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Divisive Politics and Personal Values · TMI

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  Speaker 1: I'm Tamika d.
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  Speaker 2: Mallory and the ship Boy my Son in general.
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  Speaker 1: Name New Energy. What's going on with my son, Lennon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired. You know, you start, you start. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a long weekend.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I've been really back into my workout lately.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so that's been a thing like when you
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  Speaker 3: get older, Like I remember, I used to just be
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  Speaker 3: in the gym for hours and just being able to
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  Speaker 3: do a lot of things and after about thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Like it don't like it ain't just snap back.
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  Speaker 3: But you know that you know, you know it's working,
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  Speaker 3: but it takes a lot more work to do it.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I've been my body is sore, but
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  Speaker 3: it's working through that soreness and getting that back. And
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  Speaker 3: then you know, because my little brother shout out to
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  Speaker 3: my little brother Paul, like he works out every day
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  Speaker 3: and he's like on Instagram he got a six pack,
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  Speaker 3: and I'd be like, I got him working out, Like
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  Speaker 3: I just can't be the old big brother that's with
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  Speaker 3: the dad bot. I just can't. That's not gonna work
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  Speaker 3: out for me. So every time I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 3: about to be lazy, I go look at his page
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  Speaker 3: and be like, yeah, he have to eat under fifty
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  Speaker 3: pull ups. He's showing off his six pack. So let
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  Speaker 3: me get my little, my little self in the gym
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  Speaker 3: and just get back to what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, I've been working out through my sickness.
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  Speaker 1: You know, since last.
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  Speaker 4: Week I had a terrible, terrible cold that really knocked
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  Speaker 4: me down seriously, like wow, these colds, I mean, this
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  Speaker 4: is this was a this was a different type of cold.
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  Speaker 4: I've had some colds before, but this one was like
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  Speaker 4: really really bad. I was pretty sure I might have
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  Speaker 4: to like go to a doctor at some point, but
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have to. And you know, I decided to
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  Speaker 4: go ahead and work out twice since I felt sick.
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  Speaker 4: The first day I got sick, I worked out, and
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  Speaker 4: maybe four or five days later I did it again.
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  Speaker 4: I was a little slow, I had to stop a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times, but I think it was like really
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  Speaker 4: good for me to just continue to push forward. So
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  Speaker 4: you're right, when as we get older, our physical is
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  Speaker 4: not matched up with our minds because we think we're
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  Speaker 4: still twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you still got you know.
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  Speaker 3: I remember I was getting on a bar doing thirty
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  Speaker 3: and forty a clip and doing ten and fifteen and
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  Speaker 3: still having energy. I mean it's well, when you get
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  Speaker 3: on a bar and you do the amount of pull ups,
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  Speaker 3: if you do thirty in a row, there's one clip
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  Speaker 3: and you're thirty again, it's another clip. So I was
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  Speaker 3: doing that ten times, you know, on my heydays. So
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  Speaker 3: now when you go up there and you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this little fifteen gonna at the work, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: we ain't gonna do ten sets, We're gonna do five
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  Speaker 3: or six cents, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So it's different.
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  Speaker 3: But just that the fact that you do it, it
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  Speaker 3: just maintains the healthiness, you know. And I'm being intermediate fast.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really eat during the daytime. I start eating
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  Speaker 3: probably around three or four and eat about a meal
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  Speaker 3: and a half, you know, just trying to stay healthy.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, because healthy is wish I could say that
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  Speaker 4: I don't really eat in the morning, but I eat
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  Speaker 4: throughout the day. I had stuff in at twelve thirty today.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Stuffing is Stuffing is one of those meals that's gonna
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  Speaker 3: put some it's gonna put some pals on.
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  Speaker 4: You, because well, I feel like the stuffing has turkey
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  Speaker 4: in it, and I feel like if I only eat
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  Speaker 4: that when it's a whole meal, I get it every Sunday,
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  Speaker 4: I don't even eat.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't eat stuffing, I mean ate. I haven't ate
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  Speaker 3: stuffing or rice in a long time. I try to
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  Speaker 3: stay away from it.
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  Speaker 1: You try, you try, you better than me. I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I eat a lot of vegetables, and.
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  Speaker 1: Me and old Linda sar what we can eat.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, y'all, y'all throw down, like y'all go to
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  Speaker 3: the restaurant and ordered three meals.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do that as much as I used to.
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  Speaker 2: You still do it. I don't know what as much
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  Speaker 2: as you used to.
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  Speaker 1: But I know I used to do it all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't about eating all of the stuff, but
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  Speaker 4: it was just like I want to taste this and
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  Speaker 4: I want to taste that.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't do that anymore.
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  Speaker 4: So, not because I don't want to be wasteful, but
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  Speaker 4: also I don't know. My taste buds are not exactly
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  Speaker 4: as they were, so I'm finding out some new things.
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  Speaker 4: I tell you, it is something to be said about
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  Speaker 4: when you visualize certain types of foods and then you
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  Speaker 4: try to go eat it. It's something like I used
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  Speaker 4: to love to eat fish with the head on, Like
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  Speaker 4: that is a thing for me. I love me a
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  Speaker 4: good piece of any type of prepared I don't like
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  Speaker 4: blacken food, but I like all types of things, whether
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  Speaker 4: it be you know, broiled or fried or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Fish with a head on.
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  Speaker 4: Now, when I see the head it's something about looking
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  Speaker 4: in the eyes. I was watching the show and the
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  Speaker 4: fish was doing something and then eating stuff and doing whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't know if I can
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  Speaker 4: continue to eat it this way because as after the
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  Speaker 4: show then when I was like putting fork to mouth
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  Speaker 4: and the fish it was on, I just caught a
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  Speaker 4: glimp glimpse of it and was like, so that's just
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  Speaker 4: something that happened to me early in life. It's just
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  Speaker 4: like the same thing with being on a plane. I
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  Speaker 4: was fine, I could fly in that window seat. That
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  Speaker 4: was my favorite place to be in a window seat.
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  Speaker 4: Just go to sleep, doesn't matter where on the plane.
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  Speaker 4: I just was glad to get on, glad to lay
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  Speaker 4: down or sit down. Now gotta have an aisle seat,
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  Speaker 4: and that all happened to me as I got older.
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  Speaker 4: So you definitely change as you get, you know, to
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  Speaker 4: your oldie years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a reality. We definitely evolve and we grow,
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  Speaker 3: but your little bones stuck getting little different in your
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  Speaker 3: mind study.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's evolving, evolution.
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  Speaker 4: Or devolving dissolve. I don't think, no, devolving, that's a word,
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  Speaker 4: a word.
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  Speaker 3: It's devolving. I don't never think I heard it. I
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  Speaker 3: heard of dissolved. I never heard of divault.
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  Speaker 1: Let me look it up and see.
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  Speaker 4: I think devolve, but not devolution.
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  Speaker 1: No, I was trying to make the point. Maybe it's not. No.
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  Speaker 4: Devolving is definitely a word, and what does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: Going down?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just making sure because I never.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see.
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  Speaker 4: Let me see, let me see, let me see. Is
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  Speaker 4: devolve a word? Yes, Devolve is a word. It means
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  Speaker 4: to transfer a delegate power, responsibilities, or rights to a
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  Speaker 4: lower level.
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  Speaker 1: It means going downwards.
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  Speaker 2: I know a little bit of word words.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be like, what in the world I have to
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  Speaker 4: look up words. I don't have a problem with that
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  Speaker 4: at all. I used to be like, oh, it made
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  Speaker 4: me feel inferior, but now I just be like, let
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  Speaker 4: me go look and see.
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  Speaker 2: The only question dumb question is the one you don't ask.
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  Speaker 4: I guess it's a lot of dumb questions out here.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, my thought of the day today. You know,
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  Speaker 4: in Louisiana, they recently roll back the tax credit for
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  Speaker 4: film and television production companies.
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  Speaker 1: So when people in the past.
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  Speaker 4: You could in certain states, if you bring an entire
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  Speaker 4: production to a city, the incentive is to give you
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  Speaker 4: a tax credit. And fifty has an entire studio and
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  Speaker 4: like a I don't know if it is actual.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it is a building.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, he was bringing film in production for his
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  Speaker 4: show at least one maybe more than that to Louisiana,
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  Speaker 4: and the legislature there has decided to vote against that
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  Speaker 4: continuous tax credit, which to which was to the tune
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  Speaker 4: of like one hundred and fifty million dollars, so it's
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  Speaker 4: like a real big tax credit. It's funny because I
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  Speaker 4: remember watching a video of some young man from Louisiana
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  Speaker 4: who was basically saying, like old fifty cent you come here,
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  Speaker 4: and oh, okay, see I don't know, I don't you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know the yeah, so he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you come here and you don't work with the local
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  Speaker 4: community and what have you. So I remember but seeing that.
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  Speaker 4: But then just the other day there was you know,
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  Speaker 4: reports of him fifty responding to these new tax credits.
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  Speaker 1: It's this new tax credit situation.
