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Buck Showalter joins Birdland · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into a new addition of Birdland Territory. Steve,
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Speaker 1: Brad and Tim and are three man. That grouping has
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Speaker 1: been joined by a fourth who needs no introduction, but
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Speaker 1: we'll give him one briefly. Bucks show Walter, the former
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Speaker 1: skipper the Orioles seventeen hundred wins managing is the second
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Speaker 1: winning is manager in Oiel history, behind the great Earl
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Speaker 1: Weaver and Buck. You guys had some special times in Birdland.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you being our first guest on Birdland Territory.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today.
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Speaker 2: Really well, thanks for asking.
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Speaker 3: Nobody's that busy and nobody's that important for sure, but
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Speaker 3: got a couple of my favorite guys.
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Speaker 2: Brad made us all look real smart. You know.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to a coach the other day for
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Speaker 3: another club. I said, if somebody walked in there and
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Speaker 3: asked you a question why you guys were struggling, what
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Speaker 3: would you tell me? Goes well, Number one is we
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Speaker 3: don't have very good players. Number two, our players aren't
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Speaker 3: very good. Number three, our players aren't very good. We
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Speaker 3: had really good players. See, we had good players, and
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Speaker 3: the smartest thing you do is get out of their
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Speaker 3: way and let them play.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you look back on your tenure, Man,
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Speaker 1: I think people might forget that. I mean, you inherited
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Speaker 1: forty games under that team was really really struggling back
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Speaker 1: in twenty ten. When you took over, immediately you guys
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Speaker 1: had winning record and then of course three playoffs and
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Speaker 1: so many wings. The place was rocking, Delman Youngstead, I
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Speaker 1: mean so many. It was just so much fun to
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Speaker 1: be around oriel baseball. Whether you're a media fan whatever,
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Speaker 1: But what are some of the memories that jumped the
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Speaker 1: top of mind when you think about being in the
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Speaker 1: dugout in Baltimore?
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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Stee. You know, looking back on it, it was
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Speaker 3: so special to kind of live it through the players,
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Speaker 3: you know, and I used to love to take in
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Speaker 3: you know, they're you know, satisfaction and getting a return
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Speaker 3: for what they were doing.
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Speaker 2: You know, this may sound crazy.
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Speaker 3: I remember getting off the bus Brad, do you remember
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Speaker 3: this at Camden Yards in twenty fourteen after we had
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Speaker 3: swept the Tigers and the turnout of the fans let
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Speaker 3: and the players walking through that gauntlet of fans. It
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Speaker 3: kind of because we got back the next day. Because
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Speaker 3: you don't know if you're gonna winn or lose that game,
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Speaker 3: so you need make the reservation for that night at
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Speaker 3: the hotel. And I just sat remember then the flip
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Speaker 3: side of that are getting eliminated, and that saved group
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Speaker 3: of people waiting on us when we got back from
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Speaker 3: Kansas City. Those are little things that probably don't sound
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Speaker 3: I don't know, cool, but that's what sticks in my mind.
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Speaker 3: It's a snapshot of Oriel fans. They just want you
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Speaker 3: to be good, and they want you to be something
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Speaker 3: that they can trust. When they're staying up late at
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Speaker 3: night when you're playing the Mariners on the West Coast
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Speaker 3: and they're late and tired for work the next day,
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Speaker 3: it matters to them and they'ren't asking much.
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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of heirs in Baltimore. I love it.
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Speaker 3: They don't think about how big your car is or
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Speaker 3: how big your house, how much money you got. They
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Speaker 3: just you know, Steve, you know they that's been passed
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Speaker 3: down for generation and generation. It's a special place for baseball.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it really was. And I honestly forgot about that
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Speaker 4: until you just said it and gave me chills thinking
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Speaker 4: about it. When we walked off that bus and just
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Speaker 4: having that era it was just it was I mean,
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Speaker 4: I think it was when I always think about the
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Speaker 4: Doma Young double, But I was thinking this morning of
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Speaker 4: that story in Detroit. Zach started that ninth inning against
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Speaker 4: the Tigers, Game three with two doubles, and I just
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Speaker 4: remember hearing the story of you coming out to the
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Speaker 4: mound and you're telling we're gonna walk in Cassis, You're
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Speaker 4: gonna put the winning run on first base. Do you
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Speaker 4: remember that at all or can you kind of recollect
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Speaker 4: about that? Because I thought that was one of the
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Speaker 4: cooler stories, just thinking this morning.
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Speaker 3: You know, when I was, when we were, you know,
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Speaker 3: I was getting ready for that series. The matchup I
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Speaker 3: didn't like, and there weren't many matchups that I didn't like.
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Speaker 2: With Zach. I didn't like.
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Speaker 3: Castle longas he's a down hitter, lowball one typically for
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Speaker 3: a right hand hitter. You know, he smothered the ball
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Speaker 3: up and didn't do a whole lot of damage, but
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Speaker 3: the ball down, and I just and I said to myself,
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Speaker 3: boring that series, I have a chance to keep him
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Speaker 3: from hurt us against Zach, I was.
