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Sharri | 10 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program tonight. All spin and no substance.
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Speaker 3: That's the Prime Minister's hollow promise over.
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Speaker 2: A social media ban for kids.
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Speaker 3: His announcement today could be straight from the satire utopia.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, the teals accused of supporting the Radical.
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Speaker 2: Greens seventy percent of the time.
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Speaker 3: Paul Fletcher will take us through this new research and
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Speaker 3: we'll look at the irresponsible and quite frankly dangerous claims
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Speaker 3: by Clementine Ford and Brendan O'Neil. International thought leader would
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Speaker 3: join me to discuss. Plus, the stage is set for
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Speaker 3: one of the most anticipated presidential debates in modern.
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Speaker 2: History, so what can we expect.
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Speaker 3: We'll have analysis throughout the show. But first to the
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Speaker 3: farce of alban Ezy's announcement about a social media ban
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Speaker 3: for kids.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is a popular policy, it's one that I
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Speaker 2: personally agree with.
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Speaker 3: But Albaneze's entire pledge today was misleading and had come
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Speaker 3: unstuck by midday.
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Speaker 2: I'll show you why. First, the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Did a breakfast television blitz to announce a social media
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Speaker 3: ban for young teens.
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Speaker 4: What we want to do is to get our kids
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Speaker 4: off their devices and onto the footy fields or the
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Speaker 4: netball courts. Social media has a social responsibility in order
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Speaker 4: to have that social license.
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Speaker 5: It's not easy.
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Speaker 4: We accept that and the result mightn't be perfect, but.
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Speaker 3: If you listen carefully, he was evasive about the detail
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Speaker 3: behind it. What age will social media actually be banned
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Speaker 3: for kids?
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Speaker 2: He didn't know.
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Speaker 3: He just gave a vague answer of somewhere between fourteen
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Speaker 3: and sixteen.
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Speaker 4: We're looking at the range between fourteen and sixteen. That's
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Speaker 4: one of the reasons why we're having a trial, and
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Speaker 4: what we're looking at is how you deliver it.
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Speaker 3: But then his minister, Michelle Rowland had a different age range.
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Speaker 2: When she was asked just a couple of hours later, what.
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Speaker 6: We are seeking to do through our age assurance trial
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Speaker 6: is examined that range around thirteen to sixteen.
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Speaker 3: And how would this social media bound work, How would
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Speaker 3: the age limit be enforced, would the tech giants face penalties,
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Speaker 3: would there be punishments or The Prime Minister had no clue.
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Speaker 3: It was simply a re announcement of a trial that
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Speaker 3: we've known about for a long time.
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Speaker 4: Know that social media is doing social harm, so that's
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Speaker 4: why we've put funding in the budget to have this
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Speaker 4: age verification trial.
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Speaker 3: So today there was actually no new detail apart from
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Speaker 3: the trial that had already been announced four months ago
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Speaker 3: in the Maybe these are alarming red flags, but there
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Speaker 3: was worse to come. Albanezi said new laws announcing the
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Speaker 3: social media age limit would.
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Speaker 2: Be introduced by the end of this year. Well, we're
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Speaker 2: in September, so that's only three months away.
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Speaker 4: We've committed to introducing legislation before.
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Speaker 1: The end of this year.
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Speaker 4: We're going to introduce legislation by the end of the year,
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Speaker 4: and before the end of this year. We will introduce
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Speaker 4: legislation by the end of the year.
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Speaker 3: So if he's promising new laws, as he said clearly repeatedly,
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Speaker 3: he can't back away from that. Now, promising new laws
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Speaker 3: by the end of the year, that leaves only three
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Speaker 3: months to do the trial he announced in the budget
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Speaker 3: and then have some firm answers. Well, it seems unlikely,
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Speaker 3: but his promise really came unstuck when Communications Minister Michelle
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Speaker 3: Roland was asked specifically about what would be in legislation
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Speaker 3: and it was extraordinary. She said the legislation could be
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Speaker 3: introduced without even an age limit.
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Speaker 6: Have a look, we will introduce legislation before the end
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Speaker 6: of the year.
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Speaker 1: The age with the age limit in place.
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Speaker 6: We'll see what comes out of the Age Assurance trial.