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  Speaker 4: And I can remember distinctly hearing him say over time
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  Speaker 4: that he doesn't really do politics. Even on the breakfast club,
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  Speaker 4: I think he says something like politics scare me. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not really into politics. But that's just not true for
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  Speaker 4: any of us, because, as we often say, if you
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  Speaker 4: don't do politics, politics does you all the time? Everything
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  Speaker 4: in your life, from what you eat, from who you
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  Speaker 4: sleeping with, how you sleeping with them. You know where
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  Speaker 4: you live, what's going on with the street lights, with
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  Speaker 4: the parking, with the paved roads, everything, everything, whether you
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  Speaker 4: have clean food in your supermarkets, whether or not your
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  Speaker 4: children are being properly educated. Every single thing that we
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  Speaker 4: do every single day is political everything, right, And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I listened to him say I'm not really into the
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  Speaker 4: politics thing. But then he was responding saying like, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 4: Like first he was kind of like, well, let's see
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  Speaker 4: what happens, because obviously someone advised him that there was
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  Speaker 4: a vote coming up. Then next he you know, made
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  Speaker 4: some other comments like well wow, like oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: things happened.
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  Speaker 1: You know, things happened for a reason.
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  Speaker 4: So even though he might not have been given a
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  Speaker 4: deep political analysis of the situation, he obviously his decision
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  Speaker 4: making has been impacted by the state legislature in Louisiana
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  Speaker 4: and a decision that they've made.
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  Speaker 1: Now, yes, he had a lawyer.
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  Speaker 4: Who's white man on TV speaking about it, and the
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  Speaker 4: white man was very well versed that you know, well,
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  Speaker 4: we're looking into it. We're gonna see what direction this
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  Speaker 4: takes and how it is shaped going forward. But somebody
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  Speaker 4: on your team, whoever it is, it could be your mama,
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  Speaker 4: your sister, somebody when you are in business and when
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  Speaker 4: you're just living as a person every day has to
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  Speaker 4: be connected to and understand the politics of what's going
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  Speaker 4: on around you. It doesn't matter what level of life
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  Speaker 4: you're in, if you care about your future, if you
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  Speaker 4: are trying to invest. You know, they taught everybody's bitcoin,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, this is a big part of the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's coming back because after Trump was elected then
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  Speaker 4: you know, bitcoin shot up and you got so many
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  Speaker 4: people out there talking about whether you should invest or
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  Speaker 4: when you should have invested. But all of that is
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  Speaker 4: again connected to politics. It's all connected to politics. So
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  Speaker 4: for people out there who say I don't do politics,
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  Speaker 4: this is a very good example of a situation where
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  Speaker 4: you can just think you go into a city to
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  Speaker 4: set up shop, and by the way, it impacts the
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  Speaker 4: local community because there are people there who would have
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  Speaker 4: been able to get jobs right Because you're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: hire the whoever the lighting people, the even the cleaning
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  Speaker 4: crew to come all the way from California or New
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  Speaker 4: York City to come there to do a local job.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be looking for local people.
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  Speaker 4: And in fact, in most places, the tax credits and
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  Speaker 4: other things like the space that you're in, it is
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  Speaker 4: directly associated with you bringing local business into your studio,
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  Speaker 4: into your project. So those are jobs, those are contracts,
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  Speaker 4: and it's also proximity to opportunity because if we need
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  Speaker 4: a scene where we need a bunch of walk ins,
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  Speaker 4: or we need a bunch of people for the day,
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  Speaker 4: you're not gonna go looking for folks that's in Alabama.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to put out a call for people who
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  Speaker 4: are in the local community. So all things tied together,
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  Speaker 4: and all politics are local, and so I just thought
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  Speaker 4: that that was such a good point, that you know,
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  Speaker 4: you can't separate yourself from politics because whether and it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't I'm not saying whether your politics are conservative or
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  Speaker 4: liberal or somewhere in between. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people who have a lot of money that in their mind,
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  Speaker 4: their pocketbooks will be better under a conservative presidency or
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  Speaker 4: a conservative legislature, which in this case is not the
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  Speaker 4: situation because the Republicans are the majority in the state
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  Speaker 4: legislature of Louisiana and they still made a decision to
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  Speaker 4: cancel that tax credit. So sometimes it works in your favor.
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  Speaker 4: But a lot of people that we know that have money,
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  Speaker 4: they might be conservative with their pockets, but they're very
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  Speaker 4: liberal with their social concerns, and so they find themselves
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  Speaker 4: like in the middle of that all the time. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, hey, fifty politics matter.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think for me, right, it's just weird
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  Speaker 3: that this vote just happened right like out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty brings shreve Is in Shreveport, so he brought he
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  Speaker 3: brought a whole he brought a whole economy to Shreetport.
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  Speaker 3: Going well in one day he like he was talking
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  Speaker 3: about I heard his breakfast club interview and he was
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  Speaker 3: talking about how much revenue he raised. He showed them
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  Speaker 3: on that weekend that he could raise all this money,
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  Speaker 3: and he was saying, we did.
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  Speaker 5: And there was no violence, you know, So it's just
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  Speaker 5: weird that all of a sudden, when somebody shifts, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the culture and the economy in.
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  Speaker 2: The city, that they would just immediately vote against, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But once again, but we don't know, we don't really
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  Speaker 4: know how long this was going on.
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  Speaker 2: To me, the timing of it just seems very well.
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  Speaker 4: But he also said that you know, where where do
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  Speaker 4: you find places, especially in a city, you know, in
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  Speaker 4: a state like but a city specifically like Shreeport, where
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  Speaker 4: violence unfortunately is a norm and it shouldn't be, but
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  Speaker 4: it is. And then he also said that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in his caption where he's talking about everything happens for
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  Speaker 4: a reason, he said, and where else can you go
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  Speaker 4: that for sixteen days there's been and no violent crimes
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  Speaker 4: in a particular community, which absolutely could be attributed to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, people seeing there's something new happening.
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  Speaker 1: There's possible opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: But I wish that our brothers and sisters, especially those
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  Speaker 4: people who have a lot of money, have a lot
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  Speaker 4: of resources, would really take the time to educate themselves
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  Speaker 4: on what's going on. Fifties from queens right, and you
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  Speaker 4: have Erika Ford and others they're in queens Then he's
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  Speaker 4: from Queensland. Yeah, and then you have you know, right there,
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  Speaker 4: neighboring city, I mean neighboring borough in Brooklyn under at Mitchell.
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  Speaker 4: These places have had more than sixteen days with no shootings.
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  Speaker 4: This is not no violent crime, Like, this is not
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  Speaker 4: like a phenomenon or something that you created. It is
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  Speaker 4: to be commended, but it happens across the city whenever
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  Speaker 4: you have business professionals working alongside the anti violence community,
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  Speaker 4: like this is a thing. And we have places in
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  Speaker 4: New York where it was over one hundred days without
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  Speaker 4: anybody getting shot, without violent crime being at the level
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  Speaker 4: that it's at at this time. And it's not that
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to acknowledge the success of what he's doing,
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  Speaker 4: but he also needs to find a way to be
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  Speaker 4: more connected to those people who have been doing this
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  Speaker 4: stuff for a long time and can really show you
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  Speaker 4: models for where it's actually working.
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  Speaker 1: Because sixteen days is cool.
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  Speaker 4: But I know places that have tripled, tripled, if not quadrupled,
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  Speaker 4: that amount of times with no violent.
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  Speaker 3: Crime makes sense. But you know, I think he was
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  Speaker 3: just he wanted to show the possibility. You know, this
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  Speaker 3: is a place where he's planning to bring his business,
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  Speaker 3: and he wanted those you know, those legislators to actually
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  Speaker 3: see the people who run the town and say, look,
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  Speaker 3: we're bringing these people here. I know you a little
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  Speaker 3: scared black people coming, but it ain't no violence. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna health the economy. We're gonna bring it up.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna make this town into something big, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's unfortunate that after he decides that
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  Speaker 3: this is the place he's going to do it, that
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  Speaker 3: they decide to make these these cuts.
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  Speaker 4: So the Democrats, the Democratic legislators there, I saw in
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  Speaker 4: an article they were, you know, talking about how this
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  Speaker 4: this state needs to become more of a place that's
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  Speaker 4: friendly for people and how this vote will impact that
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  Speaker 4: because they're trying to bring business, new opportunities. They're trying
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  Speaker 4: to bring uh you know, I'm sure enlightenment and something
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  Speaker 4: fresh to their communities. But you do have legislature legislators,
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  Speaker 4: especially older ones, especially old they want to keep there,
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  Speaker 4: like keeping people poor and indistracted.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they want you to. They don't want no new people,
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  Speaker 3: especially black people. And this is just a reality. And
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  Speaker 3: we can have these conversations. People say, it's always it's race.
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  Speaker 3: We live in a racial country with race racial and
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  Speaker 3: we're race is a big factor. And to act like
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  Speaker 3: it's not.
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  Speaker 2: People do not.
