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- 0:38Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
- 0:44I remain as always your 100% impartial,
- 0:48completely unbiased and ~ distracted host Old
- 0:53Man Shouting at Clouds. Joining me this week,
- 0:56as usual, is MJ looking very
- 0:59Very colorful and summary
- 1:00Yeah.
- 1:01showing out that you you clean up real nice.
- 1:04It's still summer, everyone. you
- 1:06know, it's my favorite time of year for two reasons.
- 1:09First, CFL and MLB playoffs are heating up,
- 1:12and two, there's Taylor Swift sightings at NFL games again.
- 1:16Yes. That's true. And and I'm sure we're gonna hear about everyone there is.
- 1:23Over and over. Okay.
- 1:24Yes. Yes. The
- 1:26the thirty seconds they show her is a seemingly a massive deal.
- 1:31Yes.
- 1:32Yes. Well I said distracted and I'll say I apologize in advance
- 1:37if there's any banging, clattering,
- 1:39anything like that going on. Back behind this wall here we are have them replacing
- 1:45the the furnace and air conditioning.
- 1:47So they're working on that,
- 1:50trying to get it done before they they finish off for the day and that we
- 1:53may or may not get some noise out of that.
- 1:57And then the the other thing I wanted to ask is so how did you do with
- 2:01the quadruple header?
- 2:04So I hosted a tailgate party and then I went to a game and then there
- 2:10was 30,000 people at the game and took me quite a while to get home from
- 2:15my that game so I saw a little bit of the red blacks and Argos and I
- 2:20saw the second half of the Allo WhatsBC game.
- 2:25So that that's too much. There's too much football one day.
- 2:28I know I can't believe I'm saying that,
- 2:30but it's just it's too much for
- 2:31For me personally. I need to have it spread out a little.
- 2:32Yes. I
- 2:35Yeah, they some people on T SN panel were saying,
- 2:38this is great, we have to do this every year.
- 2:40I don't know. It it was okay, but I was pretty punch drunk by the time it was over.
- 2:45I sat through all four of them.
- 2:46Mind you, I also had a few of the Mott Caesars.
- 2:50Feel free
- 2:50Well
- 2:51to sponsor us if you want Mots,
- 2:52but I had a couple of those during the Saskatchewan game just to stay calm and
- 2:57Well, the BC Montreal
- 2:59game was like the length of two football games,
- 3:01so that the they just
- 3:02~ yeah.
- 3:02that that day was never ending.
- 3:05Yeah.
- 3:06Funnily enough, that's what I that's what I thought maybe the title
- 3:09to this episode should be The Neverending Football Game.
- 3:12We'll see what else we come up with.
- 3:14Couple other comments on it just in j in general generic type stuff.
- 3:19I was really happy to see it wasn't sponsored by a betting company.
- 3:22Good to see we're going back to Canadian wholesome routes and having
- 3:27a whiskey company do the sponsorship.
- 3:29And
- 3:30Then the other part of it was man did TSN have to work hard to get that staffed.
- 3:36they only had two people on the panel for the first two games.
- 3:40And then Lapo, who did the play by play in the Toronto game,
- 3:45managed to get back to the panel and sit in for the last two.
- 3:48But yeah, they had Marshall and Lapo doing Toronto,
- 3:51they had Dustin and Luke doing Winnipeg,
- 3:54Farhan and Duane doing Edmonton,
- 3:56and Rod and Suits doing
- 3:59B C. So I don't think they had anybody else available.
- 4:00Okay. It was
- 4:03Farhan because I was watching some highlights and I was like,
- 4:05I don't recognize this voice. Who did they end
- 4:05Yeah. Yeah.
- 4:07up having? Like I knew they had to pull someone in,
- 4:09but I I should have known it was Farhan.
- 4:10Yeah,
- 4:11he's the ~ he's the emergency ~ play by play guy that gets called
- 4:13Emergency backup.
- 4:16in when they really need them.
- 4:17But yeah, they they they had pretty much run out everybody that they had.
- 4:21Although Davis Sanchez wasn't there.
- 4:23I didn't know what he was doing unless he was off with B C because apparently
- 4:25he got inducted in the B C Hall Football Hall of Fame.
- 4:28So I don't know if that's coming up or whatever.
- 4:31I just saw a quick headline on it.
- 4:32But yeah. So fun weekend. We've got
- 4:36Lots to talk about with the games.
- 4:38We got a few news items. You were just mentioned to me you hadn't seen this.
- 4:43I wanted to talk about the fact that Dinwiddie's not taking losing well.
- 4:48He ~ He came out and complained about the fact that late in that game there
- 4:54was a fairly I thought very legitimate offensive pass interference call when
- 5:00a receiver ran right over a and
- 5:03cost them a chance to get a touchdown,
- 5:04they a kicked a field goal, but couldn't get the lead with it.
- 5:08And he came out saying, That's a homer call.
- 5:11That's terrible. That's ridiculous.
- 5:13first of all, what do you think of that?
- 5:15Quick reaction.
- 5:17Well, I didn't actually see the play,
- 5:18so I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment.
- 5:20Okay. Well,
- 5:21even if it was, say, a legitimate call,
- 5:25how do you feel about ~ a CFL coach accusing the officials of making homer calls?
- 5:32Well is this the same press conference where he yelled about McLeod Bethel
- 5:36and threw him under the bus too?
- 5:37I think
- 5:38Yes.
- 5:38that's just a that the house is on fire over there and Ryan the I don't know
- 5:43why anyone's surprised what Ryan says anymore.
- 5:46Because he loves to say things and
- 5:50Yeah.
- 5:50then with no follow through. ~ he po I'm he might probably get fined by the league,
- 5:55I assume. I I other leagues you get fined for criticizing officials,
- 5:58so I assume that's what's going but maybe he just
- 6:01Well that could be and and that was my reaction I sure as heck hope
- 6:05he gets a discipline out of this.
- 6:06'Cause what they fined people for on other things,
- 6:09when you're calling the integrity of officials into question and you're
- 6:15the head coach, to me that's just unacceptable.
- 6:18He's not the only one though.
- 6:20No, he's not the only one, but that was to me that was blatant.
- 6:24I mean there's one step between
- 6:28going, Well, I thought that was a bad call and saying calling it a homer call.
- 6:33Called because it was for the home team.
- 6:35Yeah, they almost won that game.
- 6:36That's not a good look.
- 6:38They almost won that game, so that's probably just the a reaction to that,
- 6:42because they were they were so close.
- 6:45Yeah, but they weren't either.
- 6:46I mean they were close to winning,
- 6:47but they had no reason to win that.
- 6:49That was a game that it was just a matter of whoever was the least inept
- 6:53was gonna win that sucker. I mean we'll talk about that in the game,
- 6:56but yeah. Anyway.
- 6:58It's not the worst
- 6:59thing Ryan has said in the news.
- 7:01No,
- 7:01it is not. I'll give you that.
- 7:02Well, maybe it is though, because it's I mean,
- 7:05it's not classy to call out your players.
- 7:08It's not classy to complain about a bunch of other stuff.
- 7:11But when you start questioning the integrity of league officials and again,
- 7:16bad enough for a player, but to me from a head coach,
- 7:19that is just that doesn't stand.
- 7:22You you can't let that happen.
- 7:25Maybe I'm too strong of an opinion on it.
- 7:26But anyway, let's go on to some other stuff.
- 7:28~ not necessarily happy stuff.
- 7:30We did see a couple of unfortunately a couple of ~ injuries on the weekend.
- 7:35Deadman in that ~ Montreal BC game was badly injured on a return and had
- 7:41to leave on a cart, so he's probably done for the game.
- 7:44And Zach threw an interception that got a good return by Saskatchewan and
- 7:50They're saying he got injured attempting the tackle.
- 7:52He didn't. He ran over close to where the tackle was going to happen
- 7:56on the sidelines and and kind of hovered there and ended up getting tripped back
- 8:00a little bit backwards and that was enough to take him out of the game.
- 8:03So you know, not minimizing that he was hurt,
- 8:06but it wasn't like he went.
- 8:06Should not have even
- 8:07been over the you pretend to jog that way.
- 8:10You don't run that way, Zach. Come on.
- 8:11Yeah. Yeah, you don't get that close to it at all.
- 8:13You just pretend
- 8:14No, and but I I just
- 8:16make it look like you're gonna help out,
- 8:18but you don't.
- 8:19And that's
- 8:19what he was trying to do, but he got a little too close to the action.
- 8:22~
- 8:22So that's why I get a little bit heated when I hear people say,
- 8:25Well he got injured making the tackle.
- 8:27No, he did not. He got injured 'cause he didn't stay quite far enough away.
- 8:31But anyway, hopefully he'll
- 8:32Yeah.
- 8:33be back after the bye. Dedmon I'm thinking is from what they showed,
- 8:36~ well when I s watched
- 8:37he's
- 8:38that, I for sure his knee blew out apart into a million pieces.
- 8:41Yeah. Yeah, hyper extended.
- 8:41And then I thought that was
- 8:43the worst of it, and then all of a sudden they're stabilizing his neck.
- 8:47And I'm like, I didn't even see the neck part 'cause I was
- 8:49too horrified watching his knee like bend
- 8:52Yeah.
- 8:52backwards and then land on that knee.
- 8:54I was like, ~ no. no.
- 8:56I think
- 8:56And then
- 8:57Mills and Rankin both got injured in the that Elks
- 9:01you were live
- 9:01was it obvious when Mills got hurt?
- 9:03'Cause they on the T V there was nothing pointing it out.
- 9:05I I was
- 9:06It ju they just you suddenly noticed he wasn't back in the game and
- 9:09I was sitting in the end zone where the Calgary Stampeders go into their locker room
- 9:14and all of a sudden I'm watching the game and I see Mills walking by into
- 9:19the locker room in the middle of the game but I didn't actually see how
- 9:22he got hurt or when he would have even got hurt.
- 9:24I just saw him walking across into the locker room and I was like,
- 9:28that's not good.
- 9:29that's
- 9:29what I saw on the television too,
- 9:30is it looked to me like he wasn't treated on the field Whatever happened,
- 9:34he got up and ran off. And then Rankin was treated,
- 9:38but it didn't look like that bad,
- 9:39then he was gone.
- 9:41Well, I watched Rourke also run off in that exact same spot where he jogged
- 9:45off and then just never right,
- 9:47so who knows? Tough week,
- 9:48Yeah. Yeah. So it yeah, was a we weird
- 9:50tough week.
- 9:51I th well see later in my notes,
- 9:53but I think they both did not participate,
- 9:55but neither of them seemed like they were really serious injuries,
- 9:58whereas the the Dedmon one one was obviously
- 10:01well that
- 10:01was very obvious. Yeah.
- 10:03Very bad.
- 10:04So that's unfortunate and hopefully he'll be able to come back
- 10:07and play another year. They also had we had and ~ you mentioned that
- 10:12you wanted to talk about this a little bit.
- 10:14Montreal went into their bat back way back in their way back machine
- 10:18and pulled a bag talk old man,
- 10:20pulled a trick out of their bag of tricks from two or three years ago.
- 10:24Yeah, I just want this is this is in defense of the onsite punt.
- 10:28This doesn't happen very often.
- 10:30Actually, someone put together some stats for us,
- 10:32and in the last there's only been since 2014,
- 10:35it's only been attempted seven times.
- 10:37One by BC in 2014, one by Ottawa in 2017,
- 10:41and between 2023 and 2026, Montreal's done it five times.
- 10:45~ this is actually everyone's like,
- 10:47this is like a a stupid Mickey Mouse thing.
- 10:50I'm like, this is actually an extremely difficult rule,
- 10:53like a trick like play to pull off.
- 10:56It's dangerous. It has a huge payoff,
- 10:59but it is very risky. and then,
- 11:01you know
- 11:02the Vancouver, all the Vancouver news outlets are like,
- 11:05we all we this rule needs to go.
- 11:07And then everyone's talking about how the next year they they'll probably
- 11:10get rid of this rule. And I don't want this rule to leave.
- 11:14Don't be salty because your team doesn't practice it and your coaches can't figure
- 11:18it out.
- 11:19Don't don't be mad about it. You go figure it out.
- 11:22Montreal has Jason Maas has figured this rule out,
- 11:25and it doesn't happen very often because again,
- 11:27the there's a high risk in it.
- 11:29But when it works out, it's magic.
- 11:31And these are the exact rules that make me love this game.
- 11:36Yes. Yes. Yeah.
- 11:38I
- 11:39love this rule. I love, but I love rouges.
- 11:42I love quirky little random things.
- 11:44If you start getting rid of all of these and making it generic,
- 11:48I mean, everyone loves a trick play.
- 11:51They are fun and exciting. This was very fun and exciting and it caused
- 11:56a lot of drama and everyone's talking about it.
- 11:58That's exactly what the CFL wants and needs.
- 12:01And so you're gonna probably take it away.
- 12:04You're taking away goalposts, you're taking away Rouges,
- 12:07you're taking away other things.
- 12:08And y if you make it so it's the exact same,
- 12:12almost the exact same rules as some other league that we shall name,
- 12:16what's what what
- 12:17makes me watch CFL over that league when they are basically doing the same thing.
- 12:22I love this and I'm if it leaves I'll be so sad.
- 12:27Yes.
- 12:28Good good radio depends on descent.
- 12:32We're supposed to argue about everything,
- 12:34but I can't argue with you on this one.
- 12:35knowing the obscure rules, knowing the rule book as well as Jason Moss does,
- 12:40is an advantage and shouldn't be taken away just because other people don't do it.
- 12:44And frankly, that is such a brilliant play,
- 12:48not just because it gets you the first down,
- 12:51that you know the rules, you can pull it out and use it when it works.
- 12:54But it also means that next time you're in a second and long,
- 12:58they can't just drop back ten,
- 13:00fifteen yards. If they want to defend that,
- 13:02they have to defend the whole field,
- 13:04and that gives you an advantage on a deep pass.
- 13:07So no, don't get rid of it. I mean,
- 13:10teams can choose to use it or not.
- 13:13The fact that they don't choose to use it does not make it Mickey Mouse.
- 13:16It is a brilliant understanding of the rule book.
- 13:19Reward the people that
- 13:20Yeah, there's eight other coaches
- 13:22that could be doing this and they are not.
- 13:23Yeah.
- 13:24Certainly could. Yeah, reward the people that know how to make the game exciting.
- 13:28Don't dumb it down to I didn't like that 'cause we weren't ready for it.
