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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of Planet of the Spiders (6/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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None. Hamster with a blunt penknife
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for doing quicker. Quicker, quicker, quicker.
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I knew the commentary for Part 6 of Hamster of the Planet of the
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Spiders for hamster with a blunt penknife.
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Hello, I'm Psy and I once had a phone call from the Great One.
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Would you believe? I couldn't believe it.
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There I was in my kitchen, phone rang and the Great One had
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phoned to call me up to say that her brain was expanding and that
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was it. And then the phone went dead and
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then my boyfriend rang up slightly after that.
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Whether the two were connected I will never know, but this was at
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the time when I was getting letters from the macro and from
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ORAC, so you. Know a very.
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Interesting time and I thought. You were saying?
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That Maureen Morris phoned you up.
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I don't. Know.
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Randomly left that message. No, this is Dan Hogarth.
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Right. OK, I get it.
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I knew. Something welcome back to A
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Hamster with a Blood Penknife, the Doctor Who commentary
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podcast where we are about to finish off an era eight months
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after we started. Before we do that, though, you
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can't just leave us hanging there.
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What did Orac see in his letter? Oh, he swore a lot.
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There. Was a cartoon of him saying piss
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flaps. He also detailed in, you know in
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a great detail as well, a map that would lead you to fight
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discovery, which consisted of two corridors.
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Was it done in? Felt pen it pretty well was.
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Yeah. But fortunately at that point,
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the best Travis was still around.
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So we were in good shape. So yes, here we are at the end.
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It's been a long time getting from there to here.
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It has been eight months and most we six parties feel like
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they last eight months, this one actually.
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Has the only two commentaries that have had a gap this long.
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Even our web planet wasn't this long.
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No it. Wasn't, and the only other one
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was another six part colony in space where I've done 3 episodes
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and I still haven't finished it. And that was recorded a year and
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a half ago. Oh my God.
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He goes, oh don't worry, we'll do something else.
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We're so bored by it, I'm sure. Climactic end of Jon Pertwee,
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gentlemen. Yes.
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So five years our longest running doctor.
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At this point, children wouldn't have, maybe not even known, a
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different doctor. Ratings were soaring.
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He was very popular. And this is it.
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A whole generation are going to be scarred by this doctor
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leaving. How much do you buy into
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Pertwee? Going in to see the head of
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drama asking for a pay rise because Barry Letts says that's
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bullshit. I think it's a great story that
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Pertwee could spin. Pertwee is a master of a great
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story, and if he could rinse an anecdote out of something, he
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would do because he's a he's a professional.
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He knows that people are going to ask him about this, so he's
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not just going to say, oh, I just decided to leave because
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that's not dramatic enough. So he's going to spin a big yarn
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about it, isn't he? Is this the era of The
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Raconteurs? Because you've got a PERT where
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you can spin a yarn, tear and sticks you can spin yarn.
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Katie Manning can certainly spin a yarn.
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Yeah, well, these are all, and I think they all come, they all
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get this from Pertwin, who is the master of doing this because
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they've probably been regaled by five years of perk.
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We's Tall Tales. Trouble is, so right on these
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commentaries, it's so embarrassing because you've got
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Barry let's there, the man of Ultimate integrity pointing out
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when everyone's talking bullshit you.
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Having none of. It Are you sure?
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He says Kate Manning and Planet. Are you sure?
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Because I've seen to remember it was.
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This, and she sort of laughs really awkwardly and goes no,
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no, no, I think it was that and it was going, yeah, all right, I
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love Barry Letts. I love his, yeah, He just isn't
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having any of it. He's just there to debunk all
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these stories and say no, no, no.
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If John wanted a rise, he would have come to me and I would have
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decided out of my budget. Because I was the producer, I
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could decide this. I've got a big question for both
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of you then that I'd like you to answer.
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And we'll start with Fraser because he's been very quiet for
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the first couple of minutes. Is this the point where this
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team should have disbanded? Was there more?
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Could they have done more with the 3rd Doctor and Sarah?
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Could Barry and Terrence have gone on to do more great work,
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or was this a good time to get off?
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This is a good time to get off, I think.
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I mean, could Barry and Terrence do more?
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Absolutely. Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Barry, let's talk in the making of of this.
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And he says, you know we we were just kind of running out of
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ideas but but you know we didn't realize that we were you know
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another production team would have had these scripts pitched
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to them and would have done something with them.
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We would say no, no, we've done that.
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We've done that. We've done that.
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It's getting kind of same as. So I think they could have just
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went on and on you know doing what they could be doing perk
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way. You know he could probably have
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went on longer as well. You know what you've got to
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think is, you know, without Katie Manning and without Roger
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Delgado, is it going to be the same?
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And yeah, probably not and all. You're a Russian part where the
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arc in space. Well that's that's the other
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question is you know, you know obviously Katie's left already.
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He wanted our God has passed away.
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Unfortunately Barry and Terrence have decided they're moving on.
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If you believe the Jon Pertwee tail that you went and asked for
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a big reason, they said no. So he left you know amount.
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You know the the what if is what if they said, Oh yeah cool,
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yeah, there you go. There's an extra 20% and he's
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kind of Lombard with with season 12, What would Jon Pertwee look
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like in a Hinchcliffe and Holmes era?
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It's fascinating, isn't it? Because we don't get this
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terribly often at this point. Everything has been so stable
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behind the scenes and I can understand completely that we
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deciding to go because Barry and Terence were going absolutely
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makes makes sense because he's someone who very much needs his
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comfort team behind him. And I think he would have.
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It would have been fascinated to see him with Hinchcliffe because
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he would have been a bit on the back foot and he might have had
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to to do things that his Doctor hadn't done before, which would
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have been been fascinated. Would have been really
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interesting to see where they took the 3rd Doctor.
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In the same way, people often say, what if Steven Moffat had
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had David Tennant for his first year and that difference, or
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Chris Chipnall had had Peter Capaldi for a year, you know?
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Going into camp now. Exactly.
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All of those what ifs. You just don't know what.
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What would have happened. I mean, I think this is probably
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the time to go, but interestingly, Terence is the
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one who says I actually didn't want to leave, he said.
