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84 The Day Jason Mclean Saw a Pterosaur: What Mainstream Science Ignores · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Okay, guys. This week's episode was with one mister Jason McLean.
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  Speaker 1: I he claimed to have had, which I believe him
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  Speaker 1: a an encounter, not an encounter that would be in
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  Speaker 1: Great English, but an encounter with a with a terroristsare
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  Speaker 1: or with some people would refer to as a pterodactyl.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what he claims to see, which you will
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  Speaker 1: also hear in this episode. He was twelve years old
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  Speaker 1: when it happened and he had no one to tell
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  Speaker 1: it to, and then through time being interested in what
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  Speaker 1: he's interested in. He's a writer, an illustrator, very intelligent person.
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  Speaker 1: He met up with certain people. I think he read
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  Speaker 1: up with a mister Ken Goddard, I think he said,
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  Speaker 1: and they started working on a project together and this
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  Speaker 1: kind of came out and he's like, yeah, I've seen
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  Speaker 1: that too. Jason McLean is a New Earth creationist. That
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  Speaker 1: is his belief his worldview. I know that might turn
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people off. It did not for me.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy different perspectives, whether I agree with it or not,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, my own personal beliefs as well. But
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  Speaker 1: he brings them some very interesting points and it's definitely
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  Speaker 1: worth listening to. This episode, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: what you will. You have your own free will to
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  Speaker 1: speak your mind. I do as well, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is an open form for everyone to come on
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  Speaker 1: and talk about what they want to talk about. And
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  Speaker 1: we go into these these whole terrasts, this whole terosaur
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  Speaker 1: thing that I didn't know or I still don't know
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  Speaker 1: much about just from what he told me. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's possible that maybe the Jersey Devil was the pterosaur.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting that the possibility that you know, some
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  Speaker 1: type of dinosaur from the past that we think is
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  Speaker 1: extinct is still in you know, the continuous United States.
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  Speaker 1: And he says that kind of you know, the Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: North Texas is where he's from, you know, all the
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  Speaker 1: way through you know, Laredo towards New Mexico and Arizona
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  Speaker 1: out that way, and even parts of I think California.
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  Speaker 1: He was saying that these things have been cited, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just very interesting. He's not the only person that
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  Speaker 1: I've said that I've talked to who said they've seen
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  Speaker 1: these but nonetheless, it's just a fascinating episode. We get
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  Speaker 1: into some really deep topics about you know, religion, and
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  Speaker 1: science and what it means and the overlapping magistaria of
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  Speaker 1: the both, that they're not mutually exclusive from one another,
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  Speaker 1: and that we just try to use everything in our
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  Speaker 1: toolbox to try to understand what this what this reality is,
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  Speaker 1: what this world is. And uh, it was a very
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  Speaker 1: fun and fascinating conversation with this gentleman. And I hope
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  Speaker 1: my mind as one of the you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode about terosaurs, and I hope you guys
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  Speaker 1: see you guys back here back, see you guys back
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  Speaker 1: here next week. And uh yeah, shout out to one
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  Speaker 1: mister Jason McClean.
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  Speaker 2: Pleasure to meet you, Tom, Pleasure to meet you too. Man.
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  Speaker 2: We spoke briefly in the green room.
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  Speaker 1: That was that was interesting, you know, that was always
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  Speaker 1: enjoy you know, meeting people for the first time. I
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  Speaker 1: was telling you that our buddy Jim Powell from The
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  Speaker 1: Night's Watch got me in contact with you, and uh yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 1: how's how's your day going? How are themes? Things are fine?
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  Speaker 3: It's finally getting hot here in Texas, like, like I'm
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  Speaker 3: in North Texas and this is honestly the greenest like
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  Speaker 3: we've had so much rain obviously, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't work out all that well for a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, this is We've had a lot of rain
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  Speaker 3: this year and it's really only now getting hot. Normally
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  Speaker 3: we've had you know, like a week or so above
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  Speaker 3: one hundred, and like we're just now getting into the
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  Speaker 3: hundreds and it's not staying consistent. So this is really
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  Speaker 3: pleasant for this time. Right, grass is still green. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with myself other than that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm just having a lot of fun working
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  Speaker 3: on comics and books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's that's that's very interesting because I'm actually down.
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  Speaker 1: Here on the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, so it's always
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  Speaker 1: hot down here. I mean I think like the coldest
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  Speaker 1: temperature I've seen for a daytime high is like seventy
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  Speaker 1: four seventy five. But other than that, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: ten ninety five hundred degree humidity. So I know all
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  Speaker 1: about it, dude, And yeah, dude, it is what it is. Brother,
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  Speaker 1: do me a favorite, Tell me a little bit about yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like where this began for you,
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  Speaker 1: maybe where we can find you things of that nature.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the easiest way.
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  Speaker 3: To find me is I'm on YouTube and rumble Seru
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  Speaker 3: papers dot com si r u papers dot Com. I
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  Speaker 3: also have a website that basically just links you to
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  Speaker 3: my other stuff. It's again, which is also Syriu papers
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  Speaker 3: dot com. Uh, try to keep it easy for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so just s I r U Papers.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. My story is actually pretty simple. I grew up
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  Speaker 3: here in North Texas, just south of Dallas and small town,
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  Speaker 3: small suburbs called De Soto. Grew up a Young Earth creationist,
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  Speaker 3: believing in a lot of things. Had my encounter when
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  Speaker 3: I was twelve. We'll talk about that probably here in
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. And I didn't believe my own encounter
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  Speaker 3: at all because I'm like, it can't be where I couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't have seen what I saw where I saw it.
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  Speaker 2: So lived my life always sort of on the side
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  Speaker 2: of thing, on the the crypto side of things.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I knew Craig Woolheater back when, back
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  Speaker 3: when he was still doing Cryptomundo, like that was the
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  Speaker 3: big cryptosological website. I met Lyle, you know Lyle Blackburn
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  Speaker 3: Ken care Heart well over ten years ago, and I
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  Speaker 3: knew them for years before I eventually came out about
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  Speaker 3: my story, because the thing is I didn't really I
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  Speaker 3: still was like, there's no way I believed it, and
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  Speaker 3: talked to them because they were doing a thing. Ken
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  Speaker 3: and Lywle were doing a thing, and and I just
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  Speaker 3: realized I had I did see what I saw because
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  Speaker 3: they had already they were already talking to people with
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  Speaker 3: similar encounters near where I was. And so that sort
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  Speaker 3: of allowed me to move to the public facing part
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  Speaker 3: of what I do, uh, and did a lot of
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  Speaker 3: you know, actually did a lot of on the ground
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  Speaker 3: where I was, and and learned that, yeah, there's more
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  Speaker 3: than enough evidence that there is some sort of breeding
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  Speaker 3: population of terroo sare that is here and and really
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  Speaker 3: has been here for a long time. What's funny is
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  Speaker 3: I am the dumbest person on earth. I So I
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  Speaker 3: actually wrote a.
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  Speaker 2: Book called Wiver, and I think I think I took
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  Speaker 2: it down.
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  Speaker 3: It was It's a very very very short book with
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  Speaker 3: like twenty pages, I think. But what I what I
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  Speaker 3: did was I used because I am an artist trained
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  Speaker 3: in art as an art historian. Actually I make my
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  Speaker 3: life as an escor officer because that pays the bills, right.
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  Speaker 3: But I was able to sort of use art. History's
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  Speaker 3: a way of saying, look, there is reason to believe
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  Speaker 3: that the wivern specifically is a is a ramfractoid to terosaur.
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  Speaker 3: And spent a lot of time showing how that's really
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  Speaker 3: the only answer we can come to, and that we
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  Speaker 3: can kind of trace it there its impact through art
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  Speaker 3: and connecting some things. And I did all this before
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  Speaker 3: I before I ever talked to ken In Lyle about
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  Speaker 3: my sighting, and it wasn't until very recent kind of
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  Speaker 3: looked back and I said, oh, the entire reason I
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  Speaker 3: wrote that book was because my subconscious was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hey, dummy, you saw something right right right.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, looking back on it, I'm like, oh, that's
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  Speaker 3: what I was doing. But at the time I would
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  Speaker 3: have been like, no, I couldn't have seen what I saw.
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  Speaker 3: But we can look at evidence and show that these
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  Speaker 3: things have been around.
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  Speaker 1: So you're having like a little bit of like cognitive
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  Speaker 1: dissonance in your own head, like to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But I appreciate that, honestly, I really do, at least
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  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people who do that, and
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  Speaker 1: they simply will not they'll spew it out, but they
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  Speaker 1: won't actually let reflect it back in and that you
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  Speaker 1: actually did it in a book and then go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and took it down. That's very interesting journey that you
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  Speaker 1: took for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and like I said, I took it down just
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  Speaker 3: because I think it could do a better job in
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  Speaker 3: the future.
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  Speaker 2: Oh fair enough.
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  Speaker 3: So, but it's like I didn't realize why I had
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  Speaker 3: done the book. And really I leave a lot of
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  Speaker 3: my stuff up only because I want there to be
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  Speaker 3: a trail of where I'm coming from, because I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to try and hide. It's like, Okay, well I've
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  Speaker 3: changed my mind on something, or maybe I have a
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  Speaker 3: different view on something. I want everything to stay up
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  Speaker 3: so I can go back and reference it and say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I did think this, here's why I've changed my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's great, man. I like that a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: like that, Like I.
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  Speaker 3: Think the second video I did on the new run
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  Speaker 3: of Syrup, I've had I've got a couple of other
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  Speaker 3: channels stuff, and I've i had done a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Cereal papers and I came back to Okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: do this because I didn't like the the whole rat
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  Speaker 3: race of doing live streaming.
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  Speaker 2: I started off in Texas front Porch. Okay, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually his first co host, helped sort of
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  Speaker 3: get him off the ground there for a while, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of did my own thing, did some
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: stuff over and untold radio and just kind of get
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  Speaker 3: in the field of what I like, what I don't like.
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  Speaker 3: And I realized I don't really want to do this
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  Speaker 3: as a thing, right, but I realized I should have
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  Speaker 3: a place for my thoughts to exist on this material.
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  Speaker 3: So I restarted papers from scratch. But like I did
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  Speaker 3: a video, I didn't like how I did it, but
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  Speaker 3: instead of taking it down, I just redid it because
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  Speaker 3: I want people to go back and say, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: see why you while you do that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that kind of accountability is important, right, agreed, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in this field.
