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West Virginia White Things · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: For generations, people in the mountains of West Virginia have reported seeing something white moving through the darkness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody can seem to agree on what it looks like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One witness describes a large white dog, another encounter something's much larger, something they can't determine is standing on two legs or four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some witnesses hear screams coming from the woods, others claim the creature attacks livestock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: one man said it attacked him, but when he tried to fight back, there was nothing to hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His weapon simply passed straight through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Decades later the stories begin to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The creature gets bigger, it begins standing upright.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Witnesses describe strange hands, horns, multiple eyes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, whatever people were seeing in the mountains of West Virginia stopped sounding like a ghost, and started sounding like a monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe we've been asking the wrong question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe these aren't descriptions of different creatures, maybe their descriptions are the same phenomena, wearing different faces, because there are stories much older than West Virginia about things appearing in the forms of animals, white dogs that predict death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Phantom hounds, haunting roads, and cemeteries, animals that disappear when approached, creatures that look completely physical, until someone tries to touch them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So tonight we're not just looking for some unknown animal hiding in the appellation wilderness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to the original stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back before Bigfoot, before Crypto's zoology, before anyone had a name for what they were seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because of these encounters really are connected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then whatever is walking through those mountains may have been there for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the reason nobody can agree on what it looks like is because we're assuming it has a real face to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First weird stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We love weird stuff around this joint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do love weird stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this doesn't really let us down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty bizarre stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you don't create interesting conversation to stay the least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in the mountains of West Virginia, people were telling stories of seeing things that were white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it was a dog, sometimes it was much larger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it walked on four legs, and other times they couldn't tell if it was standing on two legs or four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So naturally, people who,
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[SPEAKER_00]: or not, or naturally, people would, you know, shoot at it and attempt to fight it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm appreciative of the mentality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's uh, it's definitely the mentality I would have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Posh, outside of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, also classic name, clever name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, greatest name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was known as the white thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the more you dig around into these stories, it gets harder to actually track down because it seems like this is more than just one monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into the white thing, though, we need to look into the areas in which these stories came from, West Virginia, a place with mountains, deep hollows, and dense forests, a place where at one point small communities were relatively isolated from one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Despite all of this, it would assume that it was culturally isolated, but actually it was a complete opposite, different people arrived here bringing their own belief stories and superstitions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: old Appalachian communities, descended largely from European settlers, the expansion of railroads, logging and coal mining brought workers from other parts of the United States and immigrants from Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of these people began to settle here and started, it essentially
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guanua Valley had become an important industrial region during the 19th century.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Salt production exploded there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cole was also mine here, but partly to provide fuel for the salt furnaces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, railroads, timber operations, and coal camps started emerging by 1888.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the way it comes out so fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it became the second largest coal producing county in West Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though this area was growing rapidly, it was still dense with wilderness a place where you could easily get lost and be completely on your own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, there was an era where you didn't have social media or cell phones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: traveled purely by word of mouth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One woman was largely responsible for these stories making it out of the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her name was Ruth and music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Born in Kirk'sville, Missouri, 1897, her academic background was studying education, mathematics, and she earned a doctorate in English from the
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1946, she takes a teaching position at Fairmont State College in West Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When she gets there, she realizes that the area is rich with folklore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All types of different stories comes out of the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got ghost, which is omens, mine spirits, haunted railroads, strange animals, little bit, and literally everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ruth realized that most of these stories hadn't been preserved, so she took it upon herself to start recording these stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She introduces the Fairmont State's folklore course and started to encourage students to gather family and community stories and bring them back to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One student actually recalled her in class one day asking for real-go stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth helped revive the West Virginia Folklore Society in 1950.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was basically a paranormal podcaster before it was even thought of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's rad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She went on TV, wrote newspaper articles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was even on the radio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, all of these stories her and the students collected became books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of her books that was published was the tale tale lilac bush and other West Virginia ghost tales.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The book goes through ghosts, death ohmins, haunted locations, mine ghosts, railroad ghosts, all the above.