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Speaker 2: Going to do it. And sure enough, here it came.
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Speaker 3: Now, if you remember, right, they had pinshit earlier in
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Speaker 3: the game and the people hitting in the bottom of
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Speaker 3: order and their pinchhitter, there wasn't a whole lot of
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Speaker 3: damage behind him there, So you know, what do you
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Speaker 3: call it whistling.
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Speaker 2: In the graveyard?
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Speaker 3: When I went out there, I said, here's what we're
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Speaker 3: going to do, is Zach, We're gonna walk this guy.
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Speaker 3: You know, Zach didn't want to walk anybody, but I
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Speaker 3: didn't give him much choice. That's you know, you don't
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Speaker 3: want to put him in that in that spot. These
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Speaker 3: guys had always ask a picture if they want to
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Speaker 3: walk somebody, well, if your picture's not very good, if
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Speaker 3: he says yes, I do you know, that's your job.
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Speaker 3: That's not that's not their job. And I said, we're
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Speaker 3: going to get this guy to roll over the ground
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Speaker 3: ball here, We're going to get on the bus and
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Speaker 3: go home. And and I'm leaving the mount.
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Speaker 2: I go, I don't know about that, you know, but I.
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Speaker 3: Remember Ryan Flairt he was playing third, said it's a
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Speaker 3: ball one hopping and he was getting ready to throw
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Speaker 3: on the second he went.
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Speaker 2: Are you shipting me? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: That's I remember talking to Flash about that, and he
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Speaker 4: was just like the guy came out and was just like,
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Speaker 4: we're gonna walk a ready ground ball and we're gonna
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Speaker 4: end this thing and go back home. And I just
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Speaker 4: that was so cool. Obviously it worked out the way
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Speaker 4: it did, But uh.
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Speaker 3: I've had something that didn't. Did you you know the
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Speaker 3: Delman Young game? Had you pitched in that game? I
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Speaker 3: haven't looked at the box lately.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was the pitcher that ended that
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Speaker 4: that inning before that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So you know what's funny about that is,
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Speaker 3: you know this is the way bullpens. Our bullpen worked.
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Speaker 3: There didn't need to be a phone call made. Dom
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Speaker 3: chety knew the situation. Brad, I mean Zach would be
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Speaker 3: on the mound with a ball. There were Steve, there
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Speaker 3: were three calls we made. We made a a red,
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Speaker 3: which was get the ball, get your jacket off, get
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Speaker 3: on the rubber if you're not throwing. But we didn't
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Speaker 3: want to draw home anybody, but be ready so we
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Speaker 3: don't have to go through. If you got to use
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Speaker 3: the bathroom, go to the bathroom. Everything was read and then
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Speaker 3: there was a kind of a yellow where you got
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Speaker 3: going and there's a chance you might go in. Then
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Speaker 3: if you got the green, you were in the game
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Speaker 3: and you were not going to be dry humped, so
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Speaker 3: I didn't even have to call down to the bullpen.
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Speaker 3: I remember as Delman as JJ slid across home plate,
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Speaker 3: I glanced up at the bullpen and Dom already had
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Speaker 3: him throwing. But that's the cohesionve cohesiveness of a bullpen
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Speaker 3: that I don't see as much anymore.
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Speaker 2: If I walked in a ballpark and want to look.
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Speaker 3: At one thing to tell me, if a manager knew
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Speaker 3: what he was doing, I'd watch his bullpen.
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Speaker 2: I just watch how he gets his guys up and down.
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Speaker 1: Very interesting. Buck Showalter is with us our first guest
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Speaker 1: on Birdland Territory. Tim, I want you to fire a
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Speaker 1: question here, but let's keep the show on time and
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Speaker 1: we'll continue with Buck Showalter in a minute here on
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Speaker 1: Gold Birdland Territory with you today again with Steve brad
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Speaker 1: And and Tim talking with Buck Show wafter and Tim.
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Speaker 2: You're up.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Bucky, you were talking about the bullpen and when
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Speaker 7: you think of the twenty twelve through sixteen teams, you
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Speaker 7: think of just the thump in that lineup. There were
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Speaker 7: four straight years of your guys leading the league in
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Speaker 7: American leading the league in homers for an individual in
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Speaker 7: the American League that the bullpen was lights out, you know,
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Speaker 7: in particular twenty fourteen. When you think of Brad and
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Speaker 7: you think Andrew Miller, you think of Darren O'Day, Zach
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Speaker 7: Britten and so on and so forth, Like how much
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Speaker 7: of a luxury is that for a manager having that
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Speaker 7: caliber of bullpen?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there were certain things that when we
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Speaker 3: were we talk a lot about who are we and
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Speaker 3: how are we going to do it? You know, when
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Speaker 3: we got mister Angelos to put us on par with
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Speaker 3: the Yankees with the salaries for six year free agents,
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Speaker 3: Well we could get those guys like Steve Pearce and
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Speaker 3: different guys. There's no way any team should out opportunity and.