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  Speaker 3: Where there's so many people out there and I will
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  Speaker 3: not say again, I will never state names, but there's
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  Speaker 3: so many people out there who will just who are deliberately,
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  Speaker 3: knowingly lying to make a buck.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, oh, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's it's it's kind of disgusting actually, because
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  Speaker 1: people are having real experiences, real encounters, and those are
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  Speaker 1: being then subverted by this you know, this this this nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, man, Yeah, and so now I'm so I
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  Speaker 3: think that's that kind of accountability is important.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's a I'm right now I'm focusing
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  Speaker 2: on more.
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  Speaker 3: On doing things like comics and books. I'm actually working
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  Speaker 3: on my first true fiction book.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be a light.
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  Speaker 3: Novel, which is essentially a novel, but with a lot
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  Speaker 3: of illustrations is probly the way to look at it.
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  Speaker 3: Uh but that's a lot of fun. And so do
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  Speaker 3: the illustrations as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. God, I'm an illustrator. Yep. Cool and uh so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean that's that's me. I'm I'm a biblical paranormal researcher,
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  Speaker 2: which is created to ask so people ask the question,
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  Speaker 2: what does the Bible have to do with any of this? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: And I would suggest everything, uh my.
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  Speaker 3: My belief is that every every worldview right has there
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  Speaker 3: are are is built on subpositions and you should be
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  Speaker 3: able to test out any worldview, any opinion, any theory,
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  Speaker 3: any hypothesis with reality, right, what do we actually see?
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  Speaker 2: What do we actually encounter? And the thing is, I
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  Speaker 2: would suggest that.
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  Speaker 3: A biblical worldview actually predicts what we find in nature
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  Speaker 3: and what we actually observe rather than necessarily what we're
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  Speaker 3: told reality is half the time, right true? And so
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  Speaker 3: that's that's sort of where I stay stand. I believe,
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  Speaker 3: you know a lot of people have said, well, Jason,
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  Speaker 3: you got to have an interest in politics and philosophy
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. It's like, why do this, because
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  Speaker 3: haven't you sort of having you sort of sacrificed any
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  Speaker 3: of those any of those thoughts or desires by doing this,
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  Speaker 3: because now you're the crazy guy who talks about bigfoot.
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  Speaker 2: And living terroosaurs.
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  Speaker 3: And my point is there's plenty of people running around
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  Speaker 3: doing all this other stuff right there, really is. There
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  Speaker 3: isn't a lot of people here talking about this in
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  Speaker 3: this space. But more importantly is I believe politics, culture,
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  Speaker 3: and philosophy are the children of worldview. I think worldview
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  Speaker 3: is far more important than any of those other things
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  Speaker 3: because if you get the right worldview, then everything else
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  Speaker 3: is going to shake itself out. People can't do terrible
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  Speaker 3: things to one another if their worldview believe, if their
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  Speaker 3: worldviews that human beings are intrinsically.
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  Speaker 2: Valuable, right, that is agreed, that is one hundred percent agreed.
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  Speaker 1: Every atrocity that you can go and shake a stick out,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be you know, mal polepot Hitler and the dude,
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  Speaker 1: the dude in Russia, I can't think his name like
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  Speaker 1: Stalin any of those.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
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  Speaker 1: I could see his picture, but I couldn't spit the
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  Speaker 1: name out. Every time you any the genocide in Rwanda
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  Speaker 1: in ninety four, any of those things that you can
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  Speaker 1: look into, you can see the first thing they do
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  Speaker 1: is dehumanize. And when you don't see people as humans anymore,
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  Speaker 1: then you can do the most awful atrocities to do them.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And that's and again, that's the whole point is that
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  Speaker 3: if the I would suggest a biblic cool worldview represents
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  Speaker 3: what we and explains, not just explains, but predicts what
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  Speaker 3: we find right. And a great example of this would
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  Speaker 3: be what I saw, which is why you had me
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  Speaker 3: on here to talk about living terroosaurs. And we can
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  Speaker 3: talk about living dinosaurs in.
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  Speaker 2: General, but.
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  Speaker 3: Allow me to throw one little seeming kink into all
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  Speaker 3: of this and then we'll move Then we can move forward,
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  Speaker 3: because again I think everything we need to have all
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  Speaker 3: of our cards on the table. While I'm a Young
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  Speaker 3: Earth creationist, I use the word young in quotation marks
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not saying it has to be six thousand
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  Speaker 3: years old. It could be much older. Right, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot it's I agree when people say, like the the
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  Speaker 3: genealogies are not intended to be read necessarily as the
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  Speaker 3: way we would read them, where a timeline can be created,
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  Speaker 3: an accurate timeline would be crea.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's that's ay from it.
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  Speaker 3: Because a lot of the things in scripture uses literary
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  Speaker 3: devices that we that's so foreign to our concept that
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  Speaker 3: we don't see them, right, And so I'm very open
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  Speaker 3: to things probably a little bit older than that. However,
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  Speaker 3: that having been said, I still think it means something there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's like it's like you can say, hey, well these
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  Speaker 3: things are literary devices, that's great, but they still mean
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  Speaker 3: something there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Oh it's literary device, so I'll just make it mean
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: whatever I want. Right, That's not how that works. They're
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: still telling this story that is that doesn't line up
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: with what we're told reality is. So, you know, living pterosaurs,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: terosaurs are just reptiles.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: They're not dinosaurs. They are just they're reptiles. We have
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: for you know, turtles and crocodiles.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And snakes, and they go they seemingly go all the
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: way back right, so they're being a.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Pterosaur or a group of living terosaurs.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Does not necessarily mean the Earth is six thousand years older,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: seven fifteen thousands. It doesn't have to mean that. But
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: it's one part of data. It's it's a it's a
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: set of data that suggests that the story we are
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: being told is inconsistent with the reality we actually live in.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: And that's the important part for me on this, Okay,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: And so let's just start with my story. Sure I can,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: so I can get into explaining how dumb I am
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: about not believing my own story.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll keep it kind of short. I do
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: like the longer version of my book Metroplex Monsters, but
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the easy story version of the story is for those
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: who don't know, North Texas sits on a very large,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: essentially slab of limestone. Right.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Essentially, Texas used to be covered in water until the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: ocean realized, oh crap, this is Texas.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I don't belong here, right, left, right, the way God
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: intended it, buddy, exactly.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So there's this massive limestone slab that we sit on
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: in like every other we used to call it chalk
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: rock with limestone has a fossilate like just all of
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: it's aquatic fossils, right, but we have a very thin
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: layer of soil on top of it. So in North Texas,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: most of the really large creeks are cut into that limestone. Okay,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: And of course, obviously it's North Texas, so we don't
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: really get a lot of rain. We get we get it,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: so we get a lot in the spring normally we
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: have flooding and then you know, it's kind of dry
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: for the rest of the year. Obviously we do get
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: some rain, but mostly it's dry.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So the really.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It reminds me so much, that's exactly what you could
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: have peninsula is. It's a it's an outcrop that used
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: to be on the bottom of the ocean. It's all limestone.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: There's actually no many no like rivers are all underground
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and they have these sapoles called snow tases. Yeah, it's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: like underground rivers. And uh, it's it's dry for about
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: half of the year and then half of the year
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it rains in the night time, but other than that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: or in the evening, excuse me, other than that, it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like we're talking to, say, very thin
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: layer of popsil, very rocky, very interesting.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're well again, we're not all that far aparts,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you know, from a you know, sort of geographic location.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Sure. So yeah, so that's basically North Texas. Right.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: The reason life exists here at all is because of
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: the Trainy River and the and the tributaries. Right, so
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: we kind of have to build around the floodplains a
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: little bit. And that's where all the trees are, that's
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: where all the that's where all the scrub brushes, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: we mow right up to it. In fact, in my book,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I literally call it the green wall because essentially we're like, okay,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: this is the wild area. We're just gonna mow right
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: up to that point. And then we kind of have
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: to leave the rest alone because it's a floodplaine. It
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: will flood. There's nothing we do to stop it, okay,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: all right. And so what that does is it creates
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: this wall like you can't see into it. You move,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: you go across any highway, any any road here, you'll
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: see that line and it's a green wall. And the
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: thing is, once you get past that, it's basically open
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: and in that green wall is heaviest around all of
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: our deeper creeks and rivers because again that's where the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: water goes, right exactly, So it's really easy for things
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: to move in and.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Out of there. I mean, you can move a whole
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: army of elephants.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: No one would see anything unless they're literally in like
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: a on like a a bridge looking down. Okay, So
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: growing up, we would go to this the ten mile Creek,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: which is on the south side of that of actually
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: runs right through to Soto.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: It was just south of where I lived.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And Texas are amazing, and a lot of things name
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: creative naming not really one of them. Right, It's like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: why is it called the ten mile Creek?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Take a wild guess it's ten miles long now, right,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, what why is we call this cedar hill
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: because it's a hill with cedar trees on it? Right, Again,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: lots of things were good at creative naming, not among them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: So you know, I'm a gen Well, I'm like the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: last year of gen X, and so you know, like
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of us, I spent my summers in the
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: creeks and fishing and you know, being in nature because
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: it's like, no, get out of the house.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And yes, I'm I'm nineteen eighty. So that's like in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: seventy nine. Eighty is like the last year I'm with you. Yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: where I am.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So I was out, you know, just with my with
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: my friends. It was like or with a friend of mine.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And it's about eleven am. I'm like, I'm not yet twelve.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: It's nineteen ninety two, so I'm eleven and a half
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: at this point. And we were wrapping up fishings like
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: ten thirty eleven and he So these creeks are prettyly
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: The ten Mile Creek is like ten to fifteen feet
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: below basically where the ground is, and the only way
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: to get in is there were there were these places
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: where the walls kind of collapsed in and made like
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a shore, okay, and you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the creek's like ten like really fifteen twenty feet apart
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: in some places, but we're definitely fifteen, you know, ten
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: fifteen foot down on average.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And we were packing up.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: He was already kind of up the incline through the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: tree line, and I was packing up.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I had made it up the.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: The collapsed wall part and I just entered the tree
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: line when I heard something that I'd never heard before,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: and it was loud. If it's just you know, like
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you're can you can sort of not just hear the direction,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: but you can hear like it's coming towards you or
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: maybe something, or it's aimed away from you. And it
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: just felt like it was coming towards me. And the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: only thing I can describe it as is it sounds
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: like an ugly crow. Okay, as far as the cause,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: you know, they cob, but it's like it was louder,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and it just it was an uglier version of It's
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the only way I have been describing it. And so
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, the heck was that? And I poked my
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: head out and I see what I think.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm essentially in the middle.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Of this straightaway right because it's a creek so meanders.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: But I am literally the middle of this straightaway. It's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: maybe fifty yards across or fifty yards long. Rather, I'm
