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The Michael Jordan Effect, Hurricane Hocevar & The Excitement of Atlanta! | Mast Cast Ep 5 · Kenny Wallace Media

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  Well, dad, we're back. I think this is like episode.
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  I like that face you're making. All right, that'll be that.
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  We can make that to YouTube thumbnail that whatever we were
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  just doing there. I'll screencap that and that'll
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  be our thumbnail. Mast cast is back.
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  He's former NASCAR driver Rick Mast.
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  I'm his non driving son, Ricky Mast and dad, this was another
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  great, great weekend for NASCAR in my opinion.
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  The entire weekend was awesome. We've come a long way from
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  seemingly well, it was just a month ago when we were talking
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  about Mother Nature screwing us over with the clash and all
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  that. And it's everything's been a
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  whole lot better since then in my in my opinion.
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  And this week in Atlanta, I will go ahead and say reinforces what
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  I said previously on mass cast. I think that Atlanta, excuse me,
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  Echo Park Speedway, it's going to take me some getting used to.
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  I'm going to call it Atlanta a lot still probably.
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  I think Atlanta is the most entertaining track on the
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  circuit right now, at least for the fans.
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  I'm not getting into the the maybe the the purity of it or
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  the the old school note of it and nobody being able to pull
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  away from each other. I'm not debating all that.
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  I'm just saying I'm a fan in the stands or I'm a fan at home
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  watching on TV like I was. And I do live in the Atlanta
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  area now, but we have a little 1 here and we didn't have a
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  babysitter so we were watching on TV but all weekend trucks.
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  O'Reilly series, I got that one right.
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  O'Reilly series, Cup series, very entertaining.
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  Ended with amazing win from Tyler Reddick.
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  Michael Jordan front and center again, all kinds of great stuff.
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  So where you want to start, There's all kinds of stuff to
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  unpack. Here yeah, it was it was great I
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  mean they we listen we got some momentum going right now, man,
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  NASCAR's got the big MO on their side, right.
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  I mean the Daytona deal that was everybody agreed that was great
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  had great TV ratings. Everything was good about
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  Daytona during if we didn't follow it up with Atlanta,
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  right, It was just man, phenomenal, phenomenal racing on
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  TV to watch on TV. And then a lot of folks were in
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  the stands. They keep saying ever since
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  they've reconfigured it, each time they come back, they get
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  more and more fans back in the stands and and that that that
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  point was proven Sunday when you want to watch the race.
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  But man, you couldn't ask for a better, I don't know, you
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  couldn't ask for better races. The three the three races, they
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  were just great. I mean, it just, again, all
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  kinds of storylines about these races and the whole deal.
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  But to me, it's like, you know, we got momentum on her side,
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  man. We got NASCAR's got momentum.
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  We haven't had this in a while like this.
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  You just kind of feel it there. You, you, you read it, you see
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  it, OK, you hear it. Then tones of voices of people
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  talking, the interviews they do all the stuff that's going on.
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  You just, it's just like you, you hear it and you see it in
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  these folks, man. It's like, you know, we got
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  renewed enthusiasm, OK, with, with not just fans, but the
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  participants, you know, some of the media, you just, I don't
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  know, it's, it's a good gig going right now.
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  We got to keep it going. It is.
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  And you got to keep some things in perspective.
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  And I'm sure somebody could hear me say this and then pull a
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  certain picture of a certain angle of the stands at Atlanta
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  and say, well, it wasn't sold out, You know, it wasn't like it
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  was in 1999, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Yeah, yeah, OK. But put it in perspective.
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  It wasn't that long ago seemingly that we're going to
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  Atlanta once a year and the grandstands would be, it was
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  pretty tough. There would be a whole lot of
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  open seats and now you're coming there twice a year and you got a
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  whole lot of butts in those seats and you got great racing
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  to go along with it. So I keep things in perspective
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  here. Don't live too much in the
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  moment. Just think back a few years to
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  where we were at that particular venue where NASCAR has been for
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  decades and decades. And now it was, I don't know if
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  it was ever truly in in like at risk of going away completely.
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  And I find that hard to believe with a market like Atlanta, but
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  it was struggling, if we're being honest here.
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  This was and now look at where we're at right now.
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  And we're we're in a much. Better just keep things in
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  perspective. We're in a much better spot
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  right now. Oh yeah, it's it's good.
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  Yeah. They reconfigured that track and
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  making it a mini restrictor plate track.
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  Well, they don't use restrictor plates any longer, but same same
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  concept. You know, it's a mini Daytona,
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  mini Talladega. I mean, it's it's so good right
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  now we're starting to hear rumbles about reconfigure some
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  of the other race tracks. Man, I hope they don't do that.
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  I make it, do it. You know, you can do it at any
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  of those mile, mile and a half race tracks if you wanted to,
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  you know, do it at Kansas, do it at Texas, do it all these
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  places. And then what you have is
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  another Atlanta. It's not Talladega Daytona, but
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  it is a shorter version of Talladega Daytona, right?
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  Everybody stays packed up one step there.
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  Everybody stays wide open. The draft comes in into play.
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  But you know, the last few races Atlanta has been like that.
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  You know, it's just that. I don't know, it's like it's
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  catching on with people now or something all of a sudden.
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  I'm not sure it's a great deal. Our buddy Kurt, who listens and
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  watches, we've known for a long, long time.
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  Good dude. Kurt, you know, he went watches
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  and listens to us. He sent me a message.
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  He's like he, he's all for a reconfigure in Texas to be like
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  Atlanta. And he said, you know, y'all
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  should talk about that. And I wanted to talk about it
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  'cause I do think it's a great topic.
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  I I'm with you. I don't want to reconfigure
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  anyplace else to be like Atlanta because I think, and this is not
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  just NASCAR, this is any sport like really a lot of forms of
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  entertainment. You find something that works
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  and sometimes your reaction can be all right, we got to
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  replicate this as much as we can, as many other places as we
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  can. And then you end up kind of you
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  end up losing a little bit of what's special about it.
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  It's kind of like, I don't know if this is a fair comparison,
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  but it's kind of like the championship debate, what we've
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  had the last decade with where we we had created or conjured up
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  a Game 7 moment. But the problem is if you build
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  a of Game 7 moment every year, like it's a sure thing you're
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  going to get it, then it kind of loses the magic of a Game 7.
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  That's what makes a Game 7 special is you don't have one
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  every year. So I think the Atlanta is such a
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  good race now, let's leave it that way.
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  We know it's going to be races two years, 2 * a year.
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  Let's leave it that way. Kind of like I'll give you a
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  good case in point would be hypothetically say F1 say, you
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  know, they come into the United States, the worldwide, the
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  worldwide deal. F1 is they did the next next
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  flick Series A few years ago that that really got interest
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  going and they got a couple races US Dow.
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  And when they come, they get all the fanfare.
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  You know, they get a lot of people show up a lot talked
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  about it a big deal, right? And I've always said F1, I love
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  F1. The forest, the engineering
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  part, you know, the technical part, the racing itself sucks.
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  I mean, just get out there and everybody goes hard as it can.
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  But it's not racing, you know, I just see who go the fastest, but
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  you only race each other very much.
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  Take those one or two races that they run with the fanfare.
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  Add 25 more races to it in the United States.
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  Make those guys run every week, right?
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  36 races like NASCAR. And then come back and tell me
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  how special it is, right? It it goes into what you're
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  saying. You do you know something,
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  something is good. You don't.
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  You don't over saturate it. Yeah, it's, it's an easy thing
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  to do. It really is like anything in
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  life, if you find something that's really good, you're, you
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  want to do it as much as possible.
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  In some areas that can work. But it's, it's sometimes what
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  makes things special is they don't happen every day.
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  They don't happen every place you go like that's you look
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  forward to those things. You know, like you, the masters
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  is only one time a year and one course a year.
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  I don't know why that's the first thing that came to my
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  mind. Maybe it's because it's around
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  the corner, but that's just kind of what makes these things
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  special is you don't have it all the time.
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  And I like the and I like the idea of I don't want the same
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  type of racing every week. You know, I don't want that.
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  I I want, I want to see some races where a guy can drive away
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  or pull away. I want that mixed in there too.
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  I don't need every week to be green, white checkered 3 four
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  3/4 of the field wrecks that whole deal.
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  So I think it's a very, very I love that Kurt brought that up.
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  I think it's a great, great topic.
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  I think that they've I think you've they found a way to
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  really fix it, like fix Atlanta as far as attendance and
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  interest wise. And so great.
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  Cool. That doesn't mean like if
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  another venue area needs a little bit of help with
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  something, you don't have to don't have to replicate Atlanta.
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  You can you can find some other ways to to do that.
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  So all that being said, so I'll, I'll, before we get into the
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  race, I'll say this the the winner of the first two weeks,
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  Tyler Reddick. So in between his first two
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  races, he was on a week long media tour with NASCAR.
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  Of course, you win the Daytona 500.
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  They take you anywhere and everywhere and you're on anybody
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  that's even got a camera and a microphone though they they,
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  they take you there. So Tyler Reddick was all over
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  the place. He was on the Empire State
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  Building. He's I'd look on TV, he's on
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  ESPN, he's here, he's there. Well, Friday, this past Friday,
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  he was in the Atlanta area, obviously coming here for race
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  weekend in Atlanta and he came out to Truist Park where I work
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  with the Braves. And I got to meet him and
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  interview him for, for those who watch the show and don't know, I
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  host a a podcast for the Atlanta Braves called behind the Braves.