- 13:32You know, it's
- 13:35your defensive coach also knows the rule book,
- 13:37so they should be ready for it.
- 13:37Yeah, exactly. That's the thing,
- 13:38And you
- 13:39isn't it?
- 13:39know Montreal likes to pull it out.
- 13:41They haven't done it for two years.
- 13:42So just wait in the back pocket.
- 13:43Mm-hmm. It's just sitting there in that back pocket for when they need it.
- 13:46Going in towards the playoffs,
- 13:48it gives
- 13:48everybody else one more thing.
- 13:50It gives them an advantage in every game going forward now.
- 13:53Cause every defense has to be ready for it.
- 13:55it's ~ unique little rules that have been around this league since
- 13:58it started before the league started in nineteen forty nine,
- 14:02around Canadian football. Don't lose them.
- 14:05Celebrate them. Sorry. Sorry folks,
- 14:08we can't argue over this one for
- 14:11Anything else on that other than to say good job,
- 14:14Yeah, just like
- 14:14Jason?
- 14:15yeah, don't good job Jason and like the rest of you,
- 14:17don't be salty.
- 14:18the thing is it was also executed so well that the rest
- 14:22Yeah.
- 14:22didn't even know what was going on.
- 14:24No, Jason had to use a challenge for that and I felt bad.
- 14:26Yeah. Which is
- 14:27I was like, he shouldn't
- 14:28have to. They you refs, you also know the rules.
- 14:31the refs
- 14:31did not perform well in that game.
- 14:34so we can talk about it, just know that at the start of the season,
- 14:37they're like, we need to put the top two reffing crews on the Banjo Bowl
- 14:41and that Calgary Emmonton game,
- 14:43because those are gonna be the two hardest ones.
- 14:46There's gonna be it's gonna be smash mouth,
- 14:47and we're gonna really crack down.
- 14:48Those are where we need to send our best crews.
- 14:50This BC Montreal thing, it'll be fine.
- 14:53And but actually
- 14:53Yeah.
- 14:57Were they did they miscall that,
- 14:59But you just know they were like we'll
- 15:00yeah.
- 15:01just put the the chillest refing crew on there,
- 15:04it'll be fine.
- 15:06I personally, you know, I hate to see it when the official crew doesn't do well.
- 15:10Most we've got some great officiating in this league.
- 15:13And it's unfortunate when it when it slips up some one thing that
- 15:17we missed last week that I forgot about that I absolutely loved I think
- 15:20it was the Sunday game. I think it was the the Labor Day Classic that
- 15:23Ben Major did as the as the head ref and then showed up in was it
- 15:29the Hamilton game as the umpire.
- 15:31'Cause they were short a man, so
- 15:31Yeah, they were short. If only
- 15:33they had NFL refing crews just waiting at games so we can pop them in.
- 15:37Yeah. well. Okay,
- 15:39Good job, Ben.
- 15:40what else can
- 15:41what else can we talk about? Tiger Cats quarterbacks.
- 15:44~ to the surprise of absolutely no one,
- 15:48as you pointed out in our in our email exchange earlier,
- 15:51Bo has been ruled out for the rest of the season.
- 15:54Trey was limited in practice Monday.
- 15:57They listed him as full today.
- 15:58So I hope he's okay. I don't know after that,
- 16:02trust you know what I
- 16:04don't trust that the TyCat's medical staff so
- 16:07~ I don't know that
- 16:08I hope he's gonna be okay. I hope they don't wreck him.
- 16:10Yeah.
- 16:11But anyway, there's ~ there is that.
- 16:13a few other just quick points to run through.
- 16:16~ god. I got another one double I sent you like four copies of
- 16:20the the rundown because I kept getting it wrong,
- 16:23and I realize now looking at it,
- 16:24there's another one that I put on here twice.
- 16:26But anyway, the the Elks clinched their playoff spot.
- 16:30Yes.
- 16:30Not a home
- 16:31game yet, but a playoff spot and
- 16:33Montreal has done the did the same last week and with Montreal
- 16:36it pretty much guarantees them a ho a p home playoff game,
- 16:39but but the Elks have punched the ticket,
- 16:41so two teams are in. The two teams that are sitting with where are they at now?
- 16:46I think is it nine and three records they're at or ten and three?
- 16:49Yeah, they're both at nine they're both I think at nine and three.
- 16:50Yeah.
- 16:53I think we're at thirteen games,
- 16:54so maybe it's ten and three they're at.
- 16:55Yeah, they're ten and three. 'Cause they're the riders are eight and five.
- 17:02And ~ Yeah. I can check that.
- 17:05Well, this is nice
- 17:06because the the Thai the Thai cats,
- 17:09goodness. The Elks haven't clinched a playoff spot since twenty nineteen.
- 17:12And
- 17:13Yes.
- 17:13they are now the first team in the West to do that.
- 17:16So what a turnaround for them.
- 17:17To not just clinch, but like you're the first team in.
- 17:20So yeah, they are ten and three.
- 17:21But yeah, so that's that's a really exciting for the Elks organization.
- 17:24Mark
- 17:25Killum, what a what a this is so fantastic.
- 17:28Yes.
- 17:29I can't say they're playing fantastic football.
- 17:32They're playing very good football,
- 17:33but they're also just refusing to lose.
- 17:36Yeah, so
- 17:36They're doing better than everyone else.
- 17:38it's not like they're winning these games by being perfect,
- 17:41but they're winning them by just refusing to lose.
- 17:44And that's impressive.
- 17:47That's a dangerous playoff team.
- 17:49At the other end of the spectrum in the west we have the Stampeders,
- 17:52and you mentioned you wanted to talk about that a little bit.
- 17:55~ well I just wanted to talk about the amazing race.
- 17:58Miss Calgary Stampeters. well,
- 17:58I thought that sorry, were they with did that you said Amazing Race and Stampeders.
- 18:03I thought they were separate topic.
- 18:03because it's together. They're together.
- 18:04Okay, well,
- 18:07Amazing Race is further down the rundown.
- 18:08Ignore that. Talk about it now.
- 18:11So if you have been watching Amazing Race Canada tonight,
- 18:14well by the time you listen to this tomorrow
- 18:16the finale would have been the day before.
- 18:18It's they're doing the finale for the Amazing Race Canada in Calgary
- 18:22and they're gonna be at the Cavalry Stadium and they're gonna be
- 18:25at Mac McMahon Stadium doing stuff with and I saw a big ad and it said Grey
- 18:29Cup Festival on the Amazing Race ads of the trailers for the new episode.
- 18:34So I thought that was really awesome.
- 18:35Like what a good PR move. I bet you the Calgary Stampeders organized this
- 18:39and not the CFL. So good job Stampers for getting your team on TV
- 18:43Yeah, good work.
- 18:44Maybe I will CPA.
- 18:45I'm hoping I'll see PA. I hope so.
- 18:47Possibly. I Yeah.
- 18:48I don't think
- 18:49so, but you never know.
- 18:51Obviously I haven't been watching the Amazing Race because I didn't realize those
- 18:55were the same topic. But but yeah,
- 18:56it's not the first time. They did do they did a ~ show featuring
- 19:00the riders last year in Regina.
- 19:02So it Okay,
- 19:02Yeah, so they've been to Commonwealth Stadium doing
- 19:05yeah.
- 19:06stuff there and then yeah, they had r ~ not was last year before they
- 19:09had where the ride where they were at Mosaic and you had to catch a pass from Trevor
- 19:14at practice with like a s
- 19:14Mm. Yeah.
- 19:16scheme set up. And they called the play and you had to run the route
- 19:19and catch it before you got your pass.
- 19:20I was like, ~ boy. I don't know if I could catch a pass from Trevor Harris.
- 19:23Yeah. ~ Well,
- 19:24I hope we hopefully he wasn't just like gunning it in there.
- 19:26hopefully he took pity on them and and Yeah,
- 19:30hopefully he
- 19:30had some touch passes going on.
- 19:32Yeah.
- 19:32But
- 19:33yeah. I I love the cross promotion.
- 19:35Love to see the C F L doing this.
- 19:37You know, a lot of people complain in B C when they did had the Kelowna Shore people
- 19:43doing stuff. I thought, you know,
- 19:45not my kind of show, but I love the promotion and it's exactly the audience
- 19:48the C F L needs to promote too,
- 19:50so
- 19:50That was good. Now the amazing race again.
- 19:53Yeah. Keep it up, CFL, or Stampeders
- 19:54Yeah.
- 19:55or whoever's doing it.
- 19:57And if you find if you watch the Amazing Grace finality for me,
- 20:00friends, don't spoil it for me.
- 20:02Don't. I have to watch it tomorrow.
- 20:03Well okay. Well
- 20:06moving on from there, you mentioned that ~ Ryan in his whining threw
- 20:11MBT under the bus, said that he made a couple of mistakes when on
- 20:15and I shouldn't maybe I'll just drop back and say in my opinion that call that
- 20:18he was complaining about was a dead obvious one.
- 20:21It was a pick play, but he didn't
- 20:23even try to run past the D B. He ran straight into the center of him
- 20:27and knocked him off the play. And so yeah.
- 20:30Anyway. But after all after throwing MBT under the bus and saying all
- 20:34the things he did wrong in the game,
- 20:35he announced today he's starting against Calgary this weekend.
- 20:40So I think if they had started MBT they would have beat the Argos.
- 20:44They might well have
- 20:46He 'cause what I saw what I saw,
- 20:48I didn't watch the whole game,
- 20:49Friends. I was very busy. I I have
- 20:50Yeah.
- 20:51I have
- 20:52family and friends and things were going on.
- 20:54But it looked like McLeod was running that offense a little better.
- 20:58And he's a little bit more okay,
- 20:59so this is the thing. Jake's very chill and he doesn't get flustered,
- 21:03but McLeod is the opposite of that.
- 21:06And McLeod's gonna be yelling at people and he's gonna be like hyping people up.
- 21:09And I am actually surprised they didn't put him in earlier.
- 21:13I know everyone wants Barnes to start I get that.
- 21:15I get it. But at this point you are playing for a win.
- 21:19You're not playing to
- 21:20Yeah.
- 21:20get into the playoffs
- 21:21You're not playing for future,
- 21:22you are keeping sponsors and fans happy.
- 21:26And what keeps fans and sponsors happy is winning.
- 21:30So there I don't think he had a choice.
- 21:31I know people are gonna complain about that,
- 21:34but I think you have to start MBT.
- 21:36It's your best option to win going forward.
- 21:39And you know, Mr. Rogers would tell us to look for the helpers in times of crisis,
- 21:43Yeah.
- 21:43and I
- 21:43would contend that MBT is the helper here.
- 21:46I think so. Plus, get that win under your belts.
- 21:50That will make the team feel a little bit better about itself.
- 21:53And then maybe you consider putting Barnes in and see what what he's got.
- 21:57You have a pretty
- 21:58winnable schedule coming up.
- 22:00that first game between them and Geronto was so bad.
- 22:03When we get to the games, you know we don't do play by play and we don't talk about
- 22:07stats and everything. I've got my notes set up because I'm gonna
- 22:10run through the first half just because it's amazing how bad it was.
- 22:14So we'll we'll get to that. Anyway,
- 22:18the other bits of news, not too much else here.
- 22:20The Halifax Wanderers
- 22:23Football, soccer, however you want to say it team has apparently come
- 22:27up with a proposal for a new stadium that they say they want to have built
- 22:31as CFL ready to accommodate a CFL size field and be able to support a CFL team.
- 22:37Problem is it's an eleven thousand ste seat stadium.
- 22:41I don't think as much as the CFL needs to be looking at smaller stadiums
- 22:47and downsizing, you can't go down that much.
- 22:49Why?
- 22:50you need to be able to see at least twenty thousand to to be economical.
- 22:53Why? I don't think you do. I don't think you do.
- 22:53Yeah. maybe okay.
- 22:57what's the minimum fans you need to be able to run a team then?
- 23:00Well, look at there's teams running with fifteen thousand people
- 23:03in the stands constantly, continually.
- 23:03Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- 23:05Look at the Argos. That's about a fifteen
- 23:08thousand The Stampeders are running about
- 23:09Yeah.
- 23:09fifteen thousand. Montreal runs around twenty.
- 23:12so
- 23:13Yeah.
- 23:15What's better having your eleven thousand stadium sold out every game
- 23:19or having a sixty thousand person stadium with nine thousand,
- 23:23ten, under fifteen thousand people sitting in it?
- 23:26I don't think we want any of the big,
- 23:28big stadiums anymore. I don't think eleven thousand that's your maximum.
- 23:33So you're you're starting out with a capacity to to earn two-thirds
- 23:37of the gate revenue of Ottawa and Toronto,
- 23:39which I don't think is feasible.
- 23:41I would say you get up to maybe not even twenty.
- 23:45build an eighteen thousand seat stadium and then if you can start selling it out,
- 23:49you're bringing in a reasonable crowd.
- 23:51But
- 23:53Something that small, it just I don't see it being workable for the CFL.
- 23:57Okay, to counter, I
- 23:57Yeah.
- 23:59have been told my whole life that this is a gate-driven ~ league and
- 24:02now I've been told that that is not true anymore,
- 24:05and that everything is about TV revenue.
- 24:07So why do I need 25,000-30,000 people at a game if I'm getting TV revenue?
- 24:12Quite possibly.
- 24:14Because these teams are floating with not sellout crowds unless you're Saskatchewan
- 24:19and Winnipeg, but I would say though those are pretty ~ th those aren't
- 24:22the norm anymore.
- 24:23Yes, exactly.
- 24:25So maybe you can, maybe the way of the future is a smaller stadium that's more
- 24:30intimate and doesn't feel like a cavern.
- 24:32And you have maybe I mean, soccer's not gonna want to build a 20,000 person stadium,
- 24:38and they're not going to. So they must know something.
- 24:41This is what I'm saying, because I'm like,
- 24:43they must know something, because they wouldn't have put CFL Stadium
- 24:46in there unless they knew something and had been talking.
- 24:49That wouldn't just be a random thing that they would put in a headline note.
- 24:54That's why I was.
- 24:55like interesting that they have exactly that capacity and CFL Stadium
- 25:00in their headline notes and I'm just wondering why if they hadn't been speaking
- 25:05to people behind the scenes.
- 25:07Yeah.
- 25:08Well possibly. there is not a right or wrong to this no it's an opinion,
- 25:13but look at us doing good radio.
- 25:15Conflicting with each other, disagreeing,
- 25:18hey
- 25:18I hate
- 25:20going to 30,000 people events.