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But I felt like I had to, because I might appear as
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yesterday's man with someone with a new producer, and you
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don't want to be the one who's sort of left behind.
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I don't think Hinchcliffe would have objected, though I think
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Hinchcliffe would have worked with Terrance Dicks.
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Because Terrance is so resolutely professional and so
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good at his job. And so much of the this era
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works because Terrance has worked damn hard to make sure
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the scripts work and are watertight.
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Yeah, I think, I think obviously the but this the main success
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for me of the of both eras of both the the 3rd Doctor and the
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the 4th Doctor, you know 12/13/14 Hinchcliffe is how much
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on the same page Barry less than 10 sticks were and how much
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Philip Hinchcliffe and Bob Holmes were on the same page.
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They are making this show together.
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They are not. You know, we come to Eric
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Saywood and John Nathan Turner and they are making different
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shows. You know, say we'll just try to
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write and script, edit a drama, whereas GNT is making light
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entertainment, you know, Hinchcliff and Holmes are both
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making drama. Let's and Dicks are both making
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light entertainment. You know, they are working,
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working together. So to put Terrence Dicks with
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with Hinchcliffe and say well, you know, that would be a bit of
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a clash of styles. Yes, 10 sticks would have been
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utterly professional and you know, have done the best.
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But would it have been as successful as having someone
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totally sympatical? Because his his sensibilities
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are slightly different to Robert Holmes.
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Yeah. But I do.
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You know what? I think his stories will be a
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lot plotted a lot tighter than those.
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Stories. Great endings.
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Yeah, because the the hedge clave homes endings are
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generally pretty bad. But you know, you're trading
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off. I mean, you know, Bob Holmes is
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is the master of the witty dialogue and the the world
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building and the, you know, the character.
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Eccentric characters, yeah. Yeah.
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So you kind of lose that as well.
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So the the tarsus for courses. I mean, both eras are totally
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magnificent, but in their own special way.
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I do think it's time to leave UNIT and Earth behind and do
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something different. We've had five years of coming
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back to this and actually you do need to keep the show fresh and
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I don't think they would have divorced Pertwee from UNIT ever.
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And that's that's The funny thing.
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I mean, let's and Dicks decided within the first series, within
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season seven that decided that didn't and want the Doctor to be
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Earthbound. And it takes them five years.
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It takes them three years to get the the ability to fly his own
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TARDIS back, and you just kind of wonder why, why it took them
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so long. Well, I like that, though.
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I like how it's staggered, how it's not easy because then when
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that moment hits in the three doctors, it means something.
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Yeah, it's it's earned. You've We've been the long way
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around to get there. And then you get Carnival of
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Monsters and it feels so fresh. Yeah, absolutely.
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They're, they're it's like they're let out and and off they
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go. The weird thing is, is we're
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talking about her. We potentially being in stories
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like Arcade Space and Genesis of the Daleks.
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I actually think, and I do really like Roblox.
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I think it's a witty script. She's got funny character.
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Sarah Jane gets a great role, but Tom Baker just feels so
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weird in that setting. Yes, with those characters.
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But that's what that's what the story is setting out to do.
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It is setting out a new Doctor who isn't going to have the same
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relationship with UNIT as as the old Doctor did.
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And Tom is playing every scene in the Anti.
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Pert we weigh, he's thinking, what would Pert we do?
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Well then I'm just going to lie on this bench because Pert, we
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wouldn't do that. I'm going to sit with my feet up
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in the Jeep because he wouldn't do that.
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All of those things. He's taking the piss in the most
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spectacular way, isn't he? Yeah, yeah.
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And that is kind of what works about it, that is really.
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Charring, but it, yeah. And I think it works because Tom
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is coming in with so much energy, whereas it would be just
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another unit story if Perlby was there and it'd just be another
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season opener. That and we've done all of this.
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We did enough, I think. Had Perlwe gone out on Robot,
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which is sort of action adventure, that wouldn't have
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felt as satisfying as this, which is more of a character
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drama, it's it's a bit more thoughtful than that.
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The pace is a bit more measured. I don't know.
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It feels like a sensitive way to bow out, especially this
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episode. But I think this this story is
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geared to exit her way. Yes, it's well, that's that's
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his main. That's his main.
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Yeah, it's his main reason for being.
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Absolutely. I mean if you take, you know,
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the doctor leaving at the end of it out of this story, if you
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move this story to second in the season or third or whatever,
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it's, you know, we wouldn't have nearly as much we love and
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affection for it as we do. You're right.
14:17
You know, robot works like you say, because it is the new
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Doctor in the old doctor's shoes.
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You know, it's saying this is, this is the exact story that you
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used to. It's a very one of the mill
14:29
story. But what elevates it is having
14:31
that new Doctor in it. You know what I say this is this
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is someone doing different. This is how different things are
14:37
going to be now. And we're using the all to
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juxtapose the new and make it that contrast between Tom Baker
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and Jon Pertwee. Absolutely Crystal, clearly.
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So that's why that works. And.
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That point about about being in the middle of the season, We
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wouldn't be forgiving of that chase in episode 2 because that
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would feel indulgent, but because it's his last hurrah, we
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go, let's let him have it. We would.
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We wouldn't be as we wouldn't be as forgiving as the best feeling
15:05
is free. But Temple is free sequences
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because in this we know this, this grand finale is coming.
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So you sort of sit, you ride it, you know, Whereas if it was like
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like monster a pedagogy, you just go, oh God, what is this?
15:19
Just get on with it. Yeah.
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What? Are you going to say someone was
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going to say something then I was?
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Going to say should we get on with it?
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Yes, let's go with it. I was going to say we were quite
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forgiving of the big chase that takes up episode 5 of Invasion
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of the Dinosaurs. I mean that's I think, I think I
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would be quite forgiven of this chase, you know, if it came, you
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know in you know third story, I think the chase is the chase,
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it's the chase, it's just, it's just great daft, glorious fun
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regardless of whether it's in this story or another one.
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So. What I will say is, I think
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episode 6 of Planet of the Spiders has some of the most
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startling character moments in this entire era where the Doctor
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talks about his greed, certainly his death, and it is a death.
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Yeah, and they're character moments for the Doctor, which we
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don't. Often get it's development for
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the Doctor, which we don't often get.
