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The DiCecco Daily: Comprehensive Look At Eagles QB Room Headed Into Free Agency, Draft · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's going on everybody. This is to check O Daily.
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  Speaker 1: I am Andrew de check O, Eagles beat reporter Friendsidethebirds
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: dot Com. I hope everyone enjoyed the most recent podcast
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: that I did, where I sat down with former Eagles
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: fullback Josh Parry. That's something. These interviews are something that
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: I'm looking to weave in in conjunction with my daily
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  Speaker 1: podcast to bring you guys some extra off season content.
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: And I really pride myself on identifying former Eagles that
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: have really compelling stories and then allowing those subjects to
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: share those stories. I kind of get out of the
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: way and I let them revisit their playing career and
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun. I talked to Jeff
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: Thomas in the week before, Josh Parry earlier this week,
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  Speaker 1: and I have some other ones in the pipeline that
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: we'll have throughout the off season for you. But today
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  Speaker 1: we're going to look at the quarterback room, much like
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I look at the tight end room earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll first start by saying that the Eagles seemingly
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: have a new quarterbacks coach, and as was reported by
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  Speaker 1: Matt Zenitz of CBS Sports, the Eagles are expected to
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  Speaker 1: name Parks Fraser the quarterbacks coach for the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixth season. Nothing's been confirmed yet, but that seems to
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  Speaker 1: be the way the Eagles are leaning, meaning that Scott
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  Speaker 1: Leffler and I know that there seemed to be a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Scott Leffler fans out there, won't be in
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  Speaker 1: the mix this season. Parks Fraser was on staff last
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  Speaker 1: year as the past game coordinator. I know many of
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: you when you hear that, are going to roll your
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  Speaker 1: eyes because it left a lot to be desired last season. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't all bad jaywhen Hurts through for a career
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  Speaker 1: high in touchdowns, and it had some moments, although they
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  Speaker 1: were pretty infrequent. But this is a thirty four year
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  Speaker 1: old coach. He came over last season as the pass
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  Speaker 1: game cord under Kevin Petullo and Nick Sirianni. And he's
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  Speaker 1: a coach that when you look at his resume, you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to be wild because he's young, so he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't had a lot of opportunities. But he was once
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  Speaker 1: upon a time a quarterbacks coach and assistant quarterbacks coach
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  Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts. He was the interim head offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator under Jeff's Saturday when Jeff Saturday replaced Frank Reich.
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  Speaker 1: And so that right there is probably the most eye
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  Speaker 1: popping part of his resume that he has called plays before.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you also have to wonder about that
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  Speaker 1: aspect because when the offense was struggling last season, the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles seemingly didn't have anyone else that they could turn to,
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  Speaker 1: and so they continue to keep Kevin Petullo in that role.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't turn to Parks Frasier, that didn't turn to
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  Speaker 1: Scott Leffler or whoever else you want to name. But
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  Speaker 1: this is a young coach who obviously has familiarity with
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  Speaker 1: jaywhen Hursts. Jay when Hurts seems to have comfortability that
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  Speaker 1: can be suggested with that with that reassignment. But there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a tall task here for Parks Frasier
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  Speaker 1: in getting Jaywen Hurts to play to the level that
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  Speaker 1: he played in years past. You've seen glimpses, but last
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  Speaker 1: season was not a great season for Jalalen Hurts. Wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a good season for the offense in general. But let's
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  Speaker 1: start to unpack now that we've sort of gotten past
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  Speaker 1: the presumed quarterbacks coach, the quarterback room itself, Jayalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: is now going to be faced with a tall task,
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  Speaker 1: probably the most challenging year, at least on the surface
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  Speaker 1: of his career, because he's going to be asked to
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  Speaker 1: do things that presumably, and I say presumably, because we
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  Speaker 1: don't quite know what the offense is going to look
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  Speaker 1: like yet. All we have to go off of is
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  Speaker 1: the influences of that Sean Mannion has in his past.
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  Speaker 1: But based off of that, this is something that is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a stark contrast compared to what Jaywen
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: Hurts has had to do in the past. So you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see a West Coast offense. So the ball's
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: got to come out on time, the throwing the throwing game,
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  Speaker 1: the passing game has to be in rhythm. You have
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  Speaker 1: to make quick decisions. I would like to see Jayalen
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: Hurts run a little bit more this year, but I
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  Speaker 1: think you're going to see him tested in a way
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  Speaker 1: you haven't seen before. And that's not to say he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be the only person who's tested the offense
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  Speaker 1: as a whole. I think that you're going to see
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  Speaker 1: some different intricacies in the run game, and with Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Mahaffey now the run game coordinator coming over from Green Bay,
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  Speaker 1: you're likely going to see some different schematics and how
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: they approach the run game. But looking at it through
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  Speaker 1: the lens of Jalen Hurts, this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the big question because Kellen Moore, let's not forget, came
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  Speaker 1: in in twenty twenty four with the expectation of bringing
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: in a lot of motion, a lot of usage of
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  Speaker 1: eleven personnel and getting that third receiver into the mix
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  Speaker 1: and middle of the field throws. It came over and
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  Speaker 1: when he did come to Philadelphia, I remember seeing on
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  Speaker 1: social media beware of the hitches, Here come the hitch routes.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something that has stayed in the Eagles offensive playbook.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty much a hallmark and a lot of teams
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  Speaker 1: playbooks that's the Eagles aren't exclusive to that. But the
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  Speaker 1: point is is that when kell Moore came over, you
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  Speaker 1: expected to see drastic changes, and for the first four
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  Speaker 1: weeks more or less, you saw that it didn't go well.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles turned the ball over, the offense looked disjointed,
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  Speaker 1: and then give Kellen Moore credit, he scaled it back,
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  Speaker 1: and they reverted to an offense that suited that team more,
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  Speaker 1: and they became run heavy, and it's hard to argue
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  Speaker 1: against an offense that has a two thousand yard running back.
