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The Biblio Diet: What Jordan Rubin says is making you sick · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Sherry Tenpenny.
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  So now let's get started.
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  My conversation today is with New York Times bestselling author of 31 books.
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  Every time I have an author on that's written like massive numbers of books, it just like blows my mind because I know how hard it is to write one book, and I've written about three.
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  So 31 books and America's biblical health coach, Jordan Rubin, to talk about his newest book, The Bibliodiet Healing Secrets from the Bible.
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  Jordan, thanks so much for being with me today.
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  It's just such an honor to have you on the show.
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  It is great to be here, Dr.
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  Tenpenny.
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  I appreciate the opportunity.
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  And yeah, my hands are very sore from writing the books because Lord knows we do it by hand and pencil.
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  Imagine if we did, though.
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  That would be even tougher.
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  So takes for real.
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  I mean, it's just it's just astonishing to me that people uh first of all would have that much to say.
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  And second of all, that could take the time to write that many books.
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  That's just so congratulations.
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  I'm just in awe of your work to be able to do that.
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  That's just really wonderful.
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  You know, uh, let's tell us a little bit.
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  You know, what's interesting about your book is that you wrote this with Josh Axe.
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  And so tell how that you did that together and you wove it together so masterfully.
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  And but I did like how at places you would say, this is Josh talking, you know, in parentheses, or this is Jordan talking.
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  So you could sort of tell the difference.
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  But how did you decide to write it together and write it in such a crafty way?
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  Well, uh uh Dr.
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  Josh Axe has been a friend and protege of mine going back, gosh, I want to say almost 17 years.
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  And he was a student in chiropractic college.
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  His mom was going through a breast cancer battle.
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  I think it was metastatic at the time, and he read one of my previous books, The Maker's Diet.
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  It was helpful to him.
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  And ultimately, we crossed paths, and he asked if he could be mentored by me.
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  And when I say ask, uh, Sherry, he showed up on my doorstep.
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  He was single at the time, asked if he could stay at my house, opened my fridge, and ate all my food.
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  So we kind of joke about that.
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  Uh, when you're not married, I almost think men who are bachelors could be considered undomesticated.
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  You know, it's it's uh, I'm saying that I'm outing myself.
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  So Josh and I have worked together on many projects.
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  We started companies together, but we had never written a biblical health book together, and I knew how passionate he was about the topic.
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  And I really believe, Sherry, that in almost anything, uh, two or better than one.
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  The Bible says a cord of three strands is not easily broken.
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  Um, but this partnership was great because as you know, in this day and age, when you have a message, when you write a book, when you believe it's something that is important that's bigger than you, it's great to be able to share each other's burdens.
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  And for example, he could go on a podcast to talk about the book.
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  I could go on a different podcast.
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  And it allowed us to get this important message, this timely message to an audience quicker.
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  And we agree, I would say, on 90% of nutritional topics and content.
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  So where we disagreed, one of us would be more of the focus and uh and the disagreements are small, but uh everybody in our space and what I would say natural health has a different way of treating things or recommending or maybe even personally eating and supplementing.
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  And so uh those differences actually, I believe made for a better book and a better message.
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  You know, you mentioned in passing um the makers, the makers diet, your other book.
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  How does this book, this new book, the bibliodiet differ from or build on what you wrote about in the maker's diet?
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  You know, I would love to tell you that my study in 2003 when I wrote The Maker's Diet of the Bible, which is a book you can hold in your hand.
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  We're not talking about a thousand volumes.
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  You would think that if I set out for a year of my life to write a book about biblical health, that every tidbit of health information in this one book would be able to be uh weaved in my message.
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  However, I believe that the Bible is not just any book.
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  I believe it's living and active.
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  That's what the Bible says.
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  The word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword.
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  And for whatever reason, Dr.
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  Sherry, there were things in the Bible that I would best describe as being hidden in plain sight when I wrote The Maker's Diet when I wrote the Great Physicians Prescription Series.
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  These were all biblical health books, but God waited to reveal certain key revelations, as I'll call them for the biblio diet.
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  And for the first time, I believe ever that I read, I share some of these.
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  I share some of these.
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  In addition, back in 2003 and 2004, you probably remember how much resistance we faced in our movement.
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  In addition, back in 2003 and 2004, you probably remember how much resistance we faced in our movement.
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  Now it's uh a little bit easier today, and we have a little more wind at our backs, but we were in a very different time.
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  Now it's uh a little bit easier today, and we have a little more wind at our backs, but we were in a very different time.
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  The health food movement was much more, I'll say behind the eight ball.
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  The health food movement was much more, I'll say behind the eight ball.
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  We didn't have as many resources to recommend to people.
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  We didn't have as many resources to recommend to people.
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  There weren't these really cool health food stores like Whole Foods.
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  There weren't these really cool health food stores like Whole Foods and Sprouts and natural grocers everywhere.
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  So also my audience at the time when I wrote the Maker's Diet was very uh focused on autoimmune disease, inflammatory bowel disease, real serious illness.
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  So I wrote the maker's diet for someone who wanted a hardcore health plan that would help them climb out of their mess.
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  Whereas the bibliodiet is really a book for everyone that will meet them at whatever point they are on in their health journey.