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Speaker 6: We want to make sure that we get this right
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Speaker 6: and so that's why we are committing to introduce this legislation.
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Speaker 6: Will continue to have this conversation about age.
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Speaker 3: The new laws designed to put a social media age
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Speaker 3: limit on kids could be introduced before the end of the.
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Speaker 2: Year without the age limit.
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Speaker 3: Well, this shocked the Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman, who
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Speaker 3: first came up with this policy idea for a federal ban, because.
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Speaker 7: I don't seem to know what the age is and
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Speaker 7: Minister Roland seems to have just said that the legislation
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Speaker 7: might not actually include the age even how long this
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Speaker 7: debate has been going on, How can the government not
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Speaker 7: know its opinion is.
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Speaker 2: But here's the worst part.
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Speaker 3: Sensationally, David Coleman also revealed that the tender for the
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Speaker 3: trial only went out today.
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Speaker 7: The tender to run it just went out today. It's
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Speaker 7: dated the tenth of September. So things are seriously off
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Speaker 7: the rails here.
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Speaker 3: And we fact checked it and he's right. Here's that
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Speaker 3: tender document. Have a look and it shows the tender
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Speaker 3: search for the company to run the trial.
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Speaker 2: So I'll just say that again.
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Speaker 3: The tender search for the company to run the trial
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Speaker 3: only went out today. As you can see, it closes
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Speaker 3: on the seventh of October. That means the trial is
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Speaker 3: not even going to begin until after mid October, at
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Speaker 3: mid October at the earliest. That then leaves about a
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Speaker 3: month and a half for firstly the trial to be
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Speaker 3: done and completed, then the legislation to be drafted and
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Speaker 3: introduced to the Parliament. You can see right now that
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Speaker 3: this is going to be another massive broken promise.
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Speaker 2: It's almost unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: Yet, have a look at the announcement the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: made in the tabloid newspapers today. In the Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 3: big front page age of Reason, it said the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister will today announce the government will legislate age limits
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Speaker 3: for platforms such as Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and Snapchat. The
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Speaker 3: Herald Sun front page as well win for our kids.
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Speaker 3: The PM will impose minimum age for social media used
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Speaker 3: to protect children. And the Career Mail front page again
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Speaker 3: Albow to introduce social media age limit laws. Well, this
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Speaker 3: is hutzba for the Prime Minister planting front pages and
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Speaker 3: doing a breakfast television blitz when he doesn't have a
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Speaker 3: single genuine answer or solid idea about how the social
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Speaker 3: media ban will work. I mean, it reminds me of
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Speaker 3: one of those announceables in the political satire The Hollow
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Speaker 3: Men with Rob Sich. I don't think we're at the
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Speaker 3: press release stage just yet.
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Speaker 1: Come on, we're always at the press release stage.
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Speaker 5: But what are we announcing?
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister declares war on a childhood absta But.
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Speaker 8: That's just the line.
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Speaker 1: What comes next, Well.
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Speaker 2: That's your job. Well, that's what you get paid for
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Speaker 2: to come up with all the other pages.
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Speaker 7: Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan.
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Speaker 1: There is no plan.
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Speaker 2: We've announced it and people love it.
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Speaker 9: Nothing has been decided.
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Speaker 3: I mean it's identical. It's funny when it's satire, but
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Speaker 3: not when it's reality. Perhaps this media blitz without the
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Speaker 3: detail to substantiate the announcement is the work of the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister's overhauld communications team. Albinizi has had his third
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Speaker 3: head of media in less than a year. Less than
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Speaker 3: one year he went from Liz Fitch to Brett Mason
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Speaker 3: and now Fiona Sugden who worked for Kevin O seven
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Speaker 3: back in the day. And as you know, Kevin did
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Speaker 3: love an announceable. But this isn't just funny. This is
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Speaker 3: actually dangerous because in light of alban Ezi's announcement, the
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Speaker 3: South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskis said he'd step back from
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Speaker 3: his own laws to allow for the national band to
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Speaker 3: go ahead.
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Speaker 10: Means we get a nationwide solution, which is a far
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Speaker 10: better approach than a hot potch of the arrangements around.
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Speaker 11: States, which is what we've been advocating for from the outset.
