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Nuclear Flashpoints, Energy War, and the Intensifying Global Fight Over Iran, Ukraine, Europe, and the Multipolar Order Now Unfolding · International Flavor: Where the Truth Tastes Better

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  Hello.
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  Good morning.
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  Welcome.
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  I am Samuel Trapp.
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  This is International Flavor.
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  You are listening to DAM radio.
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  7 30 AM till about nine o'clock.
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  We do something called civic outlaws and we
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  bring to you educational themed, uh, issues from,
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  uh, government, from, uh, government overreach.
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  Do we, uh, monitor with civic outlaws?
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  We keep track of it.
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  Had some, have an interesting meeting coming up
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  this afternoon.
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  We'll see what we talk about tomorrow.
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  Could be exciting.
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  Got a lot of things going on.
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  Um, in the state here, here on the
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  desk, in fact, is an, I like Ike
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  for, uh, for state Senate.
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  I like Ike right by, uh, who wouldn't,
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  how do you not like Ike?
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  That's what I ask you.
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  Guys who stand up to flock cameras.
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  I think flock was last week or was
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  the week before, excuse me.
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  Oh man, I'm dying over here.
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  What if I die right here in the
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  studio?
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  Wouldn't it be a depressing?
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  Well, for me it would be.
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  Uh, I'm not so sure about the rest
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  of the planet, but we shall see.
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  I have some coffee issues.
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  Hang on.
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  Now that's good coffee.
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  Remember that from Harrison Ford, uh, when he
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  was in the movie witness is what it
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  was, where he was an Amish.
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  I got to tell you a story.
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  You know what?
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  I'm going to ask permission before I tell
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  this story because it's really a horror story.
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  Um, I, I, I don't make fun of
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  any religion.
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  I just don't do it.
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  Um, and what you choose to believe those
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  are, that that's, that's up to you.
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  You know, the, Oh, is that oil prices
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  at one 2640 one 2640 reported by BBC.
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  Tell you, I told you those, uh, uh,
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  ships are running out.
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  Um, we're going to talk a little bit
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  about energy today.
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  We got a couple of good songs lined
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  up.
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  One of them are Russian song.
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  Did I actually say, I sang this Russian
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  song in the Dominican Republic.
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  I had somebody video it too.
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  I sang this song in Russian in, uh,
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  on a karaoke stage.
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  And there were a bunch of Russian people
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  there.
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  They're like, Holy crap.
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  You were, you, uh, you did pretty well.
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  I was like, well, there's a couple of
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  parts.
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  You just can't keep up.
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  You know, it's hard enough to keep up,
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  uh, you know, in, in Russian, if it's
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  your native tongue because the guy speaks pretty
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  fast and he, I think he's Georgian actually.
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  He's from Georgia.
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  We're going to get into a little bit
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  about Georgia today, the country of Georgia, not
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  the state of Georgia.
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  And Georgia is a beautiful country.
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  If you remember me last week talking to
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  you about, uh, the show made me know
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  and the movie made me know, which is
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  really good.
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  I played just a tune from that.
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  And, um, anyway, we're going to play some,
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  uh, Russian movie to some, uh, music song.
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  It's called Zolota.
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  And, uh, I, I sang it karaoke in
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  the Dominican Republic at a, uh, at a
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  resort town.
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  You know, you stay at the resort for
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  a week or whatever, and you just go
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  out and eat a different, you know, you
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  go to different, uh, uh, restaurants, kind of
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  like you do in Mexico.
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  Only it's the Dominican Republic and a very
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  beautiful, beautiful country.
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  Um, I really, you know what though?
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  We didn't leave that, uh, all inclusive.
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  And I don't like doing that.
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  Like when I go to Mexico, I like
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  to go to the ones that, uh, we
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  went to, I went with the, um, KRMS
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  deal several years in a row, used to
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  sponsor that trip and I got to do
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  free radio stuff from there and whatnot.
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  And, uh, I did, uh, I would always,
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  I liked the ones in Huatulco, the city
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  of Huatulco down there was really cool.
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  You're near the, um, uh, Chichen Itza, the,
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  um, the pyramid of, um, the, uh, uh,
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  Incan, Incan, is it Inca?
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  I think I kept pretty sure it's the
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  Incas, but what the hell do I know
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  these days?
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  I can't keep track of, uh, of, of
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  much can't even keep track of the song.
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  So it's a part of me wants to
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  play it for you right now.
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  Then we're going to play a, an, an
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  English song, just to let you know that
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  I have tons of, uh, I have 17
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  ,000 or something like that songs on my,
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  uh, iTunes playlist getting huge.
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  And so I've got music from all over
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  the place.
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  Those were not the topics of today, but,
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  um, got a lot going on today.
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  Didn't really, uh, want to get too serious
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  about anything, but I watched last night.
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  So I've been putting together some thoughts on
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  nuclear, nuclear Holocaust lately.
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  And, uh, think because I believe the danger
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  in the world is rising.
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  Most of you remember, uh, from, uh, if
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  you listen to me at all, that too
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  many years ago, I used to be, uh,
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  uh, uh, an arms control inspector and interpreter
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  for the onsite inspection agency now called the
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  nuclear threat reduction agency.
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  If I, if they haven't changed it again,
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  but, uh, now it's, uh, it has nothing
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  to do with, uh, uh, nonproliferation.
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  I mean, they're supposed to, but nobody does
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  that anymore.
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  Everybody's, you know, nonproliferation only applies to certain
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  parties that can't proliferate men.
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  They ought to do that with, uh, um,
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  you know, any moron can have a, uh,
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  uh, a child, but you gotta need to
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  have a, have a license in some States
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  to have a, uh, cat or a dog.
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  That's crazy.
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  Anyway, that was one of the jokes we
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  used to tell in the military.
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  Um, so, Oh my gosh, they're going to
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  have a, it appears they're going to have
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  a star Trek, uh, from the beginning, every
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  single star Trek.
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  Now that would be fun.
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  I have all the, uh, all the, uh,
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  what do you call it?
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  Next generation ones.
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  And I do like most of the originals
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  with, uh, you know, the real Spock and
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  whatnot.
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  Although the kid who played the star, the
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  Spock dude in the remakes of them all
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  later on was pretty cool.
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  And that was a, those were excellent movies.
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  So, uh, nothing against that.
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  We're going to talk about nuclear, um, proliferation
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  and I'm going to start with, so I
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  got three points of view.
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  We'll take a song between each point of
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  view and w and it's not all nuclear.
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  It's more of a history slash nuclear slash
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  energy type of thing.
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  And we're going to go through that.
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  And one of the first things I did
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  was, uh, I was watching the, uh, what
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  is his name?
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  Grossi.
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  Grossi, the head of, um, the IAEA, uh,
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  international atomic energy agency.
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  And, and he was talking about, he was
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  talking in front of the UN and he
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  was talking about how dangerous the world is
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  becoming.
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  And, uh, and I watched the whole thing.
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  I watched a couple of commentaries on, uh,
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  afterwards, uh, some questioning, stuff like that.
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  So I've got some thoughts from what he
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  was putting out, but I was certainly picking
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  up what he was putting down.
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  And then, um, there's also, um, one, one
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  more, um, perspective in point of view, a
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  governmental one.
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  And I have a habit of watching the
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  Maria Zakharova once a week press briefing.
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  And yesterday was the day.
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  It's, uh, usually two, two hours, three hours
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  last week.
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  She, she did one from Izhevsk that was,
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  uh, uh, in Izhevsk is far distant, uh,
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  from Moscow.
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  This, yesterday's was in Moscow.
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  And, uh, I watched the one from last
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  week in Izhevsk, but gave up after about
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  two hours.
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  It was long.
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  And I like listening to him.
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  It's an international correspondence deal.
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  I'm thinking I'd like to go over there
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  and, uh, and, uh, check it out sometime,
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  maybe go to Moscow and get that done
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  and, uh, uh, go to, go to one
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  of those briefings for real.
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  Maybe ask Maria Zakharova question, uh, not Ruskin.
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  I'll ask her something.
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  And, uh, at any rate, um, I like
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  to watch her briefings because she kind of
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  covers, it's kind of like watching, um, Carolyn
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  Leavitt here.
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  Some of the prior ones, it was Jen,
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  Jen Saki or something.
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  And they always try to twist it toward
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  whoever they're representing at the time.
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  That's what you're supposed to do.
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  Well, that's what Zakharova does too.
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  And I like to watch it because you
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  get the government's point of view.
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  And then I watched the IAEA's point of
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  view and that's government too.
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  And, but on a different level, it's, um,
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  you know, not, not really.
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  I mean, he, he's supposed to not have
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  any political, uh, bent in.
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  And he said it a few times during
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  his half hour appearance and it's in English.
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  He's, he's got a French accent, but he's,
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  uh, uh, it wasn't clean English.
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  You can go out and listen to it
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  if you'd like.
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  And I think, uh, most people should, but,
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  uh, I'll summarize for you what the, uh,
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  what the major points are.
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  And, uh, then because the world, uh, non
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  -proliferation, you know, as far as weapons, nuclear
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  energy, proliferate, get that stuff everywhere.
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  I'm all for that.
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  Like I told you about Russia building the
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  one in Bangladesh, and Russia's building the, the
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  six reactor one that they're building and finalizing
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  in India.
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  There's some really good stuff with nuclear energy.
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  Those plants last 60 to a hundred years
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  and, uh, uh, coal fired and, uh, um,
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  what do you call it?
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  Um, uh, gas, they don't last as long.
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  They just don't.
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  And until somebody comes up with something better,
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  uh, you know, the, the solar panels aren't
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  just pulling it off for the energy needs
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  of the world.
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  And in the meantime, maybe 60 years or
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  a hundred years worth of nuclear energy would
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  be, or coffee would be time to get
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  to the next level without burning all the
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  coal and stuff to nuclear, you know, and,
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  and, uh, aside from Chernobyl, who's, uh, what
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  was it?
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  Uh, anniversary 40th.
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  Was it 40th anniversary?
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  It was not long ago.
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  Um, there were some twists on that that
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  are coming up.
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  Um, there's a substantial nuclear, uh, territory here.
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  She wasn't talking about Iran.
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  Uh, in fact, very little of her speech
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  had anything to do with Iran.
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  Um, she didn't talk about, uh, Israel, Iranian
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  confrontation, IAEA, Iranian disputes, no enrichment, no sanctions,
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  no Persian Gulf escalation, but the nuclear thread
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  was kind of in a different channel for
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  her.
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  She was saying that, uh, Kiev and it's
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  Western backers have been weaponizing nuclear risk rhetorically
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  and physically around Chernobyl, the ZNPPs operation, the
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  nuclear power plant and prior alleged, you know,
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  when they were gonna, when, when they invaded
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  course, one of the first things they said
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  was, uh, Oh yeah, we're going to take
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  over the course.
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  Nuclear power plant.
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  You took over Zaporizhia.
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  We're going to take course.
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  Yeah.
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  That worked out.
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  Didn't it?