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Well, let's we watch it. Yes.
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What? Not OK.
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Well, let's give it another. OK. 54321 Let's go one last time
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for those other I'd love those Spears of light.
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That's gorgeous. Imagine if that terrible
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Delaware theme was being used so terrible.
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The. Funk.
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Mind you, it's not too dissimilar from the Colin Baker
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trial theme, is it? It's not in places.
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The reprise is completely different.
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What's going on? I have no idea.
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It's it's the same so far. Don't we talk about Simon?
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Look, there's. Unbelievable that we've cut back
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10 minutes. It's it's it's, you know, it's
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just the back end, the back quarter of Episode 5.
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Never before have we seen a a show in such time crisis that
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we've had to play the last 10 minutes again.
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Megalos says Hold my beer, but. Doesn't it cut out some scenes?
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It cuts out some scenes as well. It's very weird.
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Yeah, because because they borrowed them from the next
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episode for like 3 episodes. Now get to like the last episode
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of Bubble can't borrow from episode seven.
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There isn't one. So we're just going to have to
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put some new stuff in. Oh fabulous.
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So I mean, the Cliffhanger Episode 5 should be the bit
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where the realized server's got the spider on her back.
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Yes, but. Absolutely.
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There's just not enough else. Is that what it was going to be?
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It should be. That would be.
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Great. I think it's.
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I don't know if it was what was planned, but that's the obvious
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cliffhanger. Feels like it, doesn't it?
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Yeah. But you know it's.
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Just not enough in six to where? Where she says where she's got
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the spider on her back and she says that she's brightened.
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She plays that for real. She is.
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That's why she was a terrible rocket of four.
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Oh, you're not. Going to talk about those
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rehearsal scenes, are you? Put these little toys bring up
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to bring in slightly bigger toy spiders every day, because
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otherwise she would have just absolutely not been able to do
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the scene with the spider on her back.
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That which is what he. Says saying, yeah, if I, yeah,
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she said. I wouldn't have been very
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professional as an actress doing.
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That she goes, I'm bloody acting.
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She says in the commentary. I'm all right with a fake
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spider, John, Like, oh, look, there's Fraser, that's.
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Me, that's. Got me.
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That's got me right. So I've got to say though,
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you're way prettier than Orum there.
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Got a better? Heck, and he's got terrible
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teeth as we've got big gap in his teeth.
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Yeah, 70s teeth, 70s hair, 70s specs, 70s total neck.
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Oh man, you're retro. You are vintage.
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Give another 50 years and you know they'll be there.
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Then 2074 version of me. The Fraser Gregory look.
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Good day. I look what I found on YouTube.
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What's YouTube? That's what old people used to
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watch. Look what I found.
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That person looks exactly like me.
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That says stop it all the time. Look at Look at how that's
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directed with Sarah in the foreground there.
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I was just thinking that I've not.
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I don't know if it's because I'm so up close to to the screen for
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this, but I've never noticed that before that she's
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foregrounded. And she's acting.
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Brilliantly. And the Doctor is throwing her
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looks as well, so he knows. Maybe he was paying attention
20:03
last week. Yeah.
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It's interesting as well when? We go she's she's doing that so
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brilliantly. I must give it to me.
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Seize it. What's come over you?
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What's going on is. It and that feels that feels
20:18
big. Sarah James shooting the Doctor.
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That's that's your cliffhanger. Yeah, what a shame.
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Just have a Just have a longer episode and a shorter episode,
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for God's sakes. And this magical bit where he
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says see through my eyes and the spider appears.
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Oh, great. And he goes, What a.
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Good. Grief.
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That we're so good at a good grief.
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And here's the cliffhanger. Hasn't someone done a super cut
20:44
of all the good? Griefs.
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Yeah, it's on YouTube. It's.
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Greatly done a good, I think. It's about 5 1/2 hours long, are
20:53
they? It's up there with Tom's What?
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There's a supercar of his what? Good grief.
21:00
There up. Just below all of the Packers in
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the Invasion. Oh, Packer.
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Someone saw that as well and I swear, and there's definitely a
21:09
Benny supercar. For a more than 55.
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Yeah, look, here we are now in the cliffhanger.
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It's very odd. I feel like someone's put
21:21
together a jigsaw in the wrong order.
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But I think this is probably the right order and the last episode
21:27
was the wrong. Thing is, what the fact would we
21:29
know if we were watching this on original transmission?
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You wouldn't even. Wouldn't have remembered that
21:33
book. You'd just be watching this so
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you know you. It's worth remembering always
21:37
that they these were not meant to be binge watch no as a whole.
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You'd remember Tommy kicking that fellow up the ass?
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Yeah, God, they do shoot. Like, look at her eyes.
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Yeah, I think that's right. I wish that spider on our back
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twitch though. Yeah, somehow it looks even
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worse when that bugs on Donald's back and turn left.
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Well, that's your modern, modern day comparison, isn't it?
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But actually, Donna plays those scenes absolutely terrified as
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well, doesn't she? It's where we were.
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We've been lucky with the actresses.
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They've scored. This lady, now she is acting her
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socks off. Well, and she has to sort of go
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between being the spider and being Sarah.
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Oh, look what else. We're mesmerized by it.
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Well, yeah. I can't even hear it.
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Can you hear it? No, no.
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And she's writing close up and then we go that that line.
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I'm frightened. Of course, Fraser, it's worth
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remembering this is the period where, Sigh, Hart hated Sarah
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Jane the entire classic run. Those days are gone.
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Did you not love the way those spider legs all came up there?
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Like the flower? Can we dispose of these boring
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characters now, please? I think we're nearly done with
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them. Oh.
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Thank goodness. No, they've got the.
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Oh, they're going to make a circle, yeah.
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Unfortunately the trade off is you get these wonderful scenes
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where he's talking about his greed for knowledge, which is
23:27
great, and where he realises who Campo is.
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Yeah, but the trade off is we don't have enough time to give
23:36
to the Mesabilia scenes. So we go back and very quickly
23:40
they've all been taken over and then that's dealt with in about
23:43
2 1/2 seconds. But the annoying thing is, is we
23:46
do have the time. We've done that.
