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SCOTT PETERSON PRISON YARD SCUFFLE OVER PICKLEBALL. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Scott Peterson in the headlines again.
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Speaker 1: This time, Scott Peterson's not the one doing the attacking
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Speaker 1: on Lacy and Connor, his wife an unborn child. He's
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Speaker 1: the one attacked in a California prison by who else,
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Speaker 1: a fellow murderer. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. According to California prison officials,
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson attacked behind bars by another murderer, fellow inmate,
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Speaker 1: Charles R. Miles. Let me quote directly from prison officials.
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Speaker 1: Incarcerated person Charles R. Miles was walking on a recreation
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Speaker 1: path at Mule Creek State Prison when he attacked incarcerated
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Speaker 1: person Scott Peterson. Now this is coming from Todd Jaska,
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Speaker 1: spokesperson for the California Department of Corrections and Rehab. Quote.
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Speaker 1: Staff immediately responded, using chemical agents and batons to stop
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Speaker 1: the attack. Both Miles and Peterson were medically evaluated hmmm,
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Speaker 1: and returned to their respective housing Miles, that's Charles R.
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Speaker 1: Miles received a serious rule violation for the incident. Oh boo.
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Speaker 1: Who He's already a convicted killer now, according to Miles,
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Speaker 1: he says, quote it was God's plan for sure. Now,
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Speaker 1: who is Miles. He is convicted of a gang related
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Speaker 1: murderer in twenty eleven. He got fifty eight years to life.
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Speaker 1: As you know, Scott Peterson serving a life sentence for
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Speaker 1: the two thousand and two murder of wife Lacy and
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Speaker 1: unborn son Connor. Now, he was originally sentenced to death,
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Speaker 1: but the California Supremes reduced that sentence to life without parole. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: he was transferred Peterson to Mule Creek State Prison from
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Speaker 1: San Quentin back in twenty twenty two. That is a
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Speaker 1: huge upgrade. The Innocence Project represents Scott Peterson and is
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Speaker 1: trying desperately to get him released. The recent attack on
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Speaker 1: Peterson occurred because of a pickle ball paddle. Before you
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Speaker 1: shed tears for Scott Peterson, let's have a little reality
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Speaker 1: check about why he was initially sentenced to the death
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Speaker 1: penalty Lacy and Connor. That's why, first of all, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend at Fox News.
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Speaker 2: He was convicted and sentenced to die in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and five, and now the California Supreme Court has overturned
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Speaker 2: the death sentence. Peterson's lawyers had contended all along he
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Speaker 2: was not able to get a fair trial because of
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Speaker 2: all the pre trial publicity with the case, but the
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Speaker 2: court rejected that argument. Yet it did say that the
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Speaker 2: trial judge made a series of clear and significant errors
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Speaker 2: in jury selection that undermined Peterson's right to an impartial
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Speaker 2: jury during the penalty phase, and that potential jurors were
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Speaker 2: improperly dismissed from the jury pool after saying they personally
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Speaker 2: disagreed with the death penalty, but that they would be
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Speaker 2: willing to follow it and impose it. That murder convictions damns,
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Speaker 2: but not the death penalty. Keep in mind, there are
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Speaker 2: more than seven hundred prisoners on California's death row and
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Speaker 2: the last time anyone was put to death was January
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Speaker 2: of two thousand and six.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our Afraid and need a Vogel at Fox News,
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Speaker 1: and what she said is exactly correct. Over seven hundred
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Speaker 1: people languished on California's death row. The current governor, Gavin Newsom,
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Speaker 1: decided against the majority of the public to put a
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Speaker 1: moratorium on the death penalty while he is governor. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: there will be no death penalties. So the reality is
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Speaker 1: that right now there would be no death penalty for
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson anyway until Newsom is out of office, even
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Speaker 1: though California voters voted to keep the death penalty. But
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Speaker 1: what does it all mean? I can tell you this.
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Speaker 1: It all started with this. Take a listen to a
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Speaker 1: nine to one one call by Lacy's stepfather, Ron Grant. Skip.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my father in law called, she went playing well
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Speaker 3: morning thirty. My daughter's been listing sent this morning and
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Speaker 3: she eight months pregnant. She m her dog for a
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Speaker 3: walk from apart from here. The dog came home with
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Speaker 3: just the leave shock and.
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Speaker 4: The dog came back forgot your daughter.
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Speaker 3: Got Peters, your stepdaughter.
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Speaker 1: Right hy rock the Evan she fortug away.
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Speaker 3: She's twenty.
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Speaker 5: Dick didn't come back.
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Speaker 6: That we don't know.
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Speaker 3: We just got a call from our son in law
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Speaker 3: that he left the point and I do you to
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Speaker 3: play golf? He worked at home about a half hour ago.