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  67,000, uh, Ukrainians died in the course
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  region alone.
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  Okay.
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  Um, then, then three months or whatever it
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  was that they were there and until they
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  were run off.
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  So the, the announcement that Russia and Ross
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  Adam had reached this nuclear fuel loading stage
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  at Bangladesh is rope or nuclear power plant.
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  I told you about yesterday, specifically loading of
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  the nuclear fuels already ongoing in unit number
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  one.
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  It's going to take them eight, 10 months
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  to get that, uh, up and running.
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  That's going to provide, what did I tell
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  you yesterday?
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  Uh, 12% or something of, uh, the
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  total power needs of the entire country of
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  Bangladesh, 170 million people for reactors.
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  You know, uh, it's, this is a, this
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  is a good deal for Bangladesh.
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  I mean, they're, they are hurting on this
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  energy crisis and stopping Iran, Bangladesh.
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  Now you may not care about Bangladeshis, but
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  I met a lot of Bangladeshis.
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  They're all over Qatar, by the way, the
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  Bangladeshis, the Indians, this, uh, Sri Lankans, Filipino,
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  all of them are in Qatar.
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  That's not true.
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  But then what are they doing over there?
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  No, I'm kidding, but they all have jobs
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  and they're all working there and they're sending
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  the money home because, uh, you know, they're,
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  uh, developing, they're developing country and Qatar is
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  rich.
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  So at any rate, now they, they, they
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  got nuclear power that's going to take up
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  12% and hopefully, uh, they continue on
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  with that.
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  India is doing the same.
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  They're starting to build these things everywhere, right?
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  So Russia's building long-term energy infrastructure for
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  developing countries.
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  That's, that's, um, allegedly one of the reasons
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  they're in Mali as well.
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  Uh, that, that is a line, um, you
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  know, that, you know, needs to be discussed
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  here.
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  Global rules are always talked about, you know,
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  by those who don't enforce them against themselves.
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  And they're the ones that are blowing up
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  infrastructure, creating danger to nuclear power plants that
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  are presently in operation, listed by the IAEA
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  and by Russia for frigging four years.
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  They took Zaporizhia, uh, nuclear power plant very
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  shortly after the, um, um, what do you
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  call it?
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  The escalation that occurred in 2022.
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  And, uh, sorry, moving the chair around a
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  little bit here.
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  And they, they, they want to talk about,
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  you know, Russia's not allowed to do this
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  and blah, blah, blah.
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  Meanwhile, it's okay for Kiev to run in
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  and try to take a U S nuclear
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  power plant and to bomb the Zaporizhia nuclear
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  power plant, which IAEA reported on several times.
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  So there's an important talk about this infrastructure.
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  One side is talking about blowing up infrastructure.
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  And the other side is building the power
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  grid, the power plant, energy pipelines, infrastructure everywhere.
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  And so there's an important rhetorical struggle, uh,
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  you know, in the world and Zakharova talk,
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  you know, and, and all of the, you
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  know, Russians and all over the, you know,
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  China and India and the BRICS countries, they
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  connect current events to historic moments, Ukrainian attacks
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  before victory day last year, you know, victory
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  day is coming up in a week, um,
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  May 9th, and vandalism against Soviet memorials during
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  the same time, they're blowing them up, knocking
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  them over.
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  And they were part of the, the Soviet,
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  uh, people that really took over Berlin and,
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  and, and marched into Berlin and took care
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  of the, uh, uh, heavy lifting as it
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  were in world war two.
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  And, uh, the great patriotic wars, what they
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  call it.
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  You talk about Odessa in 2014, you know,
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  where they, they were killing their own, killing
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  their own people who, who disagreed with their
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  point of view in Odessa 2014, there was
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  a union hall where they burned alive 40
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  people and nobody talks about it.
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  You know, that's, that's your Ukrainian national, uh,
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  people, that's your, that's your Nazis, that the,
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  uh, your nationalists, heavy, heavy nationalists hate everyone
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  else.
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  You know, you cannot be anything but Ukrainian.
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  And, uh, you did, you know, as of
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  brigades, Tokyo tribunals, Japan's wartime biological weapons that
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  we barely remember.
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  And the argument that the West selectively remembers
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  or erases history when it's inconvenient for their
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  side.
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  And the briefing is therefore not just a
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  foreign policy debate.
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  It was an ideological, you know, discussion on
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  terrorism, historical revisionism, nuclear blackmail, media censorship, and
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  Western hypocrisy.
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  Um, all as part of one system.
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  I'm not saying I necessarily believe it all,
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  you know, I bet a lot of it
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  is dead on, but that doesn't, that doesn't
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  mean I, I, I buy into completely everything
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  that is said there, but I'm telling you
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  it, there's strong indications on here and, uh,
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  it's there.
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  A lot of this stuff is true.
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  Um, Lavrov, meanwhile, was in Astana Kazakhstan where
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  he's been working.
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  Um, and then she's, uh, talked about his,
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  uh, full format meeting.
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  So bricks is going to be held in
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  India this year, September.
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  Uh, I'm checking into, uh, parameters and how
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  I get over there.
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  The it's the 18th bricks summit and it's
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  going to be held in New Delhi in
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  September.
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  And she said, uh, Lavrov is headed over
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  there for the pre-meeting the foreign ministries
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  are meeting in New Delhi, um, on May
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  14th and 15th.
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  And that's going to be a full format
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  deal.
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  I'm going to keep on talking that on
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  top of it.
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  I mean, and, uh, she said Lavrov's time
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  in India will include full bilateral visits, talks
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  with foreign ministry and attention to Russian Indian
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  relationships, preparation for intergovernmental commissions on trade,
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  economic, scientific, technical, and cultural cooperation of which
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  there is plenty between those two countries.
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  Um, then she got into Ukraine a little
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  bit and, uh, on drone and terror attacks.
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  So, um, the key of, she always calls
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  it, you can't just say like over here,
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  you can't say, uh, uh, you know, if
• 18:58
  you're on the regular TV, you can't say,
• 19:01
  uh, the conflict in Ukraine, you have to
• 19:06
  say, uh, Putin's unprovoked war of aggression, uh,
• 19:10
  against Ukraine.
• 19:11
  You know, you have to sell it when
• 19:13
  you say it well, she's doing the exact
• 19:16
  opposite.
• 19:17
  She's called every time she talks about the,
• 19:20
  about Zelensky, she says the neo-Nazi Zelensky,
• 19:24
  the key of neo-Nazi regime, a lot
• 19:27
  of which is true, by the way, there's
• 19:29
  a basis for believing that because of the
• 19:32
  support that they give to Azov's and the
• 19:35
  destruction of Russian culture, language, history, monuments, anything
• 19:40
  Russian, you know, it's nonsense.
• 19:43
  Um, they, she talks about, and she always
• 19:46
  goes into this and talks about these, uh,
• 19:49
  attacks on, uh, civilian infrastructure apartment complexes said
• 19:53
  that 200 Russian citizens last week suffered from
• 19:58
  shelling and drone attacks, 174 wounded, nine children,
• 20:03
  um, wounded 24 people killed, including two children.
• 20:08
  And then she broke it down into region
• 20:10
  by region from April 25 to 28 in
• 20:13
  Belgrade, uh, Ukrainian drone strike killed five people
• 20:16
  and injured 10, including two children, ages 12
• 20:20
  and 13 Volgograd.
• 20:22
  She said there was an attack on a
• 20:24
  fertilizer production facility where a high pressure sulfuric
• 20:27
  acid pipeline was damaged in five people suffered
• 20:31
  chemical burns in the Danetsk, uh, attacks on
• 20:35
  a civilian infrastructure killed a woman and wounded
• 20:39
  13, including two volunteers, uh, delivering humanitarian aid.
• 20:44
  Um, and, uh, Lugansk, a drone raid of
• 20:47
  the village of Slonsky in the middle of
• 20:49
  the night killed three civilians.
• 20:51
  She also said a drone wounded two elderly
• 20:53
  women in a road worker in Rubezhnoye.
• 20:56
  And then on the 26th, the targeted drone
• 20:59
  attack in Bogakovo, uh, killed two young civilians,
• 21:03
  an 18 year old man, a 28 year
• 21:04
  old woman and wounded a 15 year old
• 21:07
  boy and a young girl and a 21
• 21:10
  year old man.
• 21:11
  She talked about in Sverdlovsk that, uh, there
• 21:14
  were enemy drone hits that talked about, uh,
• 21:17
  Sevastopol where they've been attacking things in Kherson.
• 21:20
  She talked about more Krasnodar.
• 21:22
  And the conclusion is that Russia is continuing
• 21:25
  to collect evidence, prosecute, uh, human fighters, foreign
• 21:29
  missionary or mercenaries.
• 21:32
  Um, there was a sentence for Ukraine nationalist,
• 21:35
  uh, Ivan Kimnatny for killing civilians in Mariupol
• 21:40
  in February to May of 2022 and 13
• 21:43
  years for a Polish mercenary named, uh, Christoph
• 21:47
  Fladzik who fought for the Ukrainian side and
• 21:50
  was captured.
• 21:51
  Um, the talk about Odessa in 2014, because
• 21:55
  here's where people always ignore the, what led
• 22:00
  to this conflict in the first place.
• 22:03
  And, uh, you know, every few months, somebody,
• 22:10
  somebody will talk about this, whether it's a
• 22:13
  Peskov, Lavrov, Zaharov, uh, every once in a
• 22:17
  while, Putin, I'll talk about it.
• 22:19
  And, uh, it returned to May 2nd of
• 22:23
  2014, because it's 10 year anniversary coming up.
• 22:27
  It's called the Odessa trade union house tragedy.
• 22:31
  Ukrainian nationalists brutally killed dozens of innocent people
• 22:37
  who opposed the unconstitutional seizure of power.
• 22:42
  The coup carried out by the Americans, uh,
• 22:45
  you know, funded by the, uh, what was
• 22:48
  her name?
• 22:50
  Uh, man, it'll come to me when I'm
• 22:54
  not thinking about it, but, uh, uh, she,
• 22:56
  there were dozens of people who opposed this
• 22:59
  unconstitutional season of power in the trade union
• 23:02
  house.
• 23:02
  Her framing is that those people rejected the
• 23:06
  anti-constitutional and anti popular coup, which was
• 23:09
  driven by nationalists with neo-Nazi slogans and
• 23:12
  ideology of destroying anything Russian.
• 23:16
  She said that more than 40 people were
• 23:18
  burned alive in the building.
• 23:20
  And those who jumped from windows to escape
• 23:22
  the fire were beaten on the ground by
• 23:25
  the extremists.
• 23:26
  She said, the perpetrators, nobody's been punished.
• 23:29
  There's new evidence.
• 23:30
  And despite the European court of human right
• 23:32
  findings that Ukraine failed to investigate the tragedy.
• 23:37
  So Khatava argued that the Kiev regime continues
• 23:39
  to cover its tracks and protect the guilty
• 23:42
  because it treats people like Stepan Bandera.
