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The Battersea Poltergeist · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine waking up to these words being scrolled in your home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am from France, I drowned, I will set you on fire in your sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the words written by an invisible presence inside a small house in Battersea, London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, that's not even close to the strangest part of the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because before those threats, there was a key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A tiny silver key that appeared on a 15-year-old girl's pillow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody in the family had seen it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he left it on the dining room table before he went to bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next morning, it was back on our pillow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After that came the knocking, every night, inside the walls, under the floors, inside the furniture, loud enough that neighbors called the police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: loud enough that season officers stood inside the house and couldn't explain what they were hearing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From there, it started to follow the girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to work, to our friend's houses, on the bus, before long blankets were being ripped off beds, objects were flying across rooms, fires were breaking out, and something unseen was carrying on conversations with anyone willing to listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For more than a decade investigators, reporters, mediums, and skeptics, even the BBC would all become wrapped up in what many still consider
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are diving into the Battersea Poltergeist case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in like kind of a UFO mode for a little while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I heard a podcast about a different poltergeist case, and that got me rolling in that realm again and it made me stumble onto the Battersea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been digging in and researching a ton of these poltergeist cases, and it's so wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how much crosses over between the cases, how many similarities there are, it's just made me really want to dive into these and put as many of these out because as you just, you're going through it, you just, you're just like, what, you know, hell is going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the change of pace, because I'm still currently currently stuck in alien mode, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had intention of trying to find a different one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that's just the one I stumbled on, you know, and that just kind of how it works sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, I think it's arguably one of the.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it should be one of the bigger abduction cases known, but it's not for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's insane, but I'm excited that you chose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit different of a have a new, we have, like I said, I wanna do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes it's hard to find the right case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know how my, how my ADHD is so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once this peeked my attention, I'm like, hey, we're gonna go this route.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this particular case, whisk us back to January 1956.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are at the town of Battersea, London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Battersea is a large district of Southwest London, part of the London Burrow of Wandsworth, England, according to Chooseware.com, which if you ever wanted to visit Battersea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From the iconic towers of Battersea Station, to the leafy pass of Battersea Park, the Seria blends history, design, community spirit, in a way that few other places in London can match, whether you're looking for a river stride, side stroll, independent shops, brunch spots, or world-class architecture, Battersea offers a unique mix of London, all the new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like it'd be full of a bunch of hard knocks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also full of a different kind of visitor in 1956.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that was my transition there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1956 Battersea Detracted a visitor of a different kind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If England wants to sponsor me, it's sponsored us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: England, Battersea, the whole place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Send us, send us, send us all around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Europe is our sponsor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all around us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're sponsored by Europe now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are at House number 63 on Wycliffe Road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And on assuming ordinary semi-detached home, residents were the hitchhinks family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: an average working class family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was the father Wally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a tall, gaunt, train driver for the London Underground, his wife Kitty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a former office clerk who due to her chronic arthritis was bound to a wheelchair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was the grandmother Ethel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a fiery woman known around town as old mother hitchhinks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They definitely have some 50s names, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the their adopted son John, he was a surveyor in his 20s, and finally their 15-year-old daughter, Shirley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was about to start art school and worked as a seamstress in one of the local department stores.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The house was sort of split off into two, Wally Kitty and Shirley having bedrooms and living space downstairs and Ethel and John having rooms upstairs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On January, or one afternoon in January, 1956, 15-year-old Shirley Hitchings was just getting home for the day from her job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd went to a room and was unpacking her belongings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As she was doing so, she noticed something glimmering in the sunlight on her pillow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As she moved toward her bed, she realized that it was a beautiful or neat silver key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One that she had never seen before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was about two inches long and barrel style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think of a smaller skeleton key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... used to open a drawer or a cabinet perplex surely took the key to the kitchen and ask her parents while in kitty if they knew where the key had come from neither recognized it our barrel keys with that be like similar to the new machine keys been in machine keys i think so yeah i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like i like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither one of them had recognized it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She gave it to her dad and while he spent the better part of the afternoon trying every door, every cabinet, every drawer in the house with the keyhole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to figure out where this thing had come from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But none of them fit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sat there that night was wondering where the key had come from, kind of Twitter lit in his hands, just thinking like, how did this get on to her bed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what could it potentially unlocked?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He placed the key in the middle of the dining room table and then went to bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next morning, Shirley came into the kitchen for breakfast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She asked her father why he'd given the key back to her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Surprised, he's like, what are you talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said when she had woken up that morning, the key was right back on the pillow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to her head, which is kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As bizarre, shouldn't have happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be noted that Shirley's bed was actually in the corner of her parent's bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This may come into play later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She suffered from severe sleepwalking, and this was the only way that Wally and Kitty could be sure that she was safe, and she would not leave the home and injure herself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They essentially had to lock her inside every night, because her sleepwalking was that bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On the night of January 27, just a few days after the first appearance of the key, the noise
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not long after the family fell asleep, there were a woken by a tapping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the home, Wally described it, not just a gentle tapping, but a loud, like tapping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I would be a rapping at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wally described it as bubbling in the water pipes, but louder than he had ever heard before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Surely, annoyed by the sounds decided to go up to a grandmother's room to escape the noise to get some rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She could not find rest because something kept pulling the sheets and blankets off of her as soon as she would drift off over and over and over again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time she'd fall asleep the blankets would get pulled off, she would cover herself back up, and they would get pulled off again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine how bad that would piss you off.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First couple times, terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely terrified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But after so long of being dozy and drifting off and then that happened and I feel like I'm throwing the blankets out the window.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I'm gonna be furious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ready to throw hands with a little poltergeist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next night, the noise returned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was start off as a tapping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley said it sounded like a hollow metallic tapping sound that would increase an intensity and loudness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't find the source no matter how hard they search the house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It continued the following night, and then the next, and then the next, getting so loud that the neighbors started to complain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that the police were called.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they came out to investigate, they couldn't find the source of the noise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley's quoted saying, I lived through the blitz and I remember the bombs dropping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the same level of noise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was coming from the roots of our house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole house shook like it was an air raid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It went on night after night after night for three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were shattered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was as if the noise came from the bowels of the earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were traumatized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember cleaning to my dad begging please make it stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I assume the the police heard the noise as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they could not that's crazy They could not figure out where it was coming from and it got so bad That walley hired a surveyor to come out and survey their home To make sure there wasn't any kind of plumbing issue or or anything going on and the surveyor couldn't find anything either
