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Drive Thru News #61: Mechanical Tricks & Trackside Treats · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to drive through episode number 61.
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  What do we have guys?
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  What do we wanna talk about this time?
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  I mean, Halloween is right around the corner.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Are you gonna dress up as the scariest thing ever?
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  A Nissan Ultima?
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  I don't know if I would do that.
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  If I acted my age.
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  That'd be pretty scary.
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  That's what my daughters keep telling me all the time.
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  They keep telling you to act your age.
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  85. Yes, exactly.
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  It's true, true, true.
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  Do they have those Spirit Halloween costume packs?
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  That's for Nissan Ultima drivers?
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  I think it comes with a restraining order.
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  That was a thing a couple of years ago, right?
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  You could dress up as Porsche Club members and then they'd
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  be, they had BMW Club members.
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  You could always dress up as Corvette owners too.
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  You got the new balance.
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  The White Sox, the Jorts.
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  Halloween is right around the corner.
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  Have you picked your costume?
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  Are you gonna resurrect one of your previous costumes?
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  Do you still have the unicorn onesie?
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  I do, but I upgraded.
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  Aren't you cookie that stuff?
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  She's for cookie.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm pulling to see Tanya's Tomb Raider again.
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  'cause I thought that was pretty snappy.
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  You know, it's funny you bring that up because October seems to be the month
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  where stuff has just broken or gone wrong.
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  We have some issues on the clubhouse side of our website where we
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  have to rebuild the vault because it's gotten a little too big.
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  And I was going through some photos and I just happened to hit upon our
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  road Atlanta trip where we dressed up for Halloween for that Chin Track day.
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  It's amazing.
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  You look back at some of the stuff we did pre COVID, it's really crazy.
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  The antics that we got up to just almost week after week,
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  not just month after month.
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  It was absolutely bonkers.
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  We tried to be pre COVID recently, and then the, the universe worked against us.
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  I, I'm getting to that.
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  You know, I, I wrote an article about it too.
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  I read it.
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  There's some typos.
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  Of course there are.
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  It's okay.
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  Eric and Tanya, given the recent news that just came out that, you know, the average
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  new car price has crept up to $50,000.
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  Let's talk about, do you want to spend $50,000 on a brand new car or nickel
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  and dimming to keep your old car alive?
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  Eric, what's going on in your world?
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  What would you do When it rains, it pours, right?
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  So it's like.
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  Brad, your car, why is it what your stuff's always super easy
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  where you show up with a car that hasn't run in six years.
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  I throw a fuel pump in it and it runs no problem, no issues, no
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  check engine lights, no nothing.
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  Wait.
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  There's no check engine lights that I can tell at the moment.
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  It's fantastic
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  breaking news.
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  Pumpkin spice lives.
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  It does.
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  That is, it was a miracle.
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  We have video proof that it lives.
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  Video proof.
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  It'll be on the website.
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  No, it won't.
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  I'm amazed.
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  It runs on that turpentine That's in the tank too.
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  That tank is full, by the way, the gas tank is full.
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  Yes.
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  Uh, so we need to drain it nearly full, right?
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  Yeah, just burn it off.
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  Just run it for a while.
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  It'll be fine.
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  We'll do the Ferris Bueller thing and put it up on stands
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  in reverse and it'll be perfect.
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  Yeah, we gotta run them clock back.
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  Maybe it's like a communicative disease.
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  You know, you bring another Volkswagen into the equation.
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  So your car gave my car COVID, I think is what it did.
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  Another 14 day quarantine.
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  Uh, now I'm plagued with all these issues.
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  I had a radiator that started leaking.
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  I had all this other stuff and then it just bad to worse throughout the entire
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  weekend, just absolutely drove me nuts.
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  Did you ever get it figured out where I stand at the moment?
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  I got the Jeep situation figured out, which was also part of this mess.
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  The Jeep and the Volkswagen are different species.
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  How did they contract the same diseases?
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  Avian, flu, all the birds can get it right.
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  That's what it is.
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  There's so many moving parts to this equation.
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  The Volkswagen I knew had a radiator problem, and I thought it was one
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  of the fixtures on the radiator.
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  Either the sensor for the fans or the spigot at the bottom or whatever.
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  Something was leaking because it's a 20-year-old radiator, whatever.
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  Turns out the radiator end caps were leaking on the driver's side,
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  and it literally dumped all its fluid in my driveway very slowly.
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  So I ordered a new one.
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  I was like, ah, it's not a big deal.
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  Rip the front end of the car apart, change the radiator out, you know, da da da.
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  Half a day's work.
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  Okay, fine.
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  So while I'm doing all that, I run out of antifreeze.
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  When I go to go refill it, it's like I run into town.
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  It's like, oh.
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  And then I get in the Jeep and the freaking service engine lights
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  come on, oil change due, blah.
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  I was like, all right, well I'm headed to AutoZone anyway.
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  I might as well get oil while I'm at it.
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  You know, come back engine's hot, drain the oil, do the fuel filters.
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  I'm working on two cars simultaneously, right?
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  There were a couple other things I needed to do to the Volkswagen
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  a BS sensors, which as we know as Volkswagen owners, they don't come out
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  unless you have a hammer and chisel.
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  So I beat all of them out.
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  E even though they all didn't need to be changed, they only
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  needed to do two of them.
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  I figured I'll just do all four of them and they're fresh.
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  'cause the, the other, the other two would've gone bad like a month
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  later, thousand percent because that's just the way it works.
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  Got rid of my a BS light and my brake light.
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  That would come on randomly because I had two a BS sensors
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  that were bad, so, okay, fine.
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  Took care of that.
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  'cause I did a system scan and it's like, oh, you have a bad cam sensor on cam two.
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  I'm like, okay, cool.
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  I'll order those too.
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  They're actually super easy to change.
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  You know, you can actually get to them.
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  There's not a ton of stuff in the way.
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  This is where things started to get slightly pear shaped.
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  So I put two new cam sensors in again, figuring, well if one's gonna go,
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  might as well do the other one too.
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  And then the car did nothing but throw check engine lights constantly.
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  Cam one was bad, cam one was bad, cam one was bad.
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  I'm like, it's a brand new sensor.
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  So unless I misordered them and they're not the same, I ended up putting
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  the factory Bosch one back in that's literally 20 years old and it runs fine.
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  And so I'm like, okay, cool.
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  I drove it around, ran grape, blah, blah, blah.
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  So the next day, Tanya and I, we get a call from Porsche Al,
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  we go over to his house 'cause he's having a problem with his V.
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  It was like VW weekend.
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  Everybody's having an issue.
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  Right?
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  Get over to Porsche, Al's house.
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  He's got this old Jetta.
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  He's complaining that fifth gear disappeared.
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  Well, turns out the bushings inside the car, another known fail point on all Mark.
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  Four Volkswagens.
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  He never changed the bushings.
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  He apparently ordered them and then lost them, and he's gonna order them again.
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  It's a whole kerfuffle.
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  I told him, I said, there's no amount adjusting on this planet
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  that I can do to this shift.
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  Linkage fifth is never gonna be found.
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  'cause there's literally not enough material to get the cables over there.
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  Like you need to replace all that.
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  Could you find parts from Home Depot?
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  I could have, but it wasn't worth it.
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  There's a kit from Diesel Geek in Texas for 50 bucks.
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  Takes care of the problem for the rest of your life.
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  Not Kerm and TDI?
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  No, no, no, no.
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  Diesel geek.
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  Got it.
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  Driving back with the Jeep, we go to go merge on the highway.
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  I made it, I don't know, 25 yards.
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  Down the off ramp and we heard this pop whoosh sound come from
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  somewhere in the engine compartment.
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  And I'm like, man, we just totally lost all boost.
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  And then big red lights on the center dash and it's like
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  service throttle control module.
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  And I'm like, oh no.
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  I went through this once before when the Jeep was newer and the,
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  it was covered under warranty.
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  It's like a $4,000 replacement to do this thing.
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  'cause it's a module on the transmission, it connects to the throttle position
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  sensor and you can do all this stuff and it, it's a nightmare.
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  It was in, it was in the shop for like a week, right?
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  For them to do this.
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  And I'm like, I am not looking forward to this one bit.
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  Luckily the Jeep has torques.
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  It has a lot of torques.
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  Yeah, mind you, Sunday morning people are going to church, going
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  to brunch, wherever they're going.
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  We've managed to keep up with traffic with no boost.
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  I'm like fooling the transmission.
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  I'm playing with the throttle to get it to shift and get it to downshift
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  and like all this kinda stuff.
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  It locks out the manual controls.
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  So you can't use the flappy paddles, you can't put it in sport mode
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  and God forbid you turn it off.
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  So it's like, let's just get home.
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  We limp all the way home and then I just park it.
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  And we were supposed to go to a trunk or treat at the Carlisle Fairgrounds
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  where they hold, you know, Corvettes of Carlisle and the GM Nationals and the
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  Ford Nationals and all these big shows.
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  And we even did a swap meet there many, many years ago.
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  Again, going through all these pictures in the fall.
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  Do you remember when we did the Euro show and sold off all that stuff?
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  Yep.
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  So same place, right?
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  Pack up the fam, we're gonna go to the trunk or treat.
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  I decided to take the Volkswagen because it's ready to go.
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  Everything's fixed.
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  You know, the doctor cleared it for service.
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  I make it, I don't know, five, six miles from the house, not even.
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  And we're in a line of cars going up north towards Pennsylvania and suddenly
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  it just starts bucking and lurching.
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  And the EPC light on the dashboard is flashing, which is the equivalent
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  to the service throttle control module that was on the Jeep.
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  And I'm like, it's been two hours.
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  Did the cars talk to each other?
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  Are they in cahoots?
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  What the hell's going on here?
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  Delusion.
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  So we're on the side of the road.
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  I pull off into this like little farm at, I don't even know what to call it.
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  Like dude shows up with a tractor.
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  He is like, y'all all right, you need anything?
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  And I'm like, if you don't have an OBD scanner, no.
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  Uh, you know I can't do anything for you.
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  You wanna keep one in the car?
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  I should.
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  At this point I should.
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  I've got like 12 different kinds too, which is the ironic part, realizing that
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  it was the EPC and thinking back to last year, I had an issue where I was driving
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  to meet up with Mountain Mandan and the car started doing some weird stuff on
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  the highway, like bucking and lurching and whatever, but I was able to reset it
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  by, you know, doing the old key trick.
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  You're like 60 miles an hour, kill the ignition, pop the clutch, turn
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  it back on, and just keep going.
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  Right?
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  And it, it cleared itself out and showed itself every now and
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  again, just a weird hesitation when you're going down the highway.
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  Everything I read online, it's like throttle body, throttle position sensor.
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  It's all together, right?
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  It's all electronic.
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  It's all also, again, 20 plus years old.
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  So I'm like, oh man.
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  It finally kicked the bucket.
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  I popped the hood.
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  I get out.
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  I pulled both connectors from the cam sensors just in case something
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  was weird with those because they were giving me issues before.
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  And I also popped the connector to the throttle body and
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  we let it sit for a minute.
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  Plugged everything back in.
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  Bra fires up and we're like, cool.
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  We're gonna get the heck outta here.
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  Make it 50 yards.
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  Buck, buck, buck.
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  Car's running like crap.
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  Pull into the air park and then my wife has to come, bring me the scanner
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  and you know, kind of help bail me out and all those kind of things.
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  So to make a long story short, we kept doing this every couple miles
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  and then the car would fail and I was trying to get it home in limp mode.
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  The Volkswagen though, it has torque two, the computer will not
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  let it go above 20 mile an hour.
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  It's pathetic, right?
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  At least the Jeep, I mean, we could get it up to 70.
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  As long as you played with the transmission and you kept it
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  within the power band where it would make torque, it was fine.
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  You could keep up with traffic.
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  The Volkswagen was impossible.
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  Finally, it just died right in front of a restaurant.
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  So we pulled in.
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  We found an open parking spot, and then this other VW owner comes running over.
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  He's got an eos, you know, just starts helping us push the car.
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  So we backed it into a spot.
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  I called aaa, they towed me home.
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  What did you get to eat at the restaurant while you were waiting for aaa?
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  Nothing.
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  Nothing.
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  Well, that sounds like a bad time then.
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  You should have said, went inside and sat and ate.
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  What was it?
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  At least a good restaurant like what was it?
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  Was it Denny's?
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  No, it was a diner.
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  Perfect.
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  You should have went in and got some pie.
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  I feel like you did yourself a disservice.
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  You're not wrong about that.
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  If AAA had done what they normally do, which is we'll be there in 20 minutes and
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  three hours later they show up instead.
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  This guy, he was there, had us hooked up and delivered in less than an hour.
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  Domino's isn't even that fast, right?
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  It's like, boom, done.
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  There was no time to get pie because we were in and out.
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  There's always time for pie.
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  I'm tired, I'm defeated, I'm deflated.
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  Both cars are down.
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  I'm just like, you gotta be kidding me.
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  To make matters worse than we decided to watch the Formula
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  One race, which we'll get to.
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  So jump ahead to Monday.
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  The Jeep's fixed with a bunch of MacGyvering, a bunch of mistakes.
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  I was able to come up with a solution and where the problem came from, I was right.
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  What I heard was not incorrect.
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  It was a boost leak, like something in the system blew apart.
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  It's not where I expected it to blow apart.
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  And so, you know, the ECU says under boost, and I'm like,
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  okay, it's all turbo related.
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  Either I blew up the turbo or it's something in the intercooler system broke.
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  Not a problem.
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  What was going on is it was separating mind you.
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  After almost five years of being on the car, the silicone adapter
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  for my inner cooler kit kept coming off the throttle body, and so it
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  was just venting to atmosphere.
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  So the, the motor was literally pulling no air filter, no nothing.
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  It was just pulling whatever air it could from under the hood.
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  Can you reenact that motion again for our viewers?
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  What was that motion?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  For those that don't have that can't see.
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  It's the shake weight motion.
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  So anyway.
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  Some MacGyvering, some trial and error, some test driving and whatnot.
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  What I ended up doing was I went back to the factory part, cut
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  it and made a hybrid solution.
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  I basically forced their silicone to work with the metal and I made a
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  piece that actually holds on, like you can put full Brad strength on it.
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  It's not coming off of the throttle body now, which is nice.
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  When I drove it, it feels peppier because now there's not boost
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  leak at the throttle body.
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  I feel like you did yourself a disservice.
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  Again, not fixing it with Volkswagen parts 'cause that's what we tend to do.
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  Well, I used the Volkswagen Band clamp because I needed something bigger.
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  That counts.
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  Okay.
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  Counts.
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  That counts.
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  All right.
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  That that works.
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  You know, I'm waiting on a throttle body for the Volkswagen, but
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  that'll get fixed soon enough, so that should be pretty easy.
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  My only fear is that these days, the quality of the parts is what scares me.
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  The 20-year-old part lasted 20 years.
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  The new parts that are coming from city of industry, China, if they
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  last 20 minutes, I'll be happy.
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  You know, and it is sort of like Harbor Freight, you know what I mean?
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  If it lasts 30 days.
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  You're doing pretty good.
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  Yeah, they're like single use tools.
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  I have a similar problem experience, the similar Poltergeist on the beetle
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  right now that I can't get it to not have a check engine light or
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  not have a failed readiness state.
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  And one of my codes was CAM position sensor.
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  So I changed the cam position sensor.
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  Still have the code, find out that maybe it's the crankshaft position sensor
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  change, crankshaft position sensor.
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  Still have the code, wait, put the original 20 some odd year old camshaft
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  position or sensor back on, oh, I don't have a code anymore regarding.
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  I got a different code now for something else, but I don't have that code anymore.
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  But I bought a German part.