- 25:21I don't like it. I would
- 25:23Yeah.
- 25:23much rather go to a 15, 10, 15,000 person event.
- 25:27That I have more fun. I have more fun.
- 25:30I I think intimate venues are gonna be the way of the future.
- 25:34I think I think we should be looking at in the range of the twenty
- 25:38to thirty thousand seat stadiums,
- 25:40but I could be wrong too. So we'll see.
- 25:43another Yeah. Yeah,
- 25:43I won't hold my breath on this because I've heard this before.
- 25:46this could
- 25:47yes, this could be the the wanderers looking for some public money
- 25:50and trying to find a way to say,
- 25:52they said they were fully funding it themselves.
- 25:52well, and it's not just us we can support a C F L team.
- 25:55I thought they said that they were gonna fund it themselves and they weren't taking
- 25:58did they? I I
- 25:59public money.
- 26:00if that art was in the article I missed it.
- 26:02~ when I saw the headline said propose it,
- 26:04I assumed that they meant they were going for something else.
- 26:06Yeah, construction
- 26:06It is on the land they own.
- 26:08Yeah, construction funded privately by the Halifax Wanders,
- 26:11artificial turf field for year round reuse,
- 26:13size for soccer and Canadian football,
- 26:15commitment to five thousand hours of field time for community organizations,
- 26:18hidden parking garage for the hospital,
- 26:21permanent roof over all seats and permanent stage for hosting concerts.
- 26:24So Yeah.
- 26:25Not bad, maybe. And hey.
- 26:28Maybe we will end up with a CFL team in Kelowna then,
- 26:31'cause we could build a ten thousand seat stadium or convert the Apple Bowl into
- 26:36a ten thousand seat stadium quite easily here.
- 26:37You're never gonna
- 26:38scale building thirty to fifty thousand
- 26:41the Apple Bowl, which is our local field where the the touchdown Kelowna
- 26:44was was handled, ~ holds about two thousand people and part of
- 26:49the upgrades that they've already said they're or at least proposed they're gonna
- 26:52do is adding another five thousand to that seating.
- 26:55So that would take it up to seven.
- 26:56If it starts to look like a CFL team is coming in and you figure you can
- 27:00do it with ten to twelve thousand,
- 27:03that's not that much more construction.
- 27:05Who knows?
- 27:07They might be able to like
- 27:07Pipe dreams.
- 27:09put in temporary I mean they might be able to expand it for certain things.
- 27:12That's another reason.
- 27:12Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well they expanded
- 27:14it nicely temporarily for the for the touchdown Kelowna,
- 27:18but yeah.
- 27:18I mean they did
- 27:19yeah. There's ways to do it,
- 27:21maybe it'd be like baseball where you can just pay to sit on the grass
- 27:24Yeah. They've they've they've been doing that in
- 27:24up on the berm.
- 27:25they used to do that in Taylor Field.
- 27:27I don't know if they do it i in Mosaic,
- 27:29but Taylor Field, the Labor Day,
- 27:30the end zones used to be completely or the grass behind the
- 27:33end zones completely packed with people.
- 27:34So yeah, who knows? And it certainly maybe it starts opening up the idea that,
- 27:39you know, Quebec City isn't quite so hard to do and some of those southern Ontario
- 27:43teams they or towns they talk about,
- 27:45cities like London and whatnot.
- 27:47Could be.
- 27:49Could be
- 27:50It would certainly also justify Victoria.
- 27:52I'm sure you could get that number of fans out in Victoria.
- 27:55We'll see. Speaking of of
- 27:58We'll see. Maybe Saskatchewan
- 27:59will get two teams one day.
- 28:02Yeah,
- 28:02s went up in Saskatoon. That would be interesting.
- 28:05Yeah.
- 28:05I'll tell you you go down to the junior level and the rivalry between
- 28:10the ~ the Thunder and ~ the Hilltops is intense.
- 28:15So yes.
- 28:17Speaking of attendance, not a bad week.
- 28:19They averaged twenty four thousand and actually just shy of twenty five thousand,
- 28:25which was pretty good. Winnipeg sold out,
- 28:27at
- 28:28Over thirty two. Edmonton was close with thirty one five,
- 28:32so if you don't like thirty thousand crowds,
- 28:35that must have been a tough weekend for ya.
- 28:37'Cause it looked like they were
- 28:38It was
- 28:38very busy and they sold out of everything.
- 28:42Except for candy.
- 28:43Yes. I believe that. Yes.
- 28:46So great.
- 28:48BC was down from their last game.
- 28:51They had twenty three, which is not bad,
- 28:52but they definitely had more when I think the last game was Saskatchewan,
- 28:56which would make sense. And Toronto had their lowest crowd of the season so far.
- 29:01At twelve and change. So there you go.
- 29:03Not much more than the eleven,
- 29:05yep.
- 29:07But yeah, they averaged just shy of twenty-five,
- 29:09which was about the middle of the pack for this season.
- 29:12We also saw a cup couple of well,
- 29:16sort of player transactions. One player transaction,
- 29:18~ Nick Constantinum was my I remember is that how you pronounce it?
- 29:23Constantino? Anyway, the punter is back with Hamilton now.
- 29:26So that probably makes you happy.
- 29:28This is exciting. What little glimmer of
- 29:29Yeah.
- 29:31light, even though it's a dark days.
- 29:33Building for next year.
- 29:34I hope he
- 29:35stays, because he is very good at his job.
- 29:38Yeah. Yeah. Well if he's coming back now,
- 29:40I think there's probably a chance he's there for at least a year or two.
- 29:43And then the ~ the other one was we haven't heard officially about
- 29:47any of the injuries that happened on the weekend,
- 29:49but before the weekend ~ Kyrie Wilson,
- 29:51it the the linebacker from Calgary got put on the sixth game list.
- 29:55So that's not going to help.
- 29:56Yeah, I think he had surgery
- 29:58actually this week, so I think he had surgery based on Instagram.
- 30:00Sorry, which was that? did he?
- 30:03Okay, yeah. Yeah,
- 30:04so he's he'll pro I'm well, six game list,
- 30:07unless they somehow make the playoffs,
- 30:09he won't be back this season 'cause there's five games left.
- 30:11I'm assuming Brissett
- 30:13will be on that 'cause it looked like he broke his arm
- 30:16not on the list yet, but marked does did not participate this week.
- 30:19yeah,
- 30:19I bet. That did not look good.
- 30:21Okay, so shall we talk about the games?
- 30:24Alright. Like I said, I'm taking a slightly different approach to this
- 30:29one just because about two-thirds of the way through the second quarter I
- 30:35had in my notes This is really painful to watch.
- 30:39It was just what an a completely inept start to the game by both teams.
- 30:44It started out
- 30:46Toronto kicks off, Ottawa lets it bounce past the returner,
- 30:51gets into the end zone and gives them a rouge.
- 30:54So they start the scoring which with a kickoff rouge,
- 30:58which is really rare.
- 30:59Ottawa gets the ball at the 40.
- 31:01I think they got one first down.
- 31:03They get it down to like about the 50.
- 31:05Just outside of field goal range.
- 31:08Toronto stopped them. Good. So they punt and pin Toronto down at
- 31:13the eight yard line. Except Toronto's got too many men on the field.
- 31:16So now they get the ball inside the Toronto 50.
- 31:20I think it was down to like about the 43 in field goal range.
- 31:23Great.
- 31:24They give up a sack to take them out of field goal range.
- 31:26They punt, and Toronto takes over at the twenty three.
- 31:30So I also said in my notes an interesting coaching strategy to gain some more yard
- 31:35some more distance out of your end zone,
- 31:37And when they I also said they had a shot after that.
- 31:41Too many men that they had Mickey Donovan on the sideline doing his very best Dennis
- 31:45McKnight impersonation. He was a steaming special teams coach.
- 31:50But anyway, so there's that. So then Toronto they go basically Toronto gets
- 31:55the ball back, marches it fair reasonably well.
- 31:57Kelly gets intercepted. Ottawa goes two and out.
- 32:01They punt. Toronto gets the ball back,
- 32:06punts it through the end zone.
- 32:07Because they can't move anywhere.
- 32:09Ottawa goes two and out. Kelly gets a beautiful long pass to David Ungerer,
- 32:14about an eighty five yarder. And then throws an interception in the end zone.
- 32:19The Ottawa DB, instead of taking a knee in the end zone,
- 32:22decides to run it out, gets it to the two-yard line.
- 32:24You know? It's just ineptitude after ineptitude.
- 32:30They punt. Grant returns the punt down to the Ottawa 30.
- 32:34Fantastic. no, there's a penalty.
- 32:35We're back at the 45. Toronto gets it into field goal range then.
- 32:40Six minutes and fifty-two seconds to go in the second.
- 32:44Quarter, there's finally an actual scoring play.
- 32:47Ottawa puts MBT in, marches the field for a touchdown,
- 32:52but has to go on short yardage twice,
- 32:54including not all third and ones,
- 32:56to get it done. And then after that,
- 33:00Toronto that there's like a minute left.
- 33:01Toronto gets a good return, marches the ball right down to the Ottawa 10.
- 33:06Kelly gets sacked and they kick a field goal.
- 33:08So at that point, it was, I think.
- 33:117-6 for Ottawa. But it was just everything they could possibly do to not win a game,
- 33:18both teams were doing. Kelly threw his nineteenth and twentieth interception
- 33:24of the season. That's a modern CFL record.
- 33:26Apparently Jonathan Jennings in twenty seventeen through nineteen.
- 33:30And
- 33:31Way back in, what did they say?
- 33:33Fifty-four. The Argo's Tom Debrowski threw thirty-four.
- 33:36So I don't think Kelly will get that in the last six games.
- 33:38But just yeah.
- 33:41Can you imagine if Scott was his coach?
- 33:42That's all I can think about.
- 33:43Yeah.
- 33:46That's all I can
- 33:47think about is that if Scott was coaching Kelly,
- 33:49how ~ fast he'd be sat down and
- 33:52Yeah.
- 33:52our buckle would be playing.
- 33:54Yes. Exactly. And then the second half got better,
- 33:59but not a lot better. Toronto kicked a convert wide.
- 34:02Pimpleton returns a ball all the way down to the Toronto twenty when they
- 34:09need a big play. And they can't advance it from there and have to get a field goal.
- 34:13They take that offensive pass interference once they've got a a touchdown on it.
- 34:18Chad does his very best to throw another interception and
- 34:23is only foiled by the fact he gets a D B that can't catch.
- 34:25There was a punch shanked out of bounds to make a short field for Ottawa
- 34:30to let them come back in Couldn't do anything with it.
- 34:32And then they managed to get the field goal to go ahead and win at the end of it.
- 34:36So just You said you saw some of the game.
- 34:40Did was there anything that looked like professional football in it to you?
- 34:43Well these are these are my three notes from the game.
- 34:47One
- 34:47Okay.
- 34:48We were all cheering for you, Ottawa.
- 34:50We all
- 34:50Okay.
- 34:51wanted you to win. Nothing would have made me happier than you winning
- 34:55and the Argos being the first team you win against.
- 34:58Chad, how do you throw have four hundred and forty-three passing yards
- 35:02but only win by three on a team whose like top like MBT threw 192 yards?
- 35:07Like come. So you're doing lots of things,
- 35:10but they're not you're not converting
- 35:12Mm-hmm.
- 35:13any of it.
- 35:14c Miller, I don't
- 35:16Like s there's been lots of talk about if Miller should like give Kelly
- 35:21the gears for this or not if you just let him play and I so you're
- 35:24not gonna be Scottin' sitting for an interception,
- 35:26but this cannot continue either.
- 35:28There's gotta be some middle there,
- 35:30and then Chad's like, Well, I don't wanna like do check downs.
- 35:33I wanna do the deep bike, I wanna and I get that.
- 35:36I get that, but at some point that is selfish.
- 35:40Mm-hmm.
- 35:41wind back to when GT was talking about Chad Kelly and his
- 35:45~ emotional intelligence level and his selfishness and I think
- 35:50he said everything correctly.
- 35:52It's too bad because they have like a receiving core that is amazing.
- 35:56They have like Holly and Sean Lemon
- 36:00Yeah.
- 36:01and I expected them to like steamroll the red blacks,
- 36:05to be quite honest. So I was actually very shocked when I saw the score
- 36:09at half was 7-7. And I'm like,
- 36:12excuse me? Like
- 36:15Yeah.
- 36:15And then it came down to the last few minutes.
- 36:18and then I had a note before I found out,
- 36:20but I was like, is MPT starting the next game?
- 36:22And that was my question, and it has been answered.
- 36:24~
- 36:24Yeah.
- 36:25but yeah, I think if he had been playing,
- 36:27they probably would have won that game.
- 36:29He seems he think the receivers seem to be playing
- 36:29Yeah, 'cause they basically gave up the first quarter.
- 36:32Did nothing.
- 36:34better for him. You can tell when receivers are upset with their quarterback.
- 36:38Yeah.
- 36:38You will see how hard they are trying,
- 36:40how hard they'll lay out, how fast they'll run a route.
- 36:43Are they how willing are they to take a hit for a a catch?
- 36:47And that's not happening with Maier And so it seemed to be happening better with
- 36:52MBT.
- 36:53Yeah.
- 36:54And you know what, MBT, like I will say,
- 36:56like Ryan calling him out. I think MBT is like basically doing Ryan a favor.
- 37:00he doesn't need to be up here.
- 37:02He's running a football camp. He's got things going on.
- 37:04I don't think he expected to actually come back.
- 37:04Yeah.
- 37:06I think
- 37:06Ryan begged him to come back, and he's doing him a favor.
- 37:09And so you call him out in the media,
- 37:11and then I think maybe he's like making it up to him,
- 37:14being like, fine, you can start.
- 37:15Like I just I don't know what's going on.
- 37:16Yeah. I
- 37:17Like it's
- 37:18just so wild.
- 37:20do not make the mistake of trying to apply logic to Ottawa at this point in s
- 37:24no, it's
- 37:24just I think you're you you're throwing everything at the wall
- 37:27and hoping something sticks. I get the
- 37:27Yeah. Yeah.
- 37:28desperation and I get that, but it's just someone needs to be calm there
- 37:33and not Jake, that was too calm,
- 37:35but somebody in management needs to be calmer and I'm hoping maybe maybe
- 37:39Jim was like you need to start McLeod.
- 37:41Yes.