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That's. The frustrating thing is, if you
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cut a little bit of padding from further down in the Domino Rally
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and then have Will Cliffhanger where it should have been,
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you've now you could give yourself two or three more more
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scenes in metabolis with spiders and what his face Not, not, not
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Blake. No.
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Gareth Chewar. Chewar.
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Chewar. Raffarlis.
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Yeah. The an.
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Arak. I want to say Gareth Thomas, but
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it's not, it's. It's Gareth Hunt.
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That's him, that's him. You know you could you could do
24:27
something proper with that because you know the runaway and
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it's it's it's almost you don't need to go back to Metabolis
24:33
because that's that feels very much wrapped up that feels
24:36
wrapped up in a very Doctor Who sort of way or just.
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Back to the caves. Just.
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Sort of. You've had your revolution.
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Awesome. Thank you very much.
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We're going off now. You look after yourselves.
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Everything will be fine. It feels, you know, that's
24:48
that's classic Doctor Who. But for once, I'll take the
24:51
trade off because these scenes are great and.
24:54
Extra. Scenes on Metabilia 3 would not
24:56
be great. And this scene where the doctors
24:59
suddenly realized it's his guru. Tabara Tardis.
25:04
Sigh. Was naughty to say the least.
25:09
Borrow day. And it's lovely.
25:12
It's really, yeah. It's just really lovely and full
25:14
of warmth. Isn't that the first use of
25:16
regenerated as well? Yeah.
25:18
Yeah, I regenerated and came to Earth.
25:20
Yeah. Barry Letts was a trendsetter,
25:22
wasn't he? We'll make, we'll make it
25:26
something else for the first time, hearing this one that has
25:31
just come up recently. Oh yeah, A bi generation.
25:35
Yes. It's not a BI generation in
25:38
this, is there? Well, because you've got Choji,
25:40
who's the projection of the of Campo, who's there in the same
25:46
way as Lagopoulos has got the Watcher who is the future
25:53
doctor. Yeah, I never thought about
25:56
that. That's that's.
26:00
Who's it? Still in it?
26:01
Oh, there he is. Yeah, so like.
26:05
The. Only thing now that's really
26:07
important now is per we yeah, it's the docks of the crystal
26:11
and the grey one and the dress is just bumped around it.
26:14
It is. It's not bad.
26:17
Bump, but it is bad. It could have been better.
26:21
Like I say, I think if you if you have a bit more solid scenes
26:26
on you know the metabolists with the with everyone you know you
26:31
could really do do something better there.
26:33
If you'd if members you have your revolution in part 6 rather
26:37
than part five. You know, I think right now
26:40
we've got the magic stones. Now we're going to go in and do
26:42
that and not have the sort of kind of fake, fake out of then.
26:48
Oh yes, we've actually been took over by the spiders and I think
26:51
that would probably be worked a lot better.
26:54
I do love the fact that Campo is so is is not scared that he's
27:03
regenerating, is he? It's like Jodie Whittaker in
27:05
Power of the Doctor. He's really just resigned to his
27:08
fate. It's.
27:08
Going to be all right. Yeah, I like that a lot.
27:11
And. I like that he sees completely
27:13
through the doctor. Because really, the drama is the
27:17
Doctor regenerating, you know? But it reassures the audience by
27:22
seeing because it hasn't been seen for five years.
27:25
So you're in the you're reassuring the audience that it
27:28
will be OK. And look, if this happens to
27:32
Campo and it's all right, then it when it happens to the
27:34
doctor, it'll be OK. I.
27:36
Don't mean it's in any way a negative way, but perk we does
27:39
look tired as well he. Does look tired and.
27:41
Old, Yeah, like something happened between recording The
27:46
Time Warrior and Invasion of the Dinosaur.
27:48
But when he came back, it was like he.
27:51
Danced 5 He looks quite yeah. Vicky was having big trouble
27:55
with his back at this point and was in a lot of pain.
28:00
But that line he had there where he says I have to go back.
28:03
Yeah, I have to do it. It's fabulous.
28:06
Yeah, because he's got a responsibility.
28:08
Yeah. Because he set all of this in
28:11
motion. What's great is the thing that's
28:13
caused all of this is that that hilarious comedy sequence in the
28:17
Green Death? Yes, with a massive, you know,
28:19
feet sweeping past. Because he wanted the crystal
28:25
and it was is great for that. If he hadn't studied art at
28:29
Saint Martin's College, he wouldn't have a thirst for
28:33
knowledge. But also, if he hadn't have got
28:36
his, if he hadn't have got the TARDIS working again at the end
28:39
of the Three Doctors, he never would have been able to go to
28:42
Mesopelius 3 and he would have survived.
28:45
Yeah, and he wired in the coordinates into the programmer
28:50
in the green deaf, so that he was actually going to get there.
28:52
So it sets all of this up. Yeah, Yep.
28:55
It's nice. It's neat.
28:56
But if. They hadn't planned it, yeah,
28:59
and I don't think they did. I think it was just luck that
29:01
all of this came together like this.
29:04
That's a point, you know. What happened to the giant bird?
29:08
Were there not, would there not be like the predators of the
29:10
spiders would they? Would you know as soon as you
29:14
get? Them with her mind, Uja.
29:17
I mean, if it's not, as soon as you get like a giant spiders,
29:19
like a giant bird, not going to. Go imagine that, right?
29:22
You know it all ends in a big explosion when the Great One
29:25
goes up. Imagine if the ending was that
29:26
bird swooping in those big feet. Wow, it was sad last.
29:33
Year again, you. Couldn't say it wasn't set up
29:36
the. Previous year though, Good job.
29:41
Oh, praise for the great ones. I love this, but I love we just
29:45
swanning in and like having one last you know, I I'm in charge,
29:50
bitches. Sit down.
29:54
He's got, he's got to be humble in that sequence with Campo,
29:57
talking about his greed. He gets to be commanding here,
30:00
then he gets to be. Terrified and.
30:04
Then you're getting it all from Pertwee.
30:06
And then when he died, the the stillness of it as well.
30:11
It's so moving. I think that's that's one of his
30:14
best active scenes in the show, rightly so.
30:17
I love that line. It's You've beaten us, Doctor.
