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What Should I Buy? - The Ones That Got Away · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Our panel of break fix petrolheads are back for another rousing
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what should I buy debate.
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Using unique shopping criteria, they are challenged to find our first
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time collector the best vehicle that will make their friends go.
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Where'd you get that?
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Or what the hell is wrong with you?
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At the next cars and coffee.
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What's going on everybody.
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This is your host of the GTM podcast, Brad, AKA the triple
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six with me as always is Eric.
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We have a few special guests tonight with us.
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We've got a couple of club members has Matt got Mr.
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Crutch himself.
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And then we've got mountain man, Dan.
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Today's episode.
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Uh, we're going to do something a little different.
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We're kind of going to go around the horn style.
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Basically, we're talking about the one that got away.
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No, we're not talking about your high school girlfriend that you, you broke
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up with, broke your heart and you had to go cry to mom and now we're
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talking about the cars, cars that you used to own between the five of us.
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We've probably had shoot.
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I don't even know, probably 5, 000 cars between the five of us.
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I would say that's an exaggeration, but.
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probably not too far off.
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But anyway, we're going to talk about those cars, the ones that we regret
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getting rid of the one that got away.
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And then on top of that, we've got a special thing for you all.
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It's going to be the Desert Island question.
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All right, so let's hear what Matt has to say.
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All right, so you the car that got away, huh?
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Yeah.
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I mean, you've had several cars since I've known you, and that's only been
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a short time, five or six years.
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People used to give me cars.
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The blue GTI that Eric ultimately ended up with, somebody gave me.
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And according to the Volkswagen nerds, it was the rarest color ever.
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And the only thing that made it different from every other GTI 16 valve was it was
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blue, which apparently is a big thing.
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When Karzik got away, when I was in college, I, uh, had a good friend
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who, his father was a mechanic.
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Owned a repair shop in, in the town of Starr, North Carolina, and they
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lived in the town of McKinney United.
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Mr.
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Jenkins worked on a lot of interesting stuff.
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First time I had ever seen a Lotus 7, or replica, and he had a Westfield.
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He kept a 1956 Packard Caribbean convertible for the local millionaire.
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But he had a car that he offered to me and I should have bought it.
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It would have paid the same for that 86 gti8 valve that I bought that I
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kept for many many years In fact, eric probably remembers that car very
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vividly or I learned to drive on Tried to kill me in more than once The car
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that I was offered was interesting.
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It was a Ford Mustang.
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It was black, and it had gold dust stripes on it.
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It had this really big, ugly tachometer on the, on the dash.
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And it had snakes all over it.
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And, um, I think I know where this is going.
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The vins started CS.
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For those, for those who know the Shelby Mustangs, they made the GT350h.
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They were rental cars.
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The first 85 of those cars were manual transmission, manual brake cars.
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Were those Hurst cars?
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Hurst rental cars.
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Hurst, yeah, that's what I meant.
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Hurst shifters, though.
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85 were rental, sorry, were manual transmission cars.
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After that, Hurst's excuse was, It took an excessive amount of
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effort to hear and break the cars.
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The, uh, the standard 289, I believe was a 271 horsepower motor.
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The Shelby motor was a 289 made 306 horsepower, which in that day was amazing.
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The, the, the Mustang that I was offered was, it was not a numbers matching car.
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But it was a four speed at 13, 000 because it wasn't worth anything at that time.
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It would have been a hell of a car, but I guarantee you, none of you
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would know me now because I'd have been dead about 20 minutes later.
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I remember one morning, I used to spend the weekends there because it
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was a nice way to get away from school.
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I remember one morning, Mr.
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Jenkins looks at me, he says he was about 6'8 and if he said
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three words a day, that was a lie.
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And he says, you ridden a Mustang?
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No, sir.
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Well, you should.
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No kidding, you know.
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Let's go for a ride.
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He backs it out of the driveway.
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They were Chevrolet people.
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You know, that's a big thing in the South.
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Now man, Dan's smiling now.
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Oh yeah.
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He says, he says, It makes all them horrible Ford noises.
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God damn metal bushings.
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And he says, well, I'll take it easy.
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We'll go down, go into town.
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You know, he takes it easy and he, there's a, there was a bypass from Starr to Ethan.
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Don't ask me why.
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There was nothing else out there.
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It's not like they were bypassing the big city.
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Got it out on a main drag.
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Damn if that thing wouldn't catch all four gears.
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So let's, uh, let's pause there.
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Cause I have another car in mind that I want to ask you about in a little bit,
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but I want to, I want to go to Dan next.
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What's the car that you regret?
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Either selling.
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Not buying or even owning or not getting for free.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's a big one for him.
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I'd have to say for me, the car that got away, I never had the chance to buy.
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But my cousin, when I was in high school, she's a little bit older than me.
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And her parents, when she graduated, decided to buy her a car.
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They bought her a first gen Camaro.
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So she had this nice, beautiful maroon with black racing
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stripes, black leather interior.
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68 RS Camaro 327 with a four speed, she decided she was older having kids.
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It was time to get rid of the car.
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I begged her to let me buy the car from her.
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And she was like, that's too much car for you.
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You couldn't handle it.
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Dah, dah, dah.
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I might know truck and I can handle the power.
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That's not an issue.
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Fortunately that car, cause it was all original, original paint, original
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interior, original, everything.
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With the exception of maybe tires and brakes and things like that.
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It was an immaculate car and it always was in the garage.
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I don't think it ever spent a night outdoors.
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Unfortunately, I did not wind up with it.
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The gentleman that she wound up selling it to, I got very frustrated with for
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the fact that being the car that it was, he set it up for the drag strip where
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he cut it up, put a roll cage in it.
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Pulled the engine out.
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All kinds of stuff.
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Why?
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That car was perfect the way it was.
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There was no need to do that to go find one that was already
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chopped up to do that to.
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So hold on.
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Could you have gotten that car for less than a thousand dollars?
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Because I mean you have a reputation to maintain.
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That car.
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I don't believe so, but I wouldn't have been willing to pay that
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little, especially for what it was.