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: right in the middle of it, and I'm elevated now.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And so I see what I think is the biggest
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: blue heron I've ever seen in my life, wingspan around
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: eight to ten feet, because again I can see the
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: walls like I can see it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I know how why this is.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, that's an massive blue heron because it's
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the same color. The wings were sort of shaped the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: same way, and I thought I saw it's like sticking
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: out behind it, like, oh, it's a really really big
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: blue heron. And then it gets five it gets right
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: in front of me and its right wing tip is five.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Feet from my face. Oh wow. And that's when I
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: realized what I'm looking at doesn't have feathers. Oh shit, dude,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what is it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: There's there's that moment of I'm not looking at because
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: you don't. When a heron flies, it does that s
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: curved thing with the neck where it sort of puts
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: its at the back of its head on its shoulders
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: right right right, and it sticks its legs out. Well,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: then that's what I realized. I'm not looking at the legs.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at a tail with like.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: This little sort of almost diamond esque shaped flange at
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the end of it. Okay, And then I just watched
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: it as it just goes on by and then banks
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: right and disappears. And that's it. I don't mean disappear
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: as it fat just me it disappeared.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Around the corner right right, and and the guy I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: was with cam right, guys like what are you doing?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Like did you just see the tear tactyl? And he's like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: stop messing with me. I'm I'm going and I just
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: there's this. I didn't believe what I saw because I'm like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I live in De Soto, Texas. My the north Dallas
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: or De Soto stops where Dallas begins. I live in
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the seventh largest conturbation in the country. There's no way
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I saw what I saw. Okay, that's a big word.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: What's conturbation? Metroplex? Yeah, a metroplex. Yeah, essentially, it is
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: a it's not a singular say, it's a group of
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: cities that's metroplex.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, metroplex.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm from the Baltimore, Washington, Philadelphia, New York.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That's a huge one. It's like probably the biggest one.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah it is, so yeah, so you feel me. So
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm so, I'm like, there's no way and I go.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: But I sit down and I pull up my favorite
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: dinosaur book and I'm pipping through because I I knew
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a terror A pterodactyl per se right, because
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: pterodactyls are different from refractoid pterosaurs.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Pterosaur is a bigger fan.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But I was like, it's not a terra because most
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: people think of tyrannidon, right, because it's got the long
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: beak and it's got the crest, no tail, that's what's
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you know, that's what everyone That's what Raquel Welch was fighting,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you know back in the day.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly the Winstones had, you know.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: So but I'm like, that wasn't what I saw. But
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I knew what I saw wasn't right. And so I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: flipping through and I find them and it's this family
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: called Ramfaractoid right in the you know name for the
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: ram prancas it means tooth beat and generally they were
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: smaller on average, and they had a long flanged tail.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what I saw, But I just
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: realized no one was gonna believe me.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I couldn't have seen this.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Because even though again my father took me to the
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Creation Evidence Museum, I knew Doctor Ball when I was
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a kid. I went on fossil hunts with them. You know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I believe the Luckness Monster existed at that time. But
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: those things only existed in strange, far off locations like
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Scotland height right. They don't exist where I am right.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Right, where you have the one in Champlain Lake in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: New York. That's still far away though, I mean that's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: still far right.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, You've got Lake Champlain, You've got the Pacific Northwest
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: where Bigfoot was and at that point that's all That's
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the only place I thought it was outside the head
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: right right right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, Dad, there's no way this is where
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I have to stress. I'm an idiot. I think it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: was two years later.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: The Mysterious Origins of Man came on INBC and it
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: was narrated by Oh, I just forgot his name, Charlton Heston,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Charlston Heston, and it was on NBC and it was like, Hey,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: here's all this weird stuff that doesn't make sense with
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the world around us. This is where I was first
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: introduced to David Hatchrid Childers, right, And my father got
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the companion video cassette for me, and I'm watching it
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: and it's talking about the sightings of terror of a
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: lot of living terosaurs in Texas. But that's all Brownsville,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: South to the Rio Grand Valley. Okay, as anyone can
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: tell you, Texas.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Is really big. We're really really big. So I'm thinking, okay, well,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it's brown Tomsville, the Rio Grand Valley.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: That's nowhere near where I am. So there's no way
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: what I saw could have anything to do with those things. Plus,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: they were all describing terranadons, you know, pterodactyls. They weren't
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: describing what I saw. So I just said, Okay, I
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: must have missed I must have miss seen this. I've
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: never heard anyone talk about living terroostors in North Texas.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I've never no one else is talking about this. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: have to be wrong because things like that don't live here.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And even though I've got a video, I really have
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the video Becausetre, They're talking about these living things in
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: my state. I'm like, that's too far away. Again, I'm thirteen,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: fourteen at this time. I haven't I don't realize birds
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: like that, birds can travel thousands of.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Miles, and it's understandable. Man, I'm twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: You know, the like you know you're going you're starting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: your hormonal stage. There's a lot of things that are
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: just you know, you can also remember, you know, there's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a part in your mind and go, did I remember
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that wrong?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You question yourself. But at
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the same time, it was only five feet away from you.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So then it's like that you haven't like once again
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: this cognitive dissonance in your mind.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: So it's understandable. It's understandable. So I go off, I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: have you know, normal adventures college, I get married, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: there's some stuff that happens around college too that would
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: come back to affect my bigfoot career that I fell
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: backwards into open a comic book's store, closed the comic
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: book store. But by that point I had met Craig
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: wool Heater with Crypto Window. Right, I've been in this.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I've been on the back end of a lot of this.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: For over twenty years because again I technically got my
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: start in the nineties with Creation Evidence. And like I said,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I had known Ken and Lyle for years and then
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: they do a they do an introduction or let me
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: phrase it, they're doing a pilot for a show, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Lyle was like, hey, do is anybody had any stories
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: about things and swamps? So I fire back, being a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: little bit of a smart ass do have about terror
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: stars and creeks? And he goes, Oh, actually that's perfect
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: because that's our we're doing a fit.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: We're doing one of the shows is.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: On the Oklahoma Demon Flyer and Living Terroo stores in Oklahoma.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, I'm like, I'm sorry. What By the way,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: for those who don't know, when I say Ken Gerhart,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: the man is literally the greatest scryptos. I'll just live
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: right now as far as I'm concerned for my money.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: But he literally wrote this book, Hold on Big Bird
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Modern Sightings of Flying Monsters. This is literally about terosaurs
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: in Texas and they have a Ranfhactoid on the cover.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I had known this man for years and never told
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: my story. So again I am an idiot. I'd even
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I had written my book withvern showing that these things
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: had lit We're alive, not just up until the Middle Ages,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: but actually until much much close, much more recently, and
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: gave reason to believe that they were, that they were
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: the reason for.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: The sighting for the Jersey Devil and others. But I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: never I did not say that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't accept that I was seeing that I
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: saw what I saw until I'm talking with ken Lyle
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and they're showing me this sculpture. It was made by
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: an eyewitness from Oklahoma, which is.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I like an hour. I'm a little over an hour
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: from the border of Texas and Oklahoma. Okay, like I'm
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I'm much more closer to Oklahoma than I am to Waco.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I can get to wake like a little over
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: forty minutes. I'm definitely closer than I am to Austin.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking at this and he did it the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: way I remembered it, right, It's like, yeah, it's neck
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: curved back on itself.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It looks like it looked.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Like a a again, a blue heron.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: That was wrong.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: It's like it's looks like a heron, but it's not.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: And that's when I realized I'm not alone in this, right,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: And so that's why I kind of turned towards a
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: more public facing aspect of my research and start you know, interviewing,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: working on the book, being more public about who I
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: am and what I do. And so so I start
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: finding random people. There were people I had known for years,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I mean decades. They're like, Okay, since you're doing this,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I gotta tell you a story. Now, they weren't always
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: about flying tear stars, but I was shocked by how
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: many people had.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Stories of flying terror stares.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: People I had known people had just and I when
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I was just looking at going around asking people, you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to you know, for my book. I I would go to, uh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: just drive all over and you know, go and find
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: something and say, hey, do you have any weird stories
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: about anything weird that's happened to you?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: And they're like, well, what do you mean? Like, well,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: what do you mean by weird? Right? No, front loading
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: know nothing.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: How often people would say well, you know what because
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I told him I was working on a book and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: about the weird stuff of North Texas, you know, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: they're like, well, let me tell you this story. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: they're talking about flying terra or living terror starts or
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: something else that happened. It showed up way more often
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: than I realized.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, And people are still coming, like I. Ken says
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: he's got like fifty.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Last time I talked to him about this a couple
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of years ago, he said he had over fifty accounts
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: of living terroostwars. And I realized, my say that like
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I only had, like I think I've only got ten
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: or fifteen at this point, but those are entirely separate
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: from his. And again, I don't know if he would
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: call all of his terror stars per se, but flying
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: anomalies would be the best way to classify it. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the thing is, I'm very very particular about what I
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: say is a terror what I classify as a terror
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: sword because I do have this other large flying thing
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: that I can't I can't say as a terror storer
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: because they didn't get a good enough look at it, right, okay,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: And so I have way more of these accounts of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: people saying I'm driving at night and this thing fly this.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: They will just say it's a big bird, but they
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: don't that's the only word they have to use.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was. It's been in my purview for
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: a minute. I mean, I you know, you kind of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you know if you're getting to get into what I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: getting into here.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You know I've been doing for a year and a half,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: two years, you know, you know, you know, you hear your.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Dog man here, your big foot, you hear your window gos,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: you hear your NEADALUSI and all these and then I
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: don't know, just something ran across and Uh, and uh,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: it's like really terri like you know, because you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: being someone because you're saying these words, I'm not going
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to write them down that way, I can actually look
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: into it myself when I go ahead and put the
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: description in, because I think I want to make sure
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that what you're saying is then, you know, accurately represented.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: So I appreciate it right of course.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, but I do know the words aerodactically,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know, you get the flendstones and all this, like