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But eventually comes to a section about animals and birds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has stories in it about the white wolf or the phantom dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after this section is one that is different, it's just labeled as weird creatures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite kind of creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's instantly what I would have turned to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking through the chapter titles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have seen weird creatures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm gonna go to this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: my lockness monster and shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird to them that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there were four stories inside this, and they were the white thing, the strange creature, shortcut, and the white figure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These stories for her were hard to nail down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know exactly how to list them because they seemed like animals, however they didn't exactly act like animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into the white thing, we're going to dive into something she wrote in a section in the book on Omen's of Death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is an old superstition in which white animals could be Omen's of Death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even, and obviously wondering if one association was connected to the Biblical image of Death riding the pale horse, which I'm pretty sure just about everyone would instantly think of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because it's probably the most common of the bunch, some research points to the fact that white is associated with death because it symbolizes ghost and spirits and the other world bridging the gap between the living and the dead and many cultures white represents ghosts and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though the West uses a black for morning and funerals, many East Asian and Southern Asian traditions use white as the official color of morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is also said that white animals look uncanny and unearthly in the wild, which I can put the agree with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could be another reason as to why, in old, old folklore, these white animals kind of stuck out as death omens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in such it would be quite a rarity to see one in the wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can out by no beer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now by no raccoon or buffalo or some shit and even even in today's world, it's still having an anomaly when because everybody, everybody will talk about seeing it on an albino deer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It from the end of wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, oh shit,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I saw an all-white deer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there may be something too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then be in Owlman's death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ballad Pointy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ballad Pointy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has also said that white animals look a canyenne on earth, earthly in the wild, some consider them divine messengers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: White creatures are sacred boundary crossers that carry messages from the spirit realm or foretale tragedies and death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea that they are sacred boundary crossers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a cool title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, that is a good visual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like pass them between the rounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Older British folklore has stories of supernatural dogs and other animals that connected with death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One in particular comes from Yorkshire known as Pad Foot, another great name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some traditions, it has the appearance of a strange white dog that can move on two legs, sometimes three, apparently it could predict death.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it moves on two legs sometimes three though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or three, it doesn't say which one they leave out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a four leg animal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to assume being that it takes on the form of a dog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because most dogs have four legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Except for ones that lose it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who am I to question British folklore?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be a little worried too if I see a three-lated three-legged white dog is a carrying one like hurt?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Does it only have three in my head it only has three this one on the back?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did like a reverse tricycle Yeah, I get it
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One story is, are one story from pad foot, which is like I said, it's just fucking great name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I mean, you just hear that and it's just terror.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can just hear it all, all three feet just thumping through the floor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just pad and all pad foot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People, people just stop name and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least do not be literal about it see I would call it in something like three piece tripod I like three piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three pieces good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Trap tripods Tripods to go to yeah, you know, and it makes you think something different Hmm, so oh that's not used why it goes three piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Three piece in the biscuit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where the best kick out, but hey, that's what's patting his foot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true, true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the stories of pad foot states that a man encounters a white dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He attempts to strike it with a stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just goes straight through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's, that's pretty bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty bad outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a good start to the evening when you see what you think is a vicious three-legged dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you, uh, you're like, all right, I got something for you, bud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You swing at it with a stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It goes right through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, it was three piece being aggressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the guy who's been a dick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question because I was wondering the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was three pieces hanging out over there and he just is like, fuck, and I'm just going to hit it with a stick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because some people will do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people are dicks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, if three pieces being, I'm going to soon three piece approach aggressively, which I mean, I can understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crackhead looking three-legged dog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna be that scared, but if he's trying to attack me I'm gonna be a little bit not pro animal violence, but no, no, I'm gonna save myself Exactly if a three-legged Crackhead all being tries to attack me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, the stick goes right through it, the man takes off running, and he makes it home, not long afterwards, though, he dies well, that escalated quickly, so old three piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it kind of works like raffle isn't you know, just a just slow in the beginning and then it just catches up to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have won the battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three piece one war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To what that being said, you get an example, a little taste of pad foot, three piece tripod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go into the white thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 1954, a fair amount of stage student named Thomas A. but you've heard submitted a story to Ruth and her collection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy B.