show called Whitish,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, and I'm over back there, it's called friends.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like the idea, But it
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: was those moments I remember I had got audited that
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, like those little little things that you're like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: is this a on accident? So I just feel like
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: you're in a different We're in a different They're they're
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: coming back, they're attacking. They feel like they're in a
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: different place and they can do whatever they want.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: And and the uh, that's why you was able to
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: still be at ABC but didn't go negotiate with Netflix
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: and everything else.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't want you to blow up the spot,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: probably back then because you couldn't prove that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: It no, but it was it would have, Yeah, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I had nothing to I didn't want to hurt Bob
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: or hurt any of the people there, you know what
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But I also didn't feel right being there
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: if I couldn't tell the story of the way that
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I thought we should be telling it. So I wanted
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: to go somewhere else in Netflix was was open to
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And it was It was an episode about Colin Kaepernick.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was Colin, but he was in it, But
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: it was an episode it really was about the kneeling
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: and how crazy the kneeling was the way before the
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Floyd thing happened, and how the sort of celestial irony
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: of that. That's what he was, you know, saying kneeling
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and then someone kneel's like the idea of like I
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: was like, nobody's not how people are talking about that,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: And so that was really what it was about and
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: he just we were just afraid that it would.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And cause the merger between Disney and Fox and that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to go through.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah at that time, which was the biggest merger in
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: entertainment history. Wow.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You were smart though, the way you played it.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh I came up. I was like, oh, this
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: played out, this worked.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: You still had everything, you had all the issues with ABC. Yeah,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: and then you had all your Netflix stuff going on.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: It worked.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: But I mean, but it didn't. I remember being in
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: my office like I'm blowing my career. I remember coming
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: home my kids were like okay, because I didn't know
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: that was gonna happen, Like it could have went anyway.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like he was blowing your career because it
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: could have went anyway. A job. I didn't know I
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: had a job. When I said I quit, I'm saying
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I said, didn't want to do this. I didn't know
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I had a job, but I didn't know what was
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: going to happen. But it was. It worked out, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and the show went on for a long time, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: you know, and Anthony and Tracy blew up and like
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: they you know, kept doing But I feel like it
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: was for me. I was you know, I was scared,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: would you.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Do another show like that that shows black families too?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: I did, mean it was different, that was a little
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: bit more like edgy and stuff like. But I wanted
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you just go back to like talking about stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I talk about it all the time.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I came from, of course, the Cosby Show in a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: different world era, and I tell everybody all the time
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the reason I went to Hampton was because it reminded
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: me of a different world. The reason I do some
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of the things with my kids now is because I
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: remember The Cosby Show how it made me feel, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I would just feel like we missed a lot of
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that seeing that on television.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to do it again. I want to.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: There's one I want to do, something about being oring
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: through a divorce and maybe not knowing if you want
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: to get divorced. You what I'm saying, like called don't
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: go outside. But because I think so many kids deal
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: with divorce and you don't really see the effect, you
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It had particularly all my sons.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: For me, I'm saying, and I felt like and then
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: your wife has a glow up, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I'm like every black woman after she has divorce gets
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: better looking, you know what I'm saying. And you look
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: out and you're like, it's same host, different clothes out there.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And I had a moment when I got divorced and
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I almost like going through all these stats of like
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: there was a stat going around like if you're over
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: six feet you know, not morbidly obese to make over
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: this year in the three percent time of the dating pool.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: And I was like, what if you're black? I was like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: you know, and I was like, I'm going to be
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: a unicorn. And then I got out there and I
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: was like what am I doing? And then I went
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: back and I was trying to get back and she
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: was like, well, here's the stat I have for you.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Did you know that men on average who get divorced
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: lived five years less and women on average divorce live
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: five years longer. You can pick up the kids Friday
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: at five damn? So I mean I want to I
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: want to just I mean, I miss I do missed
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: out about network television or like how you guys can
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: get on every day and like be topical. Network television
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: felt topical. It felt like you could kind of be
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: in the conversation and actually talk about stuff that people