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  And we really give I would say an opportunity to consume foods that people love that are biblically correct, but we help you walk from worst to good to better to best, so that people can read it and not just immediately close it and give up because they have to get rid of everything in their pantry in their fridge, and what are their kids going to do and what's my husband going to eat?
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  So I think the bibliodiet is an approachable book for everyone who believes that God is the author and finisher of our faith, and even people that don't and simply want to eat in a way that is biologically correct for our bodies.
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  So that is a long answer, but the bibliodet really uh introduces new revelation.
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  And because the Bible is this living and active word, even since we wrote the bibliodiet, there's still new revelation that I'm reading as I go through the Bible systematically, which just blows my mind because you would think we could learn everything in the book, but it's a lifetime of study.
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  Yeah, just the book itself is a lifetime of study, not only just looking for certain things in terms of studying, which is just amazing.
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  You know, and I do like that about your book, the bibliodiet that you you give people grace.
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  You're like, this is the way, you know, that the Bible says to eat, but you know, if you want to eat bacon once in a while, eat bacon once in a while, you know?
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  And so you give people you don't really give them an out, but you give them grace that as they're transitioning more towards a more healthy diet and eliminating things that are not good for them or that they shouldn't eat or to make better choices.
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  Um, it it's kind of because what happens with so many diet books, as you well know, it's an all or nothing.
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  Either you're all in or don't even bother to read the book.
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  And your book, this book, the bibliod, it I guess the best way to say it is it gives people grace.
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  It's like, okay, I know I need to stop eating that.
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  I um I'll cut back to, you know, I'll cut back and I'll cut back and I'll cut back until I get to that.
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  And and you celebrate that with them.
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  So it's a really, it's really cool about the way that you present it that way.
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  Well, I like to say that the bibliodiet is the only health plan I know of that not only allows but recommends red meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt, because for too long, and I can remember all the diet phases that have come along in the last 30, almost 35 years, and many of them are really just you're just white knuckling, grinning and bearing it, and you can't wait till you get quote unquote off the diet.
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  The bibliod's really a lifestyle, and I think it's one that families can live, love, and thrive on.
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  And I'm kind of a foodie.
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  Josh is definitely a foodie, and we love to eat good healthy food.
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  Sherry, I grew up the son of a chiropractor and a naturopathic doctor.
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  And back in the 70s and 80s, health food tasted like twigs, rocks, and I mean, this stuff was horrible.
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  And now, fast forward, there are delicious, truly healthful foods that we can eat.
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  And I feel like my children who have never eaten fast food, at least uh the ones uh under my roof, they've never had vaccines.
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  I mean, we share a lot of common beliefs.
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  I don't think they're missing anything.
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  In fact, the only thing they're missing is the lack of health, the lack of cognition, the uh multiple sick days, all the other nonsense that people have to deal with.
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  Uh, you'll appreciate this.
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  I have an 18-year-old daughter who has just traveled intensively internationally, and then uh here on a domestic trip, and she came what we'll say came down with a very severe flu.
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  This tells you how medically minded we are.
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  She's 18 years old.
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  Now we adopted her at two days old.
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  So we've had her since she was two days.
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  She had a fever, and we checked her temperature.
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  And Sherry, this was the first time we ever took her temperature in her entire life.
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  She didn't know how to do it.
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  I just said, hold it under your tongue.
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  It's electronic.
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  And it was a pretty good fever, and we were watching it.
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  It got up to 104.
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  We didn't, I don't even have any NSAIDs in the house.
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  We did the natural things, and I told her, I said, you know what, Alexa, this is going to be the best cleanse you've had in a long time because she's like, Dad, my knees are hurting.
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  And I said, Well, those are compounds that the body's producing that we couldn't even buy or inject you with.
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  There's interferons and there's all kinds of interleukins being produced.
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  And so, point being, um, everybody's on their own journey.
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  So many people I meet say, Jordan, I've just learned about the healthy way of living, but I'm so confused.
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  I don't know if this is good or that's good.
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  Should I be keto carnivore, vegan, somewhere in between a lacto-ovopescitarian?
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  I believe, and this is where the the name came about.
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  People talked all about the paleo diet, the paleo diet.
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  And I personally don't believe we originated from apes or that we lived in caves.
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  Well, I guess technically we lived in homes in caves.
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  That's my worldview is not hundreds of thousands of years of human existence.
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  And so I said a lot of people who believe in the Bible want to not go around saying I'm following a paleo diet, but what about a biblio diet?
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  And that's where the name came from, some 10 plus years ago.
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  And I said, Well, you don't have to be a pescatarian, a vegetarian, a vegan, a carnivore, a keto.
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  You can be a bibliotarian and follow the historical diet and lifestyle found in the Bible.
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  Found in the Bible.
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  And that's what we're trying to do is raise up a uh an army of bibliotarians.
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  And that's what we're trying to do is raise up a uh an army of bibliotarians.
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  That's great.
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  That's great.
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  I just love the way that you explain that too.
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  I just love the way that you explain that too.
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  You know, one of the things that you you spend a lot of time on, and you talk about a lot in your book, The Biblio Diet is about fasting, and that you're a big fan of fasting, and you even define several different types of fasts.