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  Speaker 3: White people who have lived in communities by themselves where
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  Speaker 3: they know everybody soon Joe and that, and you've come
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  Speaker 3: to the communities and you talking about bringing a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of they don't want that. They just don't want it,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And it's just the reality of what we're
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: dealing with. So you know, hopefully despite all of this,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Fifty can figure out a way to benefit off of
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: his move and make you know, he's gonna make some money.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Fifty gonna figure out how to make some money anyway.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: But it makes me feel like I wonder because on
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: one hand, one hundred and fifty million dollars, you would
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: imagine that the people locally, the legislature, they would want
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: that because it is really truly an economic boost for
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: the community. And so if he could do it, then
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: other white folks and whomever else is in the film
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: industry could do it too. So it feels like it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: kind of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But if because we don't know when this started, it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Sounds about it sounds it sounds about white to me
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: because the reality situation is it always. This is what
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the reality is all the time. You know, they will
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: lose money rather than see us win. Just like the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: reason why I stop messing with night. They'll cut off
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a black They don't care the number two shoe on
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: this label. If you say something or do something we
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: don't like, We don't want y'all.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get you.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: You know Thise the number two shoe lebron was the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: only shoe that was ahead of him, and they got
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: rid of them. Because whatever they feel they don't want
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: you to benefit, or they feel like they got to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: put you in place, they will sacrifice money.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And people don't understand that. They'll throw they'll throw some
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: crumbs at you with the minute that they feel like
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: they have to show you or you impede in upon
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you know their space, or you come into where they
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: live at. Now it's a different thing. Make me some
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: money over here, but I don't want you to be
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: where I'm at now.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: You kid, I can't be too small, you know what
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. So those are the realities we deal on. Man,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: it brings me to a topic that I was having
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: a discussion about. We talking about all these things. We're
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: talking about politics, and we know since since the election,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: there's been a lot of division, like there's been a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: lot of people. I've seen the young girl on your page.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: I forgot what her name was, but it was very
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: deep and it made me just really understand. She just
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: was basically talking about being a black woman and just
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: like we need space, we need time. We're tired of
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: being strong. We don't have to be strong. We want
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: to enjoy life. We want this and that, and we're
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: tired of y'all saying we're resilient, you know, but we're
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: gonna enjoy ourselves.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get back to work, we're gonna do all
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: these things.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: But we realize what this moment is and don't try
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to tell us it's something else, because we realize what
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: it is. And it was just real for me just
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: listening to it. It just encompassed feelings that I know
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I've had right, so the topic that I want to know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to ask this question to our listeners,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: right because I think in this time people have join
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: the line.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: You know, politics have always been different, people have different
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: politic They always say things you don't want to talk
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: about is politics and religion in religion, And I don't
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: think prior to this time, it's been as this much
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: for me, right for you, For me, I don't.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Other people always about the party, and for me.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: It's not party because listen to me, prior to their
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: being uh, you know, Donald Trump, prior to Donald Trump
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: running for presidency, I never even just cared about party.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I just looked at the people I liked, right, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I just they just so it just so happened that
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the Democratic people like I liked. The Obama was the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: first time I ever voted like Obama made me feel.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, I want to go vote for him, you know.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: And then as we started doing this work, I started
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: getting a local and I started voting for the Bronx
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Woro president, and I started voting for the Senate, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I start voting for council people, and I started, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: hanging around. I actually started seeing the people on the
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: front line with me actually be voted into positions of power.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: And then Tasha and like, we actually seeing people that
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I know cared about the people, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: So that got me engaged in a political process. But
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: when I started seeing Trump, and I'm just not just
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: just seeing Trump, just listening to Trump, just just being
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a good judge of character, paying attention and just the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: character had just just wasn't presidential to me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It just was so divisive. It just was negative.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: It was just so negative, and I'm like, how could
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: someone like that be the president of the free world? Like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: how do we pick someone like that to represent us?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: With that much negativity and just so much divisiveness. Everything
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: about him just seemed divisive to me, you know. So
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the question that I have is should people be feeling
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: a way because if you decided that you align with
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the values of Donald Trump, that somebody says, I don't
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: even want to be friends with you, Right, Is it
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: wrong because somebody's people are Oh, people have a different
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: political view. There's nothing wrong with having a different political view.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: But I think for me, this is my personal thing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think if you aligned with Donald trup because
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you could be a Republican.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: There's Republicans, you know.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Like I told people all the time, if what was
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the guy who was running against Obama?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: What was his name?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Who are you talking about?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: The white guy mc rom If Mitt Rodney would have won,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I would have.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Been Hoederson against Obama.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if Mitt Romney would have won, I would have
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: been mad because I wanted to see Obama win. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I would there were whoever voted for Mitt Romney wouldn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: have been like, oh, you're like, I didn't see anything
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: morally wrong with Mitt Romney. I just wanted to see
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Obama waining. I wanted to see a black man in
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the office.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But I didn't. I had no moral and no.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Just complete disconnect from McK rodney to where I felt
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: like he was somebody that would against my moral compass.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But in this election, for me, it was more than
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: just an individual. It's more than a president, was more
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: than the policy. It was like we were voting for
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: the morality of America, and for you to pick someone
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: who went totally against what I stand for as a man,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: like somebody who's divisive, who disrespects women, who's been sexual,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: has sexual you know, charges against them, someone who has
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: negatively talked about everybody, especially people from black you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: origin from different countries, from the Haitians. Who's who's done
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: so many things that go against what it is that
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I represent as a man. And the people who aligned
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: with him. It shows you exactly what it is because
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you see the people who align with him, they have
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the same values that he has. And for me, it's like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: if those are values that you share though, if that's
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the type of person that you are, I don't want
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: That, right. And and I say, and I say that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to say, like people say, you know, I don't think
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that's right. I don't.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I really, I don't know if it's it's probably some,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: but I doubt there's very many Christians and atheists who
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: are really close in proximity. They probably know each other.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: They probably say, hey, what's going on? Cool with each other,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: But I doubt that they're friends and they share space
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: with each other all the time, right, And what happens
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: in life right for me, what I know is you
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: have friendships, right, and then sometimes you friends grow apart
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: because your values changed or you realize that you never
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: had the same values That's why a lot of friends
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: once they share space, like a friend start living with
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: you for one month. Right, you had a twenty year
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: friendship with this person, but you actually live in close
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: proximity with this person for one month, and they stop
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: speaking to each other forever, right, because they actually start
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to know each other. Right, Because when you start knowing
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: each other outside of just were going out to hang,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: you know, we like to drink, and we like to
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: go to the party, and you know, and only when
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: we comfortable, when you start to really know somebody and
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: you start to understand their values, you understand certain shit
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: about them, we realize that we really have nothing in common,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what this election did for me.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of people that I love, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: and some people that it's actually some people that said
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: they supported Trump, right, and the way they supported Trump,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: even though I didn't like the fact that they supported Trump,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: it didn't make me feel like our values were different
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: because they was like, well, you know, just based on this,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I just think based on the economy. I think he's
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a businessman. But they were people that the reasons and
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the things that they gravitated to, the shit that they
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: was posting the shit they were sending to me, the disrespect,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: and they fed into just the negativity of that person,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: like it aligned with their spirit, and it made me
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: feel like, I don't think we have nothing in common
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: because that's not who I am. It doesn't align with
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: anything that I think. Like, the more I'm talking to you,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the more that I feel like we don't even need
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: to talk again.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And and I'm fine with that, you know.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: So what I want to know isoud should people feel
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: like is wrong? Because I've just realized that the values
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: that you have and the values that I have just
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: don't line and I want to separate myself from you.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Or is it okay? Like, like, what do you mean?