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that would probably be one of the only solutions you would logically be able to come up with, I think, is that the plumbing would be causing the noise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that that came back clear, well, now we have a different issue on our hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not to mention, it would just suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would just suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would easily make you want to move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put myself in Molly's shoes a lot when I was research in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, while he does make some questionable decisions that I wouldn't make with a 15 year old daughter, just imagining him trying to go through everything that's happening and not having a solution to it would be horrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely for sure because as as the patriarchy of the family like they look to you to solve the issues and if you can't Then like what good are you at that point, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're failing out your job there, Wally Soon after it got worse because it carried into the daytime as well It was almost as if the sound was everywhere
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[SPEAKER_01]: but also nowhere, sometimes it came from the floors, sometimes it came from the ceilings, sometimes it was in the walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it seemed as if it were coming from specific pieces of furniture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bed, a chair, the stove.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would just move around the home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There would be nothing left in my home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd burn it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I see the living room chair is just sounding like bombs being dropped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm smashing the fuck out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which if you compare it to the blitz, I was like, that's pretty loud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's gotta be insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to mention the tops are being called all your neighbors fucking hate you at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they despise you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your neighbors despise you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're gonna be convinced that somehow it's you doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's funny that you say that, because that is exactly what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly what happens a little way down the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as the days pass, the sound morphed from a banging, it also started to include a scratching sound, like something coming from inside the walls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was obviously taking a toll on Wally, not only wanting to solve the issue of his noisy house, but also the lack of sleep from the constant noises.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One day he went into work at the London Underground, looking to shovel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wally being an honest man, almost to a fault, told anyone that asked about the odd things that were going on in his home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, everyone had their own opinions, rats, plumbing, was at the local batter sea, power plant being the culprit, having weird noises go through their home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody had a thought on it, but there was one man, a fellow trained conductor, the heard Wally's plight, and had a different opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This man was Henry Hank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Henry was a firm believer in the paranormal, and had taken to the spiritualist movement to which we became familiar with in the lead mask case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is strange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's strange that there's a very particular movement being selected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and like we talked about it in lead mask, it was huge then in the fifties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what did it more like focused down south?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in South America, like in Brazil, it was the third, the third most populated religion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy that it's all the way up in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Henry was a medium and felt that he could help Wally with his problems, believing that the issues were more of a spiritual one as opposed to a structural one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wally was a very devout religious man, member of the Church of England, while he was skeptical, he figured it couldn't hurt at this point because he had already had the police out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the surveyors out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can determine the cause of the sound.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had Hank and his wife over to their home one evening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They conducted a seance dot in the downstairs bedroom, where most of the sound activity had taken place, but nothing of any significance happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But a few minutes after they left, the sounds kicked up again, almost like it knew that they were there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 days later, while they had hank over again to try something a little different, hank put himself into a trance to try to contact any spirits that were in the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as he left again, the sounds continued, which we've heard another haunting cases that like when they would call over exorcist or people of the clergy, the things would would almost reside or tone themselves down to the point where it would almost bring into
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[SPEAKER_01]: possession thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the the culprit of the possession almost once people to think that that the victim of the possession is a little crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sounds continued and intensified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Neighbors next door were convinced that Wally was up all night tearing his floorboards up at the home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would, I would fucking dis buys my neighbors if that was going on because that doesn't just affect the walley and family sleep, but it affects my sleep at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might just over all my mental well-being and it wasn't even just then the neighbors right next to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so loud that neighbors for homes away were making complaints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just see it now like I'm I'm walley's neighbor and I scream over to his house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna burn your house down and he's like, do it, please.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I've been waiting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's got to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't tell the insurance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of these neighbors that had heard the commotion was a woman by the name of Lily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a long time friend of Kitty's and would often come around the house to help because of Kitty's confinement to the wheelchair due to her arthritis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This would make Lily one of the key witnesses of the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At one point, Lily offered to let Shirley stay at her house so everyone could get some much needed rest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as soon as Shirley drifted off at Lily's home, the sounds began there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the tapping, the banging, the scratching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It had essentially followed surely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no rest for this poor girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, this wasn't the only occurrence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Soon surely we'd hear the tapping sound on the bus to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd hear it at work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her co-workers began to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They became afraid of whatever was going on in a
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[SPEAKER_01]: sewing shears, the thread, all kinds of stuff were disappearing and they were blaming surely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's great of sabotage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is just for whatever reason has it out for surely, and it is bound and determined to ruin her life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It likes her quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it is, and I'm kind of jumping the gun, is there any future occurrences where this individual spirit, or whatever the fuck it is, locks on with anybody else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not to, no, not to this effect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does hyper focus on people around her, like obsessively focus, but not to the point of where it's affecting them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets strange.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so where were we at here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The things disappearing and they blame it on her.
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It became so bad that her boss instructed her to see to see the onsite doctor who thought the entire thing was just nonsense until Shirley walked into his office and then he heard the sounds that came with her.
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He had no answer for the phenomena.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He just instructed her to take two weeks off and get some rest because that's what we do when we have a thoughtful.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, and I guess this is the definition of attachment versus possession.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets so Conpolkers later That's in it.
23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I just socks to get.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't imagine Everywhere you go.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just basically a tornado And so much so that it gets to the point where Everyone just blames you yeah like it they don't they're not going all
23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve's got a poultry guy, Steve's got a ignore of that.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're going Steve is an asshole.
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He steals all my cut in the shears and my thread and they just makes a ton of noise all day long.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I can never get anything done and then imagine being a 15-year-old.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Which every everybody's life sucks of 15.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and then to just be the target of not only the poltergeist But also the target of everyone around you who's affected by the poltergeist and then on top of all that you have a sleepwalking condition It's not yeah, I guess yeah, you got dealt a pretty shitty hand been a rough time for sure.
24:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So at first, the hitchhings didn't think that the missing items were correlated to whatever the phenomenon falling surely was because up to that point, there had never been any sort of like physical manifestation of said phenomena.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was all audio, all audible, minus the first bed sheet encounter that day, but that was all about the change.
24:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess you could also consider the key.
24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think at that point, they hadn't attributed the key to the the Poltergeist.
24:57
[SPEAKER_01]: The phenomenon.