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  You know, one of the things that you you spend a lot of time on, and you talk about a lot in your book, The Biblio Diet is about fasting and that you're a big fan of fasting, and you even define several different types of fasts.
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  What is the benefit of fasting, both physically and spiritually for people?
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  What is the benefit of fasting, both physically and spiritually for people?
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  And how do you choose the right fast for you?
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  And how do you choose the right fast for you?
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  Sherry, I would almost ask another question and say, what aren't the benefits of fasting?
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  So let me go back historically and say that fasting not only unlocks the healer within, not only in Isaiah 58, starting with verse six in the Bible, does the word of God say that fasting can unlock your health potential?
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  It can transform your mood, it can break addictions, but it also says that when you do it, God speaks to you about ways to help mankind.
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  Such a great passage of scripture.
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  And that really is the definitive passage on fasting.
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  But in medical literature, there have been documented cases of severe autoimmune disease, including juvenile rheumatoid arthritis with symptoms being completely ameliorated with fasting.
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  That and I would say water fasting.
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  Now we all know that as a child or even as an adult, you cannot go on extended water fasts without losing muscle and even other healthy tissue.
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  And especially when you're a child or a teenager, that prime growth period, you want to be very careful with that.
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  So what we have done is tried to make fasting approachable for everyone.
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  Case in point, it is where I am 11, 18 a.m.
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  And I haven't eaten anything, and I'm not even thinking about eating anything, perhaps today until dinner.
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  I will fit food in when it works for my schedule, but I am sharp.
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  I am alert.
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  I feel like if I'm going to do a podcast, if I'm going to write, if I'm going to research, if I'm going to participate in a sport, I would rather do it in a fasted state because my metabolism is working more.
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  My brain is being powered likely by an alternate fuel source, ketones, and I'm going to enjoy and even digest my food better when I eat this afternoon or this evening because I've given my body a rest.
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  So many people are struggling with excess inflammation.
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  Maybe they're dealing with a cancer diagnosis or an overabundance of toxicity.
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  The body wants to heal if you will give it the opportunity.
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  But when we're constantly eating, especially an ultra processed borderline garbage diet, your body is fighting off friendly fire, and it doesn't have a chance to go and truly cleanse.
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  I'm a big believer in cleansing and detoxification.
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  I think you can consume certain herbs and spices and certain beverages and fats and more.
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  But the best way to detoxify is to let your body do what it was created to do.
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  And if you can't fast or you feel like it's difficult to go a day or three days or a week, then try a modified intermittent fast.
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  Maybe it's something you could call time restricted eating and skip breakfast.
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  And then if you feel like it, skip lunch.
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  The term breakfast, break fast should be whenever you break your fast, because we all fast for presumably the night overnight.
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  The first time you eat should not be three hours, six hours from the last time you eat.
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  We have it backwards.
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  And in the Bible and also through history and all my research that I've done, people did not eat three, four, five, six times a day.
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  And they certainly didn't have a midnight snack and some kind of junky donut at 6 a.m.
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  in the morning.
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  In fact, I have ancestors, relatives that are Jewish, and when I interview them, and this they lived all over the world, primarily Eastern Europe, they barely ate anything in the morning.
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  They had a light lunch.
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  Their primary meal was really at dinner when the work was done.
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  If you're in a battle, when the fighting is over and you eat in the evening, but you don't eat after it gets dark because back in the day we didn't have artificial light.
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  So eating and living within the balance of the body is the best way to go.
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  And again, I'm not going to tell you to eat twigs, rocks, and a few berries.
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  I mentioned earlier, and if you're just joining, the bibliod not only allows but highly recommends red meat, dairy, red, salt, and fat, but I give you the types of each food that are the healthiest, the most natural, and have caused our ancestors to thrive in a way far greater than we have in this generation for millennia.
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  You know, that's so interesting.
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  And you talk about that, what you just explained in your book about eating that big meal at the end of the day after you've been out working in the fields all day.
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  And that's when you sit down to break bread, and when you read about back in the day in the Romans time, they would recline at dinner time and it would take hours, and they would they would it would be community and family and just they would commune and all those things.
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  But we've been taught differently.
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  You know, we've been taught to eat like a king at breakfast, a prince at lunch, and a pauper at dinner, and don't eat anything after seven o'clock at night and get all your calories in during the day because that's when you're going to burn them up the most.
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  But I find that it's true that if you don't eat in the morning, you you're you have more clarity.
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  I I had a doctor tell me one time I was at a conference years ago, it was a it was an integrative conference.
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  We were eating lunch, and I had him tell me that he thought that from a blood chemistry perspective and an energy perspective, some of the healthiest people, and I say that in air quotes, that he ever took care of were anorexics because they didn't eat and they didn't have all this inflammatory stuff in it.
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  Now, I don't want anybody to think that I'm advocating for that, but I'm just saying that we eat so much that we really don't need to eat, and we eat it at the wrong times of day.
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  And I really appreciate in your book, The Bibliodiet, where you actually talk about the types of red meat and the types of grains and the types of fermented dairy like kefir and things like that that are so much better for you.