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: were going through. So I did miss that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: But do you think TV still has that power in
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: the screaming era or has the coaching moved to social
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: media and stuff like podcasts and Redpast Club things like that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I think podcasts are the most powerful venue and in
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: terms of entertainment because which you can do in terms
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: of being topical. They put Trump Trump in office. Like
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, A lot of the podcasters had
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: a lot to do with you know, eight and rons
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and stuff like.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I think we give I'm not gonna say that they
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: didn't have some type of influence. Man, we give them
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: way too much credit. I think it was more about
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: what Democrats weren't doing in that moment as opposed to
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: what a bunch of podcasts did.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Well. I think the Democratic Party has to start getting
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: some real walk. I'm saying, I feel like the whole
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: it was a great statement that Michelle Obama said when
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: she was like, they when they go local high, we
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: might need to go low. Sometimes. I'm saying, like, you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you gotta fight with who you're fighting with. But I
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: feel like podcasters. I was talking to someone they were
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: talking about Ki and they were like, Leonardo Caapriro can
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: walk down the streets, so and whatever. But when Kay
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: walks down the street, people feel like they know him differently,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And there's a different relationship.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: They don't feel like he's a And I think that
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: is more relationship that meat reaches like voters and the people,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And I feel like it
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: is there is nothing on every day that people can
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: like everyone goes with that something happening. They come to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: see what you're all talking about to day. If you're
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: all gonna talk about who you have on, they're not.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: If you've got to do that in streaming, you gotta
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: wait three months, five months, six months because it can't.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Network television used to be able to keep up with it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: But there's nothing now that like lets you keep up
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: So how could you do it? Like even when I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: think about like Chapelle's Sey and he wanted to bring
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: his showback, I'm like, I just saw that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see it,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: but man, it would be hard to keep up.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: It's not topical anymore. It's so much of Chappelle's stuff
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: as topical. But like Dave was the kind of dude
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: who won't do something unless he can right now, He's
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: all about like having control of making sure. I'm sure
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: if he did it, he would do it where it
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: could be topical, you know what I'm saying now?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: What happened happened to those And I heard people talking
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: about the last couple of years, it was like these
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: three to seven minute movies they start putting in micaro
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: dramas and that kind of just fell off.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Is that something that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: That's when in China that's a five hundred billion.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Dollar year market and it's very interesting.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it's and it's crazy. Jeffrey Katzenberg
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: was a year too early? What was this thing? If
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: he if Quiby was a year later, That's all he
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: was trying to do. And he had real If he
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: had done it a year later, he would have been
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Katzenberg's success again. And he had Aline Fuqua, you
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like he had real stuff going on.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: But I feel like I don't know how we get
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: into it. I was talking to someone about that, because
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: it's all about the distribution platforms. We go get it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: They don't need our our us. We either have to
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: get our own vertical distribution platforms or there they'll let
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you pay to get in it. I'm saying, they'll you
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: have to pay for your own and you get a
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: percentage of it, so we don't have the That's something
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I think that we can actually afford. Throw We could
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: actually I don't know that we could go get a Netflix,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: but I think with the right right amount of us,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: we could actually get a vertical platform.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Because when I when I look at my kids right
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and they watch things online, it's the weirdest thing because
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they watch it on two times fast, and I'm like,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: how the are they even understanding this? They that's how
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: they watched it, and that's how.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: We used to watch when we used to watch the
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: Asian Kung Fou Flix, the Asian Kunk food Flix with
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the dub was like that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like we I feel like I look
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: at my kids and they'll they'll watch movies and they
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: break them down now in like five minute things, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that's not even watching a movie, But that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: how they take in stuff. My middle son just told
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: me he's not you know, even saying it for all,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: He's like, I don't want to go to college. If
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: any of my other kids said that up, like you
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: got you out of your mind.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: But with him, look at it different.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: He can we can build and take a part in
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: anything and put and pick and he likes cooking. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I'm like, the next era is going to be different,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: like the trades, how we look at how we viewed entertainment.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Like so I think we have to sort of be
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: open to like changing our minds of what we think.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Things outside the box?