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which the key was almost like, I'm here and I'm opening this, I'm unlocking this door and opening it.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a weird as a bizarre precursor to an event.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a very, like, it, it almost makes you feel like the Poltergeist itself is flashy.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he, like, very braggadocious, like, he's a dick.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Get ready.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my call in card.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: One day when Shirley had gotten home from work, she was taking her coat off to hang up on the coat rack when one of her gloves was falling out of her pocket.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: As she reached over to pick it up, the glove levitated off the floor shot over and hit walley in the face.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, as soon as you said the glove fell out, I was, all I envisioned was, and this was before you even said it, the glove floating in the air, I envisioned it, smacking surely across the face.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they would do back in the day.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how they'd get their glove in it.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that was waiting to be like, oh, this thing is a pompous ass.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this thing is.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny to me that correlation because,
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The Poltergeist has an identity crisis, which we'll get into later.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of them would definitely be a glove broke.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I just like right now, I feel like it's like a richie's knob ass.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll get there, we'll get there.
26:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, shot across and hit Wally, right in the face.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: This seemed to be another turning point for the activity as a week later, Shirley went to bed rather early.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: not long after her family startled by her screams.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: As a brother and father run into the room, Shirley tells them that something keeps tearing the sheets from her bed.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: As they're standing there, they begin to see this happen.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: One corner of the sheet begins to slowly make its way off the bed.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: While they grab the sheet, pulls it back into the bed, but as soon as he lets go of it, it gets pulled off again.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually being pulled over to the corner in the room, as if an invisible person is standing
27:07
[SPEAKER_00]: How, how do you not stand with it?
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I could, I, God's honest truth.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if that was happened to one of my kids, and I grabbed that sheet back, and I feel it being tugged again.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And do what you just described.
27:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So gore.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: How?
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: do you not walk over into that area and just start swinging?
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you were going to fuck this thing all types up.
27:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're not, but I feel like in my head that I'm going to go try to punch it.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: In Wally's Defense.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: things get real serious real fast.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as they're looking at the sheet, levitating in the corner, surely starts screaming.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: As he turns around, she is being levitated off the bed back arched like something is picking her up.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And it pulls the bottom sheet from off the mattress out from under her.
28:02
[SPEAKER_01]: She's literally, levitating It's ridiculous.
28:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like, now it just sounds like the most angry made.
28:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me your sheets.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley said the bed sheets were the bed clothes were being pulled under her so we got a hold of them.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is a quote from Molly.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley said the bed clothes were being pulled under her so we got a hold of them and it felt like they were being tugged by a force while this was going on.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw that Shirley was being lifted out of the bed.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: She was rigid about six inches above the bed and we lifted her out and stood her on the floor.
28:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So they grabbed her when she was six inches off of the bed.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be terrifying.
28:45
[UNKNOWN]: Bongers.
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Sucks.
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: terrifying.
28:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, these disturbances brought on media attention.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Different reporters would come to the home to investigate.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, one of the investigators suggested trying to communicate with the spirit through knocks.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: As she sat there with the family, she said, if you can hear us, let us know, one knock for yes, one knock, or two knocks for no.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They got a response.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: She asked if it was evil.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, no, she asked if it needed help.
29:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It said, yes, she asked if it had a message.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: After this revelation, more reporters came up with ways to communicate via these taps.
29:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Elizabeth Foo, or Elizabeth Foo, was able to apparently get an identity out of the being, which led to it being called Ronald.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: In reports, if you look into the case, you're going to hear the word Donald.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Because later on in Shirley's book, she said that Donald became kind of a nick name.
29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They called it Donald, because the Donald Duck, he was always angry, he was always doing stuff, so they just called it Donald.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But in her reports, the name actually called itself Ronald, so you'll see him back and forth.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how people not living in the house decide to come in and find ways to communicate with it, just stirring the pot.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and they do Of course they do because it's not their fucking house.
30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes I do love that they decide to troll it and call it Donald Pretty good as they're communicating with the spirit
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: they ask about its past.
30:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get to the bottom of this.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Ronald claimed to be the spirit of a teenage boy who used to visit White Cliff Road and play with Shirley as a child.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oddly enough, Shirley did have a childhood friend named Ronald, who would come over and play when they were younger, who had since moved away years ago.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Grandma Ethel contacted Ronald's family.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Now living in New Zealand,
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: to confirm that Ronald had had actually been there, and was friends with Shirley.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But, plot twist, he's still alive.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Ronald's not a ghost, but a very much alive 15-year-old boy.
31:13
[SPEAKER_00]: have to do it.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So something that's he crazy.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Plot twist.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because something is embedded in our memories or it's been around forever and kind of, you know, remember that.
31:27
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, not cool.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not cool.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's lying.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now it's lying.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could automatically assume that
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like there's different eras for this haunting, and it now being able to communicate just open a whole, it's almost like it absorbs energy from people, because now you've got all these journalists there and all these reporters trying to talk to it, and it's like, you motherfuckers want to show, about to get a show, because now it started moving objects.
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the sheet and the glove weren't just a one-off.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's showing off for everybody.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's picking up ornaments off of shelves and mantles and tossing them around the room.
32:16
[SPEAKER_01]: As the journalists are there, a pair of slippers start walking across the room with no feet in them.
32:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just taking off.
32:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I surely sitting there being an interviewed her handle lift up and her watch will undo and pull off and shoot across the room.
32:33
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point,
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Our spiritualist buddy, Henry Hanks comes back in and he's like, hey, Wally, hear me out.
32:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I bring a weed you board into your house hell no while he says hell no good for you I would have said the same hell no.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: He was reluctant to bring an actual weed you board But he said hey Hank if you want to just write the alphabet and yes or no on a piece of paper To communicate that way.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cool with it.
33:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So same fucking thing.
33:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Let him make a weed you board
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what do you do when?
33:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't all on here.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a terrible idea, bro.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't bring a Parker brothers in here, but you can make a hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang, hang
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: and wait for a tap oh my god so it took a little bit of time through the had to be infuriating yeah and one of the first messages received ominously enough was be loving surely comes soon
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is that man he said the the spirit communicated in real broken fragmented sections like sentences not full sentences so you kind of had the Basically that he's he's on his way to I'm assuming full attachment He's on his way but he loves Shirley
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's creepy.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's at the point to where Oh, you'll hear about it.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay There sounds a little creepy there.
34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets very They call it possession for a reason.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets very possessive.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no Donald as okay.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I was a friend to him as Ronald, but now we're gonna swap over to Donald because that's the name You're gonna hear if you do any research on your own
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald claimed to be 15 and born and Kent, which aligned exactly with the old friend of Shirley's.
34:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But after they found out that Old Boy was still alive, he then went on to claim that he was, quote, not born of flesh and blood parents.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Make from that what you will.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: As the news gets out,
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: The BBC hears about it, the British broad casting channel, and they want to interview surely, which they are like, sure, let's talk about it, maybe this will help get some people in here that will help us out.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: she was paid three pounds for her interview and that was the only money they had made and that they will make off of the experience that goes on for the next spoiler alert 12 years wow yeah so there this if this if this is a hoax it's not a hoax
35:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna make the family be any money.