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Speaker 3: There's no need for Melanascus to step back because alban
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Speaker 3: Ezy and Michelle Roland have no idea what they're talking about,
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Speaker 3: They have no details worked out, their plan is a
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Speaker 3: long way off and their trial won't even start for
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Speaker 3: another month, and as Michelle Roland admitted, their legislation may
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Speaker 3: not even include an age limit in it at all.
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Speaker 3: What's the point in new laws if there's no age limit.
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Speaker 3: It's utterly bizarre and it's a pity because we do
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Speaker 3: need a social media age limit for kids for early teenagers.
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Speaker 3: Tech giants like TikTok care little about ruining innocent childhoods,
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Speaker 3: and our children deserve to have.
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Speaker 2: This precious time in their lives. Protect it.
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Speaker 3: Yet what we've seen from Albineasy today is all spin
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Speaker 3: and no substance. A desperate prime minister behind in the
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Speaker 3: polls looking for a popular policy to save him, but
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Speaker 3: his announcement barely made it until midday before being exposed
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Speaker 3: for its litany of holes. Okay, a lot coming up
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Speaker 3: in the show, but now let's bring in my Tuesday
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Speaker 3: regular panel, former Speaker of the House Bronwan Bishop and
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Speaker 3: Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Look, let's start with that issue today, Bronwin, I haven't
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Speaker 3: seen anything like this in.
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Speaker 2: Quite a while.
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Speaker 3: That literally seemed like it could have come from the
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Speaker 3: Hollow Man or utopia, but it was reality. And what
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Speaker 3: gets me even more is that the media just go
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Speaker 3: along with it.
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Speaker 2: No one questions it, they just announce it.
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Speaker 9: I'll stop them talking about ten plebsct. I mean, the
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Speaker 9: bottom line is this is only half the question. Peter
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Speaker 9: Dutton came out what last junent said, he will do
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Speaker 9: it in government. Mel Anauskis has come out and said,
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Speaker 9: quite honestly, looking like you can't wait for Alba to
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Speaker 9: do anything. He's useless.
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Speaker 2: I'll do it.
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Speaker 9: And then Albot running to catch up and thought, oh gosh,
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Speaker 9: And they'll talk about something else. But the reality is
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Speaker 9: they're talking about the age limit for kids to get
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Speaker 9: on social media is only half the problem. Pornography is
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Speaker 9: the huge problem. Look, there's some really interesting research that's
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Speaker 9: come out of the United States where it needs to
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Speaker 9: be addressed. Like, every second in America, twenty five thousand
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Speaker 9: people are watching pornography every second, Like every day, forty
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Speaker 9: million regular viewers are watching pornography. Thirty four percent of
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Speaker 9: all Internet users experience unwanted pawn experience. Now that includes kids,
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Speaker 9: and what happens is that when kids watch it, it
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Speaker 9: increases teenage pregnancies. It interrupts the natural development of relationships
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Speaker 9: between boys and girls because there's this expectation about what
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Speaker 9: sexual sexual connection means.
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Speaker 2: It is a.
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Speaker 9: Destroying element and yet something it is like the biggest
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Speaker 9: user of the Internet, and there is nothing down to
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Speaker 9: the tech giants to say stop it, stop it being there,
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Speaker 9: and stop it getting the kids and else whose lives
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Speaker 9: it destroys.
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Speaker 3: Also, look, I think you're right because we've had this,
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Speaker 3: we're having this big debate at the moment about gambling advertising,
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Speaker 3: but there's very little discussion about what other contents so
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Speaker 3: unrestricted to children. And you know one thing you didn't
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Speaker 3: mention there was domestic violence.
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Speaker 2: Well it adds and it adds.
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Speaker 3: To it because there's a big trend in pornography, I'm
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Speaker 3: told by experts of choking, and so men think, young
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Speaker 3: boys think this is what happens when they have sex
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Speaker 3: with a young girl, that they have to choke the
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Speaker 3: young girl. But Caleb, I want to get back to
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Speaker 3: this social media announcement from the Prime Minister today, and
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Speaker 3: it was clearly an announcement, however, welcome and I.
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Speaker 2: Support it absolutely.
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Speaker 3: However welcome, but not one skeric of detail behind it,
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Speaker 3: no substance to back it up.