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, How long with something like that lasts? Like the verticals,
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: like the short form content? Like how how long do
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: you see something like that lasting?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Though I just I couldn't even begin, I will say this,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: and I think Centers showed me. I do think we're
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: going to make a return to like big like real movies,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: real TV shows, because people want a real story. When
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I started, I think Ryan did the smartest thing. He
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: made this like a piece of arral. It it became viral.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: He made just a thing of him talking about the film.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: I'm saying the film ratios and it's Ryan being as
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: authentic as he is going row as what I'm saying,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: going but being a he's a genius I'm saying. And
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: when you saw it, I think it was it played
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: against what people might immediately see and then it made
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you forced to listen to him and understand what he
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: was telling you. And I think that's what he did
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: with his movie. I think there was so much stuff.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Somebody told me there was a moment in Centers where
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the Asian woman has to go across the street to
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: get something and that was the white side of town
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and I didn't even realize that, so I had to
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: go back and watch it. So there was so much
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: little things, in so much detail in that movie. So
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I think the idea of us getting back to like
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: making real movies and putting some time into making real
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: shows it In some time it's gonna be less of it,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: but I think we can do it at a higher level.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Well, the other thing is is you got to allow
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: the creatives to be creative. Yes, like, don't get into
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Ryan Koglo's way, don't get into Kenya Barras's way. If
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: they have a scrip that they want to create bucking notes, Okay,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: get in the money, let them make the movie get
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: out the way.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I agree, And I think people know there. I was,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: you know when we did Black Air and Tyler joked
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: about like he was like fuck writing tomatoes word. He
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: knows his audience, whether you like his stuff or not.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: He breaks records everywhere he goes because he understands his audience.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: And I think Ryan's audience is the biggest audience we've
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: seen for of like you know, creator like he is.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: He always gets all of us, he gets everybody else,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and he does it not sacrificing. He's doing mansa musa,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Like that's the craziest story ever. Like, I'm shocked and
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: they won't even let him do it. I'm shocked that
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: it hasn't been done.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: But what you said, you're shocked that somebody let him
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: He made this way where they he can do what
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: he wants to do. And I think that we haven't
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: seen that in a really long time.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: But why don't Why doesn't Hollywood understand if we let
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: the creatives just be creative.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: We'll get everything we want.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: We'll get great films, box office success, critical acclaim.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Just let the creatives create.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: I agree. I don't know why they haven't let it
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: be done. But because it's I think that it's it
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: has to at some point be a little institutional, you
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Because even when we succeed, we
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: still don't get the same opportunities. I think we need
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: people like Ryan, Like you can't tell him no for
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: the next three or four project he does. He gets
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to do what he wants to do, and if he
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: keeps going, you know, being successful, that he gets to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: do as many as he wants to do. So I
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: think that's the Like you guys could do what you
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: want to do, Like you know what I'm saying, You've
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: now been through it enough. You get to do what
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: you want to do. Like they can't. I mean, I'm
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: trying real change, but they can't cancel you, you know what
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like you can go to your platform and
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: you have an audience, works you figure something else. I
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: think that's what we need more of us, Like, so you
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: can go do it and do it a little bit fearlessly,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: even though you're still gonna be scared, but you can
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: do a little bit fearlessly.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed in Netflix thing. But I think, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: what we do is unique because video is just one
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: part of the way people consume us. So we can
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: take chances with the video, right because our primary is radius.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: You guys edit that show as far as what on Netflix?