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  So Tyler is my guest that that show will be dropping out
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  dropping this week. And I got to tell you, I'd never
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  met him before I became a Tyler Reddick fan after meeting him,
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  talking with him. Super, super nice guy.
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  I played, if you listen to the show when it comes out, I played
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  like a little history game with him where I've got a bunch of
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  names of actual NASCAR drivers and Major League Baseball
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  players from the past. And he had to guess, you know,
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  was each one a baseball player, NASCAR driver.
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  And in talking with him and that that's where I found out he's,
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  he's a regular on raceandreference.com and like
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  somebody that's very interested in the history of the sport too,
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  which was, which was, and appreciates it, which I thought
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  was really cool. And once he put it together that
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  that I was your son, He he really, he got a kick out of
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  that. And he, yeah, he even said he's
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  like, well, when he found out, when I told him like who my dad
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  was, he goes, he was on stage with Harry the Hall of Fame.
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  And I was like, yeah, yeah, he was.
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  So, and then after we did the interview, we went on a took him
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  on a tour of the ballpark. And then he did a fan event at
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  our clubhouse store just for an hour, had the Daytona 500 trophy
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  there, the Harley J Earl trophy. Fans could come in for free, get
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  autographs and pictures with him.
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  And this is what this is what I love.
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  He took pictures and signed whatever people want to sign.
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  But with each person they had a, we had a big crowd, right?
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  So we had to keep it moving. But with every single person, he
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  was taking time to actually talk to him a little bit.
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  You know, it wasn't just signing looking down, never looking at
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  him or anything like was taking time to actually talk with
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  everybody, interact with them. Great video.
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  We posted on Braves channels of him, there's a kid taking his
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  picture with him and Tyler just all of a sudden takes off his
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  Daytona 500 ring, says here, pop that on for a second and the kid
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  just lights up like he made that kids year, right.
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  So all that to say, I became a big Tyler Reddick fan after
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  that. So it was cool to see him win on
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  Sunday. Came out of nowhere.
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  No, no Fender on the right front, which I was going to ask
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  you about that. Do you think that actually
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  helped him? I'm stupid when it comes that
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  stuff, so you got to tell me. I don't know, man, I, I listened
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  to all the, I listened to all the talking heads right all day.
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  And it seems like nobody can quite figure that out.
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  I all I can do, all I can do is go off history.
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  And I, I remember Martinsville, Bristol and somebody at Dover
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  lost right front Fender, right. I think it was Earnhardt at
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  Bristol and I think Gant maybe at Martinsville and I forget
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  Dover. Anyhow, I think they were after
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  the fingers got knocked off, man, they dominated right?
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  And everybody said the reason was, well, it's keeping the
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  right front tire cool. And I heard that today from some
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  talking head and racing. Well, that's what they figures
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  going on. I will say this, we, we, we talk
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  about thousands of an inch and all the body configurations and
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  everything they do. The one thing that does make
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  sense, you do get a little technical here.
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  The air, first thing that air sees is a bumper, right?
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  It sees the bumper, then it kind of it kind of jumps up and, and,
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  and the part of his Fender that was missing was that round part
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  above the bumper on as it rounds up and goes back.
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  That part was missing that my understanding is not a real
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  critical area. In the other words is not going,
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  not a lot going on right there. The bumpers done the work start
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  with and it separates and there goes up and where the air was
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  going up. It really evidently is not
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  attaching itself to the Fender in that area very much OK to
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  begin with. And so with the Fender not
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  there, it didn't really affect it much.
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  So had to be some effect. You know, we didn't see, we
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  didn't see him leading the pack or leading the line for five
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  laps, right? I mean, all I had to do it was
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  what, quarter of a mile, you know, he got jumped out and got
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  the lead with that big push and the momentum help, momentum held
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  him. Don't know if he could have if
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  he could have let it pack or not for a lap or two, right.
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  Don't know what that was about. But you know, when it first
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  happened and I saw that and I saw actually the damage of the
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  car when it was Victory Lane or wherever it was, I'm like, damn,
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  the whole thing is gone, right? But how in the world is that?
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  How does that happen? And then thinking about it and
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  going back in my pulling back my old aerodynamic studies from
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  years ago, thinking about that area right in there is not, you
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  know, the down on the side. It is.
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  I mean, I know that's a big deal on the side right there, but it
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  was gone. So I mean, I don't know, Ricky,
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  I'm sure probably we got guys already cut thunders off the
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  cars today, maybe even NASCAR sticking a car in the window to
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  see what was going on there. I don't know.
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  But pretty remarkable that car was still able to run that fast
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  to do that and win that race. Yeah, yeah, it really was.
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  It was interesting. So.
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  So now I'm sitting here in my mind thinking about how the air
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  moves on the car so. Let's go go with that theory.
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  The bumper's doing all the work. That means the next time that
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  air is really hitting something on the car, you would be the
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  windshield essentially, kind of. And the.
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  Yeah, before somewhere before the a post before the
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  windshield, you know, when it starts doing this thing again,
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  you know, then you've got but then you've got the air exiting
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  out of the hood with the new style body, you know, get the
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  air coming out of the hood and stuff going on that I'm not
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  Privy to as far as aerodynamics and what what what's actually
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  going on with that? You know, 'cause you know, right
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  now if this car, you know, the air comes in the grill, it's
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  the, and it just directly goes out the vents of the hood,
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  right? It feeds the, it feeds the fuel
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  cooling system and it feeds the engine for air, you know, air
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  for the engine. And then the leftover goes out
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  the exits of the hood. And I'm not not ever working
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  with these cars myself with a went on.
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  I'm not sure what goes on right there.
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  But Needless to say, you can run a half a lap in Atlanta with a
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  push and win the race with the right front Fender.
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  That's all I can tell you for sure.
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  Do you see there was the one really good video, his on board
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  camera when he was when he went from 24 about like 20th or 21st
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  up to about third and I think it was like 2 laps or something.
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  That was pretty, that was pretty wild to watch it.
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  It's one of those videos, even though I've been basically
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  watching this stuff my entire life, it was one of those videos
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  that still is a good reminder to me of like how good you guys are
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  and how tough it is to do what you do.
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  And the split second decisions that have to be made.
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  Honestly, I don't know, 100 * a lap.
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  I I mean, just it's you're constantly making these split
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  second decisions And when you see one that just works out
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  perfectly. It's like when, when our buddy
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  Kenny Wallace pushed Dale Senior to his last win at Talladega.
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  Like when it just everything just comes together right.
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  You know, all the you made all the right decisions and the the
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  bounces bounced your way where you needed them to.
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  It's like, it's almost like art like when it just works
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  perfectly like that to watch that kind of stuff.
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  It's really, really, I love watching that.
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  Yeah, it is. It's it's you.
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  You kind of get a knack for it as time goes on.
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  And then when you make the wrong move, it's so frigging glaring,
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  you know, IE Bubba. I mean, you know, Lord of Mercy
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  guy had lead going in three last lap, you know, but that's that's
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  that's what happens. He's type race tracks,
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  Talladega, Daytona, Atlanta. Now, you know, going into three
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  leading doesn't mean anything, man.
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  It's getting off through the turn off 4.
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  But you know, bubble with the all the way to the outside with
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  and I listened to some of his in car Freddie, Freddie crafty
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  spotter, you know, very, very good spotter and he kept telling
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  him clear, hi, clear hi and I don't I don't know, you know
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  what went on there. But you know, obviously and
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  Bubba tell you I'm sure because he's dejected is the wrong move
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  to make thing of it is if he just stayed down there, that
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  outside line may have went on by him anyhow.
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  I don't know. But it just, it turned out to
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  look like a glare mistake on Bubba's part.
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  But you know, whatever I mean, I mean, Reddick made a hell again.
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  Reddick made a hell of a move to do what he did to win that race,
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  a heck of a deal. Come back up through the pack
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  the way he did to to do all that.
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  And you know, they've, they've got things going for him right
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  now. They just, they got it going on.
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  Yeah, I know that. That's a great calling, Baba.
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  I think he even said, I can't remember exactly how he said it
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  in his his interview, but he said something.
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  The effect of it sucks. Sort of like he didn't realize,
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  he didn't think he went as high as he went, you know, So I think
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  he was all mine. He was dejected, but he almost
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  looked a little like just trying to, you know, rewind in his
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  mind, trying to figure out what he had.
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  But you're exactly right. Like he had to make a movie.
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  He couldn't just stay on the bottom.
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  He had to go up. So it just, it just didn't work
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  out for him. But yeah, to your .2311, I mean,
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  basically if you go back to whatever day it was in December
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  on the courthouse steps with him and Jim France, it's just been
• 18:05
  nothing but wins for that team. I mean, just absolutely nothing
• 18:10
  as far as the the race and you know, Denny of course has had
• 18:13
  some terrible things off the off the track and not related to
• 18:16
  racing that have happened, but performance wise and everything
• 18:19
  as far as that team and their moment.
• 18:21
  Talk about big momentum. I mean, goodness gracious, you
• 18:24
  just couldn't script it any better for them.
• 18:26
  What what's happened? And then Michael Jordan,
• 18:30
  obviously we have to talk about this.