30:20
It is good that you will die. And he will, and he's no idol
30:25
fret. He knows this is he knows what's
30:28
going to happen. There's a good look of disgust
30:31
on his face there. Yep.
30:33
And then it's just out of me way.
30:35
So no, Lupton is going to die soon, isn't he?
30:38
He does now. Yeah.
30:39
Is it now? Spoilers.
30:43
It's a shame, because we did discuss in the first half of
30:45
this just how effective Lupton was as a sort of yes.
30:49
But he gets. So sidelined as the story goes
30:52
on because. He's just put in the corner his.
30:55
Plot function has finished and there you go, he's done.
30:58
It's a very Eric Saywood ending for a character.
31:03
And if if there was a fridge looked at, would be it up.
31:06
Indeed, But he's no longer in the cellar, Fraser.
31:11
Well, actually, he might be in the cellar soon.
31:14
Now he's dead. Lupton has left the cellar.
31:21
Oh, here we go. Here he goes.
31:25
Yeah, this really is a good episode.
31:28
Yeah, it really is. It does.
31:30
It does come to. I'm not going to say it's a
31:31
rousing conclusion because it's not like especially dynamic, but
31:34
it is. But.
31:36
It is a proper conclusion, yeah. So is this what's going to
31:40
happen to to shoot you that? Well, then when when the 14th
31:46
Doctor eventually you know needs to regenerate is is shoot you
31:53
then going to disappear and reappear wherever?
31:57
That could be embarrassing. He's like in the middle of
31:59
something. Yes, please.
32:03
Oh, I love. How doesn't he wakes?
32:05
Up and he laughs and he's. You put this in your magazine,
32:08
Sarah Jane Smith. And she's smiling as well.
32:13
Here we go. And then per we, yeah.
32:16
This fucking spider is terrifying.
32:19
It's the size of a cave, guys. Yes.
32:24
And Dudley's going crazy with Yeah.
32:28
Dudley is selling selling it all, isn't he?
32:33
Yeah. Well, so it's a mixture of the
32:35
size of it, which I think is very effectively done with him
32:38
in there too. Yeah, the music and her insane
32:41
voice, Yeah. And the fact she gets more and
32:45
more insane and. That's a real model, isn't it?
32:48
That that the, the crystal above her head and all of that.
32:51
That was a real mate. Yeah, it's all a model.
32:52
Yeah, it's basically the same as they're doing in Underworld.
32:58
It's a model, but because you've got the spider actually in the
33:02
model, it sells it a bit bit better for for the CSO.
33:08
I mean, I know we can we can mock how this looks, but I could
33:11
just imagine being like 6 watching this at the time.
33:14
Oh yeah. Until.
33:18
Until. Until.
33:20
Until. So what is it that goes wrong
33:25
then? Basically, it's a it's a
33:29
feedback. So as soon as she puts it in,
33:32
the power will just keep building up and up and up, and
33:34
it won't stop, and she's not going to be able to absorb it
33:38
all. OK, I figured it was her own
33:40
madness. You know that created.
33:44
We brings it back down to a circuit.
33:46
Yeah, yeah. Well, it's simple, man.
33:51
You will destroy yourself. You waste a little time
33:56
remaining to you. Oh yeah, yeah.
34:01
But that is kind of epic, isn't it?
34:02
A cave of crystals, you know? Absolutely.
34:05
There's going to be in resonance with her mind.
34:08
Yeah. And just the size of her is,
34:13
yeah. The floaty crystal going through
34:16
the end. I am complete.
34:22
I bet she's like, look at her enormous abdomen.
34:32
Honestly, she could. Get nerve to a lot of babies?
34:35
That's. Good.
34:38
And you're so painless either. That is the most effective
34:41
spider we've had, and it's the one.
34:43
That gets the least amount of screen to us.
34:47
Yeah, of course he is. Well, it's the Doctor.
34:50
Oh, is it? I didn't know that.
34:56
Yeah, look. Great, All powerful me.
34:59
I really love look at the shadows of the spider on the
35:02
model and the way that the full is going down on several levels.
35:06
Yeah, it just sells it, doesn't it?
35:09
It's terrific. I think Poe looks dreadful.
35:13
But never mind. Half his head's vanished.
35:16
Well, that's the problem when you've got bouffon hair.
35:18
It's a shame they couldn't have just done a bit of location, a
35:21
little bit of wookie hole here, you know, would have gone a long
35:23
way. Oh dear, they're in a terrible
35:27
way, those spiders. And actually, I do think we get
35:32
a good bang here. Yep.
35:34
Well, it's probably era ending, isn't it?
35:36
Where everything explodes. But it's it's a mountain going
35:41
up, isn't it? Yeah.
35:42
See, we're doing the epic again. Oh, oh, oh, Oh, well, that's
35:52
them done. I do wonder where all those 40
35:54
odd spiders went, because the maggots were given out to
35:59
people. Richard Franklin.
36:00
And so did Katy Manning. Oh, here we go.
36:04
Yeah, it's a good explosion. Slow motion explosions.
36:09
Close up explosions. I mean, you know, implosion and
36:16
I love. Then don't you just cut straight
36:18
to Sarah sniffing his jacket? Yeah, it's a lovely, intimate
36:23
moment. Just hugging the cloak.
36:25
Yeah, I'll do that with my mask close.
36:29
You know when he ain't around sometimes.
36:31
Yeah, oh. That's the Brig back from Robot.
36:39
We haven't seen him since episode 2, have we?
36:41
No, no. It's like I thought I'd pop in
36:44
at the end just to watch him regenerate, you know?
36:47
But quite right, too. It's right that he's there.
36:53
And yeah, you could for almost foresee this as an ending of
36:55
Doctor Who, where he just doesn't come back and it's the
36:57
scene between the two of them. Yeah, it could have been.
37:00
Yeah, I think another reason the Brick comes back.
37:04
I think Terence wanted him there to witness the regenerations.
37:07
We didn't have to go through the whole spearhead from space.
37:11
Oh. It's the.
37:12
I saw the flag this time. Yeah.
37:15
I'm wondering if there's a bit of dodgy direction there because
37:17
she's doing this thing with her eyes as if she can see the
37:19
TARDIS. Right.
37:20
Across, but it just materializes.