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It was worth well more than 1, 000, 1, Bob, 1.
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I think I may have mentioned when I was younger, my stepfather used to
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haul scrap vehicles a lot of times.
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And so we go to Down in Virginia too, there was a family down there
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that owned some property and over the years vehicles accumulated on it.
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We go down, started hauling the cars out of there because they decided
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they wanted to clean the property up.
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Many of these cars were in horrible condition where they'd sat in the
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same spot so long that it was, they'd sank into the ground almost five, six
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inches up past the bottom of the door.
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Into the mud and everything.
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This is a very familiar scene you're painting here, but please continue There
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were a couple of nice gems that we pulled out of there and one of them just so
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happened to be 64 chevy 2 nova just an inline six car an automatic The automatic
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was a paraglide, so that's a good thing.
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Sitting so long, the bottom floor pans were shot.
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We started restoring it a little bit, took care of replacement floor pans and stuff.
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I was only probably 12 years old at the time.
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The intent was for me to fix this up until I became 16.
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Unfortunately, hard times came.
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Needed to sell it, so it got sold, and I didn't ever wind up with it.
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But it did turn into a very phenomenal looking car.
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So in an earlier episode, we heard from from a crutch and he talked
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about one of the cars he regretted.
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So Mike, do you want to unpack that?
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Or do you have a even better story?
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Oh, there's, there's a little backstory about how, while we lived in Germany,
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we had a E90 325 BMW, we had, I don't know, about six months before we came
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back and the, the new one series was coming out first time in the U S.
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And so we went to take a look at ordering one of those.
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But when we stopped by the dealership, they had an E92 M3 there at the time.
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So I was kind of weighing my options of either getting the E92 or the one series.
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And we had bought the prior BMW here.
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So the, uh, the guy who worked there said, Oh, you want to take that out
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for a test drive and handed me the keys to a brand new E92 M3 about 500 yards
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away from an unrestricted Autobahn.
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So that's a test drive and a half.
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It very, very quickly hit 155 miles an hour, which was the governor on that.
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We ended up buying the one series.
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Part of me wishes we had bought the E92, but that would have probably
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meant we got rid of it even sooner after we got back to the States.
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The one series was a Hoot.
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It's a 300 horsepower twin turbo inline six, six speed manual convertible.
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A lot of, uh, interesting road trips with that car all over Europe, up
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and down Sylvia pass, which is just as amazing as it looked on top here.
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I am so, I am so jelly.
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You don't even understand.
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And to this day, there are two pictures hanging in my house of that car.
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Uh, one from the top of Selvia pass where we pulled over to take a photo of
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just the car and then another entering the carousel on the Nürburgring with my
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wife actually driving it at that time.
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There is another famous photograph of that car though, where my boss at the
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time came along with me to Nürburgring and was sitting in the passenger seat.
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And most people don't even realize he's in the photo.
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Because they're distracted by the fact that the car is airborne,
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uh, as, as we enter a braking zone for a sharp right hand corner.
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So airbrakes.
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That's when you put your hands up, right?
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You work as the airfoil to slow the car down.
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Well, well, my forehead was an airfoil because my head actually rifted above
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the windshield because the top was down.
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No helmets required.
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Very, very different world, uh, over there on the track.
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So, so what you're saying is you wouldn't have passed the
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broomstick test in that car?
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No, no, not, not in the slightest.
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We'll save that comment for another episode.
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All right, Mr.
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Montequatro, your turn.
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Oh man, I got a list of them, but you know what, I'm going to
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start with the earliest regret.
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And it kind of popped into my head today for, for various reasons, but I actually.
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I had mentioned this on a previous episode, and I've talked to you guys
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about it before, especially to Matthew.
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Uh, my dad, you know, we were always, we had coupes in the house, you know,
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always two door Volkswagen Sciroccos, all sorts of stuff, Corrados, et cetera.
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My dad had pre ordered one of the first 16 valve Sciroccos, the A2s, and it was
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a triple black, black leather, black car with black basket weave BBS wheels.
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And I thought that was the coolest car in the world as a kid, right?
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It was an 86 and I'm like, man, one of these days when I'm old
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enough, I'm going to have this car.
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It's going to be amazing.
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Right?
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Fast forward a couple of years.
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He used to autocross that car.
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The wheels ended up, you know, I think Matt ended up with a
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set of wheels from that car.
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Parts went all over the place and he ended up deciding that he wanted
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to sell it because he was moving on.
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He was buying the Corrado.
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They had bought my mom a second gen Kuquatro.
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They got rid of her eight valve Scirocco and I was, and I was just heartbroken.
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And the worst part was when my dad sold the car, he had it all
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packaged up, all cleaned up, you know, it was real anal about keeping
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the cars in really nice shape.
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The guy that came to pick it up, came and got it at night.
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And my dad actually happened to be away on some sort of trip or
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business trip or something like that.
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And I just remember when my mom handed him all the stuff and then they drove away
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and I could hear the exhaust of the car.
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I just started.
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And I looked at my mom, and she'll verify this whole story.
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And I looked at my mom and I'm like, that was supposed to be my car.
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And I'm just like, you know, and it is, it's a, it's a memory.
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And it's a feeling that has always, you know, stayed with me.
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And then I drove Matt's 16 valve Scirocco many years later.
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And I kind of got over it, but
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remember, remember what I always say.
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Don't drive your hero.
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Absolutely.
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And I've made that mistake several times, unfortunately.
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But how about you, Brad?
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I've had, I'm looking at my, I made a little, uh, diagram here, a little list,
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like you might, much like you'd see at the bottom of a Wikipedia for like bands,
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like who's in the band and who's not.
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And I've got a list of all the cars I've owned and it totals 23 vehicles.
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Since I was 16 years old.
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Now I say that to a bunch of car guys and they're like,
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yeah, so I've had double that.
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You say that to my wife and she's like, Oh my God, look at all that money you wasted.
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But anyway, so there in that list, there are.
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Two to three vehicles that I really, really wish I had.
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The first one I'm going to say is my, my Ducati motorcycle.