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Speaker 12: Well, I would call it policy on the run, but
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Speaker 12: you can barely call it policy, right, it's half of
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Speaker 12: policy on the run. The reality here is that Peter
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Speaker 12: Malanowski seems to be running the country and to be
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Speaker 12: perfectly honest, i'd welcome that over Anthony Albanzi. They should
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Speaker 12: see the Canberra and make him leader. He'd make it
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Speaker 12: he'd be damn sight better as leader than Albanisi and.
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Speaker 2: Chris Men's as well.
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Speaker 3: Peter Melanowskis and Chris Men's are the model of what
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Speaker 3: a late leader should be like, not the lot we've
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Speaker 3: got in Canberra.
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Speaker 12: Correct, and it's all good and well to say, as
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Speaker 12: you say, most people would support the idea of an
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Speaker 12: age limit on social media because we know the damage
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Speaker 12: that has been done to children by it. But we've
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Speaker 12: known that for a long time. This isn't a revelation
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Speaker 12: in any way. It's not new research, it's not new data.
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Speaker 12: It's been around for years. So the premiers, after, of course,
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Speaker 12: the Opposition, as Bronin said before, already said they would
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Speaker 12: do this in government. The premiers have finally jumped on
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Speaker 12: board and said, well, we're actually going to get on
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Speaker 12: with it. The Prime Minister realizes quite rightly that it
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Speaker 12: will be unworkable if every state has their own rules.
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Speaker 12: One could say sixteen, I could say fourteen, one could
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Speaker 12: say thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Have seen the side work? Will he this one's the
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Speaker 2: positive press?
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Speaker 12: But sure, sure, sure, But that's why he needs to
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Speaker 12: come up with an age This need this should have
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Speaker 12: been put forward when there was a concrete decision about
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Speaker 12: how this would work. And it's not just about age.
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Speaker 12: We need to be told how it's going to be implemented.
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Speaker 12: What's the system whereby we work out the age of
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Speaker 12: the people who are trying to sign up for social media?
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Speaker 12: Are we using AI technology to assess their faces? Are
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Speaker 12: we expecting them to put in their birth certificate? None
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Speaker 12: of this detail has been outlined. You cannot have a
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Speaker 12: system that prevents children from using social media without having
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Speaker 12: all of that in place, and none of that exists.
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Speaker 12: It's a great idea, but there's no substance to it.
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Speaker 3: It just got the sense that he's had a run
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Speaker 3: of bad polls, the momentums in Peter Dutton's direction Brodwin
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Speaker 3: and so the Prime Minister was looking for something correct popular,
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Speaker 3: I mean news.
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Speaker 2: Polls probably in the field this week.
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Speaker 1: Correct.
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Speaker 3: So he's gone for this announcement, but then couldn't answer
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Speaker 3: any of the questions when he did his Breakfast TV BULLITTZ.
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Speaker 9: Catch up politics. He was left behind. He has always
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Speaker 9: left behind. Is an absolute disaster. There is no leadership
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Speaker 9: there at all.
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Speaker 3: And on the economy, we'll just have a look at
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Speaker 3: another poll today. This is the Guardian survey and it
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Speaker 3: found that more voters are blaming Labor alban Easy for
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Speaker 3: interest rate rises.
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Speaker 2: Forty four percent put.
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Speaker 3: The responsibility on the government and this is up from
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Speaker 3: thirty one percent in February last year. So clearly Labor
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Speaker 3: is trying to shift the blame onto the RBA. But
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Speaker 3: according to two poles now the result pole in the
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Speaker 3: Herald yesterday this one in the Guardian, Caleber doesn't look
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Speaker 3: like the voters of.
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Speaker 12: And that's why they've been trying to shift the blame.