37:23
I think it's more than she's sort of hearing the noise and
37:26
trying to work out where where the noise is coming from.
37:30
Look at it. He looks oh Terry Walsh one last
37:34
time. It's no way Perry was full like
37:38
that is he's like get me Marcus shouldn't.
37:41
OK. Thank you.
37:41
He does look ghastly, doesn't he?
37:43
He does. What's lovely?
37:47
I love how he tries to comfort her and he dies doing that.
37:52
And that's his last. His last thing.
37:56
But I don't do we ever see any other doctor actually expire
37:59
like this like we you know we we we get the build up in with a
38:05
lot of doctors. But we don't get the, I mean, I
38:10
guess it's only Paul McGann, but we're only told that he's dead.
38:15
And then the camera code is sort of goes in really gently.
38:19
Yeah, and he's doing that thing where he's touching her cheek,
38:22
like in Death of the Daleks, that bit that.
38:24
You love Joe. Yeah, there's no music here as
38:28
well. There's.
38:28
It's completely silent, isn't it?
38:32
Oh God. Look at him, he's act.
38:34
He's acted his socks off there. He's actually dead.
38:38
Yeah. Oh, this is funny now though,
38:43
the fellow beams in. Hello.
38:47
I'm just going to give it a little push.
38:51
Oh, she's doing the eye thing again.
38:53
Yes, yeah. Fraser, do you find this quite
38:57
moving? Yes, it's good, isn't it?
39:01
It's. Well, it's because none of it's
39:05
down to effects. It's all down to performance,
39:07
yeah. Yes.
39:09
And it's kind of something that don't really date.
39:12
And that's the script in as well.
39:16
And the the acting is is absolutely superb.
39:19
Liz Laden is obviously selling this.
39:25
When she says please don't die, she's like choking her salt,
39:28
isn't she? Listen to it as well.
39:32
She always thinks he's dead. We're all very, very respectful
39:35
of this scene, you know? Yes.
39:38
Well, yeah, because you know. Oh, then this is.
39:42
Just to remind us, this is Doctor Who.
39:44
We've had that very moving scene and he's going on about bloody
39:47
crystals and Metabelius and all that this.
39:50
But you've got the break there. It was like, thank you, Miss
39:53
Smith, thank you. Has everything up.
39:55
Yeah, yeah. It's all you need, isn't it?
39:57
From Nick Cole Day. It's a sardonic one liner.
40:01
Well, here we go again. Goodbye.
40:06
Look after him. Oh, sorry, I'm being a bit
40:08
racist. Look.
40:10
Bring it here. Look, I think it's starting.
40:14
What's that Blue Peter they need to set?
40:16
Let's get out of here quick. And it's Tom.
40:26
I mean it is a a lousy fade. And as regenerations go, it's as
40:32
basic as you can make it. But I think, I think the lead up
40:36
to the regeneration is what is the best in regeneration, it's
40:39
probably the worst. Yeah, I mean, it's simple.
40:44
It does the job, but it's not massively.
40:49
It's not a massive technical exercise, which, considering
40:51
it's it's Barry Letts, is a bit of a surprise.
40:54
Well, yeah. And he does berate people like
40:57
Paul Bernard for not like doing more visually interesting things
41:02
sometimes. And he is guilty himself
41:05
occasionally. But you know it works, and I
41:09
think because you've had the build up you don't need anything
41:16
fancy. No at.
41:18
That point you're you're done. Well, boys, we need to figure
41:23
out our nine fabulous things to recommend.
41:29
Not each I need to go to bed tonight.
41:31
All right, Rumpy. Fuck.
41:33
At work tomorrow we do 9 each. Let's.
41:37
Start with Fraser. I'm going to pick Tom Baker.
41:47
Oh, he was great. He was.
41:49
That's one of his best performances.
41:50
No, I'm going to say the chase scene in episode 2.
41:54
God. Damn it.
41:56
Because that's just, you know, five episodes worth of fun.
42:03
Just, you know, the the perfect sort of like little little gift
42:09
to put we There you go have a hovercraft, have a gyrocopter,
42:12
have Bessie, have you, who will be all and just have fun with
42:17
it. And yeah, this fluff, it's
42:20
nonsense, you know? Yeah, it serves no purpose
42:22
whatsoever to the plot, but it is just joyous to watch.
42:27
It's good fluff. Yes.
42:30
Sigh. To be completely obvious, the
42:36
spiders are brilliant. I think the the joy of giving
42:42
them all female voices, I think is something really special and
42:47
and works beautifully because it makes it such a different menace
42:51
to anything else in the poet we era.
42:54
And I think just that that Doctor Who image of that
43:00
publicity still of Pertway and Sarah with Sarah having the
43:05
spider on her back, is so Doctor Who.
43:09
Is it why he's doing this? Yeah, yeah.
43:12
And it's the one that was painted on the original book
43:15
cover. And it's just one of those
43:17
brilliant, wonderful Doctor Who images that was printed
43:21
everywhere, and one of those things that you knew before
43:24
you'd even seen it. And it's it's magnificent, that
43:27
that whole idea of the spider on the back, the giant spider that
43:32
finishes perk way off, that's more powerful than all of them,
43:35
and the fact that they all argue I'm bicker and there's
43:38
politicking between them all is yeah, it's just really nicely
43:42
done. Big bugs just work, didn't they?
43:45
Yeah. Yeah.
43:47
Again and again and again. Well, I'm so pleased I'll get to
43:49
say this one. We've gone through the difficult
43:53
first two years of the acidic asshole the Doctor.
43:58
We've come a long way from Season 7 to Season 11, and I do
44:03
think this showcases Pertwee at his best.
44:05
I mean, we talked about in Episode 6 alone what the ground
44:09
that they cover. But like you said, Fraser Wig,
44:12
they still get to see him as a man of action.
44:14
We get to see him having charming scenes.
44:16
We've left Bridge Stewart in episode one, We get to see him
44:20
very vulnerable in the middle there where he's almost dead.
44:24
I think it's a really great send off for John Pertwee and I
44:27
really like the fact it's a bit like the 10th Doctor.
44:33
We're a bit introspective at the 11th hour.
44:38
Sorry, that's Matt Smith's story at the end.