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I was 20 years old, 18, 19, 20 years old or something.
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I don't know why, but I got this hair up my ass that I really wanted a motorcycle,
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but I didn't want any motorcycle.
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I wanted a Ducati.
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New Ducatis at the time were.
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13, 14, 000 and you just completely out of my price range, but I knew
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somebody who knew somebody who knew some other people who happened to
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know someone that was a mechanic at a Ducati dealership selling a used 748.
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I got in contact with the guy.
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He had some cool cars as well.
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He had a, a fourth gen Supra and he had a CJ lifted and all that other good stuff.
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So I ended up buying this Ducati from them, had it for a couple
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years, but then I found that I never really rode motorcycles.
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Like, I had them.
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I've had three, but I never rode them.
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I mean, it's always a pain to put on all the gear and everything and, you know,
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someone my size in the middle of summer.
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Riding a motorcycle, you get somewhere and you lost five pounds of water because
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you sweated it all out on the way.
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Plus the Ducati was air cooled.
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So that didn't, you know, all that heat and everything you need to really
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keep it moving or it got really hot.
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Uh, so that's, that's the first one that they got away that
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I'm really, really sad about.
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The second was a 98 Chevrolet Camaro SS.
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Now I had a 99 Camaro Z28 that I bought used a dealer after I
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got rid of the first GTI I had.
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The 99 Z28, I had full suspension on it and it was, it was a fun car.
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I ended up wrecking it as I explained in the, in our origin stories.
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Um, but the, the 98 that I bought several years later, I actually
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bought from a club member.
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I bought from Andrew Mason.
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He was having a family.
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He was downsizing his fleet.
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Uh, he needed to get rid of the, the cool, you know, sports car
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to get something more practical.
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So I bought the car from him and it was, it was a lot of fun.
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It was set up kind of similar to the 99 I had, but it was bright red.
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It was a beautiful car and I ended up selling it because all my friends
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around me were getting Subaru STIs and I was like, Oh, I want an STI.
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So I sold the Camaro and got an STI.
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And I regret it now because that would have been a great track car.
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Uh, and just for cruising around the street and everything.
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Uh, so that's number two.
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And then number three that I will have again someday.
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I will get into that later.
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Is it my, my Jeep Wrangler, my 97.
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It was a TJ, which I think is the better body style had the upgraded
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suspension and everything, but it had the more traditional looks.
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It was green lifted three and a half inch lift, 32 inch tires and
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manual transmission and everything.
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And I just, I love that vehicle and I regret getting rid of it.
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I am going to call a yellow flag on that, uh, flag on the play, gentlemen.
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I believe he said in a previous episode, he was buying a Murano cross
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cabriolet in champagne rose metallic.
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This is what we settled on.
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That's in, that's in the future.
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And I have a three car garage so I can have two and I guarantee you all
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that is a future regret right there.
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I mean, when you get that Jeep, we're going to LS swap it, right?
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Of course, of course.
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I mean, that's, it's got to be the plan.
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We're going to also, we're going to add that to the regret column too,
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just mark my words on that one.
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Well, my, my, my, my, you mean my mechanic is going to be doing the swap, but
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anyway, Rio is no geometric convertible.
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Ah, see, that's what I was.
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I was holding that Jim for me because I know he regrets.
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Come on.
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He, he regrets not buying one of those yet.
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Come on now, Matt.
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That is true.
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That was true.
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I, someone give me, if, if I did, I'd have bought one by now.
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What's really, really funny, we tried, we tried actually really hard.
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Me and a bunch of your, your friends, Matt, for your 50th birthday, we tried to
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find a Fusia Geo Metro convertible manual.
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We were, we were gonna buy it . We were . We had a whopping budget of $52 to spend.
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That's about all their worth.
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And believe you, we couldn't find one.
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That was the worst part.
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It was like, there was a point there where they were everywhere.
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You're like, ah, geometric convertible, yellow, white, whatever.
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And the closest thing came with some clapped out stoner, but you
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know, electric blue car in Denver.
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And I'm like, I am not going that far, but we will find that fuchsia geo for you.
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I, you know what, they all bought the, uh, Chrysler PTD cruiser convertible.
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The standard purchase requirement.
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for any geometric convertible is you had to weigh at least as much as the car.
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And as they got older and heavier, they needed to get bigger cars.
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And that's why they bought the PT cruiser convertible.
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I have to say, you say they went from the Metro to the PT convertible.
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I think there was a transition period where a lot of them got, uh,
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the Chrysler Sebring convertible.
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I rented, I rented one of those in Detroit and I autocrossed it.
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And it was phenomenal.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
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You autocrossed a Chrysler Sebring?
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Was it John Voights?
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I flew in and out of Cleveland because it was cheaper.
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I had, I had amassed enough points.
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And I said, uh, they, the first thing tried to give me a Grand Prix was
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like 40, 000 miles, which in rental car miles, as all, as those of you
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who travel, no, that's like what, like 200, 000 miles in dog years.
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And so I, I went back and no way, we can give you a convertible.
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Well, it's like March, I think in Detroit.
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Sure.
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Give me the freaking convertible.
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And so I ended up driving it.
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I went to Erie for the weekend.
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Cause I have a family friend I grew up with and they had an autocross there.
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The car was amazing.
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You would turn in and it would literally lay down on the, on the, uh, rocker panel.
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And as you turn in, you could watch the rear of the car twist
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in the opposite direction, the, uh, your sarcasm knows no bounds.
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So, so are you saying you regret not buying a Chrysler Sebring?
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Is that what I'm hearing?
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Is that the one that got away, Matt?
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I think he regrets that rental.
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You know, he said he got that with rewards points.
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I don't think a Chrysler Sebring convertible is a
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reward, that's a punishment.
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One of my many trips involved going to Chicago, and the reward
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car that I got was a Taurus.
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With a sunroof.
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Are you cashing in like the Monopoly things from McDonald's?
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You're in gluttony for punishment, Matt.
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Are you taking enterprise reward points and cashing them in?
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It hurts?