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Speaker 2: We could out.
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Speaker 3: We talked a lot about what could we do that
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Speaker 3: the Yankees and the other teams with the bigger payrolls
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Speaker 3: couldn't do. We get out relationship, we could out coach,
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Speaker 3: we could out you know, opportunity people, we could out
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Speaker 3: and you know, developing them of players. And I think
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Speaker 3: putting those bullfens together and making runs matter is a
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Speaker 3: big mentality for a team to not think how many
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Speaker 3: are enough? Tonight there's a real inconsistency there and the
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Speaker 3: versatility of it. You know, Darren wasn't just a right
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Speaker 3: I mean, Brad wasn't a right on the right guy.
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Speaker 2: And later on Darren O'Day.
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Speaker 3: Figured out with that little upshoot he had, Brad was
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Speaker 3: he figured out a way to defend himself against left
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Speaker 3: handed hitters, and Zach against right hand hitters, and Jim
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Speaker 3: Johnson a lot of people forget how good he was,
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Speaker 3: and Michael Gibbons was a piece for us.
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Speaker 2: Down there, but you know, we knew.
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Speaker 3: And you know when I watched some of the teams
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Speaker 3: today without going into the Oriel teams, but if you
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Speaker 3: look at J. J. Hardy, Mannimachiado, John Chris Davis, Markkus
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Speaker 3: and Jones and the Waters, all those guys are plus defenders.
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Speaker 3: If the ball stayed in the ballpark, we were going
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Speaker 3: to catch it and we were going to turn two
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Speaker 3: outs with one batted ball in the middle of the diamond.
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Speaker 3: And that was one of our prerequisites. That's who we were.
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Speaker 3: We were going to catch the ball and play defense,
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Speaker 3: and we were going to put together a bullpen that
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Speaker 3: would make runs matter. And nowadays, I just don't think
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Speaker 3: with all the analytics that they really know how to
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Speaker 3: evaluate defense. Really, I think that's one of the big
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Speaker 3: challenges they have, is trying to properly and that really
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Speaker 3: requires eyeballs from people that know what they're looking at.
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Speaker 2: Buck.
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Speaker 1: One of the most special times for me being around
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Speaker 1: the Orioles as a kid who grew up loving the
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Speaker 1: Oriols in Baltimore got to cover my hometown team was
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Speaker 1: the Statue ceremonies twenty twelve. Watching those great parade there
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Speaker 1: and people cheer him, and how you and your team
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Speaker 1: embraced those guys made it even better. And Earl Weaver,
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Speaker 1: I think the night I try to remember, I tried
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Speaker 1: to find this quote, but I think Arl might have
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Speaker 1: said something like, my statue looks like Buck, you know,
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Speaker 1: and everybody just loved that because they were loving what
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Speaker 1: you were doing. But they loved this guy forever, and
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Speaker 1: of course he sensed his past. But I mean, what
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Speaker 1: was it like you getting to know at the end
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Speaker 1: of his life a little better than probably you had.
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Speaker 2: Earl Weaver.
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Speaker 3: You know, we invited him down the Spring Train and
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Speaker 3: we weren't sure of his health and everything he was
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Speaker 3: going to take us up on it, but he made
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Speaker 3: it over there.
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Speaker 2: Steve, and I gotta tell you.
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Speaker 3: After a couple of cups of black coffee, putting him
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Speaker 3: in the golf cart and going around to the.
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Speaker 2: Drills, it was on. Let me tell you, it was on.
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Speaker 3: And he was talking about different stuff and how you
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Speaker 3: should cover first and a relaye in the right field
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Speaker 3: corner with one out and the man on first.
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Speaker 2: I told him we had a back door pick.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: For years the Oils ran a pickoff system with Earl
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Speaker 3: where they would put five was the pick. One was
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Speaker 3: back door first base, Five to two was second base,
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Speaker 3: and you would hit which short stop for second base
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Speaker 3: and was covering five to three was a picket third
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Speaker 3: you know from the picture. So five was the pick system.
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Speaker 3: I remember seeing it in Rochester and Charlotte. I would
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Speaker 3: see five when I was on second day. So we
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Speaker 3: set up running a back door pick at first base.
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Speaker 3: The easter running with Eddie Murray all the time. But
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Speaker 3: we ran a pick play and Earl was sitting right
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Speaker 3: next to doug Out. I said, Earl, here comes one
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Speaker 3: of your play and we ran that back door pick
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Speaker 3: and I thought, Earl, that was one of the happiest
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Speaker 3: moments ever seeing that play executed by Earl. That's what
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Speaker 3: I remember when I think about it. But he meant
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Speaker 3: so much to so many people, and he was special.
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Speaker 3: He treated me well, and I'm proud of the way
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Speaker 3: we treated him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. I can't help but think when I
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Speaker 4: think about your career and when you started back in
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Speaker 4: the nineties with the Yankees and finish here recently with
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Speaker 4: the Mets, what do you think is the biggest difference
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Speaker 4: of when you were managing with the Yankees back in
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Speaker 4: the nineties to when you finished in New York at
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Speaker 4: your last managing job.