44:41
We're a bit introspective and we're actually saying this is a
44:43
flawed character and he's facing up to that fact and sort of
44:48
bowing out with dignity. And I really like that.
44:52
Awesome. Good choice.
44:55
Oh, it's me. I'm good pick, Jenny LED.
45:00
No, I wouldn't do, Jenny LED. Why, Fraser, Why?
45:04
Why my husband? Why my husband?
45:09
Why? Why?
45:10
Just because she's given us so much fun as fans over the years,
45:12
hasn't she? You know we've we've all laughed
45:17
and we've all had had a little little snicker with Jenny lad
45:23
and you know, she's she's got a prize named after her.
45:25
She had a prize named after her rod out of all places and you
45:29
know she's the the standard to which you can then hold up any
45:34
other acting performance of Doctor Who.
45:35
You know, you go, oh, then, then Judy at the centre of the torus
45:39
of rubbishes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:40
Not Jenny Laird though. But.
45:41
It's the Jenny's, isn't it? I think it's Jenny Laird and
45:44
Jenny Thomason. It's the Jenny's.
45:50
So Jenny Laird is my second pick for just being memorable.
45:56
I shan't let you choose her, Fraser, I shan't, I shan't.
46:02
OK, I'm going to choose Richard Franklin and Captain Mike Yates,
46:07
although he's only Mike Yates in this story, because one of the
46:13
the wonderful things about this era is the attention they've
46:16
paid to the characters. And as Joe said, the Doctor has
46:19
had a lot of attention here. And the fact that they go to the
46:24
they could have just written Mike off after invasion of the
46:27
dinosaurs, but they give him a proper redemption and he comes
46:31
good here. And he's the one who finds the
46:35
initial problem, brings in Sarah Jane, because he's not sure that
46:39
the Doctor or the Brigadier will will listen to him because of
46:43
what's happened. And the warmth between the
46:46
Doctor and Mike here is something that we've not really
46:50
seen between the characters a lot of the time.
46:53
And that's it's really lovely and I think it's a really nice
46:56
bit of writing and a nice bit of character work to have him
47:00
properly redeemed and come good at the end of the era when they
47:04
didn't need to. I think you can trust no one
47:10
finer than Dudley Simpson to bow out a doctor.
47:15
And what I love is that rattle shaking thing he does with the
47:19
spiders. Really good.
47:21
Which really makes those things where they leap really
47:24
effective. But it does sort of some
47:25
bombastic music when the doctors having his chase.
47:29
Yeah, Dudley Simpson is just brilliant and he's he just knows
47:32
how to score the show at this point and this is another
47:35
memorable score. So, Dudley Simpson.
47:40
I'm going to pick Lupton because I think Lupton is a very.
47:49
In the cellar. In the cellar.
47:50
In the cellar. Clever looked and.
47:56
I loved him because he's obviously he's a master
47:59
standing. You know I said this in the the
48:01
first couple of episodes he's you know the it's not the same
48:06
story that the would have used to borrow the master out with.
48:11
But he is very much a master standing character here which
48:15
works for a certain extent doesn't but he is still really
48:18
quite fleshed out character. You know, he's he's a nobody.
48:22
He's a nobody man who's just, you know, bitter with life
48:27
because he hasn't had, you know, hasn't had the recognition he he
48:34
feels he should have. And you know, he's got some
48:37
skills and abilities, but ultimately he just does get
48:39
sidelined and has a very ignoble death at the end.
48:44
I don't think we've had a villain who's quite so prosaic
48:49
and basic as. 1. Middle manager who's who's,
48:54
who's not been promoted, I mean for Doctor Who that's.
48:57
That's. Absolutely.
48:59
Pathetic, but kind of frightening because of it, Yeah.
49:03
Yeah, it's it's kind of like he he wants to take over the world
49:06
because he got made redundant. Yeah.
49:09
Basically. Yeah, yes.
49:11
No. It's a better motive than we've
49:13
had for some. So you know he's he's he's kind
49:18
of he's he's relatable and I think he he does make quite a
49:23
quite an engaging and an interesting character.
49:27
I think he's very well played by John Durf as well, yeah.
49:30
I do too. And he's clever.
49:33
Yeah. Clever, Lapton.
49:38
So for my final choice, this is a it's a difficult one, but I
49:44
think I'm going to go for those early scenes between the Doctor
49:50
and the Brigadier. Because the again, I know Joe,
49:56
you said that we've seen the evolution of the 3rd Doctor
49:59
through throughout this era, but the this is the moment, I think,
50:06
where the Brigadier becomes the Doctor's best friend.
50:10
And that's the thing that will continue because there's no
50:14
reason for the Doctor to keep coming back to Earth at this
50:18
point. The only reason he comes back is
50:21
because he'd hate to admit it. He's formed a real bond with
50:26
this group of people and he really likes the Brigadier and
50:30
we've gone from him calling him Brigadier to calling him
50:34
Alistair, which we've not had before.
50:38
And they're going for nights out together and are they doing this
50:41
all the time or is this a special occasion?
50:43
Are they going out for dinners? They're dating at this point.
50:47
This is a real unit. Dating isn't.
50:49
It but that absolute warmth in those first few scenes where
50:55
they're in the lab and it's all very informal and they've been
50:59
to the theatre. They're they're following up the
51:01
experiments and there's none of that rating of the Brigadier
51:06
that this happened before and treating him, he's not treating
51:10
him as as silly or or not understanding.
51:15
He's there's a meeting of minds that it's like they've come to
51:20
terms with this and actually they just really like each
51:23
other. And that's why the Brigadier is
51:25
there at the end as well, because it's absolutely right he
51:28
was there right at the start not believing that this was the
51:31
Doctor and then he's found the most Dr. E Doctor that he he
51:36
will ever know and. Of course he's got to be there
51:39
at the end to see it because we can't go through all that again.
51:43
No, because, yeah, exactly. And it's absolutely earned by
51:48
Nicholas Courtney. And I think it's a lovely,
51:51
lovely performance in this story.
51:53
And we just get Doris mentioned and all those little hints of
51:56
other other lives that go on. How and how we go from the end
52:01
of Inferno, where he's like, you know, I've had enough of this
52:03
pompous military idiot. To and I'm stuck here on earth
52:07
with you. You Are you saying this where
52:11
he's in the fear and he goes a little bit too much?