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  Yeah, I was gonna say Eric, how come you're buying parts from China?
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  Can you still get a OEM?
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  Well you can still buy, so like I could have bought Bosch OEM or genuine VW Audi
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  cam shop sensor for like $300, right?
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  Or then you look at the made in Germany, blah, blah, blah, one for 30.
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  Yeah.
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  How do you know what the difference is and how do you know that that other
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  company didn't make it for Bosch and they put, you know, I don't know.
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  So to your point, the throttle bodies for the 24 valve VR sixes,
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  they are no longer available.
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  Nobody has them unless you buy them Chinese made or whatever
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  it is, like finding a genuine Bosch or a genuine Volkswagen.
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  One's gonna come from a third party reseller from basically a salvage yard.
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  Or you know, somebody like a, like a strip search or a Ola or one of those
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  companies that just takes those cars apart and they got parts on the shelf.
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  You know, that kind of thing.
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  New is not always the option.
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  And I mean, I looked everywhere, whether it was ECS or FCP or Euro
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  tuning or Rock Auto or O 34 Motorsport.
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  I mean, you just go down the list of German man, the, even the
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  obscure ones, Blauer, Newgen, and two Bennett, like, does anybody
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  have this part from 20 years ago?
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  And the answer is no.
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  You just kind of get what you get and you're not gonna be upset.
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  Now the question is, do I need to buy another one?
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  To have it on the shelf if and when this one fails.
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  Right.
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  That becomes the bigger problem.
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  Yes.
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  Or keep an eye out for one on eBay, which is where I also started looking
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  and I have bought some parts and oddly enough parts from Eastern block
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  countries like Latvia and whatnot.
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  It's actually been really good quality stuff.
• 16:20
  I've ordered things for the Volkswagens and for the Jeep from that part of
• 16:24
  the world, and I've had zero issues even coming from like record yards
• 16:27
  and stuff out there where it's like euro only parts kind of thing.
• 16:30
  No issues.
• 16:31
  Now granted, we're in a new world now with tariffs and shipping and UPS
• 16:35
  throwing packages away because they don't know how to charge you for the
• 16:39
  tariffs and all that kind of stuff.
• 16:40
  Unfortunately, I, I'm in a position of if I wanna drive the car, I'm
• 16:44
  gonna have to get what I can get.
• 16:45
  And irony of ironies the place, I found parts that have actually been
• 16:51
  rather decent, I'm gonna use that word.
• 16:53
  I don't wanna say they're good, but they're decent.
• 16:55
  So far I haven't had a failure rate on anything I've ordered from Amazon.
• 16:58
  Interesting.
• 16:59
  So I ordered my throttle body from Amazon.
• 17:01
  On the blue car before I sold it, I ordered an AC compressor from,
• 17:06
  it wasn't Amazon, it was Walmart.
• 17:07
  Really?
• 17:08
  You got the AC compressor from Walmart?
• 17:10
  Yep.
• 17:11
  I would've never thought to look there.
• 17:13
  Uh, I didn't.
• 17:13
  I did a Google search and Walmart came up and they had had it in stock and
• 17:18
  that was why I bought it from them.
• 17:19
  It didn't work, but I bought one from Walmart.
• 17:23
  It, it may have worked.
• 17:24
  I never got a chance to test it.
• 17:26
  Oh.
• 17:26
  Because I didn't, I didn't recharge the system or anything like that.
• 17:28
  So maybe it worked, maybe it didn't.
• 17:30
  Uh, well, in my world, so you all have issues with your cars.
• 17:34
  Let me talk about the issues I've got with my, with my truck
• 17:38
  please.
• 17:39
  I hear silence.
• 17:40
  What, what issues do you, oh, none.
• 17:41
  Ah.
• 17:44
  Must be nice.
• 17:45
  Must be nice.
• 17:46
  I mean, granted karma, I'm probably gonna go out and it's not gonna start, and I'm
• 17:50
  gonna have four flat tires and whatever.
• 17:52
  No, you should have bought a Toyota.
• 17:53
  That's, that's all I'm gonna say.
• 17:55
  How many miles does your truck have on it these days?
• 17:57
  Uh, 86,000.
• 18:00
  That's a baby.
• 18:01
  It's just a baby.
• 18:03
  It's just a baby, but it's eight years old.
• 18:06
  And the only issues I've had outside of normal maintenance
• 18:10
  is the first week I had it.
• 18:11
  There was a transmission sensor that was faulty from the factory.
• 18:14
  Yeah, they replaced it like immediately and then I had a battery die prematurely.
• 18:19
  I put a new battery in and I haven't had to do anything to it
• 18:23
  since regarding repairs, so I have to kind of separate the thoughts.
• 18:27
  Right.
• 18:27
  The Volkswagen is old.
• 18:29
  It's 23 years old this year.
• 18:30
  Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 18:31
  And stuff's gonna go bad, right?
• 18:33
  Yes.
• 18:33
  It just is.
• 18:33
  Especially old electronics things with servos and gears and stuff gets gummed up.
• 18:39
  You know, I was reading online, there's guys that will take throttle
• 18:41
  bodies and those electronic throttle position sensors, you can send
• 18:45
  'em off and have 'em rebuilt.
• 18:47
  There's companies that do that might be worth it.
• 18:49
  Yeah, exactly.
• 18:50
  There's companies that do that with dashboards and
• 18:52
  stuff from like the old days.
• 18:53
  That I'm not, I'm not too worried about because I kind of feel
• 18:56
  like I got my money's worth outta my throttle body, right?
• 18:58
  It is what it is.
• 18:59
  I am curious to open it, see what's wrong with it.
• 19:01
  Maybe it's shear a tooth or or something like that.
• 19:04
  But the Jeep, as you know, 156,000 miles now 11 years old, it's
• 19:08
  been knock on wood, reliable.
• 19:10
  I've really had no issues with it.
• 19:11
  So my thing is the issue I had, which suddenly reared its ugly head after
• 19:16
  five years of having this intercooler kit on the car, it's old silicone.
• 19:20
  The silicone goes bad.
• 19:21
  I had the same problem with the factory charge hose or whatever the hose is
• 19:26
  called, into the throttle body on the TDI.
• 19:29
  Something happens to the rubber and it just didn't matter how tight
• 19:33
  you squeeze the band clamp on.
• 19:34
  It would pop off.
• 19:36
  It would pop off, and it would pop off, and it ended up buying a new one.
• 19:39
  And you could actually see when you put them side by side,
• 19:41
  it had like shrank slightly.
• 19:43
  So like with age and time, it just, and the same thing would happen.
• 19:47
  You were driving down the road and it would go p and then suddenly you
• 19:50
  couldn't get out of your own way.
• 19:51
  And I, there's so many times like, let me pull over and I'm on the highway,
• 19:55
  pull over on the side of the road, tighten it back up, and then you'd
• 19:57
  go 10 minutes down the road and p and then you weren't accelerating anymore.
• 20:01
  So there's something with.
• 20:03
  The rubber and the silicone that Yeah, it ages out.
• 20:06
  And I'm not blaming one side or the other with the Jeep.
• 20:09
  If you look at how that throttle body is designed, it's dumb.
• 20:13
  Oh yeah.
• 20:14
  The way it's made is specific to the connector that they developed.
• 20:18
  Yeah.
• 20:18
  Which is like nothing else had they made it, you know, like a standard rib slip a
• 20:22
  hose over in a turbo clamp, you could put anything you wanted on there, but it's
• 20:26
  specifically designed for that piece.
• 20:29
  But they all do it.
• 20:30
  'cause even the Volkswagen was specifically designed
• 20:32
  with the, what do you call it?
• 20:34
  Not a pin, but it's got the collar, yeah.
• 20:37
  Bracket that slips around it.
• 20:38
  And even that, like there's play in it.
• 20:40
  So Kma sells kits or whatever, where basically they create a collar on it
• 20:45
  to clamp it and like force it that it, it can't wear it over time where it
• 20:49
  wears out their proprietary BS thing.
• 20:52
  Keeps it all nice and tight so you're not losing boost.
• 20:54
  But I don't know why they all do that.
• 20:56
  Like what's the reason?
• 20:57
  Proprietary, it's like overcomplicating something.
• 20:59
  Exactly.
• 21:00
  And in my case people are probably going Well why did you even
• 21:03
  change those pipes to begin with?
• 21:04
  Well first of all, the inner cooler kit is metal and it doesn't expand or contract,
• 21:09
  which is a problem with the factory one because they would swell and then the
• 21:12
  pipes would burst because they were thin.
• 21:14
  The one in particular at the top, at the throttle body, the way they
• 21:17
  designed it, it sits up next to the fan housing and by engine vibration you
• 21:21
  could, I showed Tanya a picture of it.
• 21:23
  It starts to wear into the pipe.
• 21:25
  So it's gonna end up eventually cutting it.
• 21:27
  Now the section that I salvaged to make my adapter piece is nowhere near that.
• 21:31
  It's up at the throttle body, so I only needed a couple of inches
• 21:34
  and I discarded the rest of it.
• 21:36
  Horror design or otherwise, whatever.
• 21:38
  I mean, it's gone this long without an issue and hopefully it goes
• 21:41
  another 10, 20 years without an issue.
• 21:43
  Which circles back to your original point, Brad.
• 21:46
  I still think it's cheaper to keep her.
• 21:47
  Now I've got a question for you, you and me to an extent, and certainly Tanya are.
• 21:54
  More mechanically inclined than your average auto buyer.
• 21:59
  Well, and that's the thing, given the repairs that you just had to do
• 22:04
  and not knowing about Amazon Auto, right, and ECS or Euro tuning or
• 22:10
  whatever, your car breaks, AAA tos you to a shop In your estimation.
• 22:15
  I know you don't know for certain.
• 22:17
  Let's start with the Volkswagen.
• 22:18
  How much would it have cost, labor and parts.
• 22:21
  To fix the Volkswagen at any reasonably priced independent shop?
• 22:25
  $800. $800 to tell me they couldn't find the parts for it.
• 22:30
  Let's start there.
• 22:31
  Yeah.
• 22:32
  There's that.
• 22:33
  Assuming the part was available.
• 22:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:36
  Assuming they got the part, they got it at whatever their cost is
• 22:39
  and they charge you 10% markup.
• 22:41
  If they bought an OEM part, easily 300 bucks Probably for the part, yeah.
• 22:46
  Three, 400.
• 22:47
  There are some shops that exclusively deal in OEM parts, right?
• 22:51
  They won buy aftermarket, so No, no, no.
• 22:53
  A hundred percent.
• 22:54
  What would you say it would cost you and then we'll, we'll turn to the Jeep.
• 22:57
  The Jeep, because the piping had been changed.
• 23:01
  If you took it to a shop.
• 23:03
  Like a regular shop, not like an auto fab or a machine shop or you
• 23:08
  know, any fabricator or whatever.
• 23:09
  I would've told you to put the factory parts back on it.
• 23:11
  Yeah, exactly.
• 23:12
  And then you're gonna buy them new.
• 23:14
  And at that point I'm like, well, I have 'em in a box, I'll
• 23:16
  just put 'em back on myself.
• 23:17
  It is not an easy job because you got, again, you gotta take the front
• 23:20
  end to part to get to all that stuff.
• 23:21
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  But Susie May with her, her own Jeep that.
• 23:25
  Takes it to the dealership for service and stuff.
• 23:27
  She decides to go to an independent place, you know, to get it fixed.
• 23:31
  We probably, for that issue that he had, you're probably talking 200
• 23:35
  bucks for the upper pipe and then the labor, how was it made stock?
• 23:40
  Because like that same elbow pipe, well, it's not an elbow on the Jeep,
• 23:43
  but the elbow pipe and the Volkswagen, I think was like $75 or something.
• 23:47
  It's really big.
• 23:48
  It's like two and a half feet long.
• 23:50
  Okay.
• 23:50
  So maybe one 50.
• 23:52
  And then even though it's five minutes to change an hour of labor, so 300.
• 23:57
  Three 50.
• 23:58
  Most shops charge what?
• 23:59
  A hundred?
• 23:59
  A hundred?
• 24:00
  125. Closer to one 50.
• 24:02
  Yeah.
• 24:02
  Okay.
• 24:02
  So, so one 50 labor.
• 24:04
  Let, let's be on the, the, the high side, be a little more conservative.
• 24:07
  So one 50 labor, you know, an hour to do it.
• 24:09
  And then an hour, 150, $200 in parts.
• 24:12
  So, okay, so three 50 like Tanya was saying, and then Tanya with your
• 24:16
  issue, and then the troubleshooting.
• 24:18
  'cause you had to do some troubleshooting too, even when you got the parts.
• 24:21
  Oh my God.
• 24:21
  With my issues and what they're probably gonna end up being.
• 24:24
  Well, if they were gonna buy me OEM parts, I'd have to go back and look.
• 24:27
  But I think it was a couple hundred dollars for a crankshaft position sensor
• 24:30
  and even that camshaft position sensor.
• 24:32
  So since the codes were confusing to me 'cause it threw different
• 24:35
  codes and probably there's nothing actually wrong with the CAM and
• 24:39
  it's actually is the crank one.
• 24:40
  If they did change both, you're already banging on $400 or $500 just in parts.
• 24:46
  Right.
• 24:46
  It's not hard to change.
• 24:48
  'cause the cam is very easy.
• 24:51
  You gotta charge you minimum of an an hour.
• 24:53
  Yeah.
• 24:53
  The crankshafts a little more tricky to get to easily another hour there.
• 24:57
  So you're knocking on, what do we add up to four or five?
• 25:00
  You're like 600 bucks maybe.
• 25:01
  And don't forget markup on parts and then all the shop fees because the
• 25:06
  environmental, this and the Yeah, we used the fingers worth of grease.
• 25:10
  The previous part disposal fee to Right.
• 25:12
  All the BS that is just cash in their pocket.
• 25:15
  I mean, I get it.
• 25:16
  They gotta pay the bills and they gotta keep the lights on.
• 25:18
  So to the original question.
• 25:20
  If these parts go another 20 years, that's $600 divided out.
• 25:25
  Over 20 cost of ownership there is still low.
• 25:28
  To pull that thread a little further, you've got a car that you own outright.
• 25:33
  It's completely paid off.
• 25:34
  So you're not putting seven, eight, $900 a month into a car payment.
• 25:38
  You're putting that into a savings account to absorb issues like this.
• 25:42
  Right.
• 25:43
  So to Eric's point, you know, as we come full circle, I'm gonna say something
• 25:47
  that they say about marriages and stuff, it's just a joke, but it's,
• 25:50
  it's cheaper to keep her, it's cheaper to keep your old car on the road.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:54
  Running always a hundred percent.
• 25:56
  Unless you're driving something that just like is super niche, like a, an
• 26:01
  old Maserati or something that just by turbo is immediately a money fit.
• 26:06
  Exactly.
• 26:06
  You just run it off a cliff.
• 26:08
  You put the track insurance on it.
• 26:10
  Then you take it to the track and you purposefully run it into the wall and
• 26:13
  total it so you get your money back.
• 26:15
  It declared value anyway, the point is it's still cheaper to keep your old car on
• 26:20
  the road than it is to go buy, especially if your car's only like 10 years old.
• 26:24
  Yeah.
• 26:24
  It's already got the updated safety stuff that the old, old cars don't have.
• 26:28
  So you're, it's still safer and cheaper.
• 26:30
  There's a lot of points here that you guys have made.
• 26:32
  Tanya's talking about amortizing, the total cost of ownership
• 26:35
  and all that kind of stuff.
• 26:36
  And I think Brad, you hit on something without saying something, which was,
• 26:40
  there's also hidden costs when you go buy a new car because the insurance
• 26:43
  on your old car is probably cheaper than the insurance on your new car.