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Speaker 3: Nowhere around walked it in that party.
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Speaker 1: Eight months pregnant, straight out to high profile La California
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Speaker 1: defense attorney Laura. You're at seeing Laura? Wait? Did I
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Speaker 1: get that wrong? Wait? Scott Peterson told his father in
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Speaker 1: law he was playing golf, but then after he was
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Speaker 1: spotted at San Francisco Bay where Lacy's body turned up.
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Speaker 1: He then said he was fishing. Did I hear that?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 4: On the night?
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Speaker 1: On one call he first told his father in law
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Speaker 1: that he was playing golf when Lacy went missing.
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Speaker 8: The call doesn't tell us what Scott Peterson told his father.
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Speaker 8: That's the father in law is telling the dispatcher, and.
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Speaker 1: The dispatcher of what.
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Speaker 8: Whatever it is that he's telling him. It doesn't necessarily
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Speaker 8: mean that that's what Scott told. And Scott early on
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Speaker 8: from the beginning, when talking to the law enforcement, told
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Speaker 8: him exactly where it had been. That had never been
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Speaker 8: a secret. He was very truthful about it as far
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Speaker 8: as where he had been.
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Speaker 1: You know that. That's really interesting because at the beginning
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Speaker 1: he told people that he had been playing golf, just
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Speaker 1: like you told.
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Speaker 8: That he was going to the day before he was planning.
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Speaker 8: The evidence was showing that the day before he talked
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Speaker 8: about uh actually playing golf, but he changed his plans
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Speaker 8: based on the weather. My recollection of evidence of that.
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Speaker 8: But the next day he changed his mind and decided
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Speaker 8: to go to the Berkeley Marina.
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Speaker 1: You know what you're saying and with me is high
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Speaker 1: profile defense lawyer Laura your Retsian. So there was so
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Speaker 1: bad he couldn't play golf, so he went out on
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Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay to go fishing with me, an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. Lawyer Retzi, and who you've already heard from,
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Speaker 1: LA lawyer, doctor Debbie Joffey Ellis, psychologist as a professor
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Speaker 1: Columbia University. A doctor Debbie Jeffyellis dot com. Stephen A. Lampley, detective,
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Speaker 1: author of twelve and Murdered on Amazon at Stephen Lampley
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Speaker 1: dot com. Jennifer Schen forensic pathologist, former San Diego Police
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Speaker 1: Department Crime Lab director, but now to crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Alexis Terreschuk joining me from California. Alexis Terreschuk,
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Speaker 1: you and I went through the entire trial together. We
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Speaker 1: never missed a day of court, Alexis Terrestchuk. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, the evidence did prove at trial that
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Speaker 1: what the father in law, Lacey's father father was saying
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Speaker 1: is what Scott Peterson told him. That morning. Peterson did
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Speaker 1: not call to report his wife missing. He called Lacey's
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Speaker 1: parents instead and said he'd been playing golf, Alexis.
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Speaker 9: You're exactly right. This is Scott's first story was presented
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Speaker 9: in court, and it was that he was playing golf.
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Speaker 9: He called the family, lacey'som and dad and said, I
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Speaker 9: haven't seen Lacy. I've been out all day. I was golf,
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Speaker 9: saying I can't get much with her. Have y'all seen her?
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Speaker 9: And they immediately panicked they called the police. The husband,
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Speaker 9: the father of a baby who was about be born
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Speaker 9: any second, did not call the police.
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Speaker 1: And taking the death penalty off the table for Scott
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Speaker 1: Peterson on a technicality, the California Supreme Court never says
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Speaker 1: that he did not kill his wife. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, they make it very clear they do think
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Speaker 1: he killed his wife. They go on to say in
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Speaker 1: the ruling quote, they point to considerable circumstantial evidence incriminating
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Speaker 1: Peterson in the Christmas Eve disappearance and death of his pregnant,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven year old wife, Lacey. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends a KABC seven LA.
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Speaker 10: Convicted killer Scott Peterson has won his death row appeal.
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Speaker 10: The California Supreme Court this morning has overturned his death sentence,
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Speaker 10: but not the conviction on first degree murder. Sixteen years ago,
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Speaker 10: Peterson was found guilty of murdering his pregnant wife, Lacy
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Speaker 10: in modesto. He challenged both the murder conviction and the
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Speaker 10: death sentence, claiming widespread media attention and errors in jury
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Speaker 10: selection deprived him of a.
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Speaker 6: Fair trialph Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the inmate who
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Speaker 6: attacked convicted killer Scott Peterson behind bars last week, said
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Speaker 6: it was all just a misunderstanding.