• 18:31
  So just the impact of who is still, I would say the most
• 18:38
  popular athlete on the planet, even though he's been retired
• 18:42
  for about 20 some years now, it just it's hard to, it's hard to,
• 18:47
  I would have a hard time saying that there's still anybody
• 18:49
  that's not as popular as him as far as athletes current or
• 18:53
  retired go and just with the brand.
• 18:55
  And he's just one of those very, very few truly larger than life
• 19:00
  figures that we we've seen. And so for him to be front and
• 19:03
  center in NASCAR at all, much less the first two weeks.
• 19:08
  And I thought this was interesting.
• 19:09
  I read this today. So I actually saw Jamie Little
• 19:12
  had it was a post from awful announcing and Jamie Little
• 19:16
  commented on it. So NBCI don't know how much
• 19:19
  money, but NBC the as the story goes, paid Jordan.
• 19:23
  Everybody thinks a whole lot of money for him to be a basketball
• 19:27
  analyst during their basketball coverage this year.
• 19:30
  Now, look, I don't watch a lot of NBAI try to keep up with the
• 19:33
  Hawks here in town as much as I can, but don't watch a ton of
• 19:36
  NBAI watch our our who's in college.
• 19:38
  That's mainly our Virginia Cavaliers.
• 19:40
  We're up to #11 by the way, after a big win this weekend.
• 19:44
  But from what I read, NBC paid MJA lot of money and there's a
• 19:48
  big deal. They're going to have him as a
• 19:50
  basketball analyst this year. And the article I read basically
• 19:52
  sounds like he did one sit down with Mike Tirico at some point
• 19:56
  earlier in the season and they've kind of chopped that up
• 20:00
  and they're just showing bits of it every now and then.
• 20:02
  So far to date, it's only like 4 minutes or 5 minutes in total of
• 20:08
  these segments that have aired that have actually shown up on
• 20:10
  NBC. They're talking about how
• 20:13
  Minutes was in the last 8 days. He's actually done more time on
• 20:18
  Fox during NASCAR races for free obviously.
• 20:23
  These last eight days on Fox, just with the NASCAR coverage,
• 20:28
  it's a big deal, man, for for the world's most popular athlete
• 20:31
  to be there front and Center for NASCAR each week.
• 20:34
  I know he's not one of the drivers like we, we our drivers
• 20:37
  are our heroes, right? We need to make them our heroes.
• 20:40
  But that's a big deal that he's there and he's such a, he's a
• 20:42
  legitimate, he legitimately loves the sport, which is which
• 20:46
  is great. And I will I give Jamie Little a
• 20:48
  shout out to it seems like she has a must have a really good
• 20:52
  rapport with him because he he's not one to do a lot of
• 20:55
  interviews and he seems like he'll pretty much if she asked
• 20:58
  him to say something, he'll do it, which is great.
• 21:00
  So I'll start it there. But let's just talk about the
• 21:03
  Jordan effect and where what you think about it.
• 21:05
  So. Well, yeah, I heard, I think
• 21:08
  talk to talk about what you said there.
• 21:11
  I heard Jamie Little interview she did first time she met
• 21:14
  Gordon Jordan somewhere. She was not in Nike, she was in
• 21:18
  Adidas. So yeah, they have to move the
• 21:22
  camera off. Not a full shot, right?
• 21:25
  But anyhow, oh, Michael Jordan, I'll talk about five years now
• 21:29
  or is it 6? And I'm going to get to this
• 21:31
  deal. But what I want to talk about
• 21:32
  here real quickly is the Joe Gibbs effect.
• 21:35
  All right, Joe Gibbs came into our sport 909293 very early 90s.
• 21:44
  And I remember going to a welcome, a welcome mean, I don't
• 21:49
  know, gathering or something. It was in Daytona is one of one
• 21:52
  of the fancy motels, the big ballroom.
• 21:54
  And they were they were actually honoring Joe Gibbs welcome in
• 21:57
  the entire sport. I remember Ricky Skaggs is there
• 22:00
  singing a lot of different things going on.
• 22:02
  But you got to understand this was back before social media,
• 22:06
  this back for all the stuff you you, you found out things by
• 22:10
  watching television and your newspaper, right?
• 22:14
  And at that point nationally, I don't know that there was a more
• 22:18
  discussed or more well named, well well known name than Joe
• 22:22
  Gibbs just because of all his success with the Redskins and
• 22:25
  all of the the Super Bowls and all that.
• 22:27
  He was just, he was a reverend coach.
• 22:29
  But people just love Joe Gibbs and he shows up in racing, right
• 22:33
  as a team owner and he's still here, you know, 40 years later
• 22:36
  or whatever. And I remember thinking, man,
• 22:40
  this is a big deal and everybody in our sport thought it was a
• 22:42
  big deal. And, and, and Joe Gibbs had a
• 22:45
  positive impact on our sport. There's no doubt he bought, he
• 22:49
  brought thousands and thousands of fans to our sport and even
• 22:52
  more eyeballs to our sport and people that watch it maybe
• 22:55
  didn't stick on and stay with us, but there's a lot, a lot of
• 22:59
  long time fans in our sport today that came because of Joe
• 23:02
  Gibbs in those days. And again, he was a national
• 23:04
  personality here. Now we got Michael MJ showing
• 23:09
  up. It's been five years since they
• 23:11
  started. I think maybe 6, maybe this or
• 23:13
  six year. And I've been waiting, I've been
• 23:17
  waiting all this time for the Joe Gibbs effect to happen with
• 23:20
  Michael, OK, he came in, I mean, every being a lot of everybody
• 23:24
  in the sport praised him and wrote stuff about him, talked
• 23:27
  about him and did did all that. But it seems like it was like a
• 23:32
  perfect storm happened, man, when he, him and NASCAR got in
• 23:35
  the suit. They got suing each other last
• 23:37
  year. And it comes down to the winter
• 23:39
  time in December. And that's all over the news.
• 23:41
  It's if you go on social media, it's all you hear Michael Jordan
• 23:44
  suing NASCAR, All right, Michael Jordan this, Michael Jordan that
• 23:48
  NASCAR, they get that thing sold.
• 23:51
  We go to friggin Daytona. Michael Jordan wins, his team
• 23:54
  wins in Daytona 500 and it's all over not just national, but
• 24:00
  worldwide. And here's the reason I say
• 24:01
  worldwide. Michael Joe Gibbs was a
• 24:04
  nationwide product brand. Michael Jordan is a worldwide
• 24:07
  brand and product, right? I don't mean product right,
• 24:10
  Mike's Mike, but his name and and his influence and his his
• 24:15
  reach is worldwide. And for some reason is like a
• 24:18
  perfect storm happened five years later or six years later
• 24:21
  after he came to the sport. All of a sudden it's like the
• 24:26
  country and the world is finding out, hey, Michael Jordan, he's
• 24:29
  in NASCAR. Michael Jordan has a race team.
• 24:31
  Well, he's been here five years. Well, guess what?
• 24:33
  Michael's so low keyed, he doesn't do interviews.
• 24:35
  Everybody knows that. Very low keyed, you know, be
• 24:39
  hard, hard, hard pressed to get a interview out of him from
• 24:42
  anybody, right? He just, he's very, he's very
• 24:46
  high. Kind of like Earnhardt in that
• 24:47
  stuff, right? They all kept himself.
• 24:49
  Michael keeps himself, but to go to Daytona and do what they did,
• 24:54
  Jamie got the interviews. Then they go to Atlanta, man,
• 24:57
  and they win again. And there's Michael during the
• 25:00
  race telling Jamie Little on national TV that no, it's not
• 25:05
  cold. I'm so excited.
• 25:07
  I don't even know it's cold out here.
• 25:09
  And for for all that to happen, it's like, man, we're the whole
• 25:15
  country now is talking about Michael Jordan.
• 25:17
  Now, what I mean by the Joe give effect is we're going to have
• 25:20
  the Michael Jordan effect. We're going to get we're going
• 25:22
  to get thousands and thousands of people watching our sport now
• 25:26
  for a while just because of the interest of Michael Jordan.
• 25:28
  There's there's no denying that. There's no doubt of that.
• 25:31
  You know, this is what this is kind of the moment that I've
• 25:35
  been waiting on since Michael Jordan came in their sport,
• 25:37
  right? And I've never outside of her
• 25:40
  sport. I don't know know how many
• 25:42
  people or the rest of the country or the world knew about
• 25:44
  him being in her sport. But now after the last, what, 3
• 25:48
  months, four months? Everybody in this country, most
• 25:50
  people in the world know Michael Jordan is a part of NASCAR.
• 25:55
  And the neat part about it, there's nothing pretendious
• 25:58
  about that. There's nothing.
• 26:01
  There's nothing other than he loves our sport of NASCAR.
• 26:06
  And it was instilled in him by his daddy.
• 26:07
  His daddy took him as a little kid to the races, right?
• 26:11
  And his daddy loved it. And then Michael fell in love
• 26:13
  with it. Then he spent a few years off
• 26:15
  messing around with basketball or something making a few
• 26:17
  billion dollars, right? But then he kind of, it's kind
• 26:21
  of like, it's kind of like you could see it, man, who's at the
• 26:24
  racetrack and what he's talking to people and interacting and
• 26:27
  even being interviewed what you didn't ever do.
• 26:30
  It's like it's like he's home. It's like this is his home.
• 26:33
  Maybe you know, it's like he's back to you.