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Speaker 3: I think the prerequisite for a lot of field experience
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Speaker 3: of home field not nearly as much as people think.
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Speaker 2: Brad. You know the things you still have to do
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Speaker 2: to be successful.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we were doing analytics type stuff back and
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Speaker 3: my wife used to keep the charts and we would
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Speaker 3: put it in a big notebook.
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Speaker 2: She'll tell you a dotted.
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Speaker 3: Line for ground ball, a hump back for a fly ball,
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Speaker 3: streat line for line drive, and she would I would
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Speaker 3: bring home the thing and she would try all the games.
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Speaker 3: This is a New York penal league, and we would
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Speaker 3: set our defense accordingly. Now that's five or six at
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Speaker 3: that's compared to you know, this computer system that kicks
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Speaker 3: out hundreds, so it should be better. But you know,
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Speaker 3: we were carrying match up sheets around and looking at
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Speaker 3: guy's history against certain hitters, and it's not as it
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Speaker 3: changed as near as much as people think it as.
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Speaker 3: It's still I think, you know, we're all looking at
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Speaker 3: the same numbers. It just depends on what an organization
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Speaker 3: chooses to wait. Nobody's invented some new stat that makes
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Speaker 3: you better. You've got all these different tools. Well, which
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Speaker 3: one do you do you choose.
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Speaker 2: To wait on?
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Speaker 3: Base percentage? Do you choose to wait? Spin rate? Do
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Speaker 3: you choose to wait? Zone ratings? And defense?
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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you which one are you going
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Speaker 2: to chase?
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Speaker 3: Uh, it's still about some of the absolutes you have
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Speaker 3: to be good at, though.
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Speaker 7: Buck, I'm sure you saw Ben McDonald's comments on on
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Speaker 7: masson after the game and basically, and I agree with it.
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Speaker 7: It's kind of a bottom line thing where the numbers
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Speaker 7: are the numbers, and sometimes it can get to a
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Speaker 7: point where it's paralysis by analysis. But you know, at
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Speaker 7: the end of the day, it's it's baseball. Like you're saying, Buck,
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Speaker 7: the game itself hasn't changed. We're just kind of getting
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Speaker 7: all of this extra information that maybe muddies it up
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Speaker 7: some Well, someone.
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Speaker 3: Said with the time, the game is a heartbeat, and
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Speaker 3: you better stay true to the heartbeat. I gotta tell
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Speaker 3: you I don't. I heard about Ben's saying and the
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Speaker 3: apology stuff he was trying to do the next day.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure someone called him about it. But I don't watch.
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Speaker 3: Massing a lot now that Steve and Brad aren't at
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Speaker 3: Brad's on there. Steve, I might watch it a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't have much lure. I talked to palmer a the
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Speaker 3: other day. He's not doing as many games as you
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Speaker 3: used to. But uh, you know been uh been a
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Speaker 3: voice of an opinion that has shared by a lot
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Speaker 3: of people.
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Speaker 1: Yes, interesting stuff, and so I think you're right, Buck.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's so it's like, what are you going
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Speaker 1: to use to be better? And then sometimes he gets
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Speaker 1: back to did you advance the runner? Did you keep
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Speaker 1: the double play?
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Speaker 2: In order? Things? True?
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Speaker 1: Fifty years ago?
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Speaker 3: You know, Steve, I used to when Brad was with us,
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Speaker 3: I would do a thing called analytics for Dummies. I
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Speaker 3: would take our most grizzled baseball guy. At that point,
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Speaker 3: I think it was Donald cheety that year, and I'd
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Speaker 3: had him go sit upstairs with all of Danduquette's people
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Speaker 3: that all the people we had, they're not you know, it's.
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Speaker 2: A skeletal crew.
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Speaker 3: But we still had a lot of analytics and basically
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Speaker 3: take the cloak off of this thing that nobody understood.
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Speaker 3: And I would get our thirty on field guys and
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Speaker 3: we would I said, dom, I wants you to tell
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Speaker 3: us what it tells you, then tell us what it
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Speaker 3: doesn't tell you. Don't use abbreviations, you know, if it's
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Speaker 3: a zone rating, tell me exactly what it is. And
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Speaker 3: all the coaches would go Terry Crowley would go, wow,
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Speaker 3: that's all it is.
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Speaker 2: I said, yeah, let's let's put steer in.
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Speaker 3: It and embrace it and understand it as much as
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Speaker 3: they do. There's a lot of things that you understand
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Speaker 3: that they don't understand. I remember the first time I
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Speaker 3: heard John scope it over on other field. I said,
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Speaker 3: who's that kid over there? They said, and they said
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Speaker 3: something about exit. I said, yeah, I don't need to
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Speaker 3: look at the exit Colossie. I can hear him. There's
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Speaker 3: a clean click that good hitters make. Well, that's not
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Speaker 3: their fault. If they don't have that experience, so you know,
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Speaker 3: embrace them.