• 26:47
  You know, things like that.
• 26:47
  And just because you buy a new car, just like if you buy a new construction house,
• 26:51
  for example, doesn't mean it's not gonna have its own problems and it's program.
• 26:55
  Right.
• 26:55
  Right.
• 26:56
  And so now on top of that, you've got your $900 car payment plus.
• 27:00
  The service cost and the maintenance and stuff like that.
• 27:03
  Let's talk about something there, because this is something we talked about in the
• 27:05
  last, I don't know if it was the last episode or one of the last episodes.
• 27:09
  The question was, in 20 years, what will my kids be driving kind of thing.
• 27:14
  What car am I holding onto given the maybe possible electronics gremlins We're
• 27:20
  seeing in cars we already own 20, 25 years old, that we could arguably say maybe
• 27:24
  build quality was better 25 years ago.
• 27:26
  Where do we think a car with 10,000 times more electronics?
• 27:31
  In them.
• 27:32
  Do we really think in 20 years, how do you fix them at that point?
• 27:35
  When all of the gremlins start going bad, I think my kids and
• 27:39
  Eric's kids are probably gonna end up driving Mark four Volkswagens.
• 27:43
  We just need to resurrect them all now and save them and just park
• 27:47
  them somewhere and then fix them.
• 27:48
  But I think Tanya's steering this conversation in, in a really interesting
• 27:52
  direction because the cars of today that I deem in a similar category to the
• 27:59
  cars of yesteryear, of our yesteryear.
• 28:01
  I'm not talking about Grand Pappy's Packard and you know, the 1957 Chevy
• 28:05
  Bel Air, and yeah, those things, you could fix 'em with the screwdriver and
• 28:08
  a dull knife, the hammer of the Clarks.
• 28:10
  The cars of today that my kids will be driving 20 years from now.
• 28:13
  'cause I did think about this after we talked about that on that last
• 28:16
  episode, is you have to lean Japanese because the Japanese have brought
• 28:21
  creature comforts into their vehicles, but they didn't overcomplicate
• 28:26
  them the way the Germans did.
• 28:28
  Right.
• 28:29
  I don't wanna talk about the Italians.
• 28:30
  I don't wanna talk about the rest of whatever.
• 28:32
  The Americans are still sort of experimenting, like they're trying to
• 28:35
  be cool and we're gonna put gadgets and gizmos and it's all kind of
• 28:38
  half baked at the end of the day.
• 28:40
  But the Germans went full space programs, star Wars, everything has
• 28:45
  its own processor, its own module, its own subdivided, subprocesses.
• 28:51
  It's like Tron inside of every car.
• 28:54
  Absolutely bonkers.
• 28:55
  And you need a degree in not being a mechanic, being a computer scientist to
• 29:00
  work on a Mercedes or an Audi, or even the lowliest of lowly Volkswagens these days.
• 29:05
  And so I think the Japanese, when you open the hood of a Mazda, or you look
• 29:10
  at the Koreans and you open the hood of a Hyundai, like I've said, you still
• 29:13
  look at it and go, Hey, there's a motor.
• 29:16
  You open the hood of A BMW, or you open the hood of an Audi and
• 29:19
  you're like, um, where's the engine?
• 29:22
  Like everything's covered.
• 29:23
  Everything's shrouded.
• 29:24
  Everything's shielded.
• 29:25
  You gotta spend half a day just to get to a coil pack, let alone to anything major.
• 29:30
  And that's where I'm starting to lose my loyalty.
• 29:33
  Unfortunately, I've been exiting this stage for quite a long time.
• 29:35
  I've said it before, but it's been a long, very slow and painful road
• 29:39
  to say goodbye to Volkswagen just because it's what you know, what you
• 29:44
  imprinted on, what you grew up with.
• 29:45
  Now, I'm still a huge fan of the old cars, but the new ones, you look at the
• 29:49
  price tag of a brand new GTI today, I've said it before, you guys scoffed at me.
• 29:54
  If you go price out the cars that we want as an enthusiast, the auto bond
• 29:59
  top edition, it starts at like 41.
• 30:02
  It's insane.
• 30:03
  It's insane.
• 30:04
  So by the time you're out tags, title insurance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
• 30:07
  blah, blah, blah, blah, you're, you're banging on fifties door on a front
• 30:11
  wheel drive, no manual transmission.
• 30:14
  GTI called it.
• 30:15
  It only gets worse from there.
• 30:16
  So my point is, if you're thinking about the car of tomorrow for your
• 30:21
  kid that you can help them work on, the list is gonna be really short.
• 30:25
  I still think the Jeeps, even though I gotta talk about a Wrangler
• 30:29
  experience I had here in a little bit.
• 30:31
  Oh, wranglers are terrible for kids.
• 30:32
  They are, but from a workability perspective, they're still
• 30:36
  kind of dirt simple, right?
• 30:37
  Like any pickup truck is kind of dirt simple from a certain age.
• 30:41
  And again, I think the Japanese cars are on the simpler side and
• 30:44
  the cor, some of the Korean cars.
• 30:46
  But German cars, I would not recommend them for first time drivers.
• 30:50
  It was funny you said Italian.
• 30:51
  Anybody that buys their kid like a, a Maserati, even like the, the, the Ghibli
• 30:56
  Ghibli the giblets, anybody buys their kid one of those, or the, the Alpha Romeos.
• 31:01
  I was thinking the 500.
• 31:02
  They're not worried about the maintenance cost.
• 31:05
  No, not at all.
• 31:06
  True, true, true.
• 31:07
  Yeah.
• 31:07
  You shouldn't be driving.
• 31:08
  No.
• 31:08
  I mean I think our showcase kind of went everywhere or nowhere at the same time.
• 31:12
  Well, no, I mean it started with a good point with the car prices.
• 31:16
  Consistently going up given what's going on in your neck of the woods.
• 31:20
  With the government shutdown?
• 31:21
  Yeah.
• 31:21
  And the reduction in federal workforce.
• 31:24
  Lots of people looking for jobs.
• 31:25
  Lots of people.
• 31:26
  Penny pinching now yet still like something's gotta give.
• 31:29
  'cause people are losing their jobs.
• 31:30
  Their incomes are shrinking.
• 31:31
  But car prices and prices in general for everything are going up.
• 31:35
  But people are still buying cars.
• 31:37
  Why?
• 31:37
  I don't know.
• 31:38
  Look at your 2005 Honda Accord that's sitting in your driveway.
• 31:44
  Ask yourself, do I really need a new car or can I just put a new alternator in it
• 31:48
  and just drive it for another 50 years?
• 31:50
  'cause I guarantee you that car you'll get another 50 years out of it.
• 31:53
  I think that's just it too.
• 31:54
  Like you have to ask yourself.
• 31:56
  I know the bills can be shocking sometimes, especially if you're
• 31:58
  not doing the work yourself.
• 31:59
  To Tanya's point earlier, how long did you go, unless this
• 32:03
  is like a recurring problem.
• 32:05
  Did you go before that alternator quit?
• 32:07
  Yeah, well you went 20 years before it quit, so put another one in it.
• 32:11
  Cross your fingers.
• 32:11
  It goes another at least 10.
• 32:13
  Yeah, and I will say a lot of people did shy away from turning their own wrenches
• 32:18
  for quite a long time, but I am still amazed by the number of YouTube videos.
• 32:23
  Where you can get help and people will walk you through step-by-step how to
• 32:26
  change even the most complicated things.
• 32:28
  And I, myself sometimes are like, man, how do I do that again?
• 32:31
  And I don't wanna go to the Bentley manual because that drives me crazy.
• 32:35
  It's written by, I don't know who writes those.
• 32:38
  They're insane.
• 32:38
  They're not written well and the, and they're not documented.
• 32:41
  Well, it's like 5,000 pages of nonsense.
• 32:43
  And so I go to YouTube and then five minutes later I'm like,
• 32:46
  oh yeah, that's how you do it.
• 32:47
  That's right.
• 32:47
  Turn it this way.
• 32:48
  And spin on your head and tap your belly three times.
• 32:50
  And that's how you do the shift linkage, right?
• 32:52
  I mean, and to your point, here's where I gotta give major props.
• 32:56
  To, at least in the Volkswagen community, and I'm sure there are others in the, the
• 33:01
  other manufacturer communities, uh, but I gotta give major props to ECS tuning
• 33:06
  and FCP Euro, mainly FCP Euro because they have YouTube tutorial videos.
• 33:12
  Yeah.
• 33:12
  For many, many jobs.
• 33:14
  When I had to do the PCV valve and the intake, uh, manifold gasket on
• 33:19
  my, my R 32, there was a step-by-step video how to take it apart, how to do
• 33:25
  it, all the pitfalls, all the advice and everything the tools needed.
• 33:28
  FCP Euro put it out and it a job that I never in a million
• 33:33
  years would've attempted myself.
• 33:35
  I tried it and I was able to do it, and I did it successfully.
• 33:38
  It was because of that YouTube video that I was able to do so, and you
• 33:41
  brought up two companies that are at the forefront in the German space, right.
• 33:46
  They carry parts for BMWs and Audis and Porsches and Mercedes, and you name it.
• 33:51
  Interestingly enough, because they're at each other's throats
• 33:53
  from a competition perspective, both now have that lifetime warranty.
• 33:57
  So it's like if you buy the part and it fails, they'll send you another one.
• 34:01
  And if you buy the part and it wears out in five years and they
• 34:04
  send you another one, as long as you send the original one back.
• 34:06
  I don't understand how they make any money off of that or how it works.
• 34:10
  I mean, you could do used motor oil.
• 34:12
  We've done brake pads for the race cars using their lifetime
• 34:15
  warranty, stuff like that.
• 34:16
  It works.
• 34:17
  I'm not gonna question it.
• 34:18
  As long as they keep doing it, I'm happy.
• 34:20
  But that also factors in if you are a German car owner, a German
• 34:24
  car enthusiast, to do the work yourself, it gets a lot cheaper.
• 34:28
  When you have companies providing those types of warranties long term,
• 34:31
  'cause Tanya, that cam sensor, she's gonna send it back or they'll send her
• 34:35
  another one and she only paid for the one the first time and then that's it.
• 34:39
  Right?
• 34:39
  She can replace it as many times as she needs to.
• 34:41
  And that's actually pretty cool.
• 34:42
  You don't see that anymore.
• 34:44
  I'm sure there's other companies, but at least in, in the German car space, those
• 34:47
  two are the ones that are gonna do it.
• 34:48
  If you've got a Japanese car, an Italian car, or God forbid, like a
• 34:52
  Swedish car, which FCP Euro covers Swedish cars too, they, well, they
• 34:56
  check with whatever aftermarket sites you're using and see if they offer
• 35:00
  something like that because that could definitely help you limit your costs.
• 35:03
  The independent shops you go to, you know, as we're giving advice now, before you go
• 35:08
  in there and have them do work for you, make sure if you want to supply your own
• 35:11
  parts, that they allow you to do that.
• 35:13
  Some shops do not allow you to bring your own parts, right?
• 35:15
  So I think Tanya ran into that in Texas.
• 35:17
  The shop I use here in, in Virginia, the one shop will
• 35:19
  not let me bring my own parts.
• 35:21
  That's the one that only uses OEM parts.
• 35:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:23
  Uh, I did find another shop that will, if I need to go there, but.
• 35:27
  It's cheaper to keep your old car on the road, stop buying new cars.
• 35:30
  It's not doing anybody any good except for the car makers and the dealers.
• 35:34
  So keep your old cars on the road.
• 35:36
  Well, that's probably a good segue to talk about the craziness
• 35:39
  happening in the new car world.
• 35:40
  So maybe we'll switch back to our regularly scheduled
• 35:42
  ranting and raving, shall we?
• 35:44
  Sure.
• 35:44
  And since we tend to lean a little bit heavy in the world of Volkswagen, we'll
• 35:48
  just continue in pulling that thread.
• 35:51
  To your point, Brad, times are tough decisions were
• 35:54
  made, the people have spoken.
• 35:57
  We don't want your stinking EVs.
• 35:59
  So facilities that are home to cars like the Q4 E tron and the ID four
• 36:04
  and the ID seven are seeing reduced output and are in the brink of closure.
• 36:09
  Mm mm What a shame.
• 36:11
  I think it is a reminder that the industry giants need to adjust their strategy
• 36:16
  and listen to what people actually want.
• 36:18
  I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Toyota, we weren't sure what
• 36:22
  they were doing, but when Toyota does something, people should pay attention.
• 36:27
  Toyota said, we're sticking with hybrid.
• 36:29
  Hybrid is the answer, and everybody else should have been, you know, maybe we
• 36:34
  shouldn't follow Tesla down this path.
• 36:38
  I'm just gonna leave that where it is.
• 36:39
  Toyota's not without their own issues.
• 36:42
  I mean the, all the recalls and stuff on the new Tundra with the twin Turbo
• 36:46
  V six and everything, I mean, they make missteps, but they make good decisions
• 36:51
  much more often than they do the missteps.
• 36:54
  And they correct the missteps very quickly.
• 36:56
  I bet if that same truck had not had a twin turbo V six and had a V
• 37:00
  eight normally aspirated like has been around for a million years,
• 37:03
  thanks to Toyota's debut into nascar, they probably have no issues.
• 37:07
  There's a reason, there's all kinds of memes about the people and the
• 37:10
  owners of the truck with the motor that I have and how they look
• 37:14
  down on all other Toyota owners.
• 37:16
  Uh, yeah.
• 37:16
  Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 37:17
  It might not be the fastest V eight in the world, but it
• 37:19
  is reliable, that's for sure.
• 37:21
  It, it scoots.
• 37:22
  Um, okay.
• 37:22
  So yeah, they're shutting down.
• 37:24
  I guess.
• 37:24
  Are they gonna re, can they repurpose those facilities to make things that
• 37:27
  people might actually wanna buy?
• 37:28
  See, I think it's all about.
• 37:30
  Reducing their loss leaders.
• 37:32
  See, it's all about the bean counters because they gotta pay for Formula One.
• 37:36
  I just keep bringing this up.
• 37:38
  Volkswagen has to figure out how to pay for Audi to go to Formula One next year.
• 37:44
  So anywhere they can cut the fat, they're gonna cut it.
• 37:46
  So Volkswagen obviously hasn't heard the saying, how do you
• 37:50
  make a small fortune in racing?
• 37:51
  Start with a large fortune?
• 37:53
  They haven't heard that before because now they've got a small fortune and
• 37:56
  they're going racing at Dieselgate too.
• 37:58
  Right?
• 37:59
  So we talked last month about how Volkswagen pulled the plug on the
• 38:04
  Lambo program in Hypercar, right?
• 38:06
  For Weck and for imsa.
• 38:07
  You said yourself, Brad, you were like, I didn't even know they had a Lambo running
• 38:11
  in the upper classes in endurance racing.
• 38:13
  Fine.
• 38:15
  Fine.
• 38:15
  Well, we pulled the plug on that.
• 38:16
  Well, guess what?
• 38:17
  Surprise, but maybe not a surprise.
• 38:19
  'cause I said it from the beginning and people are like, no, you'll see.
• 38:24
  It's gonna be the greatest comeback since the 9 62 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 38:29
  This is Porsche's new halo car and yada yada.
• 38:32
  The 9 63.
• 38:33
  The 9 63, the 9 63 is gonna win.
• 38:35
  Lama four years later, still hasn't won anything.
• 38:40
  Uh, yes.
• 38:40
  Okay.
• 38:40
  It got constructor championship or whatever it is in fine.
• 38:44
  Great.
• 38:44
  But it didn't win Lama.
• 38:45
  It didn't win anything of significance.