- 37:42Now, I will say on the upside,
- 37:45they certainly didn't take a lot of penalties in this game.
- 37:47I think they took three for twenty five yards.
- 37:51they've been taking a bunch more.
- 37:52They they do seem to be coming together.
- 37:54I've talked in the past about a desperate team is dangerous,
- 37:57but they are desperate in the wrong ways.
- 37:59This game they were desperate in the right ways.
- 38:02They were going for it on third and two or three when they had a chance.
- 38:05They weren't doing stupid things to to try and score at the at an end of
- 38:10a game or anything. So so yeah,
- 38:11it they may have some hope. We'll see.
- 38:16They're they've rebuilt that defensive backfield and
- 38:19Apparently it works not bad. You know,
- 38:22Toronto's whole thing is we're gonna get the big plays and put and we
- 38:26can give up interceptions 'cause we're gonna put up four hundred yards
- 38:29and forty points on you. Well they put up four hundred yards and twenty six points.
- 38:32Yeah.
- 38:33and could easily have lost that and and yeah,
- 38:35what you said about Kelly throwing the interceptions,
- 38:37the other question on that is what are you trying to do?
- 38:39Are you trying to win enough games in the regular season that you look relevant
- 38:44and hopefully don't lose the fans?
- 38:46Or are you trying to win a gray cup?
- 38:47they don't care. They don't care about losing fans.
- 38:48Yeah. Yes,
- 38:50They don't have fans.
- 38:52but my point is if you're trying if you want to get into the playoffs
- 38:55and win the gray cup,
- 38:57You've got to win three games against teams that are at least competent
- 39:02and the last two are probably going to be against very good teams.
- 39:04And you're not going to do that throwing three or four interceptions in a game.
- 39:08So why are you building an offense that's dependent on that?
- 39:13Well we were saying, like defenses are starting to ramp up.
- 39:16Like the offences were outplaying them the beginning of this year,
- 39:19and usually it's the opposite,
- 39:20but now defenses have a caught up and it's th it's not so easy sailing
- 39:25out there on the long bombs anymore.
- 39:27Yeah. Yeah, the game film's starting to pay off.
- 39:27Yeah.
- 39:31Yes. And speaking of it, that's a good segue into our second game,
- 39:36which was the banjo bowl and Winnipeg nineteen Saskatchewan six.
- 39:41to me the whole story of this game was how well the Winnipeg defense played
- 39:47and the fact that Mark Mueller just could not scheme his receivers open.
- 39:51Even the passes they were catching,
- 39:52everything was contested.
- 39:54The Winnipeg coverage was just it was blanket on that Saskatchewan offense.
- 39:59And you can blame, yeah, you can blame a bit of that on the fact that,
- 40:03they've got newer receivers in there and even the Weeb,
- 40:06who's been doing well as a rookie,
- 40:08wasn't in for this game. But it wasn't all of that.
- 40:11They just weren't getting anybody open.
- 40:13the only thing that they were getting that did not give them
- 40:17a tightly contested catch.
- 40:20was little short outs to Del Duncan Busby the just the l the little short sideline
- 40:24stuff to him, they had a a yard or two of separation.
- 40:28Everything else, every other pass,
- 40:30there was a Winnipeg D B right on top of the receiver.
- 40:33So fantastic and job. And I mean again,
- 40:36Winnipeg scored nineteen points.
- 40:38And that's pretty common. So it's obvious for Winnipeg to win their defense
- 40:43has to play really well.
- 40:44And they
- 40:46Did did they not score a touchdown?
- 40:48They scored one touchdown. Tommy Neal got one touchdown.
- 40:52No, the riders did not. All their score Yeah,
- 40:53No, no, the riders. Yeah, I see two field goals.
- 40:57~ no.
- 40:58from
- 40:59from Dawson Hodge, their new kicker.
- 41:01So that might be a bright spot for them.
- 41:02I think they only got into the red zone once.
- 41:05It
- 41:05I saw a stat that they were four for twenty two on their f second down conversions
- 41:09and I thought that was a mistake,
- 41:11but apparently it was correct.
- 41:13No, it was correct. It was 'cause
- 41:15it's great D now it's also true,
- 41:16mind you. It felt to me like I I realized after I looked at the stats,
- 41:21not necessarily true, but it felt to me like the refs in this game
- 41:24had their flags glued in their pocket.
- 41:26And that's not I know there's a lot of people saying,
- 41:29the Ryder fans are bitching about this week.
- 41:31That's I'm not saying it's with the for the riders.
- 41:33There was there was a roughing the passer where the D B landed square on Harris that
- 41:39should have been called and wasn't.
- 41:40But other than that, the PI there were calls on both teams that to
- 41:44my mind should have been PI calls.
- 41:46And weren't. it was the ultimate let them play kind of game.
- 41:49Only hand fighting is allowed.
- 41:51Go up and get the ball. But only in this game and only for certain people.
- 41:51Yes. Yeah. And it shows too just how much Yeah,
- 41:58exactly.
- 41:59But it shows you how much that can affect the game.
- 42:01'Cause if you remember it was who was it that Winnipeg was was playing
- 42:05at home a couple of weeks ago?
- 42:07Their first pass got batted down,
- 42:10they challenged for PI. that was the Montreal
- 42:12Montreal.
- 42:13game. First pass got batted down,
- 42:14they challenged for PI, won the challenge,
- 42:16went down, marched, got a a touchdown out of it,
- 42:18and moved on from there.
- 42:20It was the same situation this game.
- 42:22Saskatchewan gets a a pass there.
- 42:25They challenge for PI. It wasn't the most egregious miss.
- 42:29You could say it might have been PI,
- 42:31it might not have been. They ruled it no PI.
- 42:35Saskatchewan has no more challenge for the rest of the game.
- 42:37So as a coach, how do you decide that you know we really need this
- 42:42to build momentum or I should keep this in my pocket?
- 42:45Because again, there were multiple,
- 42:47multiple challengeable calls in that game.
- 42:49I feel for the coaches trying to to sort on something like that.
- 42:52Listen to you riders fam! Listen to this!
- 42:52I think Mace made a ch mistake.
- 42:54Sorry, what's that?
- 42:56Everyone's against us! The league doesn't want us to win!
- 42:59Yeah, the yeah, the red Yeah,
- 43:01The refs are having parlays about the game!
- 43:02no. And that's not what I'm saying.
- 43:04Yes.
- 43:07Yes. And and don't get me wrong,
- 43:09that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying feeling for the coach,
- 43:12that situation was exactly the same for both coaches.
- 43:16It really worked out well for one of them.
- 43:17It didn't work out for the other one.
- 43:19And in fact, to tell you the truth,
- 43:20in the Winnipeg game, against Montreal,
- 43:22I thought the PI that they up
- 43:24That they overturned and called PI when O'Shea challenged it was really ticky-tack.
- 43:29It was not an obvious PI at all.
- 43:32But regardless, he made the call,
- 43:34he got it, the game went well for him.
- 43:36Mace made the call, didn't work out for him.
- 43:39So as a coach, you know, I feel for them going,
- 43:41~ do I throw the flag here and try and keep the minimum ring,
- 43:44I know.
- 43:44or do I just hold
- 43:45on to it? It's it's gotta be so tough.
- 43:48It there's a whole second game of when to use your challenge flags or when
- 43:52to use in baseball your ABS challenge,
- 43:54right? Like it's it's a whole extra layer of the game.
- 43:54Yeah. Yeah, it it certainly is.
- 43:57Yeah. Yes.
- 43:59Because there was
- 44:00one I think Miller like last week,
- 44:02somebody made a call and then there was a very egregious face max that didn't
- 44:06get called and he has out of challenges and I'm like,
- 44:08Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
- 44:08~ no.
- 44:10yeah.
- 44:11That's
- 44:11what happens. It sucks, but that's part of the game.
- 44:14Yes. And and and again, don't don't get me wrong.
- 44:18I'm not saying that should have been over or should have been overturned.
- 44:21Maybe they should have converted
- 44:22more than four for twenty-two on their second downs.
- 44:25Then they wouldn't have to worry about a PI call.
- 44:25Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
- 44:28in those situations, I would rather that the command center trusts what this
- 44:34was called on the field. So I'm happy with them not not t overturning
- 44:40it to a penalty there. just the fact it happened within
- 44:43Three games of each other and all the rest of it I found really interesting.
- 44:46But but yeah, there was a lot more to it than that.
- 44:48They they fumbled twice. Mims fumbled.
- 44:52Keyshawn Johnson fumbled.
- 44:55It wasn't a great offensive game.
- 44:57Winnipeg didn't march up and down the field by any means either.
- 45:00No, okay, so I see like the riders got five sacks and two interceptions
- 45:05on Zack and still lost this game.
- 45:07Yeah. Yeah. Which
- 45:07How?
- 45:09tells you how well the Winnipeg defense was playing.
- 45:11Yeah, Jordan Younger not losing his job anytime soon.
- 45:14It's just like not on that.
- 45:14Not on that. And and they were making a big deal about
- 45:17the fact that Kramdi was back and and he certainly d he mean he played well where
- 45:21I saw him and the whole defense played so much better.
- 45:25Maybe he really is a linchpin that they need in there.
- 45:27That's what they kept saying,
- 45:28Yeah.
- 45:29but
- 45:30we were at the Elks game because we got there early because my aunts were very
- 45:34worried about time, and that's fine.
- 45:36We it was a beautiful afternoon.
- 45:37We wanted to be outside. And I kept looking,
- 45:39like, takes forever at Commonwealth for my phone to load because like there's
- 45:45so much concrete. but I kept my concrete castle of the north where my phone
- 45:46The concrete castle of the north.
- 45:50has no data. So I took my phone,
- 45:52but every time I tried to load my phone,
- 45:54and I would think that the score was a mistake or like it hadn't loaded,
- 45:58and it just kept being this really low score and I
- 46:00like showing them my husband he's like let me check and he's like no that
- 46:03is the score and we're like looking at it we're like but why like this
- 46:08Yeah. Yeah.
- 46:10doesn't make I just you just assume with banjo bowl it's gonna be like
- 46:13r score like you you just think be
- 46:15a shootout and it was a very defensive game it sounds like
- 46:18Yeah, it was. Saskatchewan
- 46:19defense played well but not fantastic.
- 46:23That to me was the nineteen points was more about the fact that
- 46:26the Winnipeg offense is just not a high power offense.
- 46:29Winnipeg defense played lights out.
- 46:31Absolutely. Probably the best defensive game I've seen a team play this year.
- 46:34It was Yeah.
- 46:35I think they're feeling a little desperate,
- 46:37right? Like
- 46:38It was amazing. But there were
- 46:40There were a couple of interesting minutes a moments there.
- 46:43I got a a question answered that I wasn't sure what the answer
- 46:45was because Trevor Harris threw a pass to himself.
- 46:48Threw pass up, got batted in the air,
- 46:51he grabbed it, got tackled for a two yard loss,
- 46:53and so I'm
- 46:54Yeah, I was
- 46:54saying like ~ one for one minus one yard receiving.
- 46:57I was like, What happened? Did they try a little like s
- 46:58Yeah.
- 47:01like flea flicker? Like I was like,
- 47:02What
- 47:02Yep. No, it was just batted up in the air,
- 47:05caught it himself, got tackled for the yeah,
- 47:07I guess a one yard loss. And I was saying said to myself during the game,
- 47:10So is that a sack or a tackle for a loss?
- 47:13And apparently it's a tackle for a loss.
- 47:15That's a you shouldn't have touched that ball,
- 47:17'Cause he's no longer the quarterback after he's
- 47:17so yeah.
- 47:20caught completed a pass to himself.
- 47:23Yes. And we already talked about ~ earlier about Zach getting hurt
- 47:27on his interception.
- 47:29Good writer f bomber fans.
- 47:32anything else did I have to talk about here?
- 47:34~ I like a lot of what Luke Wilson is doing with his play by play.
- 47:40But please, Luke, we get that you really like the fact you've got a line that says,
- 47:47I just tell the kickers to kick it between the goalposts.
- 47:49Just do that. It's easy. Good line.
- 47:53The first time I heard it. We're now what in week fifteen,
- 47:57so I've heard it fifteen times at least.
- 47:59And yeah, you can stop using it now.
- 48:01Yeah. Yeah,
- 48:01And Bulls on Parade. Do you also enjoy that one three times a game?
- 48:05yeah, that yeah, but that one's that
- 48:07one at least you know, may get the odd game off in there,
- 48:10here and there. This one's been consistent.
- 48:12Yes. Yeah.
- 48:14Luke, you can be the emergency backup kicker.
- 48:16Let's
- 48:16see how you do.
- 48:17~ Winnipeg did have a touchdown called back on a short yardage play from
- 48:22I think about the twenty or thirty yard line.
- 48:24Perkins got outside and managed to run it into the end zone,
- 48:28but it was called on a a fairly obvious holding call,
- 48:31although again Luke was bitching and complaining that he didn't like the call.
- 48:35I don't know why. Caleb Sanders,
- 48:36I still think is one of the more underrated defensive tackles,
- 48:40made a fantastic sack.
- 48:42Swim move up the middle and just rock Zack big time.
- 48:46and the last thing I had to say is Brady's head slap.
- 48:49I feel like they've gotten less impactful as he's so frustrated with
- 48:53not getting the ball because a year,
- 48:55two years ago, they would be in the game and Brady would be up to sixty,
- 49:00seventy yards and have broken off two or three runs of close to ten.
- 49:05And then they'd get into that mode of,
- 49:07okay, now we're marching out the game,
- 49:09and he'd start he'd get two or three in a row,
- 49:10and that's when he'd hop up and start slapping his head and going,
- 49:13Now we're going, now we're on it,
- 49:15and it meant something.
- 49:17He's getting so few chances now that he gets a ten yard carry and
- 49:20he gets up slapping his head. And it just no.
- 49:24I don't buy that.
- 49:24There's a new helmet
- 49:25slopping guy in town and his name is Alexander.
- 49:28Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- 49:30I So you know, save it for once you're actually building the momentum.
- 49:35My opinion.
- 49:35Well he might not get
- 49:36another chance with the ball, this is the thing.
- 49:38That might be his last carry of the game,
- 49:39~ Yes. Well that's true too,
- 49:42so he gotta make it worthwhile.
- 49:43yes. You may never
- 49:44see it again. Although I didn't see what I didn't check what his stats were,
- 49:47but they did use him better in this game.
- 49:49He did get
- 49:50~ he had fourteen carries for a hundred yards and one we went one
- 49:55for two with twelve yards receiving.