52:14
It's. Lovely.
52:17
Well, my last. One, then, is going to be how
52:21
cleverly and subtly I think this story pulls together the era.
52:27
Not just the unit presence, not just the big action set pieces.
52:33
Not just the mention of Joe Grant in the first episode, Not
52:37
just the mentions of monsters. Yeah, not just the mentions of
52:44
the Doctor's back story that was in the Time Monster.
52:47
Not just all of those actors that we've seen throughout the
52:51
era. Not just giving the Doctor
52:53
genuinely thoughtful moments, which part we had throughout his
52:57
run. Like there's so many.
52:59
The only thing, the only thing that is missing is Roger
53:03
Delgado, and I kind of almost wish there was a reference.
53:08
They I can't understand why they didn't do it because the Federer
53:11
passed. Or Liz.
53:13
Liz Yeah. Liz.
53:14
Yeah. Liz as well, yeah.
53:16
But for the most part, this really is pulling in everything,
53:21
and it's not sort of in a showy way like you'd get in the new
53:24
series. No.
53:26
Well, you think when before has. It's very rare that the Doctor
53:32
references his old companions after they've gone, let alone
53:37
have a letter from from Joe. What's from Joe?
53:42
Yeah. You know and that feels
53:46
something special like this is bigger than we we normally get
53:50
because you don't normally get that that call back because the
53:55
show. The book's even better though,
53:56
isn't it? Yes, get that whole sequence of
53:58
Amazon. Yeah.
54:00
And imagine if they'd filmed that.
54:02
Imagine if they'd just done that with Joe and Cliff.
54:05
Just go down some forests in England and film it, you know.
54:09
I love as well that letter that they read out.
54:11
You can absolutely hear Katie running it.
54:14
Goes or they go. So my last thing then is going
54:19
to be Barry, let's. Oh.
54:25
Yes, yes. Because, you know, we've talked
54:28
so much about this being the end of Pertwee era and you know, Jon
54:33
Pertwee even. But this is this is the end of
54:36
Barry Letts and Terry sticks his time and more than any of you
54:40
know turn sticks will come back. Turn sticks will come back and
54:43
write you know stories for the show again.
54:46
You know by let's himself will come back and you know executive
54:50
produce. Or direct Android invasion as
54:53
well. Yeah, but you know, as a as a
54:57
swan song for Perk Way, it's fantastic.
54:59
As a swan song for Barry, let's as well.
55:03
It's to write produce. He is the author.
55:08
He gets to put in everything he wants to put into all of that
55:11
stuff that you mentioned Joe the you know tying up the year with
55:14
a lot of that is this doubt about let's you know Caston you
55:20
know actors that put we he's got on with and you know giving him
55:25
a little treat in in that respect of you know getting rid
55:29
of work with people that he's he likes again and getting to do
55:32
stuff he likes to do again. But it's it's it's a little
55:35
treat for Biolettes as well. You know, he gets to write about
55:38
Buddhism. You know he get he always wanted
55:41
to be more of a director. So he gets to direct, you know,
55:43
and we've talked about like the the script and the direction
55:46
falling flat a little bit of times.
55:47
But you know this isn't going to be the best you know story
55:52
written by Biolettes or directed or produced.
55:54
But it just feels like the complete package because it is
55:58
because he's doing everything. Sort of feels.
56:00
Quintessential Barry let's. Yes, it's absolutely.
56:03
And I think. Pertwee is Pertwee, but it's the
56:05
lefties let's as well. And I think for Pertwee, having
56:10
Barry direct his last story is absolutely perfect because no
56:16
one else is going to quite get it in the way that Barry did.
56:20
And I think that's a spot on piece of work from Barry, let's
56:24
say. Look, it's going to be all
56:26
right, John, because I'm going to be here.
56:28
Look, I'm writing it and I'm going to direct it.
56:31
So whatever happens, you'll be looked after.
56:35
Exactly. I think I'd say this is a
56:39
massively flawed story and I use the phrase it isn't the best
56:43
director that isn't the best written.
56:45
But within those six episodes you do have some of the very
56:50
best moments in the Jumper era and I think that the his death
56:55
at the end is possibly the best moment of the era.
57:00
Other than making him March round.
57:04
Well look boys, I mean, it's been 8 bloody months.
57:07
I can't remember what we said we were going to be doing next.
57:11
Well, we did 2IN between, didn't we?
57:14
So, oh, I know where we're going next.
57:16
Where are we going next, Joe? We're going to redo a story
57:19
that's already been done and do the PG13 version commentary so
57:26
disgusting that Psy refuses to listen to it, so he's now
57:32
redoing it so he can listen to it.
57:37
Fraser's looking confused, so you better give him a quote.
57:40
Well, I I guess we're going to the Death Zone on Gallifrey as
57:44
easy. As pie, as he as pie.
57:47
That's what he said, Fraser. Don't you remember talking about
57:51
doing this one? I still don't know which story
57:54
he's on about. What?
57:58
This is the Terence Dixiest Dick story that there ever was.
58:02
Featuring doctors 1234 and 50. He's doing it.
58:12
But the Dixiest Dix is ambassadors of death, and I've
58:14
done that one. No, that's the Hulkiest home.
58:19
Now we weren't going to do this for the for the anniversary, but
58:22
that's long past now. We did a lot of for the
58:24
anniversary. Absolutely.
58:27
By the time we'll get round to another one, it'll probably be
58:29
the next anniversary. So coming in 20, what is the
58:35
next anniversary? 203533 the.
58:42
Five doctors picturing Simon Hart Fraser and Joe Ford.
58:48
We'll reconvene for that one, and I know we'll have fun with
58:51
it as well. I don't think it's going to be
58:53
too much of A hardship for any of us to re watch that.
58:56
Probably done none of the 12 versions by then.
58:58
You can all once again tell me just how amazing Peter Moffitt's
59:02
direction is. It's the Muffet.
59:10
Go on, say it. I don't think I can even get
59:13
those words out. Fraser, it's.
59:16
The Mafiatius Muffet. I'll cut it right there.
59:20
I'll cut it there.