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Speaker 1: He later said it was God's plan for sure. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a misunderstanding to me. That sounds more
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Speaker 1: like a divine directive in the mind of inmate Miles.
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Speaker 1: This is what we understand happened. Charles Miles thirty nine
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Speaker 1: stated that Peterson was playing pickleball when he Miles mistakenly
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Speaker 1: believed Peterson was approaching him with a weapon. The weapon
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Speaker 1: a pickleball paddle. According to Peterson, he was retrieving a
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Speaker 1: pickleball ball when Miles, nearby on a recreation path, reportedly
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Speaker 1: attacked him and pummeled Peterson in the face. Boo who
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Speaker 1: there has actually been an outpouring of sympathy for Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 1: Can I remind everybody in two words, Lacey her take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC's twenty twenty.
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Speaker 11: The last time I saw Lacey, she and I were
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Speaker 11: sitting inside by side and Scott was sitting on the
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Speaker 11: floor and we were watching TV. And she said the
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Speaker 11: baby was kicking, so I put my hand on her
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Speaker 11: stomach because I'd never felt him kick. She leaned over
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Speaker 11: to me and she said, Mom. She says Scott doesn't
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Speaker 11: like to do this. She said, I asked him to
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Speaker 11: feel my stomach when the baby kicks, and he never
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Speaker 11: wants to touch my stomach. That really really bothered me,
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Speaker 11: and that was the last time I saw her.
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Speaker 7: It seems as if Lacey had planned all along to
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Speaker 7: have children and that was understood going into it. But
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Speaker 7: if you analyze their marriage, seems that when she got pregnant.
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Speaker 1: With Connor, things started going sideways. Going sideways is one
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Speaker 1: way of putting it back to you. Alexis Teresha Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter. They made it very clear
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Speaker 1: that there's a mountain of evidence to convict Peterson for
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Speaker 1: the murders of Lacy and Connor. The baby. Their body
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Speaker 1: is washed ashore twenty four hours apart, and it's quite
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Speaker 1: the coincidence, isn't it, Alexis Tereschuk, that Scott Peterson is
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Speaker 1: fishing and the exact same spot in the body of
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Speaker 1: water where his wife's body and his baby's body are
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Speaker 1: found at the time of their disappearance.
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Speaker 9: And this was a place where he lied about going.
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Speaker 9: First he said he was golfing. Then when there was
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Speaker 9: evidence that he was there, then he fessed up that
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Speaker 9: he was there. This is shocking, but this is what
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Speaker 9: the court did say. They are saying, none of your nonsense, Scott,
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Speaker 9: none of his pre trial. It's the trials blaming Nancy Grays,
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Speaker 9: blaming all the recorders that were there that had nothing
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Speaker 9: to do with the fact that you are guilty. Killed
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Speaker 9: your wife, killed your baby, and you lied about it.
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Speaker 9: And when you were caught, you were at.
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Speaker 8: The bottom of the state.
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Speaker 9: You had bleached blonde hair, ten thousand dollars in cash,
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Speaker 9: He had your brother's idea on you. You were not
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Speaker 9: doing anything. You weren't out trying to help find your
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Speaker 9: wife or your missing baby, like the parents and the
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Speaker 9: thousands that we know that are innocent. You know, I
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Speaker 9: always just think of those people, especially I always think
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Speaker 9: of Polyklaus's dad, who was just said do anything. I
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Speaker 9: will do anything to let you know that I had
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Speaker 9: nothing to do with this, not Scott Peterson. He was
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Speaker 9: doing nothing to make people think he was innocent, and
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Speaker 9: the court upheld that he is not innocent of murder.
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Speaker 9: He is guilty of murder.
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Speaker 1: To Steven Lampley, detective, author of twelve and Murdered on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to really compelling
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Speaker 1: evidence in my mind. This is from Fox News special
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Speaker 1: to Scott Peterson case. Take a listen.
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Speaker 12: He takes his new boat that he had purchased, and
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Speaker 12: he comes here to launch the boat.
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Speaker 1: Her husband reported or missing after he returned from a
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Speaker 1: fishing trip, a trip he took by himself or Her
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Speaker 1: husband says he went fishing at marina the day she disappeared,
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Speaker 1: so investigators are searching that marina for the mystery here.
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Speaker 2: In Modesto, fueled in large part by Scott Peterson's alibi,
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Speaker 2: which remains flimsy at best.
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Speaker 13: He comes home later in the day, realizes that she's
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Speaker 13: not there, figures she's somewhere else running errands, doing something
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Speaker 13: for Christmas Eve, and takes the time to put his
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Speaker 13: clothes in the wash, take a shower, have a snack,
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Speaker 13: and then realizes maybe I should call somebody.