• 38:47
  So the factory, again, because I think they need to put their money
• 38:50
  to Formula One, is pulling the plug on the Porsche 9 63 Hypercar.
• 38:55
  It is done as of Petite Lama.
• 38:57
  That's it.
• 38:58
  That was its final race.
• 38:59
  Do you think they would've continued on with it had it been more successful?
• 39:03
  I think Porsche's got this three strike strategy.
• 39:06
  They either win three times and stop, or they lose three times and stop.
• 39:10
  I think that's what it is.
• 39:11
  But the 9 63 was kind of a loser from the beginning, right?
• 39:14
  I mean, you could argue, oh, well balance of powers in the
• 39:17
  favor, Ferrari, blah, blah, but Ferrari doesn't compete stateside.
• 39:21
  They compete at Lama and then they go home, or they do some other big race.
• 39:24
  They go back to Ello and they ignore everybody for another year.
• 39:27
  The 9 63 comes over here and competes against Cadillac in Acura, or Aston
• 39:32
  in the Valkyrie, you know, or whatever it is, and gets its butt handed to it.
• 39:35
  It's just been hit or miss.
• 39:37
  And granted, yeah, you got the power of Penske and all these other independent
• 39:40
  privateers and all this kinda stuff.
• 39:42
  It hasn't come together for this car.
• 39:44
  And so I said after the first year, I'll be amazed if the
• 39:48
  9 63 makes it three years.
• 39:50
  And here we are at the end of the third year going into the fourth
• 39:53
  season and they said, no, that's it.
• 39:55
  It's done.
• 39:55
  Sad, but not sad.
• 39:57
  I don't care about that car.
• 40:01
  To round up this conversation.
• 40:03
  I got two Porsche tests while I was at Petite Lama this month.
• 40:06
  Do tell, I forgot you went to that.
• 40:08
  I can't wait to talk about that.
• 40:09
  Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit too.
• 40:10
  So I got to ride in a Macan GTS, and as I sat in it and I looked around, I
• 40:18
  said, is it more than just a Tiguan?
• 40:20
  Is it, I don't wanna offend the owner because let's face it, with
• 40:24
  the new unified universal platform, mq, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 40:28
  There's a lot of shared DNA between tiguans tox and all this kind of stuff.
• 40:34
  It's a very nice car.
• 40:35
  It's a very quick car.
• 40:36
  I don't like the interior.
• 40:38
  The center console looks like something out of the Starship Enterprise.
• 40:41
  It has literally like 50 buttons because it has no multifunction interface.
• 40:45
  So things that should be soft buttons are hard buttons on either
• 40:49
  side of the console, like down the passenger side, up the driver's side.
• 40:52
  It's craziness.
• 40:53
  So I, I was sort of not a fan.
• 40:55
  There's all these design cues, the nine, you know, the clock in the center.
• 40:59
  Could you guys have just done your own thing and not made it all look the same?
• 41:03
  I feel like the little clock in the center, like the ones Infinity
• 41:06
  used to have, and, and the, the Volkswagen Fayton, I think had one.
• 41:10
  It's so bougie, right?
• 41:12
  It is bougie.
• 41:13
  Look, I've got a Rolex on my dash.
• 41:15
  It's not a Rolex, whatever, but it's a jox.
• 41:17
  It's just like, look, look at what time it is.
• 41:19
  Can you read that?
• 41:20
  Only the sophisticated eye can read what that says, Uhhuh.
• 41:24
  So, okay, so you drove a expensive take one.
• 41:26
  No, no, no.
• 41:26
  I got, I got the ride in the T one.
• 41:28
  So it was not the turbo more closely related to its cousin Volkswagen.
• 41:33
  This was actually the six cylinder God knew who makes the six cylinders
• 41:37
  probably punched out Audi six cylinder or something like that, right?
• 41:40
  So, I mean, it, it sounded good.
• 41:42
  It, it boogied.
• 41:43
  You know, all that kind of stuff.
• 41:44
  It felt very planted on the road, but I was just kind of kept
• 41:46
  looking at it going, I like it.
• 41:48
  I do like the way the Macan looks.
• 41:50
  I like the way it looks over the Cayenne, but I'm like,
• 41:52
  mm-hmm could I own one of these?
• 41:55
  You know?
• 41:55
  And that's where I kind of went.
• 41:56
  Uh, and if it was just me driving every day, I wouldn't want a Macon.
• 42:02
  Right.
• 42:03
  I would want something else.
• 42:04
  It's interesting to hear you say that.
• 42:06
  'cause when I was up there, you know, I was talking to Tanya and we were talking,
• 42:09
  I was like, every once in a while I think about getting rid of the truck and on
• 42:13
  the short list of things that I would potentially replace the truck with.
• 42:16
  It's a Macon or a Cayenne, you know, something stupid like that.
• 42:20
  Or even a Volvo vaccine 90 or whatever.
• 42:22
  But then I, I think.
• 42:24
  The problem with the truck is it's never, I can't say never, but it's
• 42:28
  more than likely never going to give me a reason to need to sell it.
• 42:32
  Right.
• 42:32
  And it's been dead reliable.
• 42:34
  It hopefully will continue to be dead reliable if I got rid of
• 42:37
  it and got something like this.
• 42:38
  I'm just asking for trouble.
• 42:40
  No, no, no.
• 42:41
  You're absolutely right.
• 42:42
  You're absolutely right.
• 42:43
  So I did get to test drive a Porsche while I was in Atlanta.
• 42:46
  Let me guess you test drove a. Boxter s Boxter,
• 42:54
  a 9 44 turbo.
• 42:55
  I think I threw up in the back of my throat a little bit to know
• 42:57
  how to fend the car that I drove.
• 42:59
  This is the pinnacle of Pinnacles.
• 43:00
  It wasn't a GT 3, 9 11 or anything, but it was a 2023 Cayman GT four.
• 43:06
  Oh, those are very nice.
• 43:08
  It is vetted.
• 43:09
  Nice.
• 43:09
  This is, the price tag is not very nice, but they're very nice.
• 43:13
  No, no, no.
• 43:15
  So did it live up to the hype?
• 43:17
  So it wasn't an rs, it was just a regular GT four.
• 43:21
  I didn't know they had an RS version of the Oh, the GT four Rs now.
• 43:23
  Right.
• 43:24
  You know how Porsche is, right?
• 43:25
  Yeah.
• 43:25
  They took parts off of it.
• 43:26
  It made it more expensive.
• 43:27
  Well, they put the ugliest wing you could find from JC Whitney on the rs.
• 43:31
  It looks horrendous.
• 43:32
  I don't like it at all.
• 43:33
  It just looks like a bolt on you would put on an E 36.
• 43:37
  It's just, ugh, horrible.
• 43:38
  Sort of like that goofy wing that's on the, the Mustang GTD, like it
• 43:43
  literally looked like they glued it in the middle of the witch.
• 43:45
  It's awful.
• 43:46
  Anyway, the Cayman.
• 43:48
  Is a car that's always been on my radar.
• 43:50
  You can kind of almost pick just about any year of Cayman, you
• 43:53
  know, starting from the very first ones to the very current ones.
• 43:56
  Looks aside.
• 43:57
  Uh, well, the.one and the dot two I, I hate that, by the way.
• 44:00
  And the, the whole community of, we refer to them as like software packages,
• 44:04
  service pack one and service back two.
• 44:06
  Ugh.
• 44:06
  It's just a Cayman like get over it.
• 44:08
  Right?
• 44:08
  This one had been massaged a little bit, it had an exhaust,
• 44:12
  some other stuff, whatever.
• 44:13
  I don't, it's cool.
• 44:14
  Like I liked it.
• 44:15
  I did, you know, but again, it's, you sit there and you ask
• 44:18
  yourself, am I that kind of poser?
• 44:20
  Would I drive one every day?
• 44:22
  I don't think I could do either.
• 44:24
  I'd love to have one.
• 44:26
  My problem with the Cayman is the same problem I have with the boxer is at
• 44:30
  the end of the day, it's not a nine 11.
• 44:32
  That's all the reason I need to like it more.
• 44:35
  Having driven nine elevens, I don't like the nine 11.
• 44:38
  I don't like the way it handles, I don't like the way it feels.
• 44:41
  I don't like that constant sense of it's gonna kill you of nervousness that it has.
• 44:46
  Like the Cayman super planted.
• 44:48
  You could throw it in a turn and it could care less.
• 44:50
  It's like driving anything else.
• 44:51
  Now I prefer mid-engine cars.
• 44:53
  You know, I've driven a a million of them.
• 44:55
  So for me it's like, okay, great, but the nine 11, ugh.
• 44:57
  I don't know.
• 44:58
  That's a whole nother culture that I'm sort of over it because I, I'd rather
• 45:02
  be with the air cooled guys, you know?
• 45:04
  But even there, I gotta be careful 'cause it's like I'm old school eighties
• 45:07
  where I'm like, Alala, yeah, let's go.
• 45:10
  Like, I don't, I'm not a purist.
• 45:12
  This is just me being bougie as someone who's never technically
• 45:15
  owned a nine 11 or, or, or a Porsche.
• 45:19
  Period.
• 45:19
  I see it from the outside and I'm like, well, oh, I gotta
• 45:22
  have the top of the line model.
• 45:23
  Oh well you gotta have the nine 11 like it, it ain't cool if it
• 45:26
  ain't a nine 11 kind of thing.
• 45:28
  And that's just me.
• 45:29
  I need to get over myself and like say, yes horse makes other cool cars.
• 45:32
  It doesn't have to be a nine 11 came in GT four.
• 45:35
  I didn't get to drive it on track.
• 45:36
  That'd be a lot of fun too.
• 45:38
  I mean, you could definitely tell it's very well sorted.
• 45:41
  It's fast, it's everything you want.
• 45:42
  It checks all the boxes.
• 45:44
  I mean, it's the only box that doesn't check is anything practical because
• 45:47
  it's not, it's very small inside and it's like a little jet fighter and
• 45:51
  you know, it's a modern nine 14 really what it is at the end of the day.
• 45:55
  So it's really cool.
• 45:56
  So let's play a little game.
• 45:58
  How much is a 2023 Cayman GT?
• 46:01
  Four.
• 46:01
  Rough ballpark.
• 46:02
  I know it's six figures.
• 46:04
  I know what was paid for the one I drove to protect the innocent.
• 46:07
  Just throw a number out, but not the exact number that that person paid.
• 46:11
  One 30.
• 46:12
  One 30, okay.
• 46:13
  What else would you get for one 30?
• 46:15
  I'd get a lot of things for one 30.
• 46:17
  I know what Tanya would get at least.
• 46:19
  I think I know what Tanya would get.
• 46:20
  I think she would get an A-M-G-G-T.
• 46:23
  Yeah, for sure.
• 46:23
  The she and judging by her smile, I think I'm right.
• 46:29
  Can I get one for one 30?
• 46:31
  I'm sure you could find a used one for one 30.
• 46:33
  Eric, you would probably get a newer R eight.
• 46:36
  That's my guess.
• 46:36
  Yeah.
• 46:37
  An R eight and I'd have money left over R eight versus Cayman R eight all day long.
• 46:42
  And I'm not even talking V 10, I'm talking V eight with the six speed.
• 46:46
  Right.
• 46:46
  Like why wouldn't I do that?
• 46:47
  It's, it's better looking, it's more interesting.
• 46:50
  It's still mid-engine.
• 46:51
  It handles really awesome, all that kind of stuff.
• 46:53
  The Porsches are nice, but I feel like I've outgrown them actually.
• 46:57
  Oh, well you've matured.
• 46:59
  If I was going to buy a Porsche and if I had 130 grand to spend, I actually
• 47:03
  really like the 89 speedster, the nine 11 Cabrio le with that hard clamshell
• 47:10
  thing in the little short windshield.
• 47:11
  I've always loved those.
• 47:12
  That's a car.
• 47:13
  Okay.
• 47:14
  If I have 130 grand to piss away, that's what I'm buying in the Porsche catalog.
• 47:18
  I'm not buying anything new.
• 47:19
  I want something vintage.
• 47:20
  Now I, I'm a hypocrite 'cause I just said, oh nine 11, blah, blah, blah.
• 47:24
  But that's always been like my nine 11.
• 47:27
  Right.
• 47:27
  That's the one I I love.
• 47:28
  I mean, I would take a Cabrio and not the speedster.
• 47:31
  It's the same.
• 47:32
  Same but different, but you know what I mean?
• 47:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:35
  I hear you.
• 47:36
  Moving on.
• 47:37
  We have a little bit of St News headlines today.
• 47:42
  Reed, the former CEO of Stellantis is saying things like, stellantis
• 47:46
  is gonna break up and all this.
• 47:48
  I'm like, whatever.
• 47:49
  We'll wait and see when, when that happens.
• 47:50
  And they just get together.
• 47:52
  Feels like just yesterday they merged.
• 47:54
  They talked about it for a while and it took them forever to
• 47:57
  come up with that stupid name.
• 47:58
  They were together for a while.
• 48:00
  And if you think about it, the most profitable part of Stellantis
• 48:03
  stateside is Jeep 'cause do they make anything else anymore?
• 48:07
  That electric charger is a failure.
• 48:09
  There's no more muscle cars.
• 48:11
  Chrysler makes the Pacifica sort of, maybe not because they're built in Canada
• 48:15
  and all that stuff is still happening.
• 48:18
  That isn't in the news anymore.
• 48:19
  So what's left?
• 48:21
  That's it.
• 48:21
  Beats me.
• 48:22
  Right?
• 48:22
  But I did find this interesting 'cause Brad, you know more
• 48:25
  about this stuff than I do.
• 48:27
  Oh, you, you're crazy.
• 48:28
  The hurricane inline six.
• 48:31
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:32
  Got dropped into a Viper and it makes 400 more horsepower than the V 10 did guessing
• 48:39
  the original V 10 blue, and that's why they needed to put a new motor in it.
• 48:42
  I mean, why would you do that to a Viper other than that reason?
• 48:45
  Why would you put a VR six in the back of a nine 11 that
• 48:50
  we saw at H2O that one time?
• 48:52
  I never understood that swap.
• 48:54
  I think this is just as weird.
• 48:56
  WI don't understand.
• 48:57
  Unless they, one, maybe they just couldn't source another V 10 or it
• 49:01
  was gonna take too long, or were these YouTubers that were just looking for
• 49:05
  something to do something different.
• 49:06
  They look like drag racers looking to go fast.
• 49:09
  Going to go real fast.
• 49:10
  Oh, so it's a roadkill build.
• 49:11
  So they're doing it for views.
• 49:12
  That's why.
• 49:13
  What about the Hellcat Prowler though?
• 49:15
  Yes.
• 49:16
  So Casey, now you got my attention.
• 49:17
  That has been one of the prowler biggest criticisms ever since it
• 49:21
  came out is the motor was anemic.
• 49:23
  Why did they do that?
• 49:24
  Should have been a six cylinder.
• 49:25
  Why not a hurricane in the prowler?
• 49:28
  That makes a ton of sense.
• 49:30
  Actually.
• 49:30
  As an inline six, it would've fit better in the front of
• 49:32
  the prowler than the B eight.
• 49:34
  Yeah.
• 49:34
  850 horsepower prowler.
• 49:36
  Now you're cooking with gas.
• 49:37
  But does it make it any less weird when it has more power?
• 49:41
  No.
• 49:42
  See, my problem with this whole situation, if we talk about the Viper, is like I'm
• 49:45
  all for like doing engine swaps and stuff like that, but not too iconic cars, right?
• 49:50
  Like the Viper has the V 10.
• 49:52
  It should always have the V 10.
• 49:54
  The nine 11 should always have Porsche six in the back.
• 49:57
  Like the people like Renegade Motor Sports that does the LS
• 49:59
  swap nine elevens and stuff.