• 23:46
  And then I forget the other guy's first
• 23:47
  name, Shukhevich as heroes.
• 23:50
  And this is important because it's one of
• 23:52
  the ideological anchors that she, you know, she
• 23:55
  talks about that ideology apparently only comes from
• 23:59
  the other side of the planet.
• 24:00
  You know, where they get to say, Oh
• 24:01
  gee, we're fighting for Ukrainian democracy.
• 24:03
  That's a lie, but that's what they get
• 24:05
  a claim when they're starting new wars is
• 24:08
  that we're doing it, but it's not, it's
• 24:09
  for energy takeover.
• 24:11
  Okay.
• 24:12
  That's what we are after with all of
• 24:14
  these wars.
• 24:15
  Then they talk about Kursk, DPRK, Democratic People's
• 24:20
  Republic of Korea, that's North Korea and nuclear
• 24:23
  blackmail, blackmail.
• 24:25
  And she talked about the Kursk region when
• 24:29
  they tried to come in April 26, uh,
• 24:33
  where they'll celebrate, sorry, they did celebrate a
• 24:37
  couple of days ago, the liberation.
• 24:39
  It's been a year since Kursk.
• 24:42
  Uh, they were driven back out of Kursk
• 24:45
  and the final remnants of it, although they
• 24:47
  never did get to Kursk proper, the city,
• 24:50
  um, or to Belgrade, uh, where they wanted
• 24:52
  to go to take over the Kursk, uh,
• 24:55
  uh, nuclear power plant.
• 24:56
  And so she talked about the fighters who
• 24:59
  entered Kursk on NATO equipment and Western produced
• 25:02
  weapons to seize and mine the Kursk nuclear
• 25:06
  power plant.
• 25:07
  She linked the plan to what she described
• 25:10
  as Kiev's daily use of nuclear weapons and
• 25:12
  nuclear energy as blackmail.
• 25:15
  And, uh, with the accompaniment of the, of
• 25:18
  the NATO, uh, masters, you know, and, uh,
• 25:22
  they talked about, uh, she talked a little
• 25:24
  bit about how Korea, uh, was in there.
• 25:26
  Remember there was talk that, uh, 10,000
• 25:28
  soldiers went over there.
• 25:29
  Nobody really knows the actual numbers, but, uh,
• 25:32
  uh, they have a, uh, article for, um,
• 25:35
  sort of, uh, agreement between Russia and North
• 25:39
  Korea to, uh, protect each other.
• 25:42
  And, uh, she talks about Chernobyl, Zaprizhia nuclear
• 25:47
  risk, um, which is everywhere.
• 25:49
  She, um, turned to the anniversary of the
• 25:52
  Chernobyl nuclear power plant accident.
• 25:55
  She accused Zelensky and the Ukrainian foreign ministry,
• 25:58
  Andrei Sebega of exploiting the anniversary to spread
• 26:02
  unsupported accusations against Russia.
• 26:04
  She said Zelensky, um, is using the international
• 26:08
  Chernobyl conference, uh, to claim that Russia wanted
• 26:11
  to turn Chernobyl and the exclusive zone into
• 26:15
  a territory of war and use the power
• 26:17
  plant for military purposes.
• 26:20
  And that is, you know, according to her,
• 26:22
  not true.
• 26:23
  I haven't seen anything in that.
• 26:25
  The only time you hear about it is
• 26:27
  now this is what, uh, uh, old, old,
• 26:31
  uh, green goblin has put out, um, about
• 26:37
  the, and then they talk about the dangerous
• 26:38
  provocations about the Zaprizhia nuclear power plant.
• 26:42
  Um, she said April 27 drone strike on
• 26:45
  the territory by Ukraine of the transport workshop
• 26:49
  said that a driver was killed.
• 26:51
  And she criticized Zelensky and Sebega for not
• 26:53
  commenting on the incident.
• 26:55
  And then they continue to accuse Russia of,
• 26:58
  uh, of the same.
• 27:00
  So this is probably, uh, the most important
• 27:03
  nuclear war segment about it.
• 27:06
  And it isn't about Iran.
• 27:08
  It's about the danger of battlefield actions around
• 27:10
  nuclear energy facilities and what Moscow accuses.
• 27:14
  And nobody ever talks about, um, she talks
• 27:17
  about Zelensky NATO membership, nuclear weapons, uh, March
• 27:21
  26 interview that, uh, Zensky gave to LeMond
• 27:25
  said that Ukraine's security guarantees should include NATO
• 27:29
  membership and nuclear weapons.
• 27:31
  She said, this is definitely trying to provoke
• 27:34
  a nuclear conflict or warning is aimed at
• 27:36
  Europe, Western Europe risks becoming the first victim
• 27:39
  of this nuclear blackmail.
• 27:41
  If it doesn't restrain its Ukrainian client is
• 27:44
  what she said.
• 27:45
  And then she talked in the bigger argument
• 27:48
  that Zelensky doesn't want peace anyway, and he
• 27:51
  just seeks endless prolonged hostilities.
• 27:54
  And the martial law is now going to
• 27:55
  be in effect till August the 2nd, they
• 27:57
  just extended it and a forced mobilization.
• 28:01
  There were several more videos put out yesterday,
• 28:04
  uh, where they're beating people and taking them
• 28:06
  on the road.
• 28:06
  And you should have seen it was downtown
• 28:07
  Kiev.
• 28:08
  And they were, there were all kinds of
• 28:10
  people filming and all kinds of people beat
• 28:13
  officers and they got one kid out, but
• 28:16
  they were trying to get four.
• 28:18
  And, uh, uh, they took, take this overweight
• 28:21
  guy and threw him in the back of
• 28:23
  the, of the, of the van.
• 28:25
  And they were recording the van, uh, license
• 28:28
  plates, stuff like that.
• 28:30
  So, and they're talking about, uh, uh, you
• 28:34
  know, not mobilization, but Mo grave is Asian,
• 28:39
  a pun implied, uh, that mobilization is sending
• 28:42
  people to the grave.
• 28:43
  And it's actually, uh, accurate.
• 28:47
  So, um, she, uh, gave a, uh, somebody
• 28:51
  gave a discussion and she cited it yesterday
• 28:54
  about the huge use of drugs in the
• 28:58
  Ukrainian armed forces.
• 28:59
  She said reports by non-governmental agencies say
• 29:02
  that 38% of the Ukrainian military personnel
• 29:06
  use amphetamines, 20% use pre Gabalin, uh,
• 29:11
  16% use, uh, salts and 13%
• 29:15
  use tramadol.
• 29:16
  She claims that more than 40% experienced
• 29:19
  using drugs before entering the military.
• 29:22
  And a quarter of those convicted for the
• 29:24
  possession of drugs, not for selling, but for
• 29:28
  possession where Ukrainian military personnel all over the
• 29:32
  territory of Ukraine.
• 29:35
  Hmm.
• 29:37
  She argued that the demand comes mainly from
• 29:39
  servicemen aged 25 to 45 is what the
• 29:42
  study said.
• 29:43
  Supplies facilitated by availability in the frontline regions,
• 29:47
  local suppliers, international criminal groups, um, from EU
• 29:51
  countries.
• 29:52
  She said synthetic drugs are packaged as vitamins
• 29:55
  and sent by mail to the front line.
• 29:58
  And then in some cases unit commanders have
• 30:00
  been charged in trading in narcotics and they
• 30:03
  ignore the addiction among their subordinates as all
• 30:05
  wars, wars, hell apparently.
• 30:07
  And the political point is that Ukraine is
• 30:10
  being transformed into an air experimental platform for
• 30:13
  treating PTSD and mental disorders with narcotics under
• 30:17
  the influence of Soros linked consultancy.
• 30:21
  And this was harsh, but, um, you know,
• 30:23
  and, and I don't know the truth of
• 30:25
  it.
• 30:25
  I just know this is what her, her
• 30:27
  briefing talked about.
• 30:28
  I looked up some other things and there's
• 30:30
  plenty of people talking about drug use in
• 30:33
  the Ukrainian military.
• 30:35
  Uh, you know, that whether the truth is
• 30:37
  among all that, nobody knows, but it's certainly,
• 30:40
  uh, uh, worthy of considering and they talk,
• 30:43
  she, she really bashed on him for a
• 30:45
  while about, uh, the desecration, especially coming up
• 30:49
  with the main nine coming up with the
• 30:51
  desecration of Soviet memorials and, uh, from the
• 30:55
  Valika Tetris to the, um, uh, great patriotic
• 30:59
  war coming up here.
• 31:00
  It's going to be the, uh, uh, 81st,
• 31:05
  81st anniversary.
• 31:06
  Yeah.
• 31:06
  I believe is where we are.
• 31:08
  So in the Kiev's neo-Nazi regime continues
• 31:10
  to destroy these memorials.
• 31:12
  Uh, Canada trained, uh, she cited Canadian journalist
• 31:17
  David Pugliese who she said published an article
• 31:20
  April 15, exposing the uncomfortable fact for Canada,
• 31:24
  that from January 13 to February 5th, Ukrainian
• 31:28
  soldier who attended command courses for Ukrainian military
• 31:32
  and national guard, uh, personnel at the Royal
• 31:35
  military college, the Canadian military were concerned that
• 31:39
  he was connected to the ads ops.
• 31:41
  And she said, their complaints were ignored.
• 31:43
  Military leadership already knew of his affiliation and,
• 31:48
  uh, defense minister, David McGinty and a defense
• 31:51
  spokesman were cited as saying Canada's mandate never
• 31:54
  included training as our fighters and the Ukrainians
• 31:56
  have been told not to send as off
• 31:59
  personnel.
• 32:00
  And this, uh, you know, another form of
• 32:02
  hypocrisy, according to Zakharova, her argument is that
• 32:06
  Canada condemns Nazism verbally, but politically, financially, informationally,
• 32:11
  and militarily, they support such structure tied to
• 32:14
  these, uh, Ukrainian ultra nationalists.
• 32:17
  And, uh, the earliest scandal, uh, involving Yaroslav
• 32:21
  Honka, remember the guy who showed up, the,
• 32:23
  uh, Ukrainian Waffen SS veteran that stood up
• 32:27
  and was applauded in the Ukrainian parliament.
• 32:30
  Nobody knew he was a Nazi.
• 32:31
  And on a positive note, she said that
• 32:34
  many Canadian military personnel object to training as
• 32:38
  of link figures.
• 32:39
  And, uh, uh, that's, and we're also willing
• 32:42
  to, uh, bring up the issue.
• 32:44
  She talked about Nord stream, investigative journalism failures.
• 32:48
  She talked about, uh, in depth about the
• 32:51
  report, uh, Bangladeshi nuclear power plant.
• 32:54
  I told you about that yesterday.
• 32:56
  Um, the EU treatment of Russian journalists, and
• 33:01
  this is serious, um, Russia, uh, uh, Russian
• 33:06
  journalists are expelled.
• 33:07
  She said Russia's online briefing accreditation is open
• 33:10
  to journalists from all countries.