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Tommy B. Thomas was from Cannawell County and according to surviving information, the white thing wasn't some obscure family story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said stories about it were already common in the county apparently his original type paper actually still exists to this day in the Ruth and music collection at Fairmont State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see their her collection of gathered stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, but it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth will actually go on to publish this story in the Tale Tale Lilac Bush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the story is apparently told by a group of Fox Hunters around a fire one night, they start talking about one of the Hunter's grandmother, who had an encounter with something very strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The woman had written her horse to church on a Saturday evening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After church on the right home, she was about two miles away from her house when she heard something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She described it as a, as a unnatural animal scream that she was not familiar with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: any type of screen like this in the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said it sounded like a woman in extreme pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was so startling that the horse even immediately reacts to it and kind of freaks out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden something comes bursting out of the woods, and it was a white creature that moved on all four legs, it was larger than a dog but smaller than a horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said the mouth was absolutely enormous, its teeth protruded outward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she gets the horse to start finally listening and she takes off toward home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said the white thing was in pursuit, but it started to lose ground because it couldn't match the speed of the horse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She reaches her property and makes it to the outlying barn where in a panic she just kind of leaves the horse there and then takes off running into the house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning she gets up she tells her her dad about it and you know the dad's like right well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of messed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go down there and look for tracks and see if I can figure out what's going on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As they get down there, they find the horse dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They said that horse was lying awkwardly against the barn door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And according to the story, most of its flesh had been torn from the body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was going to be my next question was there any sign that trauma, but I would say no flesh left on it It's kind of a big one the sign of trauma also very bizarre tactic Yeah, it's like those people who need the skin off KFC chicken Just before it Yeah, and it's gross.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of not a lot of creatures that are going to Go after horse
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[SPEAKER_01]: with I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty big prey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and horses are strong AF.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they kick you in the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ain't gonna make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, not from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're riding the dome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the white things stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next one you've got,
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[SPEAKER_00]: come I guess told to Ruth and I believe the story gets recorded in 1963.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a Katherine Kozul told Ruth about something that had happened to her father in 1929.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank Kozul was a coal miner and he was walking home from his job at my number 93.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Historical records do prove consolidation coal companies mine number 93 in Marion County.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank takes a shortcut home through wood wood through the woods one night along Morgan's Ridge near Ribsville Something approaches him
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all white, but this time the description is different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Approximately two feet tall, shat you white hair, large head, bushy tail, the franky looked like a large white dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then this thing attacks him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank could feel the creature biting and clawing him, so he fights back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He swings his metal lunch pale, trying to knock this thing's head off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He kicks, he drives pushing it away, but quickly realizes something isn't right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank couldn't actually hit it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's seeing this animal
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank was able to get back on his feet and take off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The white thing follows him until Frank approaches a cemetery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as Frank crosses the threshold of the cemetery, the white thing disappears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Frank, in his little panic slash relax moment there, starts to check himself because you remember Frank got attacked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could feel the bites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He could feel the scratches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as Frank examines himself, there's no damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have any bite or claw marks anywhere,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost like a psychological kind of attack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where it's like in your head making you think these things are happening, but they're really not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I didn't really know what to think whenever I was reading it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't imagine seeing it attacking you, feeling it attacking you, only to later on, not have any evidence of being in fact at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost got a weird poltergeisty kind of possessiony aspect to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To where it affects you, but there's no physical evidence of it ever happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Makes you seem kind of crazy when you talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, definitely that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird that it didn't follow him into the cemetery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he's going to bring up to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fucking bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, when we did,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we did the episode on the black dogs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the black dog lore specifically, I think, probably in New England or in Britain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the church Graham.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did they, I can't remember if they crossed the threshold into the cemetery, I think in those if it's the one if you're reverence and what I'm thinking of I think it's the opposite way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't come out because they, if I remember correctly, the lore behind the church grim is that they would kill a dog and like bury in the wall, the cemetery to make them the protectors of the cemetery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hollowed ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure some of them are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a cemetery considered hollowed ground?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cemetery is considered hollowed and hollowed or sacred ground when they are formally consecrated or blessed by religious traditions or viewed respectfully as resting places for the dead, so yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting, that it will not cross into the cemetery, hmmm, hmmm, hmmm, it's weird, it's weird, it's, honestly, not many stories that I've heard where things won't go into the cemetery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I feel like in most cases it's the opposite where things won't come out of the cemetery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's look here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What creatures are not allowed on hollow ground?