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Speaker 12: But people are not stupid, and it's often said that
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Speaker 12: the electorate always gets it right, and they can see
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Speaker 12: they're not stupid that the main reason that interest rates
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Speaker 12: have gone up, apart from the number one issue that
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Speaker 12: they've identified there, which is that prices have gone up. Sure,
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Speaker 12: but why have prices gone up? The RBA can only
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Speaker 12: pull one lever and it's the same leave they always pull,
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Speaker 12: and that is to increase interest rates. But people can
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Speaker 12: see that that doesn't just happen in a vacuum. It
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Speaker 12: happens because of economic circumstances, and the government keeps pumping
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Speaker 12: money into the economy via projects and economic stimulus and
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Speaker 12: whatever else, and that leads to inflation, Well, what's the
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Speaker 12: RBA meant to do after that? And I know we've
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Speaker 12: all engaged in a bit of RBA bashing at certain times,
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Speaker 12: and I certainly have as well when Philip Lowe was
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Speaker 12: running the show. But I think Michelle Bullock has been
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Speaker 12: a great communicator as RBA governor. She's made the case
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Speaker 12: very well for what they are doing, and I think
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Speaker 12: that's cutting through increasingly according to this poll, and people
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Speaker 12: can see that if it were not for the fact
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Speaker 12: that the government will not pull its own weight, the
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Speaker 12: RBA wouldn't have to pull even more weight, and we're
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Speaker 12: the ones who are ultimately paying for that.
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Speaker 3: Look, it might be a case of be careful what
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Speaker 3: you wish for because the government announced you working processes
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Speaker 3: for the RBA. So that Michelle Bullock is fronting up
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Speaker 3: to the cameras more, taking questions from journalists, more bronwyin.
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Speaker 3: But on the flip side, you know she has the
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Speaker 3: opportunity to say things like government spending, state owned federal
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Speaker 3: is contributing to inflation remaining persistent.
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Speaker 9: Well, absolutely, and she's turned out to be a very
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Speaker 9: fine appointment. And I think the charmers thought she'd be
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Speaker 9: a pushover, and it hasn't turned out that way. But
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Speaker 9: he is literally sounding like a child throwing a tantrum,
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Speaker 9: stamping his foot. Give me my RBA changes now, I
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Speaker 9: want them now. I mean he sounds like the girl
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Speaker 9: out of Willie Wonka, doesn't he for sucret salt? I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 9: I watch him say and the next expression he's almost
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Speaker 9: like to say, and if you don't give me what
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Speaker 9: I want, I'll scream. Well, he's words about smashing the economy,
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Speaker 9: and then he's ex boss weighing in with RBA punching
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Speaker 9: itself in the face. What sort of language is that
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Speaker 9: coming from so called responsible people?
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Speaker 12: The other thing in willy One group, of course, was
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Speaker 12: the golden goose that lays the golden meg. Mister Chalmers
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Speaker 12: might take notice of who that golden goose is and
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Speaker 12: who labs Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to this political brawl about the Iba
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Speaker 3: Overhols later in the show with my political panel. But
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Speaker 3: let's turn to the US now because Kamala Harris and
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Speaker 3: Tramp are going head to head their first presidential debate.
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Speaker 2: That's eleven o'clock tomorrow our time. You can watch it
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Speaker 2: here on Sky.
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Speaker 3: News Now There's going to be a lot of rules
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Speaker 3: around this debate, similar to Trump, similar to end Trump
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Speaker 3: went up against Joe Biden, no live audience, no pre
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Speaker 3: written notes, and strict speaking time limits. This debate bronwin
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Speaker 3: is going to be very important for Kamala, very high
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Speaker 3: risk for.
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Speaker 2: Her because she's tried her hardest.
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Speaker 3: Not to be put on the spot with any live interviews,
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Speaker 3: let alone a live debate like this.
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Speaker 9: Well, yes, but there's I reckon that the press over
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Speaker 9: there in the United States have already written their stories
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Speaker 9: for post of the debate. They were already saying She's won,
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Speaker 9: wasn't she fantastic? I don't think it matters what happens.
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Speaker 9: That's the story they'll run. So I think although a
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Speaker 9: lot of people will watch it, I think they'll be
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Speaker 9: drawing their own conclusions rather than what the media is saying.
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Speaker 9: But it will have an impact. So I'm of two
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Speaker 9: minds about this. It is likely to be the only
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Speaker 9: engagement they have. I don't think there'll be any seconds.
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Speaker 9: I just feel that she's up them now, being absolutely
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Speaker 9: force fed information, and there'll be rules. No giggling, no laughing,
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Speaker 9: don't put on your silly face, try and look sensible
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Speaker 9: and restrained. I mean, it'll be all this sort of thing.
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Speaker 9: It's like a kid trying to cram for the exam
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Speaker 9: and retain as much information you can, knowing you'll never
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Speaker 9: remember much of it after the exact.