• 33:11
  I got in there and it was easy.
• 33:14
  I filed my paperwork and I was at
• 33:17
  the BRICS conference and I, and I'm not
• 33:19
  some well-known national journalist, you know, that,
• 33:22
  that people had and, and, and, uh, they
• 33:24
  allowed me in what's no problem there.
• 33:27
  I sent my stuff to the ministry of
• 33:28
  defense, boom, proved a little bit later.
• 33:31
  That was that they were, they were, you
• 33:33
  know, they investigate you.
• 33:34
  You had to fill out a, um, a
• 33:36
  form, tell what your history is, whether you're
• 33:38
  in the military, blah, blah, blah.
• 33:39
  I told them all about myself and that
• 33:41
  was it.
• 33:42
  And, uh, she said that former, uh, MEP
• 33:44
  for Ferdinand Cartizer questioned whether the decision to
• 33:48
  comply with the EU press freedom norms, because
• 33:50
  they're getting rid of people.
• 33:53
  Uh, they denying EU accreditation to Yuri Aparelov,
• 33:58
  uh, Ria Novosti chief correspondent in Brussels and
• 34:02
  EU officials repeatedly claim sanctions don't prevent media
• 34:05
  workers from performing their professional work, but they
• 34:09
  can be denied access to any of the
• 34:11
  hearings, any of the, the, the news of
• 34:14
  the day.
• 34:15
  And so, uh, I don't know, there was
• 34:18
  plenty of, uh, she did talk about, remember
• 34:20
  me telling you a couple of days ago
• 34:21
  about merits and his comments, German chancellor saying
• 34:25
  that they're going to have to give up
• 34:26
  some lines.
• 34:26
  She goes, finally, they were there.
• 34:27
  They talked about the, uh, uh, the seizure,
• 34:31
  uh, in the question and answer period, there's
• 34:33
  a Russian archeologist named Alexander Mikhailovich Butyogin who,
• 34:38
  uh, was detained in Poland in December, 2025
• 34:40
  at Ukraine's request.
• 34:43
  And then release, release later.
• 34:45
  And, and, um, you know, she said that
• 34:47
  a Russian foreign ministry had been trying to
• 34:49
  get him, uh, for some time.
• 34:51
  And, uh, they talked about UNESCO and these
• 34:54
  sites in UNESCO that, uh, there are now
• 34:56
  two of them in Russia and UNESCO, these
• 34:59
  global geo parks network.
• 35:00
  And, uh, it's in the Toratau region and
• 35:02
  Bashkortostan.
• 35:04
  And I believe Bashkortostan is where I was
• 35:06
  in the city of Ufa.
• 35:08
  Uh, but maybe that's, maybe that's, maybe I
• 35:13
  got to sit, maybe I got the region
• 35:14
  wrong, but, uh, there are two, there are
• 35:16
  a couple of UNESCO sites in there and
• 35:18
  they treat them.
• 35:19
  They're, you know, they're UNESCO sites.
• 35:22
  They keep putting tons of money in all
• 35:23
  over the world, the, to rebuild history and
• 35:26
  put it in there.
• 35:27
  She talked a little bit about Mali, Georgia
• 35:30
  victory day in the shared Soviet memory, uh,
• 35:32
  Georgian outlet asked her whether to fight against
• 35:35
  fat fascism in the great patriotic war is
• 35:38
  one of the most glorious episodes of the
• 35:39
  war.
• 35:39
  It's one of the most glorious episodes of
• 35:40
  shared history uniting the people of Russia and
• 35:42
  Georgia.
• 35:43
  Now, this was clearly, I don't want to
• 35:45
  say clearly a stage question cause it wasn't
• 35:47
  staged, but it was clearly, um, the Georgian
• 35:50
  guy was, uh, talking to his home audience,
• 35:53
  let's call it that.
• 35:54
  And she thanked him for treating victory day
• 35:56
  as a common holiday rather than dividing it
• 35:59
  like Ukraine does into our holidays, their holidays.
• 36:02
  And she gave the numbers with a population
• 36:04
  of approximately 3.5 million in the Georgian
• 36:07
  SSR 700,000 had been sent to the
• 36:11
  front and half of them did not return.
• 36:13
  So 350,000 just from, uh, the small
• 36:17
  country of Georgia.
• 36:19
  Now America, we had 600,000 that we
• 36:21
  sent only toward the end.
• 36:22
  And she said, those numbers speak powerfully about
• 36:25
  a powerfully about the, uh, the rhetoric.
• 36:27
  And, uh, so, you know, she didn't really
• 36:31
  talk about Iran and they didn't put much
• 36:35
  in there, but this is nuclear reality versus
• 36:38
  nuclear theater.
• 36:40
  On one side, Sakharova presents Ukraine in the
• 36:43
  West as using rhetoric pressure, Chernobyl accusations, Zaporizhia
• 36:49
  claims, Zelensky's nuclear weapon language, alleged threats of
• 36:52
  Kursk nuclear power plant.
• 36:54
  And then the other side, she says Russia's
• 36:56
  building the Rapport nuclear power plant in Bangladesh.
• 36:59
  They're loading fuel, preparing energy startups and helping
• 37:02
  that developed country meet 12% of its
• 37:05
  electricity needs.
• 37:06
  And, you know, they're helping, uh, India do
• 37:09
  the same.
• 37:10
  And so then she talks about the war
• 37:13
  on, on memory, the Western institutions aren't neutral
• 37:17
  that they always twist, uh, what they, you
• 37:21
  know, put out from the Russian side.
• 37:25
  Um, now I'm going to provide for you,
• 37:28
  uh, we're going to do Zolota, uh, later
• 37:30
  in the show, but, uh, I heard a
• 37:32
  song yesterday and this, that's how I often
• 37:34
  pick the songs that I'm going to take.
• 37:36
  I told you I have a huge song
• 37:38
  list in my iTunes.
• 37:39
  So if I'm listening to it in the
• 37:40
  car or something, you know, I'll take a
• 37:42
  song.
• 37:43
  I'm going to play for you one that
• 37:44
  I particularly liked.
• 37:46
  And those of you who might recognize this
• 37:48
  voice, this is, uh, Dennis D young, um,
• 37:52
  his solo album, which he did.
• 37:54
  Um, and I particularly liked was called desert
• 37:58
  moon.
• 37:59
  And, uh, I always wondered if he was
• 38:00
  still doing shows somewhere like in a hall
• 38:04
  or something, but the style between him and
• 38:06
  Tommy Shaw was a completely, uh, uh, you
• 38:10
  know, different.
• 38:10
  And one of the reasons for the breakup
• 38:12
  of sticks, but, uh, here we go.
• 38:14
  And I just happened to like this song.
• 38:15
  It's called gravity and it's gravity that just
• 38:19
  keeps pulling me down.
• 38:23
  And that friends and neighbors was Dennis D
• 38:26
  young.
• 38:27
  And, uh, the song, uh, from the desert
• 38:30
  moon album, gravity and it's gravity keeps pulling
• 38:35
  me down.
• 38:36
  You know that gravity, it'll do that to
• 38:38
  you.
• 38:39
  Um, you just don't want to have it
• 38:41
  pull you down so low that you got
• 38:43
  to reach up to touch the bottom or
• 38:44
  so low that you got to play hand
• 38:46
  ball against the curb.
• 38:48
  You know, those are that's low.
• 38:51
  Um, I'm going to get into, because I
• 38:54
  like it.
• 38:54
  Um, I want to get into the, uh,
• 38:59
  uh, what was said in front of the
• 39:03
  U N.
• 39:04
  So this, this second segment, if you will,
• 39:11
  is, uh, more, much more directly nuclear than
• 39:16
  Zakharova.
• 39:16
  She talked about a lot of stuff in
• 39:18
  the center of gravity is a guy named
• 39:20
  Raphael Grossi, the director general of the IAEA,
• 39:23
  the international atomic energy agency speaking around the,
• 39:27
  uh, non-proliferation treaty review conference and answering
• 39:32
  questions on Iran, Ukraine, Zaporizhia attacks on nuclear
• 39:36
  facilities, and the future of the JCPOA, the
• 39:39
  danger of the broad nuclear breakdown and the
• 39:42
  fact that I ran has now obtained, get
• 39:45
  this.
• 39:45
  If you were unaware of this, this is
• 39:47
  a big deal.
• 39:49
  Iran is now in the vice presidential position
• 39:52
  of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty review conference
• 39:58
  elected position, by the way, by the rest
• 40:01
  of the members, the theme is this, the
• 40:03
  West wants to speak as if Iran's nuclear
• 40:05
  file is already morally and legally closed with
• 40:09
  current Tehran cast as the villain and Washington
• 40:11
  as the sheriff Grossi is a little more
• 40:14
  careful.
• 40:14
  And in several places, they, uh, uh, he
• 40:18
  undercuts, uh, the aggressive Western talking points.
• 40:22
  You know, he doesn't say I ran his
• 40:23
  innocent, but he doesn't say that I ran,
• 40:26
  uh, has been completely transparent, but he also
• 40:33
  doesn't confirm the claim that I ran was
• 40:36
  proven to be on the verge of a
• 40:38
  nuclear bomb.
• 40:39
  And he repeatedly returns to the need for
• 40:41
  inspection, verification, access and negotiation rather than these
• 40:46
  idiotic slogans and airstrikes.
• 40:49
  And, uh, he said, um, a lot of
• 40:52
  it was saying, look, quit bombing the crap
• 40:54
  out of stuff because you're going to create
• 40:56
  bigger problems than what, you know, than what
• 40:59
  would have existed.
• 41:01
  And one of them, well, I'll get into
• 41:03
  some of the points.
• 41:04
  It's a, this is a section that might
• 41:06
  take me a while to go through.
• 41:08
  Um, when he was asked directly, whether the
• 41:11
  I a E a new Iran was close
• 41:15
  to producing a nuclear weapon, he said the
• 41:18
  situation in Iran is concerning because I ran,
• 41:21
  didn't give the I a E a sufficient
• 41:24
  access to certain places, activities, and explanation.
• 41:28
  And because that lack of access, uh, caused
• 41:32
  the agency to lose continuity of knowledge.
• 41:35
  Now he did say that the day they
• 41:38
  were supposed to get access is the day
• 41:41
  that America and Israel started bombing last year.
• 41:46
  You know, that the day they were supposed
• 41:48
  to get access to verify some of these
• 41:50
  things.
• 41:51
  And, and that, that the very same day
• 41:54
  Netanyahu starts bombing.
• 41:56
  Well, you could take that to mean, and
• 41:58
  he didn't say it, he's a political, it
• 42:00
  seems.
• 42:01
  And he didn't say it, but I'll say
• 42:03
  it.
• 42:03
  You could take that point of view that
• 42:06
  they knew they wouldn't find and they wanted
• 42:09
  the rhetoric to be otherwise they knew they
• 42:13
  wouldn't find weaponized.
• 42:15
  Okay.
• 42:16
  And not to the level that they're claiming.