- 49:57Yeah.
- 49:57Yeah, they used him running out of the backfield and he got a few good ten,
- 50:01twelve yard runs He was definitely a a bigger factor in this game than he's been
- 50:06in others. And mostly to tell you the truth,
- 50:09not in scoring, but in just the fact that he was keeping the ball away from
- 50:13the riders. They chewed up a lot of clock using him.
- 50:19And then my last question for the game didn't get answered either.
- 50:21Because we did have the thing that
- 50:25Here's me patting myself on the back.
- 50:26Last week I mentioned when Baldonado came available they could bring him
- 50:30in and then they didn't need their global kicker.
- 50:32And guess what? They brought him in and changed to the Canadian kicker.
- 50:35Now, I don't know anything about Dawson Hodge other than apparently he
- 50:39was with the Goldenhawks and yeah,
- 50:41he looked like he was about I think he was about seventy percent with them.
- 50:45Longest was forty nine yards. He hit a fifty five yarder in preseason with Calgary
- 50:51a year ago. So he's got some leg.
- 50:53Does he have the accuracy? I don't know.
- 50:55But the other thing looking at it was the kickoffs.
- 50:57his average kickoff with the Goldenhawks landed about the twenty-two,
- 51:02twenty-three yard line and was returned from there.
- 51:05And most CFL kickers these days are getting it down to about the five,
- 51:09so I thought, okay, so maybe they're gonna use their punter.
- 51:11Other teams do that. Bigger leg on the punter,
- 51:13maybe they'll use Chapman to do the kickoff.
- 51:16But we don't know, because they never kicked off in the game.
- 51:22Winnipeg won the toss and deferred.
- 51:24they kicked off to Saskatchewan to start the game and then they came
- 51:27out in the second half and said,
- 51:28no, we want the wind in the fourth,
- 51:30so we'll kick off to you again.
- 51:31And with two field goals, there were no kickoffs.
- 51:35and Saskatchewan's on a bye this week,
- 51:37so another week before we f before that burning question in my little brain gets
- 51:42answered.
- 51:43What can I say? Anything else for you?
- 51:46Anything from
- 51:47Yeah,
- 51:48that's also sounded like a really sad game.
- 51:51Two sad games in a row. Mm
- 51:53Yeah. Surprisingly enough, it wasn't.
- 51:55It was actually
- 51:56a quite exciting game. It was fun to watch.
- 51:59Even as a rider fan, watching o my offense not be able to do anything,
- 52:04it was an interesting game.
- 52:07there aren't a lot of nineteen six football games that would have be would have been
- 52:10as much fun to watch as that. So
- 52:14Congratulations to the Bombers.
- 52:16Full credit to their their defense.
- 52:18And I'm sure the the Bomber fans are happy and they're only a game
- 52:22off of Saskatchewan now. So they do find a way to win when they're even when they're
- 52:26not the at the top of their game some years.
- 52:30This last two, three years they everyone says they're tailing off and
- 52:33it looks like it, but they keep coming up with stuff like this.
- 52:37O'Shea is a hell of a coach. Can't take anything away from him.
- 52:41Then the ~ should I say game or debacle that you were at?
- 52:45Edmonton fifty th Yes.
- 52:47Defending the concrete castle of the north.
- 52:50Edmonton
- 52:51fifty three Calgary sixteen. Should have been thirteen,
- 52:55but you were there. Do you want to talk about it first?
- 53:00well it was a perfect night for football.
- 53:02It had been cloudy and cold and windy that whole day and then as soon
- 53:06as it was getting close to kickoff all the clouds parted and it was sunny
- 53:11and it was like around twelve degrees and it there's n ~ it's perfect football
- 53:16weather. there's like yeah it was tons of people.
- 53:18I
- 53:19I you know, I I was at this game,
- 53:21I was sitting in one of the end zones,
- 53:23and most of the play was in the other end of the field,
- 53:26on the far side. And even when it came down to my area of the field,
- 53:30it was on the far side.
- 53:32Yeah.
- 53:32Usually there's at least one good end zone,
- 53:35like touchdown right in front of us,
- 53:37and there was absolutely nothing in front of us the whole game.
- 53:40So
- 53:41~
- 53:41I was like like
- 53:42This, like trying to see what happened.
- 53:45Like I didn't I couldn't even tell Rankin got this is the this is the tragedy
- 53:49of ~ live sports in person. ~
- 53:52Yes.
- 53:53you just ~ you know like guys come over this way.
- 53:56Like why why are you over there?
- 53:58No, no, ~ yeah
- 53:59Yes.
- 54:00So there was like qu quite a lot of Calgary fans there.
- 54:03There was a lot of people wearing their Reggie Bagleton jerseys.
- 54:06So it was nice to have him back and everyone was really excited about that.
- 54:11The consensus of Stampede fans that I talked to during the game,
- 54:15going home from the game, is a couple things.
- 54:18One, we are all pretty sure VA is still injured.
- 54:21Because he did not look like he was seeing anything.
- 54:25I expected him to play a lot better.
- 54:28Yeah.
- 54:29And it just didn't seem like he was quite with it,
- 54:31and I'm actually quite concerned about that.
- 54:34B, it's not really about the game,
- 54:36but it is. But ~ this team has everything.
- 54:39This team has everything. The Stampeders on paper are a powerhouse team.
- 54:45So what is going on that they cannot put it together?
- 54:48There's some sort
- 54:49No 'cause
- 54:50of management or coaching thing because it is not player-related.
- 54:54It is definitely not player-related.
- 54:56There is something happening. And there's a lot of people calling
- 54:59for Dave Dickinson to be done by the end of the year.
- 55:02lot, a lot of the Calgary and not a single Calgary fan I talked to wanted
- 55:06him to stay and and keep coaching.
- 55:08it was maybe six weeks ago we were talking about,
- 55:10they've had a couple of close losses,
- 55:12but they're looking like we're gonna be talking about them in the top tier
- 55:15of teams real soon, and it's just it's gone downhill from there.
- 55:19And on the VA thing, there was also I'm sure well,
- 55:24you were there, you saw it, they ran a trick play where they had
- 55:30Philpott took for like a sweep and then VA went out the other side
- 55:34and they taught and they passed back to VA and it didn't go for any yards
- 55:38and he got hit and he got hit in the head.
- 55:40And they threw a flag and then they picked it up and they said no,
- 55:44that's not a ~ an unnecessary roughness,
- 55:47and it's possibly because he's now a receiver,
- 55:50not a quarterback, that they did that.
- 55:52That was in maybe two thirds of the way through the s third quarter.
- 55:56He played another two and out series and then that was Love in the game again.
- 56:00And people
- 56:00Yeah. What
- 56:01were saying, well they're they're losing it.
- 56:03It's not going, you know, it's obvious they may as well they're looking for a spark.
- 56:06I don't know if he didn't get himself hurt again.
- 56:08And he's not Yeah.
- 56:09Honestly that's a dangerous that's dangerous.
- 56:14he's not on the injury list for Calgary on the injury reports,
- 56:19but
- 56:20That's another one. Him and and Trey I'm both kinda worried about are they
- 56:23out there playing when they shouldn't be?
- 56:26~ a hundred percent I think they are.
- 56:28And this had to feel good for Mark Killum.
- 56:31Another that it's hard to win at home at home.
- 56:35And to win
- 56:35Yeah.
- 56:35a home at home against the team that ran you out of town has to feel amazing.
- 56:39and then this game turned into a passing game because,
- 56:42well, Powell ended up playing really well.
- 56:44But Rankin and Mills both got injured,
- 56:46and so now you have no choice.
- 56:47But I thought that I thought that the Calgary would use McAllister more,
- 56:51and they didn't. So.
- 56:54Well, and when they tried to it went nowhere.
- 56:55Yeah, I guess they use Chikette.
- 56:56So maybe Edmonton talked them out of it.
- 56:58Just they did not look prepared to be at that game.
- 57:01They did
- 57:02Yes.
- 57:02not look ready and again they have an elite team.
- 57:05I think they are probably on paper one of the top teams in the league,
- 57:08so there's something going on.
- 57:09Calg Edmonton is not a top team on paper.
- 57:12On paper, they are nowhere near close and they are winning.
- 57:15Yeah.
- 57:16So that
- 57:17comes from management, that comes from coaching.
- 57:19Yeah.
- 57:20and a lot of little things that you don't necessarily notice.
- 57:23Everybody talks about the fact that they're getting so many turnovers.
- 57:27And that's true, that makes a big difference But it's also points
- 57:31off turnovers that matter, and I didn't realize until they mentioned it
- 57:33in this game I started and went and did some math on it.
- 57:35They're averaging better than a field goal in points every time they get a turnover.
- 57:39So they're not wasting them at all.
- 57:43And then T S we've talked about T S N likes to do their well,
- 57:47shade or whatever. There if there's any reason to get on a player
- 57:50on the sidelines to get shots of them they will.
- 57:52So after Rankin came back out in his civvies,
- 57:54they were working hard to get a lot of shots of Rankin along the sidelines to
- 57:59Mm.
- 57:59do what they do. And he was brilliant.
- 58:01He just kept ducking beh you could see him he was smirking and he knew what they
- 58:06were doing and he just kept ducking behind the linemen or ducking behind this crowd
- 58:10or
- 58:10Perfect.
- 58:11No,
- 58:11I'm not gonna give you an easy shot of me out here.
- 58:13I didn't even know he got knocked out of that game.
- 58:17Because obviously at the game they don't announce it.
- 58:17Yeah. No, they don't. Yeah.
- 58:19And again, my phone doesn't my phone doesn't work in the concrete
- 58:22castle. So I actually couldn't even look up stats because my phone would take five
- 58:26minutes to load. So I just was like,
- 58:27okay, I guess I'm just enjoying this game on the other side of the field.
- 58:30so but it was
- 58:31Peter.
- 58:31fun. We had fun. There's lots of people there.
- 58:33It was a really good atmosphere.
- 58:34so good for Edmonton. Like they need this.
- 58:37They need this. And so that was that was really awesome.
- 58:41And ~ yeah, Calgary, that is a mess.
- 58:42Yeah. Yeah.
- 58:44Yes. And it sounds like you didn't even get your wish of having
- 58:45And it's unfortunate.
- 58:48Alfred catch one of his passes in front of you.
- 58:50No, no. But my s my son did talk
- 58:50I think he had a couple of catches but
- 58:52to him before the game. Like he ran down to talk to him before the game.
- 58:55After the game, those they all were walking over out with their head like towels
- 58:59over their heads and like they weren't talking to anyone.
- 59:02Reggie, Reggie went and talked to some people as he does,
- 59:05but no one else ever. I think everyone else was like out of there.
- 59:08And I have to explain to a child that when you get a beat down from by your rival,
- 59:12Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- 59:14you're you're not sticking around to talk to kids after the game.
- 59:16Yeah, exactly.
- 59:19It's not like your hometown where you have to.
- 59:21Like no, you can just walk off.
- 59:21Yeah. Yeah.
- 59:23~ it's just too bad. Yes.
- 59:24But hey, you got to see early before the game,
- 59:27I love the fact they're doing that,
- 59:27Yeah.
- 59:28yes.
- 59:29It's just too bad 'cause I was I was so excited for Reggie to be back
- 59:32and like VA and like yeah, they they have such a good receiving core
- 59:36and they have such they have Clarence Hicks and like,
- 59:39you know, Flo and I just you think that they're gonna do so well and Yeah.
- 59:44Yeah. Yep.
- 59:44~
- 59:45on the Edmonton side, like Robostelli is I'm so happy he's off the injured list
- 59:49and playing. He looks so great.
- 59:50yeah. Yes, and there was such
- 59:51That's what a great pickup.
- 59:54such a nice t connection between him and and Cody for one of the touchdowns.
- 59:58Yeah.
- 59:59Just o over the D B's hands, just perfect.
- 1:00:02It was yeah. They ~ Yeah.
- 1:00:05This team's dangerous. They're dangerous.
- 1:00:07Yeah.
- 1:00:08It was ~ the last two games of the weekend were good for big man scoring
- 1:00:14and it started in this game when
- 1:00:16Herbert for Edmonton, who's one of their backup D-ends on a punt,
- 1:00:21burst up the middle and nice swim move,
- 1:00:25came in clean, blocked the punt,
- 1:00:26and recovered it himself for a touchdown.
- 1:00:28Yeah, if that
- 1:00:29could happen on the end zone I was sitting in,
- 1:00:32Yeah. Would have been nice, Yeah.
- 1:00:32that would have been much nicer for me.
- 1:00:35Yeah, ~ one of the touchdown Kelowna games that I went to.
- 1:00:38I sat in the end zone and I think one field goal was scored in that end zone.
- 1:00:41And everything else was Yeah. Yes.
- 1:00:41Yeah, it's always the way. It's always the way.
- 1:00:44~
- 1:00:45I feel like that blocked punt touchdown was the end of any glimmer of
- 1:00:50any sort of comeback like that was that was that's
- 1:00:52Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:00:54a morale killer.
- 1:00:55And that was all just pure individual effort.
- 1:00:57They didn't have a a punt block called.
- 1:00:59Like when he blocked it, there was him and the punter in the end zone
- 1:01:02and nobody else. Everyone else has had wheeled and were running
- 1:01:03Yep, so for every
- 1:01:05downfield.
- 1:01:06every defensive player that contacts the kicker and say that they can't because
- 1:01:10they're trying to block the punt,
- 1:01:11you watch that. Perfectly executed.
- 1:01:13Yeah. Could not have done that better.
- 1:01:15Could not have done that better.
- 1:01:17do I not did I have anything else here?
- 1:01:19they they also there was a very n ~ I can't I don't remember which
- 1:01:23of the Edmonton defensive tackles got it,
- 1:01:25but there was a very nice sack on I think it was VA that was still
- 1:01:29in there when they ran a a twist between between their defensive tackles.
- 1:01:34The two inside guys basically switched gaps on their rush and got clean.
- 1:01:39was ~ the Calgary offensive line was nowhere near ready for that.
- 1:01:44I guess like VA's saving money 'cause he's not buying dinner for the O line anymore.
- 1:01:48Yeah, that
- 1:01:49is definitely that is true very much so,
- 1:01:52yes. I think that's probably about it.
- 1:01:55~ I said, you know, Edmonton, yeah,
- 1:01:56they're still making mistakes.