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Speaker 12: So here's what's unusual. Scott decides to call Lacey's mother.
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Speaker 12: Doesn't say have you spoken to Lacey today? Do you
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Speaker 12: know where she is? He says, Lacey is missing.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Stephen Lampley and doctor Debbie Joffy,
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Speaker 1: Ella psychologist and professor Columbia University. You know, when I
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Speaker 1: have not been able to find let's just say John David.
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Speaker 1: I call my husband and say, do you have John David.
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Speaker 1: I don't say John day David is missing. That's a
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Speaker 1: very critical, subtle but critical point, doctor Debbie.
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Speaker 4: Maybe it isn't, Maybe it isn't nancid, it's I really
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Speaker 4: could only give a more substantial opinion if I heard
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Speaker 4: him use or not use that phrase often. You know,
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Speaker 4: sometimes we bandy around words and phrases and they may
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Speaker 4: indicate something as you're implying or not interesting.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, what do you make of Peterson placing himself
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Speaker 1: where the body is found and placing himself there at
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Speaker 1: the time she goes missing?
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Speaker 5: Well, as I'm guessing perhaps that he's thinking, and again
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Speaker 5: I don't know what Scott was thinking, perhaps he knows
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Speaker 5: that he was not golfing. Maybe he's making an excuse
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Speaker 5: for where he really really was at the time, an
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Speaker 5: alibi of sorts to cover the fact that he was
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Speaker 5: fishing instead of dumping a body. Perhaps that would be
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Speaker 5: my idea, that he thinks he was going to be
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Speaker 5: caught by not golfing, so he fatzes up to the
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Speaker 5: fact that he was at the ocean for whatever reason,
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Speaker 5: and reality he was really there.
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Speaker 1: Take a little star.
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Speaker 14: Friends at Fox News, I realized they were zeroing in
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Speaker 14: on Scott. We just knew his actions were suspicious and
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Speaker 14: something was going on, and clearly his fishing story was
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Speaker 14: not adding up.
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Speaker 13: One of the things you do as a reporter is
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Speaker 13: you go up and down. You talk to everybody that
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Speaker 13: you possibly can. I went over to the neighbor's house
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Speaker 13: that lives directly across the street. The neighbor remembered Scott
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Speaker 13: coming over to her house looking for Lacey, and she said, well,
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Speaker 13: where were you? It's Christmas Eve and he said, I
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Speaker 13: was playing golf. So the fact that that story differed
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Speaker 13: from what we then heard was his alibi and where
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Speaker 13: he says he was was very upsetting.
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Speaker 1: Back out to high profile criminal defense attorney, no stranger
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Speaker 1: to a courtroom. You're at c and that makes two people.
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Speaker 1: He told he was playing golf that morning. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of it?
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Speaker 8: What I make of it is what a detail law
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Speaker 8: enforcement when he was being questioned. Those are the people
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Speaker 8: he needs to tell the truth through the people who
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Speaker 8: were investigating, and he was extremely honest with them. He
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Speaker 8: told him exactly where he's been, no hesitation, and he
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Speaker 8: also was very helpful. He was searching for his wife,
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Speaker 8: he was making calls. This idea that he took a
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Speaker 8: Lacy's body and dumped it at the bay in San
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Speaker 8: Francisco Bay is ridiculous. There's zero, zero forensic evidence showing
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Speaker 8: that he did it. There was nothing, zero forensic evidence
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Speaker 8: in his truck, zero forensic evidence. Really leading is showing
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Speaker 8: that there was a body or her body in that boat,
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Speaker 8: or that he was even able to dump that body
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Speaker 8: from that small boat, an exposed boat covered anyone could
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Speaker 8: have seen it. So this idea that he did that.
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Speaker 1: You mean anyone out in the middle of San Francisco
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Speaker 1: Bay during wind and storm and rain, I e. Nobody
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Speaker 1: would have seen it. Nobody was out where he was.
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Speaker 8: We're assuming it was storm and rain. There was no
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Speaker 8: evidence that it was storm and rain. It wasn't the
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Speaker 8: greatest of the weather.
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Speaker 1: I thought, that's why I didn't go golfing because of
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Speaker 1: the bad weather.
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Speaker 8: Well we're talking about bad weather where he was living
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Speaker 8: in Modesto. This is not Modesto.
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Speaker 1: You know. That's why you are such a great law
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Speaker 1: lawyer at Laura at urets him because my question to
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Speaker 1: you was, why did he tell some people he was
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Speaker 1: playing golf then change his story to he was fishing?