• 42:18
  And so him not saying this, he said
• 42:21
  this, uh, uh, this continuity or the loss
• 42:25
  of knowledge is, has, was a result that
• 42:32
  kept them from verifying that Iran was in
• 42:36
  still in peaceful use.
• 42:37
  This is a serious statement, but it's not
• 42:40
  the same thing that saying that Iran made
• 42:43
  the decision to weaponize or that IAEA possessed
• 42:46
  evidence of an imminent threat.
• 42:48
  His language is bureaucratic, cautious, and importantly, he
• 42:51
  described elements of concern, no proof of any
• 42:55
  active weapons build out.
• 42:56
  He specifically said he would not get into
• 43:00
  whether Iran was a short or long distance
• 43:03
  from manufacturing nuclear weapons.
• 43:05
  And that's a distinction that matters in Washington.
• 43:08
  The uncertainty gets turned into proof.
• 43:11
  Proof gets turned into permission to bomb, whether
• 43:14
  it's for Israel to bomb or for the
• 43:17
  U S themselves to bomb like it was
• 43:19
  last year.
• 43:20
  Either way, I don't support it.
• 43:22
  The reason the non proliferation treaties existed were
• 43:26
  to have these verification mechanisms like the onsite
• 43:29
  inspections agency back in its day, the nuclear
• 43:32
  threat reduction agency, which took over the IAEA
• 43:36
  on an international level.
• 43:38
  And you know, the, uh, nuclear threat reduction
• 43:41
  agency has several more agency, but it used
• 43:43
  to be mainly just the U S and,
• 43:46
  uh, Russia.
• 43:47
  And, uh, you know, that's the agency I
• 43:49
  was part of.
• 43:50
  And the second major point that, uh, gross
• 43:53
  he made clear as that the IAEA problem
• 43:57
  is access, not magical certainty.
• 44:00
  He asked whether the agency, or he had
• 44:03
  been asked whether the agency had evidence that
• 44:05
  Iran was close to a bomb.
• 44:07
  And, and he said, you can't have this
• 44:08
  evidence when it isn't given access to places
• 44:12
  to answer those questions.
• 44:14
  And this gives the West a legitimate argument
• 44:17
  to say that Iran's restricted cooperations creates danger,
• 44:20
  but it cuts the more theatrical claim that
• 44:23
  the world already knows what Iran is doing
• 44:26
  behind every mountain and under every tunnel.
• 44:30
  There's your bombing the crap out of it.
• 44:32
  And that's half the reason or more that
• 44:34
  the IAEA can't get in there to inspect.
• 44:38
  And gross.
• 44:38
  He said that Iran has a very complicated
• 44:40
  history over the years moments of compliance.
• 44:43
  They have some hidden activities, but many, many
• 44:45
  moments of compliance, especially during the JCPOA.
• 44:49
  He said the IAEA gathered information since late
• 44:52
  2019 and early 2020 about undeclared activities and
• 44:57
  face gradually restricted access.
• 44:59
  But that's not any sort of acquittal, but
• 45:01
  it also isn't an endorsement to the blunt
• 45:03
  claim that we knew they were building the
• 45:05
  bomb like is being passed around here.
• 45:07
  The more precise statement is that the IAEA
• 45:11
  had unresolved questions and that the access made
• 45:15
  verification impossible.
• 45:18
  And that is continuing today.
• 45:20
  And he wants back to access creating something
• 45:24
  in a new clear diplomacy.
• 45:27
  You know, this is serious on either side
• 45:30
  of the aisle.
• 45:32
  Okay.
• 45:32
  So his remarks on Isfahan are especially important.
• 45:35
  He said, the IAEA believes much of Iran's
• 45:38
  highly enriched uranium remains at Isfahan.
• 45:41
  And he said, the agency believes the stockpile
• 45:44
  is still there and acknowledges that without inspection,
• 45:48
  they can't completely exclude movement to the material.
• 45:50
  He explained the uranium stored in cylinders in
• 45:53
  gaseous form, which makes movement possible, but logistically
• 45:57
  delicate because material is contaminating and requires care.
• 46:01
  He also said the material is believed to
• 46:03
  be stored in tunnel areas at Isfahan in
• 46:06
  a compound, including storage, research, development, and other
• 46:08
  nuclear fuel cycle activity.
• 46:11
  This is a crucial point of fact, even
• 46:14
  after strikes, even after claims that all this
• 46:17
  was obliterated, the central question is not settled
• 46:21
  by a press conference in the West.
• 46:24
  The material exists.
• 46:26
  It's dangerous.
• 46:27
  It requires verification and the IAEA still needs
• 46:32
  access access, which they don't get in Israel
• 46:35
  because Israel didn't sign up for non proliferation
• 46:39
  or JCPOA.
• 46:41
  AP's recent report, likewise says that grossly believes
• 46:45
  that the majority of Iran's highly enriched uranium
• 46:47
  likely remains at Isfahan, which can hold about
• 46:50
  440.9 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60
• 46:54
  % according to the IAEA.
• 46:56
  And so one of the biggest contradictions in
• 46:58
  the Western narrative is this, the claim that
• 47:02
  Iran's nuclear program is obliterated.
• 47:05
  If the program were truly obliterated, obliterated, and
• 47:11
  I wanted to illiterate what I just said
• 47:14
  in the way Washington's political messaging suggests grossly
• 47:19
  in front of the UN would not be
• 47:22
  talking about the need to inspect Isfahan, Natanz,
• 47:26
  Fordow, storage tunnels and undeclared or newly declared
• 47:30
  facilities.
• 47:31
  He wouldn't be talking about whether highly enriched
• 47:34
  uranium remains accessible or could be moved.
• 47:37
  He wouldn't be talking about future verification needs
• 47:41
  of non proliferation.
• 47:43
  The actual nuclear reality is much messier.
• 47:47
  The strikes may have caused serious damage, but
• 47:51
  grosses comments indicate that damage to facilities is
• 47:54
  not the same thing as verified elimination of
• 47:57
  nuclear materials, nuclear knowledge, nuclear infrastructure, or nuclear
• 48:02
  capability.
• 48:04
  A centrifuge hall can be damaged.
• 48:06
  Uranium can still remain.
• 48:08
  A building can be destroyed, but the expertise
• 48:11
  survives.
• 48:13
  A tunnel can be bombed and inspectors still
• 48:15
  need to verify what's inside.
• 48:17
  That's why military slogans and nuclear safeguards are
• 48:20
  not the same thing.
• 48:23
  One is political theater, which is, you know,
• 48:25
  the constant, you know, for us, the other
• 48:28
  involves measuring cylinders, seals, cameras, access logs, enrichment
• 48:34
  levels, chains of custody and get back to
• 48:36
  the nuclear nonproliferation verification activities.
• 48:40
  The new underground facility issue also cuts across
• 48:43
  the cartoon versions of the same story.
• 48:46
  Grasso said, Grassy, I'm sorry, said I ran
• 48:49
  itself declared the new facility at Isfahan last
• 48:52
  year.
• 48:53
  And the IAEA immediately requested access and access
• 48:56
  was granted, but the inspectors never reached the
• 49:00
  site because the 12 day war began the
• 49:02
  same day they were on their way to
• 49:05
  the site, he said.
• 49:07
  And he therefore said the agency couldn't determine
• 49:09
  whether the site was simply an empty hole
• 49:11
  or a place already fitted with centrifuge in
• 49:13
  Cascades.
• 49:14
  And when he asked, when he was asked
• 49:16
  what evidence the IAEA had, that this was
• 49:18
  a, an enrichment facility, he said bluntly, none
• 49:22
  beyond Iran's declaration and the agency's request for
• 49:25
  access, though it was already an object of
• 49:29
  interest.
• 49:30
  This is devastating to the overheated rhetoric about
• 49:33
  secret facilities.
• 49:34
  If presented honestly, Iran declared it.
• 49:39
  The IAEA asked to inspect it.
• 49:41
  Inspection was granted, but interrupted the same day
• 49:46
  they were going to see it by war.
• 49:49
  It doesn't prove that Iran is innocent, but
• 49:52
  it does make a mockery of anybody pretending
• 49:54
  that bombing creates clarity.
• 49:57
  Bombing creates less clarity, not more.
• 50:00
  It's nuts.
• 50:02
  Grassy was asked about president Trump's claim that
• 50:05
  Iran is trying to reconstitute its weapon program
• 50:08
  at a different site, possibly under granted or
• 50:10
  near what was referred to as the pickaxe
• 50:12
  mountain.
• 50:13
  Again, he would not endorse that claim.
• 50:16
  He said the IAEA had not been given
• 50:18
  access to the area since the prior year
• 50:21
  and certainly wouldn't during the war and was
• 50:24
  aware of some information.
• 50:26
  He had seen some things, but he said
• 50:27
  that without inspecting the site, he could not
• 50:30
  speculate.
• 50:32
  When he was pressed on whether Iran is
• 50:34
  trying to reconstitute a weapons program, he said
• 50:37
  there was some activity, but whether it was
• 50:39
  aimed at the kind of activity to create
• 50:41
  weapons couldn't be said until inspection occurred.
• 50:45
  And on pickaxe mountain specifically, he said the
• 50:48
  Iranians had announced an intention to have nuclear
• 50:50
  activity there and that it was not a
• 50:53
  secret.
• 50:54
  He placed it in the context of Iran's
• 50:56
  post 2021 effort to put sensitive facilities underground
• 51:00
  after attacks on workshops at Natanz.
• 51:03
  Gee wonder who did that.
• 51:05
  Once again, the dividing line is not whether
• 51:08
  Iran is trusted, it's whether claims are verified
• 51:10
  and they're not.
• 51:12
  Grossi's answer was not nothing to see here.
• 51:14
  It was do not speculate without inspection and
• 51:17
  we can't get inspection here.
• 51:19
  I mean, this was a pretty good video
• 51:24
  and discussions and the stockpile number is the
• 51:27
  part that needs to be followed up in
• 51:30
  the UN press conferences.
• 51:32
  Grossi said the last time inspectors were there,
• 51:35
  the quantity was 440 something kilograms, roughly 900
• 51:38
  pounds, and that it was sealed by the
• 51:40
  IAEA.
• 51:42
  He said the issue must be addressed in
• 51:43
  whatever physical condition the material is in because
• 51:46
  a lot of highly enriched material close to
• 51:49
  weapons grade.
• 51:50
  The AP report gives the number as 440
• 51:53
  .9 kilograms of uranium enriched to 60%.
• 51:56
  Remember that's what he was saying was in
• 51:58
  a gaseous form, technically short of weapons grade
• 52:02
  90%, but close enough to create serious proliferation
• 52:05
  concern.
• 52:06
  That's the strongest factual argument against pretending that
• 52:10
  Iran's nuclear file is a minor issue.
• 52:13
  It's not a minor issue, but you can't
• 52:16
  verify it if all you're doing is bombing
• 52:18
  them.
• 52:18
  And they gave the verification unlike other countries.