• 26:36
  I don't know if it's back to his roots or whatever it is, but the
• 26:40
  other thing it does too, it it gives him, you know, the
• 26:43
  competitive person like Michael, you know, he hadn't had anything
• 26:46
  to have these things get these juices flowing in in a couple of
• 26:49
  decade or two, right? And believe me, believe you be
• 26:53
  this. If you're in NASCAR and you're
• 26:54
  in that garage here and you've got an ownership role in the
• 26:56
  team, you're going to be sweating bullets and jumping up
• 27:00
  and down and screaming and hollering if your team wins.
• 27:03
  And you know, he's a perfect example of of a of a of a race
• 27:07
  fan number one that is now a race team owner and.
• 27:11
  NASCAR, everybody in our sport, we we can't do anything but
• 27:15
  benefit from from him being there.
• 27:17
  And again, it's a Joe Gibbs effect, IE now Michael Jordan
• 27:20
  effect. Yeah, no, you're exactly right.
• 27:23
  I I love that you touched on it because I wanted to bring that
• 27:25
  up too. You can tell the competitor like
• 27:28
  this is, you know, he had, he's been retired from basketball for
• 27:32
  a couple decades. He had the ownership in the NBA,
• 27:35
  didn't really see, as far as you know, wins and banners hanging
• 27:38
  up, didn't see a lot of success there.
• 27:40
  He sold that team. This is but this is is you can
• 27:44
  tell it's scratching that competitive itch and he's fully
• 27:48
  that never you might have to give up.
• 27:52
  You know, you got to retire from basketball or whatever, but it's
• 27:54
  not like that competitive drive goes away.
• 27:56
  It's still there. You find something else that
• 27:59
  they get you fired. I think he even said it after
• 28:01
  they won Daytona last week. He said something the effect of
• 28:04
  he felt like he was like winning another NBA championship.
• 28:08
  Basically, that's how he felt and that's that's legit.
• 28:10
  I'll give you the the MJ effect. Here's just a little small
• 28:14
  example of it from this weekend. So my buddy Kevin Mcalpin, who
• 28:18
  you know, he officiated my wedding long time Braves Nate
• 28:22
  radio network reporter networks for impact financial here in
• 28:26
  Atlanta. So he he and his son Max went to
• 28:29
  their first NASCAR race this weekend.
• 28:31
  They went to the race yesterday, had a good time and they were,
• 28:34
  they were very cold, very, very cold.
• 28:37
  But he said they had a great time and he was posting all
• 28:39
  these pictures. They were down on Pit Rd. for
• 28:41
  the race and walking around and Max is getting this picture next
• 28:44
  to all the cars and all that. But then Kevin sent in in a
• 28:50
  Group, A friends group text. We have he sent a picture
• 28:53
  because the airport and for those who don't know, in
• 28:55
  Atlanta, the airport that all the drivers and teams fly in and
• 28:58
  out of is right there, right there by the racetrack outside
• 29:01
  of turn two. I forget it's right there by the
• 29:04
  racetrack. Kevin sends us a picture and it
• 29:07
  was just of MJS plane sitting there at at the airport.
• 29:13
  He saw that new immediately. That's Michael Jordan's plane
• 29:16
  because it's kind of it's hard to mistake it, but that's just
• 29:19
  kind of that effect of somebody's never been to a
• 29:21
  NASCAR racer like turn Michael Jordan's here, you know, and
• 29:24
  they're aware that Michael Jordan's there and the the the
• 29:28
  effect of that just can't be understated.
• 29:31
  I tell you, if you're going to go through all the pain of that
• 29:34
  lawsuit and how nasty that got publicly and it was and it was
• 29:38
  bordering on not just detrimental, but catastrophic
• 29:44
  for the sport if if it played out a certain way.
• 29:49
  And when I say a certain way, I'm not trying to be cryptic
• 29:52
  there. I'm saying we, you and I talked
• 29:53
  about it before, had they not reached a settlement and one
• 29:57
  either side just wins and one side loses, I think in the end
• 30:00
  for the sport, the sport would have lost regardless of who who
• 30:04
  won and who lost. So for them to go through all
• 30:07
  that, if you're going to go through all that, boy, it
• 30:09
  couldn't, you couldn't have scripted it any better for this
• 30:12
  to be the way it comes out. Where again, we talked about
• 30:16
  last week, Michael Jordan's team wins the Daytona 500.
• 30:19
  He is smiling and fired up in Victory Lane and Jim France is
• 30:21
  right there with him in Victory Lane, smiling and fired up
• 30:25
  because he knows how good this like how good this is for the
• 30:27
  sport. So I mean, it's just a
• 30:31
  incredible, incredible first two weeks, man It's it's I don't
• 30:34
  think NASCAR could have asked for much of anything better
• 30:36
  these first two weeks. I really don't Mother Nature
• 30:38
  cooperated finally, for the most part, they had, you know, at
• 30:42
  least for the cup cup race. It it cooperated and it's it's
• 30:48
  it's it's part of the show now. M JS there, which is which is
• 30:52
  great. I wanted to I do want to talk
• 30:55
  let's talk about putting on a show.
• 30:58
  Love him or hate him, Carson Josavar is is part of the show.
• 31:02
  And I had a people and I everybody's going to have strong
• 31:05
  opinions about him and I interviewed him last year on the
• 31:08
  Braves podcast as well and got to spend a little bit of time
• 31:10
  with him. I I liked him.
• 31:12
  I found him to be the same guy that he is you see on TV.
• 31:15
  He's really funny on social media.
• 31:17
  That's who he is in person too. Very fast.
• 31:20
  Definitely he's got you know, he's he's he's going to win
• 31:26
  races at some point, but you know, he's still he's still very
• 31:29
  young in his career, but I'll come back to what I started
• 31:31
  with. Love him or hate him, he's
• 31:34
  entertaining to watch. So what, what, what did you,
• 31:37
  what did you think of Josefar and the particularly the move
• 31:39
  late there? Well, I'm a fan host of our I'm
• 31:42
  a fan, you know, and I'll tell you why.
• 31:45
  I'll tell you the result of that being a fan.
• 31:48
  I found myself during the race at Echo Park Speedway on TV
• 31:53
  looking for the 77 car and I and I I found myself doing it at
• 31:57
  Daytona, but at Daytona kept having left rear tires.
• 32:00
  He's spinning down the he's kept spinning out with the blooming
• 32:02
  tires. But the the deal, Atlanta or
• 32:04
  Echo Park Speedway, I kept looking for the 77 car on TV,
• 32:09
  right? And I'm like, yeah, OK, this
• 32:12
  guy's got it going on. Yeah, he, you know, he catches
• 32:15
  so much. Probably if I'm a driver and I'm
• 32:18
  in, I'm one of the other 35 drivers or whatever, I'm
• 32:20
  probably pissed off that guy 'cause he's done something wrong
• 32:23
  to me and I'd assume him not being out on the racetrack with
• 32:26
  me, right. So as from a driver's
• 32:28
  standpoint, I probably wouldn't like that.
• 32:31
  But from a fan standpoint, man, you know, it's not the next
• 32:37
  coming of Earnhardt, but good Lord of mercy, he, he's excited
• 32:40
  to watch. I mean, you know, the ill
• 32:42
  advised trying to get in the hole going into turn one of the
• 32:46
  last lap, you know, that the wrecked that wrecked out.
• 32:51
  Who was that erect? Eric Bell.
• 32:54
  Yeah. Christopher Bell, Yeah.
• 32:56
  You know, for like 1/2 a second, there was like maybe 1 inch of
• 33:01
  width wider than the car. That hole was there and he he
• 33:04
  had it wide open. He stuck it in there.
• 33:05
  And then that hole went away. And then of course, Bell got
• 33:08
  wrecked. And then, you know, the rest is
• 33:10
  history. But you know, it's like my
• 33:14
  problem with him is, you know, he's got so much talent and, and
• 33:17
  so many people yapping about him and, and the good party.
• 33:20
  He doesn't seem to be letting it affect him yet.
• 33:22
  Because here's the deal with drivers.
• 33:24
  And I've seen this many times drivers have come in, they're
• 33:27
  very fast, they're very aggressive and they wreck it all
• 33:29
  the time and everybody gets mad at them and they keep, they get
• 33:33
  themselves reined in a little bit where they're not wrecking.
• 33:36
  Guess what? They lose that edge, They lose
• 33:38
  that little bit of speed that made them excited.
• 33:41
  I've, I've seen, I've also seen it the other way.
• 33:43
  Guys come in and, and, and tone down the, the, the ill advised
• 33:46
  moves, the ill advised moves. Excuse me, they're still
• 33:50
  excited. They still got that edge.
• 33:53
  We don't know what's going to happen with Carson.
• 33:55
  We don't if he, you know, maybe he just keeps doing the way he
• 33:58
  is. Maybe he just keeps it like it
• 33:59
  is. And, you know, whatever happens,
• 34:01
  happens. But, you know, I just don't want
• 34:03
  him. I don't want him reeling
• 34:06
  anything in and lose. That is that that's what was
• 34:09
  what makes him so exciting right now.
• 34:12
  The other part of it is, you know, he's not with a Hendrick,
• 34:15
  he's not with a Penske, he's not with a Gibbs.
• 34:17
  You know, right now he's with Spire.
• 34:19
  And this is no disrespect to Spire, but they're not on the
• 34:22
  level as Hendrick, Gibbs and, and and Penske right now, right?