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Speaker 3: Ask you at the end of it, how does it
17:21
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Speaker 2: I want you to tell us how to how to
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Speaker 1: You know, I think Buck and the players and staff
18:41
Speaker 1: of his era are remembered for so many things, but
18:44
Speaker 1: among them. In twenty twelve and the Oil's got to
18:47
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Stan been there in fourteen years. This city
18:50
Speaker 1: and this fan base needed postseason, and Buck and the
18:54
Speaker 1: Birds got there two years later, first day out of
18:57
Speaker 1: the East. And since nineteen ninety seven, I mean been
19:00
Speaker 1: a minute. And Brad you were part of all that,
19:02
Speaker 1: and you got another question to comment for Buck.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think back to our teams, with the
19:07
Speaker 4: amount of time we spent on the little things and
19:10
Speaker 4: on the backfield, we were doing the plays until we
19:13
Speaker 4: got it right over and over. Why do you think
19:15
Speaker 4: there is this I guess nonchalantness with fundamentals and getting
19:21
Speaker 4: the things right. It kind of just seems like that
19:23
Speaker 4: has gone by the wayside. I thought, coming to an
19:24
Speaker 4: American League TEAMO, We're not gonna work on bun plays
19:27
Speaker 4: a lot that doesn't really happen. But we worked on
19:29
Speaker 4: that over and over until we got it right. And
19:31
Speaker 4: I can just think back to how many games we
19:33
Speaker 4: won based off of keeping them from getting the extra
19:36
Speaker 4: ninety Do you know, do you have any reason why
19:39
Speaker 4: that stuff has kind of just been on the back
19:41
Speaker 4: burner now? Is it because of the analytics stuff or
19:43
Speaker 4: the just I don't know. We watch these games with
19:46
Speaker 4: the orials and it's just the fundamentals just kind of
19:49
Speaker 4: seemed to be not the same as they used to be.
19:52
Speaker 3: You know, Brad, that's a good I get that. Somebody
19:55
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't get mad at the players.
19:57
Speaker 3: It's not their fault. It's not their fault, you know,
20:00
Speaker 3: shame on you for not you know, I think down
20:03
Speaker 3: deep they want to embrace things like that. I can
20:06
Speaker 3: remember back in my early years managing as we would,
20:09
Speaker 3: we were required to meet in front of the dugout
20:11
Speaker 3: and go over yesterday's all the things that allowed us
20:15
Speaker 3: to win or lose, what allowed them to win or
20:17
Speaker 3: lose the other team, and we would dissect it instead
20:19
Speaker 3: of you know, we all want to go to what
20:21
Speaker 3: happened in the ninth inn and well, something happened in the
20:23
Speaker 3: second inning that won or lost that ballgame. And you
20:27
Speaker 3: know there's six basic team defenses and you don't do
20:31
Speaker 3: them too. You get them right, you do them too,
20:33
Speaker 3: you can't get them wrong. And we you know, Brad,
20:36
Speaker 3: we didn't stay on the field forever, but there was
20:38
Speaker 3: a certain you know, see, we used to go from
20:41
Speaker 3: we would start with the staff meeting in the morning. Okay,
20:43
Speaker 3: today we're going over rundowns. And then we would go
20:47
Speaker 3: into the room, the big room we put in in Sarasota,
20:50
Speaker 3: and go over it with the players so we could execute.
20:53
Speaker 3: And I didn't want a bunch of people popping their
20:55
Speaker 3: lips out on the field.
20:57
Speaker 2: You know, it was supposed to be execution of the play.
20:59
Speaker 3: And then so there were three parts there every day,
21:01
Speaker 3: and we did, you know, the coaching staff had to
21:03
Speaker 3: be together and how we were going to teach it.
21:05
Speaker 3: The players had to have an understanding of what we expected.
21:08
Speaker 3: Then you went on the field and the executed the play.
21:10
Speaker 3: And then, as Brad remembers, we used to do a
21:13
Speaker 3: pope Porie at the end of the spring where we
21:15
Speaker 3: would do all the team defenses rapid fire, because you
21:20
Speaker 3: think you've got them on pield seven on the back field,
21:23
Speaker 3: but until you can do them at call and execute them. Okay, Brad,
21:28
Speaker 3: first and second back door pick at first base. Okay,
21:32
Speaker 3: ground ball back to you. It's a one two, you know,
21:35
Speaker 3: three double play. Just the rapid fire po Poria. And
21:40
Speaker 3: Brad will remember we used to go down to a
21:42
Speaker 3: theater the night before the first workout started and we
21:45
Speaker 3: would go over all the expectations and all the things
21:48
Speaker 3: because the thing that players hate is the unknown. Just
21:53
Speaker 3: explain to them exactly what's going on where you know,
21:56
Speaker 3: what's so expression. If you lie to somebody, they'll never
21:58
Speaker 3: forgive you. But if you're straight up tell the truth,
22:00
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about it. So, you know,
22:03
Speaker 3: I think when the players took the field there was
22:05
Speaker 3: a freedom in their brain about what was expected of them.