• 52:23
  Hello Israel, who are not part of this
• 52:26
  and never will be.
• 52:27
  Nobody knows what they have because they won't
• 52:29
  do it, but they're all too willing to
• 52:31
  bomb the crap out of Iran, you know,
• 52:34
  to keep them from it.
• 52:35
  But nobody discusses what they have and nobody
• 52:38
  gets an inspection.
• 52:39
  Everybody has to be open, including the United
• 52:41
  States, nobody else.
• 52:44
  You know, grossies position is still inspection centered.
• 52:47
  He did not say this proves an Iranian
• 52:50
  weapon exists.
• 52:51
  He said the material has to be checked.
• 52:54
  So the agency can confirm there hasn't been
• 52:57
  a diversion and it's a, this is the
• 53:00
  stockpile issue is more flexible than, uh, you
• 53:03
  know, the rhetoric suggests.
• 53:04
  He confirmed that different scenarios had been under
• 53:07
  discussion, including shipping the material out of Iran
• 53:10
  or downgrading down blending it.
• 53:13
  He said down blending, blending could be part
• 53:16
  of the solution, but not the entire solution
• 53:18
  because the agreement would also have to address
• 53:20
  what activities could continue in Iran, what facilities
• 53:25
  could exist and what future enrichment levels would
• 53:27
  be permitted.
• 53:29
  That's a useful way to explain the diplomatic
• 53:31
  reality.
• 53:34
  Uranium stockpiles are one problem, but not the
• 53:37
  only problem.
• 53:38
  You can ship out or down blend material,
• 53:41
  but if enrichment continues at high levels without
• 53:44
  any sort of durable inspection regime, the same
• 53:48
  crisis will appear year after year with a
• 53:51
  new data on the calendar, a new bombing
• 53:54
  by the U S and Israel, even right
• 53:58
  in the middle of negotiations, twice, 12 year,
• 54:02
  12 day war.
• 54:03
  And then this year, same thing.
• 54:06
  The day the investment, the mediations work being
• 54:09
  conducted, they bombed the crap out of it.
• 54:12
  The day the IAEA showed up that to
• 54:14
  me, shows bad faith on the Western side.
• 54:18
  So, you know, you want to, you want
• 54:19
  to play diplomacy, really play diplomacy, quit playing
• 54:23
  around with BS, you know, and treat everybody
• 54:26
  the same.
• 54:27
  Why aren't we worried about Israel creating war
• 54:30
  over in the Middle East?
• 54:32
  That's what they do.
• 54:33
  It's what they live for.
• 54:34
  They go, they create war.
• 54:36
  That's it.
• 54:36
  What else do they do?
• 54:38
  You know, they, they, they, they kill locals,
• 54:41
  you know, this settlers get to go in
• 54:43
  and kill other settlers, you know, that don't
• 54:46
  agree with them religiously.
• 54:47
  That's okay.
• 54:48
  No problem.
• 54:49
  We allow that in the West bank.
• 54:51
  We allow that in Palestine.
• 54:53
  We allow it everywhere because it's Israel.
• 54:55
  Nobody else can do it.
• 54:57
  You know, God forbid, you know, well, if
• 54:59
  you want to say it's blessed by God,
• 55:02
  but grossly is saying essentially that nothing is
• 55:04
  agreed until everything is agreed.
• 55:07
  Makes sense.
• 55:08
  Material facilities, subsequent activities, future activity all have
• 55:13
  to line up.
• 55:15
  He also made it clear that negotiations aren't
• 55:18
  optional.
• 55:19
  All of this crap doesn't, doesn't get rid
• 55:22
  of the key issues on nuclear non-perishable
• 55:25
  proliferation.
• 55:26
  When he's asked whether negotiations remain possible after
• 55:29
  major Iranian figures are just all killed, he
• 55:33
  answered that negotiations are still necessary.
• 55:36
  That's an important word.
• 55:37
  He didn't say desirable.
• 55:39
  He didn't say polite.
• 55:40
  He didn't say diplomatic window dressing.
• 55:42
  He said necessary.
• 55:44
  He said there is continuity of the state
• 55:46
  and that the parties will have to return
• 55:49
  to the negotiating table if they want to
• 55:52
  avoid repeating a war scenario every nine months
• 55:56
  to a year.
• 55:57
  That's his words, not mine.
• 55:58
  That is the cold adult answer in the
• 56:01
  room, but nobody's adults here.
• 56:03
  Everybody has a political angle.
• 56:08
  Here it's money, you know, here it's money
• 56:10
  controlling energy and allowing Israel to dictate what
• 56:14
  you will do in America.
• 56:16
  Um, you know, you want to talk about
• 56:18
  adults in the room.
• 56:19
  There are none.
• 56:20
  Uh, well, except maybe grossly, you know, it
• 56:23
  was a pretty, it was a pretty good,
• 56:24
  and he was came across as extremely reasonable
• 56:27
  and well spoken, obviously knowledgeable and the right
• 56:32
  person for the right job.
• 56:34
  So I don't know.
• 56:37
  Airstrikes may will delay damage, punish, or more
• 56:40
  importantly, just create a signal for what's going
• 56:43
  to happen, right?
• 56:45
  Um, they don't create a stable verification architecture.
• 56:50
  They don't tell inspectors what's in the tunnels.
• 56:52
  They don't produce chain of custody records for
• 56:55
  any uranium cylinder.
• 56:57
  And eventually somebody has to sit down and
• 57:00
  write an agreement that inspectors can actually implement.
• 57:04
  And you can't do that if you can't
• 57:06
  sit down at the table.
• 57:09
  Um, you know, they talked about the JCPOA
• 57:11
  and, uh, this is an uncomfortable point for
• 57:14
  both sides really.
• 57:15
  He didn't defend the old Obama era agreement
• 57:18
  as any sort of sufficient starting point at
• 57:21
  the UN conference.
• 57:22
  He said he did not see the JCPOA
• 57:24
  as a point of departure because the agreement
• 57:27
  had its logic 11 years ago when Iran's
• 57:30
  nuclear problem program was smaller, uh, used a
• 57:33
  much more limited centrifuge base and had lower
• 57:36
  capacity.
• 57:36
  He said Iran has made exponential process, including
• 57:40
  latest generation centrifuges, additional compounds at Isfahan and
• 57:46
  new facilities that gives Trump critics and Trump
• 57:48
  supporters, both something to wrestle with.
• 57:51
  Trump can say the old deal is no
• 57:53
  longer adequate, but Grossi didn't say that it
• 57:55
  proves bombing is the correct answer.
• 57:57
  Nor did he say that the old deal
• 57:59
  would have automatically produced an Iranian bomb.
• 58:02
  He said the technical landscape changed and that
• 58:05
  any new agreement has to be built for
• 58:07
  the nuclear program that exists now, not the
• 58:10
  one that existed a decade ago.
• 58:13
  And then they also talked about the broader
• 58:15
  Middle East nuclear weapons free zone question when
• 58:18
  asked which country in the Middle East poses
• 58:21
  the greatest impediment to such a zone.
• 58:25
  Grossi refused to name one state as the
• 58:29
  main obstacle.
• 58:32
  Curious.
• 58:33
  He, one state, he knows what it is.
• 58:36
  All of us know what it is, but
• 58:37
  he wouldn't say it.
• 58:39
  And he's a political or tries to be,
• 58:41
  he called it a collective responsibility and said
• 58:44
  all countries in the region need to uphold
• 58:48
  the non-proliferation treaties and Israel is not
• 58:52
  and will not.
• 58:53
  They, you know, they need to work for
• 58:55
  a world with fewer nuclear weapons, not bomb
• 58:59
  the crap out of people you disagree with.
• 59:00
  And you know, I think the first person,
• 59:03
  as I've said repeatedly, my, my bet, if
• 59:06
  I was betting like that, a soldier bet
• 59:08
  on the Maduro thing, if you want to
• 59:10
  put something in that you're going to bet
• 59:11
  on, who's going to throw the first the
• 59:14
  first nuclear bomb, it's Netanyahu.
• 59:17
  You know, if he gets reelected this year,
• 59:18
  he's going to be emboldened and you know,
• 59:21
  he'll toss it, he'll keep bombing whether he
• 59:25
  goes nuclear or not.
• 59:26
  I don't know, but I still say that
• 59:27
  he's the most likely suspect.
• 59:30
  And, uh, and you know, whether anyone upholds
• 59:33
  international law, you know, in Israel, forget it.
• 59:37
  You know, that's not true.
• 59:38
  It's a diplomatically, you know, unpopular, but that's
• 59:41
  the point.
• 59:42
  He didn't take debate and name Iran or
• 59:45
  Israel in the regional context that matters because
• 59:48
  Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal is the greatest unsaid
• 59:52
  fact in most conversations about Middle East non
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  -proliferation.
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  Iranian envoy Reza Najafi seized on that exact
• 1:00:02
  double standard in a separate document concerning Iran's
• 1:00:06
  election as vice president of the nuclear pollution
• 1:00:09
  treaty review conference.
• 1:00:11
  And he accuses Washington of shielding Israel's undeclared
• 1:00:15
  nuclear stockpile and then lecturing Iran on treaty
• 1:00:19
  obligations.
• 1:00:20
  But nobody ever says the same about Israel.
• 1:00:23
  Why not?
• 1:00:24
  They just ignore it.
• 1:00:25
  This is where Iran's vice presidential position at
• 1:00:28
  the NPT review conference is politically explosive.
• 1:00:32
  According to the, to the election and the
• 1:00:36
  current reporting on it, Iran was elected as
• 1:00:38
  one of the vice presidents of the nuclear
• 1:00:41
  non-proliferation treaty review conference.
• 1:00:43
  And they were non, they were nominated by
• 1:00:46
  the non-aligned movement, which represents 121 States
• 1:00:50
  and Reuters reports that Iran was appointed on
• 1:00:54
  the month long NPT review conference selected by
• 1:00:58
  a group of non-aligned and other States,
• 1:01:01
  prompting a sharp clash with the U S
• 1:01:03
  delegation.
• 1:01:05
  There's a surprise, huh?
• 1:01:06
  Washington gets to say what non-proliferation is.
• 1:01:09
  Nobody else.
• 1:01:10
  And why have this non-proliferation treaty review
• 1:01:13
  conference and have Iran on it?
• 1:01:16
  Oh my God.
• 1:01:18
  We have, but I bet you, I bet
• 1:01:19
  you they have no problem ignoring the fact
• 1:01:22
  that Israel won't even pretend that non-proliferation
• 1:01:26
  is an issue for them.
• 1:01:28
  Washington called the appointment and a friend to
• 1:01:31
  Washington and Iran's ambassador, like I said, rejected
• 1:01:34
  accusations and said that they are politically motivated
• 1:01:39
  and that appointment isn't ceremonial.
• 1:01:41
  It tells us something about the balance of
• 1:01:42
  opinion outside of the West.
• 1:01:45
  The West can dominate the headlines, sanctions, banking,
• 1:01:49
  military coalitions, but it cannot dominate procedural politics
• 1:01:53
  of the United Nations.