• 34:26
  And so you know how long that team stays like that before they
• 34:32
  become a constant up front runner.
• 34:35
  I don't, I, I don't want Kosovar to flounder in a bad car for a
• 34:40
  long time when he gets himself taken out of the sport or his
• 34:44
  spirit gets broken, right, Just because maybe he's not with a
• 34:48
  top tier team. Hopefully spirit can get it up
• 34:51
  there. They can do that.
• 34:52
  And, and, and, and this comes into play when you go to the
• 34:56
  plate races, Ricky, you know, the, the, they're not plates
• 34:59
  anymore. I call them plate races.
• 35:00
  Restricted horsepower, let's put it that way.
• 35:04
  When everything that equals everything up, it equals the
• 35:07
  cars up. Well, every time they have one
• 35:10
  of those deals for equal cars, guess what, that 77's up towards
• 35:13
  the front somewhere, right when he's just showing off your
• 35:16
  talent and what he's doing, he's he's up front.
• 35:19
  So then if you go back to the races where you know, it's it's
• 35:23
  you take it a little bit away from the driver to put more on
• 35:25
  the car, then, you know, he's a kind of not an also runner, but
• 35:29
  you know, not not doing what we saw the last two weeks.
• 35:32
  And there's a lot of things going on there with him, a lot
• 35:35
  of things going on with him that I want to see work out great.
• 35:38
  But I will say this, bottom line, I'm a fan.
• 35:40
  I love, I love, I love watching, you know, if he just wasn't
• 35:44
  wrecking and hitting people and all that, you know, ill advised
• 35:47
  moves, but hell, every lot, so many drivers go through this.
• 35:50
  So many have gone through. But like back in our day, the
• 35:54
  time you got in the cup, you'd already went through this,
• 35:57
  right? The time you got hired in cup,
• 35:59
  you weren't 19 or 20 years of age.
• 36:01
  You're 30 years of age to get hired to cup car.
• 36:03
  Well, you've already gone through the maturation process
• 36:06
  of wrecking and getting wrecked and going in holes and doing
• 36:09
  things you shouldn't. The time you get in cup, that's
• 36:11
  all that's history you got. You pretty much got that all
• 36:15
  figured out. And as time is going on now,
• 36:17
  we're getting younger and younger and younger guys out
• 36:19
  there and they're, they're have to learn all this stuff and the
• 36:21
  big lights on the big stage in front of everybody.
• 36:24
  And that's kind of where Carson is at right now.
• 36:27
  But you know, hopefully, hopefully, man, it, it'll, it'll
• 36:30
  work. I, I, I think, you know, I'm
• 36:32
  kind of like Kyle Petty on this deal, man.
• 36:34
  I think it's going to be a superstar.
• 36:36
  I really do. That's what I'm hoping for.
• 36:38
  I just laid out some things that kind of could hinder him a
• 36:40
  little bit and I don't want to see that happening.
• 36:43
  Yeah, No, I'm, I'm with you. I agree with you.
• 36:44
  I think he's it's going to be a star.
• 36:46
  I think the, the biggest thing beyond his God-given talent that
• 36:50
  he's got going for him is he really doesn't seem like I don't
• 36:53
  think any of it affects him. I don't think he seems to be
• 36:56
  from everything you see. I don't think he's one bit at
• 36:59
  all worried or concerned about making friends that are fellow
• 37:02
  drivers. I don't think he's I don't, and
• 37:06
  I mean, I'll, I'll admit, if it was me, I'd have a little bit of
• 37:09
  problem with that because I'm I'm somebody.
• 37:10
  I want people to like me. And if I'm around these guys, I
• 37:13
  want them to to like me, but I guess I want them to respect me
• 37:16
  and like me and all that. But that would probably be my a
• 37:20
  hindrance to me and that. Well, you don't have to.
• 37:22
  You don't have. They don't have to like you, but
• 37:24
  right? But they do have to respect.
• 37:26
  You right, they don't. Like you, no big deal, but if
• 37:29
  they don't respect you also, then you're in trouble.
• 37:31
  But they have to respect the guy that's Got Talent like that, you
• 37:34
  know, It's just the way it is. Can you think of, and maybe you
• 37:37
  can off the top of your head, but you laid out a couple
• 37:40
  scenarios of somebody that comes in hot like that, but then when
• 37:43
  they get rained in, they lose the edge.
• 37:45
  But then you said what you've seen it go the other way where
• 37:48
  somebody comes in and they they managed to kind of clean up some
• 37:52
  of the ill advised moves, but they still have that edge and
• 37:55
  and the aggressiveness that the good aggressiveness.
• 37:59
  Can you think who who would be an example of somebody?
• 38:01
  Number one, Number one standouts Ernie.
• 38:03
  Ernie Irvin. OK.
• 38:05
  Ernie Erv was #1 on that list for me.
• 38:07
  That's why. That was Ernie.
• 38:11
  Ernie is very talented, God-given talent fast.
• 38:13
  But Lord of Mercy caused a lot of trouble, right?
• 38:16
  A lot of races, cars got wrecked and he made a conscious effort.
• 38:20
  He got in front of us at a drivers meeting somewhere after
• 38:23
  he took out a bunch of cars at Talladega and apologized
• 38:26
  everybody in front of the drivers meeting.
• 38:27
  So I'm going to straighten this out.
• 38:28
  And he did to his credit, he did right?
• 38:31
  And he didn't lose a bit of fastness or that edge.
• 38:35
  He you know, he's one of those guys that when he reigned it in
• 38:38
  man, he was still just as good as he was before, right.
• 38:40
  So you know, that's where that's where host of our needs to be at
• 38:43
  some point. Yeah, well, it's going to be
• 38:46
  going to be fun to watch for sure.
• 38:49
  I don't want to leave Atlanta here without talking about at
• 38:53
  least touching on the the other races.
• 38:55
  Man, the O'Reilly series is is so much fun to watch.
• 38:59
  I really like where that series is at right now.
• 39:01
  It's kind of got its own it's own group of kind of stars, you
• 39:05
  would say. And then just enough mix of cup
• 39:09
  guys showing up every now and then to make it interesting.
• 39:13
  That's something I've harped on with that series for a long time
• 39:16
  because I just remember it when it was still the Bush Grand
• 39:19
  National Series, when you were coming up through it, when it
• 39:21
  was still a relatively new series.
• 39:23
  And what made it so cool back in those days was you had guys like
• 39:27
  yourself that that we're using it like a lot of guys or most
• 39:30
  people use it now to try to get up to the top level of Cup.
• 39:33
  But you also had guys that were really, really darn good race
• 39:36
  car drivers who I don't know if some of them ever even really
• 39:40
  trying to get the Cup. It had its own identity where it
• 39:42
  was a lot more short tracks. You'd still run what Daytona,
• 39:45
  Charlotte, Darlington, Dover, but you're also running Orange
• 39:51
  County and Pulaski and Lanier and, you know, name South Boston
• 39:58
  Hickories, on and on and on. So you had guys that were, were
• 40:02
  content being really good at, at, at those places and had
• 40:05
  their own team, could have, could afford to have their own
• 40:07
  team at that level. So you had its own group of
• 40:09
  stars, its own personality. And every now and then you
• 40:13
  sprinkle in some cup guys, mainly at some of the the larger
• 40:16
  tracks and it was just a really good mix.
• 40:19
  And I feel like what they've got going right now in the O'Reilly
• 40:21
  series is a really, really good, good mixture.
• 40:24
  They put on a great show. I felt this way last year,
• 40:26
  honestly. Then I got, we had that deal at
• 40:28
  Phoenix last year, the O'Reilly race where some, some TV
• 40:32
  stations, they took the white flag in overtime and some TV
• 40:35
  stations cut away from the fee. Well, my, my station, my station
• 40:38
  here is one of them. And I got so mad that I just
• 40:42
  thought I didn't boycott, but I the next Saturday, instead of
• 40:45
  rearranging my day to make sure I was around for that race, I
• 40:48
  was like, well, if I happen to be home, I'll watch it.
• 40:52
  So and I got mad for a little bit, but I came back.
• 40:55
  But they've got the series itself is great.
• 41:00
  Austin Hill. You got to watch him at these
• 41:02
  types of places. Course it was exciting fitness.
• 41:04
  Sheldon Creed ends up getting his first one.
• 41:07
  I didn't realize till I said on the broadcast I knew he'd
• 41:09
  finished second a lot. 15 times he'd finished second and hadn't
• 41:12
  won. So that was cool to see somebody
• 41:15
  breakthrough the broadcast booth for those O'Reilly series races
• 41:20
  is great. I mean the the call, I thought
• 41:22
  Adam Alexander, the booth call that race was was great.
• 41:25
  And don't anybody listen to this take this as a knock on any of
• 41:28
  the other broadcast, because it's not.
• 41:29
  I just I'm giving that series and that broadcast team some
• 41:32
  love because I I just thought that was a really, really it was
• 41:36
  a great broadcast. They, they got, they called the
• 41:38
  moment really well. So I'm just, I, I don't, I don't
• 41:42
  even have a question for you other than just saying I'm
• 41:44
  really enjoying watching that, that series right now.
• 41:46
  I like what they got going there.