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Is it that way?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Is it okay to feel that way? Like? Because because
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: people make it seem like I've been on it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, people shouldn't be you know, you shouldn't feel like
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you're attacking somebody because their political views. This, your vote
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: is your vote and this and you're one hundred percent right,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Your vote is your vote. When you make a decision,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: people have the right to feel how they feel about
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the choice that you make. Right, It's certain things that's
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: no braining for me like I come. You know, I
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: grew up in the streets, you know, even though I've
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: evolved from the streets. But if you're a man and
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you decide to take an action in the streets, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you get caught up, and you decide that you're gonna
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: cooperate with the police because you don't want to deal
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: with your consequences of your acts, but you want to
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: make sure that somebody else deals with those consequences. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: don't want to have anything to do with you, right,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: even though I'm not in it, but I understand that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you morally or too weak to stand with your own
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: consequences of your own actions. So I can make a decision.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I don't want nothing to do with you. And I
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: think in this instance, for me, it's a lot of
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: people that I've seen in a different light that I
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: was cool with, or we had relationships and we would
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: talk to and I don't really think I want to
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: talk to them no more because they've shown me how
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: far away from my moral compass they are.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, here's my thing. It's a very simple
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: piece for me.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: First of all, to your point, as I watched the
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: way that some people, especially men, that I actually have
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: a lot of respect for disrespect that woman, regardless of
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: whether you liked her.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The lady never did anything to you.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I was having this conversation with Shabaz to your friend
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and also you know brother on the line, and he
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: was saying that, you know, I don't I'm not with
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: the disrespect because even in my own mother's house, if
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I disrespect this somebody, they family member, friend, the lady
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: down the hall, even when your own mother is talking
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: crap about the lady next door, you could never come
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: out your mouth and say, oh she this or that
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: to whatever any disrespect it was not tolerated because once
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: you disrespect somebody, you're in a position you ready to
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: go to a whole different place. And I watched a
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: lot of men, a lot of brothers, put things and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: sisters put things on their social media that was completely demeaning, disrespectful,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: saying that you know, and I've said this to you before,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: excuse me that you know Kamala Harris slept her way
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: to the top, you know, just saying all kinds.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Of crazy things about her.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: And first of all, it shows to me that you
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: actually are bankrupt of actual ways to discuss policy. You
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: don't even know how right, So all you know how
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: to do because you're so ignorant, is to resort to
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: following the ignorant.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have anything to do with that.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: I take seriously when I see a woman and she's
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: not which, by the way, I don't care if she was.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: On a stripper pole at night.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: But that of course leans in a certain direction that
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: gives people to feel a certain way about you. So
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: they might say some funny stuff, and that's different. But
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: this is a woman who is highly accomplished, very intelligent,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: has you know, many many years and years of a
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: professional body of work. And for you to feel like
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: that's the way that you should speak about her, it
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: makes me feel like you're talking about me, like I
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: take it personal like that, absolutely I do. And I
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: think one of the problems that we have in our
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: society is that we don't take certain things seriously, Like
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: everything shouldn't be something to play with, everything shouldn't be
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: a demeaning joke. Some things we could do that, but
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: then there's sometimes it's like you be in the house
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: with your family, everybody snapping and joking, but come a
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: certain time, your grandfather walk in the room or your grant,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: the energy changes, you know better, This is not the
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: time for that, it's not the place for it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: We might have beef all year long, but when.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: It comes to a grandma's birthday party or somebody died,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: we get ourselves cleaned up. We're not showing up to
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: the service with our pants sagging or with your you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: your your your tou tou on from last night's party.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Because this is this is a different time. We gotta
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: pull up, pull ourselves up, and show up with respect.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: So that for me has been a turn off. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: as it relates to the whole, and those are a
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: lot of people. Some of them voted for Trump, some
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: of them didn't vote at all, some of them too
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: ignorant to even find.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Were to go vote. So that that's you know it, and.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: We know, we know from the turnout that there were
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who did not vote. A lot
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: of that has to do with things that we will
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: get into on this show talking about the DNC their failures.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Also people who are who are veheminently against a side
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: and they they can't, they could not, they weren't gonna
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: vote for Trump, but they could not bring themselves to
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: vote for anybody that was running.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Then you know you have different people who have who came,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: who had different splitting points, right, So we know that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: But I think that when it comes down to Donald Trump,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: to your point, I can remember when we were out
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: there protesting in the summer of twenty twenty and even
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: prior to that. I mean, forget about the summer of
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty, prior to that from the Women's March.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I know the.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Targeting that happened to us as a result of Donald Trump.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: William Barr, who was his attorney general. I know how
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: we were talked about from that podium. I know how
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: he disrespected people like April Ryan, a black woman who
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: would question him just like she does every other president,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: every other press secretary, and the way in which he
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: would disrespect her and speak to her and put a
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: target on her back. I know about I watched him
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: with how he spoke of Colin Kaepernick, you know, and
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: how he also talked about police. Just rock them up
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: a little bit, Lebron James, throw them in the car,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: you know, bang them up. And I also know to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the point that you always make it's not that everybody
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: who's racist follows or votes for Trump, but all the races, absolutely.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: That's who they align with for the most part.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Of course, you got some closet more suited up Democrats
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: that's racist as shit too. So I'm not saying they
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: don't exist on the same on both sides, but that
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: that mag of mindset is something that I can never
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: align with, and I know how dangerous it is for us.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: A lot of these people that think it's cool to
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: and some of them thought it was funny. Others of
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: them think it's cool to go jump up and chum
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: me up next to Trump.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of people that feel that way. But
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: they also are not on the front line of anything.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: They're not in any movement. They don't understand what it
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: looks like and how we can literally die seriously or
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: be locked away. Because if your black ass get shot
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: right now by police that he wants to.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Be immune, we are the ones.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: We are the ones who would be out there and
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: then we will be targeted by his administration, by his
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Justice Department and so on and so forth. And also
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: police officers and the George Zimmerman's of the world who think.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That you know, hey, why not why.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: It's one thing we was killing already. We don't care
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: if you Democrat Republicans, we automatically feel that we have
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: unmitigated power. But when we have a leader who is
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: hateful and also divisive speaking every day, it emboldens us
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: to be more like whatever it is that oppresses a
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: particular group or vulnerable populations. So with that being said,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I don't want to have a relationship with people. If
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: you voted for Trump, don't tell me about it. Just
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: keep it to yourself, because if I find out about it,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: it's not that I don't love you.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: And if you call me and say, hey.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I need you, I'm in trouble that I wouldn't show
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: up to try to be there for you, especially if
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you're a family member or somebody that I support it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: But we don't have nothing to talk about on a
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: regular basis.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just where I'm at.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I just and there's nothing wrong
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: And if you if you feel the same way about me,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Because that means that we just do morally align. It
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: means that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Our views and our values are completely off from different things.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Like I can take somebody that you might not like
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: all of or I don't like all the things you're doing,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: but I can't deal with somebody who is just divisive,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: who's rude, who's.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Ignorant, who is just completely negative.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: And it's nothing wrong with drawing the line and the
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: scene and separating yourself from that. You know, people say, oh,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: you're being divisive, and I'm like, we are divided right
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And we are in times right now where you have.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: To pick your tribe.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: You got to pick people on your team that that
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: are going to protect you, that have the same that
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: are aligned with you.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: That you know, the worst come to worst.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: This person got my back that they're not gonna they're
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: not gonna stab me in the back like this is.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: These are the times that we're in right now, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think people people.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Find that out late.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: That's why you go and you see these dudes in
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: the streets and they go to trial and next thing
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: you know, the peap person they thought it was their
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: best friend is sitting on the stand saying well this.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And that, because they're not really built for that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And I think we're in a time well you gotta
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: know who's built for what you got to know who's
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: willing to die for what, who's willing to live for
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: what they value?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Do they value the same thing?
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Because if we don't have the same value, then we
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: have to be divided, like the minister.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: But I think that the term we all be together, well,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I think that the term divided is very it's dangerous,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: especially when we're talking about black people. But there is
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: a level of separation that it's very different from right.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: You can you can separate, you can isolate even yourself
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: and your family from things that make you feel unsafe.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: But for us as a people to be divided.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: To act like were not to use words that make
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: us feel comfortable because there's a division. You feel there's
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that feel this way, and there's
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch of people that feel this way. Now, whatever
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: word we want to do. I remember, I forgot who
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: made the quote. There's like, how many of y'all went freedom?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: And he said raise your hand, and then everybody raised
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: their hands. He said, how many of y'all willing to
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: die for freedom? So many people put their hands down,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and he said, all right, the people that got their
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: hand raised. In order for you to get freedom, you
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: got to get rid of the people that put their
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: hand down, because these are the realities that we're dealing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: We're dealing in We in those times right now where
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: they're going to, like you said, to sell out negroes
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: that sold us into slavery. That's where we are. And
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want to align myself so nobody like that, right,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: but I think I have to understand that reality.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I think that words matter, right, and as people who
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: are sitting in a leadership position, which we are, whether
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: people like us in that position or not, and it
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: is because we're active, Like we're outside. So when you're outside,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: you have a certain level of leadership where people are
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: listening to you and they're looking to you not just
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: to shine a light on or to bring awareness to
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: what's wrong, but also to try to figure out, like
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: what is our pathway forward, Like what is the inspirational
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: part of our message? And I think that in this time, yes,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: there is division, of course there is division, but I
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: hope that as black folks that we try not to,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: especially as black people who are leaders, that we try
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: not to lean so much into the division, and more
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: so that we have a separation of interest. Right, there's
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a separation of idiology, there's a separation of interest. It's
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: just like, for instance, people even though I said one
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand times I don't agree with anybody one hundred
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: percent on anything, right, and I said, I don't agree
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: with Minister Farakhn on these two points that he made
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: about whatever the issues. Won't get into that today. But