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Speaker 3: Because there were pots that she asked to have notes
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Speaker 3: taken in exaccurate but that was reported and that request
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Speaker 3: was denied. Caleb, of course, you know Trump is going
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Speaker 3: to have to make sure that he has his messages
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Speaker 3: more targeted to Kamala Harris, because he has struggled to
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Speaker 3: reframe his campaign after Biden left.
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Speaker 12: That is true, and of course if you look at
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Speaker 12: the last debate, there was very little policy substance at all.
19:45
Speaker 12: It was purely a personality thing because the objective for
19:48
Speaker 12: Trump was to show Biden up as the wally that
19:51
Speaker 12: he was. And someone argued that's perhaps what the Democrats
19:54
Speaker 12: wanted to do in the first place, did to move
19:56
Speaker 12: him on and have him replaced. That was the opportunity
19:58
Speaker 12: to show the world exactly how bad he was. And
20:02
Speaker 12: so Kamala has to be very careful tomorrow not to
20:04
Speaker 12: veer into the word salad territory, because that's where she
20:08
Speaker 12: could sort of go down the same road as Biden
20:10
Speaker 12: and look totally weak. But you will not see I
20:13
Speaker 12: don't think tomorrow much policy substance at all. You never
20:17
Speaker 12: get them out of the debates. It devolves purely into personality,
20:22
Speaker 12: and on that count Trump can usually win. It will
20:25
Speaker 12: all depend on how badly Kamala can perform, and will
20:29
Speaker 12: go further into this on the late debate tonight. But
20:32
Speaker 12: she has actually had a Trump impersonator hold up in
20:36
Speaker 12: a hotel room with her that has been lit up
20:39
Speaker 12: with stage lights as though she were actually doing debait
20:43
Speaker 12: debating the bloke to see whether she can do it
20:46
Speaker 12: up against Trump. Now, that is extraordinary. I mean, you
20:48
Speaker 12: can't imagine Donald Trump in a room with someone pretending
20:51
Speaker 12: to be Kamala.
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Speaker 3: Arris well, apart from the theatric so of it, but
20:55
Speaker 3: that is normal campaign prep though, to have us to
20:58
Speaker 3: have other people throwings at you at one hundred percent, not.
21:02
Speaker 12: Someone who's in personal Donald Trump, surely I.
21:05
Speaker 3: Don't think about unusual. They want to be prepared. Look
21:08
Speaker 3: just quickly before we go. It's been revealed today that
21:11
Speaker 3: Penny Wang has welcomed uk PM Keir Starmer's decision to
21:15
Speaker 3: suspend arms expots to Israel. Pennywong told The Guardian that
21:19
Speaker 3: Australia is working with partners including the UK, to put
21:23
Speaker 3: pressure to see a real change in the situation in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: I mean run when God forbid.
21:29
Speaker 3: You know, Australia should support Israel as it moves to
21:33
Speaker 3: fend off terrorists.
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Speaker 9: Penny Wong is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. At every
21:40
Speaker 9: turn she has turned on Israel. She is trying her
21:44
Speaker 9: hardest to appeal to those Western Sydney seats to try
21:48
Speaker 9: and look after the people who are there. Penny Wong
21:51
Speaker 9: came from a country, Malaysia, where there were dreadful race rights.
21:56
Speaker 9: Did she not learn that to promote this sort of
21:59
Speaker 9: hatred that is coming out of the lack of leadership
22:02
Speaker 9: from this labor government to stop and to say that
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Speaker 9: there is no place in this country for Hamas and
22:09
Speaker 9: for the supporters of hamas, and.
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Speaker 3: Say harmask can have no role in the future governing
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Speaker 3: of Gaza.
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Speaker 9: But there's meaning us she does this.
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Speaker 2: She has also you know a lot of criticism for.
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Speaker 12: Israel kla correct and I mean if you look at
22:24
Speaker 12: women to have orucus, we're meant to be in lockstep
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Speaker 12: the US. The UK and Australia lockstep when it comes
22:30
Speaker 12: to defense. The US has criticized privately the UK for
22:34
Speaker 12: doing this and has told them not to go ahead
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Speaker 12: with this weapon sale band to Israel. I'll note that
22:40
Speaker 12: we haven't sold weapons to Israel for five years. But
22:43
Speaker 12: if we as an out enough for us, well, lady correct.