• 41:48
  It's it's a fun, it's a good, it's I tell you what, what made
• 41:52
  me what I couldn't stand was about 20 years ago, and I don't
• 41:55
  fault anybody for doing it. But where you had guys that were
• 41:59
  competing full time in both cups cup series.
• 42:02
  And I guess at that time it was probably nationwide.
• 42:04
  Whatever form of it was then, I couldn't stand that.
• 42:09
  But what they've got right now, I really, really like the the
• 42:13
  mixture in the formula they got. So just what are your thoughts
• 42:16
  on that series? When I, when I, when I came
• 42:17
  through the Bush series, excuse me, the majority of the folks
• 42:22
  there were making their living at that.
• 42:24
  They didn't have aspirations of going on the Cup.
• 42:26
  You know, my, my reason for being in Bush was trying to get
• 42:30
  into cup racing. That was that way.
• 42:32
  And as time evolved after me, then it started going another
• 42:36
  way. We started getting more and more
• 42:37
  of the guys coming in, just making that a stepping stone
• 42:40
  into cup. But you know, things evolve and
• 42:44
  things change. But like right now, you're
• 42:45
  right. I mean, they got a good deal
• 42:46
  going on the that race, that particular race at Atlanta, Echo
• 42:53
  Car, Echo Park Speedway, you know the couple things about
• 42:57
  that. I, I go back to Austin hill #1
• 43:01
  ill advised block going into three.
• 43:02
  It wasn't going to happen, right?
• 43:04
  Chance staying had it coming. I mean he was coming so fast.
• 43:08
  He'll pulls down on him. No way that's going to work.
• 43:11
  You know, at that point, Hills just got to stay in his lane and
• 43:15
  take the consequences of probably losing the race coming
• 43:19
  down. You're going to do if you do
• 43:20
  that, you're going to get rid. What amazed me, man, he got that
• 43:23
  thing crossed up and went went in the flat.
• 43:25
  He was able to turn the thing back left real quick and never
• 43:27
  spun it out. He even said that I think the
• 43:29
  post race. Can you how about that save?
• 43:31
  And I'm like, yeah, I give you that all.
• 43:33
  Should I give you that then? I didn't.
• 43:34
  Blame him. I didn't blame him for touting
• 43:36
  that because I thought that, golly, I said it live, me and my
• 43:39
  wife Laura Watson. And I was like, I went and he
• 43:41
  saved it. Like, I, I mean, I was just
• 43:43
  waiting for that. I mean, I was getting ready.
• 43:45
  I was waiting for the viciousness to happen of either
• 43:49
  or if he didn't get T-bone, T-bone in the wall himself.
• 43:54
  So that was an incredible save, yeah.
• 43:57
  Another thing about him, you know he when Sheldon Creed talk
• 44:01
  about Sheldon Creed, kudos to him, by the way, I I didn't know
• 44:04
  15 seconds, but I knew he'd never won.
• 44:06
  I didn't know he'd finished second how many times?
• 44:08
  I knew he'd finished second a lot, but he'd never won a race.
• 44:11
  And then when when he departed RCR, man, that was a bad deal.
• 44:14
  You know, if you remember Petrie was jumping on him at
• 44:16
  Martinsville and about something the last lap.
• 44:20
  And then, you know, Austin Hill was mouth and Sheldon Creed.
• 44:23
  I'll be glad when he's not my partner and our teammate
• 44:26
  anymore. And you know, what was so
• 44:29
  freaking cool when Victor Lane there was there was Austin Hill
• 44:32
  coming to Victor Lane, pouring beer on the boy, hugging him,
• 44:35
  high fiving him and truly happy for the boy's success.
• 44:38
  So, you know, that tells everybody, right?
• 44:40
  They made-up. I, I saw some post on social
• 44:42
  media since that race. I thought that two were
• 44:44
  fighting. I thought they were fighting,
• 44:46
  you know, and of course that series and those things don't
• 44:48
  get covered the way the cup deal does.
• 44:50
  So people don't really know what's going on.
• 44:52
  So I don't really know other than they evidently they patched
• 44:54
  it up and that was good to see. So I didn't know that either.
• 44:58
  I'm like you, I watch, I watch the race every week.
• 45:00
  I don't keep up with anything beyond the race itself.
• 45:04
  I'm not keeping up with a lot of the other stuff, like to the
• 45:06
  level that I am with the with the Cup series per SE.
• 45:10
  So I didn't realize until afterward that I think they said
• 45:14
  it on the broadcast. And then I saw Austin Hill's
• 45:16
  post he put on social media like that after that whole deal.
• 45:20
  And that was a bad deal. Martinsville when, when Sheldon
• 45:23
  was leaving RCR. I mean, there were definitely a
• 45:25
  lot of people mad at each other over that deal, that the two of
• 45:28
  them, Austin Hill and Sheldon Creed, had become friends since
• 45:30
  then and become good friends then.
• 45:32
  And Austin posted a picture of the two of them.
• 45:36
  It looked like a summertime pool party where they were both
• 45:39
  wearing like just some some, some very American outfits,
• 45:43
  let's say. And I had a whole lot of beer
• 45:45
  around. And it was a funny, funny
• 45:46
  picture, but it was kind of. But Austin's post was nice and
• 45:50
  just talking about how happy he was for Sheldon.
• 45:52
  So it was that was that was very cool to see it.
• 45:55
  I was just like you. I did not realize they had
• 45:57
  patched thing not only patched things up, but apparently have
• 45:59
  become very good friends since all that.
• 46:02
  So that was another nice thing. Whenever you see a guy like that
• 46:05
  get his first win. And I mean, I could even go back
• 46:10
  to your first win at Dover in 87.
• 46:12
  I could, I could play right now the broadcast of the opening of
• 46:16
  the broadcast very next week at Martinsville with Jerry Punch
• 46:18
  talking about this, how if you can't win, it's always good when
• 46:24
  you see one of your fellow competitors that you that you
• 46:26
  like a lot, that you respect a lot, get there first when and to
• 46:31
  see his fellow competitors all kind of, you know, giving him
• 46:34
  thumbs up and to see him happy for him.
• 46:36
  It's like, OK, that kind of tells you a little bit about
• 46:40
  how, how his competitors view him that they they, they like
• 46:43
  him and they, that he has their respect.
• 46:45
  So yeah, it was just it was it was another great race for that
• 46:49
  series. It's a it's a fun, fun series to
• 46:51
  watch right now. And yeah, well, and we'll touch
• 46:58
  on the trucks real quick. Just Atlanta just had three
• 47:00
  great races this week and Kyle Busch wins.
• 47:02
  Carson Hosavar helps him to the win.
• 47:05
  I thought that was really cool. Just another fun race.
• 47:09
  It's cool to see Kyle Busch like Brexton, his son runs out there,
• 47:12
  like to see, you know, the family side of it.
• 47:14
  That's another thing you think about 20 years ago, Kyle Busch
• 47:17
  20 years ago and now you see him out there as a as kind of a dad
• 47:21
  and all that. That was that was really cool.
• 47:23
  Aspire to to to win that and Hosovar being a good teammate
• 47:28
  and wing man in that situation I thought was.
• 47:30
  Yeah, he yeah, yeah, he was. He was good on that.
• 47:33
  Nobody had any reason to fuss about hosting far in the truck
• 47:35
  race. I mean, he helped, he helped his
• 47:37
  teammate win the race, right. And and it's good.
• 47:43
  It's, I tell you, no little subject.
• 47:46
  But NASCAR, we need NASCAR needs a couple things to happen.
• 47:51
  If it be, it would be cool. NASCAR needs Kyle Busch winning.
• 47:57
  Yeah. NASCAR needs Chase Elliott
• 48:00
  winning again, right? If somehow another you can
• 48:04
  magically do a formula in, in those two guys, you know, start
• 48:07
  winning again, that would be that would be it would be good
• 48:11
  for a sport right now. You know, and you got a little
• 48:14
  taste of that little flavor of that with Kyle and Victor Lane
• 48:18
  in that truck race. Like, man, I'm sitting there
• 48:20
  thinking, man, you know, he needs to be winning on Sunday
• 48:23
  more, you know, are back to winning these old ways.
• 48:26
  It's just a a good Little Mix. But I tell you, you know,
• 48:30
  everybody wants to win and cut, but it's very, very hard to do.
• 48:33
  Very hard to do. It is.
• 48:36
  It'll be interesting to see. We got our first Rd. course of
• 48:39
  the year. So I think we go to a road
• 48:40
  course now in 2026. The story then, I don't care
• 48:44
  which row, of course it is. The story is can anybody beat
• 48:46
  SVG? And I actually, you know,
• 48:49
  Richard Petty was talking about, he was quoted recently talking
• 48:52
  about how we don't have. Oh, what was the expression?
• 48:56
  He used somebody to chase like a yeah, you have like a dominant
• 49:01
  force. Yeah.
• 49:02
  And I. Yeah.
• 49:03
  I don't know. I don't think it's the worst
• 49:04
  thing if you have if you have a little bit more parody as
• 49:07
  opposed to somebody just dominating the whole series.
• 49:10
  But I do feel like we have a little bit of it, at least with
• 49:13
  the road courses. And then you got a guy that like
• 49:15
  seems unbeatable, which to me actually makes it intriguing.
• 49:20
  You go into these Rd. courses like, well, can anybody beat
• 49:23
  this guy? Everybody's touting Connor
• 49:25
  Zilich and he's apparently he's a very, very good Rd. racer.