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  The one thing that you talk about a lot too is the the bad, the downside of seed oils, and that seed oils are just, you know, I feel sometimes when I go to the grocery store, I always told my patients you're you you should shop around the edges, and the only aisle you're allowed to go down is the one with laundry detergent and toilet paper, because everything else in those aisles is pretty much junk, and you see these bright color packagings, and they sort of like leap out on you, like with they're like, you know, all over.
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  Should shop around the edges, and the only aisle you're allowed to go down is the one with laundry detergent and toilet paper, because everything else in those aisles is pretty much junk.
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  And you see these bright color packagings, and they sort of like leap out on you, like with they're like, you know, all over.
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  And you talk about in the book the hateful eights that come from vegetable oils.
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  And you talk about in the book the hateful eights that come from vegetable oils.
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  Give us just a little sampling of that of what of why they're so bad for us.
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  Give us just a little sampling of that of what of why they're so bad for us.
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  Well, first, let me tell you I have this sort of deadly dozen.
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  Well, first, let me tell you I have this sort of deadly dozen, and I've had this and taught it for over 25 years.
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  And it starts with unclean or detestable animals, and that would primarily be pork and shellfish.
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  And I can't unpack that all now, but I do believe that certain meats are designed to eat and certain animals are designed to clean up the waste.
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  That would be the pig, that would be the shrimp, the lobster, the muscle, the crab, etc.
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  Number two, I would say diet or artificial sweeteners.
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  And back in the day, I would say in pink, yellow, and blue packets, if people remember or if they're still around.
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  I don't eat at places where I have those packets, but I'm sure they do.
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  And number three, I would say damaged, ultra processed oils.
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  Calling them vegetable oils is probably uh a little bit of a farce, but these oils are highly processed.
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  And really, Sherry, the bottom line is they could not have been made a couple of hundred years ago.
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  So there's no way to get oil that is clear and stable out of a sunflower.
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  Like it's just not possible.
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  In the Bible, you look at olive oil and olives.
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  If you hold them in a press, extra virgin olive oil.
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  And I've seen this in Greece and other European countries and Israel, they have olives and they have a stone.
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  And the weight of the stone, without you doing anything, gently presses the oil out of the olive fruit primarily.
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  And that was easily done without modern technology.
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  When it comes to canola oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, grape seed oil, cotton seed oil, rice bran oil, and more.
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  The processing that you have to go through to create a stable, deodorized, basically tasteless golden oil is immense.
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  You need to build massive infrastructure and factories to extract oil from these seeds.
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  And when you do, they have been processed, they've been stripped of any nutrients, and they are high in a inflammatory fat called linoleic acid, which is not bad for us in the appropriate amounts, but in the modern diet, it makes up well over 10% of our total calories.
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  Whereas in the quote unquote olden days, it was probably three percent or less.
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  And if you eat a diet even more geared towards ultra processed foods, think consuming cereal for breakfast and then some kind of bread that has seed oils in it for lunch with maybe peanut butter that has added seed oils for that lunch.
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  And then for dinner, you're eating processed foods, processed desserts, things that you get at a bakery where they print out a label that has 60 ingredients.
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  One of my I'll say uh diet lessons or advice would be thou shalt not eat anything with 20 or more ingredients.
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  There's just not enough good ingredients.
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  I like ingredient lists that say Apple contains apple.
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  Of course, you could argue that our apples have all this stuff on the skin.
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  And anyway, um, I'm not suggesting that food hasn't changed in many ways for the worse, but you can still eat single ingredient foods no matter where you live, no matter what budget you're on, you can do it affordably, in fact, even more affordably than quote unquote fast food, and you can begin to see the diseases of the modern day evaporate.
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  And it's interesting, Sherry.
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  I'm working on a new book or at least an outline of a new book, and I'm looking at the top diseases by population in America, and it's just so scary.
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  I was trying to create chapters on certain diseases, and at first I thought, well, I'll do 10 chapters on the top 10 diseases.
• 25:43
  Sherry, I'm up to 35 chapters because there's so many diseases that are common.
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  I don't want to leave any out because I want to give people hope and information.
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  But this is horrible that I can't write a document with less than 35 disease names because I'm gonna leave a big part of the population out if I don't, and I've even left things out like for current urinary tract infections, which is a big issue, but you can't leave out depression and anxiety, you can't leave out heart disease, you can't leave out dementia, Alzheimer's, et cetera.
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  But then what about acne and eczema and psoriasis and not just osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis again, and it can't be one type of cancer because cancer is wreaking havoc with so many different diagnoses.
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  Jordan Rubin to talk about his book, The Biblio Diet and Healing Secrets from the Bible.
• 34:21
  Let me tell you just a little bit more about Jordan Rubin.
• 34:24
  Jordan is a New York Times bestselling author.
• 34:27
  Um in the early 1990s, a near fatal struggle with Crohn's disease led him to discover a biblically based diet that became the foundation of his healing.
• 34:36
  His recovery was the foundation of The Maker's Diet published in 1996.
• 34:42
  He later overcame terminal cancer in 2008 after being told he had just 90 days to live.
• 34:48
  From these battles, Jordan Rubin founded Garden of Life or Beyond Organic and Ancient Nutrition.
• 34:56
  With a degree in naturopathic medicine and certifications and nutrition and fitness, Jordan has served as an expert lecturer around the world.
• 35:00
  Jordan has served as an expert lecturer around the world.