• 50:01
  The boxers, yeah, I can see it like the Caymans boxers, sure, but not
• 50:04
  the nine 11 for whatever reason.
• 50:06
  In my little mind, I feel like it's just, it doesn't work.
• 50:09
  I wouldn't do it.
• 50:10
  Doesn't make sense to me.
• 50:11
  Does not compute well.
• 50:12
  All of this STIs talk is really.
• 50:14
  Just bluff and bluster to cover the fact that I wanna talk about the rental
• 50:18
  car I had at Road Atlanta, the four xe?
• 50:20
  Yes.
• 50:21
  Let's talk about the four xe.
• 50:22
  I've been very curious about these.
• 50:24
  We had a bunch of other options, so I went with William from the Ferrari
• 50:28
  marketplace and so I met him in Atlanta.
• 50:30
  We go down the aisle and they said, pick whatever you want out of this row.
• 50:33
  And so it's, you know, the typical fair Nissan Murano, cross Cale, no cross
• 50:39
  cabs, you know, Impala, garbage can.
• 50:42
  What ended up happening was there were two Jeeps.
• 50:45
  As we walked down this aisle, the one I wanted to rent was the new Grand Cherokee.
• 50:50
  'cause I was thinking, oh, I get a, basically a, a short term test drive
• 50:54
  to compare it to my Grand Cherokee.
• 50:56
  But he spotted the Wrangler and said, yeah, yeah, let's take the Jeep.
• 51:00
  And I'm like, uh, no.
• 51:03
  Two guys in our Jeep.
• 51:05
  Did you put the top down?
• 51:06
  No, it was a hard top.
• 51:08
  Oh.
• 51:08
  So you can take the hard top off.
• 51:10
  Did it have the soft center to where you could, the soft center
• 51:13
  where you could fold it back?
• 51:14
  No, it had everything hard.
• 51:16
  Oh, two guys in a hard Jeep.
• 51:18
  Got it.
• 51:19
  Okay.
• 51:19
  Good.
• 51:20
  Understood.
• 51:21
  The only saving grace that it had, it was like, Ooh, it's a hybrid.
• 51:24
  Problem is they didn't plug it in and charge it.
• 51:26
  Oh, great.
• 51:27
  Yeah.
• 51:27
  So it was basically flat.
• 51:29
  It's okay, fine.
• 51:31
  Everything you know, to be true about a wrangler is still true to this day.
• 51:36
  They're noisy.
• 51:37
  They ride rough.
• 51:39
  The doors don't close properly.
• 51:41
  They have a lot of wind noise.
• 51:42
  They have a lot of road noise.
• 51:43
  They meander around the road.
• 51:45
  They tram line going down the highway.
• 51:47
  They're a little bit sketch above 65.
• 51:50
  It's like a broken oxcart.
• 51:52
  I don't know why people drive them, and the worst part is the hybrid has
• 51:56
  a four cylinder turbo attached to it.
• 51:59
  So you got this big, heavy 5,200 pound Jeep.
• 52:02
  We looked up the weight of the thing with a four cylinder turbo.
• 52:04
  Now it'll scoot.
• 52:05
  What reserve electricity has, it uses like an additional buy turbo.
• 52:10
  One of them's electric and one of them's air.
• 52:12
  The gas mileage was horrendous.
• 52:14
  17 miles to the gallon, that's what it was getting.
• 52:16
  I'm sure with the hybrid working, maybe 30.
• 52:19
  But if it's anything like my wife Pacifica, you get 30 miles or 40
• 52:24
  miles out of the battery and then is depleted and you're back to
• 52:26
  making 17 miles to the gallon again.
• 52:28
  So what good is that?
• 52:29
  You can't put anything in it.
• 52:31
  You definitely can't haul any mulch with it.
• 52:33
  It's got a ton of ground clearance.
• 52:35
  I'm sure it's great off road.
• 52:36
  The interior is pretty spartan for what it is.
• 52:39
  It's not bad, but it's not luxurious.
• 52:41
  It's comparing a grand and a wrangler's like apples and chainsaws.
• 52:45
  I mean, they have nothing to do with one another.
• 52:47
  All in all, it was an epic fail and I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
• 52:51
  Not surprised by any of your points.
• 52:53
  No.
• 52:53
  And I remember when you had your orange one, it was red, it was orangey red.
• 52:57
  It was like pumpkin spice.
• 52:58
  It was maroon or like a dark, dark road.
• 53:00
  Hey, you're right.
• 53:00
  It wasn't maroon.
• 53:01
  That's right.
• 53:01
  But you had the stick shift in that.
• 53:03
  I had the six speed in that, and I had the five speed in my.
• 53:06
  Tj the Wrangler is off my list.
• 53:08
  I would not wish that upon my enemy.
• 53:10
  Yeah.
• 53:11
  The people that go out and buy a Wrangler as a family vehicle are absolutely insane.
• 53:15
  I mean, I was hoping that I would get a duck.
• 53:17
  I was thinking maybe in the next two days I'll get a duck so I can get
• 53:20
  something positive outta the experience.
• 53:21
  Nobody would've known it was a rental.
• 53:23
  There can have been like, oh, look at you, you get a duck.
• 53:24
  You don't have a duck on your dashboard.
• 53:26
  Here, here have a duck.
• 53:27
  You own a Jeep.
• 53:28
  You, you can still get a duck.
• 53:30
  You get a Duckie and you get a duckie.
• 53:31
  I was thinking parked at Road Atlanta with all those hundreds of thousands of people,
• 53:35
  I would've gotten at least one duck.
• 53:36
  I got nothing.
• 53:37
  The, the, the whole duck thing like skipped me, like I missed that part.
• 53:40
  Uh, I guess that was after my time.
• 53:42
  Part of the ethos.
• 53:43
  Now do Jeep people walk around with ducks in their pocket and then just
• 53:47
  randomly placing them on people's Jeeps?
• 53:49
  I wonder that.
• 53:50
  What do the Bronco people give each other?
• 54:00
  They give them each other oranges.
• 54:02
  Oh, nice.
• 54:03
  Very nice.
• 54:04
  Very nice.
• 54:06
  All right, well speaking of infinite new car wisdom, just the other day my inbox
• 54:11
  was exploding with emails from all over, from LinkedIn, from here, from everywhere.
• 54:16
  I'm gonna summarize it.
• 54:17
  The headline reads, GM takes 1.6 billion with the B billion dollar hit on EVs.
• 54:24
  And I said to myself, is anybody surprised?
• 54:27
  Reminds me of that drive-through.
• 54:28
  We did a while back, Brad.
• 54:30
  Remember we showcased General Motors if you were like yesterday's
• 54:34
  technology tomorrow, there it is.
• 54:36
  There it is.
• 54:38
  The ongoing joke in that episode was what moves faster?
• 54:43
  GM or anything else?
• 54:45
  Very slow moving object.
• 54:47
  Well, and it's hilarious because we reported for months and months and
• 54:50
  months now companies are getting out.
• 54:52
  Trying to ramp back up production of petrol engines or hybrids or whatever.
• 54:56
  And here's gm, the caboose of the train.
• 54:59
  Did you guys not see the warning signs?
• 55:02
  Did you not learn anything from your acquisition of Nicola?
• 55:05
  Hello?
• 55:06
  Do what Toyota does?
• 55:08
  At least look over their shoulder.
• 55:10
  I mean, try to get ahead of everybody.
• 55:12
  Once unrelated, they've got those apps that are advertised all over Instagram
• 55:16
  about we follow and make the stock market trades that the, the politicians make.
• 55:22
  Like I, I feel like GM needs something like that, but they need to follow
• 55:25
  Toyota and whatever things Toyota does.
• 55:27
  Like your, to your point, GM needs to just start doing.
• 55:30
  Yeah.
• 55:30
  They'll be a much better company.
• 55:31
  Well, speaking of General Motors products, this isn't a recall, but this is really
• 55:36
  funny, so I'll just read the headline.
• 55:38
  C seven Corvette ZR one averages 173 miles an hour in a Texas
• 55:43
  road race, but melts its butt.
• 55:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 55:48
  Oh, look at this thing.
• 55:50
  How's that happen?
• 55:51
  I mean, that's a lot of heat, right?
• 55:53
  No wonder they were lighting on fire.
• 55:56
  When the fuel spills and you're filling it, this is the previous generation.
• 56:01
  Oh, that's true.
• 56:01
  Yes.
• 56:02
  Right.
• 56:02
  The engine's in the front.
• 56:03
  That's right.
• 56:04
  That's right.
• 56:04
  The fuel thing's, the new ones.
• 56:06
  That also shows you the aerodynamics of the back of that car being flat.
• 56:10
  Heat gets trapped there because you would think moving at 170 miles an hour that
• 56:14
  that heat would escape just by sheer force of the air flowing over the car.
• 56:19
  But it gets trapped there and it melted the back end of it, vortex or something.
• 56:24
  It also doesn't help that the exhaust is all right there in the center too.
• 56:28
  But still, I mean, it melted the taillights too.
• 56:30
  It's.
• 56:30
  Just nuts.
• 56:31
  That's hot.
• 56:32
  Speaking of expensive repairs, true.
• 56:35
  What is a shop gonna charge to fix that?
• 56:36
  Aren't the rear these like all one piece?
• 56:38
  Not like there's a bumper you actually pull off, isn't
• 56:40
  it All part of the back end.
• 56:42
  Yikes.
• 56:43
  Wow.
• 56:43
  That is terrible design.
• 56:45
  But Jake from State Farm will take care of it, so it's all good.
• 56:47
  Don't worry about it.
• 56:48
  Exactly.
• 56:49
  And then our rates will go up.
• 56:50
  Asian and domestic news.
• 56:52
  I have a note here that says Toyota and Mazda teaming up
• 56:55
  for the next Miata and GR 86.
• 56:57
  Who put that in there?
• 56:58
  I did.
• 56:59
  What's that all about?
• 57:00
  Well, apparently, which we already knew.
• 57:02
  They're ditching BMW as a partner and now they're teaming up with Mazda and
• 57:06
  they're going to make the next great.
• 57:08
  Miata.
• 57:09
  The NE Miata, right?
• 57:10
  The next generation Miata.
• 57:12
  Do you want a Miata?
• 57:13
  Yeah, I want a Miata.
• 57:14
  What Miata do you want?
• 57:15
  Uh, any Miata, I guess I will tell.
• 57:18
  It's all pretty new reporting.
• 57:21
  We did some independent researching that Toyota owns 10% of Mazda and Mazda owns
• 57:26
  like 0.0001% of Toyota or something.
• 57:29
  Like there's a weird partnership there between the two.
• 57:32
  That just means Toyota owns 0.0001% of themself.
• 57:36
  Uh, yes.
• 57:37
  If they own Mazda self-fulfilling prophecy, you know what I mean?
• 57:40
  But I, I'd rather see them get together than the Mazda Ford thing
• 57:44
  from, you know, 15, 20 years ago.
• 57:46
  That made no sense to me whatsoever.
• 57:48
  But I'm sure there was a reason at the time.
• 57:49
  But as a, as an outsider, it didn't seem clear as to why those two would team up.
• 57:54
  We've wondered for a while, what's the next generation Miata gonna
• 57:57
  look like, or what's it gonna be?
• 57:59
  Here's the question.
• 58:00
  Is the Miata going to get bigger or is the GR 86 gonna get smaller?
• 58:04
  The GR 86 doesn't need to get any smaller, so the Miata is probably
• 58:07
  gonna get a little bit bigger then.
• 58:08
  I hope so, because I personally like the NC for the fact that
• 58:12
  it is a little bit bigger.
• 58:13
  The third generation Miata was more comfortable to drive.
• 58:16
  Yes, it didn't perform as well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 58:19
  I get it.
• 58:20
  But as a driver it was more comfortable.
• 58:22
  Right.
• 58:23
  We mentioned last time the A 86, not the GR 86.
• 58:26
  The 80 86, you could get new crate motors from Toyota.
• 58:29
  Right.
• 58:30
  Have you guys seen the video going around Instagram of a guy that built the 80 86.
• 58:35
  With the electric motor and the six speed manual, it is bonkers.
• 58:39
  Awesome.
• 58:40
  That's the kind of stuff we need now.
• 58:42
  Apparently that build was partially done by Toyota because they supplied
• 58:48
  the battery pack from Lexus and like a bunch of other stuff to make it work.
• 58:51
  It's super clean, it's really neat.
• 58:54
  And then he's got this awesome setup where we joked about this before,
• 58:57
  but he pipes the sound of an original 80, 86 twin cam into the car.
• 59:02
  So it sort of fools you while you're driving it.
• 59:04
  And I was like, okay, I get it now because it all makes sense.
• 59:08
  It all works together as a system and it's actually pretty cool.
• 59:12
  It sounds like something to compete with that Hyundai concept that they're
• 59:16
  going to make, that's gonna be six figures and no one can afford, or no, no.
• 59:19
  You mean the N 74, whatever that thing is.
• 59:22
  Yeah, the N 70, whatever it was, the N 70, the Normandy, something.
• 59:25
  Yeah, I was told at the track, 'cause I kept saying ion when
• 59:29
  we were at the Hyundai booth.
• 59:30
  You're not pronouncing it correctly.
• 59:31
  Yeah, yeah.
• 59:32
  Why do you call?
• 59:32
  It's the ion.
• 59:33
  No.
• 59:33
  Well, how come Cadillac calls it the, the Celeste de derelict Dele.
• 59:39
  Yeah.
• 59:39
  Right.
• 59:39
  So I'm like, well then it's ion, you have to say it, right?
• 59:42
  Yes.
• 59:43
  I, I am I all Brad.
• 59:45
  Well, we're gonna move on to lost and found your favorite section
• 59:47
  of the drive through where we find out what Chuck led Duck and Gray
• 59:51
  Chevrolet have to offer us this month.
• 59:53
  And this next one just melts my brain like that Corvets rear end.
• 59:58
  I can't believe there's still more of these out there.
• 1:00:01
  You can't believe it's Solanis.
• 1:00:03
  Third quarter sales result included six Dodge Darts.
• 1:00:06
  How is this possible not only six Dodge Darts, but also Dodge
• 1:00:10
  Grand Caravan and a Dodge Journey?
• 1:00:12
  This car has been out of production for almost 10 years.
• 1:00:16
  10 years.
• 1:00:17
  This is so fascinating.
• 1:00:19
  Long game, baby.
• 1:00:20
  Yes.
• 1:00:21
  They're playing the long game.
• 1:00:22
  Exactly.
• 1:00:22
  They make such terrible cars now that they have to go back and drum up all
• 1:00:29
  these old cars that they couldn't sell before because what's old is new again.
• 1:00:34
  Clearly what's old is new.
• 1:00:36
  You didn't wanna buy those cars then.
• 1:00:37
  Maybe you wanna buy 'em now, but sure enough, six new 2016 Dodge
• 1:00:42
  Darts were sold nine years later.
• 1:00:44
  See, this answers your question from before.
• 1:00:46
  What do you buy your kid today that's gonna last them 20 years?
• 1:00:49
  You buy 'em a Dodge Dart, you can get 'em in a manual transmission.
• 1:00:52
  You get brand new today at your local Dodge dealer because
• 1:00:55
  they're still out there.
• 1:00:56
  Where do they keep finding them though?
• 1:00:58
  They gotta be in like a subterranean warehouse in Detroit somewhere that
• 1:01:02
  people just forgot that they've got 30,000 Dodge Darts sitting there.
• 1:01:06
  You think Dodge just kind of pulls 'em out every once in a while.
• 1:01:09
  Is this kind of like a trickle.