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  Speaker 1: There were moments in the passing game that were fine,
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  Speaker 1: like the Steelers game and the postseason, but we're cherry
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  Speaker 1: picking here. The passing game in twenty twenty four left
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  Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, if we're being completely honest.
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  Speaker 1: And so you look at this year. We expect Sean
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  Speaker 1: manni and to bring in a lot more under center principles,
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  Speaker 1: middle of the field utilization, quick decision making, you know,
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  Speaker 1: motion and all those things, but we don't yet know
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  Speaker 1: what the offense is ultimately going to look like. They
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  Speaker 1: may try to implement that in Philadelphia in twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: and they may end up having to scale it back
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  Speaker 1: much like they did with Kellen Moore. And any good
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  Speaker 1: coach that you bring in is going to tailor the
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  Speaker 1: offense to accentuate the strengths of your players. But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's also unfair to suggest that Jalen Hurts can't
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  Speaker 1: do it because he hasn't really been asked to do it.
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  Speaker 1: He's done it, not consistently. That's the key. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: moments where he's throwing over the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen moments with the passing game, throwing with anticipation
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  Speaker 1: and all those things you would like to see, but
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been on a consistent basis. So if the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles quickly find that that's not their most successful resci well,
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: if Sean Mannian is a good coach and it's sharp
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  Speaker 1: minded as he's being billed, you're going to alter the
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  Speaker 1: offense to fit the strengths of your players. I go
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  Speaker 1: back to the square peg round hole. But Jalen's proven
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  Speaker 1: to be coachable. He's obviously a coach's son. He's talked
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  Speaker 1: about like appreciating being coached hard and challenges and all that.
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  Speaker 1: But make no mistake about it, this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a drastic departure from what he's used to since
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: being the starting quarterback in Philadelphia. He's no stranger to
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: I guess change because this is now going to be
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: his sixth quarterback coach. He's had a number of offensive coordinators,
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: so he is adaptable. But I think he also deserves
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt that he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to capably execute something new and for the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: offense to ultimately evolve and become something to something on
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  Speaker 1: the level of some of the more preeminent offense in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL and modernize things. You got to give him
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: that opportunity to do so. But I think right now
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  Speaker 1: where Jalen Hurts is, He's done some really good things.
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  Speaker 1: He's won a ton of games in Philadelphia. The Eagles
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: have been really successful playing a certain style. Twenty five
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns last season, Super Bowl MVP. I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: go through the resume, but this offense is going to
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  Speaker 1: be predicated on whether or not Jalen Hurts is able
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  Speaker 1: to adapt to this kind of change. I go back
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  Speaker 1: to He's dealt with a lot of change in his career.
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  Speaker 1: But fundamentally and structurally, this is going to be for
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  Speaker 1: what we expect a very new look Eagles offense. I
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  Speaker 1: don't like looking at what they did, what Sean Mannion
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  Speaker 1: did in the past, the coaches that he brought in,
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  Speaker 1: and this and that, because we should have learned our
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  Speaker 1: lesson from Kellen Moore. So it would be disingenuous for
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  Speaker 1: me to sit here and tell you all, yeah, they're
• 9:01
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• 9:03
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  Speaker 1: But I think the Eagles have the right quarterback and
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: the right mental makeup to be able to embrace this
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: kind of change. Whether or not it ultimately works out,
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing, but we're gonna find out.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is a really big season for
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurdson for the offense as a whole. Now, as
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: we look towards the other quarterbacks in the room, Tanner McKee,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Tanner McKee, he's had great training camps, he's had good preseasons,
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: he's had good moments, and he's had to be called
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: upon in the regular season. Really just the end of
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four season is when I'm speaking on then.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't really perform well when he was pressed into
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: service in the twenty twenty five season, but he is
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: a good quarterback. I think there are some who try
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: to make him out to be something that he isn't.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not a larger than life figure. He
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: has flaws in his game, just like any quarterback does.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that he does have some really good
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: traits in terms of being able to throw with anticipation.