• 35:03
  He holds multiple patents on natural pharmaceuticals and dietary supplements.
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  He holds multiple patents on natural pharmaceuticals and dietary supplements.
• 35:09
  He operates Heal the Planet Farms in Tennessee and Missouri as a leader of the regenerative farming movement.
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  He operates Heal the Planet Farms in Tennessee and Missouri as a leader of the regenerative farming movement.
• 35:16
  Jordan, thank you so much for being on our show here today.
• 35:16
  Jordan, thank you so much for being on our show here today.
• 35:19
  Man, you don't have a spare minute in your life, do you?
• 35:19
  Man, you don't have a spare minute in your life, do you?
• 35:22
  Uh, it doesn't appear that way.
• 35:22
  Uh it doesn't appear that way, but you know what?
• 35:24
  But you know what?
• 35:24
  I love what I do.
• 35:24
  I love what I do, and I think um the Bible verse to whom much is given.
• 35:26
  And I think um the Bible verse to whom much is given, much is required or expected, has really been something I've tried to live by.
• 35:34
  And it's I would say easier for people like us to broadcast, to do interviews, to write books, et cetera.
• 35:42
  But what I am most, I'll say blessed by is being able to help individuals, which I don't do it all the time, but I get opportunities kind of one-on-one and see them overcome lifelong or even recent debilitating diseases.
• 35:59
  So I know that without someone extending a hand to me and reaching into the mire and pulling me out of that pit, ultimately inspired by God, I wouldn't be here.
• 36:10
  So it's exciting to share this message.
• 36:13
  And when I write a book, I want to always be cognizant of the one person that's on the other end reading it that I can offer people information that doesn't just give them answers, but gives them hope.
• 36:28
  You know, Sherry, I've been around the world speaking to people about health and nutrition for almost 30 years.
• 36:34
  And I know people are deficient in minerals like zinc.
• 36:37
  They need more omega-3s.
• 36:39
  Their microbiome is completely out of whack and they need more probiotics.
• 36:44
  But the number one deficiency that I see from coast to coast and around the world is hope.
• 36:49
  So more than anything, I want to be an ambassador of hope.
• 36:53
  I want to shout from the rooftops that I've been able to overcome inflammatory bowel disease, terminal cancer, and more uh through the grace of God and the power of his creation.
• 37:05
  And I think that's gonna be for somebody listening or watching right now, because they maybe are hopeless.
• 37:12
  Maybe it's their child, maybe it's their aging parent.
• 37:15
  Maybe it is a diagnosis that's left them with years or months to live.
• 37:23
  I am here to tell you there is hope.
• 37:26
  There is answers, and God is able to meet you at your deepest point of need.
• 37:33
  He doesn't need a book or a food or a beverage or a product, but sometimes he chooses to use a process for healing.
• 37:41
  And I often find Sherry that that is more for somebody on the other end than even for you, because when I was a hundred and four pounds in a wheelchair battling Crohn's colitis at 19 years old, I went from doctor to doctor, and they had these great credentials and diplomas on the wall.
• 38:03
  And I didn't want to know how much they knew or how many people they've treated.
• 38:08
  I wanted to know and find someone who had been where I was and was now an overcomer, a conqueror.
• 38:15
  And I ultimately made the commitment that if I would get well, I would be someone who could share that message of health and hope and say, I was where you are, and I want to help you join me in healing.
• 38:30
  Wow.
• 38:31
  What a what an incredible mission, Jordan.
• 38:33
  That's just really incredible.
• 38:34
  You know, right before the break, we were talking a lot about vegetable oils and you know, seed oils.
• 38:40
  And in your book, um, there's there's a quote that I want to I want to share with the audience.
• 38:45
  You said in the in your book, The Bibliodiet that quote, vegetable oil is the cash cow of the food service industry.
• 38:53
  And without it, the food industry would likely destruct.
• 38:57
  Why did you why do you say that?
• 38:59
  And uh, what can we what can we eat healthily instead?
• 39:03
  Well, I'm gonna answer the second part of the question and say that the same oils and fats that our ancestors have eaten are still so good.
• 39:11
  And some of the ones in the bibliodiet may surprise you.
• 39:14
  I am a big fan of dairy fat, butter.
• 39:18
  If you can't tolerate butter, ghee, which is clarified butter, I think cream is amazing, particularly if it's raw and uh unprocessed.
• 39:28
  In fact, since writing the bibliodiet, I was reading in the book of Job as this man who had lost everything, his wealth, his family and his health.
• 39:37
  He was talking to God and he said, in my prime, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks poured out olive oil.
• 39:47
  And I said to myself, Sherry, if Job, who is a blessed man, now lost everything, was talking about the prime of his life and he used terminology related to dairy fat, cream, and olive oil, how are these not good for us?
• 40:02
  So those are two good examples.
• 40:04
  Dairy fat, olive oil, nuts, and seeds can be good in their unprocessed form, not in the form of seed oils.
• 40:11
  But the reason that we avoid those fats, coconut oil is good, even cocoa butter is good.
• 40:18
  These are good oils.
• 40:19
  The reason we avoid them in uh stead, using seed oils is seed oils are abundant, they're cheap, they last a long time because they're stripped of all nutrition, and they give extra calories, mouth feel, and they can be the backbone of sauces, dressings.