• 1:01:11
  If they were smart, they would package 'em as some heritage model or some
• 1:01:15
  special paint jobs or something, or wrap 'em, you know, Shelby
• 1:01:18
  additions or something, I don't know.
• 1:01:19
  Whatever you wanna call it.
• 1:01:20
  So my kids are four and two, so I've got 12 years and 14 years
• 1:01:26
  respectfully before I need to buy a car.
• 1:01:28
  At that point, I'm guessing I'll be able to go to a dealer and buy
• 1:01:32
  a brand new 2025 Dodge Hornet, because that's the new Dodge Dart.
• 1:01:38
  Right?
• 1:01:38
  So it is.
• 1:01:39
  Ah, well, this next one was brought to us by Mr.
• 1:01:44
  Mark Hewitt.
• 1:01:45
  Mark Hewitt.
• 1:01:46
  He's still alive.
• 1:01:47
  He still listens.
• 1:01:48
  Every month we still get comments back.
• 1:01:50
  Thank you, mark, for being a loyal drive-through Listener 61 episodes later.
• 1:01:54
  Headline reads, Nebraska on Earth's 1975 Chevy Vega from
• 1:01:59
  World's largest time capsule.
• 1:02:01
  Can we put it back, come again?
• 1:02:03
  Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  They put a Vega.
• 1:02:04
  Underground 50 years ago.
• 1:02:06
  Did you notice the plate on it?
• 1:02:08
  Oh, there it is.
• 1:02:08
  25 vanity plate.
• 1:02:09
  Nebraska reads 2025.
• 1:02:11
  Almost like they planned ahead.
• 1:02:13
  They were thinking it's in good condition.
• 1:02:15
  It's in good condition.
• 1:02:16
  They put it underground, brand new, but still whatever.
• 1:02:20
  They put it underground in.
• 1:02:22
  Is this the same place they get the Dodge Darts?
• 1:02:24
  That's good.
• 1:02:24
  It didn't like a bunker.
• 1:02:26
  It was in a bunker underground.
• 1:02:28
  Well, that bunker had very good climate control.
• 1:02:32
  Uh, it doesn't look like it from the pictures.
• 1:02:34
  Did you see the pictures of the bunker?
• 1:02:36
  It looks like literally just a hole in the ground.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, it looks like where that guy built that Lamborghini in,
• 1:02:40
  like Slovenia or something.
• 1:02:42
  Wherever that was.
• 1:02:43
  I mean, once it's underground there's pretty much Okay.
• 1:02:46
  And they had it in plastic wrap.
• 1:02:48
  Wait, why does it look like there's rust off the hood?
• 1:02:50
  This is an advertisement for plastic wrap.
• 1:02:53
  That's what it's, they put it brand new and it already has scratches on the hood.
• 1:02:56
  Well, they probably had crap on top of it.
• 1:02:58
  Yeah, it looks like it rusted.
• 1:02:59
  It was underground in a bunker.
• 1:03:01
  Of course, it wasn't climate controlled, so it rusted sitting there.
• 1:03:05
  What is all this other trash they threw in this time capsule?
• 1:03:08
  Like, yeah, I wanna hear more about that.
• 1:03:11
  I'm sure it's everything they could find from 1975 newspapers and magazines
• 1:03:16
  and baseball cards, or a little vega all alone in the dark hole.
• 1:03:19
  This whole time, nobody was missing it.
• 1:03:21
  Okay.
• 1:03:22
  I'm just gonna point that out.
• 1:03:23
  This is its villain origin story.
• 1:03:25
  You know what's gonna happen to it?
• 1:03:26
  Somebody's gonna buy it, strip it, and turn it into a dragster.
• 1:03:30
  'cause that's what happened with Las Vegas.
• 1:03:32
  That's exactly what's gonna happen in this car.
• 1:03:34
  The race number will be 1975.
• 1:03:36
  So I think we're gonna try to start something new here.
• 1:03:38
  And it's Tanya's goal as a result of last month's mental gymnastics,
• 1:03:43
  trying to figure out Jonathan Price and the Infinity commercials and
• 1:03:47
  whoever this British guy is that eats the apple that we still don't.
• 1:03:49
  It's like the sin bad movie.
• 1:03:51
  We tried, oh, you should have gone through the exercise with us.
• 1:03:55
  We were asking like chat GPT and we asked Steven, Izzy and all these other
• 1:03:59
  people, do you know about the British guy eating the apple and the white
• 1:04:02
  suit and the commercial, blah blah.
• 1:04:03
  I know he was somewhere, there's some sitcom where he's gonna
• 1:04:08
  show up one day, some old TV show where he was in an episode.
• 1:04:12
  Also, one day this mystery will be solved probably on Fraser.
• 1:04:16
  Oh.
• 1:04:17
  It was he.
• 1:04:19
  I gotta go back and watch Frazier.
• 1:04:21
  I'm just giving her an excuse to watch Frazier at this point.
• 1:04:25
  I don't think you need to give her an excuse to watch Frazier.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, I mean it's been like five minutes since I've watched the
• 1:04:30
  whole thing, so I gotta start again.
• 1:04:31
  So this little gem that Tanya found, I think we're gonna
• 1:04:34
  try to do this every month.
• 1:04:35
  It's fine.
• 1:04:36
  Wacky car commercials that maybe have like celebrities in them.
• 1:04:40
  Brad, have you seen this one yet?
• 1:04:42
  I think I saw it when, when Tanya posted it.
• 1:04:43
  Yes.
• 1:04:44
  I would also just like to say that this gem is in the vein of
• 1:04:48
  the mystery British guy biting the apple at the end commercial.
• 1:04:52
  And what is this commercial for?
• 1:04:53
  God knows Canon Pixel jet printers starring Don't Ansel this commercial.
• 1:05:00
  It's like a Japanese commercial only aired in Japan.
• 1:05:11
  Good.
• 1:05:13
  But the ending is what gets me, what is with the strawberry, what I don't know
• 1:05:18
  in his creepy face, what is happening.
• 1:05:20
  Yummy.
• 1:05:23
  That's a very Japanese thing to do, I think.
• 1:05:24
  Yes.
• 1:05:25
  Did you also notice that his eyebrows are his bushy as his mustache?
• 1:05:28
  Wonder what else is, I mean, I could just watch those last five seconds
• 1:05:33
  on repeat where he's like, Hmm.
• 1:05:34
  Good.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, and eating the summer, it's, it's very creepy, but very satisfying
• 1:05:41
  at the same time, like I have a whole new respect for Nagel mantle
• 1:05:46
  as a result of this commercial.
• 1:05:47
  This is amazing stuff.
• 1:05:50
  Amazing stuff.
• 1:05:51
  Good.
• 1:05:53
  Unbelievable.
• 1:05:53
  So, Tanya, I'm looking forward to your collection.
• 1:05:57
  I wanna see what you come up with next.
• 1:05:59
  For Lost and Found car commercials.
• 1:06:02
  That'd be a good one.
• 1:06:03
  I mean, we've already done the Ridley Scott.
• 1:06:05
  You remember that one where it's like, and then the turbo kicks in, like
• 1:06:09
  there's some terrible car commercials.
• 1:06:12
  One of my favorite ones that I'll, I'll give you guys when I can find
• 1:06:15
  it, but it was the, the Pontiac Firebird, the Trans Am, the fourth
• 1:06:18
  gen from the early two thousands, late nineties, early two thousands.
• 1:06:21
  It was sitting behind a car at a traffic light.
• 1:06:23
  It's like pitch black or whatever.
• 1:06:25
  It's revving, its motor.
• 1:06:26
  The car won't move, so it swallows the car.
• 1:06:29
  It's like the Ford car.
• 1:06:30
  Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Like the sport car.
• 1:06:32
  The evil car that kills the cats.
• 1:06:35
  Do you guys remember the Trunk Monkey?
• 1:06:37
  Mm, vaguely.
• 1:06:38
  Go search the Trunk Monkey commercials.
• 1:06:40
  Those are definitely not PC anymore.
• 1:06:45
  Perfect.
• 1:06:46
  Right up my alley.
• 1:06:47
  Definitely not kosher.
• 1:06:49
  Alright.
• 1:06:50
  We said we weren't gonna talk about them, but they just seemed to never
• 1:06:54
  leave the news and that's Tesla.
• 1:06:58
  But now what those idiots do this time, headline reads, Tesla is urging drowsy
• 1:07:03
  drivers to use full self-driving.
• 1:07:06
  We know how this ends, folks with a lawsuit, I mean, what could go wrong?
• 1:07:12
  What could possibly go wrong?
• 1:07:14
  How many countless floor demand stories suspect pulled over
• 1:07:17
  sleeping while Tesla drives itself, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:07:21
  Everywhere around the world, right?
• 1:07:23
  I mean, come on.
• 1:07:23
  I'm sorry.
• 1:07:25
  I thought the rules of even the full self-driving was you still had to
• 1:07:28
  maintain awareness and whatnot and.
• 1:07:32
  It's not really full self-driving.
• 1:07:33
  Continue.
• 1:07:34
  Maybe it's like initial D. You remember when he taped his
• 1:07:37
  hand to the steering wheel?
• 1:07:39
  That's how you defeat that part so you can fall asleep and still be connected.
• 1:07:42
  Oh, this is like when cell phones were becoming more popular and
• 1:07:46
  it was decided that, you know, rightfully you should be hands free.
• 1:07:50
  And so people were taping the cell phone to their head.
• 1:07:57
  I am still baffled by the amount of people that go down the road holding the
• 1:08:01
  phone to their chin and I look at their car and go, it's like two years old.
• 1:08:05
  It's not that hard to figure out how to make the Bluetooth work.
• 1:08:08
  Hello?
• 1:08:09
  When I see that, I think one or two things.
• 1:08:12
  One, they're either borrowing a car from a friend or two, it's a rental,
• 1:08:16
  or three, they're just an idiot.
• 1:08:17
  That's probably the more likely one.
• 1:08:19
  It's number three.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Ah, well, speaking of what could go wrong, let's switch over to lowered expectations.
• 1:08:29
  What is this?
• 1:08:31
  Oh, of course.
• 1:08:31
  You know, there's the annual pumpkin regatta.
• 1:08:34
  This is racing.
• 1:08:36
  This is racing in pumpkins.
• 1:08:37
  We've covered this before.
• 1:08:38
  Well, they do it every year I guess, in Oregon and this year's Pumpkin
• 1:08:42
  regatta winner was this dude in a 936 pound pumpkin dressed like elf.
• 1:08:48
  And the winner of this year's trip is this guy.
• 1:08:51
  Look how happy he was.
• 1:08:53
  Look at that face.
• 1:08:54
  Victory.
• 1:08:55
  Winning winner.
• 1:08:57
  I'm gonna quote Mark Shank from like the last, what should I buy?
• 1:09:00
  This is so Oregon and I love it.
• 1:09:04
  And second Brad, speaking of commercials, does this remind you of those cuckoo bird
• 1:09:08
  German dudes, cuckoo bird, German dudes?
• 1:09:12
  Remember those guys?
• 1:09:13
  That's not a commercial though.
• 1:09:15
  That was a live performance.
• 1:09:19
  Yes, that's exactly.
• 1:09:20
  Oh my God.
• 1:09:21
  Now I gotta watch that again.
• 1:09:22
  Why did you do that to me?
• 1:09:24
  It's like carbon income sale away.
• 1:09:25
  Now I gotta go watch it.
• 1:09:27
  So funny.
• 1:09:28
  When are we going to commission a pumpkin?
• 1:09:31
  For this.
• 1:09:32
  How do you grow a 900 plus pound pumpkin?
• 1:09:35
  You mean how do you row a boat?
• 1:09:37
  No, I said, how do you grow?
• 1:09:39
  Oh, how do you get, how do you obtain a 900 pound pumpkin to begin with?
• 1:09:43
  A lot of miracle grow.
• 1:09:44
  I think this guy's been competing in the regattas since 2013 with
• 1:09:48
  the same pumpkin, the same pumpkin.
• 1:09:52
  It's just gotten bigger over time.
• 1:09:55
  It started out as like a 300 pound pumpkin, you know, like genetics, right?
• 1:09:59
  If you take the seeds from your first big pumpkin and replant them, does that
• 1:10:03
  mean you will get big pumpkins again?
• 1:10:05
  I don't know.
• 1:10:06
  Oh my God.
• 1:10:07
  He bio-engineered a 900 pound pumpkin.
• 1:10:09
  I mean, that's the only way, right?
• 1:10:11
  It's a clone of the smaller of the other pumpkins.
• 1:10:13
  What, what?
• 1:10:14
  What is this Florida man doing in lowered expectations?
• 1:10:17
  What's this all about?
• 1:10:18
  The moral of this story is the next time you're pulled over because you're
• 1:10:21
  speeding, and this guy was doing 73 in 55, he is response to the police
• 1:10:28
  officers, was his driving at DSP was a FU.
• 1:10:33
  To the other drivers that were going slow.
• 1:10:39
  Wow.
• 1:10:40
  Wow.
• 1:10:41
  I don't think that went well.
• 1:10:42
  His mugshot, my goodness.
• 1:10:44
  Looks like he was on something.
• 1:10:47
  Also, I didn't know a Kia Soul could do 73 miles an hour.
• 1:10:51
  Was it being pushed by a Silverado?
• 1:10:53
  Like it was downhill?
• 1:10:54
  Oh, there it goes.
• 1:10:55
  Well, Florida, there are no hills, so.
• 1:10:57
  Mm. I don't know.
• 1:10:58
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:10:59
  Flat line speed of a Kia soul.
• 1:11:01
  You're asking a lot.
• 1:11:01
  Those hamsters were Were rolling.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, they were.
• 1:11:04
  And how fitting.
• 1:11:06
  We had this Florida man with a Kia Soul and the Kia Soul is no longer
• 1:11:09
  going to be produced, end of an era.
• 1:11:12
  Unlike the Dodge Dart, which you can still buy new, you know the only thing
• 1:11:16
  people are gonna miss about the Kia Soul.
• 1:11:18
  Are those hamster commercials from the Super Bowl?
• 1:11:20
  That is it.
• 1:11:21
  They'll have to come up in Tanya's research.
• 1:11:24
  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:11:25
  We didn't hear if Tanya watched the F1 movie yet.
• 1:11:29
  I have not.
• 1:11:30
  WW There's your update everybody.
• 1:11:33
  Tanya has not watched the F1 movie.
• 1:11:34
  Okay, moving on Book club.
• 1:11:36
  Well, sticking with Formula One.
• 1:11:38
  I finished another one this month by our friend of the show.
• 1:11:42
  Was she been on twice now?
• 1:11:43
  Multi-time guest, Elizabeth Blackstock finally got around to
• 1:11:46
  reading Racing With Rich Energy.
• 1:11:48
  This has to be one of the most incredible Ponzi schemes of the modern era.
• 1:11:54
  This story literally unfolds like something out of Hollywood.
• 1:11:57
  It is definitely a catch me if you can scenario.
• 1:12:00
  It's a definite read for any Formula One fan out there, or anybody
• 1:12:05
  that's spanning a Ponzi schemes.
• 1:12:06
  Well, that too.
• 1:12:07
  This might be the manifesto for a lot of 'em out there.
• 1:12:10
  The one thing that's interesting is.
• 1:12:11
  There's a lot of excerpts from like Twitter posts.
• 1:12:16
  It's kind of strange.
• 1:12:16
  The first book I've ever read, hashtags.
• 1:12:20
  But it's part of the story, right?
• 1:12:22
  Is, is those hashtags and all this other kind of stuff.
• 1:12:24
  And so you're reading these, these little experts and these Twitter
• 1:12:27
  posts and there's a lot of like bullet pointed lists and this and that.