- 1:01:57They did get twice called for no end penalties,
- 1:02:01which should never happen. you should be able to ~
- 1:02:05to at least have enough people up on the line of scrimmage and to have
- 1:02:08it go around twice. Yeah, but they doesn't seem to phase them.
- 1:02:13And did I have
- 1:02:13Yeah.
- 1:02:13anything else? c yeah, the penalties.
- 1:02:15The penalties. Winnipeg. After the game
- 1:02:17There was a lot of penalties.
- 1:02:19in Winnipeg where it felt like the flags were glued in the ref's pockets,
- 1:02:23I thought, you know, you need to start tucking them a little deeper
- 1:02:26in your pockets in this game. Yeah.
- 1:02:28Twenty-three flags. That's one
- 1:02:30Yeah, there was
- 1:02:31every l less than three minutes.
- 1:02:33And you get about thirty five second play clock,
- 1:02:36you get maybe two plays a minute,
- 1:02:38so that's one every six calls,
- 1:02:39basically.
- 1:02:41And yeah.
- 1:02:41It felt
- 1:02:41like one every two. Like it felt like it was constant it
- 1:02:43Yeah.
- 1:02:44really actually quite slowed the game down 'cause yeah,
- 1:02:46Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
- 1:02:46it just felt like we were always hearing from it was Ben,
- 1:02:49and I felt like a lot and again I felt
- 1:02:49right? I felt like we were always hearing him.
- 1:02:52like a lot of those were a little bit tikky tacky both ways.
- 1:02:56I felt like there was a bunch there that maybe didn't need to be called,
- 1:02:59but yeah, Calgary eleven for a hundred and eleven yards.
- 1:03:02Edmonton twelve for a hundred and twenty five.
- 1:03:05And it still wasn't the worst officiated game of the weekend.
- 1:03:08yeah. I think that's ~ Edmonton had a field goal,
- 1:03:13got blocked and went through the uprights anyway.
- 1:03:15through you just knew when that happened you just know I'm like this is
- 1:03:16Yeah.
- 1:03:19how this game is gonna go. It's like those Argo bounces,
- 1:03:22right? I'm like, okay,
- 1:03:22Yeah.
- 1:03:23everything's gonna go their way now.
- 1:03:25If that gets blocked and still goes through,
- 1:03:27there's nothing that isn't going this team's way for the rest of the game.
- 1:03:28Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:03:31And is exactly what happened.
- 1:03:33Yeah. The old adage, there's some games you're gonna lose no matter what you do,
- 1:03:36there's some games you're gonna win no matter what you do.
- 1:03:38That kinda
- 1:03:38Yeah.
- 1:03:39felt like that in in this game.
- 1:03:40Full credit to Edmonton. They did it's not like they they were gif gifted a game.
- 1:03:45They earned everything, but it yeah,
- 1:03:46it just felt like the s the stars were aligned for them.
- 1:03:49Yeah.
- 1:03:50Maybe there's something to the concrete castle of the north.
- 1:03:53yep. I think that's everything.
- 1:03:56Anything else for you to say?
- 1:03:58No, it was yeah, just happy for the elks.
- 1:04:03Mm. So that moves us on to the brawl in BC.
- 1:04:07So
- 1:04:08The late game, and I'm sure everybody's heard about this,
- 1:04:12but a couple of things that besides the brawl part,
- 1:04:15I said, great weekend for big man touchdowns and on the defense,
- 1:04:20not the offense. We had the punt in the Edmonton game.
- 1:04:22B C game Casey Sayles picked off Alexander on a really stupid move by Alexander.
- 1:04:28Shouldn't
- 1:04:29A ball that should never have been put into play like that.
- 1:04:32And then Beverett came up the middle and got a strip sack on Rourke
- 1:04:36and Mustafa Johnson picked it up and ran it into the end zone.
- 1:04:40Yeah. Beverat, two socks and one force fumble.
- 1:04:42He yeah
- 1:04:42Yep. He he was
- 1:04:44he was he played full out that game.
- 1:04:47Yes he did. And
- 1:04:47Yeah.
- 1:04:49they they pointed out with Johnson the particularly,
- 1:04:54but Sayles was kind of the same.
- 1:04:56Both of them as once they had the ball and were running to the end zone were looking
- 1:04:59back to see surely somebody's gonna catch me.
- 1:05:02I'm not fast enough and they didn't get caught,
- 1:05:04but it reminded me when I used to coach I'd teach players receivers more
- 1:05:08who actually had some speed.
- 1:05:10Once you get the ball and you're behind coverage,
- 1:05:12don't look back. It slows you down.
- 1:05:14Just just run. Yeah.
- 1:05:16Like the number one rule of track and field.
- 1:05:18Don't look back when you're running.
- 1:05:19Yes.
- 1:05:21Not good for a person's speed.
- 1:05:23Yeah.
- 1:05:24There was also maybe could have been more penalties called 'cause of
- 1:05:28the way it went, but BC had seven for ninety and Montreal eleven for
- 1:05:32a hundred and seventeen. So most of the games this this year the penalty
- 1:05:36yardage has been somewhere at or below fifty for both teams.
- 1:05:40And two games this week where it went was up at a hundred.
- 1:05:43I feel like the refs let this game go off the rails and they should
- 1:05:47Yes.
- 1:05:48have called it a lot tighter and they should have been a
- 1:05:50lot stricter with objectionable conduct and taunting calls because it
- 1:05:55you just it just kept spiraling out of control and the it just got worse
- 1:06:00and worse as the game went on.
- 1:06:01Yeah.
- 1:06:02Well and calls that were once it did start to spiral and and things got stupid,
- 1:06:09taking literally five to ten minutes in the in the control center
- 1:06:13to decide what they're gonna call.
- 1:06:14The control center's supposed to have a mandate to get stuff done quickly.
- 1:06:18There there's one play there where Betts gets
- 1:06:24a good rush on Alexander.
- 1:06:27Tackles him as he's approaching the line.
- 1:06:30As he tackles him from behind,
- 1:06:31he goes for the strip sack and and hits his hand and the ball comes out
- 1:06:35and it's an incomplete pass. But it looked like it wasn't a pass attempt
- 1:06:38by Alexander. It looked like Betts knocked it out and and hit it forward.
- 1:06:42And then he tackles Alexander on top of that.
- 1:06:45And then when they're getting up,
- 1:06:47Alexander elbows someone in the rips his arm out of the hole pile
- 1:06:52and elbows someone in the head on the lions.
- 1:06:55And it comes out it's because Betts is in there in the middle of
- 1:06:58the pile keeping hold of his throwing arm and twisting on it,
- 1:07:01apparently. there's a challenge on it.
- 1:07:03I thought the challenge is was it a fumble or not?
- 1:07:06No, it turns out it was that that was roughing 'cause there was
- 1:07:08a horse collar tackle. But it took them five minutes to sort all that out.
- 1:07:13Just look at it and make a call.
- 1:07:14Don't slow down the game.
- 1:07:15That was too long
- 1:07:16because it kept like by but you're taking so long and like Alexander's freak
- 1:07:22everyone's freaking out and yelling and screaming at each other.
- 1:07:25So it's just boiling and you're just
- 1:07:26Yes.
- 1:07:27like doo-doo-do-do. Meanwhile,
- 1:07:29Yeah.
- 1:07:30there there's murder happening and you're just like,
- 1:07:33let's look at this from another angle,
- 1:07:33Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:07:35I guess. I don't know,
- 1:07:36like it was like what?
- 1:07:38Yeah. I I looked to see
- 1:07:40if there was a full moon that night.
- 1:07:41'Cause it was yeah, yeah. Alexander's right there literally in Betts' face,
- 1:07:47shaking his finger an inch from Betts' face.
- 1:07:49Betts is there with this goofy grin the whole time.
- 1:07:52Like I think I got away with something,
- 1:07:54but you know and and then a little bit later there's a Stevie Scott fumbles when
- 1:08:01it's fairly obvious that he was down,
- 1:08:03but no they decide they're gonna let that play out.
- 1:08:06So somebody scoops it up and runs down the sideline and Tyson Philbutt comes
- 1:08:08You can't let
- 1:08:09across and smashes him hard after he's a step or two out of bounds.
- 1:08:13Now in in Tyson's defense a little bit maybe,
- 1:08:16Mm, mm-mm.
- 1:08:17there was a bunch of players around him.
- 1:08:19He might not have been certain he was out of bounds.
- 1:08:21Might have, I don't know. But well,
- 1:08:21~ come on He did
- 1:08:24the angle that I saw from
- 1:08:26from the TV, I could buy that as a little bit.
- 1:08:29I'm not saying it's true, but I'm saying it's a it's an argument you could make.
- 1:08:34But then after he does that, Roland Kent
- 1:08:34No, not in that game.
- 1:08:36comes and smash well, then what Tyson does that's indefensible is he does
- 1:08:39go and prepare to stand over Bellew and start talking to him as he's
- 1:08:45on the sideline after the big hit.
- 1:08:46Roland Kent Jr. comes along and smashes Philpot in the back when he's four five
- 1:08:53yards out of bounds. And again,
- 1:08:54it takes them five minutes to come back and say,
- 1:08:56it was no fumble.
- 1:08:57yeah.
- 1:08:58So we didn't need any of that.
- 1:08:59And
- 1:09:00These are the penalties and somehow it ends up being Tyler Sneed gets
- 1:09:04a penalty out of it all too.
- 1:09:06So the CFL needs a mechanism whereby if things like that happen,
- 1:09:10those players can be ejected without getting two objectionable conduct calls.
- 1:09:13Because Philpott and Kent those two should not have been in that game after that.
- 1:09:18Yeah.
- 1:09:18Absolutely
- 1:09:19Yeah.
- 1:09:19not. I don't care if you're the top receiver in the league.
- 1:09:21you cannot handle yourself. what he did was completely uncalled for.
- 1:09:24that entire s sideline ruckus was unnecessary and didn't need to happen.
- 1:09:30Yeah.
- 1:09:31I don't know exactly what the rule says,
- 1:09:32but you can be thrown out without two calls against you because you throw
- 1:09:36a punch and you're out. bets get ejected later,
- 1:09:39apparently for throwing a punch that we never get to see.
- 1:09:40Like I don't know why. They didn't
- 1:09:42they didn't say that he had an objectionable conduct and then when
- 1:09:44we were looking at replay it didn't even make sense.
- 1:09:46So I don't know if he said something.
- 1:09:49Well they said
- 1:09:50on the on the broadcast they said that he threw a punch.
- 1:09:53But it wasn't anything that they showed
- 1:09:54~ well they did
- 1:09:55any film of.
- 1:09:56no, no, so
- 1:09:58I don't know but but yeah they just they lost all control of that game.
- 1:10:02Now it comes out today that just before we went on air here that Kent and
- 1:10:08who else ~ was it there? Kent and Haggerty for BC and Callus,
- 1:10:13the the D B for Montreal, have all been summoned to the CFL offices for a hearing,
- 1:10:18which can be the first step to a suspension
- 1:10:21Phil Butt didn't get suspended didn't get called in for it.
- 1:10:21You know amaz funny how that happened.
- 1:10:23And yeah,
- 1:10:26and and Haggerty I didn't even see take a penalty.
- 1:10:29I didn't like okay, Josh Haggerty was a menace the game before,
- 1:10:33but I didn't see him doing anything this week,
- 1:10:33Yeah. Yeah. Well he was the one that
- 1:10:36so I don't know.
- 1:10:37hit Deadman, but he got pushed into that hit.
- 1:10:40Yeah, no, he didn't even mean to.
- 1:10:42he got pushed into that. yeah,
- 1:10:44this game. ~ so it's kind of funny.
- 1:10:46It's funny because for a while now,
- 1:10:49for years, like they CFL's been trying to fabricate a Labor Day rivalry between
- 1:10:54Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:10:54BC and Montreal, and it's always felt
- 1:10:56very forced. It's kinda like you're trying to make fetch happen.
- 1:10:59Like, come on. these teams just did it on their own,
- 1:11:01huh?
- 1:11:02Yeah.
- 1:11:03This was
- 1:11:03Yeah.
- 1:11:03the biggest back-to-back home at home rivalry games of the
- 1:11:08Yeah.
- 1:11:08season, I would say. Betts versus Alexander and Beverett versus Rourke.
- 1:11:13Yeah.
- 1:11:13And it's kind of like a Sydney Crosby versus Alexandro Ovechkin,
- 1:11:17the league cannot market this any better.
- 1:11:19This is fantastic. it needs to be refed better,
- 1:11:22but as far as rivalries go, this was the game.
- 1:11:27It was the game. and now I think BC has shown you how to get under Alexander's skin
- 1:11:33and make him flustered.
- 1:11:33It
- 1:11:34he had just calmed it down and focused on throwing instead of like jumping around
- 1:11:40and yelling and g like which he does need to do and I get it.
- 1:11:43It's like that's part of his game,
- 1:11:44but it was so far and then I feel like Jason needs to get a a handle
- 1:11:49on that situation in
- 1:11:50I feel like in these last two games against Montreal,
- 1:11:53he's gone from where that was an asset for him to where it's become a liability.
- 1:11:56Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
- 1:11:58It feels like it's taking
- 1:12:00him out of the games now and I don't know,
- 1:12:02but it was like I said, a full moon kind of night.
- 1:12:05It was BC went up seventeen nothing.
- 1:12:07Montreal comes back and scores two touchdowns in like under two minutes.
- 1:12:11Tyson Philbott in behind coverage.
- 1:12:16drops a pass that's dropped right into his hands.
- 1:12:18You know? Yeah. no i but he did there.
- 1:12:19Wha what? Right? Like he doesn't drop those.
- 1:12:23I know.
- 1:12:26You've got a stoppage in play and the trainers come out and work on Alexander
- 1:12:32and he doesn't have to leave the game.
- 1:12:33Yeah, they say, yeah, because somebody
- 1:12:34Because somebody else got injured and then
- 1:12:37was already down so we can do that.
- 1:12:38I've never heard that's not a rule I've heard.
- 1:12:40Now I'm not saying it's not a rule.
- 1:12:43But it's not something I've seen in all the years I've watched the CFL,
- 1:12:48it's kinda
- 1:12:48so
- 1:12:49like the shohe otani treatment,
- 1:12:51I feel like.
- 1:12:52Yeah.
- 1:12:52Yeah, it could be. I don't know.
- 1:12:54It just like I said, just bizarre stuff that did not make any sense to
- 1:12:59me in so many ways in this game.
- 1:13:00This would be the game with the onside punt.
- 1:13:02If that was the game that was gonna have the onside punt,
- 1:13:04it was this game.