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Is it edited or is it? Is it the same
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: show were used to it's the same show, okay, but the.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Actually but all the difference is we got to say
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: our music and commercials and things like that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Of course you won't see that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: But it's the same content. It's like, right now we're
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: being recorded this. If it wasn't on Netflix, it would
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: have been on YouTube.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the primary is radio, so you got.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Tens of millions of people listening to you talk on
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: the air right now. Then we distributed it as an
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: audio podcast. Then we put clips on YouTube and social
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: media and give the full Have you.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Guys ever thought about doing this as a scripted show.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be great.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Remember Larry Sanders. Yeah, I think the idea of a
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: scriptive version of a podcast that everybody knows, but like
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: the behind the scenes, the like guests coming on, I'm saying,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: like and have something. I just think that something like
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: that could be. I would watched that, and I think
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: that's an example of like how you crop, how you
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: bridge the two things. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: the idea of that becomes an idea because people don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: understand really how podcasting actually works. They think you just
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: said do it. But it's bigger than that, I'm saying.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: It's the prep, it's the behind the scenes, it's the politics.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But and I think, if you did it
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: and made it funny, I'm just pitching the show for
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: myself for you guys, nice.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And all that type of stuff.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: But no, you're right, like it is. It is a
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: lot that goes on behind the scenes. But also I've
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: been telling people, man with the podcasters, to me, that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: the next level, right because they're already created. They're already
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: the this generation's stars. So what Theovanges did this weekend? Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: he put he produced his own film, he paid for
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: it called bus Boys with Him And yeah, he put
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: like three million dollars of his own money up, came
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: out in theaters Friday, and the debut that like number nine,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: made one point seven million dollars. But the fact that
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: he was able to say, I'm a comedian, I got
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: a podcast, I'm going to do a film now because
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: I want to give my audience another form of content.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's where you got to go with it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Me and drewski are doing a movie together. Really we
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I can say where's at yeah, because we fingered everyone.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: But it's based off of one of his concepts at
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: church kit church skit. It's about a funeral home, funeral home,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: funeral funeral home. But then he has his Taladaga Knights
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: where he wants to play the black car driver at
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: the white car driver. And this, I'm Drew don't.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Be is way too big to be in any guy damn.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: But but he I think Drew Ski is, and I
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: think he's one of the dudes like I think he's
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Martin Lawrence, Jim Carrey, Mike Myers anymore. He's one of
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: the few dudes who can like character, getting those characters
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: who I'm saying, And I think that that's the thing.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: But I do think people podcasting is the biggest thing
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: in the world right now, and I think the idea
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: of like people understanding and abridging is the next form
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, you got to take those people and create the
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: movies and the TV show.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I think movies. I think film is the next the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: next level.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Foot agree with got there's got to be more young
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: stars than Timothy Shallon Mans and Daya. I love them both,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: But who else can you say that's young? Maybe Sidney Sweeney,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, But she looks good. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: think that's a little bit no offense to not her acting.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: But but like, there's no when we came up Martinland,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: they were young, Will Smith and they were young. We've
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: been watching them for twenty five, you know what I'm saying,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Like Adye Murphy was nineteen. Like where is the nineteen
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: twenty to twenty five year old stars, white or black
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: that you can put on a poster? I think they
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: have to be in that podcast absolutely the world what
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I think the reason that's hard to
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: get them to do movies is the money is so
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: it's it's the opiate of success. It's hard to take
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: them away from making all that money and be like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: come make a tenth of that and give me sixty
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: days of your life, you know what I'm saying, When
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: when in that sixty days you can go make ten
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: times money just fucking around on TV or in front.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Of a camera and sixty days of structure.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Structure, and having to be up at six o'clock in
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: the morning here at makeup and be there till you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: seven o'clock, eight o'clock at night and be back up.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Unless you're allowed them to tape.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: That's seriously, that's actually interesting, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Make that part of their content and maybe make the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: bigger movie bigger. But I feel like that is that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: hard to get through. And then they everybody can't just act,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like you got to go
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: and like really like you know, I know, and try
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: to do it. I was like I was back, like
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I didn't put the reps in, you know what I'm saying,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: and go to acting school and like actors are special,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I think like the
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: idea of that is that's how we get to like
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: the next gen ratio.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I think absolutely do you think.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: Black creators are hell to a different standard when it
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: comes to representing an entire culture? Like you can't just
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: make a film or make a movie. It's got to it's.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Got to represent everything, and everybody's different. All four of
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: us have different points of view. You know what I'm saying,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you would we could all tell the same story and
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: we tell four different ways, and that's that's great, But
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: we when we do it, it's supposed to appeal to
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: every our whole culture, and that's just not fair. That's
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: not it's not fair that we don't have enough lanes
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: where it can be this is this person's lane, this
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: is this person lane, it's the black lane. And I
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: think so we do get held to a different you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: sort of kind of like narrative, and I feelk the
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: idea of what we we really need is to sort
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: of expand who we are and sort of be more
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: open to like, you know, my son is like a
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: black nerd and he like leans into it, and I
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: think I love that. I love that he like leans
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: into Like he's getting his pilot's license and he's like
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: coding and he's doing this and I love that. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: then my other son is doing motocross, you know what
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, and doing this, and so I kind of think,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: like our kids are going to get a different job.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: But I think for us we kind of grew did
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: it change? I wanted this? Did it doing podcast? Changing?