22:08
Speaker 3: I know, we got bred over in the trade. We
22:12
Speaker 3: felt like he could be a piece in our pin and.
22:14
Speaker 2: He was Buck.
22:18
Speaker 7: Steve just mentioned the twenty twelve season and just how
22:21
Speaker 7: special that was in Baltimore, because, like Steve mentioned earlier,
22:25
Speaker 7: when you came in end of July and twenty ten,
22:28
Speaker 7: this organization wasn't exactly in a good shape in the
22:32
Speaker 7: midst of fourteen consecutive losing seasons. But something that made
22:36
Speaker 7: that twenty twelve team so special is they were historically
22:39
Speaker 7: great in close games. Twenty nine and nine and one
22:43
Speaker 7: run games. They were sixteen and two in extra inning games. Yeah,
22:48
Speaker 7: what what made yeah, what made that team so good
22:52
Speaker 7: in close game situations?
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Speaker 3: I think they knew, all things being equal, they had
22:57
Speaker 3: a confidence about they were not going to when their
23:00
Speaker 3: fingers on the trigger. They knew that they were prepared
23:03
Speaker 3: to execute the things that happened in close games that
23:07
Speaker 3: separates you, and they embraced them. And there's so many
23:13
Speaker 3: that Actually some of that started at the end of
23:15
Speaker 3: twenty eleven the way we finished the season, and I
23:19
Speaker 3: think it carried on. They got a taste of it,
23:21
Speaker 3: and you know, it was a hunger. The hunger of
23:25
Speaker 3: that team matched the hunger of the fan and it
23:27
Speaker 3: was a great coming together. I remember the last out
23:31
Speaker 3: in Texas, it was and I tell you, if we'd
23:34
Speaker 3: had instant replaced Steve, we probably we might have beat
23:37
Speaker 3: the Yankees because Nate mcloss ball toocked the foul pole
23:39
Speaker 3: down there and we had no way to not that
23:41
Speaker 3: I remember it, but you know, we had the Yankees
23:46
Speaker 3: on the ropes there. I remember we beat them in
23:48
Speaker 3: Game four at their stadium and put them on their heels,
23:55
Speaker 3: you know, But not that I remember anything, you know,
24:00
Speaker 3: and his group though, I remember Family Day, how big
24:02
Speaker 3: it was for our guys, you know, getting to know
24:05
Speaker 3: their families. And my wife was involved with the wives,
24:08
Speaker 3: and there was just a unity among the organization. And
24:13
Speaker 3: I'm not saying nobody's got that now. I'm just I
24:16
Speaker 3: know what worked for us. We couldn't not be good
24:19
Speaker 3: at those things if we wanted to compete with these
24:21
Speaker 3: teams that had a lot more payroll than we did.
24:24
Speaker 3: And it was painful when we had to, you know,
24:26
Speaker 3: turn it over. It was tough trading guys like bread.
24:30
Speaker 3: It was not fun for me.
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Speaker 1: Hey, in twenty twelve, at the Yankees don't have a
24:35
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollar pitcher. Maybe the Orioles win that,
24:38
Speaker 1: Not that anybody in Birdland remembers that, like to this
24:40
Speaker 1: day or anything, that they had all the money to
24:43
Speaker 1: spend to get the guy that made the difference in
24:45
Speaker 1: the series. We you know, we don't remember that like
24:48
Speaker 1: it happened yesterday. But Buck, here's what I want to
24:50
Speaker 1: ask you, man managers today twenty twenty six, social media
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Speaker 1: age two press conferences at day. Everybody's got a show,
24:59
Speaker 1: everybody he's got a hot take. Everybody who knows how
25:02
Speaker 1: to make out the lineup man? How do they balance
25:05
Speaker 1: that and at times be the player's friend and at
25:09
Speaker 1: other times be his boss.
25:11
Speaker 2: But you know, one you got to embrace it. You know.
25:14
Speaker 3: I did it twice a day for almost seven or
25:16
Speaker 3: eight months, okay, and it was a can do it
25:19
Speaker 3: to the fans. But something I learned too. It was
25:22
Speaker 3: only like a ten minute delay, and I would do
25:24
Speaker 3: it at camping yards. One of the first things we did,
25:26
Speaker 3: Steve was move it out of the locker room, and
25:29
Speaker 3: we wanted to make that film room and advance room,
25:31
Speaker 3: so we moved it down to the Jilliary locker room.
25:33
Speaker 3: If you remember, he used to do it right there.
25:35
Speaker 3: When I got there, I go, we're not doing this anymore.
25:37
Speaker 3: This is a player's locker room, it's not.
25:39
Speaker 2: Now.
25:40
Speaker 3: I actually made the locker room smaller instead of bigger,
25:42
Speaker 3: so we could put a dining room in the back.
25:45
Speaker 3: But you know, I would go down there and now
25:47
Speaker 3: I would come back and be a ten minute delay,
25:49
Speaker 3: and there'd be a lot of the players sitting around
25:51
Speaker 3: watching the press conference, and it hit me how much
25:54
Speaker 3: they watched this, So you could you know the tenor
25:57
Speaker 3: in which you talk to people and the fans.