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Speaker 1: And you said what mattered was what he told cops.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, and my question is why
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Speaker 1: did he change his story, Not that he told cops
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Speaker 1: first he was golfing. He didn't. By then you realized
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Speaker 1: people had spotted him at the bay. He had to
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Speaker 1: tell them. But he told other people that day, not
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Speaker 1: the day before I was planning to go golfing, but
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Speaker 1: that day that he had been golfing. You also mentioned
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Speaker 1: that he was so forthcoming and so helpful. In fact,
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Speaker 1: he told the cops what a great marriage he had.
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Speaker 1: But seems like he left something out. Take to listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at court, TV.
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Speaker 15: Amber tells the detectives she's been seeing Scott Peterson only
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Speaker 15: a few weeks, but they're already talking marriage. On December ninth,
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Speaker 15: she recalls he broke down sobbing that he had quote
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Speaker 15: lost his wife. That's the same day Scott secretly bought
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Speaker 15: his boat. Detective Brokiny knows he's onto something.
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Speaker 6: I mean, he told Amber that he had lost his
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Speaker 6: wife when she wasn't lost, and so that I mean
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Speaker 6: to me, that was a key.
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Speaker 15: Detectives ask Ambert to secretly record all future conversations with Scott.
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Speaker 16: She agrees.
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Speaker 15: They're also determined that no one will find out about her.
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Speaker 15: That afternoon, the detectives take Amber to buy the reporting equipment,
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Speaker 15: and then her phone rings.
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Speaker 1: It's Scott inmate Charles R. Miles makes no apologies for
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Speaker 1: attacking Scott Peterson behind bars. In a phone interview, Miles
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Speaker 1: said he didn't recognize Peterson and mistakenly thought Peterson was
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Speaker 1: charging him with a weapon. It was actually a pickleball
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Speaker 1: paddle and Peterson was running after a runaway pickleball, according
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Speaker 1: to Peterson. Miles offering no apologies, could it possibly be
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Speaker 1: he did not know it was Scott Peterson? If he
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Speaker 1: didn't know it was Scott Peterson, Why did he say
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Speaker 1: it was God's plan for sure? Now, we were just
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Speaker 1: speaking to high profile lawyer Laura euretsy And who stated
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Speaker 1: that Peterson was completely honest, forthcoming and helpful about finding
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Speaker 1: his wife. The reality is he didn't call nine one mon.
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Speaker 1: He waited for hours before he even called Lacey's parents
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Speaker 1: to tell them he couldn't find her, that she was missing.
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Speaker 1: He immediately asked if his family would have grief counseling.
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Speaker 1: But there's this little thing he left out when he
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Speaker 1: was being so forthcoming with the cops.
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Speaker 16: Listen, well, yes, Scott continues to call Amber, and detectives
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Speaker 16: are intent.
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Speaker 15: On getting him to repeat something he told her just
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Speaker 15: before Lacey disappeared, those four short but incriminating words, I
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Speaker 15: lost my wife.
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Speaker 12: You came and told me this elaborate night about her
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Speaker 12: missing and this tragedy and that and that that this
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Speaker 12: will be the first holidays without her.
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Speaker 6: Amber.
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Speaker 8: God, I don't want to play with you, but you
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Speaker 8: know that I.
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Speaker 17: Or miss Oh.
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Speaker 12: Yes, you said you've lost.
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Speaker 11: Your wife, obviously.
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Speaker 13: Without me saying much, but we were.
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Speaker 16: Yes you did, I did, bingo. This is what investigators
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Speaker 16: needed for us.
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Speaker 10: That was a huge statement on his part, because how
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Speaker 10: do you how do you predict that?
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Speaker 6: I mean, how do.
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Speaker 9: You you know you're going to come up with a lie
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Speaker 9: about that to try and woo some girl into a
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Speaker 9: romance that you're not supposed to be part of, and
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Speaker 9: then all of a sudden it comes true.
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Speaker 1: So Laura uretsim with me, high profile criminal defense attorney
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Speaker 1: out of la Laura, do you believe in clairvoyance? So
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson said, just before Lacey goes missing and ends
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Speaker 1: up murdered, that he had just lost his wife and
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Speaker 1: this would be the first Christmas without her, and it
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Speaker 1: all turned out to be true. You think he's psychic.
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Speaker 8: My question is, if Scott Peterson was really planning on
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Speaker 8: murdering his wife, is that what he would be telling
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Speaker 8: someone who's only he's only been dating for a couple
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Speaker 8: of weeks, that's all.
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Speaker 1: It was a few weeks and talking about getting married.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, how many men have said that to him just
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Speaker 8: to get into bed with them. I mean, it's not
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Speaker 8: a surprise yet was he being was he lying to
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Speaker 8: or was he cheating on his wife? But the idea
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Speaker 8: that he would tell someone who just he'd been with
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Speaker 8: just a couple of weeks that you know, and whatever
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Speaker 8: he said is really and I glimpsed into what he
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Speaker 8: was thinking, and that he was planning to kill his
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Speaker 8: wife is ridiculous. Yes, of course the prosecution made a
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Speaker 8: huge deal out of.