• 40:41
  Sadly, there's a health food chain.
• 40:43
  I'm not going to name names.
• 40:44
  There are actually a few of them.
• 40:45
  If you go to their prepared food section and read the ingredients, which most people don't because they assume that if food is in this particular health food store, it's got to be good.
• 40:56
  They almost all contain canola, safflower, sunflower oil, or worse, it gives you calories.
• 41:02
  It gives you that mouthfeel, fills you up, and it's so cheap.
• 41:08
  Butter actually has to come from a cow and it is minimally processed and it doesn't have a long shelf life.
• 41:15
  These are things that we need, but we are not getting them because the processed foods or ultra-processed foods that our children and we are eating for convenience are loaded with what is now being deemed as seed oils.
• 41:33
  We used to call them hydrogenated oils, partially hydrogenated oils, damaged fats, whatever they are, they are death to us.
• 41:41
  We need to get back to fats that are more natural.
• 41:44
  I didn't mention a couple of others because I have a whole chapter uh that's devoted to the fat of the land, which is considered a blessing in the Bible.
• 41:52
  If you follow my decrees, do what I've called you to do, says the Lord.
• 41:57
  You will eat the fat of the land.
• 41:59
  And even from God's perspective, Sherry, dating back to Cain and Abel, they, those two brothers, the sons of Adam and Eve, they each made a sacrifice to God.
• 42:00
  Even from God's perspective, Sherry, dating back to Cain and Abel, they, those two brothers, the sons of Adam and Eve, they each made a sacrifice to God.
• 42:13
  Cain from the fruit of the land and Abel from the flocks.
• 42:13
  Cain from the fruit of the land and Abel from the flocks.
• 42:18
  And the fat portions were a pleasing aroma unto the Lord.
• 42:18
  And the fat portions were a pleasing aroma unto the Lord.
• 42:22
  We call fat fat.
• 42:22
  We call fat fat.
• 42:24
  We named it that way.
• 42:24
  We named it that way.
• 42:25
  So people don't want to be fat, so they think fat's bad.
• 42:25
  So people don't want to be fat, so they think fat's bad.
• 42:28
  Fat is a blessing.
• 42:28
  Fat is a
• 42:30
  We use terminology like the cream always rises to the top, the cream of the crop.
• 42:35
  That's how a dairy farmer used to judge if they were doing a good job or not, was by the fat.
• 42:40
  Fat can be great or fat can be downright terrible.
• 42:44
  And the processed food and food service industries, they are being propped up by seed oils.
• 42:52
  I don't want to get into all these details, but your show probably welcomes it.
• 42:56
  There's government subsidies on these crummy monocrop genetically modified grains that are destroying the soil.
• 43:06
  They're from corn, they're from soy, they're from canola, and it is a travesty.
• 43:12
  You know, Sherry, I was in Greece two years ago to the Greek islands, and we went to some amazing olive groves and orchards.
• 43:20
  And what I noticed in Greece, at least where I was, when you have any empty land, there were olive trees there producing beautiful fruit, oil, and leaves.
• 43:32
  But in America, I live in the Nashville, Tennessee area.
• 43:36
  Everywhere there's an empty space, it's corn and soy, which is going to be used as animal feed, oil for the industry, citric acid, all these chemicals, such a difference.
• 43:49
  We are taking this precious land we have, and we are creating garbage food stuff.
• 43:57
  And it is again causing so many issues that we deal with today, but there is hope.
• 44:04
  There are good fats.
• 44:05
  And here's the thing, Sherry.
• 44:06
  Most people love butter.
• 44:08
  Most people love coconut.
• 44:10
  Most people love avocado.
• 44:12
  Most people love egg yolks.
• 44:13
  Most people love fatty cuts of meat or salmon.
• 44:18
  And now we're giving you permission or even an admonition to eat them.
• 44:23
  Wow.
• 44:24
  That's really really good news because that really is the best stuff.
• 44:27
  You know, towards the end of your book, and you mentioned it a little bit in passing about with your trip to Greece.
• 44:33
  Toward the end of your book, you have an entire chapter on healing leaves.
• 44:38
  Tell us about healing, the benefits of healing leaves.
• 44:42
  This is going to be, I'm going to say this now, the most amazing revelation.
• 44:49
  I don't want to say discovery because it was always there of my life.
• 44:52
  I have read the Bible through easily 50 times, probably more than a hundred times.
• 44:58
  And I have consistently come across a passage in Ezekiel chapter 47, verse 12, and another that echoes a very similar message in Revelation 22, verse 2.
• 45:12
  And if you piece them together, you see a future city, which some people call heaven or eternity.
• 45:20
  And you see a sanctuary with water flowing from it that forms a river.
• 45:24
  And on the sides of the river are trees, fruit trees.
• 45:29
  In Revelation, it says it's the tree of life, which is what gave Adam and Eve eternal life when they would consume it.
• 45:37
  God removed them from the garden and from the tree because of sin.
• 45:41
  And we've been spending arguably our entire life trying to get back to that garden, that tree of life.
• 45:48
  So in Ezekiel and Revelation, the verses say some version of the fruit will be for food, which we all have no problem eating fruit, love fruit, and the leaves are for healing or the healing of the nations.