35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys failed.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this of course got nationwide exposure.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably worldwide exposure.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I wasn't there in 56, but it just brought more journalists and mediums into the house interacting with Ronald, Donald, and therefore boosting the activity even more.
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Ethel, grandma, Ethel here.
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't think she was an old iris Catholic woman.
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She believed in the paranormal, but she didn't believe that Donald was a ghost.
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: She thought it was a little more on the demonic side and she was having no part of it.
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I figured she wasn't going to be a type to play games.
36:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The more people came in and stirred them up, the more she wanted to disconnect from it.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So one night, she just put a crucifix up on her floor to keep
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: old Donald downstairs did it work no that's not that night she was pulled from the bed the banging centered around wow her room and she was also reported to almost be pushed down the stairs so it pissed it off yes that's what's weird yes they said any sort of religious
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, means to try to roll this thing or, say, get rid of it, only made it way more pissed.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the few times, I think I've heard about that, where you use religion and it fails.
37:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just got super mad and then he taps in.
37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: to Ethel's psyche, no, no.
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he started pushing, he wanted Ethel's room.
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to make it his room and essentially Shirley's room.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's tapping in, making her life miserable.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets to a point to where she begins to hear
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: whispers which turn into talking that other people here in her room.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an old Irish woman talking which she identified as her mother.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Her long dead mother is audibly talking in the room.
38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, no thanks.
38:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm moving out.
38:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't blame you there.
38:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It does make me feel like this is a little bit more than a poltergeist.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this thing sounds powerful as all hell.
38:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Sucks.
38:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very not only is it powerful, but it's extremely sentient.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, self-aware is the understatement of the century.
38:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like if it knows how to do some shit.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He caused so much turmoil at Shirley's job that she eventually gets to let go.
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: which in turn gives Donald much, much more time, or surely.
39:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say, he's priced out.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He then pushes,
39:17
[SPEAKER_01]: The family to move Shirley's bed out of their bedroom and up into Ethel's old room.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And they do it?
39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
39:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he just starts making their life a living hell.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't care.
39:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like this to my daughter, you can get F. He's at one point.
39:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He throws scissors.
39:39
[SPEAKER_01]: at Wally on multiple occasions, he throws pots from the counter, wherever they keep their pots at, they're like pretty much constant onslaught until he gets what he wants.
39:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So surely he's being more isolated and in the home.
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald thinks maybe she needs a hobby, so he tells the family
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically that they need to start getting Shirley Gifts of dolls, so they start buying her dolls.
40:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Donald is a psychopath.
40:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That way, she can be making outfits for the dolls.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: She's still being a seamstress, just now she's being a seamstress for Donald.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: in the bedroom with surely and Donald and she would spend hours up there playing with the dolls with Donald it's weird just complete deterioration yeah i mean i'm i'm at the point where right now i'm 100% in the camp of a demonic force you know what else is that's a good segue you know what else is
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Henry says, yo, let me give her an exorcism.
41:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Good idea.
41:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a priest, but good idea.
41:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a spiritualist and I also have an African spirit named Sambo who's gonna run Donald out of here.
41:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, that's gangster.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So he tries the first time and surely says at first.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: to Henry's house.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He does the exorcism in his place.
41:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Not smart, so that out.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not smart.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And the attachment so strong that it first surely doesn't want to do it.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, no, I don't need this.
41:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
41:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That's terrifying.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sucks.
41:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But afterwards, when they think all is good, she says she feels lighter, she's happier, yada yada yada, but Henry's, Henry's, this is being Henry's first rodeo, he's like, I buy in it.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're basically an addict, you're lying to me, bingo.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So then he's like, you know what, you guys come stay at my house for a few days, we'll get over there and we'll do an even more in-depth exerciseism.
42:21
[SPEAKER_01]: with Sambo.
42:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that his name's Sambo.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Rambo.
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a spiritual Rambo.
42:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
42:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Spiritual Rambo.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, did about the same thing.
42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley said she felt lighter, happier, but Henry was still like, I think I'm out of my element here.
42:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go back home.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: this is where I was telling you that they made some questionable decisions.
42:48
[SPEAKER_01]: At one point during this, two reporters from the weekend mail asked to take Shirley with them to have her examined.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck?
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: In an absolutely bonkers decision, while Ian Kitty said, hey, strangers, hey,
43:06
[SPEAKER_01]: go ahead and take my 15 year old daughter somewhere where we don't know you're gonna take her that's that's ignorant it's it's I don't know it's almost like it was granted I don't know walley and kitty but it's almost like it was it was manipulating everyone's way of thinking about it I would probably
43:29
[SPEAKER_00]: especially considering they put her in their room to ensure their safety at one point in life.
43:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly that it's complete 180.
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now all of a sudden they're like, yeah, you get, yeah, just take your, it's cool.
43:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we trust you.
43:44
[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw that, I was like, what are you thinking?
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: What is even happening?
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: In her book Shirley said the two men took her to a news building where they interrogated her for hours.
43:56
[SPEAKER_01]: She even, or they even told Wally and Kitty that they had a female reporter do a strip search on her to make sure she wasn't hiding something that could produce the noises even though Shirley said she doesn't remember that part.
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Motherfuckers would have caught a hand in that news station and then the other news station would be in rubble.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: where a man tried to hypnotize her for hours.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Shirley was super frightened and refused to cooperate.
44:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And a few hours later, they brought her home, obviously in distress.
44:33
[SPEAKER_01]: This pissed Donald off.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It was your fault.
44:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's fucking pissed.
44:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hopefully he does fuck up those two people that took her.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he doesn't All he does is get more aggressive and more louder at the home.
44:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like see at that point I would be sitting if I was wally.
44:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting down with Donald and like dude.
44:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey You did this nobody's fall but drone.
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're fault.
45:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Second
45:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I accept you into my house, however you're here being an ass, you could have, you could have stuck up for all, oh my daughter here, you didn't though, you let it happen, this is your fault, you're fault, okay Donald, yeah, and then he gets more mags and we call him Donald, yeah you call him a duck.
45:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I jumped the gun a little bit earlier.
45:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I said they were back to back exercises and there wasn't.
45:29
[SPEAKER_01]: There was the first one was sandboat and then there's this one after.
45:32
[SPEAKER_01]: After they take her off site and come back, Henry's like, let me try it again.
45:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes in like I said before.
45:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It failed again, but he throws out that maybe surely is a medium.
45:46
[SPEAKER_01]: She just doesn't understand her power.
45:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So essentially, it's just trying to Donald's trying to communicate via Shirley.
45:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She's almost like a conduit, but being young, you don't understand what you've got going on.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, if I was wally, I'd be like, yeah, but Donald seemed to make it clear that he was in love with Shirley.
46:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And he also wanted to get her in a room by herself, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, this is a strange.
46:17
[SPEAKER_01]: This is us, the most strange.
46:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Not long after that second failed exorcism, the two journalists that took her off site release a article to a local newspaper that's titled Spook is in Girl's Big toe.
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: where they go on to say that Shirley was making the tapping noises by dislocating her big toe and then cracking it back into place.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They go on to say that they had a doctor watch her do this, but Shirley doesn't recall ever being examined by a doctor.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: See at this point, I would just talk shit to Donald.
47:01
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was in the house, I'd be like, look at you, look at you.
47:05
[SPEAKER_00]: you have the whole world now laughing at you don't like you have you have been reduced to someone dislocating their toe and putting it back in so therefore you are nothing okay it's not me saying this but it's these two people of here talk to them yeah how about you go fall in love with them moving with them make their life suck
47:29
[SPEAKER_01]: and let us just kind of go on our happy way.
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So they get the most detailed message from Ronald right after this newspaper article dropped.
47:45
[SPEAKER_01]: The message is, and I quote, so don't like, it's not great English.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is still like communication through paper, Weegee Board.
47:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I am 15.
47:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I come from France, lost in channel, cannot remember name.
48:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a girl like you.
48:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald is not aware of me.
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I want someone to tell him.
48:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I want happiness between you too.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Won't go till made so.
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me go happy by telling Ronald of me.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So it swapped the two names as well.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck?
48:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But not telling his family, he must keep me a secret between you and me and to himself.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Give this to Kirch.
48:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Now Kirch was one of the journalists that we're on site investigating.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Let no one see it.
48:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If give to father, I will be angry and set fire.
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: which this is the first notice of of old Donnie Boy being a pyro that's all put this in here also it's almost like it's got multiple personality it does because
48:51
[SPEAKER_00]: like it just said that it references us as a 15 year old boy, but then says Donald, which suggests that it's speaking about a different entity, and then it also mentions that I am wrong, right?
49:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
49:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's further furthering breaking off.
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you think at a certain point of you dealing with this bullshit.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever just get mad at it?
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I set fire and go, you just go, do it then.
49:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what the fuck are you waiting for at this point?
49:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think I think with everything that they've been through, I would be at my wit's end.
49:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just be like, please, catch it all on fire.
49:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have to deal with it anymore.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fuck this.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Do it if you're gonna do it.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't, don't talk about it.
49:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Be about it.
49:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You've 15-year-old chump, I will smack you.
49:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, I think those scissors at my head and stabbed you with the eyes of the loose.
49:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Then says you on fire, yeah, I would regret my decision of talking shit at that point.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, apparently Donald read the newspaper because
50:01
[SPEAKER_01]: After that was published, he said you will want to know what I can do, I want to show you what I can do.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he started to threaten everyone in the house by burning the by threats of burning them alive.
50:16
[SPEAKER_00]: See, and that's what will fuck me up even more.
50:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, dude, I didn't write the fucking article.
50:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you doing?
50:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't talk shit to the world.
50:27
[SPEAKER_00]: These people did.
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Go fuck with them.
50:30
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
50:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald's not a very emotionally stable.
50:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, he had the nail in the head.
50:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a 15-year-old boy.
50:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Surely he's quoted saying Donald started making demands, wanting me to wear my hair a certain way, and then threatening us.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd say he'd set fire to the house.
50:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Dad locked all the matches and knives in our air raid shelter, but it did no good.
50:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Fire started happening all around the house.
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit, so he did see he did make good on his word.
51:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, when he said fucking psycho.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I'm going to burn this place down.
51:08
[SPEAKER_01]: They watched a match appear out of nowhere, light, and go right across Shirley's face, so much so that it's sinister eyebrows.
51:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
51:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You can drop on the floor.
51:21
[SPEAKER_00]: What is psycho?
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I'm not kidding, I'm gonna do it.
51:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know like there's a part of me that is scared and then there would be a part of me that is just like you or a fucking psychopathic child like I'll let one do sit and talk shit
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: and like you're you're insane like what are you doing you have no you have no direction you're making no point at all all you're doing is fucking threatened to burn stuff like this doesn't help your case dude no no speaking of threatened to burn stuff uh... surely some bad
52:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Wally goes up to check on her, looks over, and her entire bed's on fire.
52:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Wally does whatever one does do when they see their child on fire, he grabs the sheets and runs them outside to the road and starts trying to put them out.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that means, yeah.
52:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting severely burned on his hands and arms.
52:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and he just throw it outside and be done with it.
52:41
[SPEAKER_01]: it just keeps getting worse can you imagine just like no can you imagine being outside cutting your grass and you look over in the road and you see your neighbor on fire but then you're like oh no he's not on fire he's just said his blankets on fire yeah he's trying to put him out and then you get to think and you're like oh he's 63 y-cliff this happens all the time yeah it's just it's what happened maybe the more fires they start the quieter the banging
53:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It keeps on getting worse because now it's still pulling Shirley's watch off of her hand, throwing it at other family members, it's pulling her shoes off of her feet and tossing them at family members, she's waking up in the night with her feet tied together, almost like it's taken a shot at the two fellas who are like she's making this noise with her feet, like, are we now?
53:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we?
53:39
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still love it because, by all accounts, even though he's, he's disproving the naysayers in the world.
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, he's also not disproving shit because only the family is experiencing it.
53:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
53:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's utterly irrelevant.
54:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is the dumbest.
54:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Paranormal entity.
54:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've ever heard about.
54:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
54:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Donald.
54:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
54:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he's about to get it.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little ways down here.
54:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He's about to get real cool.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I fuck with that.
54:18
[SPEAKER_01]: The threats get worse.
54:20
[SPEAKER_01]: The threats just get worse and worse than catching you on fire.
54:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts writing and communicating on the walls in the paper.
54:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And now the threats are directed at Kitty.
54:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how he just suddenly learned to read and write.
54:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually pretty terrifying.
54:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He's writing on the walls.
54:42
[SPEAKER_01]: His evolution is rather quick.
54:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's threatening Kitty saying, hey,
54:49
[SPEAKER_01]: you know your wife your mom she's she's wheelchair bound it's going to be hard to get her other house if it's on fire which I love that's his solution to everything burn shit fire burn shit I will burn you so this nationwide
55:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Interest brings in, what would he think would happen if, if Wally just reversed the roles and goes, you know what, I'll just catch you on fire, how about that?
55:24
[SPEAKER_00]: How about I start lighting you on fire, Donald?
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I would know what would happen.
55:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He just set Shirley on fire.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That what?
55:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So the nationwide interest catches the eye of a paranormal investigator.
55:42
[SPEAKER_01]: named Harold Chibbet.
55:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He sounds official.
55:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Harold Chibbet is, is official.
55:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
55:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Bros in his 50s?
55:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
55:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a tax-mandering the day, but during the night, he is an investigator.
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She'll show us up in a three-piece suit.
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Smoking a pipe just like someone you would see investigating the paranormal's in the 50s.
56:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
56:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He begins his investigation in March.
56:08
[SPEAKER_01]: and sticks with them almost the entire length of the haunting, as one would say.
56:17
[SPEAKER_01]: He begins to make a connection with Donald and Donald starts writing him notes like directed toward him.
56:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So they make a connection.
56:36
[SPEAKER_00]: history and all this weird shit that's weird which ship it's also into how the did chip it and Donald just become best friends uh some may say that's fucking weird some may say but it also is weird because a little bit later on
56:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna tap into Shibit's psyche, like it did with Ethel.
57:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just gets weird that it knows shit about these people that is not supposed to know.
57:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And respectfully, how the fuck do you just stumble on to knowing and talking about history with a paranormal entity that catches shit on fire?
57:19
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that happen?
57:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, how is it one day I come home from work and this dude investigating is like, oh yeah, by the way, Donald's actually a, he's a big history buff.
57:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't know that about, but this is crazy.
57:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's totally in the history.
57:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I meant history.
57:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: right letters about the French Revolution strange interesting another reporter got close to the family her name was Joyce Lewis and then another weird choice by Kitty and Wally they said hey Joyce why don't you come and stay a few nights with us you can sleep in Charlize bed with her that's weird and it was about as well as you thought it would because Donald was not happy
58:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because there's somebody else in bed with Shirley.
58:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
58:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The woman of his dreams.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Joyce immediately as soon as they fell asleep.
58:13
[SPEAKER_01]: She saw the willing to catch on fire.
58:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: If he can't have her, no one will.
58:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, any catches among fire.
58:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
58:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So she immediately started here in the banging noise from underneath the bed.
58:25
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, what is happening?
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it moves to the head of the bed.
58:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she hears the scratching.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, okay, this is getting really weird.
58:34
[SPEAKER_01]: She then starts to smell a woman's perfume, which almost as soon as she gets a off of it,
58:42
[SPEAKER_01]: turns into the smell of burning rubber and sulfur.
58:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was hoping as soon as you said, women's perfume, he's using this as an accelerant, like dumping gas on some of that.
58:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Not quite, but you get the sulfur.
59:01
[SPEAKER_01]: and you kind of lean into that demonic realm again naturally which there were other people reported to have the same experiences which I feel is odd smelling the woman's perfume and then it immediately devolving into sulfur not just being a one off this happened multiple times but as Joyce Lewis is hearing these things she gets up out of bed thinking there's
59:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually sitting there, she watches surely be pulled out of the bed by her feet, she's lands on the floor, they're getting her up and about her bearings and she has a large claw mark on her arm and also is there checking her out for other claw marks, there is a piece of string tied around her big toe.
59:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, almost a big FU, two of the two guys who said she was making it with the big toe.
1:00:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like one of the scariest situations ever just being pulled out of bed by your foot.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't do anything to stop it.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a primal fear.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the more people that show up, the more power Donald gets.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts starting more fires.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_01]: They're oven is getting turned on with nobody in the home and when it's turned on The same unknown entity turning it on is also stacking blankets on top of the burners He says he's trying to get it is fucking side they just straight up psychopath
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Because on one hand, you do feel like it is a young 15-year-old crazy ass spirit.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, when he does the claw marks and stuff, you're like, all right, this is a full fledged agent demon.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he also has the ability to just completely negate exorcisms, religion, all that.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That just makes him mad.
1:01:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So you figure he's got to be like, oh, gee.
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh, you hit the new or you hit the nail the head when you said he had multiple identities, which also comes with the Monarch possession, then having more than one name.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts communicating with gibbets saying that sometimes other entities show up.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And their names are Mickey, Dopey, and Shaggy Roots.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be like, I would instantly call Donald a liar.
1:01:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you're a fucking liar.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is Shaggy Roots?
1:01:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It, well, he, he, he is telling chibbits that these other entities take his powers and they also start the fires.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Shaggy Roots, there's that out of your stack and blankets on the oven.
1:02:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts, I don't even know what his in-game is, because then he starts warning the family, telling them that there's an intruder, that there's intruders in the home, that there is a man with a knife that's gonna take surely.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_01]: All of this shit just to make the family terrified when actually none of these things happened.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna ask, did any of that actually transpire?
1:02:32
[SPEAKER_01]: E, not that.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So, they're just out of options at this point.
1:02:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Wally's sister, Nell, who lives a street over, says, hey, surely can come stay with me.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That way, you guys can get some rest.
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I can put up with this for a week.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how it goes.
1:02:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get some rest because at this point, Wally has not only,
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_01]: been forced to take a leave of absence from his job because the lack of sleep the stress you can't be operating trains when you have a poltergeist demon so he's forced to take months off but when he went back he was
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_01]: heavily demoted to a ticket taker.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Daniel.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, him being the only breadwinner of the house.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_01]: This hit them really, really hard.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but thanks Donald.
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Nell's trying to help him out while he can get some rest.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take her in.
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't last 48 hours because the following day surely was brought back to the house in a police car.
1:03:45
[SPEAKER_01]: and what happened at Nell's house hasn't been documented, but it is reported in Charlize Book that she was never allowed in Nell's house again.
1:03:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah and so and then nobody it just didn't talk about it no it was that bad that it just it's like no I'm assuming Shirley probably doesn't remember because a lot of the things she kind of blacks blanks out uh she wrote a book which I will plug here at the end of the show I still still got a bunch of stuff uh but I'll plug it at the end of the show if anybody wants to look into it
1:04:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'd mention that Chibbits and this, and Donald have been, have been communicating, you know, Donald's writing him notes, yeah, they're talking back and forth, PFFs, PFFs, he decides, because he's still in the back of his mind while he is a paranormal investigator, he's still wondering if something SOS is going on.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_01]: They have, they have an extra little like closet room that he decides he's going to make it the writing room where he'll put the writing material, the paper and the pencils in there, he will lock the door and he will have the only key.