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you were talking exactly. So when I when I hear it,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's something that you know, it's not out
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of my you know, realm of understanding that I need
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to you know, dig into it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: But uh, it makes complete sense.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You know, being a person who's who's actually witnessed one
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of these things and then starts going around and starts
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: finding it leads a lot of credence to you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the the the how would you say it?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: How often it's happening.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But also being in a place where like Texas is
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, people are very stoic. They're
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not going to sit there, They're not going to sit
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and talk about something that they've seen because other people
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: are going to, like, you know, look down their nose
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: at them. So I think the way you went about
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it by you know, kind of like introducing yourself and saying,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I'm writing a book because I've experienced this, I just
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: want to know if you know anything, was probably the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: right way to go about it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Dude, Really well, I appreciate that. And that's that because again,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I just realized I didn't believe myself. It wasn't until
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I was given evidence that other people and they were
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: describing the same thing. And literally everyone I believe that
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: had an actual encounter, because there's always gonna be people
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: who come along with something and you know the Yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: it was a terroosaur and it had electric wings, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: it had a mohawk, and it talked to me and
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: it smoked weed with me. You're like, Okay, I have
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: a distinct feeling this may not be what you think
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: it is, right, but everyone that I believe literally starts
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: like this. There's only there's only like two that don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: really fit this mold, but that you know, for other
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: reasons because of the context. But it's always I thought
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I was looking at a heron a pelican, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: a crane. They'll use whatever word, but they're always describing
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: one of these larger birds that that will do the
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: s curve thing with their neck right, because they have
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: a longer necks. They they rest their head and they
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: and it's like, but then I got a closer look,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: you know, like that's the next word. It's then I
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: looked closer, and I realized I was not looking at
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: this thing.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I looked.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: They're like, that's it isn't Well, I just knew there
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: was something going on. It was no, I'm just looking
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, hey, look there's a there's a bird,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: or there's a pelican. I'm in traffic and I'm just
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: kind of waiting, or it's flying right beside us, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: then we realize it's not right right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: It looks like.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: You have to kind of develop a toolbox when it
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: comes to talking to certain people to see it's it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: difficult because there are people who can just look right
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: rad your face and lie to you. We know this, yeah,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and there's been especially doing what you've done and what
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm sure it's happened on my show. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I try to get everyone the benefit of the doubts
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: because I want other people who really do have it
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to be able to come on. And it's hard to like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you know, sit right there and go, hey, dude, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: think you're you know, you know, you're blowing a smoke up.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: A butt here.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's very important to develop a toolbox
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in which you can like determine whether a person is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you the truth or not. It's it's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: hard to do, it really is. Oh it's it's yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That was the Again. I'd done sales for a while,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: so yeah, you know my frien, yeah, you know.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Bit to come from.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I learned how to sell from my father, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: know who. He ran his own mechanic shop. And the
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: one thing I always said is you have to you
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: have to care about the person because he's like I
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: can sit here and I can be ask them or
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I can tell them the truth, but I have to
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: be able to explain it to them in a way
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: that they understand what I'm telling them. And so you
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: learn to read people while you're doing that, and that's
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: how and I've I learned to do that and I realized, okay,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I've got a ton of I got a ton more
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: sightings and things that I just don't I just I
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: have them on the eh sort of shelf because I
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: don't know that I'm being told the truth here, right,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that they're always lying, insomuch as you know,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: they may just have mis seen what it is. So
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the reason I keep my my numbers very low on
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: the terror swards because yeah, I want people to see
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: terrorist wars like I want that story. The problem is
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I do want it, and so I have to realize
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that my own personal bias is going to make is
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: making me want to move towards believing somebody.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're filtering it, You're felt, you're trying to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: filter the stories you're having through your own It's the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: ego is completely wrong word, but the word close to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that one like your own, your uncouth, your own morals,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: your own values, and you want it to be as
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: honest and as close as the truth as it possibly can.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So therefore you keep your numbers low, and that is
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: very commendable. Not no one wants to do that anymore,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: especially nowadays in the old days like our you know,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: your dad and my dad. It is like a hand
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: A man's handshake is worth is worth more than any
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: inkle in any paper, you know what I mean. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: uh so we have those values still that are intrinsic
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: within us, that is in our culture.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Actually we used to be anyway, Yeah, it used to be.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: So it's one of the things where I because again
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I do take all this seriously.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I genuinely believe that what I focus on the beginning
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: with creation evidence in the end with eschatology, because I
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: believe it's the middle of the book that matters, right,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: because the middle of the book is where we are.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: So if I can show you, hey, there's stuff going on,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: you know, people talk about it in times like okay, cool,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: let's look at that. But if I can show you
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: that the beginning of the story, the beginning of that
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: book is accurate, that what you would expect to find
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: is what we're seeing living dinosaurs, fossil record doesn't really
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: make sense, evidence of cataclysmic events. If that beginning of
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the book is is matching up with reality, that means
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the middle of the book is also matching up with reality.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And that's a that's a big things. That's where we live.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: That's where we are. Every person who's ever.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Lived has lived in the middle of this book.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: When you're saying cataclysmic events, are you talking like not
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Graham Hancock but his partner. Oh yeah, yeah, I can't
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: guy the name he has, No, it's another gentleman. He
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: always goes to the bad lands and he shows where
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: he thinks of media or a strike hit.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm terrible with.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible with names sometimes too. But yeah, like things
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of that nature where you can see like the water
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: come up and all of a sudden, it can kind
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of explain a lot of actually, you know, like the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: biblical floods and how the flood is actually found in
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: through like every you know, everybody's you know, like grounding
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: or basic uh you know, culture from the beginning and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Things of that nature is what you're
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: trying to refer to, right, Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: The flood of Noah is a worldwide cataclysmic event that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: every culture remembers in one way or another. Yes.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And what I found is because again a lot of
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: my work was originally I was actually gonna be an
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: archaeologist by kind of after speaking to enough people, I realized,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you find the wrong thing, you become.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: A florist, right, Okay.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Because the modern academic believes in science in quotation marks. Again,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: you find the wrong thing. They will be happy to
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: have a to have certain conversations within a certain realm
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: of parameters. But you're like, hey, by the way, what
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: about this thing over here? You don't get to talk
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: about that thing if you want to keep your job.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: So I kind of oh, yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, you destructed. But by the way, the name
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: was Rama Carlson. I pulled it out.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I finally was able to look out there. Yeah, I exactly, dude.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: If people just I say, do it a lot. It's my thing.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But if you just look at like Egyptology itself, just
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: look at egitology, and that's everything you need to know from.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: There's your starting point. And to what Jason is talking,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I'm speaking to the audience now as if you're here
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in the recording as we're doing it, but if it
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: was live it would be different. But at that feeling, yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I completely understand. Academia does the horse blinders, and if
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: they don't, they don't get paid, they don't get grants,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and they don't do a lot of things. Oh it
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: was Clovis first, Oh was it? You know, there's a
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: lot of things like oh yeah, bug, the curl out
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of me. Absolutely.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: So in this kind of ties back into the well
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: how do we because the one question everyone has is
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: how do we still have terroo stors? But like I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: said at the beginning, we still have stinks and turtles
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: and crocodiles. So if you want to believe the Earth
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: is for you know, universe is fourteen billion years old
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: because it blew up randomly on a Tuesday, that's fine.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: There is a way for them to be terror stars
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: alive today. It does become a problem though, right like no, no, lie,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: this and other and other creatures that we can talk
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: about here in a little bit. The fact that they're scene,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: they still seem to be around is a problem unless
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the flood was much more recent and that's the thing
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: that caused these mass extinctions. And I would suggest the
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: fact that we have fossils is the evidence of that
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: flood more specifically, because the only thing because again the
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: thing about science is it has to be testable and repeatable.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: The problem with the problem with the question of origins
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: is that it's not a question of science, it's a
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: question of history because by definition, origins cannot be repeated.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I cannot scientifically prove I can't scientifically prove that that
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Napoleon was at Waterloo. I can't, right, No, you can
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: what you can do them?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Dude, You're killing me, Duke, keep going out. I'm really
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: enjoying that. That was a great statement.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Dude. You just got to rock my world right there
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: for a second. That was great. Thank you. I have
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to I have to give that one to my to
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: my father in law, so you have. But you're having
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: your moments too, Jason. Just go for it, dude, you're
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: doing great. You know.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: It's like I can I can prove scientifically someone that
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you know, he could have been there, but I can't
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: prove that he was there through science. I can use history.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: But that's the whole point. This is all history. So
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: what we have to do is we are reconstructing what
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: occurred in the past with what we can work on today.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Fossilization and anyone will tell you this requires water. Right,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: all those buffalo right that that wild Bill Hiccock and
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: his buddies slaughtered in the plane, not one of them
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: are going to be fossilized. My cat that I had
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that I buried last year is not going to turn
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: into a fossil what requires fossilization, and this is something
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: that is provable, documentable we see all the time. In fact,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: you can send things to like you can send a
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Teddy Bear or a friend of mine sent a coke
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: bottle to the spices and they can mineralize them because
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: it requires water with heavy minerals in it. Right of course,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: and the fact that we have fossilized and I don't
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: mean just preserved will come to that in a second,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: but fossilized soft tissue shows that the fossilization happens really
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: really quickly. Going back to those uh.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, dude, that's who we're getting at, or.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: When people say, hey, you know, these things take take
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: millions of years. It can't take millions of years, or
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't fossilize because it would decay. On top of that, again,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: my favorite fossils are fish fossils. I think they're beautiful.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: We have thousands, and I do mean thousands, probably millions
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of the of not just fish fossils, but it's like
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: here's a school of fish and they're just instantly frozen