• 1:12:30
  I mean, it's much more journalism than it is a novel, but it's still
• 1:12:33
  captivating and some of the stuff that they report on just absolutely bonkers
• 1:12:38
  and like how it all came together.
• 1:12:40
  And I was left with the same question I started with, which I think we all said
• 1:12:45
  when we tried Rich Energy, which Brad, you still have a case of rich energy.
• 1:12:49
  And I took photographs of it with the book to prove that hey, you know, it's sort
• 1:12:53
  of like a newspaper, you know, ransom.
• 1:12:55
  Like this is the date, here we go.
• 1:12:57
  So we still have this case of rich energy after all these years.
• 1:13:00
  It tastes like Red Bull.
• 1:13:02
  It smells like Red Bull.
• 1:13:03
  It looks like Red Bull.
• 1:13:04
  It's made in Austria where Red Bull is made.
• 1:13:08
  How do we know it wasn't just Red Bull at the end of the day
• 1:13:11
  and this guy was their patsy.
• 1:13:13
  They were adding another team without adding another team, or they were
• 1:13:16
  secretly funding Gene Haas without telling everybody that they were funding Gene.
• 1:13:20
  You know what I mean?
• 1:13:21
  How do we know?
• 1:13:22
  Like that's the part of the story.
• 1:13:24
  I was still left at the end going, well, how do we know it's not Red Bull?
• 1:13:27
  That's an interesting tinfoil hat theory you have there, bud.
• 1:13:32
  I mean, what else could it be?
• 1:13:33
  I mean, energy drink Tastes like energy drink.
• 1:13:35
  Tastes like energy drink.
• 1:13:36
  I mean they're all made from pretty much the same formulas of gross.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Except for White Monster.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, white Monster is quite good.
• 1:13:44
  Bigger free Monster with Yeager is Deliso.
• 1:13:46
  The Yeager monster is quite good.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Rich energy, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:13:50
  Whatever.
• 1:13:51
  I mean, it's a good book.
• 1:13:52
  I mean, don't get me wrong, kudos to Elizabeth and Alanis King.
• 1:13:55
  They did a great job.
• 1:13:56
  The book is available through the McFarland Press.
• 1:13:59
  It is now available also as an audio book.
• 1:14:01
  You can get that on Spotify and through your library through Hoopla.
• 1:14:05
  So you can listen to racing with Rich Energy that way
• 1:14:08
  if you don't wanna read it.
• 1:14:09
  But it's always nice to have the analog version and it makes
• 1:14:12
  a good stocking stuffer too.
• 1:14:13
  It's not a very long book.
• 1:14:14
  It's 200 and if you take away all the citations, it's maybe 250
• 1:14:19
  pages or so, maybe less, you know, support independent writers and pick
• 1:14:23
  up a cool book about Formula One.
• 1:14:25
  To be fully transparent, I bought the book, but I did not actually read it.
• 1:14:28
  But next time we go to a professional race, I need to
• 1:14:31
  make sure I take it with me.
• 1:14:32
  'cause we may run into Elizabeth, she goes to a ton of races
• 1:14:34
  so I can get it autographed.
• 1:14:36
  But I'll probably do the audio book now that I know that
• 1:14:37
  it's available via audio book.
• 1:14:39
  'cause that's how I like to digest your literature.
• 1:14:41
  Yep.
• 1:14:42
  It's time we switch to fan favorite.
• 1:14:45
  Are you faster than an interceptor?
• 1:15:01
  I found this one this month.
• 1:15:02
  I found one Florida man story and this to me took the cake.
• 1:15:06
  So somebody, please explain this to me.
• 1:15:09
  Woman sues Volvo claims hands-free tailgate caused brain injury.
• 1:15:15
  Her, your expressions say it all.
• 1:15:19
  She whacked her head when the tailgate opened.
• 1:15:22
  No, apparently, and this is where it becomes Florida, man.
• 1:15:25
  The tailgates closed on her head.
• 1:15:33
  But those, those kind of tailgates have like a safety feature in them, so they.
• 1:15:38
  This was a Volvo.
• 1:15:40
  This was a Volvo.
• 1:15:41
  Apparently she was in the trunk.
• 1:15:43
  I don't know if she was resting her head on the sill.
• 1:15:46
  Is she being kidnapped?
• 1:15:47
  Her dog ran under the sensor.
• 1:15:49
  Volvo must have the fastest closing hatch in all of the automotive industry.
• 1:15:54
  And then it repeatedly like, like a cartoon, like the more I read this,
• 1:15:59
  the more confused I was and the more I started laughing and I'm like, this
• 1:16:02
  has gotta be nap April Fool's joke.
• 1:16:04
  Because there's, there's no way, oh, the light bulb just went off.
• 1:16:09
  No, I'm still confused because tailgates don't close that
• 1:16:12
  violently or that quickly.
• 1:16:14
  So the first time it happens, you move your head.
• 1:16:17
  They usually stop whenever they feel some sort of resistance.
• 1:16:20
  The court filing summarizes that a malfunction in the defendant's automated
• 1:16:25
  tailgate system caused serious injuries when it struck the plaintiff in the head.
• 1:16:29
  My question is, can they replicate the incident?
• 1:16:32
  Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  On Loony Tunes.
• 1:16:34
  I mean, I would love to see this on the next Law and order.
• 1:16:39
  This baffles me like I just don't understand.
• 1:16:42
  Do you not hear the hatch cl Normally mine beeps.
• 1:16:45
  Mine's 11 years old.
• 1:16:46
  It goes beep, beep, beep, beep to get your attention that it's closing.
• 1:16:49
  It's also not that fast.
• 1:16:50
  If you hit it, it usually stops or goes back up.
• 1:16:53
  It's not like a guillotine, like, I don't understand what's going on here.
• 1:16:57
  I could see like not realizing it was closing and you got up and
• 1:17:01
  you banged your head real hard.
• 1:17:04
  But like if your head was laying there, head was out of the car.
• 1:17:08
  If you watch the YouTube video that accompanies this, they literally show
• 1:17:12
  you the demo of the person using the foot thing and like how fast or slow it opens.
• 1:17:18
  It's not that fast.
• 1:17:19
  So not only is Volvo apparently liable based on this court filing,
• 1:17:25
  they're trying to find the.
• 1:17:27
  Quote unquote acquaintance.
• 1:17:29
  'cause she's no longer a friend.
• 1:17:31
  The acquaintance is liable because of her dog activating.
• 1:17:34
  Uh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:35
  Uhhuh.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Something tells me there's gonna be a movie about this.
• 1:17:40
  Jennifer Henry attempted to kill her friend Megan Kur using the Volvo's door.
• 1:17:47
  I'm telling you, this is like, oh yeah, I hate that bitch.
• 1:17:51
  Tries to trigger it.
• 1:17:52
  This is like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna blame Volvo.
• 1:17:54
  We're gonna blame Volvo, but I'm gonna get that woman outta here.
• 1:17:56
  I mean, there's a Volvo.
• 1:17:58
  They're known for safety.
• 1:18:00
  Yes, exactly.
• 1:18:01
  I don't know.
• 1:18:02
  I mean, it's unfortunate if she has a brain injury, but it's hard
• 1:18:05
  to believe anything these days.
• 1:18:07
  Judging by the court case.
• 1:18:08
  I think she had the brain injury before the incident.
• 1:18:11
  I was thinking that you said it.
• 1:18:13
  Somebody had to, I don't know that it's clickbait, but I don't
• 1:18:16
  know that she's maybe being.
• 1:18:18
  Truthful with the circumstances that actually took place.
• 1:18:22
  I think Brad's right attempted murder is probably closer to
• 1:18:25
  what was really going on here.
• 1:18:26
  This is a little less Jersey shore and a little bit more law and order.
• 1:18:30
  Boom.
• 1:18:30
  Boom.
• 1:18:31
  Exactly.
• 1:18:34
  Well, it's time we quickly go behind the fit wall and talk
• 1:18:37
  about murder sports news.
• 1:18:38
  So you guys asked me how petite was.
• 1:18:40
  Petite was awesome.
• 1:18:41
  It was wonderful.
• 1:18:42
  The weather was great.
• 1:18:43
  Wish I could have been there.
• 1:18:44
  Friday practice in qualifying.
• 1:18:46
  I spent a lot of time running around talking to people, networking, going to
• 1:18:50
  booths, you know, hi to former guests.
• 1:18:53
  I stopped by the A CO booth for a while.
• 1:18:55
  There's test driving Caymans, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:18:57
  Just a lot of stuff going on.
• 1:18:58
  Race day Saturday, it took forever to get to the track.
• 1:19:02
  We got there in time for the race to start the wreck that happened
• 1:19:05
  literally 30 seconds into the race, which caused a yellow forever.
• 1:19:09
  The original obligations that I had on Saturday sort of changed
• 1:19:12
  on me, sort of vaporized so that it freed up my whole day.
• 1:19:15
  And I was able to take William around the track to every corner of the track.
• 1:19:20
  We spectated from literally everywhere.
• 1:19:22
  'cause he wanted to take pictures and he wanted to see and experience and all that.
• 1:19:25
  And it is a long race, right?
• 1:19:26
  It's 10 hours and change or whatever.
• 1:19:28
  So petite was great at the end.
• 1:19:30
  The only thing I cared about was how Aston finished, which they
• 1:19:33
  finished an overall second, which was absolutely incredible in the Valkyrie.
• 1:19:37
  I mean, they pulled it off at the last minute.
• 1:19:39
  The heart of racing team, I mean, they just did a fantastic job.
• 1:19:41
  I was super stoked for that.
• 1:19:43
  By the way, the Valkyrie sounds amazing.
• 1:19:56
  The only V 12 in the field.
• 1:19:57
  You can hear it everywhere.
• 1:19:59
  Sort of like the Garage 56 car.
• 1:20:00
  Like you could tell it from the rest of the pack and you could hear it from far
• 1:20:03
  away and it's just absolutely awesome.
• 1:20:05
  So looking forward to more Aston Martin racing next year, but I felt
• 1:20:09
  like it was sort of anticlimactic except for the race at the beginning.
• 1:20:13
  Nothing really sort of happened of any, you know, any real
• 1:20:16
  note or any real significance.
• 1:20:18
  It was just a nice weekend.
• 1:20:19
  It was nice to be at the track and it was nice to be amongst the Seppa yet again.
• 1:20:23
  Especially the race where the LMP cars are versus VIR where, you know, they
• 1:20:26
  unfortunately run the smaller cars.
• 1:20:28
  Right.
• 1:20:28
  You know, petite's not the important bit of news.
• 1:20:31
  We need to catch up and find out about Franz Herman and how he did at the Berg.
• 1:20:37
  He did fantastic.
• 1:20:39
  Oh yeah.
• 1:20:39
  He has a racing team for staffing.com racing, and so his co-driver is a sim
• 1:20:45
  racer and verse Tappen did a ver stoppen and he was so far ahead of everybody else.
• 1:20:51
  The gap was ridiculous.
• 1:20:52
  And when his co-driver came in for his stint, that gap closed down so much that
• 1:20:58
  he's lucky that Max was his teammate or he wouldn't have, uh, finished in anything.
• 1:21:02
  So Max is gonna max and he debuts on the Nors life and dominates.
• 1:21:08
  'cause he's one of the best apparently.
• 1:21:10
  So Franz Herman we're, we're gonna watch out for more Franz Herman action.
• 1:21:14
  Didn't he also exit stage?
• 1:21:15
  Right?
• 1:21:16
  Like he did his stint and then he pieced out.
• 1:21:18
  So he left his teammate there to like sort of finish the race
• 1:21:20
  and he didn't care how it ended.
• 1:21:21
  So it looked like that.
• 1:21:23
  But in the end, no.
• 1:21:24
  He actually was, I think on the podium with him, but it definitely looked
• 1:21:27
  like he might, he was gonna just leave.
• 1:21:31
  That's awesome.
• 1:21:31
  Which is also Max maxing.
• 1:21:33
  Well, that sort of leads us into a conversation about Formula One.
• 1:21:45
  We have what, five, six more races to go.
• 1:21:48
  It seems like it's unending.
• 1:21:50
  I mean, we still have Mexico and we've got Las Vegas and we got this and we got that.
• 1:21:54
  We got so many races to watch before the end of the season.
• 1:21:56
  That comes to its crescendo at Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, which I'm super
• 1:22:01
  looking forward to that race 'cause I really do enjoy that track on the Sims.
• 1:22:04
  So let's just talk about Coda, shall we?
• 1:22:07
  The US Grand Prix one of three.
• 1:22:11
  'cause we got Miami, we've got Texas, and we've got Las Vegas.
• 1:22:14
  But Coda's the most interesting of the three.
• 1:22:16
  I don't know about you, Tanya, but I think the sprint race was more
• 1:22:19
  exciting than the actual race.
• 1:22:21
  I mean, the sprint race was Forza turn one chaos,
• 1:22:28
  absolute chaos.
• 1:22:30
  I love the whole Zack Brown blames hulking berg, and then he retracts it,
• 1:22:35
  and then everybody's blaming Kinberg.
• 1:22:37
  But it's not Hulk Berg's fault.
• 1:22:38
  Is it really Land's fault or is it Oscar's fault?
• 1:22:41
  Nobody knew whose fault it was, but all I know there was a pile of rubble
• 1:22:45
  in that turn and it was exciting.
• 1:22:47
  Which Gold's fault.
• 1:22:48
  It's always strolls.
• 1:22:49
  No, no.
• 1:22:49
  Stroll had his own moment, which was absolutely hilarious.
• 1:22:53
  Who did he wipe out?
• 1:22:54
  Ocon.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  And he, he did a hit and run.
• 1:22:57
  He tried to drive off.
• 1:22:58
  His front wheel is like bouncing, barely connected and he's driving
• 1:23:01
  as he goes around Ocon, he waves at him like, oh, so sorry.
• 1:23:07
  And he tries to drive away.
• 1:23:09
  Like, what?
• 1:23:10
  Dude, I was dying.
• 1:23:11
  It was the funniest thing I'd seen in Formula One all year.
• 1:23:14
  I was like, stroll, what is going on, bro?
• 1:23:18
  Wow.
• 1:23:19
  Unreal.
• 1:23:19
  No, the sprint race was absolutely amazing, but it was good for stopping.
• 1:23:24
  Right.
• 1:23:24
  He took an extra eight points home, which leans into his first place win.
• 1:23:29
  So it's 25 points for the win.
• 1:23:31
  Yep.
• 1:23:31
  So now he's got 31 extra points towards the championship.
• 1:23:34
  And I, I turned to Tanya and I said, is he going to make the
• 1:23:38
  ultimate comeback in Formula one?
• 1:23:39
  'cause nobody's ever done this before.
• 1:23:41
  Even in the, the modern times and the old times, the Senate days Schumacher before,
• 1:23:46
  nobody's done over a hundred point swing to come back and win the championship,
• 1:23:51
  but I think he can pull it off.
• 1:23:53
  He can't do it alone, though.
• 1:23:55
  There is a chance mathematically he can do this as long as the Oscar screws
• 1:24:01
  up and he wins everything, including the sprint races, max wins everything.
• 1:24:06
  So just running some simple scenarios.
• 1:24:08
  If he wins the last two remaining sprint races and the last five races, Oscar can
• 1:24:14
  come in second every time except one time.
• 1:24:17
  And Max will win.
• 1:24:18
  But if Oscar comes in second every time in the races and the sprint
• 1:24:23
  races and Max comes in first, there's a three point difference.
• 1:24:26
  You know what I'm gonna tell you that's gonna make sure that
• 1:24:28
  Oscar doesn't achieve that.
• 1:24:30
  Okay?
• 1:24:30
  It's two things.
• 1:24:31
  Stroll.
• 1:24:32
  The first one is Lando, and the second one is Norris.