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Speaker 1: That, because he says his wife is dead and that
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Speaker 1: this is the first Christmas he'll have without her, and
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Speaker 1: then a couple of days later she is dead and
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Speaker 1: it's the first Christmas without her. She goes missing Christmas Eve.
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Speaker 1: I don't care why.
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Speaker 8: With him that, you know what, It almost doesn't matter.
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Speaker 8: Just just because he said that to her, it doesn't
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Speaker 8: mean that he was planning to kill his wife. It
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Speaker 8: really shows you that he'll do anything, uh to be with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know you said it, you said,
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Speaker 1: Lawyer your red said, you said it. He'll do anything,
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Speaker 1: including killing. Why you said he'll Apparently did jury disagree.
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Speaker 8: This wasn't his first affair.
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Speaker 1: They know.
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Speaker 8: It just doesn't mean just because someone's had an affair,
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Speaker 8: it doesn't yet it looks awful, It doesn't look great.
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Speaker 1: It does look let's talk about the other evidence. Lawyer
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Speaker 1: of your Red sand is right in the sense that
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Speaker 1: one nail does not a coffin seal. What else is
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Speaker 1: the evidence.
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Speaker 9: Well, the evidence that they had was that they had
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Speaker 9: a dog. And I know that this is controversial, but
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Speaker 9: there was a dog and they found the scent of
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Speaker 9: Lazy at her home. Obviously, but this stopped. She didn't.
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Speaker 9: The dog determined that she'd gott into a vehicle, not
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Speaker 9: that she walked away. So it wasn't that she was
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Speaker 9: kidnapped in the park or something happened somewhere else.
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Speaker 1: You know what I want to talk about. That hold
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Speaker 1: your thought, Alexis because I want to go through what
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Speaker 1: you're saying, and then we'll have Laura Uretzy and way
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Speaker 1: in because I'm sure she's going to discredit the dog. Guys,
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Speaker 1: don't be angry with her. She's a defense lawyer. This
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Speaker 1: is what she does for a living, and she is
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Speaker 1: a master at it. To Jennifer S. Sheen, forensic pathologist
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Speaker 1: the former San Diego Police Department Crime Lab director, Jennifer Schen,
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Speaker 1: the dog followed Lacey's sent to where the car was parked,
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Speaker 1: and then it seemingly cut off. The dog followed a
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Speaker 1: scent all the way to the San Francisco Bay from
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Speaker 1: the home all the way to the bay. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of a h.
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Speaker 17: Well, I think about the dogs, they are incredibly they
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Speaker 17: are incredibly sensitive, and they can they can really give
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Speaker 17: investigators a lot of information. So I think it's reasonable
26:12
Speaker 17: that if she was taken away in a car, that
26:14
Speaker 17: the dog would be able to smell her from the
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Speaker 17: house to the car, and then once they were at
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Speaker 17: the bay, that you could then tick that scent up again.
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Speaker 17: And I obviously they found the bodies where the dogs
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Speaker 17: said they were, so there certainly was a lot of
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Speaker 17: delidity to that dog used for this sort of thing
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Speaker 17: all the time and.
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Speaker 8: Is very very successful.
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Speaker 5: But they are dogs, and you know there.
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Speaker 17: Are certainly it isn't one hundred percent, obviously, and there's
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Speaker 17: some there's some there's some talk about the fact that
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Speaker 17: they aren't as scientifically valid as you might want them
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Speaker 17: to be. But in this case, I think the dog
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Speaker 17: did a very good job.
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Speaker 1: To Steven Lampley, former detective, author of twelve and Murdered
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Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com, a search dog handler testified
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Speaker 1: that her caneine picked up Lacey peterson scent at a
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Speaker 1: pylon at the Berkeley Marina where Scott Peterson launched what
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Speaker 1: he says was a solo fishing trip the day his
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Speaker 1: wife vanished. The dog handler was Eloise Anderson. She was
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Speaker 1: with the Contra Costa County Search and Rescue Team. Her
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Speaker 1: dog was a lab named Tremble, and Tremble hit on
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Speaker 1: the scent four days after Peterson reported his pregnant wife
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Speaker 1: missing to her parents, not the police. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of dog evidence, Stephen Lampley? I've used it many
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Speaker 1: many times in court, and it's sanctioned by the court,
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Speaker 1: just like polygraphs in civil cases, just like fingerprints, just
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Speaker 1: like DNA. This is a form of evidence that is
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Speaker 1: court sanctioned. What do you make of it? In fact,
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Speaker 1: I've told people the best witness I've ever put on
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Speaker 1: the stand was a dog. Go ahead, Steve, That's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Dogs have no reason to lie. So the dogs are
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Speaker 5: really accurate. Now, some dogs are more accurate than others.