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: in time. Here's one fish eating another fish and they're
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: like half in half out and flesh freeze. Yeah, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: there's bam. We have fossils of ichthosaurs giving birth to
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: live young. We have that show that they were that
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: they also would give birth to love young. We just
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: don't have them where they're coming out, right, but it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: there inside the massare. We have tons of these stores.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: And then we have all these other fossils where it's like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: here's a velociraptor fighting at protoceratops and they were like
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: clearly fighting. Well, if fossilization is this random thing that
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: just kind of happens and they die.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Then you wouldn't get that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, in in nature, if something dies in nature,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: it is gone inside of a week. So the question becomes, well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: how do we have these fossils more? And here's where
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: it gets worse. What about the trackways that we have
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: these fossil trackways of dinosaur foot footprints and sometimes birds
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and some When was the last time your trek through
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: mud turned into stone?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: That's a damn good point, man.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: No, no trackway could exist if there was a single
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: rain between that foot being stepped stepping into the mud
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and there being a you know, in the in the
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: event that turns it into stone. There can have been
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: a single drop of rain between then and that event.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: The most likely and the more probable answer to explain,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: how do we have things that are frozen in stone
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: so quickly that they're still eating, that they're still eating
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: one another, or they're giving birth, or then they're in
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the middle of a fight. How is it that it
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: happens so fast that soft tissue like we have essentially
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: a mummified and kylosor and a mummified hydrosaurd. How is
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: it that it happens so fast that we get that
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: material fossilized, that we fossilize.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Them in mid in mid in mid movement.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: A lot of velociraptor, well not just fossil but with
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: therapods in general, their heads go back and their neck kind.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Of cranes like they are a bird that is drowning.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Why do we have this?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Because there was a worldwide catastrophic event that that essentially
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: covered them in mud and highly mineralized waters and put
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: them under pressure so quickly that they that they couldn't
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: wiggle free. And the ones with the but where the
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: where the bodies were kind of scattered, probably because they
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: had already died. They were already dead, and the scavengers
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: were already eating them, and we've fossilized them in that moment.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: That is what we would expect. And here's the other thing.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: What does the Bible say says before this flood event
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: the earth was perfect? It was made perfect. Now we
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: can there's a lot of conversations what perfect means, but
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: at the very least, we would have to say optimized
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: for life.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Fair. That's a fair assishment.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, right, There's a lot of ways we can slice
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: that by, but I think the easiest one was it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: optimized for life. Okay, cool, we're there. Then there's this
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: flood event and everything seems to be less than right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: People are living for hundreds of years before the flood,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: than after, they're living one hundred and twenty years right
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: then normal lifespans hit.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: And there's this sense that everything's less.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: So what you would expect to find is evidence of
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a world that was bigger, longer, lived, more robust, right,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: healthier in every possible way than what we have today.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: You would also expect that what we have today would
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: be the relics of that world that they that all
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: we have are we don't have anything new. We just
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: have the small percentage of survivors from that prior age
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: that is literally what we see we have. Everything was
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: larger two you know, I don't want to imagine a
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: spider that's three feet across, but you know Langela's with
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: three foot long you know.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Legs.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: You know, dragonflies with two foot wingspans, beavers the size
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: of volkswagens.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Short faced bears, giant ground sloths.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: The list goes on and all, yes, Bison, right, it's
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: not because everyone points to like Titanosaur and the Titanic
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: boa and Dinasucus, which is basically.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: A crocodile that was, you know, larger than a bus.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Everything was bigger everything and everything we have today you
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: can point back and say, oh, well, it's the descendant
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: of this thing. In fact, most again non creationists, you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: normal mainstream, big government funded scientists, will tell you that
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: ninety five percent of all life that has ever existed
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: is extinct.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I'll be doing a video on this, you know, sooner
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: rather than later. But Peter, say, what about evolution? Darwin
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: is Noah's best friend.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Because Darwin's theory completely falls apart when it comes to
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: origins of species.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: But it's really really.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Good in describing how you get a small handful of
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: animals into a bunch of more animals.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, it works. Well, I've actually read that book. I've
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: actually read that book. So that's.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And that's where that's my whole point. How do how
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: could I have possibly seen a living terrorist order? Because
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: they were on the arc and it happened thousands of
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, not millions upon millions upon millions of years ago.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: This is why we find a soft tissue and hemoglobin
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: active human globin in dinosaur fossils. Double, triple, quadruple, the
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: half life of biomatter. Do whatever you want with it.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: You can't get more than a million years out of
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: any biological material. When we cut open a dinosaur bone
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: and we have soft tissue in there, that means we
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: are dealing with something that was fossilized thousands.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Of years ago.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Because like I said, let's double or triple, or I'll
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: give it. I'll give you a million years that you
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: can still have viable soft tissue in something that's not
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: in a perfectly refrigerated environment. In fact, if you gave
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: me something, it's like we're gonna put in this perfectly refrigerated,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: optimized machine. After a million years, it's still gonna that
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: there will be no active DNA, there will be no
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: active hemoglobe in all the soft tissue. All of this
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: decayed into nothingness.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: We know this.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: We can test it scientifically. You can't get a million
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: years out of it, but I'll give you a million
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: years where you're getting the other sixty three million, or
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: in the case of the supposed age of triceratops, where
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: you're getting the other one hundred and nineteen million years
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that we're getting a soft tissue out of this.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work. So what you're what you're what you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: saying is that you're combining some of the science.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: You're saying you're saying that science doesn't have all the answers,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: which I completely agree with, especially when it's government funded.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, we just had that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: happen five years ago and we've seen it was just
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a big money then there's a lot of evilness involved
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: in that. Does this go ahead and say that that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: was it was? It was It was a concerted effort
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to actually, I believe lower the pop corn.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: You know the way.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: You know, we have to go through we have to
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: go through uh YouTube, Rickamroa to make sure we get that.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But you are still using some of it, and that's
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool. You're using like overlapping, completely
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: overlapping magisteria to try to understand you know, this is
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: your worldview. I don't necessarily agree with it. There's things,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: but but I do.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: There's things that are definitely making me question some things.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: And that is is what I'm here for. Man, there's
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Oh yeah, can't Why can't I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: sit on offense? What's wrong with me sitting on offense?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: And just listen to everything?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And that's important. That's how
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: this works. We have to have a conversation.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: The problem is absolutely that conversation was shut down about
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: a century ago to make way for a very specific worldview.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I always say it's not People say, oh so, but isn't.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Science and religion opposed? No, that's that is literally conflict theory.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: It was creating the late eighteen hundreds as a way
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: of explain of saying, they created this mythology that science
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: religion are at odds when our modern science came out
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: of religion. It literally came out of Christianity.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I think it kind of came out of more of
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: like a philosophy, isn't it. If you break science down,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: it's basically a philosophy in which we try to understand
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: in the natural order.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Right, It's a.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Philosophized concept in which you say, okay, if we use
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: these steps and we're able to then you know, you know,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to do it again. The word you're much better spoken
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: than I am when it comes to these things. When
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you're ever to reproduce the the findings, then we can
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: go through and do it again. And that's the thing
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: about science, is like true science, uh not. What we
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: are confronted with today is a good thing. And I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly its origins, but far as I understand it,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the way I try to understand, it's that it's basically
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a philosophy.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Basically, well it is. It is absolutely posip It's also,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: by the way, a folklore. But that's a whole other catastry.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: People don't because people people misunderstand what folklore means. But
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: let's that's a topic for a different day. Okay, The
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: modern scientific method comes out of the Catholic Church. It
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: literally comes out of Christians because Christians said, hey, hold on,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: God is knowable, He is understandable. He created, He created
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: reality to be understood and for us to understand him
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: through it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Modern this.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: It is literally all of the great academic institutions were
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: religious institutions. All of your initial scientists were Christians.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: They were of course, that's true, and that's so.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: The whole point is this conflict thesis arose in the
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds is a way of creating an artificial
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: conflict because people wanted to say, hey, hold on, we
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: don't want to have we Essentially, there was a conversation
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: that was had. It's actually very public and the seventeenth century, actually,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, nineteenth century is when the conflict thesis arose.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Eighteenth centuries when this conversation was had during the French Revolution.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: You know, they were socialists. They wanted to find a way.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: They said, we got to find a way to replace
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Christianity in the minds of the people so we can
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: create our utopia. Our atheist utopia was what they wanted
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: to create. And so this is where things like the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: ice age came from. They said, how do we explain erratics,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: because erratics, for people who don't know, is a geological
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: term where you have like in the middle of England,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: in the middle of these fields, there's these massive boulders
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: that are not from that are not native. The stone
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: is not native to the area. It came from hundreds
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: of miles north. They look like giant river rocks, and
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: so for it forever, people appoint those this is evidence
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: of the flood that they these stones had been transported
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: during that cataclysm, and this is how we know this happens.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: So they said, we got to come up with another
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: idea as to how these rocks could get there, and
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: so they came up with the ice age.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Again, that's a whole other topic trend of the day.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: But the point is there was this conon's there was
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: this narrative that was created so that a way of
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: sort of artificially creating a Dichotomy's like, well, if you
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: believe in science, you can't believe in religion, right that
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: they're at odds Okay, This was site. It was one
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: of the early psychological operations because at like a lot
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: of things, anything that's false, if you ask enough questions,
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: it falls apart. For example, right, you ask enough questions,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: suddenly a lot of your answers, aren't you know the maths?
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Don't math on those answers in the same way, it's like, well,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: the Earth is billions and billions of years old, and
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: these dinosaurs are millions upon millions, tens of millions of
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: years old.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Well why are we finding active here globe?