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That way nobody can get in there to write the notes.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_01]: then this works.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Some days he comes back to 40, 50, 60 notes written while he is gone the night before.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it starts getting super personal for, well, not super personal, but things about chibbits that nobody in the home should know because his main interest in the paranormal is UFOs.
1:05:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald starts claiming to be an alien that has come from the atmosphere.
1:05:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He said he'd talk about, he'd leave notes about life on other planets.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he started threatening anyone that didn't believe in flying saucers.
1:05:57
[SPEAKER_01]: If everyone in the house didn't believe in flying saucers, he was going to set it on fire.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_00]: The best story ever.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes it is.
1:06:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Like truly a hundred percent Donald is a fucking psychopath.
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_00]: he gets worse like a ultra possessive of every like surely my girlfriend hell possessive chips my best friend hell possess alien you don't like him you're gonna die
1:06:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like my best friend actually loves UFOs turns out I'm an alien and if you don't believe in UFOs I'm gonna burn you.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I will burn this whole house now.
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will kid surely on fire because you don't believe in UFOs.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
1:06:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's still so much weird to it.
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_01]: The family takes Shirley to the doctor.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, what can we do?
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Please anything to help her.
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, just a regular doctor.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_01]: The best we can do is give her some anti anxiety medication.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it'll help her sleep.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Helper relax, help her chill out.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_01]: They go home.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That night, Donald takes all of her anti anxiety medication and dissolves it in the glass of water.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So now, she's not getting help.
1:07:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so fucked up.
1:07:25
[SPEAKER_01]: What an asshole.
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so crazy.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We move from there to one of the strangest aspects of the haunting possession, whatever the fuck?
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Because sometimes chibbits will ask Donald questions that he doesn't know.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_01]: When he doesn't know, he has to consult, quote, his statesman, which requires, Donald says, I don't know, let me get a hold of my statesman.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, interesting.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Which requires everyone to leave the home.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
1:08:04
[SPEAKER_01]: When they come back, the furniture will have been all arranged in one set room.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_01]: In a circle, like all the chairs of the house will be in a circle in one room.
1:08:16
[SPEAKER_01]: The mirrors will all be covered with blankets or clothing, and the smell of tobacco smoke will be prominent in the house, and Donald will apparently have some answers for whatever questions ship it was asking.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird.
1:08:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking weird.
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It happened more than once.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_01]: and then they started to be they started waking up with the chairs being it in the circle in the mirrors covered at night.
1:08:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're likely just summoning counsel in the middle of the night.
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Summoning the statesman whenever you need.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
1:08:52
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't sound fucking creepy.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so weird.
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the course of the haunting
1:09:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost as if Donald would take a liking to specific reporters.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mentioned Kurt Scherleer, it was one that he had hyper-focused on.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oddly enough, it was also one that Scherley admitting to have an crush on.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_01]: which is weird because Kirch was one of the biggest skeptics of the whole case was like whatever, you know.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Shirley's the real psychopath.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald would begin demanding Kirch come to the house and if he didn't, he would just throw a fit, start fires and this would
1:09:46
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... in the journalism he'd hyperfocus on one and he'd make demands hyperfocus on one and make demands this escalated into uh... movie stars oh there's a movie star named Jeremy Spencer Jeremy Spencer became the focus of Donald's infatuation
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_01]: telling everyone that he looked a lot like Jeremy Spencer and then he wanted a picture of Jeremy Spencer up in him and Shirley's room at all times.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He began doing the the voice thing where people hear he called it mind transference of Jeremy Spencer talking to Shirley where everyone could hear it happening.
1:10:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fucked up.
1:10:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He demanded that he meet Jeremy Spencer.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy Spencer comes to the house.
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't come to the house.
1:10:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He demanded that he comes to the house.
1:10:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_01]: The family reaches out and gets a hold of not only Spencer's brother, but also his agent.
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeremy's like, you know what?
1:10:59
[SPEAKER_01]: If
1:11:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He, if Donald can lock in and tell me one very specific thing about this personal piece of information, I will gladly come to the house, Donald failed.
1:11:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit, I couldn't do it.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't lock in well enough, and he's like, all right, okay, Jeremy's going to get in a car wreck.
1:11:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happened?
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy got a car wreck.
1:11:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't hurt him that bad, but it wasn't enough to be for people to be like, Oh, they should have went hung out the Donald strangely enough while he reported walking into the bedroom and seeing a strange liquid falling from the picture, which wally being wally apparently tasted it and said that it was salty.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought that it was the picture crying because Donald had locked in so much on Jeremy.
1:12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a, maybe he thought that was going to frown.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe while he did too, that's why he was prone to just being like, oh, what's that?
1:12:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me lick it.
1:12:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:12:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:12:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
1:12:17
[SPEAKER_01]: After.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_01]: What am I?
1:12:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you do that?
1:12:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I see his strange liquid, let me lick it.
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's taste it.
1:12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, so, so after Jeremy realizes that he can predict things in the future.
1:12:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god.
1:12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts doing it.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just evolving super villain.
1:12:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he predicted a plane crash.
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Bours before it even made it on the news.
1:12:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Does anybody ever come close to,
1:12:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Possibly identifying what this thing is.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, because not long after the playing crash.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald said, hey, I'm not Donald.
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm James Dean.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got a message that said, they got a message just said, I don't know who you good folks are, but I'm still waiting for help.
1:13:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Please hurry.
1:13:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm grateful to you, man, for keeping me here, but I'm lost.
1:13:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get back to my home country, but how?
1:13:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, Mr.
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm James Dean.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't ask to come here.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just guess I got here.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So please help me.
1:13:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I belong in California.
1:13:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, all right.
1:13:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you need?
1:13:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You need some money here.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some money.
1:13:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Get on the train.
1:13:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Go California.
1:13:40
[SPEAKER_01]: This.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_01]: So the James Dean, the ghost of James Dean starts communicating with Shirley and telling her she needs to be an actress.
1:13:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald pops back in and says, yeah, that's a good idea.
1:13:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop talking to my girls.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_00]: She's it's Christ.
1:14:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So they start arguing and not getting...
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So James Dean and Donald start arguing.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They started biting heads, just like I'm in correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm picturing a fictitious argument on paper that you just come into the writing room and you see a note from James Dean and then I know from Donald and then they're literally just arguing over paper.