• 49:28
  Can he? And he's his teammate.
• 49:29
  So, you know, he's got the same equipment.
• 49:31
  Can he overcome Chase is a good Rd. racer.
• 49:34
  Then you got guys like Michael McDowell.
• 49:36
  I mean you got. Yeah, to me.
• 49:38
  That's intriguing. Do you have cuz he going to
• 49:41
  dominate because then at some point somebody will beat him,
• 49:44
  right? Somebody's going to beat him and
• 49:45
  it'll be that much more of an accomplishment that they beat
• 49:49
  him. So I don't know that I want a
• 49:51
  full year of like what the king was laying out, but I feel like
• 49:54
  we kind of have a little bit of that with the road courses that
• 49:56
  you got somebody it don't Matt. Nothing else that's happened.
• 49:59
  It don't matter what else is going on.
• 50:01
  Nothing else matters. You go into this type of track,
• 50:04
  there is one guy everybody's chasing and that, at least for
• 50:08
  these few races, is interesting to me.
• 50:10
  I don't know what. Do you think?
• 50:12
  Yeah, no, I agree with that. Disagree 100%.
• 50:15
  He in a shout out and you said his name is Ellie.
• 50:18
  Shout out to that dude, man. The two races in these draft
• 50:21
  races, you know, that car has been doing that.
• 50:24
  That dude's been doing well, I think.
• 50:26
  What's he frigging 19 years old, which is ridiculous.
• 50:29
  And, and, and I saw him make a few moves at Daytona and
• 50:34
  Atlanta. I'm like, oh boy, okay, he's
• 50:37
  figuring this thing out here, right?
• 50:39
  I'm like this this guy is the real deal.
• 50:42
  And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me a bit seem go to to
• 50:46
  where are we going? Coda Is that what it's called
• 50:48
  Coda Coda do do real well there again, you know, 'cause he he
• 50:53
  does. He did real well last year at
• 50:54
  those races. So, you know, excited to see,
• 50:56
  excited to see what happens with.
• 50:58
  Him Speaking of SVGI, actually at one point last night's race
• 51:02
  in Atlanta or at Echo Park late, he snuck up in there in like top
• 51:06
  five, top ten and I even said out loud, like where does Fiji
• 51:09
  come from? Like every now and then he if he
• 51:12
  if a guy like that's making improvements on and some places
• 51:14
  like that, that's another interesting thing to.
• 51:16
  He stuck in there in Daytona time or two also during the
• 51:19
  race, he was like there there's a road racer up in here mixing
• 51:22
  up these guys, right? You know, I know that, I know
• 51:26
  that the track house, I know they've got a lot of, they've
• 51:30
  got a lot of well, they got a lot of support for him, but they
• 51:34
  they have a lot of they really want him to do good and they
• 51:37
  think he will OK that that that whole team, the owner, they they
• 51:40
  think he's got a lot of potential once he gets this
• 51:43
  thing figured out and we'll see who knows all.
• 51:46
  Right. I wanted to, I saw this today on
• 51:48
  on social media. It's kind of a debate that some
• 51:50
  folks are having. And of course we talked so much
• 51:52
  about the point system in the offseason.
• 51:55
  And then of course NASCAR made the change, which we agreed with
• 51:58
  and a lot of people agreed with. So I saw some folks debating
• 52:01
  this today and I wanted to get your take on it.
• 52:03
  And I'll, I'll, I'll tell you my take first and then you can, you
• 52:06
  can say what yours is, how the question or the topic is how
• 52:10
  early should we actually start paying attention to the point
• 52:15
  standings and should that be a major talking point as we're
• 52:19
  going to the race tracker, we're broadcasting these races and
• 52:22
  talking about these races each week.
• 52:23
  Now here's my take on it. And I am a, I'm a baseball guy.
• 52:28
  I work in baseball, love baseball.
• 52:30
  So I baseball, I love NASCAR, but baseball is just my #1
• 52:34
  sport. That's what's consumed a lot of
• 52:36
  my life and it's my career and what I love.
• 52:40
  This is why I tell folks, obviously if you don't watch
• 52:42
  baseball, the regular season, 6 months long, you pretty much
• 52:45
  playing a game every day. You play 162 games in a season.
• 52:48
  It's it's a long season. When in your division is is key.
• 52:54
  That's the first step. You can get a wild card to go to
• 52:57
  the playoffs, but when in your divisions, what you want to do
• 53:00
  to get into the playoffs, the season starts basically, let's
• 53:04
  call it you run an April 1st to about October 1st pretty much
• 53:07
  give or take a few days. That's the six month window.
• 53:11
  I don't even really look. I don't even look at the
• 53:15
  standings. So that would be baseball's
• 53:17
  equivalent of of a point system. I don't even start looking till
• 53:22
  maybe late May and I really, really don't honest to God start
• 53:27
  actually checking it regularly until June.
• 53:30
  So and tore about a good, good third of the way into the
• 53:37
  season, maybe even a little bit beyond that.
• 53:40
  Do I actually really start paying attention to the
• 53:42
  division? Because I've seen on both sides
• 53:46
  of it. I've seen my team, the Braves,
• 53:47
  I've seen us on both sides of it over my many years as a as a
• 53:50
  baseball fan. I've seen us be down by
• 53:54
  seemingly insurmountable deficit and come back and win the
• 53:57
  division and I've seen us let some leads slip away.
• 54:02
  So all that to say, I'm not a week into the season or two
• 54:05
  weeks into a six month season and am I sitting there looking
• 54:08
  at the standings? Because it to me it just doesn't
• 54:10
  matter yet. So point standings, I'm anxious
• 54:14
  to see how it all works out. I don't envision myself looking
• 54:16
  at the NASCAR points until we're well into the season.
• 54:20
  So what do you think? When When would you actually
• 54:23
  start looking? As a competitor, you start at
• 54:27
  Daytona right inside the garage. You're looking at it there, but
• 54:31
  it's not really relevant for a long time.
• 54:36
  The problem with here's the problem we got, we got to break
• 54:38
  the habit of the media. We're so ingrained every week
• 54:42
  last few years about the points, the points that is a chase when
• 54:47
  you're in and all that. It it, it, it's kind of like old
• 54:50
  habit with the guy, with the press guys.
• 54:52
  And I get it, I understand it. But the points don't even really
• 54:55
  need to be talked about right now.
• 54:57
  They don't even be discussed. They don't need to be talked
• 54:59
  about is it's not it's not of relevance right now.
• 55:03
  They need to be talking about the actual race in the winner of
• 55:07
  the race and what happened in the race that, you know, give
• 55:10
  that 99.9% of all the content. Leave that little tiny bit
• 55:14
  there. All he's, he's 19th in points,
• 55:16
  by the way, right, 38 out of first or whatever that is.
• 55:21
  You know, I just, I just don't want, I don't want any.
• 55:24
  I don't, I, I was just so, so frustrated last few years with
• 55:29
  every frigging week. That's all we talked about.
• 55:31
  We talked about it during the the broadcast.
• 55:34
  The broadcasters will talk about it continually all day long,
• 55:37
  right? Well, he's going to win the
• 55:38
  chase against five points. He's going to do this that
• 55:40
  points this and doing it in points, points point I.
• 55:43
  It was very frustrating for me as a fan, I guess you say to sit
• 55:49
  and watch that stuff, right. And when we made this change,
• 55:52
  I'm like, thankfully, good Lord, we ain't going to listen to that
• 55:55
  all the time now. And I noticed they're they're
• 55:58
  getting away from a little bit. Not as much as I'd like for him
• 56:00
  to it just it just it doesn't need to be discussed right now.
• 56:04
  It really doesn't it. What needs to be discussed is
• 56:06
  that driver, that driver, host of our right Shreddick Wallace.
• 56:12
  All that stuff is what needs to be talked about, not the points.
• 56:14
  Right now, it's too way, way, way too early to to put any
• 56:18
  relevance into what's going on with the points.
• 56:19
  It's just it's just way too early, you know, and of course
• 56:22
  you finish last or finish your first.
• 56:24
  It feels good as a competitor. The competitors know, right?
• 56:27
  The teams, they all know what they're doing.
• 56:29
  They know what's going on with the points.
• 56:30
  They know where they're at, where they got to make up points
• 56:32
  and all that stuff. But it's not something that we
• 56:34
  need to continue to be talking about every week.
• 56:36
  And I, and again, well, that was one of my hopes with going with
• 56:40
  the new deal this year that we wouldn't have to listen to that
• 56:42
  crap by every, every 5 minutes of every broadcast and all week
• 56:45
  long on social media. So, you know, that's the way it
• 56:48
  is. I think that's something I'll
• 56:49
  I'll draw Atlanta Braves comparison.
• 56:52
  So our Hall of Fame manager Bobby Cox and then his one of
• 56:55
  his successors and protegees, Brian Snitker, who was our
• 56:58
  manager for the last decade and of course he just retired.
• 57:00
  But one of their mantras that they preached was, you know, you
• 57:05
  play in baseball, you play series of three games, right?
• 57:07
  You play a team for three games and you move on to the next
• 57:10
  series for another three games. Your goal is each day, show up,
• 57:14
  win that day, but win series. That's a big thing.
• 57:17
  Let's look, we got three games against whoever the New York
• 57:19
  Mets this weekend. Win, take two out of three.