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... in folklore fantasy and tabletop games undead demonic or evil or unholy creatures are not allowed to enter a hollowed ground which would be my first assumption as well as that especially the evil slash demonic ones for the ones that would be able to yeah but as always expected undead beings that you know they're full of dead people that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I guess that would be the dead in the hollow ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're undead, true, true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably not that cool if you are undead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also bringing a bunch of D&D stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what any of this means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which one have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have frigging nerd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: another encounter, almost in the same region from Michael O'Dell in 1958, it involves his uncle Will O'Dell and family members.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on a rainy night, the family heard something outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again this report of like a shrill scream some of the men go outside to investigate they see a large bulky creature and they couldn't determine if it was standing on two legs or four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys didn't play though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They started squeezing rounds off at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew they were going to start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instantaneously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as they're doing this, they hear the creature scream again, which convinces them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They hit it and did damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think anyone would be out of that assumption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're shooting at it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it starts to scream, I would assume that I hit it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, as they approached the area though, there's no creature, no nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't anything there to indicate they had just shot some massive beast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following morning, they discovered dead sheep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All their throats had reportedly been cut or torn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oddly enough, it was reported that there was little or no blood around the animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Weeks pass, and on another rainy night, the screaming returned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time, the man are prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They see the creature, they shoot at the creature,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So instantly, they take off in the direction of this thing with lanterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time, they did find something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a large creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was another mutilated sheep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its throat had been damaged, and its back was broken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough, though, after this night,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the attack stop altogether.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's never another report of this creature shown back up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just stops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Super weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's weird that like the accounts of them are similar, but they're not the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll get into that later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see when we get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll like I think that's where a lot of our talking points are going to come in I because in your head Even though you're like you don't know right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're going to know
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, as strange as these stories might be, they're not unique to West Virginia, for centuries people and other parts of the world have told stories about supernatural entities appearing in shapes of animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Britain folklore contains an entire family of what are sometimes called
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some haunt railroads, some churches, some associated with graveyards, some appear shortly before death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Northern England had the barge-hiced, a supernatural entity that was most commonly associated with the appearance of a massive dog that was reported to be able to take other forms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: English had church grims, a guardian often appearing as a large dog and bound to the cemetery protected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I realize some of these examples don't fit the bill because the color scheme, but regardless they're still parallels here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found a story from
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[SPEAKER_00]: Winston's Salem in North Carolina, it comes from the James T. Callow folklore archive at the University of Detroit Mercy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A woman would regularly walk a path between her and her mother's home, one night she saw something blocking her path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A snow white dog, but this thing was at least six feet tall standing on all fours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the woman fled and the animal disappeared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She took it as a warning from beyond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She thought it was telling her to never walk the path at night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And from that day forward, she never did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have another encounter from Georgia in 1967 from H.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddox said he was attempting to scare her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maddox said she was attempting to scare her brothers as they traveled to a store for care scene.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, she ended up having a bizarre encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She ends up seeing a white dog but without a head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough, these mountains are full of these bizarre encounters, a white dog and trout run, a white stag and another place, a black dog and a shadow valley, a headless bull, another creature that is able to change animal forms while being watched, even a bear that screams with the human's voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I found another bizarre story about the Column Gabriel Hounds, never heard these before, but supposedly these are monstrous human-headed dogs that travel through the air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One man reports hearing the pack overhead and a follow-up for more than a mile to where