- 1:13:05Yeah. Yeah,
- 1:13:06and the onside punch in time. And Horvath gets another three touchdowns.
- 1:13:10Including they decide to go the Tommy Stevens route with him when they
- 1:13:13get the ball in the three yard line.
- 1:13:14They just put him in and let him run for a yard three times until he punches it in.
- 1:13:20Yeah. ~ so in this game, also like Rourke was the top rusher for the Lions.
- 1:13:26Butler
- 1:13:26Yep. Yep.
- 1:13:27had three carries for seven yards.
- 1:13:29Like that guy's washed, right?
- 1:13:30Like they're not they're not using him.
- 1:13:31Yeah. Yeah.
- 1:13:32~
- 1:13:33Horvath, yeah, but Rourke should not be your top rusher.
- 1:13:36This is a terrible judgment error.
- 1:13:38Like it I maybe he was getting flushed.
- 1:13:40I didn't see the whole game. I was waiting for trains,
- 1:13:42but yeah.
- 1:13:43Yeah. Well, some
- 1:13:44of it was like the one one rush was about a twelve,
- 1:13:47fifteen yard for the touchdown that was a calculated one.
- 1:13:50I don't think it was called, but he definitely saw the opening and the chance
- 1:13:53to get to the pylon there. So there was some of that.
- 1:13:56But yeah, it was they didn't have a terribly effective running game.
- 1:13:59I think Butler is a running back that needs to play a full game.
- 1:14:03I don't think you can spell him in there the way they have been and expect
- 1:14:06a lot out of him. Unless he's so very good out of the backfield,
- 1:14:09get with passing, so maybe some of that,
- 1:14:11yeah, you can't you can't say anything about BC's defense anymore.
- 1:14:15Yeah.
- 1:14:16No, their defense looked good,
- 1:14:17although again, twenty six points.
- 1:14:20or was that the final what what was no,
- 1:14:22twenty nine, 'cause they got a field goal after that.
- 1:14:24But I was thinking because it was thirty eight twenty-six when Deadman got hurt.
- 1:14:29And again, when he got hurt, and the you can't complain about the time it took,
- 1:14:34but because they had to
- 1:14:37be as careful with them as they were.
- 1:14:39There was another probably fifteen minute stoppage in play.
- 1:14:42And so now you you're basically I don't even remember what the time was,
- 1:14:47but it was it was probably like well after midnight Montreal time.
- 1:14:52And that just to me, that just took all the wind out of Montreal's sails.
- 1:14:57They were in the game up till then.
- 1:14:59They were down by the twelve points,
- 1:15:00but they were coming back and they just
- 1:15:02They got one field goal after that.
- 1:15:03I don't know if it was fatigue and all the the distractions
- 1:15:07and all the interruptions and then an injury like that to a teammate but
- 1:15:10to me that the game ended at that point,
- 1:15:12basically.
- 1:15:14So this is a fantastic win for the BC Lions because they had their first tailgate
- 1:15:18party ever before the game. And you could get a BC Lions tattoo for free.
- 1:15:22Hmm.
- 1:15:25So, ~ I still think they were really h pup pumping it up and then they just come
- 1:15:29out and play a football like was it a good game?
- 1:15:33I don't know. But they won and they won by all quite a lot and they just like took
- 1:15:37it took the what what some would say is the top team in the league to task
- 1:15:42Yeah. Yeah, I would agree.
- 1:15:43and made them very
- 1:15:44vulnerable and showed other teams how to make them very and Winnipeg also made
- 1:15:48e they showed everyone how to make Montreal vulnerable.
- 1:15:52I'm not sure I would be all that keen on a free tattoo.
- 1:15:56I mean tattoos are a fairly permanent thing.
- 1:15:58You wanna think long and hard.
- 1:15:59I have a tattoo. It's not a Saskatchewan tattoo.
- 1:16:02It's you wanna make sure it's something you want on your body the whole time.
- 1:16:05I don't know about free tattoo at a tailgate party.
- 1:16:08Might not be the best choice.
- 1:16:09I don't know, I have I have friends
- 1:16:10that will go get tattoos on flash sales of just whatever.
- 1:16:13like a little ghost for Halloween and we'll just go grab one.
- 1:16:16Like it's just like that's just how things are now.
- 1:16:18So if you're a big BC Lions fan,
- 1:16:19you're gonna get free tattoo at a tailgate party.
- 1:16:21Great.
- 1:16:22I am an old man.
- 1:16:23I don't keep up with all of these trends.
- 1:16:25No, I do not. a fitting end to a quadrip quadruple header.
- 1:16:29It was bizarre football.
- 1:16:32Montreal signed their first round draft pick.
- 1:16:35Rohan Jones, who's a tight end fullback apparently.
- 1:16:39So I didn't expect a lot of speed out of him.
- 1:16:40They put him in on kick returns and he took one back over the fifty.
- 1:16:43So
- 1:16:45I just want to circle back to these in-person hearings.
- 1:16:47Because why wouldn't Anderson have one for that hit on BA?
- 1:16:51I don't know that he didn't, but this I saw these ones were announced.
- 1:16:54They said he was had a fine, but
- 1:16:56these ones were announced and they usually are pretty I don't understand
- 1:17:00the disciplinary
- 1:17:02No.
- 1:17:02structure of this league.
- 1:17:05No. I
- 1:17:07anyway, that refereeing they lost the plot on that one.
- 1:17:11Yeah. the officials were not in charge of that game.
- 1:17:13the other thing I said is it was a damn shame that as much as Rod Black
- 1:17:16I don't mind him as a play by play guy,
- 1:17:18he's good. This should have been Dustin Nielsen because there were so many
- 1:17:22Are you kidding me moments Yeah,
- 1:17:23Dusty and Luke would have been the best for this game.
- 1:17:27it
- 1:17:27was a game made for them.
- 1:17:29Yeah. well. You'll have
- 1:17:31Yeah.
- 1:17:31to wait for the playoffs now. Maybe great up,
- 1:17:33right? Who knows?
- 1:17:34Mm maybe,
- 1:17:35maybe. And then the only other thing I don't usually watch
- 1:17:39the commercials but somehow before I could fast forward a one caught my idea
- 1:17:43my eye and it was the BDC, the Business Development Bank of Canada doing basically
- 1:17:48a rah rah Canada ad. Look how great we are,
- 1:17:51and it was Rick Mercer doing one of his rants for them.
- 1:17:53So I thought there's a nice little throwback.
- 1:17:57Rick's looking a little older these days,
- 1:17:59but still, it was nice.
- 1:18:02Gotta gotta pay bills, I guess,
- 1:18:04right? Like
- 1:18:04Yeah.
- 1:18:05I enjoyed that one. Most ads I don't enjoy that one I did.
- 1:18:08you got anything more?
- 1:18:10~ as bad as some things were, this was a lot of fun.
- 1:18:13I like this rivalry.
- 1:18:13It was. Yes. You have to say that.
- 1:18:16I like this rivalry a lot, and I'm glad that it was not like this is very organic.
- 1:18:21Yeah. Yes. I
- 1:18:21They finally figured it out themselves and yeah.
- 1:18:25would like a game to be entertaining for other reasons,
- 1:18:27but it was entertaining, although the long delays was was a bit much to sit back.
- 1:18:32The long delays are what made
- 1:18:33this a thousand times worse and just tempers
- 1:18:35Yes.
- 1:18:36made tempers flare even more. Thanks,
- 1:18:39Command Center.
- 1:18:40So I'm curious as heck, after this weird weekend,
- 1:18:44what are the power rankings? The MJ's official CFL Outsiders power rankings.
- 1:18:50Right, so number one is the elks,
- 1:18:54and you know what, after two weeks of getting crap for it,
- 1:18:57everyone else agreed with me.
- 1:18:59Yeah. I saw that
- 1:19:01last week in the ~ you were mentioning the stats geek has added us to his roundup
- 1:19:05and you were the only one that took the elks last week.
- 1:19:08Looking pretty prescient.
- 1:19:10Now who's right? I have the Lions at number two,
- 1:19:13I have the Alouettes at number three,
- 1:19:17the Bombers at number four, the Riders at number five,
- 1:19:22Argo's number six, Stampeders number seven,
- 1:19:26Tie Cats number eight, and Red Blacks number nine.
- 1:19:30Yes.
- 1:19:31I I have one quibble one
- 1:19:34Okay.
- 1:19:35disagreement and that's only that despite the fact that the game went
- 1:19:39the way that it did, I would flip the lions and the Als I'd still put
- 1:19:43the Als above the lions if it was me.
- 1:19:45But it's your show. You get to do it,
- 1:19:46Mm. did you see
- 1:19:47so
- 1:19:49them working on Alexander's calf and hip
- 1:19:51Yeah.
- 1:19:53and him hobbling a little? And I think I think BC has momentum now.
- 1:19:58And
- 1:19:58Maybe.
- 1:19:59that's dangerous.
- 1:20:00Maybe.
- 1:20:01I I don't know who they play through the rest of the season.
- 1:20:04That that'll make a difference.
- 1:20:06I know they've got Saskatchewan once.
- 1:20:08And I d I'm pretty sure they don't have Edmonton again.
- 1:20:11I wonder do I have that over here where I can find it quickly here?
- 1:20:16Let's see, week sixteen they don't play,
- 1:20:19I know that. Week seventeen. It is
- 1:20:23They've got Saskatchewan in week 17.
- 1:20:25Week 18. They have Toronto at Toronto,
- 1:20:30which, and Toronto does play not bad at home,
- 1:20:32but I don't they should be able to take that one.
- 1:20:34Then they have the Red Blacks in Ottawa,
- 1:20:37so that should be a win. And then they have Calgary.
- 1:20:41And then do they play the last week?
- 1:20:43They finish off against Winnipeg in BC.
- 1:20:46So yeah, it's
- 1:20:49It's certainly an easier schedule than Saskatchewan or Montreal has.
- 1:20:54Yeah.
- 1:20:55You know, so maybe, maybe.
- 1:20:57Someone pointed out
- 1:20:58that Montreal's only winning against like Toronto and Ottawa and like they haven't
- 1:21:03they're not beating like they haven't played enough of the big teams yet.
- 1:21:06Yeah. Yeah, well they're one and one with Edmonton.
- 1:21:07So
- 1:21:09Yeah.
- 1:21:10They're I think they're one in one with Winnipeg.
- 1:21:13I think they've played twice. They haven't played Saskatchewan yet.
- 1:21:17They're one in one with BC. So yeah,
- 1:21:20not dominant in that way. And yeah,
- 1:21:24it looks more and more like Alexander should be coming to a the games
- 1:21:28in a wheelchair.
- 1:21:30Yeah, they're have lost their returner.
- 1:21:31yeah.
- 1:21:33Okay, you've convinced me.
- 1:21:34You've convinced me. What the heck?
- 1:21:37Let's drop them down below the Argos.
- 1:21:39No, not quite that, because they still have a heck
- 1:21:39no. No no.
- 1:21:41of a team going around them there,
- 1:21:42yes. But it is Yeah.
- 1:21:43You're still f number one in the East for a reason.
- 1:21:47But there ik there is something to the argument that both them
- 1:21:51and Saskatchewan are sort of as looking as good as they are because they haven't
- 1:21:55played
- 1:21:56as much of the strong opposition yet and there will be more of that coming down
- 1:22:01the stretch for them. I mean if you look at Saskatchewan's got four games left
- 1:22:07and or five games left. And they play BC once,
- 1:22:11Montreal twice and Edmonton once.
- 1:22:13And then I think they get Toronto.
- 1:22:15So yeah. It could be a home playoff game could definitely be in question
- 1:22:21for the Riders.
- 1:22:22Be interesting to see if they start getting some of the injured players back.
- 1:22:25We know that at least one of them is out for the year.
- 1:22:28They're not going to have Milligan back this year.
- 1:22:30But if they get Campbell back on defense and a couple of receivers,
- 1:22:34who knows? Anyway, good job. Good job on those.
- 1:22:38We'll see how people react to it.
- 1:22:39We've been getting lots of fun reactions over on Reddit when I post them there.
- 1:22:44Yes.
- 1:22:45Very almost always biased by somebody who doesn't like the fact their team isn't
- 1:22:50where they want it to be. So I don't took
- 1:22:52I don't put too much credit in that.
- 1:22:52I feel like you
- 1:22:53know who's never mad right now about that?
- 1:22:55The TICAT and Red Blacks fans.
- 1:22:57Yes, yeah. Yeah,
- 1:22:59yes, yes. Yes. They say you've got us rated too high.
- 1:23:01We know. Yeah,
- 1:23:04actually can we all be number nine,
- 1:23:06please? Like no.
- 1:23:07Yes. Yeah. Yes. In fact
- 1:23:09someone in Reddit I can't don't have the name,
- 1:23:12I'm supposed I'm sorry, but someone in Reddit commented on your power ranking last
- 1:23:16week going, How do you how do you have nine rankings in an eight team league?
- 1:23:20So And I think they were an Ottawa fan.
- 1:23:23Yes.
- 1:23:24dear, I know.
- 1:23:26Don't worry, you're gonna win against the the riders,
- 1:23:29just like the Ty Cats did in 2003.
- 1:23:32Yes,
- 1:23:33yes. I I ~ well, I don't know,
- 1:23:36I don't don't know they the riders are done with them.
- 1:23:38But I have a feeling they may have a win coming up fairly soon.
- 1:23:39Yeah. It's just it. ~ they're not going winless
- 1:23:42because there's two other teams in in worse straits
- 1:23:45Yeah.
- 1:23:46than them right now.
- 1:23:48So let's talk about those games,
- 1:23:49but first let me do my injurier part real quick.
- 1:23:52~ Hamilton, Trey was limited the on day one.
- 1:23:55Full today apparently. The only other one sort of of note was Panabaker
- 1:24:01was did not participate.
- 1:24:03Edmonton, Mr. Rankin and Shonderek Powell.
- 1:24:08There is a weird first name to spell.
- 1:24:10It's got far too many letters in it.
- 1:24:12But Shonderek Powell and Rankin were both limited at practice today,
- 1:24:16so Yes.
- 1:24:16Are both of their running backs?
- 1:24:19And Leek is already out and so maybe Isaiah Smith out
- 1:24:22I don't
- 1:24:23of UBC gets some some playing time next week.
- 1:24:26We'll see.
- 1:24:26Dear dear.
- 1:24:27Toronto.