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Yes.
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No, I Fortunately, I had hurt, but still, oh, well, you know, the beauty is as I,
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as I started traveling more and became more, uh, more educated, I gravitated
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towards the Crown Vic because A, they didn't get beat up like the little cars
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did, and B, I usually got them in white.
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Because that way I kind of blend it in, except for the one, the one night I
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got lost in the Garment District in LA.
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Who drives around, who drives around the Garment District at 10 o'clock at night?
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No one!
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No one with a brain!
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But my, my co worker who would travel with me was a little gal, a little older than
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I am, but she was like five foot tall.
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You're only five foot two.
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Thank you.
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And she, she would ride in that car, she couldn't see over the dashboard, and she,
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I said, what do you think of these things?
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She goes, well, it's like my father's father's Oldsmobile.
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So we, I love those cars.
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They were comfortable.
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You could park them anywhere because it was so damn big.
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No one would get in your way.
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Well, there, there you have it.
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Never a dull moment.
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So, so we've, we've gone around the horn, we've gotten everybody's, uh, regrets.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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I have, I have a list.
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I didn't cover them.
19:17
Oh, all right.
19:19
Well, let's, let's keep it going.
19:20
Let's keep it rolling.
19:21
Let's see what you got, buddy.
19:22
All right.
19:24
Regrets.
19:24
So I will say I'll, I'll throw it in for my mom real quick.
19:27
She regrets my dad selling our wide body 911 that we talked
19:31
about in the first episode.
19:32
Reason being was that was the car that he apparently bought for her.
19:36
And I'm gonna put air quotes around that.
19:39
Yeah, the red one that she never that she never drove the one that I drove
19:44
and I think everybody in the Porsche club ship themselves because I drove it.
19:48
Yeah, exactly.
19:50
I'm sensing a theme here.
19:51
He had a tendency to sell the vehicles that were earmarked for other people.
19:55
Yeah, right.
19:56
So with that being said, big regrets.
19:59
I regret buying that BMW, but we're going to save that for the BMW episode.
20:02
I think everybody regrets buying a BMW.
20:06
Oh, geez.
20:07
And that's actually a car I was going to bring up for Matt, and we'll talk
20:09
about it in a second, is his E28 M5.
20:13
So on my list to just kind of wrap that up, one of the cars I really wanted to buy
20:18
and regret the fact that Volkswagen never produced it is a car you all are going to
20:22
have to Google, which is a vehicle known as the VW Concept R came out about 2001
20:27
2002 time frame as a prototype built on the Boxster, but it was powered by a 3.
20:32
2 liter four Beetle RSI Golf R32 engine, and they were going to
20:36
bring it in as a kind of base market sports car, you know, 30, 000.
20:41
And it was fantastic.
20:42
I love the look of it.
20:43
It's actually what inspired the look of the, uh, the mark five GTIs with that
20:47
kind of Chrome nose kind of beakish.
20:49
It actually has the same headlights as an EOS.
20:51
You know, stuff like that, they never ended up producing it.
20:54
And I still have that picture, you know, as one of my desktop wallpapers.
20:57
I mentioned in a previous episode, my wife and I both
20:59
regret selling our SS trailblazer.
21:01
I blame Dan entirely for buying it.
21:04
I blame myself entirely for getting rid of it, but that was
21:07
the ultimate hashtag track truck.
21:09
It was an absolute pleasure to drive.
21:11
Granted it was 1998, you know, Chevy interior.
21:15
So you had to kind of put up with that, but everything else it offered was.
21:19
Fantastic.
21:20
And the last car, big regret, and it's a car I've said probably many times over
21:24
that I would still have to this day.
21:26
Much like my dad who pre ordered cars, I pre ordered a 2004 VW Golf R32.
21:34
Now, for those that don't know, and if you happen to be in the DMV, in the
21:37
late 2003 timeframe when the Baltimore auto show was still in the fall and the
21:42
DC auto show was then in the winter.
21:44
It's kind of moved a little bit over the years.
21:46
The car that was on display at both of those shows is actually my car.
21:49
Now, 50, 000 public butts sat in my car.
21:51
Unfortunately, thank God they fumigated it after it was over, but my car
21:55
was actually 2003 triple black.
21:57
And I had that car for three plus years and unfortunately was stolen
22:01
right out from underneath of me.
22:02
It's a void in my life.
22:04
It wasn't one of those things that I could get closure on because it was taken.
22:07
And I've said many times before, I would still have that car to this day.
22:11
I mean, I found things that are as fun, if not more fun to take its place.
22:15
But for me, that was my first big boy sports car that I bought on my own.
22:21
I wanted it so bad.
22:23
You know, I bought my 24 valve VR six, the first one.
22:26
And I put a down payment on the R 32 the same day when I had heard, you
22:29
know, yes, you can get one of these.
22:31
And I actually had, I had a down payment to two dealerships.
22:35
Cause I wasn't sure which one was going to get it first.
22:37
So, uh, yeah, so that's a huge one for me.
22:39
And it's oddly enough, Baltimore calls me every once in a while and
22:41
says, did you ever find your car?
22:43
Is that really my job?
22:45
But we'll just leave it there.
22:46
So you, uh, you bring up the concept, but I seem to recall there was a
22:49
different Volkswagen that didn't get made, that you wanted more.
22:51
It didn't get made or wasn't brought to the U S that didn't get made.
22:55
It was the, uh, Volkswagen blue sport.
22:58
Oh yeah.
22:59
The wannabe nine 14.
23:01
Uh, God, don't remind me if you're gonna go with that, but you know what
23:05
Chrissy would kill for right now.
23:06
What's that?
23:07
The Arteon?
23:09
Yeah, I saw that that's pretty hot and we're gonna we're gonna talk
23:12
about that when we do our uh, What car should I buy wagons edition?
23:16
Oh, it looks so beautiful by the episode entitled the cool stuff that
23:20
europe gets that we'll never see Uh, Buick just discontinued theirs
23:25
too, but that Tour X was pretty hot.
23:27
I can get, I can get you one of those Buicks.