• 1:01:55
  And increasingly they don't.
• 1:01:58
  Iran's elevation to the vice president role at
• 1:02:01
  an NPT review conference is an insult to
• 1:02:04
  Washington precisely because it shows that a large
• 1:02:07
  block of States do not accept American framing
• 1:02:11
  that Iran should be treated as an outlaw
• 1:02:13
  with no legitimate voice in nuclear governance.
• 1:02:16
  The non-aligned movement has long defended the
• 1:02:19
  right to peaceful nuclear technology, but also calls
• 1:02:23
  for genuine nuclear disarmament.
• 1:02:28
  I too say that Trump has said similar
• 1:02:31
  things in that worldview.
• 1:02:33
  The scandal is not only Iran's enrichment.
• 1:02:37
  The scandal is also the permanent nuclear privilege
• 1:02:39
  of the weapon States, the slow pace of
• 1:02:42
  disarmament, the exception carved out and nobody mentions
• 1:02:47
  it for Israel and the tendency of Washington
• 1:02:50
  to treat non-proliferation as a club it
• 1:02:53
  owns rather than a treaty regime.
• 1:02:56
  It must obey too.
• 1:02:58
  If we want to give nuclear weapons of
• 1:03:00
  Poland, Oh yeah, no problem.
• 1:03:01
  Finland, Ukraine, all of them have asked for
• 1:03:05
  it this year.
• 1:03:07
  Just in the last year, they all want
• 1:03:09
  nuclear weapons and non-proliferation to those treaties.
• 1:03:12
  Well, we get to call them the good
• 1:03:14
  guys.
• 1:03:15
  You know, why is that a problem?
• 1:03:16
  The US reaction is predictably furious.
• 1:03:19
  The uploaded notes that they put out for
• 1:03:24
  this conference by the US envoy, he claims
• 1:03:28
  that Iran showed contempt for this treaty.
• 1:03:32
  I ran shows contempt for the treaty.
• 1:03:35
  Israel won't even read the treaty.
• 1:03:39
  Israel is not a member and Austria, the
• 1:03:43
  UAE, Britain, France, Germany echoed the same concern.
• 1:03:47
  Russia rejected the attempt to single out Iran.
• 1:03:50
  The Jaffe answered by accusing the US of
• 1:03:52
  hypocrisy points out that the US is the
• 1:03:54
  only state ever to have used a nuclear
• 1:03:56
  weapon in war and accuses Washington of expanding
• 1:03:59
  its own nuclear arsenal and demanding obedience from
• 1:04:02
  others.
• 1:04:02
  He attacked the US position toward Israel's undeclared
• 1:04:05
  nuclear capability.
• 1:04:07
  This is precisely the argument that resonates all
• 1:04:12
  over the global South and the rest of
• 1:04:14
  the world.
• 1:04:14
  The West demands non-proliferation from adversaries but
• 1:04:19
  tolerates nuclear ambiguity from Israel and modernizing its
• 1:04:23
  own arsenals and it will decide if it
• 1:04:26
  wants to place them in Poland, in Ukraine
• 1:04:29
  or in Finland.
• 1:04:30
  One doesn't have to endorse every Iranian argument
• 1:04:33
  to see why the criticism is accurate.
• 1:04:37
  The sermons sound different when the preacher owns
• 1:04:40
  the biggest gun collection in town, right?
• 1:04:44
  Don't use weapons with a gun on your
• 1:04:47
  head, right?
• 1:04:48
  Grossi's UN comments on attacks against nuclear facilities
• 1:04:51
  also need to be emphasized here.
• 1:04:55
  Talked about the non-proliferation treaty review conference
• 1:04:58
  on whether it should include language prohibiting attacks
• 1:05:01
  on nuclear facilities.
• 1:05:02
  He said there's already a body of law
• 1:05:04
  on that issue including Geneva protocols and the
• 1:05:07
  IAEA general conference resolution.
• 1:05:09
  He stated that his own position is that
• 1:05:12
  nuclear facilities should never be attacked.
• 1:05:15
  That's extremely important in the context of Iran
• 1:05:17
  and Ukraine because it's happened in both places,
• 1:05:21
  both by Western aligned folk.
• 1:05:25
  Oh, it's okay for us to do.
• 1:05:27
  We're the West.
• 1:05:29
  We support democracy, right?
• 1:05:32
  It's all about democracy.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  For us, not for you.
• 1:05:37
  It doesn't matter whether the facility is in
• 1:05:39
  Iran, Ukraine, Russia, Israel or anywhere else.
• 1:05:42
  Once a nuclear site becomes an accepted military
• 1:05:45
  target, the world moves into a very stupid
• 1:05:48
  neighborhood.
• 1:05:49
  You can dislike a government, you can distrust
• 1:05:52
  its programs, but normalizing attacks on nuclear infrastructure
• 1:05:56
  is a doctrine that eventually comes home to
• 1:06:00
  roost.
• 1:06:01
  It's nonsense.
• 1:06:02
  In Ukraine, Grossi was very careful.
• 1:06:05
  A Ukrainian journalist asked what must be done
• 1:06:07
  to de-occupy the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant
• 1:06:11
  and he said it was seized by Russian
• 1:06:13
  forces.
• 1:06:14
  Grossi didn't answer with any politics.
• 1:06:16
  He said the nuclear plant was one of
• 1:06:17
  the key issues in the active process involving
• 1:06:20
  the US, Russia, Ukraine, and it's often listed
• 1:06:23
  as a territorial issue among the most pressing
• 1:06:25
  and difficult matters to resolve.
• 1:06:27
  By the way, the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant
• 1:06:29
  is the largest in Europe.
• 1:06:32
  It's huge and it's a Ukrainian city of
• 1:06:36
  Zaporizhia, but Russia occupies it and has since
• 1:06:39
  2022 he said the main preoccupation is the
• 1:06:42
  safety of the facility and avoiding a nuclear
• 1:06:44
  accident.
• 1:06:45
  He has discussed the issue with Zelensky when
• 1:06:47
  Kiev and in Chernobyl and he also continues
• 1:06:50
  to speak with Russia because his role is
• 1:06:53
  to talk to both sides and that's what
• 1:06:54
  an atomic safety official is supposed to do.
• 1:06:57
  The IAEA is not a war propaganda shop.
• 1:07:01
  It's supposed to keep reactors from becoming disaster
• 1:07:03
  sites and the practical Ukraine issue Grossi identified
• 1:07:07
  as the need for ceasefire to repair external
• 1:07:10
  power lines that feed the Zaporizhia power plant.
• 1:07:13
  He said the IAEA already negotiated five ceasefires
• 1:07:16
  was working on a sixth to create indispensable
• 1:07:19
  repair that the real nuclear danger in Ukraine.
• 1:07:23
  It is an abstract speeches about power lines,
• 1:07:26
  cooling access, maintenance, shelling, military proximate proximity and
• 1:07:31
  facility trapped in a war zone.
• 1:07:34
  He said the IAEA supports negotiation, but isn't
• 1:07:38
  itself a party to them.
• 1:07:40
  Its immediate objective is to prevent an accident.
• 1:07:43
  That's it.
• 1:07:44
  What everyone thinks about sovereignty, occupation, military blame,
• 1:07:47
  a nuclear accident at Zaporizhia wouldn't respect any
• 1:07:51
  press release.
• 1:07:53
  It'd be worse than Chernobyl by the way.
• 1:07:56
  It'd become a regional and an international hazard.
• 1:08:06
  Grossi refused to provide a clean, simple war
• 1:08:09
  justifying answer like Washington wants.
• 1:08:13
  He didn't confirm that Iran has proven to
• 1:08:15
  be on the verge of a bomb.
• 1:08:17
  He didn't confirm that a new underground site
• 1:08:19
  has definitely contained or contains weapons reconstitution facilities.
• 1:08:28
  He doesn't claim Iran's enriched uranium is safely
• 1:08:31
  eliminated.
• 1:08:32
  He didn't treat bombing as a substitute for
• 1:08:35
  inspection and he acknowledged serious confer CERN, but
• 1:08:38
  he reportedly insisted the answer is access, verification
• 1:08:42
  and negotiation.
• 1:08:45
  Calm minds need to prevail.
• 1:08:47
  In other words, IAEA's position isn't just trust
• 1:08:51
  Iran, it's inspect them, but he also won't,
• 1:08:53
  you know, not, he didn't say this, but
• 1:08:55
  the inspection should work always.
• 1:08:58
  You don't get a, you know, nobody's going
• 1:09:00
  to force Israel to join the nonproliferation treaty.
• 1:09:03
  What does it say that Iran said they
• 1:09:05
  would years ago?
• 1:09:07
  What does this say that they're part of
• 1:09:09
  the, uh, part of the nonproliferation discussions going
• 1:09:12
  on at the review conference?
• 1:09:14
  Um, Washington, once I ran isolated as a
• 1:09:17
  nuclear path at the very moment, the nuclear
• 1:09:19
  proliferation treaty system gathered in New York instead
• 1:09:23
  of nonaligned movement puts Iran right in the
• 1:09:26
  conference leadership structure, the U S and its
• 1:09:29
  allies cry foul.
• 1:09:30
  Iran says, well, you know, you, Washington, you
• 1:09:34
  have nuclear hypocrisy.
• 1:09:35
  Look at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Nagasaki and Israel's undeclared
• 1:09:40
  arsenal.
• 1:09:42
  Tell you what, it's a hard, hard deal
• 1:09:45
  to ignore.
• 1:09:46
  Uh, we're going to give you that song
• 1:09:48
  that I told you I would.
• 1:09:49
  This is by super Jorik and a super
• 1:09:53
  Jorik is funny.
• 1:09:54
  He's like, uh, you know, not, not a
• 1:09:56
  weird Al, but, uh, he has these great
• 1:09:57
  songs and this song Zolota is about a,
• 1:10:01
  uh, a gold digger basically.
• 1:10:03
  So it's, and it's got a good beat.
• 1:10:04
  It's a funny song.
• 1:10:05
  And, uh, not, not Ruskin.
• 1:10:07
  It's especially funny.
• 1:10:08
  And remember I say, it's in the Dominican
• 1:10:11
  Republic at a karaoke bar and it was
• 1:10:13
  videoed.
• 1:10:14
  It might even be out there on the
• 1:10:15
  internet somewhere.
• 1:10:16
  It's pretty damn comical.
• 1:10:17
  Even if I say so myself and it's
• 1:10:20
  about women and a gold that was super
• 1:10:26
  Jorik and the video is actually quite funny.
• 1:10:30
  It was the look up the music video
• 1:10:32
  premiere of 2020 it's on a, a runway
• 1:10:36
  in a, I forget what city they said.
• 1:10:39
  I think it was Peter Gorsk and in
• 1:10:41
  the beginning where they said it was actually
• 1:10:42
  the premiere of the song.
• 1:10:45
  And he jumps on the stage with all
• 1:10:47
  the girls that are, uh, uh, modeling swimwear.