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  Speaker 1: He has a good arm, he keeps the offense in rhythm,
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  Speaker 1: and he is someone that I think can make all
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: the throws. He can't do some of the special things
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: that a lot of the top quarterbacks in the NFL
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: can do. Look no further than Jalen Hurts, which I
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: guess while we're on the subject here, In order for
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, I think to be performing at peak levels,
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: you need to see him run the football more. I
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: think he cares just one hundred and five times last
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: season for just over four hundred yards. That is severely
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: depriving the offense of a component that makes it special,
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: that makes jaywhen Hurt special, and so you would like
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  Speaker 1: to see him do more of that. But going back
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  Speaker 1: to Tanner McKee, he is a high level backup probably
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: can start for a number of teams in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get too carried away, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there are a lot of teams who would sign
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: up for what Tanner McKee can provide. But right now,
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: unless the Eagles are blown away with a deal, I
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: can't see Tanner McKee being offloaded this offseason. He's too valuable.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles have probably more than most teams value that
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  Speaker 1: backup quarterback position, and he has had some really good
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: moments when the opportunity has presented itself. He took a
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: little bit of a step back late last season. You
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: could say that he wasn't playing with a full complement
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: of players. That's fair, but yeah, I mean he kind
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: of is who he is, and I think that when
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: you look at the state of quarterback play around the NFL, Yeah,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: there are probably a lot of teams who would sign
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: up for Tanner McKee, But right now looking at it,
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: he's a different type of quarterback than Jay when hurts,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: he's a stationary guy, and he's more of a prototypical passer,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, And I think he gives you stability
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: at that backup quarterback position. But no, I don't believe,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: barring a trade that blows the Eagles away, that Tanner
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  Speaker 1: McKee is going anywhere the third quarterback in this room
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  Speaker 1: is Sam Howell, at least for the time being. He's
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: a pending free agent for agency, by the way, is
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks away. He didn't factor into any
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: regular season game. I thought that that was a shrewd
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: maneuver to bring him in before the season. Tanner McKee
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: had the injury in training camp and it bled a
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: little bit into the regular season. So having someone there
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: like a Sam Howell provides some insurance depending on what
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: happens with Tanner McKee, depending on if the Eagles are
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed with offers or something unforeseen like that, Well, it
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: would make a lot of sense to try and keep
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Sam Howe in the fold. He's a scrappy player. He
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't have that prototypical size. He can move around the
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: pocket a little bit. He can pick up yards with
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: his legs if nothing else. I think he makes a
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  Speaker 1: really good backup where you don't have to drastically alter
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: the offense because you have a player who has plus
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: movement ability. He's played a lot of football and he's
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: a gamer. He doesn't do anything particularly I don't want
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: to say particularly well because that doesn't sound like he's
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: a good football player. I think he's a solid backup
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. But he doesn't do anything overwhelming.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have any overwhelming characteristics. I think is a
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: fair assessment here. But that was a really shrewd addition
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: to the roster before the season. Gives you someone who
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: has started games in the NFL. He's young, he was
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: cost effective. We'll see what the market looks like for him.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I assume that he's going to want to go to
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a team that gives him an opportunity to be a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: number two, maybe even a team that lets him compete
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: for a starting job. Maybe. But yeah, he didn't. There's
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: not a whole lot to really say about his time
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  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia because he didn't have to play. But he
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: added insurance and he really just a different perspective to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: add to the quarterback room, someone who's played a lot
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. But look at Jalen Hurts, look at
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Tanner McKee, and yes, I am expecting the Eagles to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: draft a quarterback. That shouldn't be viewed as a slight
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurds. It shouldn't be viewed as the Eagles
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: aren't happy with Tanner McKee, because neither of those things
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: are true, But the Eagles are billed as the quarterback factor.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I know that's often said tongue in cheek, but that's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: said for a reason. They are always looking to add
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: another young developmental arm that you can get as a
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: cost effective you can mold into a cost effect effective
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  Speaker 1: backup who knows you may be able to offload them
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: down the line in a trade. But the Eagles have
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: always been a team that will scour the quarterback market
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: in terms of the NFL Draft and try to find
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  Speaker 1: a player that they can really groom and who knows
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: down the line where whatever becomes of Tanner McKee, maybe
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he goes somewhere else and as a starter. Well, then optimally,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: if everything works out according to plan, the Eagles would
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: have that quarterback that they've drafted and developed to be
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: a backup option who obviously isn't cost prohibitive.
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  Speaker 1: But I do expect the Egos to target a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: in the draft. Where that will be whether that's day
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: two or day three, Well, that's neither here nor there.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that really put the onus on Parks
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  Speaker 1: Frasier to develop that player and the Eagles to to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: really lean into their developmental periods and things like that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to give them an opportunity to be successful. They did
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that they thought they had that in Kyle McCord last
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: year when they drafted him out of Syracuse in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: sixth round. He didn't really have a good training camp
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: at all, didn't perform well in the preseason. He's no
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: longer in Philadelphia. He signed a reserve futures deal with
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. But I would imagine that the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Eagles are going to look to try and swing the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: bat again on Day three in hopes of adding a
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: player with some kind of upside that they can develop
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But that's your quarterback synopsis here as
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I look at it heading into free agency, looks like
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: they got their quarterback coach again. We're waiting on confirmation
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: for that, but that should be the makeup of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: quarterback room in twenty twenty six. This has been to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: check odally. I'm Andrew Decheko, and I'll catch you all
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on the next one.