23:29
I have a friend who just bought one.
23:31
Does he own small French cars?
23:33
One.
23:33
Okay, then I know where my vote goes.
23:36
Yeah, so I'm gonna have to add on to the, uh, got away list, Eric's Trailblazer.
23:41
Because when he did decide to sell it, He wanted to buy it.
23:44
That didn't offer until 30, 000.
23:47
Well, no, it was the fact that at that time I didn't have spare funds
23:50
to pay what it was worth, and I would have loved to have, but I couldn't
23:53
justify buying it when I had the collection that I do have already.
23:58
If we're gonna go with a couple other cars, while I was stationed
24:01
over in England, most people don't think it's much, but for
24:04
me, I had a German spec Carado G6.
24:06
Loved that car.
24:07
Unfortunately, when I went to ship it back stateside, things with the
24:10
importer and didn't work out and that didn't make it stateside with me.
24:14
So it's somewhere still cruising around over in Europe,
24:17
hopefully, and enjoying its life.
24:18
Other vehicle that I kind of kicked myself for not getting while I was over there,
24:22
buddy of mine that was stationed over there with Rizzo had a Hillman Super M.
24:26
So those of you who don't know what that is, look it up.
24:28
Most people are going to look at it and think it's an ugly car, but I
24:30
thought it was a really cool rear engine car that was, you know, it
24:34
was an older car, but it was just.
24:35
Somebody, I think it would have been fun to go out and cruise around on
24:38
the weekends with, and Brad, since you said you mentioned your Ducati,
24:41
I almost brought a Ducati back from Europe with me because I knew what
24:44
they were selling for here in the U.
24:45
S.
24:46
So over there, I could get it for like a quarter of the price, and
24:50
with the military, they would ship motorcycles as our household goods, so
24:53
it didn't count as shipping a vehicle.
24:54
So I almost brought one back just for the purpose of selling it.
24:56
So I could have told you had I known, I'd have bought it and brought it.
24:59
There's one other vehicle that I want to talk about that I got I had for a
25:02
short time, and it's a 71 Super Beetle.
25:05
I got it from my well, my grandfather owned it.
25:08
You know, when I was very young, he passed away.
25:10
It ended up in my uncle's hands.
25:11
I had the grand idea that I was going to get it and fix it up and
25:14
just turn it into a street rod and make it really cool and everything.
25:18
Of course, I was in my early twenties, and I made it.
25:20
Early twenties money, though I wasn't able to do that.
25:23
I ended up selling it to some guy for like 500 bucks and he took the, uh,
25:26
the rear end out of it, the suspension out of it and use it for a trike.
25:29
So I regret getting rid of that car.
25:31
And if I could have a super beetle today, name a grandpa and have it
25:34
done up the same way he had it.
25:36
Daniel, I've got one other question for you.
25:38
Of all the cars on your property that are not running, for those of
25:42
you that don't know, he's got about 472 cars on his property right now.
25:47
No, last time it was just over 30.
25:49
Which one, which, which of the cars on your property do
25:51
you regret is not running?
25:53
That would be the Mercedes Sable wagon.
25:56
Or three Sable wagon.
26:00
That's a hard pass on that.
26:02
That's why he has two.
26:04
Okay.
26:05
No, there's only one fable.
26:06
The other's a Taurus.
26:08
Excuse me.
26:10
One's for blue collar, the other's for mid level management.
26:14
Yes, there's a difference.
26:16
Available today at your local Hertz.
26:19
Yes.
26:19
Anybody interested in one, hit me up.
26:21
I can make you a great deal on it.
26:22
You can find him on Facebook Marketplace.
26:27
For all of them on the property right now that do not run, I would have
26:30
to say it does run right now, but it's not at its final product, which
26:35
is going to be my crew cab square body them doing the Duramax swap.
26:39
I thought you were going to say your Grand Prix.
26:41
Your Pontiac or was it?
26:42
Is that a Bonneville?
26:43
It's a Grand Prix.
26:44
It does run.
26:45
I could start it up and drive it right now.
26:46
But the reason I haven't is the fact that I'm planning to put a stroker
26:50
motor in that and that vehicle doesn't have the hundredth digit on the
26:53
odometer and it's sitting all zeros right now because it's just 100, 000.
26:56
Right.
26:56
I figure what better way to track mileage than putting it in with it reading zero.
27:01
You can't argue with that logic.
27:02
I wonder though, if there's a, you know, with Mike and Dan on the line, if there's
27:07
anything about the Burgundy E36 that we need to cover, talking about regrets.
27:11
Yeah, caging it in the first place?
27:13
How's that?
27:15
Frankenstein will live.
27:16
I bet Mike regrets keeping it for as long as he did and Dan regrets buying it.
27:23
But I want to talk about BMWs for a second, Matt.
27:26
I mean, for me to you, I really liked Das Boot and you had that 740i BMW.
27:32
That was such a fantastic riding car.
27:35
Granted, I didn't have to live with any of the misery you did with its
27:38
maintenance and stuff like that.
27:40
Every yuppie in America drove one, you know, that the, hello, I'm a stockbroker
27:45
and I am very wealthy and I have a BMW.
27:47
The ones who drove those were the same people who drove 450 SEL Mercedes.
27:51
My esteem for BMW plummeted was the E36 was the first car that
27:55
they compromised on so heavily.
27:57
The E36 was the M car that had a single throttle body.
28:01
It was production line built and they ultimately offered an automatic because
28:06
the market whined that my wife won't let me buy one because it's a manual.
28:11
Well, and to be wholly honest with you, that's probably the one car
28:15
I regret selling is the E28 M5.
28:17
Compared to today's BMWs, it's horrible.
28:20
The seats are hard, the ride was stiff.
28:23
The coolest thing about it was, and I read this, so it's not actually, I didn't come
28:27
up with this, but as you drove it, and you got on it really hard, almost hear
28:31
an F1 race somewhere in the background.
28:34
You could, you could definitely tell when you opened up the throttle.
28:37
I, I made a point of telling people that the short shift kit in my car had
28:40
been installed by Rob Levinson himself.