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as he's walking there, he notices, I don't think he visually sees them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just hears them, but he hears them stop over his sick relative's house where they start yelping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he gets there and goes inside, he realizes his relative had just died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool fuckin' name form though, Gabriel Hounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Terrifying that they have human heads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's, that's, not a fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm, aspect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also look a harbinger of death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we move forward in time and something strange starts to happen in the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The encounters of the white things start to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get an encounter from a man who's near an old TNT area associated with point pleasant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He sees brush moving and things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just in things, it's just some normal wildlife in the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then something strange comes out, a large creature who reports it's a brownish white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says it's dirty and matted, so he's unsure if the creature is all white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and just super dirty, or if the creature had an undercoat of white hair, he said it moves on four legs and kneels down at the creek and starts drinking from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said the front limbs and in what he describes as Paul like hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The head is elongated and pointed almost canine like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It also has large, single-point horns coming from its head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The creature stays drinking from the creek for a few minutes while the guy stays hidden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After it is done drinking, it takes off towards San Hill Road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the man has sure this thing has gone, he takes off running for his car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that sticks out in his memory is how the thing's smell of sulfur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they did theorize that the soul for smell might have come from the TNT mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's a fucking demon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which also makes it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know either way, but in 1994, in Boone County, you have two children that are playing outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They see what they describe as a massive white bear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With the animal on its hind legs, they estimate it to be at least six feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the kids get scared and react to it, which prompts the creature to react and run back into the forest, breaking branches, branches, and it moves away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1995, a couple driving through Boone County reportedly see a large white animal sitting in a roadside ditch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They slow down to take a look and as they do, this thing arises and starts to attack the vehicle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The couple drives away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the strange aspects of this encounter, though, is that they recall the creature having four eyes, which is disturbing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So once again, there's these subtle variances in the encounters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like multiple different creatures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they got, they got to be dealing with different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, keep that in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1999, campers and Boone County are sitting around a campfire, they begin hearing something around them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some snorting and scuffling, initially they think it's a bear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The sound now becomes aggressive and a large white creature charges from the darkness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and as the campers run, it begins to chase them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It chasing them all the way out of the forest until the campers get past the tree line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once they do this, it stops chasing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It then releases a terrible scream and disappears back into the forest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The earlier stories are far different from what the stories are circulating currently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a large white dog, attacks a man, doesn't leave any marks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A larger creature is later seen standing on two legs, they get shot at which prompts the scream and they never find it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the stories have a similar aspect to them, however the descriptions often change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one could assume that these are all different creatures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could attempt to put real animals beside these encounters as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things like dogs, coyotes, mountain lions, bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if the white thing was never a biological animal because if that's the case, it changes everything we would assume to know about the creature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the creature seems to almost be recognizable, but it's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if people don't notice something, I'm going to point it out for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we've already established that in the beginning, the creatures were nothing like what is reported later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there may be a way to explain that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oddly enough, we jump to the UFO community, UFO investigators called this cultural tracking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So UFO researchers noticed something over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How the phenomena seems to change along with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is this like this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When people started seeing these entities, they didn't know about UFO's big-foot cryptids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only until those terms broke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they start seeing what they would later just start to describe, as I, these last couple encounters, last couple encounters get labeled as sheep-squatch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the point is is that people in earlier times didn't know about Bigfoot UFOs and all that shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it didn't appear to them as such.