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Speaker 5: We know that the dog, dog tracking and dog evidence
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Speaker 5: is very reliable for the most part. It's very accurate
28:19
Speaker 5: for the most part. Again, like I said, we have
28:21
Speaker 5: some animals that are better than others. But if this
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Speaker 5: dog in this case picks up her scent at home,
28:28
Speaker 5: then we skip to the to the marino or on
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Speaker 5: the on the ocean and he picks her scent up
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Speaker 5: there or doesn't. It's it's a very reliable evidence, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: very it's very reliable.
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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, buck are your seat build Here she comes. Laura,
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Speaker 1: you're atsian. What's wrong with the dog?
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Speaker 8: Well, this is the same dog that failed twice out
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Speaker 8: of three times in vehicle trails, right, So this is
28:55
Speaker 8: not a very accurate dog, and this is not one
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Speaker 8: that's very reliable, and argue it really is far as
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Speaker 8: i'sh to argue that this is reliable evident.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So let me understand something, Laura. You agree that
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Speaker 1: the death penalty, that the court was right by reversing
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Speaker 1: the death penalty. Of course I disagree, but you disagree
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Speaker 1: with the same court that agreed with the prosecution's version, including,
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Speaker 1: as they said, dog scent and ocean current evidence. So
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Speaker 1: you agree with the court, but not when it suits you.
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Speaker 8: I agree with the court as far as overturning the
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Speaker 8: death penalty, but clearly you are right. I disagree with
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Speaker 8: the court on there. But this is the appellate court.
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Speaker 8: The standard is very different than what it is for
29:45
Speaker 8: a jury and a jury trial, and it would take
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Speaker 8: more than if there's enough circustancial evidence. The court's going
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Speaker 8: to leave. It's not going to touch the conviction. What
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Speaker 8: hopefully may happen in the future is if there's some
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Speaker 8: evidence that was not known at the time, new evidence
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Speaker 8: that's comes forth and that's brought in, the court can
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Speaker 8: look at this again and decide based on that evidence
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Speaker 8: that we added all of that into the mix, what
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Speaker 8: the jury's decision.
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Speaker 1: Would you know what you lost me a long time ago?
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Speaker 1: And I've got a j d. And a master's from
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Speaker 1: n y u H, So I'm going to try to
30:29
Speaker 1: figure out what that very long sentence I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: it rich.
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Speaker 8: What I'm talking is about the future.
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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Yes
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Speaker 1: it was a pickleball beat down. But before you shed
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Speaker 1: a tear for Scott Paterson at some headlines claiming he
31:02
Speaker 1: is quote recovering from injuries. Both inmates were evaluated and
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Speaker 1: sent back to their cells with no serious injuries, according
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Speaker 1: to the California Department of Prisons and Rehabilitation. According to
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Speaker 1: the California Department of Prisons, I guarantee you if the
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Speaker 1: injuries sustained have been serious, we would be seeing photos
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Speaker 1: and there would be a mass outpouring of sympathy for
31:28
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, but what about for Lacy and Connor? When
31:35
Speaker 1: Connor's body was found, as I recall, his body was
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Speaker 1: found first, But my point is their bodies were drastically different.
31:49
Speaker 1: Connor's body, according to eyewitnesses, looked like a little naked
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Speaker 1: baby doll stain there on the beach. Lacey's body, however,
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Speaker 1: was horribly decomposed, but even in death, she protected her baby.
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Speaker 1: Some of the strongest muscle and tissue in the human
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Speaker 1: body is the uterus that surrounds the baby, and for
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Speaker 1: all the months that Lacey drifted in the tides, her
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Speaker 1: body slowly decomposing, that strong muscle tissue protected Connor until
32:46
Speaker 1: in the end he floated out of her uterus as
32:51
Speaker 1: it decomposed. Therefore, his little body was pristined. Her body
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Speaker 1: was greatly decomposed, and the state says she was still
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Speaker 1: wearing the same clothes she was wearing the night before
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Speaker 1: she disappeared. Part of the defense at trial was that
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Speaker 1: someone else murdered Lacey for what and then framed went
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Speaker 1: to the trouble to frame Scott Peterson. That was after
33:30
Speaker 1: many many other ploys were tested out on the public
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Speaker 1: via the media, and they didn't work. For instance, drug dealers,
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Speaker 1: a Hawaiian gang, a burglar across the street, thugs in
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Speaker 1: the park. I mean, it went on a mother, a
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Speaker 1: woman who wanted to be a mother somewhere, cut the
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Speaker 1: baby out and then kept Lacy alive for a while
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Speaker 1: and killed her. There were so and then got rid
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Speaker 1: of the baby too. There were so many zany things,
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Speaker 1: But finally it was decided that defense would go with
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Speaker 1: someone else killed her and then decided to frame Peterson.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, Laura Uretzian, high profile
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney LA doctor, Debbie Joffy, Ella psychologist, Stephen Lampley,
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Speaker 1: detective Jennifer Shen, forensic pathologists, and Alexis Tereschuk. Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Jennifer Schen, could you explain the
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Speaker 1: forensic evidence we know of in the case and how
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Speaker 1: the bodies had decayed so differently at the time of
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Speaker 1: their discovery and it.