28:42
And I had the exhaust system that he designed for those cars.
28:46
Uh, I also visited him in, I think it was New York or Connecticut.
28:50
I was forced to drive his E28 M5 with a Dinan turbo.
28:56
Forced to.
28:57
Yeah.
28:57
Terrible, terrible thing.
29:00
And it's interesting, you know, as much as I've never owned a turbo
29:03
car until now, the other car that I regret not buying, and I should
29:07
have, Alan R has an 86 930 turbo.
29:10
My uncle had a 78.
29:11
That's one that, uh, I could see owning.
29:14
I, my uncle was incredibly generous, man.
29:17
I went out for a wedding in the Bay area and asked if I could take the car.
29:21
And he said, Oh, take the Porsche.
29:22
Go ahead.
29:23
Nothing like coming across Dumbarton bridge at two o'clock in the morning
29:27
at 125 miles an hour, because.
29:31
I just want to say, it was just us lowly Americans who
29:34
got the bastardized M3 motor.
29:36
The Europeans actually got independent throttle body M3 motor.
29:40
That's how we used to piss off the E36 owners.
29:43
They were the ones that were the freshly minted millionaires.
29:45
They would go into the store and they'd whip out the 100 bills
29:48
and said, Oh, yeah, real M cars have individual throttle bodies.
29:54
And to show you what an idiot I am, there was a period of time
29:57
where I owned two of the rarest German sports sedans ever built.
30:00
I had Audi V8 and an E28 M5.
30:03
And I used to have people who would talk about, dude, dude, my, my, my GTI is rare
30:09
because they only made 20, 000 in white.
30:12
And I, I, I used to piss people off.
30:13
I said, I'll tell you what.
30:14
When you have total production under 1, 200, call me.
30:17
Mic drop.
30:18
Boom.
30:18
So Bradley, I guess the final challenge here, right?
30:21
What three cars would you have in your garage?
30:24
Exactly, exactly.
30:25
And I guess I can go ahead and kick us off here.
30:27
I thought about it.
30:27
For me, my, my wants and desires change.
30:31
Like I change my underwear every single day.
30:33
It's just, it's hard to keep, keep my mind on one, you know, thing.
30:36
But for today, the three cars that I would have in my garage,
30:39
I'd have a Dodge Cummins diesel.
30:41
I'd have the Dually just because I just think they're, They're bad ass man.
30:45
Has anybody seen lethal weapon two?
30:47
When, uh, Mel Gibson takes his dually, it's a Chevy dually in that movie.
30:50
And he pulls down that, that house up on stilts from the beach and everything.
30:54
I've seen a better video.
30:55
That's one of our members, Nick doing donuts around the
30:58
skid pad in a dually diesel.
31:00
Big girls need love too.
31:01
I want a, I want a dually.
31:02
So, so that's, that's the first one because I need something
31:05
to tow my track car, right?
31:06
Right?
31:07
So the next vehicle I'm going to have in my garage is a Porsche 911.
31:10
I've wanted one.
31:12
I don't know why since I was a kid.
31:13
I used to be a huge Ferrari fan, but they're fragile and they
31:16
like to barbecue themselves.
31:17
So I, I think I really want a 911.
31:19
It's, it's advertised as the everyday supercar.
31:22
I mean, you can drive it to the grocery store.
31:24
You drive to the track the next day, go pick up your kids, your whatever.
31:27
You can do anything with it.
31:28
So I kinda, I want a 911.
31:30
I don't know which one I want, a GT3 RS would be cool.
31:34
Um, but just a base, a regular 911 with a manual, I thought, but it'd be a
31:38
great car to have, uh, in, in my garage.
31:40
And then.
31:41
A Wrangler with a motor swap, something I can take the doors off of the, to the
31:44
top off of, uh, and just enjoy, you know, the weather that would be my convertible.
31:48
So, yeah.
31:49
And then for an honorable mention, the Volvo V90 wagon, because I just
31:52
think that they're beautiful cars.
31:53
So mountain man, Dan, you guys know that I have trouble with limiting down to three,
31:58
three, three, four, that's more realist.
32:03
I would have to say one of the cars I would definitely have only because
32:07
it's been one of my favorite cars since I was a kid, 57 Chevy Bel Air.
32:10
Some people think it's an overrated car because so many other people
32:13
like them and everything, but any of the Tri 5, you know, 55 through 57,
32:17
but I like the big fins on the 57.
32:18
If I had one, I would definitely have it modernized with an LS in
32:21
it, but I should actually ask a question prior to listing them all.
32:25
How big is this island?
32:26
Because the island is a metaphor.
32:31
It's just the question is, if you're going on a desert island, you can
32:35
only take so many things with you.
32:37
Essentially your island is your three car garage.
32:39
You can only have three cars for the rest of your life.
32:41
Did, did anybody just hear the theme music from Sanford and Son?
32:47
Other than that, I would definitely have one of my square bodies.
32:49
Shocker!
32:51
I would have to have one of my square bodies.
32:53
Of the, of the 15 year span of square bodies, which year do you pick?
32:59
And the span of square bodies is more than 15 years.
33:01
Yeah, yeah, it's like that Johnny Cash song, 51, 52, 53.
33:06
Honestly, like, so if I were to take one over, it would probably be
33:09
between my K5, which was my brother's.
33:13
Before, uh, he was killed or it would be my short bed, two wheel drive that my
33:18
brother helped me build before he died.
33:19
So probably one of those two, although I'd possibly option for one of the
33:24
four wheel drive crew cab trucks, square bodies that I have because
33:27
I might need to tow something.
33:28
And then for my third car in the garage for years, I've always said
33:33
I would never own one, but now
33:38
Um, for the longest time, I always said that I would never own a Cadillac because
33:43
they were an overpriced Chevrolet.
33:44
And then Cadillac did me dirty and came out with the CTS B and I fell in love.
33:48
Man, I thought he was going to say the XLR because that was going to
33:50
be a big points win right there.
33:52
I want the Cimarron.