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: there were people who specifically wanted me to say I
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: denounced him, and I refuse to use that word. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: so because I understood that that word is connected to
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: a particular way of dividing us in our community, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: can easily sit here and say I don't agree with
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: my son, and therefore I might not listen to your
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: music because I don't agree with the messaging your music.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But if I say I denounce your music, I'm speaking
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: from a place that it doesn't benefit me and you
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: for sure, and it doesn't really benefit our community. What
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: it does, though, is play into the hands of people
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: who wanted to tell me this is what you need
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: to do in order to prove to us as white folks,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: as white folks, that you are more aligned with me,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and that my relationship with you is more important than
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: your relationship with But.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to tell you.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So whether they say the words or not, but if
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: they do that, so what I'm trying to say is
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you being a leader, right and if you don't, because
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: they are leaders who have done it right, they're leaders
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: who people that and what happens was once they did that,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: they d do the line in the saying with that
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: individual anyway say they don't have to say this and that,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: or they don't they showing you.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I still I still push back on it
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: because I knew that there was a particular reason why
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: they wanted me to use that word. And quite frankly,
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: those people black leaders who have used the language, they're
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: not they are not smiled upon by the community, right
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: like people. That's not a good word to use, especially
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: me as a young woman for an elderly man who's career.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: But the thing is the problem with it spands why.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But the problem is this, I think the difference is
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: in what we're saying. Is this those people called for
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: you to say something because you had a disagreement with
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: your brother. Y'all was like, y'all was arguing over you,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like come on, I don't I know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Don't agree with you.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: You had to disagree with your brother, and you and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: your brother was figuring it out.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: He's like, even though I don't disagree, I don't believe
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: him when he says that, I don't believe that, right,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: but morally, you still aligned with that individual. Morally, his
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: whole basis is I want to see people. I'm a
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: loving person. Everything about me is love. Maybe you don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: agree with me on this and that, but you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: my my my moral compass, everything about me is love.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: He didn't show you that he was a person that
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: went against the values of love that you had people.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: But there are people, my son, when you're talking about
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: an election, right, you have people out there. A lot
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: of a lot of what folks were doing is responding
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: to trauma.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Right, there's some.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: There are people out there that they literally I was
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: listening to some guys on a podcast or.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they was on, but I was
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: listening to them, and they were.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Talking about how like we've tried everything and the Democrats
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: keep selling us lies and you know, saying all the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: things that they were saying. They were giving all their
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: reasons for why they voted for Trump or why they
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: feel like Trump is a better option. And what I
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: realized is there are a lot of people out here
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: that their connection to the dollar or their belief that
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: money will save us, that they they believe like I'm
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: gonna go get close to the one who seemingly either
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: has the money or looks like if I'm friends with him,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: maybe I could be closer. So those people, I don't
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: want to deal with them either away because I don't
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: want to deal with them either because ultimately, you was
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: willing to sell my bodily autonomy as a woman, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: your mama's and your sisters and others, and my son's
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: protection from the police and all of that. You was
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: willing to sell it for a few dollars right, which
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: we'll see how that works out, but that's what you
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: was willing to do. So I don't want to have
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: anything to do with you, But I don't want to
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: be divided. I just don't want to have anything to
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: do with your ideology in that way. I don't want
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: to be I just don't own I don't want to
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: use words like denounce or even divide it when I'm speaking.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: About other black But I just believe it's separation.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: We could call it whatever you want. I just believe
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: that we are in a time right that we have.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I no longer want to peacefully coexist with anyone that
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I doing to mora morally aligned with right because I
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: realize it hasn't been beneficial for me. Right anytime that
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: anytime that somebody I've been around, I've seen things and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, now you know he might be a
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: little and only thing that happened is that's that situation, fait. Yes, Right,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't I want to just completely cut it off,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: like I just start blocking people, unfollowing people that I
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: known for because at this point we're not on the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: same page.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I just want you though, to cause you know you're
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: a person that you're very extreme. You go from one
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: extreme to the next. It's like you get on the
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: topic and then I go to sleep and you talk
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: about the topic. I wake up in the morning. You
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: got three lives going on. Now you're making sixteen videos
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: and you all the way down the rabbit hole. That's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: one thing you and Tesling y'all do the same thing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Once y'all get on a point, you're gonna drive it
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: down until every single person so you are finished with it,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: which I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's anything wrong
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: with that. I'm just saying I know that y'all too.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: But I'd never come back though. See what I'm saying,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: if I will understand how.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You feel for me, you never come back.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying is, this is what I'm saying,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: is if I once I made my mind up and said,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and I've done the math, and I said, because I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: don't just come to this conclusion lightly, right, I don't
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: just sit there and wake up one day and like, nah,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: you know what.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not I'm not impulsive. I've sat there and I.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Thought it not imposive, amore. Know what I'm saying, There
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: was a time.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: There was never a time, because there was never a
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: time that I did something that had.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: To walk it back.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Oh yes you have, Yes, you have, Yes, you have.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: You have apologized, you have corrupt it and you have
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: pulled things down because the information that you had was
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: not fully You didn't. You didn't, you weren't fully aware
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: of whatever was going on. Like you've posted things that
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: a friend has posted. I've done it. All of us are.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: If you're on social media.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I haven't made you have it.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not saying I've definitely posted things
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that was ill it formed, because that's that's what social
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: media was. When you first got on social media, you
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: think people give you things you like, oh, this is right,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: this is okay, let me post it, and then when
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you realize that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Was not when you was first on social media, it
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was no, it was not.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Something you've been.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: On social media for a long.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Just happened like three months ago that I can't remember,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: but it was like everybody was talking about something and
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: then we found that was something I had to do
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: with Biden.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And then we found out.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I was like, let me listen to this, because it
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: doesn't sound like this is something a bill or whatever
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: that Biden would actually be out here promoting. And then
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: when we looked at it, it was like, oh no,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: this is absolutely and it was and it was your
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: friend who I know exactly what was who had posted it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: And again it's not it's nothing wrong with it. We
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: all have done it, and once we do it, we
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: correct it. But I'm saying we should sometimes we are
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: imposive sometimes things that we see and things the things
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: that make us feel a way that we've already been
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: thinking about. Right, you already been thinking about whatever the
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: issue is, and then something happened, and we do make
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: it impolsive moves at times.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So, but I don't agree with what you're saying. What
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to say is this. I'm not saying that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I don't make impostive moves. If you saying that I
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: woke up and I will three this and five this
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: and five that, right, that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Ain't impulse No, this is a develop that Okay.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm trying to tell you. So if
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you see me go three and ten and this and that,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I've come to a conclusion that this is where I'm
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: standing at and I'm not moving from there.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: All I'm suggesting I'm trying to All I'm suggesting to you.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: All I'm suggesting to you is that sometimes we should
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: do nothing. And what I'm saying is with it as
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: it relates to your friends and your relationships. Yes, I've
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: made a very clear decision about who I'm willing to
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: engage with, right and I know that there are people
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: that I have to put people in different categories based
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: upon the trauma or things that they're dealing with. I'm
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: sure you're doing the same thing. I'm just saying, sometimes
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: we should just do nothing.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: That's all. Just do nothing.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Just just do nothing and let time because they say
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: time the only thing. What do they say the best
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: thing about time is time? Just let time take it.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: But almost fifty years old, time is time.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not twenty.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying, but that's what I'm saying. I'm not twenty.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not because what I've realized after my twenties, shit
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: that I knew when I was, you know, in my twenties,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: and then when I turned thirty.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I knew it before, but I try to ignore it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Right where time comes wisdom and you start seeing shit
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: in people, you try to ignore it. And what I
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: told people all the time, the shit that you don't
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: like about somebody early, it don't go away.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It only multiplies. It gets bigger and bigger.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: So now when I start sensing the shit that I
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: already know, right, it's like fifty cents said he said,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Once you're on the fence, then I'm pushing you to
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the other side because I don't have the time to
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: figure out anything else. Because if I'm wrong, I could
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: have been right right, and that's how I live my
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: life right now. I don't have the time to surround
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: myself by anyone who I just don't think ilane with.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I don't want to think about it. I'm not trying
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to convince you to think how I think. I'm not
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: trying to convince you to be my friend. I'm not
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: going to convince you to have the same values that
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I have. I don't want to do none of that shit.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: If it don't work, if it's not natural, if it
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: just doesn't just you know, materialize how it's opposed to
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I just don't want to.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Deal with it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I get I'm not. I don't you know we can
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: move on for it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: I just you know, I'm careful in my life to
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: be on a moral high ground.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that you are.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying I am, because what might be for
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: some people it's politics, but for other people it's other
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: things that each one of us has, or that we carry,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: things that we do, decisions that we make that another
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: person might look at you and say that's the sum
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: of who you are, right, And I try not to
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: do that because I know for a fact that there
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: are a number of things that if I could change
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: it or or or or do it differently, I would.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: And so I try my best to approach situations by
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: saying I'm not coming here with a moral high ground,
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: or sounding like I can look at anybody else in
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: point fingers. I don't have to be in relationship to
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: people who voted for Trump.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I just don't have to do it. I don't like
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: if you're in a relationship with them.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: It's not point fingers.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: It's because if let's say, person says I don't like
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: somebody that wears red, I just don't want they have
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: the personal and you can say, okay, cool, I wear red.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: You don't got to be around me. Right, that's their decision,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: And it's not a moral hoigh ground. It's my It
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: is my cutoff point. It is the line that I
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: drew on the saying it's certain shit for me and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: my mental health, my emotional health that I say to myself,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to be evolved with. Right, you
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: don't have to talk to me about it if that's
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: how you feel about it. And I might be the
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: person that that the bane of your existence is shit
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: that I do, and it's people that hate me because
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: of who I am, and I have no problem with that.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: You stay over there and I stay over here, and