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: And then because we know we can do the science,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: we know biological material doesn't last that long, don't ask
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: that question.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm trying to find a natural pause, I promise, yeah, yeah,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: just a question. You know, you can school me on it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Like because I don't know, I don't know, Okay, so
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: this is what because you know, scientists will tell you something.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And for example, I used to have a telescope that
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: was in Germany and I was just interested in looking
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: at things. There's a difference between knowing Jupiter because they
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: told you Jupiter exists and actually seeing it through a telescope. Okay,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: so I enjoyed that a lot. But I have also
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: seen the and Ramata galaxy through the telescope. The and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Dramata galaxy is supposedly one hundreds of millions of light
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: years away.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: So how do you how does that like?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it conflicts because we're trying
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: to mend bridges here, but how do you fit you know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: how does that fit in with your worldview?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: No, that's a great question. Right. So here, this is the.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: We have this question in our head of well, it's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: so many miles away. Light only moves at this speed,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: it can't. This means this has to predate us by
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: millions of years, not billions of years.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: The question I would ask then, is this what is
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: the first miracle Jesus performs.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: In the New tele I am not a biblical scholar
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: in any sense of the word. It's okay, it was.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's a rhetorical question. I was going to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: answer it. Okay, I'm not setting you up here. Man,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: It's okay, I do that. But I figured I played
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: with stolen over there. He's committing to the bit. I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: really do. So. Jesus' first miracle is turning water into wine. Okay.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of really interesting theological conversations that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: can be had about that event, but we'll put that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: to the side.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: What is wine? Wine is grape?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Juice that has been fermented over long periods of time
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: under very under very careful conditions so that you get
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: the uh fermentation process to get the alcohol. And when
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: the the steward who's over the wedding tastes, he says,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: this is the best wine. And the reason he was like, well,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: it stands out is because in it's if you have
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: a party, right, you put the good stuff up front
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: so that by the time you know, everyone's.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Slashed. That's never like the.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: One thing my father got into wine when he got older.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: He was like, we want on this wine taste, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: we came back with this wine. I thought it was brilliant,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: but it was awful when I when we got home.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: And it's because he realized, oh we sober. We'd sobered
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: up right, and you don't even have to be drunk
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: because you go to wahine taste, you're not getting you're
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: not getting blitz, you're just taking little SIPs.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Well, but alcohol dulls the taste buds.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: So you put the good stuff up front and then
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: the bad stuff you say for the end, because no
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: one's gonna notice, right, sobered or not. So he's saying,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: this is really, really good wine. Well, really good alcohol
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: requires large amounts of time. Right, It's not just that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: it was fermented. Again, the apostles are accused of being
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: drunk on new wine during uh you know later on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: in the in the Book of Backs. New wine's cheap.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Right, it's out. You got the alcohol. You're good to go.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Let's get you know, let's go, let's go do some
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: day drinking. Right.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Good wine takes decade, you know, a decade or better
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: to mature to get that flavor. So he's saying, this
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: is a really old vintage. That means instantaneous. I would
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I would submit that if we could go magically, go
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: back in time, take a sample of that wine, it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: would test old. It would It would in every test
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: it would be because it would be actually old, not
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: the not the illusion of age, but actual age, even
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: though it was instantaneously created.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Go back to the creation narrative. What happens. God creates Adam,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: He creates these animals. Everything's mature. It is old enough
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: to do its job.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: The fact that things appear old does not mean that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: they are an actuality old. I would suggest it is old,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: but not the way we think of it. Okay, Right,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: he creates it. It has for your gen X. You
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: remember the original Star Wars came out, right, it's episode four.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't see Star Wars until like two thousand and eight.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that hurts me. That hurts me. Oh, I'm so,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: I'm wounded deeply, sir. I did. I didn't watch a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: lot of Star Trek though, So that thing.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: We're good, We're all right, Okay, we'll get there, buddy.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: But right, like Star Wars, the original Star Wars is
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: episode four. There was no episode one through three, right,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: but it acted as if it was in the same way.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: God and great, he's not creating the universe of day zero.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: He's creating it as old as it needs to be
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: to do what it needs to do. Okay, it's a
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: great question that Draskic like, it's that's a valid question.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I a great answer the answers we can see it.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Because this is why I'm like, let we need we
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: don't need to be pointing to the distance from galaxy
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: to hears or galaxies to hear.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Although again, I'm a bit of I love astronomy.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: With the new JPL, like we keep finding things that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: aren't supposed to be there. Oh yeah, So it's like, hey,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: maybe that's not really the answer, because again we're still
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: having Again we're trying to use science to answer a
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: historical question, and so we need to be able to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: do things that we can test. Dinosaurs were living creatures.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: They are now fossilized. We know what fossilization is, we
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: know how to make we know what it takes for
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: that to happen. Those are things we can test. We
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: can test. You know, there are people doing carbon dating
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: on the biological material found in these bones and they
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: are coming up in the order of thousands of years,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: no kidding fact. And again this is not anything that's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: under some secret government locking key.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: You can go read.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: There is a journal for carbon dating, and they publically
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: talk about they keep finding carbon or see fourteen in
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: coal and in diamonds, and that's all supposed to be
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of years old carbon dating. Once you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: get past really fifty thousand years, you're done. There shouldn't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: be anything there, So diamonds and coal should be zero.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: For those who don't know carbon dating, you'd so C
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: twelve is the stable molecule, but when it's in the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: atmosphere it preticdingly the uper atmosphere gets bombarded by cosmic
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: grays like the Fantastic four and now it's C fourteen. Well,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: that C fourteen is unstable, and so it loses those
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: two electrons over time. We know what the half life
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: of that is. That's how we'd test it, right. But again,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: by the time you hit fifty thousand years, you're done.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: And yet we keep finding CEE fourteen in coal and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: in diamonds, and it shouldn't be there. The fact that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: we have, again going back to my conversation about fossilization,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: the fact that we have fossils indicate is indicative that
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: there was a massive cataclysmic event that affected the whole world,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: creating these fossils, or at least most of the fossils
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: that we have. The fact that we have soft tissue
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: and blood vest and all these and all this other
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: organic material in the bones themselves indicates this did not
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: happen that long ago.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: The fact that we have animals that are so closely
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: related to the things we find in the fossil record,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: but they're just scaled down versions. That's what you would
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: expect to find if the story of Noah is accurate. Again,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: there's lots of ways to slice that pie, but as
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: a generalization, that is that's the best answer. And so
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: why do we find living terroosaurs or living sowar pods
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: throughout history? Why would people talk about creatures like, hey,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: this is a dragon, but they don't tell this weird
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: mythic story of this thing guarding gold or it's just hey,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: there was a dragon and we killed it and we
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: put its head on the wall, and that's cool, right, Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: But there's dragons all over all these flags, especially throughout
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: England and those Nordic countries. It's it's very interesting, and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: you know all over the world, actually Asia and China
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: is it's a weird thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: And not I'm not even suggesting all of those dragons
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: necessarily are real as in how they are depicted per se,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: and I think not all of them are the same thing.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: But the simple fact of the matter is this is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: a motif and a theme that goes all the way back,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: and you have a lot of stories that just don't.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Have that mythological feature.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: And going back to my setting of the pterosaur, right,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: the reason I point out to the wivern as a
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: very specific thing is. I think it was what they
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: were seeing. You know, again, we tend to think of dragons.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: We think of what we think of as dragons as
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: like guys. This is a modern idea, right as far
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: as how we draw them, right, how we render them.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: But you go back a thousand years, No, dragons didn't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: have the dragon tail right where it has that little
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: triangular and on the end.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: All the heraldic art, all the art of the Middle
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Ages and before, they just have like the tail of
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: a snak, right, because they were just reptiles.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: There were serpents.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: There was a story in France around the late fourteen
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: hundreds early fifteen hundreds of a farmer who was just
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: taking his cattle to drink, right, and this little dragon
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: shows up and hisses at his cattle and scares his cattle.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: So he's trying to just get it away and he
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: hits it over the head and it dies, and he
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: was like, I didn't mean to kill this thing. I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: just wanted to get rid of it.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Right. He wasn't being me, he was just trying to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: get rid of it. But it died. So he takes
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: it to Paris.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Because he's like, hey, I accidentally killed this dragon. But
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: I figure y'all would like to have it, right, because
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: this is it's Paris. There is a museum again, an academy,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: and so they put it on display. Now, about one
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: hundred years later, we have three different artists over about
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: a twenty year period that draw the remains. It's clear
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: because these were finally naturalistic drawings. It's clear the remains
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: that they were drawing were a it was a gaf, right,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: it was it was a gaf is like the Fiji mermaid.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: It's animals that have been taxidermy together to make a
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: sort of a joke, like a jack Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: a Wooly Trout right or Harry Trout.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I know, a jackalope. I know what that is, at
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: least that one. I do know. It's so there there.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: It was clearly a gaff because we could identify the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: skull and everything else. But what's which would make sense
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: because again it's one hundred years later, the original had decayed,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: there was nothing left of it, so they put something
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: else on and it's like, okay, well we'll tax the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: durmy something so it looks like what we had originally
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: and here's what it's important. It has a face, you
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: know that, it has a sort of a reptilian face
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: with a tooth coming out of its nose. It has
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: one pair of wings, one pair of legs. There are
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: claws in the wings like in the where the wing
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: goes back. There these three yes, and it has a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: long tail. Well, it's at this time, you know, the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: one hundred years prior to these drawings being made, that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: the dragontail, that triangular feature enters into heraldic art. Interesting, so,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: prior to that, no one's drawing dragons with that with
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: what we would consider a dragon tail. After that event,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: everyone's drawing dragons with dragon tails. And of course dragons
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: are connected to Satan throughout the Bible, so that's when
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: they started giving Satan that sort of forked tail, right,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: that's where that comes from. But it's a very specific
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: moment of time where this event happens in France. All
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, people are going and seeing like, oh,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: dragons have this little weird flange at the end, and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: again that's all soft tissue that goes away very very quickly.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: But that's when it enters into heraldic art, and from
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: there it gets spread out that But again those drawings
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: that were made about one hundred years later of that gaff,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: which was clearly a gaff. It has the spike coming
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: out of the noses, the three claws in the long tail.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: You combine that with the heraldic art that is a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: that is what they were calling a wiver is what
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: we would call rampharencus or a ramparactoid, or at least
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: something from the remforractoid family, and Ramphorencus means tooth beaked. Okay,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: that's why this is important. A where Taranadon had an
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: actual true beak, right the ramfractoids, but the ranfris specifically
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: has like a reptilian face, but has a little spike
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: coming out of its nose at the end of its snout.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: It has this extra tooth that makes it look like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: it has a beak even though it's got teeth in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: the rest of its mouth. That is what they were drawing.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Is this thing right here, only there's a spike coming
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: There should be a spike coming out.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Of this one's nose.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: So what we have is evidence that these things have
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: been around forever. People have seen these things. Okay, The
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: Jersey devil. There's a lot of there's a lot of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: folklore and mythology involved, but when the main thing is
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: there was a sighting. The drawing that we have that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: everyone points to was made by an artist from the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia inchoir, I believe, and it was this mass sighting
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: in the in the late eighteen hundreds where it's broad
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: daylight and this thing is flying through you know, through
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Jersey and everyone's freaking out. The artist who made that
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: drawing for the newspaper didn't see what everyone else saw,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: and he didn't take their statements seriously.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: He took them literally.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: If you look at if you look at what they
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: were describing this and the saying had the head of
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: a deer, and it had bat wings and it had
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: a long tail that was bifurcated.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on, we have to.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Remember dinosaurs were a brand new thing. They didn't and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: the reconstructions were terrible. They didn't know what a terrorist
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: stare was much less ranfaractoid right right. They were just
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: trying to describe what they saw with what they knew
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: and what.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: You did, what you did when you seeing the bird?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Or can't they a crane of wherever you call the