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Speaker 17: Really wasn't less forensic evidence in this case. I think
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Speaker 17: one that was somewhat important was that one of Lacey's
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Speaker 17: apparently one of Lacey's Harry's, found on some choirs in
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Speaker 17: the boat, and this was a boat she didn't know
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Speaker 17: about and hadn't visited, so that was certainly of interest.
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Speaker 17: They did mitochondrial DNA on that, which is not as
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Speaker 17: as good as a nuclear DNA, but still there's still
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Speaker 17: a good piece of evidence the body.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying that it was Lacey's hair in the
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Speaker 1: pliers based on mitochondrial DNA?
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Speaker 17: That is what the mitochondrial DNA showed.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true that mitochondrial DNA is used every
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Speaker 1: single day? It is based on the lineage of the mother.
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Speaker 17: Correct, That is correct? Go ahead, place quite as accurate.
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Speaker 17: It's not quite as accurate as identifying the.
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Speaker 1: Nuclear DNA right where you have the father and the mother,
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Speaker 1: the decomposition of the bodies. Isn't it true, Jennifer, that
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Speaker 1: you yourself have advanced cases that had mitochondrial DNA.
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Speaker 17: Yes, who definitely worked with mitochondrial DNA, both on humans
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Speaker 17: and on animals, so you.
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Speaker 1: Accept it as established science? Is that correct?
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Speaker 17: Oh?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Okay, because by the way you were talking, I thought
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Speaker 1: there was something wrong with mitochondrial DNA, but actually there's not.
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Speaker 1: The reason for this reversal, is that not because of media?
36:01
Speaker 1: Not because of blaming me. I forgot about that one.
36:04
Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me, but it's always your fault
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Speaker 1: forget good times. But because the court said that while
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Speaker 1: the jury was okay as far as guilt innocence, the
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Speaker 1: jury was fine for that, but the jury was not
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Speaker 1: okay for the penalty phase. Because about thirteen out of
36:27
Speaker 1: how many thirteen fourteen hundred jurors that were first gleaned
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Speaker 1: were not questioned separately when they said, I don't believe
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Speaker 1: in the death penalty, but I would follow the law.
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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? They were not what died. Jury questioned.
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Speaker 1: Juror questioned separately, is that right? Explain to me why
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Speaker 1: they're doing this.
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Speaker 9: So the drums were actually let go by the judge
36:58
Speaker 9: when they get that statement that they they personally didn't
37:02
Speaker 9: believe in the death penalty, but they could consider it
37:04
Speaker 9: for this case. He automatically let them go. And he didn't.
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Speaker 9: This wasn't counted against the prosecution or the defense's number
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Speaker 9: of strikes that they can have. You can't can't have
37:14
Speaker 9: unlimited numbers. So then you say, oh, it's we're out
37:16
Speaker 9: of jurors, just can't have a case. You only get
37:19
Speaker 9: a certain amount. So the judge let these thirteen go.
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Speaker 9: And what the Appeals Court has said is that that
37:25
Speaker 9: goes against everything that should be the process during jury selection.
37:31
Speaker 9: That this is a Supreme Court. This is obviously that
37:33
Speaker 9: some of the Supreme Court has been very clear about
37:35
Speaker 9: for a very long time. But the judge made an
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Speaker 9: error in allowing these jurors to be dismissed, not allowing
37:42
Speaker 9: he dismissed them, got it, and that they should not have.
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Speaker 1: Been these So the Appellate Court cancel Peterson's death sentence
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Speaker 1: because Judge Deluky, according to them and properly excused thirteen
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Speaker 1: prospective jurors in a pool of fifteen hundred, one thousand,
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Speaker 1: five hundred people who had filled out written jui our questionnaires.
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Speaker 1: The thirteen professed that they were opposed to the DP,
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Speaker 1: but the court said the judge should have verbally questioned
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Speaker 1: them instead of dismissing them. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,