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: that's just it. That's just how I want to live.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I want to live my life with my circumference of
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: people that made me come. Yeah, I want people to
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: be able to challenge me. We're gonna have disagreements, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: we're gonna disagree in respect. But we're not gonna disagree
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: about our morality. We're not gonna disagree about the values
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: that we share. If we have those disagreements, then we're
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: not on the same page.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And it's no way that you can't.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: You cannot bring somebody to have the same value system
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: that you have.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: That's that's not something that's.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I don't disagree, So I don't disagree. I don't disagree.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: I think I'm just responding to you, know, listening to
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: you what I want you to Just I don't want
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: us to wake up one day and everybody we love
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: we lost because we in this day. I feel like
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: from where I know, there's so many people that I
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: love or people I was close to, what places I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: used to go and things I would do, and it
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: made me happy. And now I don't have those relationships
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: anymore because of my decision.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: To not I'm not talking about voting.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I'm just talking about certain things, like you know, I
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: love certain I love certain certain things about family members
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: or friends or whatever. But I realized that they don't
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: fuck with me because I'm too much. I you know,
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm always posting about people being ignorant or whatever
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: that might not actually be it. So I'm just I'm
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: only sitting here, not wanting you to go down the
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: path of looking up one day and all your people
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: that you like to be around.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: You know, for me, it's just like I'd rather be lonely,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: didn't have to I respect, please or be somebody. I'm
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: not around people that are supposed to be comfortable with,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: right like if I if I have to curb my
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: enthusiasm and the love and just the passion that I
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: have for things that actually care to me in order
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: to make somebody comfortable, I'm not even living the fuck out.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: What the fuck I care about what you think about
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: what I think, especially when I don't care about you
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: that much.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's not that serious for me.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And if you if you feel like my views or
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: the way I live my life make you uncomfortable, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: invite you.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: To do this.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I tell people come my page every day, I'm like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: you can actually just unfollow or scroll by because I'm
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: not gonna stop saying what I think to make you comfortable.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: And there's people that do that. I talk. I have
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that have.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Platforms and they be like, yo, you know what, I
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: admire you because you I'll be willing to say that stuff.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't want to deal with the best.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck about no backlash about what
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: you think about what I think.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: That must be a very strange or lonely place to
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: not be able to be you because you're scared of
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: what somebody's opinion is of your opinion. I have no
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: such problem. So today on my music segment, I don't
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: have a song. I just have an idea and a thought,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: In a question you know you and your questions.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've been really like, I've been very reflective
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, you know, since we
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: are just are in uncharted territory and I just want
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: to just pay attention to just listen, like just paying
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: attention to the air, listening to the air, just paying attention,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: just to the vibe of the world, because God has
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: to be saying something to me at this moment.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: I always say that I'm built for I have been
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: created for such a time as now. So I'm just listening,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: just really just taking it and just listening, you know.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: And I've been watching music and the question I had was,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: is drill music that you know? I think I think
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I've been listening to it a lot, and I understand
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: where it comes from. I understand the pain that is
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: coming from, you know, understand it was It was born
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: out of the streets. It was born out of the
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: need for these young kids who are dealing with trauma
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: to be heard, you know, and to express.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: What it is that's going on in their culture.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: But as I'm watching Little Dirk, you know, as I'm
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: watching NBA Humble, I'm watching King Vaughn get here, I'm
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: watching every day, you know, k Flot, just watching this
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: the diminishing of it. I'm watching labels pull back, like
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: the whole budgets for labels. People just being dropped from labels,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: and I don't know, if I feel like it's just
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: on the last leg. I feel like nobody really wants
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: to invest in it. Right I'm listening to it. I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: haven't heard like new drill rappers coming out of nowhere,
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: you know. I think there's still a subculture of it
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: that you know, from the trenches. They're gonna still create,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that. I don't even think it
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: ever really went that main with the exception of probably
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Little Dirk NBA Humble, who had some you know, mainstream success.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: But I think watching what Little Dirk is going through,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: just constantly seeing all of them just can either get
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: arrested or or you know, or or murdered or shot
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: or I just I just feel like it's falling apart
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: at the scenes, you know, like and I don't and
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want to because I feel like it was
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: it was given some of these kids opportunity to get
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: out the streets.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: But I don't even know.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like it's a contradiction because on
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: one hand, I hear everybody saying that drill music has
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: been very, very dangerous for our young people, and they're
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: on the same un the same breath. You're saying, like
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: you don't really want it to. I don't completely die.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: I wanted to, but there's people who probably want to
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: give it a funeral, and there are labels that realize damn,
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: especially after you guys have been calling out the labels
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: saying that they invest way too much in drill music
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: and drill artists, and now you're saying something.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is this.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I believe that the energy it has to pass, right,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: But I believe also that it's still the voice of
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: an unheard community, right, It's still a voice of un
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: her community. So I want to figure out and it
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: was profitable. There were some of these kids that was
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: able to to, you know, get out of the streets.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: And some of them actually you know, are making all
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: of them are dying, right, some of them are actually
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: making it out of there.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: But so I want that part.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to see these young kids
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: be able to financially get out of it because a
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: lot of these people who make this drill music like,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: they are in the trenches.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Trenches. These are kids that.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Going home to no parents, family members in jail, mothers
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: on drug like. These are people that come from the
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: bottom bottom so I don't want to see, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the ability for them to make it out, especially when
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: they put their life into that. I don't want that
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: to disappear. I want the negativity to disappear. I want
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: the glorification of the violence to disappear. I want to shoot,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: and I want all of the negativity around it. And
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: that's why I started the program that I started, from
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: drill music to heal music, taking those saying the same
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: energy of the drill and talking about different things and
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: evolving and making the music evolved to where it still
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: has the same energy because it has something that's moving
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: these kids, but the substance has to change. But I
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: do feel like, you know, I've been hearing this quote
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: unquote sexy drill that you know they've been doing lately,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: that I think it has the ability to go to it.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: But I think just the chord drill or pretty much
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: kill music.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what y'all saying. It is
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: kill music, but it is.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: I'm just laughing to myself because I was thinking about
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: when Boozy and Ti I walked up and their sons
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: was doing the song and they had the guns and
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: nothing and Tia asked them, way happened to love music?
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Why y'all don't know make no love songs with the
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: girls and all of that. I was cracking up because
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: it's such an.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Old man's but but that's how we feel like we
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: know what's going to Just I try to tell my
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: child the same thing, like can we can y'all whatever
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: happened to? Like I want, I really wanted for my
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: child to be like the Will Smith or the uh,
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: what's the other one?
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Nick Cannon. I'm like, there's a role like why don't
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: you go in that direction? That ain't with them kids? Like?
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: And then they looking at me like you oh, like
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: that's old people for old person that's gonna sit up
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: here and say why don't you come? Come do Nick
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Cannon and Will Smith? But Yo, these people are megastars.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: They made tremendous money, contributions, they've got movies, they got everything.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: And the chances of a person like that, you know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: that's following sort of the same lane. Now, I wouldn't
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: say drill, but that lane of more a gangster rap
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: of they their lifespan is.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Not it's few, it's very few, So I don't know.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I mean I mean, I mean, I think the original
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: gangster rap. There's a lot of people who who transcended
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: from gangstrap. You look at Snoop, you look at Doctor Dre,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: you look at you Lazy, you look at you know.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying. You just look there.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: There has been transcending from gangster rap. I just don't
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: see many trans people that are transcending. Like if you look,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Dirk was probably the biggest you know, drill rapper they
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: have and for him to be doing what he's dealing with,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: and it's based off things that come from you know,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: allegedly that come from the just the music.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It stems from the music.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: It's like, damn, you know, we lost all type of
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: like really good artists in this time with this drill music,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: like to the to the streets.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: But that was the case. What it was called gangster rap, right,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and people died.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: People die, a lot of people. If you look at this.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: It's Biggie a gangster rapper. Yes, that was a gangster rapper,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: and so was Tupac. He was a gangster well I Knowac,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: but big he was like you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Know, he wasn't like borderline. It was street ra and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: people died.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm not saying that people didn't die, but there was.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: It was marginalized. There's too not the not taking anything
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: away from isolated. Isolated, That's what I mean. It was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: isolated incidents. There was two people that had beef that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: got bigger than the music, and you know, and it trans.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: But there's been more death than that as a result,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: because if you tell it, she's still young people in
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: her community because of beefs that done been from rappers
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: long time ago.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: But those rappers are still alive. That was and what
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: happened was the people in the street took on those
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: beafs and that definitely happened. But I'm talking about the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: actual rapper who was beefing. It's either dying or going
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: to jail. Now. You know, every time every time you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: turn around, and it's based off beef that stems from
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: the music or inside the music or the music that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: they create. It was based off the beef you know
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: that they had.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: That that blew them up.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: So I just think, you know, like I wanted, I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: wanted these kids to have opportunities, man, and I just
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: hope they're smart enough to evolve, you know, and and
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: and see the trend and see how they definitely trying
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: to trap you off. And people are losing their lives,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: you know, and hopefully they take they be able to spend.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: You know, you gotta learn how to pivot man.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you also as an artist, as an older artist,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: between you know yourself and a whole bunch of other
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: older guys that are out there that have experienced the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: labels should be partnering with you to figure out what
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: does it look like to help these young people. Because
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: they got the energy, they got the talent, they have
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: all of that, but we all need mental.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: There's no more mental A and rs. They don't really
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: have any of that.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: We all need mental.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: They just take this and that needs to happen so
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: that you can figure out how can they expres rest
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: there the same feelings, they have the same all of that,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: but then not allow it to end up with like
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: real actual violence. I don't know how you do it,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: because I'm to do.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Evolution.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's evolution, you know, And I think that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: you take the pain right and you figure out how
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: you bottle the pain of Like I used to teach
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: music as an alternative to violence. I used to go