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: For you? On on the comedy stage, you feel like
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: it was when you got up you were you felt
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: more pressure or less.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm glad that you know she still does comedy.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: She sells out every week and thank you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: So your question was didn't make it harder for you
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: or easier for you?
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Doing a podcast? Didn't make it harder for me on stage? No,
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: because they I totally separate the sew. Everywhere you see
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: jes Selarius, you get a different version of me. So
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: my stand up is I'm nothing like es Larius on
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: stage here at Breakfast Club and even when I did
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: my other podcast, you know, it's different. Just Elarious on
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: TV is different from what you see on the stage.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Stage that is my sanctuary. That's totally different. They don't bleed.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Into each other.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Do people expect them to?
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, to be honest, a lot of people they still
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: ask me, why don't do Jess with the Mess on stage?
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: You can go see it online for free. I'm not
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: going to make you pay for something that you can
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: see online. I'm giving you raw, real material like comedy.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: I'm giving you comedy here.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It's not just with the.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Mess it m hm.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you know, I think a lot
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: of those stories that we forget about, right And the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: funniest thing to me is you talking about your son
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: doing motocross and the other son being.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: A black nerd.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: We have to step out of the box so many
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: different ways, right me coming from Queens, my son wanted
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to play soccer.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: It was difficult for me because I was like, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: don't know what the fuck soccer? You know what I mean?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: My daughter's doing dance. I'm like girls in the hood,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they dance, but it wasn't like this. It wasn't a competition.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And even when, like when I see a black family
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: come from the hood or come from weeb and they
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: move into the white neighborhood, just seeing how they adapt
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: is hilarious. Like I remember the first this brother that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: moved into the neighborhood and they did a playdate.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: He didn't know what a play date was.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: He was like, so I'm supposed to drive you to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: somebody else's house, go outside and play like he just
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: didn't know. So connecting to that is it's very different
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: than what most people are used to. But having those
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: different connections because that connects with you, which your some motocross,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Did you know anything my motocross or you know what,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you had to buy a motorcycle helmet.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, and we went to go where they ride the bikes.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Was terrifying because it was nothing but like American flags.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: White dudes. I'm like, we should not one of these
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: things is not like the other. I was like, it's weird.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, are we gonna be okay in our camper?
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Like it was. We went with a place called Jawbone
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: in La that you go like it's like the desert
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: and we take a camera and you get the motors.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: It's a whole process to get up there. And it
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: was nothing but like you could tell they do it
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: every weekend. They knew how to light fires and all
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: And we were see, now that's hilarious. I would watch that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Did you know how to light a fire?
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: No, we brought now.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: But your son was completely comfortable in that element. He
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: was like, this is what I want to do.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, all the little kids that he was riding with
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: white kids. You what I'm saying, it's a few white
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: kids out there, some really good, but in general it's
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: not our sport, you know what I'm saying. But I
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: think it could be everything we do, we take over
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I feel like it could
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: be and and some of the good best ones are,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: but I feel like that's me sort of like getting
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: out of my comfort zone and not putting him in
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: the same box that I was in. And I think
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: everything sort of goes I used to. We came up.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I remember like black writers Terry McMillan and this, And
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: I was like, what happened to when you were doing?
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Like you had a book and I'm sure you're publishing it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: What happened to black authors? Like that was a whole thing,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And like we would go
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden at the gay guy exactly
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: doing the DL story.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Crown that remember that. I think that was the name
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: of the book.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: May is mom bb Moore. You know what I'm saying, Like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: but like what happened that? What happened? Where's the black
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: author at? You know what I'm saying, Like, what has really?
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Can you tell me like a popular black author right now?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Anita Coax?