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: crane or just another word, a blue hair.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Blue hair, right, right, So it's like, because that's why
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: I thought I was seeing it first. So they were
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: trying to translate what they had seen into something that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: they knew but the art. But the guy who worked
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: for the Philadelphia Inquire, I think it's it's e didn't
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: inquire or the Examiner, one of the two. He didn't
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: take them seriously because he didn't he probably didn't think
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: this was real. He thought it was probably just some
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: made up thing. So he took them literally. And that's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: why we have this weird looking thing. Right, But what
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: were they trying to tell them? We saw this thing
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: that didn't It had a longer face, right, it wasn't
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: the face of a bird, and it had it had
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: a large wingspan that was not a feathered wing. This
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: was a nimburnous wing and had a long tail with
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: a flam in the end. Right, it was bifurcated. That's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: the devil's tail. Right, that's a rampactoid that they're describing. Okay,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: they just didn't have the words to describe it. They
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: couldn't say I saw a terra saord. They didn't know
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: what those were, right, but it what.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think where do you think these Okay, you
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: were saying that you know, you have these floodplains and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you have these you know, these these areas that are
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: kind of slightly or at least inaccessible to a lot
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: of people, or it's not developed or settled. So what
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: do you what do you think they're They're they're in caves,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: or they're in trees or hillside. Where where do you
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: think these things might be if we were to go
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: look for them?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Well that man, if I knew that, i'd have one
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: a hypothesize, right, No, no, And so here's the thing, right,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: there is a long connection with them and caves. Right,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of that.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: What I would suggest, though, is I think the problem
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: is we think we think, oh, it fly, so it's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: a bird, right, and so we imagine they have a
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: nest somewhere and they go back to that nest. And
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: that's okay, that's not what these things are. Reptiles, that's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: not how they behave Okay, that I would suggest we
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: need to be looking at It's more like turtle, like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: sea turtles specifically, Right, they go somewhere, they lay their eggs,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: they cover them, you know, they in wherever, whatever material
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: they're gonna lay them in, and then they leave. They're
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: highly migratory. They're not just hanging out in one spot.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: They are just constantly on the move like a sea turtle.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: That's why we have sightings of these things in North Texas,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: and it seems like, honestly the best signs that have
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: go uh from my area west, Like.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Look, I can track them and they're they're heading out west.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: I've got several out of crosby Ton, out of Lubbock,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: which is right next to it, and they we have
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: them sighted all over Arizona. We have them in in California, Arizona.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I was here in Arizona. Yes, Arizona cal now.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: But we do have some in the West coast as well.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: People talk about seeing them in Georgia. I think what
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: we see is the move in patterns, right. So it's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: the problem is they're not in Just if these things
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: stopped in one spot and just hung out like a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: normal bird word and just and then migrate later, I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: think we'd have plenty of evidence of these things. I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: think the most what I would call Nobi's or naturally
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: occurring biological entities that are cryptids. They are small, I mean,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: the population is very small. Probably we would call them
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: critically endangered.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: But they essentially exist.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: Either there's some aspect of their existence that makes them
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: difficult to access.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, And on top of that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Modern science doesn't want to deal with them, right because
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: they are calling things in the question. There's one of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: my favorite stories. I will keep who I heard this from.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: I don't really have permission to tell this story, although
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: this person has told it publicly.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I just I didn't get formal permissions, so I don't
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: want to say it. But the Creation Evidence Museum that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: is in Glen Rose, Texas, right, I forget who I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: want to say it was.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: It was one of the big atheists.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: He'd come down there and he said, and he called
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: the news media and he said, I'm going to go
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: in there, and I'm gonna take a look and.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: See these people can change my mind. And so he
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: walks in, doesn't even walk down the stairs. They have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: stairs and then a little ramp.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: He doesn't even He just looks around and then walks
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: right back out and says, I haven't seen anything that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: changes my mind on anything. Right, the fact of matters.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Anything that calls the mainstream narrative into question cannot be addressed.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: So when people say, hey, there's a living dinosaur, people
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: don't want to deal with that. Right.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot in and of itself is a problem, a big problem, right,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: the paranormal problem, supernatural problem.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: We're all all this whole area. I mean, you were
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: completely fine and all that, all that is, I said,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: we're not finding the others as well. It's not what
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you have a worldview and you're you're trying
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: to you're saying, this is what I grew up with,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: this is my culture. You know, this is what I know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: and the this is where I think it actually really
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: you know, shines through and fits like legos together. But
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to like, oh they have to go
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: actually look and see, uh, there's actually they're going to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: be doing. I think it's in uh, the University of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: North Carolina there, I can't think of the name of
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: the gentleman has got a strange name. He's going to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: be doing like actually like lessons and lectures on Bigfoot,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and they're actually going to be sending in you know,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: DNA evidence actually you know, to actually kind of nail
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: it down a little bit more. So there's things that
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: are happening. Oh yeah, most of it's still being shot
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: as you were mentioning, for sure, because they don't want that,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: because it goes into their pocket book. They want a
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: new car, they want to have that swimming pool. Well,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: and I think there's actually a So here's the thing.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: We tend to think, Oh, well, this is the mainstream.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: This has been the mainstream for like fifty sixty years,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean one hundred years at best. This is all
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: relatively new.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: That's the whole thing is like everything else, something goes
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: becomes vogue, it becomes the hit. Everyone has to comply
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: with it until it no longer holds up the scrutiny,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: and then it falls apart in the new and the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: new paradigm comes.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: In, Yeah, paradigm shift. Yeah, well huh so this, like
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: we the problem is what did Douglas Adams say? The world?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: The world the way it is when you were born
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: is how it has always been and should be, and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: is the natural order of things. And then anything that
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: happens after you're thirty is against the world, is terrible
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: evil in the fall of mankind, right, so we were
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: born into this this concept thinking oh, this is the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: normal way. No, this is a very modern idea. The
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: problem is it's falling apart under scrutiny. Right, you go
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: back two hundred, you go back one hundred, you go
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: pick a one hundred and fifty years. People like yeah,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I mean they may not have called them theories per se.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Some of them would have, depending where they came from.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: They'd say, yeah, there's spirits out there, right, there are
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: dragons and weird thing and there's forest. People like, yeah,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: that's absolutely true. They wouldn't have doubted it, right because
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: it because there was no point in lying about it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: But a purely atheistic, you know, sort of Darwinian worldview
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: that came into vogue can't have these things. Living dinosaurs
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: are living testimonies that the model that their model doesn't fit.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Same thing with Bigfoot, because there shouldn't be any large
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: primates in North America, right, the supernatural should not occur
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: if this is a purely mechanistic world.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: It's so these things are living, breathing examples of why
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: the accepted government model doesn't work.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or reality. But that's the reality that a lot
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: of governments work off of, because that's the government. That's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: the worldview that allows for politics of and in philosophies
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: that look in cultures to look down on humans and
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: say we are cattled to be manipulated. Yeah, we are,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: we are, we are chattel to be exploited. Yes, that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: worldview requires.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: That world view is what's required to do things to
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: people and say it doesn't matter because nothing matters.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, a little bit of an omission. I used
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: to be an atheist for a very long time for years,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and but the one that, yeah, of course I was.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I I grew up and I just just still things
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I would always have problems with with Christianity that I mean,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm dating a Catholic, who's the boot.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I watch.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Christians that debate Muslims, and I go, oh, I can
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: see why at least that one's wrong from my point
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: of view. I'm not I'm not anyone's beliefs that, but
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: from my worldview, I don't see that. So, you know,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: for me, it was always like okay, uh, you know,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: how do you how do you explain love? Well, it's
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: a mechanism thing and biological occurrences happen like, no, dude,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: when you go these are mostly people who don't have children,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: and when you look into your child's eyes, or or
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: a dog or anything your parents, and you look in there,
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  Speaker 1: there's something that cannot be explained through some type of
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  Speaker 1: chemical and balance wherever you want to call it. That
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  Speaker 1: for me is what started me going like, Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: this isn't true.
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  Speaker 2: Because I've read the books.
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  Speaker 1: I've read Daniel Dennet's book, I've read Dawkin's book, I've
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: read Christopher Hitchin's book. There's a lot in there that
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I go, Okay, there's there's parts, there are parts that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I still get it, but uh, it's uh. I think
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: the more people run into it and they see that
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: the materialistic scientific worldview isn't the only thing, they're going
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: to start looking back at some of the old things.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of things under the Rockefeller school system
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: to make a stint in line, so we've just become
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: obedient workers and things like that.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of that's going away. Homeschooling, a lot of
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: things are going away, a lot of it.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: And it's good, right because we think that this is
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: all that the mainstream the way we grew up was normal.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Everything we grew up with we grew up.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: With because it evolved post World War two. It is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: very great, it's very new.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Heck, Bugs Bunny is older than most than most of
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  Speaker 3: the way we think that we consider to be traditional, right,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: whether it's you know, chemical farming and in a centralized
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: school system like Bugs Bunny.
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  Speaker 2: Is older than that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Heck, pizza is brand new, right. We think pizza is
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: this thing has been around praier. It didn't It didn't
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: make it to the United States until the until post
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: World War two nineteen forty seven. And even then we
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: would recognize as pizza, but we wouldn't have been the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: that wouldn't have been the thing we ordered. So a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: lot of what we consider of be traditional and this
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: is the way it's always been, is very very new.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: And the reasons falling apart is because it doesn't work. Right,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Those things that cannot stand will not stand true.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Sure, so that what we are living in is the
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: age of oh, this stuff doesn't work, and it probably
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: never actually worked.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I think we're kind of saying the same thing, though
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: I think we can definitely make amends, Rightio, I'm not
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: saying it words any amends is the wrong word. That
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: we can men mend things together, to put things together,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: is that I'll use. I'm more I use a lot
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: of Eastern mysticism to explain a lot of things for
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: myself and I But I do listen, I really do,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I honestly do. I'm learning a lot, and trust me,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm catching up. But at the same time, it's I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: think we are in the age of enlightenment. I think
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: something happens somewhere along the line. You can even like
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: point in to like the Maya twenty twelve thing where
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: they said the end of the long cycle of the calendar.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe that this is the end of the old world.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: We are now in the age of Aquarius, which is
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: like the age of enlightening, enlightenment, and and people are
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: looking for alternatives. Again, not to say that the Bible
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: is an alternative, but for a lot of people it
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: may still be. You understand what I'm saying, Oh no,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: it absolutely would be right. It's and here's the thing.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: It always has been the alternative.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: It has always been. It has always been the counter.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: We think, Oh, the Western you know, Western Europeans, they're
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: they're Christians. Not really, Yes, the Bible was was intricately
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: involved in the sort of cultural evolution of Europe. But
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: if you look at how things went really it's only
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: been last few hundred years really when it really became christianized.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: It the Christian the Christian world view has always been
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: the alternative to everything else. That's why it was always opposed.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: That's why it was always That's why it was as
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: why Nero was using Christians as torches, right. Christianity has
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: always been the alternative view to the world. It doesn't
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't come naturally dying to oneself, considering you're
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: you know, loving your neighbor as you love yourself, praying
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: for your enemies.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: These are not native trinity. The Trinity is a very
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: difficult con people to understand. And I actually do understand it,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the the way I understood
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: it was like hell, was it? The you know, the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: the you're going to get the Father, the Son and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: all the spirit.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: The Father is the mind, the Son is the body,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and when you speak words the air that comes out.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: So you need all three to create the sentence to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: speak it into existence, you know what I mean? The word,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the thoughts, the thought comes from the Father. The body is,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the is the son, and the spirit is the actual breath.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the things like that that
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: started to come to me as recent but still it's
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: very interesting.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Joy it. I enjoy the process of learning it, of
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: learning about it. My favorite line is that.