33:54
Yeah, or the Catera.
33:55
He wants the Catera.
33:56
I'm cheap.
33:57
I'm cheap.
33:58
I will take the citation.
33:59
Thank you very much.
34:02
But so, so those will be my three vehicles.
34:04
But I'm going to add a cheater to that.
34:06
One of my Harleys is going to be in the bed of the truck.
34:07
That's a smart move.
34:10
Well, I've got a garage big enough to fit a dually in.
34:13
So, I mean, come on now.
34:15
If we do it right, we can build some sort of a rack system.
34:18
We can drive a Lotus in the back of my truck.
34:21
Challenge accepted.
34:23
All right.
34:24
So, Mike.
34:25
What's your three on your island?
34:26
I'm weird.
34:27
I, uh, Where it goes without saying.
34:30
I have a thing for wagons, and I don't know why.
34:32
There's one wagon in particular that Volkswagen actually made, which I just
34:36
feel like having to screw around with.
34:37
B5 Passat wagon, all wheel drive, stick shift with the W8 motor.
34:43
Yes!
34:44
Yes!
34:45
Yes!
34:46
Excellent choice!
34:47
The unicorn of unicorns!
34:49
I actually saw one for sale not that long ago.
34:51
There's a reason it was for sale.
34:53
Well, yeah, because of the W8 maintenance.
34:55
It came with a spare Audi 4.
34:58
2 that you can swap into it.
35:01
The best thing about those cars is how you change the O2 sensor.
35:04
Engine out.
35:06
Lift the carpet and drill a hole in the floor.
35:08
You know, as something that can be kind of dual purpose, CTSV wagon.
35:12
That's a win right there.
35:13
Major points.
35:14
Good luck finding one of those at a price.
35:16
Well, and they have a habit of getting stolen these days.
35:19
That's what I mean.
35:19
I mean, you know, what were they new?
35:20
They were 50, 000 new and now they're 70, 000?
35:23
I don't know.
35:24
Number three, probably something stupid like an R8.
35:26
I figured you would have thrown in that Kiwi station wagon you wrote about
35:31
while you were over in New Zealand.
35:32
What was that?
35:33
The Holden Commodore HSV wagon or whatever that was.
35:37
No, no, it was.
35:38
So yeah, actually there's a Holden Commodore HSV ute.
35:43
I mean, just a whole bunch of the stuff I saw over there was really cool.
35:45
But those, uh, some of those Holden HSV.
35:49
worked over utes are amazing.
35:51
They did the full thing like Dodge did with when they came out with Challenger.
35:54
They offer them in bright, obnoxious colors that look amazing on that thing,
35:59
like a bright lime electric green.
36:01
I hope you and Dan enjoy your Mary Kay Cadillacs.
36:04
That's, that's nice.
36:06
But we'll move on to Matthew.
36:08
The colors Chrysler used, they were from the, they were from the 70s.
36:11
They were, they were just retro, you know, what was it?
36:13
Vitamin C and, uh, plum.
36:15
Plum crazy.
36:16
Oh, they were, they were, I mean, they were great names, you know, because
36:18
you, you see 'em today and they're just, I'll pause you there in the colors
36:22
just to add a little bit of color.
36:23
Uh, have you ever seen, and this was a factory card, the color pattern
36:28
challenger, which featured every stripe of every color that was
36:33
available at that time from Chrysler.
36:35
It was a factory produced car, and apparently it exists.
36:38
Today in a museum, it was reproduced or whatever.
36:41
It's actually really, really neat.
36:42
And the story behind why that car was developed to showcase all those crazy
36:46
colors, like sublime green and plum crazy.
36:48
And all these other ones that we talked about.
36:50
So that's pretty neat piece of history there.
36:52
Well, it's like the Harlequin gold.
36:54
I hate to admit that I like the new Challenger, because I really wanted
36:57
to hate it, and then I drove one, and, well, you know, the 392, you just can't,
37:01
you just can't, uh, you just can't say no to it, but I wanted to find one in
37:05
purple, and I have yet to find one.
37:07
Yeah, I was gonna say, it was a hard choice between going with the 911 for
37:12
my, you know, dream garage, or the Hellcat, because I really want a Hellcat,
37:16
but I just feel that the 911 would have been a better, just all around
37:21
performer, which is why I elected to have that in my, my theoretical garage.
37:25
Well, what about you, Matt?
37:27
What are you thinking for your, your garage, your dream garage?
37:29
If I could afford to do it every day, I would drive that pickup truck of mine.
37:33
Not, not worry about a car.
37:34
I alternate between liking the dually and liking the single rear wheel.
37:38
I drove the exact same truck I have now in a dually and ended
37:42
up buying this one instead.
37:43
22 years later.
37:45
A single rear wheel ain't bad.
37:46
It fits in parking spaces better.
37:48
Although with a 20 foot long truck, as Dan knows, you don't really
37:52
fit in parking spaces anyway.
37:54
So I'd probably have something like that.
37:56
You know, the full size truck.
37:58
The key thing about yours is it's manual instead of the
38:00
automatics they have behind it.
38:01
In fact, I would tell the dealers as I was looking for those.
38:04
I says, you know, I'm looking for an F 350.
38:06
You know, you'd see that look.
38:07
And they, uh, you know, I want the diesel.
38:09
And of course you get even more excited.
38:11
And I looked at him, I says, Oh yeah.
38:13
And it's gotta be a manual.
38:14
Cause I never learned how to drive an automatic.
38:16
My mom says the exact same thing.
38:21
As much as I like the 930 turbo, I've had a fascination with these
38:25
cars since I was 10 years old.
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I want a real Cobra.
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My high school friend, his dad, you've heard me talk about him, my friend
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Bill, he had a Superformance Cobra, which is the factory approved fiberglass
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version of the original AC Cobra.
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His, however, happened to have a 427 side wheeler in it.
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You know, the motor that the block is worth, like, 20 grand.
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There's just something about those cars.
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They said more than one buyer did not make it to the first payment.
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They said, you wouldn't give A first time shooter, a 44 Magnum, just like
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you wouldn't put them in a 427 Cobra.