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I have never heard heard that. I'm sorry, I'm a
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: writer and I should know that. You know what I'm saying.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: But like Terry Millan was like a celebrity that.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Was embedded in our family growing up, right because your
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: mother made you read those stories. So she read those
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: stories to you, certain people that you did. Same thing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Black art, it's like certain paintures. I mean, they weren't originals.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: My mother did a print, but it was pictures that
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you've seen on in every black family's walk.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: But you know the thing with black art, it's interesting.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Black art is the biggest thing going in the fine
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: art world. But we can't afford it, you know what
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like the biggest you know, from Carrie James
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: to Amy Sheryl to Lauren Halsey to I can just
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: keep her naming, Like, we just can't afford it, you
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And so you go in this
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: agent's house or this billionaire's house, and it's boscots here,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: and it's this here, and it's and it's like we're
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: the idea. Amy said something really sweet. She was like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: she's gonna start making a print line. And I was like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I want you to, but I also don't want it,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Because I don't want to.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: We all, I don't want her to take away what
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: she means to the our community, but she wants us
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: to be able to.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Have her a Certain princes are historic, like you know
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that the dancing print, right, I think every black family
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: had in that house. Or there's a couple that my
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: mom had, but they were just historic prints, yes, but
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: they weren't of course originals.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But your favorite print is dick right? Oh my god?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Really really?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: He mentioned the gay or the game the d L
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: book And then all of a sudden, you got kin.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Kid, what's something else your kids challenge you on that
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: made you rethink your perspective.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Cursing mm hmmm. Cursing like I could not remember when
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you was in school and you would curse everybody, like
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: like now it's my kids, except when you know, grandparents
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: come up, but like they curse, they don't curse at me,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: but they're like ship you know what I'm saying, or
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: like you hear it. I'm just like a part of
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: me is like I'm actually happier that they really are
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: not not being themselves around me, you know what I'm saying.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: But I never would curse around my mom, like you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: cursing around my kids, like I want them to be
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: more of themselves around you. Know what I'm saying. Like
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: my son, I've caught him a couple of times, like
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I call drinking, you know what I'm saying, And I'm like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: they'll get in trouble. But I'm like, if you're gonna
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: do this, do it at home. You know what I'm saying.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't have Like try to tell a teenager not
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to drink is you can say it, but it's ridiculous,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like they're just gonna do it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: So I'm like, don't be in a car, don't be
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: outside if you're gonna do this, Like I can't tell
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: your your friends can't be over drinking, but like, if
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: you're gonna do this, like please at least let me
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: know what's going on. I think that for me was
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the difference of like how we grew up compared to
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: how like my kids tell me the bad stuff that
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: they do, and I kind of have to like eat
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: it a little bit.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: We were just talking about this, and you remember you
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: were saying that, like you don't you feel like you
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: feel kind of like the bad dad, but like the
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: overprotective dad when your older kids wanted to party like
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: in the house though, like drinking because he felt part
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: of him felt bad.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: He was saying, So, my son was he's twenty two.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: He had his birthdays in December, so he went out
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and he came home from college. We had his friends
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: at the house and they were drinking. I felt funny
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: about it. He was of age and his friends with age,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: but I felt I still felt funny that my twenty
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: two year old just turned the twenty two is downstairs
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: drinking with his friends in the kitchen.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was on the cameras like this watching
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: but funny, you know what I mean. It's like you
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: feel like the protective dead. But then I was there.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I did that before. You know, six pack doing that shit.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Logan figured you also said a party.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: You still felt like, all right, well, at least he's
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: not out at a party getting in trouble with her
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: or they enjoy riding and drinking things like that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: So it was the same. And I think it's that
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: was going back really quickly. One of the things that
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I got from the doc that really made me like
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Jerry and his father being a father. It made me
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: think about he was like, I messed up. I missed
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of days. You get so into this, you
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, The idea of like it is easy,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: especially as man moms have to go do whatever they
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: do and then come home and still be mom. We
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: get to come home and be disconnected, disconnect, you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and like dad just needs some time off,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, because I'm and I kind
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: of think that was one of the things I looked
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: and remembered and saw for myself, the idea of like
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: trying to just realize that that they don't you only get, well,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: they have that thing. You get this many summers with
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: your with your toddler, this many this what you what
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like they're gone quick. You know what I'm saying.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: You get three summers with your tyler or two summers
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: with your tyler, and then you know what I'm saying.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Like maybe come let's have to toddle kids, kids and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: young adults.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: And when you think about it like that, you realize
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: how every one of those that you miss you want,
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, you may not get it back.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: So I think that is that's one of the things