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  Speaker 3: Asking anyone to explain, asking any theologian to explain the Well,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: to explain the Trinity, will expose their hair, will expose
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: what kind of heretic they are.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: Is difficult. Well.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: And so here's where I can let me get a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: little off topic. But I don't think I've ever stayed
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: on topic in my life. The problem and uh, the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Imaginary Axis. It's a comic book channel, but it's he
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: has a really really great video series on Dark Side
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: from DC Comics and explaining him. And the reason I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: use this is because he has this really great metaphor
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: that I want to use here every time. All throughout
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: scripture and people who've had near death experiences, they always
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: describe heaven the spiritual realm is being above us, superior
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: to us in every way.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: Imagine you were trying to communicate with the original super
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Mario right, the old eight bit side scroller, and you
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: ask him, why don't you just go around the pipes
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: and the turtles?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: He looked at you like you were nuts.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: It's like that word wouldn't have any wouldn't have any
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: meaning to him because his universe is up, down, left
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: and right right.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: There is no around, there is no depths. It's a
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: two D universe. Yes, essentially, And.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: In the same way we are trying when we wrestle
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: with God, we're wrestling with a being that his magnitudes
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: higher dimensionally to to coin some some star trek parlance,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: here is multiple dimensions higher than we are. Right, He
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: might as well ask us, why don't you just move step.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Toward Yeah, And we wouldn't know what that meant.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: We wouldn't know what that means because that doesn't have
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: any that doesn't apply. So when you're like, well, how
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: do you explain it? I don't need to explain it.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: I need to know that it's there. But the problem
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: is we want we think that if we can, if
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: we just understand something, you know, mathematically, or if we
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: can just figure out how it works, like it was
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: like it was a car engine, then then everything would
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: be fine. Well, what if you can't because you're not
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: capable of understanding it, Does it make it any more
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: or less true? Does it make it any more or
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: less impactful? Sometimes I do, as someone who is busy
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: trying to figure things out, I do think that sometimes
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: the act of our desire to figure things out gets
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: in the way half the time of what's really important,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: which is just understanding that it's a thing. But yeah,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: the simple fact that matter is Christianity has always been
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: the alternative, and it's always said, hey, at its core,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: there is a God, He created everything, He loves you.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: He is coming back.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: You might want you might want to get that right
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: one way or the other, because whether he comes back
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: tomorrow or a thousand years, everyone's going to stand in
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: front of him one way or the other because we
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: all die, there's right, you know, Everyone's like, well, what's
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: gonna happen in the Book of Armageddon? All I know
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: is is armageddon for somebody right now. Somebody's going to
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: bed tonight and they're not waking up, true, someone.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Getting in some sewer tunnels in Liberia or something. They're
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: just awful conditions that they're living in. Yeah, yeah, good point.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: Someone's going someone's going to work tomorrow and some and
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: some lunatic with the gun has shown up. Or someone's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: heading home and there's a and there's a drunk driver,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: or you know, I mean, pick ain't none of us
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: getting out of this thing alive? Right, So it's always
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: been the alternative, And again it is my worldview, but
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: it's also my chosen worldview because I can't find any
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: other way that this world works without it. It's the
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: best explanation I have ever found for humans, our behavior
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: and what we actually see in the world.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Again, not what we're told exists, but what we actually
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: see and interact with. I've noticed it.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: A No, it's a very good point. It's a very
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: good point. The way you said that it was very eloquent,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: very eloquently. But man, that made that made a lot
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: of sense.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I can't just be another pretty face, right, I gotta
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: bring something No.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: No, I mean between both of those when you went
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: into beauty contest. Anytime soon, you know yourself. I have
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: a sexy swam of man meets I'm gonna start winding
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: this down. Man, I I told you when we first met,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: you were like, Hey, how's it going it's like we're
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: not friends yet. I'm like, well, we will be by
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: the end of this, and I guarantee and I and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I hope I have proven my point and it's it
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: has been an enlightening it has been. Uh, it has
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: been a very I think it's been a very I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: love how you put the building blocks together. I love
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: your how you ever to what's the word you're looking for,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: like the self, like we can kind of like hit
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: yourself in the face and show everyone that you do it.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: It's there's a word for it. I can't think of
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: a word for it right now.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I enjoy that. I enjoy that immensely. There's a lot
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: of things we're going to disagree on, but that's what
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the discourse. That's why it exists. That's the fun part.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: That's boring.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: If we all agreed, I have to disagree with myself
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: alf the time. Yeah, beware the sound of one hand clapping.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: That's you know, that's that's how that's that's how you
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: know that we need there needs to always be pushed
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: back because no one's going to understand. And even if
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: we're right about something, that doesn't mean we understand all
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: of it. We need to be constantly re evaluating, and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: the only way to do that, the only way to
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: move forwarderfectly. Yeah, we have to be honest about things,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: and that's That's one things that really frustrates me is
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: when I see people going out and talking and they're
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: deliberately being dishonest, not necessarily that they it's not that
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: they don't believe what they're saying, but they're being dishonest
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: about the data because they know that data doesn't support
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: what they're saying, right, and so they're manipulating it. It's like,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: life is hard enough as it is. We don't need
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: to make it harder. These questions matter, right, If this
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: was like who's gonna win the fight Spider Man or Batman? Okay,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, right, who cares what I like, It's
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: gonna be spider Man. I don't care if the Batman
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: stands can hate me for that. It's gonna be spider Man.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Spider Man's not a comic guy. I'm so not a
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: comic guy.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Oh you're breaking my heart. I'll forgive you. I'm a
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: rock and roll music art guy man. I artist myself.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I'm an oil painter as well, and a musician, and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: the stand up comedian. So it's a little different. I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: go about it a different way, but I gotta balance
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: with your man. I just want to know what's next
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: for you, dude, Like you're gonna just continue on doing
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: your comics or you're gonna continue to come forth and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: speak with people on podcast.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: What's What's what's next for you? Man?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: Well, honestly, so, I've got the Crossing Realms conference at
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: the end of September. We uh, you can the nice
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: people over the Island of Misfit Toys that is Texas
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Front Porch and Donnie Oh Yeahs and Booze and mis
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Boot Michigan Rob and Paranormal and Paul were putting it
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: on our own conference.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. Uh.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Doctor Dean Bertram is gonna have He's gonna be there.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be presenting his like the first He's got
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: a little short film that's being made into a whole film,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: the man who invented flying saucers. It's going to be amazing.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: That's cool. Oh, it's it's it's beyond cool. It's it's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: And I keep seeing all the rough cuts for the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: full film and I'm like, this is amazing. But we've
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: got all kinds of people who are going to be
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: speaking there.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: So if you're into cryptids, or if you're into UFOs,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: or you're into the paranormal, come on down. It's gonna
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: be great. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: you can poke text with a stick. I will draw
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: you something.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say to do that we're not here. We
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: do not advocate violence on the eye of Jupiter. Man.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Oh I do, oh, I absolutely do. But yeah, other
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: than that, right again, just sereer papers.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pop on there every once in a while
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: as I have time or something to care about and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: and just uh extemporaneously usually uh talk about some things
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: that are are interesting.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Again, I just did a thing I had to. I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: went ahead and did it.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: Live because it was such a big topic as a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: topic of Lebiathan from the scripture?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Is it a monster?
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: Is it a mythological construct used to explain things to
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: kind of both? But yeah, I did a little you know,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: throw down with flat earthers as well the video. So
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: but we're gonna do things as simple as you know,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: what is scripture zoology to you know, use the history
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: of ethology and what are some things that people don't
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: talk about with euthology? Right, Uh, there's a lot of
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: stuff we're gonna be talking about as again as I
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: have time. But other than that, I'm working on comics.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping to have Choopy Rules, which is my own
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: little personal cryptid uh comic strip finished.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: It's I'm gonna do it as a book.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: I'm I am not really doing it as a very
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: elevated art piece. It's sort of an Its style is
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: an homage to the old car magazines that I grew
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: up in a in a My father was a mechanic.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: I grew up in a machine shop, so I grew
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: up on big Daddy Eli Roth and and.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: A par mopar no part my dad.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: My dad's uh a gearhead as well, so I know
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit about it. He like he loved to
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: build like drag drag cars and things like that. That's yeah,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: my my father.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: So we I grew up so he owned a European
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: auto repair shop, but he grew up in doing drag
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: racing and building those cars. So trust me, I'm I'm
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: right there with you. So so the comics is is
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: very much a an homage to that. I'm hoping to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: have it done by the end of the year. But
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: I'm also working on other books to get my first
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: fiction books that I'm working on right now.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Uh. And I've got a comic about the Harrowing of
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Hell that I'm I'm writing right now. Hope to have
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: that out at the end of mister. So, just a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot of super busy.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I know you're very busy and all that,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: but just just speaking with you, you you're ech Echelin's
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: echelons above speaking. You're a very well spoken person. And
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: my slight of bit advice. We don't know each other
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: that well, but my good whatever. Time lends itself, and
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: you have interests as you've been mentioning, you should definitely
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: be in some type of audio or and or video. Uh,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: you know, formats or what it was.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: It's been.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: It's late at night and it's been a long day.
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  Speaker 1: You should continue, you should continue doing that. You're very
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  Speaker 1: well spoken, and it's been it's been. It's been very enlightening.
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  Speaker 1: And I enjoyed our conversation, man, I really have. Honestly, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I love it. You're You're great. It's a pleasure speaking
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  Speaker 1: with you and hope to thank you. To be back
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  Speaker 1: in the future we can wrap about all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dude, we can definitely get into the Bigfoot stuff
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  Speaker 1: for sure. I know, I know you probably have some
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  Speaker 1: very interesting points of view innet that I'd love to hear. Man,
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciate it very much. Man, No, I appreciate you.
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