• 1:24:35
  Okay?
• 1:24:36
  Lando is not gonna let it happen, right?
• 1:24:39
  He's either gonna take him out or he is gonna call up Big Papa Papaya, Zach Brown.
• 1:24:43
  He is gonna say, team orders.
• 1:24:45
  You need to put Oscar behind me because I'm the primary driver this week.
• 1:24:48
  Remember, that's what's gonna happen mathematically.
• 1:24:51
  If Max wins the next five races and the next two Sprint races, even
• 1:24:56
  if Lando comes in second in all those races, he cannot beat Max.
• 1:24:59
  Oscar can't beat Max.
• 1:25:01
  Lando can't beat Max.
• 1:25:02
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:25:03
  Burins got it in the bag because McLaren's gonna take themselves out if that happens.
• 1:25:10
  If they are not podium or they take each other out completely.
• 1:25:14
  If Max can win, every is done.
• 1:25:16
  He's, he is a five time champion telling you it's gonna happen.
• 1:25:20
  The crystal ball, it's gonna happen.
• 1:25:22
  It's gonna happen.
• 1:25:23
  We're not gonna see the stupidity that we saw earlier this year where
• 1:25:26
  Max is taking people out and coming in like 13th and like whatever he
• 1:25:31
  was doing in the middle of the year.
• 1:25:32
  Well, he was doing that for Christian Horner.
• 1:25:34
  Well, yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  Right.
• 1:25:35
  But I'm also wondering if some of that was like, to get to this point, right?
• 1:25:38
  Like, all right Max, you gotta throw these races away because then No, no, no.
• 1:25:43
  Max max.
• 1:25:45
  In the little that he lets you know about himself.
• 1:25:48
  'cause he is a very private person and although he is having his own
• 1:25:52
  documentary coming out, I forget on what service would be as exciting as
• 1:25:56
  that Scott Dixon thing we reviewed.
• 1:25:58
  Yes.
• 1:25:58
  Because he's that kind of person.
• 1:26:00
  But to my point, he is not the kind of person he would give
• 1:26:04
  a big middle finger to you.
• 1:26:06
  If someone came to him and said throw a race.
• 1:26:08
  He is never going to do that.
• 1:26:09
  He is always going to want to win.
• 1:26:11
  Just like how can he race at Nors life in the middle of his F1 season?
• 1:26:15
  How can he go do GT three racing and all this other stuff?
• 1:26:18
  Has any other driver ever gone and done another series?
• 1:26:20
  Usually it's like, oh my god, you can't even go fart in the corner.
• 1:26:24
  'cause God forbid you get injured and you can't race.
• 1:26:26
  Right.
• 1:26:26
  And yet he's out here doing whatever the f he wants because he can and he will.
• 1:26:31
  He doesn't care, so I, no way.
• 1:26:33
  I believe that he was throwing anything.
• 1:26:35
  His car was crap and he dealt with it the best way he could.
• 1:26:38
  Eric just wrote the next script for Drive to Survive that he's not gonna watch.
• 1:26:41
  I'm never gonna watch.
• 1:26:43
  I think also like Max didn't start racing in in GT three, you know, sport
• 1:26:48
  car racing until Christian Horner left.
• 1:26:51
  Am I correct in saying that it all happened last time?
• 1:26:53
  I don't know.
• 1:26:54
  I thought he was doing a ton of sim racing, but he never
• 1:26:57
  actually competed in a rule.
• 1:26:58
  I thought he did that test with the Acura like last year and some other stuff.
• 1:27:02
  Well, was it an actual official race?
• 1:27:04
  The Franz Herman is new for this year.
• 1:27:06
  Well, even the sim racing, he's been told not to do it, and he's basically said.
• 1:27:11
  F you because he'll do sim racing where he is racing all through the night, right.
• 1:27:15
  Especially like these endurance sim racings.
• 1:27:17
  And then the next day, you know, he is getting a couple hours of sleep next
• 1:27:19
  day getting the Formula One car to race.
• 1:27:21
  And basically his answer was, I just won the race.
• 1:27:23
  What's the problem?
• 1:27:24
  Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  And I think that is a valid answer.
• 1:27:27
  Touche like yeah, where's my number two?
• 1:27:30
  Yeah.
• 1:27:30
  I stayed up all night playing my sim racing, but I just came out here
• 1:27:33
  qualified on pole and then won the race.
• 1:27:35
  So because he downs like a six pack of Red Bull, I mean, come
• 1:27:38
  on, it's gotta be in his veins.
• 1:27:39
  He's racing with rich energy.
• 1:27:42
  Oh man.
• 1:27:43
  That's the secret formula right there.
• 1:27:45
  I didn't realize until I was going through all this stuff with the clubhouse and
• 1:27:48
  going through the vault and the pictures.
• 1:27:50
  When we went to Coda in 2018, been a minute pre COVID, max
• 1:27:55
  was already running at Red Bull.
• 1:27:56
  I mean, he's been in Formula One for quite a long time.
• 1:27:59
  To, to your point, Tanya, he doesn't care anymore.
• 1:28:02
  He was basically one of the youngest people.
• 1:28:04
  He was like 17 or something.
• 1:28:06
  He was like controversial too of him getting his license.
• 1:28:09
  Like at the age that he did.
• 1:28:10
  I'm telling you, he's gonna be up there.
• 1:28:12
  People are gonna be talking about him like Schumacher and Fangio and Senna.
• 1:28:15
  He's gonna be the next one.
• 1:28:17
  Crystal Ball says so.
• 1:28:18
  Well, since you brought up SIM racing this weekend, EA Sports gave F1
• 1:28:23
  2025 a way for free through Steam from Friday night through Monday
• 1:28:29
  afternoon, and we got our hands on it.
• 1:28:32
  What do we think?
• 1:28:33
  What do we think about the Formula One simulator?
• 1:28:35
  It was a lot better than I was expecting it to be 'cause I still
• 1:28:38
  remember, I haven't played a Formula One race game since, I don't know,
• 1:28:42
  formula one, 2002 or something.
• 1:28:44
  I don't know, like 1998.
• 1:28:47
  The last time it was free and it was horrible.
• 1:28:49
  They were like unplayable.
• 1:28:51
  As soon as you try to accelerate, you know, spin like a top.
• 1:28:54
  And it's like every time you try to accelerate out of a corner, they're
• 1:28:56
  sideways and spinning and they were unbearable, but I was expecting something
• 1:29:00
  similar to this and instead it was not at all like that and it felt very smooth.
• 1:29:05
  And I mean you could tell it was different than like a Forza or you know,
• 1:29:09
  some other, if you wanna call it sim, some other racing game, if you will.
• 1:29:13
  But I was pleased with it, man.
• 1:29:15
  You played a lot newer Formula one game than I did.
• 1:29:18
  The last Formula One game I played was the Nigel Mantle World
• 1:29:21
  Championship on Super Nintendo.
• 1:29:23
  That's like a step above pole position.
• 1:29:26
  No, I'm sorry.
• 1:29:26
  It was the, the last formula one game I played was the Tiger handheld.
• 1:29:30
  Oh man, you're going way back.
• 1:29:38
  That was the only sound effect.
• 1:29:40
  Yeah, no, to your point, I tried it out too, and.
• 1:29:43
  I liked it.
• 1:29:44
  Now the question is, do I wanna spend the 80 or a hundred
• 1:29:47
  dollars or whatever it costs?
• 1:29:49
  Yeah, that's the problem, the buy-in.
• 1:29:51
  And the problem is here we are at the tail end of the formula one season and
• 1:29:55
  EA iss like, oh, we'll give it to you for free because 2026 is coming out.
• 1:29:59
  And unlike EAs, other products where like WRC, they just keep adding to it.
• 1:30:04
  All you had to do was buy it in 2023, and they've continued to just add onto
• 1:30:08
  it and add onto it and add onto it.
• 1:30:09
  Formula One is like Madden, it was like, oh, Madden 22 and 23 and 24 and 25.
• 1:30:15
  So they're following that model and that's what sucks.
• 1:30:18
  It's like, well, I'm gonna pay full price, or maybe the discounted price
• 1:30:21
  because of this promotional weekend.
• 1:30:23
  But it's like the new ones around the corner again.
• 1:30:25
  Do you wait for 2026 to come out?
• 1:30:27
  But you're gonna pay a hundred bucks or do you buy 2025 and look at Dohan, you know,
• 1:30:32
  and other drivers that aren't in the field anymore, you know, on the 2025 roster.
• 1:30:37
  I don't know.
• 1:30:37
  My problem with those games is like how much improvement is actually made other
• 1:30:43
  than the roster changes, how much do they improve the game itself, the gameplay, the
• 1:30:47
  graphics and everything year over year?
• 1:30:50
  Like you probably played Madden or NBA back in the day, so you know, a lot of the
• 1:30:54
  times it was like reskinning, new boxing.
• 1:30:56
  It never really felt any different.
• 1:30:59
  And every so many years they would change the mechanics or they would change the ui
• 1:31:03
  or technology would advance and it would force them to change and they couldn't
• 1:31:07
  just kind of lather, rinse, repeat.
• 1:31:08
  And I think the same is a Formula One.
• 1:31:10
  It's like, okay, well we use the ego engine and it's tuned for
• 1:31:13
  Formula One and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:31:15
  And so none of that stuff really changes because if you think
• 1:31:17
  about it, the way the cars are shaped don't mean a hill of beans.
• 1:31:21
  In the digital world because there's no airflow, so the cars run at a prescribed
• 1:31:25
  speed and all those kinds of things.
• 1:31:27
  To your point, I think there's a little bit more of that regurgitation
• 1:31:30
  going on on the formula one side than there would be maybe in any
• 1:31:33
  other game or franchise, you know?
• 1:31:35
  Yeah.
• 1:31:36
  Now, I will say, just to add that it is, and it's unrelated to Formula One, but
• 1:31:40
  related to what we're talking about with this Sim Aceto, Corsa, you know, they
• 1:31:44
  came out with Evo and Evos been sort of ah, because they released it pre-Alpha
• 1:31:49
  and every month you get an update and all this kind of thing behind the scenes.
• 1:31:52
  And unbeknownst to a lot of people, probably one of the best kept
• 1:31:56
  secrets in gaming right now is Aceto Corsa Rally, which has been under
• 1:32:01
  development for the last not one.
• 1:32:04
  But four years and they have their own skunkworks division specifically dedicated
• 1:32:09
  to it, and it is coming out mid-November.
• 1:32:11
  And I am so stoked.
• 1:32:14
  And if you haven't seen the previews for it, where it's absolutely gorgeous, they
• 1:32:18
  are not releasing the full game on day one, which is a little bit disappointing,
• 1:32:22
  but there's gonna be some cool stuff.
• 1:32:24
  Come day one in November.
• 1:32:25
  Super excited for that.
• 1:32:26
  And there is one more racing game on the radar and that is Project
• 1:32:31
  Motor Racing, which looks like it might be some of the guys from Bin
• 1:32:37
  slash Slightly Mad Studios, all those guys that used to do project cars.
• 1:32:41
  'cause you know the name project, they didn't fall too far from the oak tree.
• 1:32:45
  It looks really good.
• 1:32:46
  They've got licensing from Porsche, which means there's some money behind that.
• 1:32:49
  'cause you can't just willy-nilly throw the Porsche Crest and the cars around
• 1:32:52
  without getting into some serious trouble.
• 1:32:54
  Apparently they're gonna have IMSA GTO racing in that game.
• 1:32:56
  Exactly.
• 1:32:58
  And that is super exciting.
• 1:32:59
  So that's another one that's on my radar here for the fall winter,
• 1:33:03
  whenever they finally release it.
• 1:33:04
  November 25th, two weeks after a Seto rally.
• 1:33:07
  So there we go, Brad, spend your money on Formula 1 20 25 or buy
• 1:33:11
  two games for the same price.
• 1:33:13
  You know what's kind of hard to get into with the Formula One game, which
• 1:33:17
  I found a little bit of a struggle as I sat there, you know, playing it is.
• 1:33:21
  I enjoyed going to Coda.
• 1:33:23
  Because I know Coda from literal firsthand experience.
• 1:33:28
  And then you look at the rest of the roster and you're like, oh, well
• 1:33:32
  I don't know any of these tracks.
• 1:33:33
  Like other than a Yeah, spa.
• 1:33:35
  No spa.
• 1:33:36
  'cause you've played spa on other racing games.
• 1:33:38
  But then it's like Miami.
• 1:33:40
  What a trash heap.
• 1:33:41
  That's a terrible track.
• 1:33:42
  Horrible, terrible course, right?
• 1:33:45
  Like at least.
• 1:33:46
  You go to something like Forza or whatever and it's like Watkins Glen and
• 1:33:49
  VIR, and you have these other tracks that maybe a little bit more familiar,
• 1:33:52
  which makes it fun as well, right?
• 1:33:54
  Because there's a little bit of attachment there.
• 1:33:57
  I don't know, go into some of the tracks that are in the Formula One rock.
• 1:34:00
  It's like this track sucks.
• 1:34:02
  Like I don't even like watching it, let alone playing it.
• 1:34:05
  Fictitiously definitely got a bunch of those on my list too.
• 1:34:08
  So those are all in the negative column in the con column of why I
• 1:34:12
  don't wanna spend the $80 on, you know, the next title of Formula one.
• 1:34:15
  I'd rather have something with a little bit more diversity, right?
• 1:34:29
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• 1:34:41
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• 1:34:43
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• 1:34:47
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• 1:34:48
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• 1:34:53
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• 1:34:56
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• 1:35:01
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• 1:35:04
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• 1:35:10
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• 1:35:14
  Well, guys, I guess that sort of wraps things up.
• 1:35:16
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• 1:35:22
  Some sad news in the HPDE world.
• 1:35:24
  Let's take a moment of silence here.
• 1:35:27
  For some very upsetting news to hear that pit race.
• 1:35:31
  Is closing.
• 1:35:32
  Ah, and there's confirmation from various sources that this is
• 1:35:36
  indeed true, including directly from pit race's own site.
• 1:35:41
  That 2025 is the last season for any racing at the facility.
• 1:35:45
  They are going to be permanently shutting down.
• 1:35:48
  I plan to include some of our highlights from Fit Race for those
• 1:35:52
  that have never seen a lap at Pittsburgh International Raceway.
• 1:35:55
  Check out the videos that we include with the show notes.
• 1:35:58
  I mean, one of the most fun smiles per mile lap on the East Coast.
• 1:36:04
  A heck of a lot of fun.
• 1:36:05
  And it's, I'm just bummed.
• 1:36:06
  I don't know what else to say.
• 1:36:08
  Yeah, it doesn't have the same character.
• 1:36:11
  As Road Atlanta or Wacked Glen, but it was miles above a lot of other tracks.
• 1:36:15
  And it's just a shame to see places like this close and there's nothing near it.
• 1:36:20
  It's in the middle of nowhere.
• 1:36:21
  There's no developments.
• 1:36:22
  There's, they claim it's gonna be turned into a data center or something like that.
• 1:36:25
  You know, there's a lot of speculation, but the land has been sold and it's
• 1:36:29
  just like, it's really, really sad.
• 1:36:30
  And, and I put a, a slight article together about this too.
• 1:36:33
  Where are events like the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix gonna go and all the,
• 1:36:37
  the carting tournaments and all the other stuff that was happening at pit raise.
• 1:36:40
  It wasn't like, it wasn't busy, but it just got sold
• 1:36:43
  out from underneath everybody.
• 1:36:45
  And that's.
• 1:36:45
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• 1:36:47
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• 1:36:50
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• 1:36:53
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• 1:37:50
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• 1:38:03
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• 1:38:07
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• 1:38:28
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• 1:38:37
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• 1:38:43
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