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: that I looked at it. And I also feel like
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: in general being black, Like we chase success. We chase
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: because we just want to make it. We want to
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: have our family be comfortable. And really it's the somebody
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: told me that it's your presence, not the presence, you
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And I stuck to me saying, but.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: You can't get no present if you got.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: But we gotta stop lying about this thing called work
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: life balance. There really is, especially you try, but in
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: certain industries doesn't work like that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I think that's where your partner comes in. Yeah, you
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because your your wife or you know, whoever,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: your whatever, whoever the right if they make it, like
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: tell me when when to be here. You know what
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I'm not say this is when the
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: game is. We know you can't. This is when this
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: is an important practice. This is what I'm saying. Like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: that's where I think the the partnership and I'm I'm
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: i triple off of like black dads always had this
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: bad image. Black dads now are statistically the best at hell. Yeah,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: because we live in that ghost of bad dad past
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: and so now we want to like make sure that
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: we're where they're more present they're changing more diapers. The
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: voice rates are down. What I'm saying, when you go
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: to see your kids place, it's all couples, you know
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And it never was like that. It
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: was all single moms, you know what I'm saying. It's
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: now you go and you see couples. When I got divorce,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I was I felt like a failure because like people
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: weren't getting divorced and it was couples. And so I
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: feel like that's something that some of those stigmas I
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: think have made us see ourselves in a better way.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: And you said something else that's important to you said,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: we're always chasing something. I guess the beauty of it
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: is to put yourself in a position where you don't
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: have to do the extracurriculus, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: hopefully you got something to where you're stable, Like I
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: can come do radio, I could do my podcast once
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: a week. I turned down so much other stuff because
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: I don't want to take away that time from my family.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: But you that's a sacrifice, right, But when did you
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: realize that you start trying that stuff down?
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: But you could when I could, maybe like five years ago, probably,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: I think. I think definitely, Like right before, I think,
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: COVID is what made me realize, all right, I can
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: sit in my ass down.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: What's the biggest thing you've ever turned down?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say, what do you mean?
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's been a few things like it's been.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: I'm the type of person I don't even want to say.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Eddie Murphy's doc. It was Eddie Murphy said. They asked him,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: what's the biggest moment, So he said, he turned down
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Roger Rabbit, he turned down rush Hour, and he turned
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: down something else that was a big one, something else
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: that was a big one, and he was like, fucking
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I can't think of it. It was. But he was like,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: how who knew Roger Rabbit was gonna be Roger Rabbit.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: He was like, Chris Tucker should have done you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Soucker done that. I forget the other one. But it's
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: those moments when you look at I think something for something.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: He went and did Beverly Hills cop So he was
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: fine with it. But it was those moment when you
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: look at when we start chasing money, you start wondering,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: wondering about That was the biggest thing for me was
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: chasing money. Yeah, and when you stop chasing money and
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: start saying, you know what I'm gonna do with peels, right,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: that's a really that's the power we haven't been able
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: to get for a laps. And when you get that,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: that's the power of no. And that's the best power
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: to be able to say notice of. It's the best
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: power you have.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: And it's about time, right, Like your time has to
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: be compensated for somebody says, Okay, you're gonna have to
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: be in LA for three weeks.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Three weeks.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I mean I'll have to get up and do morning
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: radio from LA for three weeks and blah blah, I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: miss see my kids and this that, and then it's
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: like that numbered on did you guys ever move to
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: show that?
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Never? No, we we live in our families a head.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: My kids go to school here, his kids go to school.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: He And you don't got a question to that when
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you're sitting in New York City.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: No, I'm saying like the idea of like, you know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: people go on tours, like have you ever done like tours?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: We've done a show in different places for different reasons,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Like we've done a show in Florida before. We've done
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: a show in different areas, but never moved the whole show.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you something you don't want to hear. LA.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Ain't it normal Swatis move?
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: That's saying we're from La, from Oakland, from me from.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: It is right next door now in New Jersey.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: I was tripping off for New York and general. The
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: energy is so much different here. I can't walk around
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: comfortable in l A. L A is tense gang cultures
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: that are all back to like mid eighties level, you
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like people are fascinated with gang
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: culture around the world, but l A gang culture is
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: back to being gang culture, you know, and and you
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: get you got to check in, like I feel everything
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: closes early, Like I feel like New York I used
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: to New York. New York has a way easier vibe
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Right now, you'll rob you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: It is just to get you that athlete.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: Don't don't don't on the side.
• 49:38
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• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Brother.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Embarrassing. It's the Breakfast Level Ground.
• 49:49
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