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: to the detention center, shout out to Karma, and that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: was the program that we had. Like you wanted to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: express the pain, put it into music, all right, but
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: we're not gonna kill nobody.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: We just want to express the pain.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: But let's figure out how do we express this pain
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: and then we don't act up on the violence. You know,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, there's so many different ways
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: to do it. I just I just want these kids
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: to live. I'm tired of seeing twelve, thirteen, fourteen year
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: olds on one they spend in the block and literally
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: dying the next day after they make songs and videos
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: that's on the internet. So you know, I want, I want,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: I want the energy of the music and the culture
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: to live. But I just want the violence and the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: negativity in us dying and going to jail to disappear.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well disappearance I don't know, but certainly there could
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: be a huge reduction.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Right, definitely need a reduction. And that brings me to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: my I don't get it.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: You loaded.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm loaded to you know, usually I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: sit down, just let you usually do your thing.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: Don't do that because they love to say in the
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: comments section that oh she gonna let him say anything,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: and why she had to cut him off, and why
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: this and that?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: So I tried, you're doing a lot better. You're doing
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a lot better. You don't cut me off.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I cut you off sometimes, not a lot, but you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: need to be cut off sometimes.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I don't never need to because but that's neither.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: He definitely make impulsive social media. But I'm not gonna
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm not gonna be labor the point.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: But you definitely make impulsive social media.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Mean if that, if that's your decision, absolutely, if that's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: your position, I don't agree.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to agree.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I don't agree.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I don't agree that that you don't I know you do.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Well. I don't regret him. So if you're saying the imposted,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: then I would regret when I posted it. So my
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Today, Mike Tyson had a fight.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: You know there was this because that's my thing. You know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: everybody got to think my thing is Mike Tyson had
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: to fight. You know, over the weekend, Mike Tyson had
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: a fight.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And he had a fight with another person.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: He had a fight with Jake Paul.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: You know, you boxing match I.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Mean if you call it that, you know, and there
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: was a lot of people who had things to say.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I made a joke about it, you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: because Mike has been an advocate for Trump, He's been
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: the Trump supporter. So you know, at the at the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: conclusion of the fight, Mike had lost, and I made
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: a joke, was like, oh, he voted for Trump. You
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, that's what happened. That's calmer. You know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: it was funny to me. A lot of people didn't
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: take it funny, you know. And we have mutual friends
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: that I actually love, one of them who was real
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: close to Mike, and Mike was getting beat up this week,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: you know, just just based off the fight, you know,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: just based off Mike.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Just wasn't It wasn't Mike, you know.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: In the reality, the situation is that there are a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: lot of us who are Mike Tyson fans who grew
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: up on Mike Tyson, who are used to a level
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: of excellence.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Even when he lost, you know, he fought.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: There was just a level of warriorism that we saw
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson with all the time.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: So the friend called you and said that you heard
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: his film No He.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Didn't really call me. He just made a comment to me.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and and I apologize to him
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: because I understood it was a joke, but I did
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: not understand how closely a line they are, you know
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, So it was it was really just
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: a joke, but he felt the way like because everybody
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: would just beat Mike down.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Everybody was beating by the way that impulsive.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was impostalve because I but I don't.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like I said nothing wrong, because.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: You know, I was just like you said, it was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a joke, but your joke was the brundt of somebody.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Else like it was, but it was a joke about
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: a fight when you when you were a professional.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Right, that was not the joke about a fight. It
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: was you're very serious about the Trump thing. But you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: can't say at the same time the same conversation and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: say that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: But I still love Mike, right, I love Mike even
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: I love Mike as a boxer. Mike is not a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: friend of him. I love Mike as a boxer, right,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: So me and Mike don't hang out every day, so
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: I can love to watch Mike box and be a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: fan of everything that Mike does as an athlete, right,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: but I could separate.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: We don't. We don't.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Align when it comes to his political views, so we
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: might not be able to be best friends. If we
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: hung out, we might be arguing all the time, and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: that probably wouldn't be saying I went for my life.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: So I don't think. Maybe me and Mike wouldn't be
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: close friends.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: But as far as a boxer and a craft and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the you know what he brought to the sport, I loved.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I loved watching Mike fight.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: But this fight wasn't one of those fights, you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: And I didn't see Mike didn't look anything like the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: mic that I knew. And what I don't get, my
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: I don't get it is why are people angry at
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: us as fans for not wanting to see somebody that
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: we admire, some of us actually idolized, grew up on,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: looked like that in the ring.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: There were people that was mad that people that it's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: people that yo it was.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I was in my house, me and my brother was
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: having a conversation with being mother and she was like, oh,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Mike can't beat nobody at fifty and I was like,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: but this is Mike.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Though this is Mike.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: The mic that I seen on the internet that was
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: punching them gloves, that was that had this energy. I
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: did not see that mic in the ring, and it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: hurt me. It hurt me to watch somebody that I
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: looked up to and I see as a warrior. It's like,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: it's a few people that I felt like that about.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I watched Mike, like Michael Jordan, even though I used
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: to hate Mike because they always beat the Knicks, right
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: and I was a Nick fan and so, but I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: admired that he was a warrior. Like I loved the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. You hated them when he's playing. Allan obviously
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: was my favorite basketball player ever.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: There are certain players that have this eye of the tiger,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: and Mike was one of those, right. He was one
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: of those people that was iconic in the sport. So
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: to watch him go from that and see him that
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: night and people say, well, Mike made money. You gotta understand,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: and I get it. You know, we're all trying to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: make money. But I just feel like fights like that,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: you know that that put our legends in a position
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: to where they looked like a shell of themselves. It
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: diminishes the value of the sport, and it actually diminishes
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: the value of.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: The affect To me, like it's almost like which I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: understand during the time when.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I got two thoughts on this.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: First, when Joe Biden was running for president, he was younger, clearly,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: and he was up against a man that probably Joe
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Biden is the only one who could have beat him,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: excuse me, because he also is a white man who.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of white you know, white men like Joe Biden.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: When they making a decision between Joe Biden and Trump,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of similarities in terms of them being
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: two old white men who both of them have had
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: some racist shit that you know, it has been cited,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: some things that they done, said, some places they've been,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: and some ideology that is pretty consistent, right, because that's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: just the older white man seventy eight seventy nine, that's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: just what it is.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Obviously Joe Biden has become much more liberal. And one
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: thing that I see about Joe Biden is that as
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: he got he as he.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Became well, I would say, as he got older, especially
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: after he was Obama's vice president and he got a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: chance to be around the Michelle Obama's, the Valerie Jareds
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: and other black women.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: You could tell that he knew black women.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: I need to have more of them around to advise me, right,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: More black people in general, and more diverse folks, but
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: definitely black women. And you know, when black women are
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: in the room, we're gonna be in there looking out
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: for every damn body, because that's.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: What we do.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: And so I'm sure that a part of his more
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: liberal mindset comes from his relationship to other black women
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: and other black people, especially somebody like Barack Obama, where
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: you know, good and damn well, it doesn't matter what
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: they look like when they come outside, dumb Obamas when
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: they back at the house, because.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: They're showing you now who they are. And these last
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: few weeks of the.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Campaign, MICHELLEA said some things and Obama was saying some
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: things like whoa what where that's come from?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Because that's who they are.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: So I'm saying all of that to say, the sad
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: part about it is that his legacy will not be
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: what we knew of him when he first ran for office,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: and while he was vice president and all of that.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: His legacy will be him being sleepy Joe, right, And
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: then Sleepy Joe didn't even have, in my judgment, the
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: figure that it took to go and say, I don't
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: give a damn what anybody thinks.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: We are not going to continue to send weapons to Israel.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna do it. So I know it's gonna
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: make this one fall out with me.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: This group gonna be mad, Apak's gonna come for us,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have all that, but I'm just not gonna
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: let this happen.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that takes, you know.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Because we have been in a position where we've had
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: to deal with desion this and the whole thing. It takes,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: and he says he's design this. It takes a certain
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: type of person, and I don't think that he had
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: or has what it takes to really go up for
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: that fight, because it would be a knockdown, drag out fight,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: right which he could just make a final decision to
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: say it is what it is.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: But that's another day's conversation.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: So his legacy is not gonna be the way that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: I think it should be right or the way that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he would like for or his family members
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: would have liked for it to be because he got
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: real old while in office.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: So I see that point. I think that on the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: other side, though, is that there are a.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Lot of us that people will say, and especially olderly
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: like Reverend Jesse Jackson and others, that folks would be like,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: it's time for you to move out the way, and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: yet they still have something that they can contribute to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: the space, don't I think we need elders, younger people,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: middle aged people all still.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Mixed up in the pot.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: And why is it that Reverend Jackson, who now he has,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: you know, his health condition, but how come he's not
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: good enough to make the keynote addressing it's got to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: be more of this young guy.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Why do we have to do that? I don't know.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I agree. I think I can
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: see both sides. The legacy piece is one thing which
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Mike says he doesn't care about legacies. But then I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: think on the other side, it's kind of like we
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: can't just be moving people out the way because they're
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: not the same old twenty two.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think it's moving people out the way,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: it's just understanding like you know, when when Magic retired,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: he became the CEO.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Right, he didn't go back and say I'm gonna play
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: against Lebraun and them. Right.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Once you retire and you realize that you don't have
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: that fire that it takes to be to compete at
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: the level that you competed when you already are a superstar,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: then you you get another job. Like people said, Tyson
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: need money, Tyson could, Tyson could be a promoter of
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: a fight. Tyson can get a young artist, like if
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: you really want to help, if you I mean young boxer, yeah,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: if you if you want to really help, Mike Teddy said, Yo,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: Jake Paul did him a good job.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. For me. It's just like he sat
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: there and threw punches at a man. You know what
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: they saying.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: He wasn't supposed to hit him, But he was hitting
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Mike right, he was. He was making Mike look like
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: he wasn't.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Who he was supposed to be.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: He enjoyed that level and then he and then now