• 1:10:50
  It's freaking, I mean, it's pretty funny, but
• 1:10:52
  the song is basically about, um, uh, you
• 1:10:56
  know, gold, you know, and, uh, uh, you
• 1:11:00
  hear all the English things in there.
• 1:11:01
  It's, it's a fun little dance song.
• 1:11:03
  Anyway, I sang that in karaoke in Dominican
• 1:11:07
  Republic several years ago.
• 1:11:08
  It was a lot of fun in that
• 1:11:10
  song.
• 1:11:10
  I think the music video came out in
• 1:11:12
  2020 and I was in Dominican Republic maybe
• 1:11:16
  a year after that, a couple of years,
• 1:11:17
  maybe it's 2021.
• 1:11:19
  I don't remember, but anyway, that is that
• 1:11:22
  I wanted to finish the show with a
• 1:11:23
  little bit of, um, where are we here?
• 1:11:28
  Where did my, have I lost my stuff?
• 1:11:34
  Um, oops, I changed it.
• 1:11:36
  That's what happened.
• 1:11:37
  Sorry about that.
• 1:11:38
  Um, I need to get back to where
• 1:11:40
  I was because the last thing I did,
• 1:11:42
  um, and it's just a short segment, you
• 1:11:44
  know, we're nearing the end of the show
• 1:11:46
  was, um, I listened to some commentary from
• 1:11:50
  an American angle and from a Russian angle.
• 1:11:53
  And so, you know, I like to listen
• 1:11:55
  to a solid view of just because he
• 1:11:57
  has a lot of people on there and
• 1:11:59
  it's actually pretty interesting.
• 1:12:00
  People beat up on him a lot because
• 1:12:02
  he's very pro-Russia.
• 1:12:03
  Well, okay.
• 1:12:04
  You know, so what?
• 1:12:06
  Uh, that doesn't, there's no big problem there
• 1:12:09
  for me.
• 1:12:09
  I don't care.
• 1:12:10
  Um, you know, and the other one I
• 1:12:14
  listened to is a guy named, um, is
• 1:12:18
  it Berlitik?
• 1:12:20
  Berlitik.
• 1:12:21
  And, uh, you know who these people are
• 1:12:24
  and he's a US guy and he was
• 1:12:26
  on, his name is Brian Berlitik and he
• 1:12:28
  did a, uh, uh, commentary show with a
• 1:12:32
  professor, uh, Dyson, Glenn Dyson, who's I believe
• 1:12:35
  from Norway, but, uh, maybe not.
• 1:12:38
  I could be wrong on that, but I
• 1:12:39
  listened to him every once in a while.
• 1:12:40
  So I got a commentary from Europe with
• 1:12:43
  an American named Brian Berlitik being interviewed by
• 1:12:47
  Glenn Dyson.
• 1:12:48
  And then I listened to his solo view
• 1:12:50
  of once a week.
• 1:12:51
  And this week they talked about it too.
• 1:12:54
  So we have Zakharova says the West is
• 1:12:56
  using Ukraine as terrorists and military instrument against
• 1:12:59
  Russia and then the nuclear portion and in
• 1:13:03
  all energy.
• 1:13:06
  Grossi says the nuclear system is under strain
• 1:13:09
  because of access inspections, non-proliferation consensus, breaking
• 1:13:14
  down.
• 1:13:15
  Berlitik and Dyson go a step further and
• 1:13:17
  argue that this isn't an accident, but strategic.
• 1:13:22
  First, the West is stretching Russia through Ukraine
• 1:13:26
  and Europe.
• 1:13:27
  Iran is attacked or destabilized to control the
• 1:13:30
  Middle East energy flow.
• 1:13:32
  China and Asia are pressured by energy dependency
• 1:13:35
  and regional proxy.
• 1:13:37
  So in other words, they are discussing the
• 1:13:40
  Iran nuclear question as a dispute over uranium.
• 1:13:44
  They're treating Iran as a strategic hinge between
• 1:13:47
  the Middle East, China, Asia, and American global
• 1:13:50
  control.
• 1:13:51
  Berlitik claims, and he's very well spoken.
• 1:13:54
  I don't know where he came from, but,
• 1:13:55
  uh, I've, I've seen about seven, eight of
• 1:13:58
  his, uh, discussions with various people right now.
• 1:14:00
  And I've thought about trying to get him
• 1:14:02
  on here and just, uh, you know, educate
• 1:14:04
  us because that's a smart dude.
• 1:14:06
  Uh, Brian Berlitik B-E-R-L-E
• 1:14:08
  -T-I-C and his claim is the
• 1:14:11
  U S isn't actually seeking peace in Ukraine.
• 1:14:13
  I say the same thing, nor real peace
• 1:14:15
  in Iran.
• 1:14:16
  He says American negotiations are delay tactics designed
• 1:14:20
  to buy time or rearrange the division of
• 1:14:23
  labor among its own allies.
• 1:14:25
  In his view, Washington strategic sequencing means the
• 1:14:28
  U S doesn't try to fight Russia, Iran,
• 1:14:31
  and China all at once in the same
• 1:14:33
  way.
• 1:14:33
  It creates pressure systems, pressure points, assigns burdens
• 1:14:37
  to proxies and then moves the center of
• 1:14:40
  American attention from one theater to the other.
• 1:14:43
  He says that the early, early Trump administration,
• 1:14:48
  uh, the American defense establishment signaled a pivot
• 1:14:51
  away from the direct burden in Ukraine so
• 1:14:53
  that Europe carries more of the war while
• 1:14:55
  the U S could focus heavily on Iran
• 1:14:58
  and eventually China.
• 1:15:00
  And so this connects to grosses discussion on
• 1:15:03
  the technicality and rich uranium, Isfahan inspections, verification,
• 1:15:08
  failure of JCPOA and the need to return
• 1:15:10
  to diplomacy.
• 1:15:11
  But Burletic is much harsher.
• 1:15:13
  He says the U S has no interest
• 1:15:15
  in peace with Iran because the conflict isn't
• 1:15:18
  about Iran.
• 1:15:20
  It's about Asia and their energy lifeline in
• 1:15:23
  China's strategic environment.
• 1:15:25
  He says the disruption of energy from the
• 1:15:27
  middle East to Asia is comparable to the
• 1:15:30
  early disruption of Russian energy to Europe.
• 1:15:34
  According to him, the U S cut Europe
• 1:15:38
  off from Russian energy through war and now
• 1:15:40
  uses war with Iran to cut Asia off
• 1:15:43
  from middle East.
• 1:15:44
  That is a much broader claim, um, than
• 1:15:47
  grosses, but it does, you know, create some,
• 1:15:51
  um, incongruence here, right?
• 1:15:55
  The nuclear file is the legal excuse, but
• 1:16:00
  energy control is the prize.
• 1:16:03
  This is should change how we talk about
• 1:16:05
  the Straits of Hormuz in the UN material.
• 1:16:07
  Washington presents the straight as a maritime security
• 1:16:10
  issue.
• 1:16:11
  You know, Marco Rubio's out there.
• 1:16:13
  Oh, Jersey's terrible.
• 1:16:14
  Well you're the way it was open before
• 1:16:16
  you bomb the crap out of them.
• 1:16:19
  Iran is accused of mining the water, firing
• 1:16:22
  on civilian ships, threatening navigation and using the
• 1:16:25
  straight as a bargaining chip.
• 1:16:26
  Well, that's what it is.
• 1:16:27
  What else is it?
• 1:16:29
  Iran says the U S and Israel launched
• 1:16:31
  the aggression, militarized, the region imposed blockades, seized
• 1:16:36
  commercial vessels, and then blames Iran for defending
• 1:16:39
  its own interests.
• 1:16:43
  Now, would we, I mean, turnabout's fair play,
• 1:16:46
  right?
• 1:16:47
  Would, would, would we act the same way
• 1:16:49
  over here?
• 1:16:50
  Burletic's analysis pushes this even further.
• 1:16:52
  He says the instability itself is creating the
• 1:16:56
  condition for American energy dominance because Asian countries
• 1:17:00
  that previously relied upon middle Eastern energy can
• 1:17:03
  be forced into buying American LNG or other
• 1:17:06
  U S controlled supply.
• 1:17:08
  If you read it that way, the chaos
• 1:17:10
  in the Gulf isn't regrettable.
• 1:17:12
  It's the leverage.
• 1:17:13
  It, you know, it isn't something that unfortunate
• 1:17:15
  it's planned.
• 1:17:17
  So grossy is telling us nuclear systems need
• 1:17:21
  inspection.
• 1:17:22
  Iran tells us the Gulf is military's militarized
• 1:17:25
  by the U S and the Washington says,
• 1:17:27
  no, Iran is holding the straight hostage.
• 1:17:30
  But when Burletic says, look at who profits
• 1:17:33
  when Asian energy routes become unsafe.
• 1:17:37
  Tell you what institutional nuclear analysis turns into
• 1:17:41
  geopolitical reality, right?
• 1:17:45
  Uh, you don't have to say that all
• 1:17:47
  of this is proving, but it proven, but
• 1:17:49
  it sure makes sense, right?
• 1:17:51
  And energy dependence is the hidden architecture behind
• 1:17:55
  both Ukraine and Iran.
• 1:17:58
  And his comparison between Europe and Asia is
• 1:18:00
  one of the strongest, um, you know, uh,
• 1:18:03
  thought processes from my view.
• 1:18:05
  He says that before Ukraine, the war, America
• 1:18:08
  LNG exports to Europe didn't make any obvious
• 1:18:11
  economic sense because Europe had access to much
• 1:18:14
  cheaper, far more reliable Russian pipeline energy.
• 1:18:18
  But once war destroyed the political and physical
• 1:18:20
  basis of that American LNG is suddenly super
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  viable.
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  In his view, the same model is now
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  being applied to Asia.
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  American LNG export, um, prod projects that, um,
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  look commercially questionable are now strategic and assets,
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  especially if Middle East energy routes are continually
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  disrupted by a continued conflict with Iran.
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  He argues that the U S has already
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  been preparing these projects and the war made
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  them economically and geopolitically possible.
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  And in fact, useful, the West sells the
• 1:18:58
  Iran story as a nuclear emergency.
• 1:19:00
  Grossi says the nuclear issue is serious, but
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  should be handled through diplomatic through such means
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  through inspection, durable agreement.
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  Israel says this was created.
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  I mean, I'm sorry, Iran says us and
• 1:19:14
  Israel created the war and are using maritime
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  accusations as cover.
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  And Burletic says the larger goal is energy
• 1:19:23
  leverage over Asia, especially China.
• 1:19:26
  These aren't identical arguments, but they point in
• 1:19:28
  the same direction.
• 1:19:29
  The Iran con crisis cannot be understood only
• 1:19:33
  by looking at centrifuges as to be understood
• 1:19:35
  through energy corridors, maritime choke points, China imports,
• 1:19:39
  Europe imports, US LNG, Gulf monarchies and the
• 1:19:43
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