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Speaker 2: You need to embrace it. Now.
26:01
Speaker 3: I never read articles. I never watched any TV interview,
26:07
Speaker 3: not that they weren't good. I just I didn't want
26:09
Speaker 3: to interact with those people every day and listen to.
26:12
Speaker 2: Every little thing they were writing or saying.
26:15
Speaker 3: So I would walk in with Monica or Christian Hudek
26:18
Speaker 3: and I would say, hey, before we walk in, here
26:20
Speaker 3: is anything I need to know about because I haven't
26:22
Speaker 3: read or talked or anything. Just I don't want to
26:25
Speaker 3: be ambushed. But that was the That was basically what happened.
26:30
Speaker 3: They just I said, give me a heads up, and
26:33
Speaker 3: it gave me a clear mind about talking to everybody
26:36
Speaker 3: every day and not having some vendetta against somebody that
26:40
Speaker 3: was say Berry and Brad after one bad outing, because
26:43
Speaker 3: that would.
26:43
Speaker 2: Really kick me out.
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Speaker 4: Obviously what I think about is your bullpen management. I mean,
27:50
Speaker 4: my arm thanks you to this day. I could still
27:52
Speaker 4: play catch with my kids because of how you're able
27:54
Speaker 4: to do. But what was the preparation like for a
27:57
Speaker 4: day of getting a bullpen ready that day? And how
28:00
Speaker 4: are you able to not get us up multiple times
28:03
Speaker 4: and save us by the end of the season.
28:05
Speaker 2: Brad, would you play eleven years?
28:07
Speaker 4: Yeah?
28:09
Speaker 2: See that?
28:09
Speaker 3: That to me, I have so much pride, not that
28:11
Speaker 3: I didn't any to do it, but that's special. You
28:14
Speaker 3: know those days of people because the way that they
28:18
Speaker 3: handle bullpens today, a guy pitching ten or eleven years
28:21
Speaker 3: is gonna be hard to find. But you know, it
28:24
Speaker 3: would start with the night before. We would never start
28:28
Speaker 3: a game without knowing who's pitching. If the guy got
28:33
Speaker 3: hit with a line drive with the first pitch, you
28:36
Speaker 3: know we had we had these things called a longer
28:38
Speaker 3: lever that were so important in a bullpen.
28:40
Speaker 2: TJ.
28:41
Speaker 3: McFarlane dance Worthy. These guys could take the baseball and
28:45
Speaker 3: one of the things you didn't do was send them
28:47
Speaker 3: down after they did their job. Don't send them down
28:51
Speaker 3: because they did their job. And we did it with
28:54
Speaker 3: seven pitchers, sometimes six, and but a longer lever. Can
28:58
Speaker 3: you tell me five guys and big lei'es right now
29:00
Speaker 3: are longer levers now they're called bulk guys, whatever that is.
29:04
Speaker 3: But I'm my starter to be the bull guy. But
29:08
Speaker 3: you know, it would start there and we would meet
29:09
Speaker 3: before the game. I love how these people think these
29:11
Speaker 3: pregame meetings are new. But we would gather information all day.
29:15
Speaker 3: I love batting practice back when guys used to actually
29:19
Speaker 3: hit outside. I would walk around and talk to the
29:22
Speaker 3: bullpen guys, as you remember, and I would talk to
29:24
Speaker 3: the position players who weren't playing that day, the starting
29:28
Speaker 3: pitcher and the nine guys and anybody that need to
29:31
Speaker 3: you know, okay, what do they need to hear from you?
29:33
Speaker 3: And I would talk to the guys directly without making
29:36
Speaker 3: them feel like they had to pitch. It's okay if
29:39
Speaker 3: you need today. And then there might be something you
29:41
Speaker 3: would say to Dave Wallace or dom Cheti that you
29:45
Speaker 3: may not say to me, And that's okay, but we
29:47
Speaker 3: would gather all this information in about an hour for
29:50
Speaker 3: the game. We would go over this and then make
29:54
Speaker 3: sure that you guys knew in the bullpen that day
29:56
Speaker 3: exactly what was coming. So if I you remember, sometimes
30:00
Speaker 3: I'd say stay up in the dugout today, just don't
30:03
Speaker 3: even go down the bulpen to day.
30:05
Speaker 2: But you guys are so close. You wanted to be
30:06
Speaker 2: down there, but everybody was on.
30:09
Speaker 3: The same page, and there was conflict communication about you know,
30:13
Speaker 3: we would never, for instance, want to go into Yankee
30:16
Speaker 3: Stadium without both left handed relievers ready because they were
30:19
Speaker 3: so left handed Atlanta And nowadays these guys, you know,
30:23
Speaker 3: shoot everything for one game and they wonder why they
30:26
Speaker 3: can't maintain something for a long period.
30:29
Speaker 2: Baseball is a long season. You got to live to
30:31
Speaker 2: fight another day sometimes.