• 46:03
  Sherry, I had God speak to me out of Ezekiel 47, 12, as close to audible as one could speak in April of 2019, seven-ish years ago.
• 46:21
  And I knew I would never be the same.
• 46:23
  I realized as a farmer and as a, I'll say health and wellness educator, that these leaves of fruit trees could be the answer to healing from most of the conditions we battle.
• 46:41
  And what's crazy is the trillions of people that have read the Bible throughout history, have seemingly like me missed this fact.
• 46:49
  Now we consume green tea and black tea and white tea.
• 46:52
  We consume peppermint and all kinds of herbs and spices.
• 46:56
  But there's only two things in scripture that God says are healing, medicine or therapy, and those are fruit tree leaves.
• 47:05
  Sherry, in the ancient Hebrew, the word is terufa.
• 47:10
  The leaves are for healing, terufa, which Rafa is the root word for healer, God the healer, and terufa is the modern-day therapy in Hebrew.
• 47:24
  Then fast forward to the Greek in Revelation, where the Bible says the leaves are for the healing of the nations.
• 47:31
  The Greek word is therapea, again, medicine, healing therapy.
• 47:37
  And I felt like this was a physical recommendation by God.
• 47:44
  And I started in 2019 making a tea out of fruit tree leaves.
• 47:51
  And what's great about this, Sherry, is that these aren't only apples, oranges, and grapes.
• 47:57
  These extend to trees, bushes and shrubs, and nuts and fruit that we wouldn't even consider a part of our normal diet.
• 48:10
  In fact, if it's spring where you are getting to be in the summer, you could go into almost any forest or botanical garden or even your backyard and find fruit trees or leaves from oak or walnut or muscadine or mulberry.
• 48:29
  My grandparents had mulberry bushes in New York in their backyard.
• 48:32
  We have oak trees.
• 48:34
  And someone might say, Jordan, oak trees, these leaves fall on the ground and we rake them up and throw them in the trash.
• 48:40
  Yes, you do.
• 48:41
  But many of us during the COVID period were buying quercetin, which is a supplement.
• 48:47
  It's a flavonoid that's great for your immune system, anti-allergy.
• 48:52
  Sherry quercetin was discovered from oak tree leaves.
• 48:56
  Oak is from the genus Quercus.
• 48:59
  So a white oak is called Quercus Alba.
• 49:00
  Is called Quercus Alba.
• 49:02
  All of these trees are hidden in plain sight.
• 49:02
  All of these trees are hidden in plain sight.
• 49:06
  Their abundant leaves are free.
• 49:06
  Their abundant leaves are free.
• 49:09
  In fact, if you trim a tree, it usually grows better.
• 49:09
  In fact, if you trim a tree, it usually grows better.
• 49:12
  They capture the power of the sun.
• 49:12
  They capture the power of the sun.
• 49:14
  They're loaded with antioxidants.
• 49:14
  They're loaded with antioxidants.
• 49:16
  And here's what I love about God's healing message called healing leaves.
• 49:16
  And here's what I love about God's healing message called Healing Leaves.
• 49:21
  The nations that are first and second world that are the poorest on the planet have the greatest access to fruit tree leaves because they don't have all the
• 49:21
  The nations that are first and second world that are the poorest on the planet have the greatest access to fruit tree leaves because they don't have all the industry.
• 49:30
  We didn't cut down all the trees in Africa and India and other remote regions of the planet.
• 49:37
  If people would just take the Bible at its word, and instead of following the latest health fad, use something that God calls healing, I believe you will see anti-inflammatory results, immune boosting results.
• 49:53
  You'll see lower blood sugar or more stabilized blood sugar, and these fruit tree leaves contain compounds that are antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, and antiparasitic.
• 50:07
  In fact, Sherry, we have goats and sheep, water buffalo, cows, all kinds of animals.
• 50:11
  And instead of deworming them with medicine, we use fruit tree leaves as natural dewormers.
• 50:18
  They contain similar compounds and benefit that you would find in ivermectin, fenbendazol, mabendazole.
• 50:25
  This is God's plan for us.
• 50:27
  So I've been consuming fruit tree leaf tea for seven years, including one quart or liter this morning.
• 50:34
  I've recommended it to about 50 people.
• 50:36
  And I first talked about it in the biblio diet.
• 50:40
  Anyone can do it.
• 50:41
  And uh, in fact, where we most recently saw each other at that health event in North Carolina, that was the first time I actually shared a ready-made healing leaves product with, I'll say the world, but it was with the kind, wonderful people in Tryon, North Carolina.
• 50:58
  So I have been uh passionate about this.
• 51:01
  I will uh when my life is over, I believe I will look back and say that one of the greatest things that God has done through me is illuminate these two verses.
• 51:12
  And if I could get people, instead of consuming black tea, green tea to consume fruit tree leaf tea, they will be doing something directly based on God's word.
• 51:24
  And what could be better than that?
• 51:26
  Wow, that's fabulous, Jordan.
• 51:29
  That's absolutely fabulous.
• 51:31
  Um, you know, we've just got a couple of minutes left in our in our time here together today, but just excuse me, there's two questions I want to ask you.