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: you get to say somebody like Jake Paul, who's never
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: fought a day anybody really in his life, can say
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: that he beat Mike Tyson in a fight like it's that.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: That's what Mike Tyson's legacy is gonna be that he
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: lost to Jake Paul somebody.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Who who is on YouTube like, I don't. I don't.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want that for Mike.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm sorry if that offends some people saying you
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: should just be happy because he made some money.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: And for me, it's just not about money. You know
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: what I'm say is everything's gay and in the sports.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: The fact that that's what sports has turned into is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: it's just it's demoralizing because now you can't get mad
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: at these young kids that they think, Yo, you know what,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: I ain't trying to fight, you know, I ain't trying
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: to really fight hard.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: What's the what's the paycheck? And who I'm gonna fight? Right?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: They don't want to be the best boxer no more
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: like when you even when you look at Floyd, Floyd
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: wanted to fight the best boxers. He wanted to be
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: even though he started he made it about money, but
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: he always made it about the sport as well. He
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: fought to fight us and he won, and he fought,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: and he fought at a high level, and he went
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: into that ring every time to fight at a high level.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: So it's just like when I'm watching Mike do this,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: it's just like I don't I don't want to see this.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: I just don't, you know, maybe somebody else that want
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: to see it. I think a lot of people are
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: gonna be turned off.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I think Mike. If somebody tell you Mike is gonna fight,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: nobody's gonna go get it. And I think that diminishes
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: his value. It's so many other things. I don't know.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I just don't go.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to do it again anyway,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: but people are but every but okay, we'll see. But
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: the again, it's it we Everything is gimmicky, so as
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: long as it's money to be made or uh what
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: you're calling and even with us right like, I guess
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: it's a quote out there that says I'm not it
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: doesn't I'm not moving as fast as some people would
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: think because I won't do these things in order to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: get there. And I look at us. People give us,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: they offer us all the time. Or you could do this,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: or you could talk about these topics or why y'all
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: want to stay on this.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: It's a harder role for us. I think about black
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: effect right, we're not. We are. We do really well.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: Actually, people do listen to our podcast, and people respect
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: us and they want to hear our information because everybody
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: is not looking for what's you know, who's zooming who?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: Everybody's not looking for that. Some people are really looking
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: for good information. But us and then Native Land podcasts
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: and others like that, it's a it's a it's a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a it's a tougher poll to get
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: us to where we have to be. And shout out
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: to Charlemagne and Dolly at Black Effect. Native Land is
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: not excuse me, native Land is not under black Effect.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: It's our Heart podcast. But nonetheless, you look at somebody
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: like Charlemagne who understands that and instead of him creating
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: a business model that only allows for folks that's gonna
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: get the hits and the you know, the fifty thousand
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: views all the time, that's not.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: What he's invested in. He's invested in helping.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: The We got he got a little bit of that, y'all,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: a little bit of middle He got a little bit
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: of people that they got good information, but everybody might
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: not be listening to it. That's not everybody's not there.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: We live in a world today where you need to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: be you got in order for you to be number one,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: you will sell anything in order to get there. And
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: that and for the and so for some folks, Mike
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: made twenty million dollars, that's it like that that for
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: them is doing signify success. You know, even he says
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Mike Tyson around the issue of legacy, which all the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: people that are saying they don't feel he said anything wrong.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: I just disagree.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: I think that, you know, talking to young Jazzy Jazzy's world,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: young baby who go She's interviews people all the time.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: I saw some people like, oh, well, she shouldn't be
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: interviewing grown people if she can't take it. That girl
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: handle herself very well when she was speaking to Mike Tyson.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that she can't handle it. I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: saying we as adults, right, when we're talking to children,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: we can cast darkness over them, or we can give
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: them life and hope and enlightenment.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: And when you're asking somebody a child of a of
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: a child is asking a parent, what do you want
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: your legacy to be? You already know those are questions
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: that especially for a kid that's interviewing people now. His response,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: he could have said, you know, I don't really focus
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: on legacy. I focus on living every single day. Cool,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: but to say legacy don't mean nothing. It's something about
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: ego blah blah blah blah blah. So really, honestly, it's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: really very much in line. He made twenty million dollars
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: and he don't give a shit about what you're talking about.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: You over here talking about his legacy. The man don't
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: even care. The man don't care about his legacy so much.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: He's sat there and says some stuff to a child
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: that I'm sure she'll go home like damn, because she
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: should be thinking about her legacy. She should be thinking
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: about when I'm gone, when I close my eyes, what
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: will people go back and say about one what I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: have done?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: And will I leave a pathway? Will I leave.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: Something that somebody else can say, Okay, I can look
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: at this as a model for how I could do better,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: how I can even do more? Will I leave anything behind?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: That is what I don't think legacy is an ego thing.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: I think legacy is actually what helps to keep us
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: in check as we live every day.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Right, our legacy is what we should be checking in with.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Might not be that you built forty schools and we
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: all have things in our lives that we can look
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: back and say, Okay, that isn't the best part of me,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: But our legacy should be that you're able to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know what they fought in the movement for social justice.
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  Speaker 4: They built businesses that allow other people to have opportunities.
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  Speaker 4: They know they went out and tried to live a
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  Speaker 4: certain way to give other young men and other young
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  Speaker 4: women a pathway towards success or to a brighter future.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying what you're.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about and who this man is, and that all
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  Speaker 4: the people that seem to agree and think that his
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: statement to Jazzy was right, they all on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: It was twenty million. What you're talking about. We ain't
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: got twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: And I literally saw people saying, anybody that's mad about it,
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  Speaker 4: you can't even get on the train. So y'all don't
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: know what you're talking about, because everything is about This
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: is why Trump is so is so popular to people
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: because they believe that you can get money.
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  Speaker 3: If you got and if you've got money, then there's
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: something to greatness. You know, I just don't equate it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I'm trying to say for me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I made the statement, because if that's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: okay with you, right, if you just see the money
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: and you see the monetary value in it, and you know,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: you never seen you never wanted to uphold division of
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Mike that you had as a warrior, and you wanted
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: him to either go out fighting like a lion, you know,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: or just don't fight at all. If that's not what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: you wanted, and it's cool, but don't get mad up
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  Speaker 3: those of us who are really fans of Mike, who
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: are fans of the sport, who enjoy the people that
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: take their craft serious, that want to be in it.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Either they gonna go out to the fullest potential or
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: they're not gonna involve themselves at all, you know. So
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: that's just what it is for me, and I think
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: boxing and that's what's happening. Boxing has turned into it's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: about money, and most of the top boxes won't even
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: fight each other because they looking for a payday and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: they're not looking to say, yo, I'm a fight. Who's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: whoever's next to? Everybody wants to pay that, and it's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: nothing wrong. You should be compensated, right. We want you
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: to be able to make money, We want you to
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: be able to feed your family. You should be compensated
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  Speaker 3: for what you are. But I think for me, you know,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: those are just the rewards of actually being the best
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: that you can be. You know, like watching Lebron Jet
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: James play at forty years old, knowing that he's probably
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: the oldest player and he don't really take that many
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: games off, and these young boys are saying, I ain't
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: gonna play this game, and I'm not gonna play that game.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Knowing that he goes out there and plays with the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: same intensity, if not more intensity than these young kids,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: and they still talking about what they're gonna get there,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: you know, what the check is gonna be, and how
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: they gonna get the next check. And he probably got
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: more money than everybody, and he's playing at a level
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: and he's playing to be the best every time. It's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: just it's different from me. And that's what I look
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: for in the athletes and the people that I actually
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: admire in anything.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that level of drive. So shout out to Mike.
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  Speaker 2: He made his twenty million dollars, you know, shout out
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  Speaker 2: to But.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I just wanna say one last thing and I'm
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: done with it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about when he said legacy is tied
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: to people's ego, and I think that it is a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: myth that people don't have ego.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Like everybody, there's people.
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  Speaker 4: Every human has some level of ego, and ego might
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: also be to connected to your confidence. But when I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: hear that, I think to myself, a lot of people
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: don't feel that they have a responsibility to anybody else
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: but themselves. Yeah, and that's a lot of what you
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: hear when people are like, I don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not worried.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it could be it could be looked at as ego.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: I look at it as ignorance. But there's a lot
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: of people out here that they don't feel like anything
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: that they do has has an impact, or they don't
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: care what the impact is that they have one others,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: and so that's how they're so easily disconnected. I think
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: that at the time when people were concerned about their legacy, right,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: we actually were in a better place the further way.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: Because we were guess I said all the time when
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: you don't have shame or you don't have you don't
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: care what anybody thinks. Like I say all the times
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: that in order for me to value your opinion of me,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: I have to value you, right, So I don't care
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: about everybody's opinion. I don't care about strangers who you know,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: who might have just came and heard a freestyle that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: I did and oh, I like this freestyle.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: But I don't like this, then you don't like me.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: And it's fine.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: You like that freestyle, so just follow the freestyle. But
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: this is when you come to this page. This is
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: the total my song. So I'm not worried about that.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: But if somebody that's in my direct circle comes to
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: me and they have a concern, but well, I don't
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: really like that.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Now I have to assess that. Right. If somebody that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Me, I say it all the time, I don't seem
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: to get no you know what I'm saying. You all
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: over me and be.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: Like, oh what whatever you always got signed to say,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: We're not gonna always agree and that's what you feel.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: And that, Yeah, it depends on what it is.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of times that you come to me
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: to something and we all you and debate, and I'll
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: be like later on, be like you know what you are,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: and I and I.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Leave it, and then you go delete your impulsive social
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: media posts. All right, thank you, My point is well proven.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I won.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: I won this debate today. Thank you so much my
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: song for admitting, because you know it was really bothering me.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you can close the show now, because.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Once again I won.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: I will confirm that I do, I am, I do
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: making posive moves right, because we're all making postive moves.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: That's human nature. I'm saying that if I make a
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: decision that I'm standing on, it hasn't been imposted.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I just won. That's it.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Let's just close it up. It's perhaps sometimes people.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Win, all right, whatever. I've been accused of losing a
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: bunch of things.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika d manager
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: and I can always be wrong. Look, she actually says
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: she won't today. So but we both will always and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: I mean always be authentic.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: That's how we own it.