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where when the 90s broke, all these terms started becoming ultra popular, which then started to change the way that we would think and somehow somehow the phenomena checks in on this, which we've talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I said, you would know where this is going and because as I'm as I'm kind of like digging through here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one aspect that really fucking clocked me was the smell of sulfur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized that there as an explanation as to the TNT mine, but the smell of sulfur is off often affiliated with demons and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it made me start to think and also I
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said in aliens and then cryptids and so and ghost and demonic activity, so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually took the chat and I started I'm like, what, you know, what could be a link here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when it pulled up Jacques Valet in this cultural trafficking and I'm like, holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because now like we've talked about it before, but now there's actually a name to it, the cultural trafficking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, like you look, look at the history of UFOs, you know, they weren't always seen as disks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at one point they were seen as, you know, religious figures in the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the late 1800s, they were floating airships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's literally, I literally have that written right down next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I even put, which is kind of ironic, Steve is pointed out during the late 1800s, people didn't describe flying saucers, they described airships, things with like their real propellers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and look how it's still evolving now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the from the 40s from Roswell to the 70s and 80s,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were saucers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were saucers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we've got drones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got orbs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got blobs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got jellyfish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's all evolving as we evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the same the same things with, you know, essentially chupacabra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you had the you have the dog like being and you have the the bipedal lizard like two completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Creatures essentially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all under the same umbrella of the same creature and as Steve is pointed out also before Jacques Valle and Passport to Magonia, compares modern UFO encounters to much older stories involving fairies, elves, demons, and others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He noticed how people would see fairies in some UFOs, not that they were the same thing, but there were certain aspects within each of the encounters that were the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which led him to believe in the possibility that the phenomena seems to change at will even more so with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you think about what we've talked about tonight because a lot of the first encounters sure do feel like hellhounds or cemetery grounds, something to that nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as our culture has changed with big foot horror culture has changed, you know, demons with horns
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[SPEAKER_00]: or the white thing that keeps popping up seems to be changing alongside that narrative, like Valet said, as we've talked about before, what if the phenomena participates in the process?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It transforms to what people witnessing it can understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and it's just a, it's a fascinating line of thought when you've said and think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look into it, it's the same playbook over and over and over again, with the UFOs, with you can even look at like what ancient cultures considered God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then it changes into maybe their extraterrestrials and then it kind of just keeps going as almost like as we come around and are privy to more knowledge and exposes itself a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, not even often necessarily exposes itself, but it morphs kind of with what we know and what we learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because you look pretty roswell and you little green men are very rarely mentioned and then after that, gray aliens blow up on the scene and now and and you look at the look at the sightings, the sightings post roswell, the abductions are almost all gray aliens,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the culture of the phenomenon moves it's and I'm not even saying that I hundred percent believe it but it is pretty compelling because it is you got to admit it is fucking weird that within we'll just say West Virginia as a whole there would be
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a decent amount of experiences that be at a dog or a sheep's watch or whatever of a white bizarre creature, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what are the odds?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for them here, what are the odds that within West Virginia, you're going to have bizarre experiences, and in most of these cases relatively aggressive experiences with a white dog, a white coyote, a white bear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just as unrealistic as it's the same entity holding a significant color, but it's changing into different entities throughout the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the both of those sound equally is crazy to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Statistically, the odds of that happening are, it's gotta be rare's fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta be, because I mean, like, like you said at the beginning of the episode, you've never seen an albino deer in person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been around for 40 fucking years seeing a lot of deer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So either way it seems very unrealistic to me.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that there's a new term in our hollow archive of cultural trafficking.