30:32
Speaker 3: That's why Chris Davis pitches in Fenway Park sometimes.
30:39
Speaker 7: Buck, you mentioned twenty eighteen a little bit earlier saying
30:44
Speaker 7: how tough it was to trade Brad and we talked
30:47
Speaker 7: about that season I think a week ago, and you
30:49
Speaker 7: think twelve through sixteen, you win the most games in
30:52
Speaker 7: the American League, and that twenty eighteen season sort of
30:56
Speaker 7: felt like this last hurrah.
30:58
Speaker 1: Right.
30:58
Speaker 7: A lot of guys were in during contract years, and
31:01
Speaker 7: including yourself and Dan Duquet. What was it like heading
31:06
Speaker 7: into that season? And well, why do you think it
31:10
Speaker 7: went sideways?
31:11
Speaker 2: Well, the window was closing. The window was closing, a
31:15
Speaker 2: lot of the a lot of.
31:16
Speaker 3: Advantages that big market teams have start showing up for
31:20
Speaker 3: the It doesn't mean you can't do it, but you
31:23
Speaker 3: got to kind of turn it over sometimes. I hate
31:26
Speaker 3: to say, the only thing that keeps it from turning
31:29
Speaker 3: over is if you have your farm system really producing,
31:33
Speaker 3: and we really weren't doing that, and our guys, the
31:38
Speaker 3: gap between when somebody was going to be ready was
31:42
Speaker 3: pretty wide. And I didn't even know really what was
31:45
Speaker 3: going on. It was because I had a lot of
31:47
Speaker 3: players and say, hey, so and so has been traded,
31:50
Speaker 3: so and so has been traded, and I get it.
31:52
Speaker 3: Dan's operating Duquet, you know, very quickly, a lot of
31:55
Speaker 3: moving parts and.
31:56
Speaker 2: He didn't even tell me anything.
31:57
Speaker 3: But it was it was tough having those conversations with
32:01
Speaker 3: guys very quickly. You know, people that I've come to
32:04
Speaker 3: really you know, like and respect, and all of a
32:07
Speaker 3: sudden you just say see you later.
32:09
Speaker 2: It felt very, very cold. To me, I thought it
32:13
Speaker 2: was tough.
32:15
Speaker 3: It's a tough thing when baseball reminds you of the
32:18
Speaker 3: business that can be sometimes.
32:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Oriol's gone through some of those ups and downs.
32:23
Speaker 1: Now they've rebuilt again. They got back to the playoffs
32:26
Speaker 1: two years in a row. But some fan, well most
32:29
Speaker 1: Oil fans recalled they have not won a playoff game
32:31
Speaker 1: or a playoff series since your group was there. Twenty
32:34
Speaker 1: Fourteen's a long time, but Buck, we're about out of
32:38
Speaker 1: time speaking a time. Man, thank you for yours today
32:41
Speaker 1: being so generous. And I could sit here listen to
32:43
Speaker 1: you talk about our weaver for that would be a
32:45
Speaker 1: whole hour show. I'd love to do that one day.
32:48
Speaker 1: I could do that, and I don't need anything else.
32:51
Speaker 1: But the reason that's special is because you two men
32:53
Speaker 1: are special to Ballimore. People will never forget what both
32:57
Speaker 1: you did and your groups did. And Man, so nice
33:01
Speaker 1: of you to share some thoughts today.
33:02
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it. I'm gonna try to get I
33:04
Speaker 3: think Chris is going in the Hall of Fame this year,
33:07
Speaker 3: and we went in for Adams thing. Heck, I made
33:09
Speaker 3: it back for a Savannah Bananas game.
33:14
Speaker 1: I don't expect you to be managing in that league.
33:18
Speaker 2: That's probably the only league I can still manage it.
33:21
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. Hey, Buck, we enjoy your
33:24
Speaker 1: work on all the broadcasts. You got some more broadcasting
33:26
Speaker 1: coming up anytime soon.
33:28
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, Steve, commercial travel has turned into
33:31
Speaker 3: such a tough thing. You want to get down in society,
33:35
Speaker 3: go through airports. We all got all of the charter flights.
33:39
Speaker 3: But man, yes, I will do some now and then.
33:42
Speaker 3: I'm pretty picky about it because commercial travel is tough.
33:46
Speaker 3: It's tough, as you guys all know. It's not like
33:50
Speaker 3: it used to be.
33:51
Speaker 2: You know.
33:51
Speaker 3: I looked around the other day and that and five
33:54
Speaker 3: people on the flight had a pajamason.
33:56
Speaker 1: I went, oh my gosh, you were not one of them.
34:01
Speaker 2: Obviously, I was jealous. I wish I could. Hey, good
34:08
Speaker 2: to see you guys. Thanks for having me. Bradley, you're
34:10
Speaker 2: good man, God bless you.
34:11
Speaker 1: Take care, Thank you, Thanks Buck, Buck Show Walter joining
34:16
Speaker 1: us today. And thanks to Tim and Brad and Buck.
34:19
Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time on Birdland Territory.