• 57:22
  And if you do that enough throughout the season, you're
• 57:24
  going to look at the standings and go, all right, we're right
• 57:26
  where we need to be. And of course you get down to it
• 57:29
  like when it's getting close, if you're in a close race, like
• 57:31
  yeah, of course you're looking at and you know the math, you
• 57:33
  know what you need to win. But the point is if you're going
• 57:36
  about your business and doing what you need to do along the
• 57:39
  way, then that standings there will be you'll be where you
• 57:42
  want, you'll be right in the mix of where you want to be if
• 57:44
  you're doing your job that you should be doing and the bounces
• 57:48
  and the, you know, fall your way along the way.
• 57:49
  So I completely, I would look at it this way.
• 57:53
  Like we've sat here and talked almost an hour and I only
• 57:56
  brought up the point subject just because I thought I saw it
• 57:58
  was a little debate online at no point yesterday or last week
• 58:03
  watching Daytona that I once think about points.
• 58:06
  And then that was a freeing. It was actually a nice freeing
• 58:10
  thought because I've been thinking about we should be
• 58:13
  talking about Tyler Reddick winning the first two races,
• 58:15
  Michael Jordan being on TV and being now like a great
• 58:19
  ambassador for the sport. We're talking about Bubba being
• 58:22
  so close, talking about host of our just doing all the things
• 58:26
  he's doing and the moves he's making.
• 58:28
  That's that's what you need to be talking about week in and
• 58:31
  week out. And then they'll come a time
• 58:33
  when the points thing gets interesting and becomes a
• 58:36
  legitimate talking point. You know, when you get later in
• 58:39
  the year, because I remember that even back in your day,
• 58:41
  especially you take a like a like greatest points race of all
• 58:44
  time, right, 92. They'll come a time where it's
• 58:47
  like, all right, we're really checking that now and we're
• 58:49
  focusing on all right, if this is what needs to happen this
• 58:51
  week and and that's legit, you should be doing it then as a fan
• 58:55
  or broadcast. But two weeks in, ain't it if
• 58:58
  you can't find if you can't find anything to talk about these
• 59:02
  first two races that you feel like you have to talk about
• 59:05
  points and you're just not looking hard enough or you're
• 59:07
  programmed, your mind is 2 programs.
• 59:09
  It's just. A It's just a habit right now
• 59:12
  because they're going to have to slowly get out of it.
• 59:14
  I think they will. I think, yeah.
• 59:16
  I think they will. Well, there's a whole bunch of
• 59:18
  others. There's other stuff going on,
• 59:19
  but we've, I think we've covered a lot of a lot of meaningful
• 59:22
  stuff. Well, wait a minute.
• 59:23
  I do have one more, one or two more little things here.
• 59:27
  Keelan Harvick, 13 years old, signed to a development deal by
• 59:30
  Toyota Racing. I was thinking about what I was
• 59:32
  doing at 13 and I don't know that anybody would have signed
• 59:36
  me to a development deal of anything.
• 59:39
  I think I got, I think you were racing for Hooters a year.
• 59:41
  I turned 13 and I think I got my first pit crew uniform.
• 59:44
  I didn't do anything, but I had a uniform.
• 59:47
  So I I saw that and I went turn man.
• 59:51
  He's he's, he's Toyota. Kind of surprised me.
• 59:53
  I figured to me like that seemed like a Hendrick, Rick Hendrick
• 59:57
  special. Yeah, it seemed like another
• 59:59
  should have been another Chase Alec, Rick Hendrick D All right,
• 1:00:02
  Yeah. That it doesn't surprise me that
• 1:00:04
  they signed him. It surprised me a little bit
• 1:00:07
  that Toyota signed him, you know, just, you know, you would
• 1:00:10
  think from the, the, the his daddy's relationships over the
• 1:00:15
  years, but. You know, those people are after
• 1:00:17
  them. They after them young now.
• 1:00:18
  So, you know, kudos to kudos to the Harvick family and I'm all
• 1:00:23
  for John Paul. John Paul is he's a little guy's
• 1:00:26
  granddaddy, right? That we don't longer have that
• 1:00:31
  used to race against the Bush series.
• 1:00:33
  Lot of respect for John Paul, but that's his granddaddy.
• 1:00:36
  Said it'd be cool. John Paul Linville, right?
• 1:00:39
  Delana's dad. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:00:42
  Didn't John Paul was he? He was mainly #62 right?
• 1:00:46
  Yeah. That's where the, that's how he
• 1:00:47
  gets that number. He runs 62.
• 1:00:49
  That's from his his granddaddy, yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Which is a cool deal. That's.
• 1:00:53
  And as he comes along, he starts winning and becomes the next
• 1:00:56
  superstar. Will, Will everybody, the whole
• 1:00:58
  world will probably learn about John Paul.
• 1:01:00
  OK, When that, when that all happens, which will be really
• 1:01:03
  cool. That'd be a very It will.
• 1:01:05
  It will. That then it'll be interesting
• 1:01:09
  to see the last thing on my list was Chris Gay part being sued by
• 1:01:14
  Gibbs and then shortly thereafter being officially
• 1:01:18
  announced by Spire hire there. So I was I kind of I don't know
• 1:01:23
  I'm laughing, but I kind of looked at them like it'll be
• 1:01:25
  kind of nice to follow along with a NASCAR lawsuit where it
• 1:01:28
  doesn't feel like the entire balance of the sport or the
• 1:01:30
  entire sport is hanging in the ballast of the outcome.
• 1:01:33
  This is just going to kind of be, well, we'll just see what
• 1:01:35
  comes out and what shakes out doesn't affect me personally.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah, we'll just see how how it works out.
• 1:01:40
  So that'll just be a fun little sideshow to watch, I think.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah, I'd say the skateboard don't feel that.
• 1:01:46
  Way right, but you know that deal Golly, when you when you
• 1:01:52
  when you we all read the complaint.
• 1:01:55
  You know from Gibbs out everybody read that you're like,
• 1:01:57
  oh, OK, this isn't good. But then we saw his his counter
• 1:02:02
  complaint right. We're like, huh, all right,
• 1:02:06
  baby, this is not all here the way we think it is, OK, I don't
• 1:02:09
  care what you do, man. If you're in business, you're in
• 1:02:11
  a business. That's why they have non
• 1:02:12
  complete called Don compete clauses and so many, so many
• 1:02:16
  businesses, right? Heck, I've had a couple of that
• 1:02:19
  been involved in some of those things.
• 1:02:20
  And you know, you can't unlearn what you've learned.
• 1:02:25
  You know, whatever, whatever that dude's got in his mind and
• 1:02:28
  his brain that he recalls, remembers or maybe went home and
• 1:02:32
  wrote down notes, I don't know, he kept notes for himself or
• 1:02:34
  whatever. You can't, you can't keep him
• 1:02:37
  from using that stuff. But the deal they got him on,
• 1:02:40
  you know, was supposed to be downloaded using the Gibbs
• 1:02:43
  hardware and downloaded his hardware direct and all that.
• 1:02:46
  He says it didn't happen. He says it did, but you know,
• 1:02:51
  that's one of the things in our sport that that's a tough deal,
• 1:02:54
  man, but it's gone on since the beginning.
• 1:02:56
  You know, if you got a crew chief and man, y'all hauling
• 1:02:59
  butt and somebody comes along boatload of money, guess what?
• 1:03:02
  That crew chief is going to go for that boatload of money and
• 1:03:04
  take all his knowledge with him, you know, and that's always
• 1:03:07
  going on that way. And then they come out, they
• 1:03:09
  come up with the non compete clauses that everybody signs,
• 1:03:12
  you know, and you can't. All that means is you can't go
• 1:03:14
  to work for a competitor for a certain amount of time, right?
• 1:03:17
  And that goes on in business all the time, not just raising, but
• 1:03:20
  business, you know, but I don't know it's going to be I hate it
• 1:03:24
  from I hate it honestly. You know, I hate it from both
• 1:03:26
  parties. I know both parties are a little
• 1:03:28
  bit and they're they're both good people, both sides, real
• 1:03:31
  good people. And for that to happen, you
• 1:03:33
  know, you got the kind of answers, a lot of questions
• 1:03:35
  because nobody can get an answer out of anybody.
• 1:03:38
  What happened in back in November, December when you
• 1:03:40
  left, hell, couldn't nobody find out anything.
• 1:03:43
  And this, this here explains why, man, they're all dealing
• 1:03:46
  with lawyers and keeping their mouth shut to try to get to try
• 1:03:49
  to get to this point, you know, so hopefully those guys will get
• 1:03:53
  it resolved and settled and everybody can go about their
• 1:03:55
  business. Yeah, divorces are just, they're
• 1:03:58
  just messy sometimes. That's just that's messy.
• 1:04:01
  I did see, I did say I did. It was really funny when Danny
• 1:04:05
  Hamlin quote, like he quoted quote tweeted the story when it
• 1:04:09
  broke. And he just he just used that
• 1:04:12
  GIF of Kenny Wallace of him doing that guy.
• 1:04:15
  Just. I got such a kick out of it.
• 1:04:17
  I was like, God, that was funny. That was so funny.
• 1:04:19
  So yeah, so it's man, we're two weeks into the season and there
• 1:04:24
  is not a shortage of stuff to talk about and be entertained by
• 1:04:27
  and read about and, and now we're going to CODA this weekend
• 1:04:31
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:36
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