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I agree.
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And I, and I like that.
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I like, I like a car you've got to respect.
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So, so we've got your, your Ford.
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We've got your, your, the biggest truck in the world and the smallest
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car in the world, your Cobra.
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What are you going to put in between?
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If I could find another one and there were only 53 ever built.
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I really liked my Audi V8.
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It was an interesting car.
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Nobody knew what the hell it was.
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The automatic transmission.
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It was a four speed that was geared for Europe.
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So, just like a Mercedes, if you've ever driven a Mercedes, as
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you pull away, it starts off in second gear, and it's really soft.
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Now, when you're going about 100 miles an hour, you put your foot down, it moves.
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Unfortunately, until you get to about, I don't know, 40?
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It's a slug.
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I, I, I, I hate to say, I like the car.
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I mean, Quattros are Amazing cars to drive.
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They stick like glue.
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The sophistication in the, in the, uh, Quattros is amazing.
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Uh, I would, I would venture to say that it was more technically advanced in
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its day than anything else on the road.
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You know, there, there, there certainly weren't a lot of all wheel drive cars.
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This thing had switchable ABS, uh, front and rear fog lights,
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which were unheard of in the U.
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S.
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Not to mention when my parents were looking at their coupe Quattro, the
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salesman, you know, was showing off a black on black V8 Quattro, which
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was very rare color combination.
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Cause all of them were pearl white.
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For the most part, it was, uh, one of the only cars at the
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time to have an integrated.
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car phone and that was a selling point.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Well, you know, the neat thing was it had a ski sack and all four seats were heated.
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Put that all in perspective.
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You know, we, uh, Eric and I have had this, this, these conversations
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before as well, which is, yeah, but that car, you know, that car sucked.
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Right.
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But in 1988, was amazing, but the V8, the V8 was more practical.
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I, I made the mistake of driving the E28 M5 to work one day when it snowed.
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My boss's boss and I were, were in the car as I am idling out of the parking lot,
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sideways, and he's laughing at me because he goes, what the hell's with this thing?
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Well, that's how a high horsepower car with, uh, with independent
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suspension and, and, and summer tires happens to handle the weather.
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The Quattro, as long as you put real tires on it, and I learned that
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from experience, was unstoppable.
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Uh, I drove it to work one day, and there was probably two inches
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of snow in the fast lane, and all the, uh, all the big giant SUVs were
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poking along in the, in the clear slow lane at about 20 miles an hour.
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And I went by them at about 35, you know, rooster tails of snow, with
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my seat heater on, and the radio on, cruising along as if it were dry.
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But yeah, I think, I think, I think those would be my, my, my three.
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So what I've heard so far is we're on an island.
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Yes, there's no price point We got guys bringing trucks to transport.
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I don't know coconuts or something We got Mike with the station wagon
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for to move Aborigines around again.
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The island is a metaphor So I'm defining the island here and I
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find my island as Nurburgring.
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Yeah Really a racetrack.
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I mean New Zealand has racetracks And is kind of an island.
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And you're transporting sheep.
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I mean, you got all these wagons on your island.
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I'm not sure what's going on here.
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Seven sheep per person.
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Yes, they are warm and affectionate animals.
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Indeed.
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Thank you, Matthew.
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So on my island, on the other hand, I would have a 70 Challenger RT in white
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with a vanity plate that says Kowalski.
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Yes.
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Very straightforward car that's dirt primitive, big V8, and just
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go rip roaring and have some fun.
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In addition to that, I want a metallic emerald green Mark 1
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Scirocco with a 16 valve swap.
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I swear, I thought you were going to say a Buick Skylark convertible there.
42:35
Again, my money is on the Chevy Citation.
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Thank you very, very much.
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HHR.
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That will not be on my island.
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No Priuses, there will be bazookas and turrets ready to
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blow those cars up at first sight.
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So in addition to that, I would have to say, I gotta have a Gen 1 Viper, but
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not the Gen 1 Viper you're thinking of.
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It's not a GTS Coupe.
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It's not a Targa.
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I would have the Defender from Viper the TV series, because hey, it's my island,
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and apparently no one else lives on there, so why not enjoy my boyish fantasy?
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So I have to ask, The defender does it count as multiple vehicles since it's
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got your off road option your water option Well, that's why I want it on my
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island because realistically it is an suv Okay, it is a sport utility vehicle.
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I can turn it into a pontoon.
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I can turn it into all sorts of things He's gonna use it to get off his island
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Yes, and I will also use it to blow up Priuses and HHRs, but realistically,
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because I can't have a movie car, it's a really hard tie between what's available.
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Since we're in, we've set no budget.
43:43
If I could get an F40, that would definitely be in my garage.
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That is a car that in 87, when it came out, I have never stopped loving that car.
43:52
It's an incredible design.
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It still looks good today.
43:54
I've seen him in person.
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I can't wait to drive one in my afterlife.
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I don't know.
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What if I couldn't have one of those?
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I would definitely have a black on black Alpha GTV6.
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And this is the 1980s version, like we saw on Top Gear not too
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long ago, or the Grand Tour.
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All kidding aside, Brad, take us home.
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I think we've heard some really interesting debate here on what
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people want and why they want it.
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I don't necessarily agree with everybody's choices, but I'm sure
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nobody agrees with my choices either.
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And that's the beauty of individuality.
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And that's the debate we call, What Should I Buy?
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What should I buy?
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Yep.
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Which there will be plenty of other episodes discussing all kinds of different
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car categories for what should I buy?
44:37
So on that note, I guess we'll go ahead and wrap it up.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Matt, Mike, and Dan for, for stopping by and we welcome
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you guys for future episodes.
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So just, uh, since you mentioned you were making a list of your vehicles, I
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decided to start I'm nowhere near done.
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So when I do get it done for a future episode, we'll know how many
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vehicles I have owned over my ass.
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Man of life, but I'm only up to high school years and I'm sitting at about 30.
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Is there a database big enough to store this list?
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What's the over under on him?
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Finishing that list.
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