- 1:24:28Ryan Hunter and I can't remember his first name,
- 1:24:31Reimer. The two people who played right tackle for them in the last game where both
- 1:24:35did not participate. So maybe another new tackle for Noah Taylor
- 1:24:41and the the boys in Edmonton to come up against.
- 1:24:44And Coxie was limited.
- 1:24:46~ Ottawa, Bell, ~ Brian Cole,
- 1:24:50Aidan John, and ~ Sioni Tahima were all did not participate.
- 1:24:55So I don't know that Bell's a big loss.
- 1:24:59He hasn't contributed much this year,
- 1:25:00but the others are and Blaylock,
- 1:25:02who was one of the ones they've inserted into that defensive back end that
- 1:25:06did a bit better than the weekend,
- 1:25:07he was limited. So we'll see if he comes back.
- 1:25:09How is Bell not one of their big free agent signings that hasn't been cut?
- 1:25:13I don't understand that it makes
- 1:25:14I don't know. I have no idea. Save yourself a bunch
- 1:25:17of money there 'cause I think Adaboya was was has far outperformed him all season.
- 1:25:22But of all the people that Yeah,
- 1:25:23Hopefully next year they give him the start.
- 1:25:25Bring in a draft a good Canadian
- 1:25:25of all the people they've been firing and cutting.
- 1:25:28running back behind him and
- 1:25:30It's weird. Anyway.
- 1:25:31Yeah.
- 1:25:31and then Calgary. Again,
- 1:25:35first day, so we'll see. But Brissett and Mills on the offense were both
- 1:25:40did not participate. And as you said,
- 1:25:41it looked like Brissett is probably done for the season.
- 1:25:44Don't know with Mills, but he was a DNP.
- 1:25:47And on the back end, LaBrasse and Grant were both did not participate.
- 1:25:51So how will they do?
- 1:25:55Because they're up against Ottawa in Calgary.
- 1:25:58did you get the MJ two to send us any
- 1:26:01Yes, she has her picks.
- 1:26:03good. Okay. So let's go there.
- 1:26:05Montreal at Hamilton. Will Trey be playing?
- 1:26:09I'm gonna mention this. As much as I did not like the way that the team
- 1:26:15and his teammates handled when he got injured.
- 1:26:17I was thinking about it afterwards.
- 1:26:19The way that the teammates went rushing in there and bundled him up and
- 1:26:23got him off the field like everything's okay,
- 1:26:25nothing to see here, tells me.
- 1:26:28They want him in there a lot more than they want either of
- 1:26:31the other two quarterbacks in.
- 1:26:33The team seems to be behind Trey.
- 1:26:37Well, the team was behind Tre and Edmonton as well.
- 1:26:39Maybe, maybe he needs to get with a coach that doesn't just automatically devalue
- 1:26:44Canadian quarterbacks, but I don't know.
- 1:26:46Anyway, Montreal and Hamilton,
- 1:26:47let's start with MJ two. what did she say?
- 1:26:50She said the aloe. She's like,
- 1:26:51I'm not getting burned again by my love for the Thai cats.
- 1:26:54Yeah.
- 1:26:55Although who will Alexander have to be mad at to play well?
- 1:26:58Yes.
- 1:26:59Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. ~ he'll he'll probably find find a reason to pick
- 1:27:05a beef with ~ Katsantonis maybe.
- 1:27:07Maybe Witten McManus.
- 1:27:09Well, Witten he plays safety. I betcha maybe Witten and Alexander will
- 1:27:13be John at each other all game.
- 1:27:14Could be but
- 1:27:15b but but you never know. Maybe Hamilton decides to
- 1:27:18Well, Hamilton
- 1:27:19s needs to spend this week figuring out who on that defense is they need
- 1:27:23to designate a person to like get under his skin.
- 1:27:27Yeah.
- 1:27:28And maybe you do that by blitzing Katsantonis two or three times early.
- 1:27:32Maybe it's more about the trash talking and the little grab.
- 1:27:35Yeah, but Casentonis is pretty damn good at trash talking too.
- 1:27:35Like you just gotta find some I just feel like he's not on the line enough
- 1:27:38So if yeah, get get I don't know.
- 1:27:40to I think it has to be like every day
- 1:27:42every every play you're in his face and that it gets him him frustrated.
- 1:27:45I c I yeah. Yeah, I can
- 1:27:48you blitz him two or three times and he gets home once or twice and then
- 1:27:51he picks up one off off against him and that might do it.
- 1:27:55Who knows? Yeah, they it could be winton to ~ McManus does like to to talk as well.
- 1:28:00Yeah. how about you?
- 1:28:03A yeah, it's the Alouettes.
- 1:28:05Yes.
- 1:28:05I'm not a Ti cat fan, but even as one I wouldn't be able to go there.
- 1:28:10I think it's Montreal.
- 1:28:10Even
- 1:28:11if Alexander is not playing and it's Crumm they're still winning.
- 1:28:14Yeah. Yeah, probably. Although I really hope he's playing 'cause fantasy this week
- 1:28:20Who else do you take?
- 1:28:21'Cause the ti-cats
- 1:28:22defense has not played well. you you take
- 1:28:24No. They were were looking really
- 1:28:26good, but they've kind of fallen apart.
- 1:28:27But yeah, but I mean other than that,
- 1:28:29I I don't think you dare go with Kelly in fantasy this week 'cause that Edmonton
- 1:28:34defense is a ball hawking one and even though it's in Toronto,
- 1:28:38I he may get some yardage, but I bet he turns it over a bunch.
- 1:28:42Cody maybe, but Cody as much as he's fantastic at so many things,
- 1:28:47he's not always a great fantasy guy,
- 1:28:49so I dunno.
- 1:28:50You are forgetting about McLeod Bethel Thompson.
- 1:28:52Yeah. yeah, sure.
- 1:28:54Yes. Anyway, so we're we've all gone with Montreal.
- 1:28:58So let's
- 1:28:58Yeah.
- 1:28:59go on to that Edmonton Toronto game.
- 1:29:01I feel like I'm going to go with Edmonton,
- 1:29:05but I don't have the kind of confidence I'd like to have.
- 1:29:08Because despite this last week,
- 1:29:11one thing about Toronto is they generally play good at home.
- 1:29:16Edmonton's gotta travel across the country to go there and they've just come
- 1:29:20off of two wins against their traditional dry rivals and a big one where they
- 1:29:25put up a bunch of points. And does that what does that do for their
- 1:29:30their psyche. Are they prepared for this Toronto game or could this be a trap?
- 1:29:34I don't know. But I will still go with Edmonton 'cause they've earned that.
- 1:29:39Edmonton is winning their trap games.
- 1:29:41Yeah.
- 1:29:42So far.
- 1:29:44~ I think they're gonna make Chad Kelly's life he's gonna learn no lessons,
- 1:29:47and they're gonna make his life miserable,
- 1:29:49and they are going you just said it before,
- 1:29:53they score off their turnovers.
- 1:29:55Yes.
- 1:29:56So there's that. That is that's the difference there.
- 1:29:58If Kelly can keep his interceptions under control,
- 1:30:01I think they have a good chance of winning,
- 1:30:02but if he can't, elks are gonna make him pay.
- 1:30:04So I will take the Elks.
- 1:30:04Yeah. Yeah. I
- 1:30:06that's both of us. How about MJ two?
- 1:30:09She's like Argo suck. Elks.
- 1:30:10Okay, Alex,
- 1:30:11yeah. Yeah, I agree. I do think that Edmonton will win it,
- 1:30:14but I'd be a lot more confident if this game was even next week.
- 1:30:18It's just the timing of it and all.
- 1:30:21Watching this league for so long.
- 1:30:21They didn't even have to
- 1:30:22try this last game though. That turned
- 1:30:25Yeah.
- 1:30:25into a trap game where they didn't even have to do anything and they still won.
- 1:30:27Yeah, I know, but it's that can hurt ya.
- 1:30:28So I don't
- 1:30:30know, I have a I you know what I am a very high confidence that Mark Killum
- 1:30:34has this team ready for anything.
- 1:30:36That's the difference, I think.
- 1:30:39Yeah, yeah,
- 1:30:39that's true. The the coaching has been very good.
- 1:30:42So like like I said, I am picking them.
- 1:30:45Just there are bits about it that make my tummy a little bit grumbly.
- 1:30:49That takes us to the
- 1:30:50They barely
- 1:30:51beat the Red Blacks.
- 1:30:53Yes.
- 1:30:54Like barely. A team that's full of UFL players right now.
- 1:30:59Like it's just mmm stupid Argos.
- 1:31:00Yep. Speaking
- 1:31:01So bad.
- 1:31:03of the red blacks, they're going into Calgary.
- 1:31:05We'll let you pick this one first.
- 1:31:07~ I'm picking I'm picking the red blacks.
- 1:31:11my.
- 1:31:12I think if they don't win this one,
- 1:31:14they'll win the next one against Calgary.
- 1:31:15But they are winning one against Calgary.
- 1:31:17I think it's this one. I don't think
- 1:31:19Again, why are the stamps so good on paper and so bad in execution?
- 1:31:24Red Blacks are so bad on paper,
- 1:31:26but I think they're gonna execute actually better because I think McLeod Bethel
- 1:31:29is gonna strap a team on his back and like yell and scream at them into like
- 1:31:33Yeah.
- 1:31:33winning this game.
- 1:31:34Yeah. and the Red Blacks as a team and Dinwies as a coach go does
- 1:31:39d well against Calgary. But how what did MJ two say?
- 1:31:44she said the stamps, but she's like I think Ottawa will make this uncomfortably
- 1:31:48close in the fourth quarter.
- 1:31:49Yes.
- 1:31:50Yeah. The only thing that it would take for me to confidently
- 1:31:56say red blacks would have been if they flipped the home and home.
- 1:32:00If this game was in Ottawa, I'd be saying,
- 1:32:04Yeah, this is their first win for sure.
- 1:32:06Calgary makes it a little bit tighter,
- 1:32:08but the other thing is will Calgary have Mills back?
- 1:32:12I don't and will VA be playing?
- 1:32:15Yeah. Mind you, Love almost looked like a better quarterback in his game than
- 1:32:18If if love is playing, I think they actually
- 1:32:19VA has.
- 1:32:20if if love is playing, I think they win this game.
- 1:32:23also I think for Ottawa there's less pressure not being at home.
- 1:32:26That's why I would pick them to win this game versus their home game,
- 1:32:29because at home there's just that extra layer of
- 1:32:31that's
- 1:32:32a good point I hadn't thought about.
- 1:32:33Regardless, I am taking the Red Blacks 'cause I they've I think it's
- 1:32:38You are taking the red blacks.
- 1:32:38the first time I've taken them all season.
- 1:32:40Okay, so the
- 1:32:40Yep.
- 1:32:42red we're we're picking red blacks to win.
- 1:32:44I think it's gonna
- 1:32:44Yes, we are. It
- 1:32:46happen.
- 1:32:47it feels like it to me. It feels like there's
- 1:32:49Yeah.
- 1:32:50that the the this there's just been enough li their defense has started
- 1:32:54to come together with all the changes in the last couple of games.
- 1:32:57it their starting MBT who is not a world leading quarterback anymore,
- 1:33:04but he is better than Maier and he moved the team better than Maier I
- 1:33:10to tell you the truth, I don't think that team has ever been behind.
- 1:33:13behind Jake Maier as a quarterback.
- 1:33:14I think the the first thing that went wrong was when Dinwiddy put him
- 1:33:20up instead of Brown and I get the feeling the team was saying Brown.
- 1:33:23And so yeah,
- 1:33:26we'll see. But okay, so so yeah,
- 1:33:29so the podcast picks Ottawa. Woo
- 1:33:33And that's it. That's a wrap.
- 1:33:34It's just for fun.
- 1:33:35Any closing thoughts?
- 1:33:37Yeah, just on a little serious note here,
- 1:33:40go go support women's sports. between the Oilers,
- 1:33:43the Sydney Sween ad and what happened to Holly Rowe this week,
- 1:33:46this has been a tough week for women athletes and women in general.
- 1:33:51Go go support women's sports. I mean,
- 1:33:53yeah, they need they need your support and they're incredible athletes
- 1:33:58and they're doing amazing things.
- 1:33:59Yeah, you can find me over on Instagram and then ~ I will actually be able
- 1:34:04to watch some football this week 'cause I will not be traveling
- 1:34:07and hosting parties and going to games.
- 1:34:09over on in Blue Sky at Sports and Plants.
- 1:34:12Yes, exactly.
- 1:34:13And and there's only three games and they're spread out over a couple of days.
- 1:34:17It it's
- 1:34:17Yes, I yeah.
- 1:34:19funny you mentioned that about supporting women's athletes.
- 1:34:22I agree with that. And it also occurred to me,
- 1:34:24you know, I have not paid even a whit of attention to the Western women's Canadian
- 1:34:30Football League yet this year.
- 1:34:31it's hard to get any actual footage of games or anything,
- 1:34:35but I usually try to pay attention.
- 1:34:37So
- 1:34:37maybe see if I remember to do a bit of a dive over that week and maybe next week
- 1:34:41I will talk women's football for a little bit.
- 1:34:44Love to
- 1:34:45See where give them some promotion,
- 1:34:47see where they're at. Yeah. But that's it.
- 1:34:50And yes, for me, I don't know what else to say.
- 1:34:53It's it will not be d the same next weekend.
- 1:34:57Hopefully it's gonna be some good football,
- 1:34:59but it will not be the same. And and unfortunately,
- 1:35:04the other thing when you look at this,
- 1:35:06yeah, they're not at the top right now.
- 1:35:09Edmonton is
- 1:35:10I think pretty undeniably the the class of the league at this point.
- 1:35:14But Winnipeg, and Saskatchewan are still three very good teams in this league,
- 1:35:20and none of them are in games this weekend.
- 1:35:22So that makes me wonder how exciting will it be?
- 1:35:26But maybe being a negative Nelly.
- 1:35:28Tie cats are playing, it's very exciting.
- 1:35:28Yes, that's true. That's true.
- 1:35:31The Redblacks
- 1:35:32are gonna get their first win,
- 1:35:33that's gonna be exciting.
- 1:35:35Yeah. Yes.
- 1:35:36Yeah, that's true. It doesn't have to be good football to be exciting football as
- 1:35:40Tyrell
- 1:35:40four is gonna intercept Kelly like four times.
- 1:35:43It's gonna be
- 1:35:43Yeah.
- 1:35:44good. It's gonna be good.
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