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do enjoy that idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still trying to wrap my
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it just, it almost leads credence to the fact that the phenomena is more tapped into our consciousness and our knowledge than we know, because it evolves with what we know, which is a crazy thing to think about, that it's then it's some wavelength on the way we learn and what we have and what we're knowledgeable about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you would at that point, you know what, it maybe it doesn't even have to do actually with the individual think about it on the lines of an algorithm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's more of a collective thing than a person, a personal thing, which that actually kind of does make sense to me because, you know, the way my brain's processing right now is because I was going to ask you how do you think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is true, if the phenomena is a one thing, but it changes to the person over time, so on and so forth, how and why does it appear to you as big foot, but it appears to me as a
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[SPEAKER_01]: why it picks and chooses who it wants it to experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it as specifically, you know, and you know, finding that answer could be just as elusive as figuring out what the gray alien is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that answer could be so far beyond our capability of of thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the timeline of UFOs is the best example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it doesn't have a whole lot to do with the white thing, but in what we're discussing, it kind of does because
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know stars in the sky moving around in multiple sons and and things like that and then as it is it keeps moving forward It changes then it changes to like for a while you have like in different religious figures in the skies and then you get toward the 20s and 30s when you know the advent of
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[SPEAKER_01]: television or motion picture and capturing photos and stuff and science fiction is coming in and people are writing about the war of the fucking worlds and on the shit now it takes a turn where everybody's starting to see space crafts in the sky and stuff like that not to mention in the like we talked about in the late 1800s there weren't no disks in the sky they were all airships they were all
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, actual moving parts and balloons moving through this guy when we people hadn't even flown by at that point, which is also crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in now that I think about it, it's almost like the UFO phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like chooses to appear like appear almost
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the technology you could have if you just get your shit together fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a spat of reports in the late 18, like during the airship flap where
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[SPEAKER_01]: These airship were dropping ropes and rope ladders to the ground, and humans, the people reporting they were people were climbing down, interacting with people, climbing the flock back up, and leaving, that's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Multiple reports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome, but it's super fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, it is almost like when you start to say it, I was like 100%, it's like they're, they're kind of nudging us into the, the next steps in technology, which is so crazy, which is crazy man, because it, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's almost more comfy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I'm just going to say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more confusing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then if there was a hidden realm out there full of Nomes and big foot and like they're all individual because I like all of my stuff individually wrapped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like my Nomes as Nomes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like my grays as grays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, if it is one thing, that makes it so much more confusing to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there are noms, because there are this, because you know, there's just, it's almost like everything has its own lesson or meaning or reason behind it like the aliens we're just talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's like glimpses of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: In that line of thinking, well, then what the fuck does it know bring to the table or a tube of copper or ghost?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm just going to say, like it makes sense in the technological advancements based on UFO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: culture, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is what is the meaning behind the difference in me seeing a giant by a giant white dog as opposed to seeing a giant bipedal horned big foot-esque creature?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a hundred years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're, are we missing less and there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's there's reports of white big flutes everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we did 40 50 there was an Alabama white thing thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: I try to understand the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the less I understand it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is completely backwards of the way I thought it would be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'd get in here and be reading stuff and researching and be like, oh, this makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as things make sense, it makes less sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my tiny little human brain just cannot put the pieces together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's out there like hand in us the pieces and we can't put it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just like, what is happening?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need more clues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we need a guidebook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just put them together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And be initiated in the CIA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And probably learn better via YouTube video than a guidebook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: True.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To shape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you make a video?
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[SPEAKER_01]: describing exactly what you are and why you're interacting with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the vanity is a hole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be really helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're out here, you've two in the edges off the corner of the puzzle piece as they're trying to get him to fit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wrong puzzle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, also true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the wrong
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the white things of West Virginia, or West Virginia white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: West Virginia white thing, it's funny that you did that because I was, I was looking into doing a sheep squatch episode and I had my stuff pulled up and they were reference in Old Girl who had recorded the first episode of forgetter name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruth's music?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: talking about how the encounter she put in the book, although it was a dog-like creature, they had somehow linked that as the first identification of the sheep's watch, which when I read it, I'm like, that's nothing, that's nothing to do with the sheep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that it's white.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which maybe we're the ones fucking the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we're trying to make stuff make sense in our head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Questions like that just now bring some.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some days, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's getting late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like shit like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do like whenever I have an answer after I'm done thinking, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, holocole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for hanging out with us on this Monday.
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