1:14:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they're arguing, they've literally James moves on his way, gets released, it goes to wherever, the movie stars go after they die, Grandma Ethel comes back into the situation.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, damn, OG Ethel's back.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she wants a room back.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: She goes up there and takes it.
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Passes Donald off.
1:14:49
[SPEAKER_01]: starts demanding, surely get a room back, demanding it, making loud noise as banks, setting the house on fire, eventually Ethel's like, you know what, I cannot take this again.
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna just go into the nursing home.
1:15:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So stressful.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You put yourself in the home.
1:15:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It got so bad.
1:15:12
[SPEAKER_01]: She put herself in the home.
1:15:14
[SPEAKER_01]: that night she dies oh damn that sucks has a stroke which could be you know argued that it was from the stress sure Arnold and dies of the stroke R.P.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Ethel yes so there if you if you read the book let me see it's called the Poltergeist Prince of London it's written by James Clark also co-authored by Shirley herself
1:15:41
[SPEAKER_01]: there is a there's a ton of happenings like she records a lot of things she can remember Chib it's also wrote a book but could not get a publisher for it
1:15:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He leaned another prominent piece of the puzzle that I forgot to mention.
1:16:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I was that another identity that Donald took was Louis XVI, which was a son of Louis XVI that I'm assuming.
1:16:17
[SPEAKER_01]: but he also said that he was, he was French royalty said that he lived in the 14th century said that he lived in the 18th century.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He just went on and on and on and on about all this stuff.
1:16:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But it should be noted that this particular Louis XVI was a young male.
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_01]: who was often portrayed in paintings as having a blue suit and had red hair.
1:16:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep that in mind for later on.
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, I could talk about all these kind of things over and over again.
1:16:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, Shirley starts getting a little bit older.
1:16:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Donald's possession kind of starts to relent a little bit a little bit more.
1:17:01
[SPEAKER_01]: She's getting older of course for a while she couldn't go on dates if she would make it would just be misery, but she meets a man named Derek who against all better judgment says, you know what, I really love her.
1:17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to take her for what she is if Donald's got to come along with us, that's fine.
1:17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Derrick would report that they would go out on dates and when they would get back home, Donald would leave notes, quoting things that they talked about, answering like different, like noting different things that they talked about, like writing down what they aid at the dinner, just like almost flexing a little bit, letting Derrick know, hey, you may ever out there, but I got her up here.
1:17:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Oddly enough,
1:17:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still rolls with it.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Mary's there.
1:17:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And they start a family.
1:17:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's see.
1:17:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna try to keep this rational uh... well not rational but like pg i guess because i'm a i mean if uh... what's his name that started dating or dareacare ok so if i'm dareac and i got Donald leaving me notes like essentially quoting this at the other and it's just me that Donald is
1:18:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of there, too.
1:18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like, hey Donald, guess what I can do to you.
1:18:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Just just think about it.
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But just think about it.
1:18:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get a little payback of my own.
1:18:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to keep talking shit.
1:18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, Donald seems to take a liking to Derek.
1:18:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that Shirley found out she was
1:18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's weird.
1:18:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird, right?
1:18:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
1:18:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Things go on.
1:18:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It dies down a little bit, a little bit more every week till finally, everything just stops.
1:19:05
[SPEAKER_01]: In Shirley's book, she doesn't necessarily give a specific date as to when it ended, but in later interviews, she kind of sauces it up a little bit and said there was an envelope left at her new residence and also the home that just said goodbye, which take e take those for what they are.
1:19:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley had found later on Shirley had found a new job, and as she was there working, a woman came up to her and introduced herself, said she was a spiritualist, which immediately made Shirley think of Henry Hanks who tried to help her in the beginning, but she asked Shirley if she had a younger brother die.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Shirley's like, no, I've never had a younger brother.
1:19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like,
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_01]: small boy in blue lace with red hair that has been here with you since you got here.
1:20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Leaning back into the weird Louis the 17th kind of thing, but also noting that maybe old Donald is still lurking lurking locked on looking out for however you may want to maybe want to spin it.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty much where I ended, but I was looking online and I found some interesting accounts.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_01]: One was of a woman whose mother was in art school with Shirley.
1:20:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is completely off the record just a person commenting on a video and she said that the banging would happen in the classroom and she said it sounded, it was so loud it sounded like a pneumatic drill.
1:20:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Not constant, but the same volume just wanted to time.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm just shaking the whole classroom.
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It would stop.
1:21:06
[SPEAKER_01]: She reported it stopped once the teacher started talking.
1:21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And when the teacher did the inkwell and the desk that they shared, raised up out of its holder came over and dumped on top of Shirley's notebook where she was supposed to be drawing.
1:21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, essentially, not letting her focus on what she was supposed to do.
1:21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was interesting that there's outside sources curl, co-obberating the things that we're going on.
1:21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: it's wild.
1:21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's a lot of skeptics thinking that maybe Shirley was behind this.
1:21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It should be noted that the notes that were written did not match Shirley's handwriting, which is strange.
1:21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: People lock into maybe Donald was just using Shirley as a conduit to get out to the
1:22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, it's still a big of a mystery as it is now as it was then if you guys want to check out the book, the Poltergeist Prince of London written by James Clark, co-written by Shirley herself.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, there's a ton of stuff that goes on in there.
1:22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You could pick out weird shit all day.
1:22:21
[SPEAKER_00]: What an amazing story.
1:22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I decide to go into the other Poltergeist cases, you're going to start to see how odd it is that these things.
1:22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: take a lot of the same steps and kind of cross over even centuries apart.
1:22:39
[SPEAKER_01]: They always tend to lock on to a teenager, usually a teenage girl, but not always and kind of have a bunch of similarities, which is what kind of drug me down this path.
1:22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So I might dive into some more.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys, if I do, make sure to refer reference back to this one.
1:23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but yeah, check out the book.
1:23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: There's tons of information out bunch of bunch of other shows of Donets YouTube videos on it.
1:23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: One of Henry Hank's exorcisms was supposedly filmed by a TV crew.
1:23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: which I'm pretty sure you can find online but Henry does come out to say that it's not the actual exorcism.
1:23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's a reproduction they did after the actual exorcism because Henry thought that having cameras or video cameras in there would take away from what he was trying to accomplish.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can see that but just make a note that it's probably not life footage
1:23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's that.
1:23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Battersea Poltergeist.
1:23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Check it out, holo cult.
1:23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, thanks for hanging out with us today.
1:23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Hope your work week's going great.
1:23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
1:23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, man, if you got a Poltergeist, don't send your kid out with TV reporters to be strip search and hypnotize.
1:24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Just think it through.