• 51:39
  The first one is where do people get this marvelous tea that they're gonna they're gonna hear you that they've heard you talk about this fruit leaf tree, fruit leaf tea.
• 51:48
  That's kind of a tongue twister.
• 51:50
  First, where can they get that?
• 51:51
  And and then I'll ask you the follow-up question as we close out today.
• 51:54
  Well, let me give two uh destinations.
• 51:57
  So, number one, if you're listening and you want to learn about healing leaves and the recipe, because really I want to give it to the world, you can go to JordanRubin.com and download chapter 14 of the Biblio Diet for free.
• 52:12
  You can send it to anyone you want to.
• 52:14
  It'll tell you about healing leaves and give you the recipe.
• 52:17
  If you want to purchase healing leaves, because after hearing God's voice, I planted with my team nearly one million fruit trees in 2019, 2020, and 2021.
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  And now they are producing leaves and fruit.
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  So we have combined 12 regenerative organic certified fruit tree leaves into a loose leaf tea or tea bags, and you can check that out at healingleaves.com.
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  Wow.
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  That's that just gave me goosebumps.
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  That's just fabulous.
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  That's just so cool.
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  I hope we'll put those that also down in the show notes and make sure that everybody does that because this is this is your gift to the world.
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  I mean, it's God's gift through you to the world amazing.
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  And one last thing, just as we have a couple of minutes left here, you know, there are thousands, literally, thousands of different diet books out on the on the market.
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  Why should people take this one seriously and buy this one and incorporate that into their lifestyle?
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  Well, we do believe that the bibliodiet can help you master metabolism.
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  It can help you reduce pain, it can help you fight depression, it can help you live longer and even conquer cancer with the healing secrets from the Bible.
• 53:31
  And I believe, Dr.
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  Tenpany, it's a diet for life.
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  And if somebody believes that God created us, I think it's imperative that they understand what He created for us to eat and live a long abundant life like our biblical heroes, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, and so many others who live long abundant lives with the same body that we have.
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  So I think this is a plan that can be generational.
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  You're gonna love what you eat.
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  Remember, you can eat red meat.
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  In fact, I highly recommend it.
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  You can eat salt, fat, dairy, and bread.
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  I'll tell you the best kinds you can eat.
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  And I think you're gonna see a great improvement, not only by eating what God created, but by honoring him and saying, God, I believe what you said, not what the latest and greatest health influencer said, not what the uh diet that's named after a doctor said, but this is a plan straight out of the pages of scripture.
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  And if that's what you're interested in, then this is the book for you.
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  Amen to that.
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  Woohoo.
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  Amen to that.
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  I just want to stand up and shout, amen to that, because it's so true.
• 54:50
  And your walk with the Lord is just so inspiring, also, Jordan.
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  And just it just radiates through you.
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  And that's what we are intended to do.
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  We're supposed to make disciples and share the word of God and you do it through your work and through uh the processes that you do and on all of the books that you've done.
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  And it's just been such a pleasure to spend this time with you here today.
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  And I'm I'm right behind you on saying that this book, The Biblial Diet is really, really a good book.
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  It's easy to read, it's easy to incorporate and uh and really make it into a lifestyle and not just uh uh a white knuckle grip till uh maybe I can do this for 30 days, sort of feeling.
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  So thank you again so incredibly much for all of your work.
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  Thank you for being an instrument for the glory's work and not being afraid to talk about it.
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  It's just amazing.
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  And uh, Dr.
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  Tempany, I need to say this.
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  I appreciate what you have been doing for so many years now.
• 55:41
  We've met a few times at different conferences, and you are taking bullets and fighting battles that will benefit us for future generations, and it does not go unnoticed and unappreciated.
• 55:53
  So I want to thank you not only for hosting me, but for being somebody who has shared the truth under great scrutiny, pressure, threats, and fire.
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  Great scrutiny, pressure, threats, and fire.
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  And I believe and I decree that God will bless you abundantly, restore what the locusts have eaten, and uh give you the opportunity to see the fruits of your labor uh come to pass in health transformation.
• 56:03
  And I believe and I decree that God will bless you abundantly, restore what the locusts have eaten, and uh give you the opportunity to see the fruits of your labor uh come to pass in health transformation.
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  So uh again, uh on behalf of myself and so many others, thank you for being there fighting a battle for us.
• 56:17
  So uh again, uh on behalf of myself and so many others, thank you for being there fighting a battle for us.
• 56:24
  Well, what else can you say after that, Jordan?
• 56:24
  Well, what else can you say after that, Jordan?
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  Thank you so much.
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  Thank you so much.
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  And I appreciate that praise.
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  And I appreciate that prayer.
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  Thank you so much.
• 56:31
  So, for everybody that's been listening for here today, I hope you enjoyed this.
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  Watch it, share it, spread all this information around.
• 56:37
  And I'll close with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
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  I close all my podcasts with, whether they are live or pre recorded, which is Romans 12, 12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, and be persistent in prayer.
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  Lean into God, trust Him for everything.
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  He won't let you down.
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  We'll see you again here tomorrow at 3 p.m.
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  Eastern time, Monday through Friday or the next time on the 10 Penny Files.
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  Have a great rest of your day, everybody.
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  Goodbye and God bless you.