22:46
Speaker 12: But if ucas as an outfit cannot agree on things
22:49
Speaker 12: as simple as this, I think it bodes badly for
22:52
Speaker 12: us going forward. We should be in lockstep. You've got
22:56
Speaker 12: a left wing government in the UK now cooperating with
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Speaker 12: a le wing government in Australia. Even the left wing
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Speaker 12: government in the US is not on board.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very yeah, exactly, very concerning. All right, Calebine, We'll
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Speaker 3: see you ten o'clock, Bronwin, thank you so much.
23:11
Speaker 9: Now.
23:11
Speaker 3: The Teals have been desperate to present themselves as independent,
23:15
Speaker 3: but according to new research, they've been voting with the
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Speaker 3: Radical Greens most of the time. The parliamentary research published
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Speaker 3: by Jeff Chambers and the Odds Today shows that the
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Speaker 3: seven Teal MPs voted with the Greens between seventy three
23:31
Speaker 3: and eighty one percent of the time since the last election.
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Speaker 2: And here's how that individual breakdown looks.
23:37
Speaker 3: So this is on substantive bills which, if pass became law.
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Speaker 2: Zoey Daniel voted with.
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Speaker 3: The Greens eighty one percent of the time, Sophie Scamps
23:45
Speaker 3: eighty percent, Minique Ryan seventy eight percent, Zalie Steggles seventy
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Speaker 3: six percent, Kylie Tink seventy six, Allegraspender seventy four percent
23:54
Speaker 3: of the time and Kate Cheney seventy three. And the
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Speaker 3: research shows Parliament true research that the group of seven
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Speaker 3: tials mostly voted together as a pack and they voted
24:05
Speaker 3: the same way eighty three percent of the time. Now,
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Speaker 3: the current Albanzi government is a far left labor party,
24:13
Speaker 3: as I said, unlike the moderate labor governments in New
24:16
Speaker 3: South Wales and South Australia. But even Albanezi has called
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Speaker 3: the Greens extremists.
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Speaker 4: It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately
24:27
Speaker 4: spread by some Green senators and mpeace. He have engaged
24:32
Speaker 4: in this in demonstrations outside offices and online that includes
24:39
Speaker 4: knowingly misrepresenting motions that are moved in this Parliament.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now to discuss is the Manager of Opposition
24:48
Speaker 3: Business Paul Fletcher pol thanks for your time. Look, can
24:52
Speaker 3: you explains can you explain what this means if the
24:55
Speaker 3: Teals are voting alongside the Greens around seventy percent of
24:58
Speaker 3: the time.
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Speaker 11: Well, this research is very significant because it is based
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Speaker 11: on an analysis of the Teals voting record in now
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Speaker 11: more than two years of the Federal Parliament. And what
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Speaker 11: it finds is that on the substantive bills, so a
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Speaker 11: second reading or a third reading vote on a bill,
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Speaker 11: if you add all of those up, then up to
25:26
Speaker 11: eighty one percent of the time a Teal MP is
25:29
Speaker 11: voting with the Greens. And so this is I think
25:35
Speaker 11: a very significant finding if we look at some of
25:38
Speaker 11: the instances where this occurred. For example, there was an
25:44
Speaker 11: attempt by the Greens to move emotion or have the
25:48
Speaker 11: Parliament pass the motion shortly after the appalling terrorist attack
25:52
Speaker 11: in Israel, which would have criticized Israel and would have
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Speaker 11: accused it of war crimes and of an illegal occupation
26:04
Speaker 11: of Gaza. Now Sophie Scomps and Kylie Tink, two of
26:08
Speaker 11: the Teals, voted with that attempted Green's motion. Earlier this year,
26:15
Speaker 11: there was a motion moved by the Greens by Adam
26:19
Speaker 11: Band which would have taken the proposed super profit tax
26:24
Speaker 11: so called superprofit tax on gas proposed by the government
26:28
Speaker 11: doubled it and the Teals supported that motion. So I
26:32
Speaker 11: think many of the people who voted for the Teals
26:37
Speaker 11: would be quite surprised to find that they are voting
26:40
Speaker 11: with the extreme radical Greens as often as they are.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Teals do mostly pose a threat to the
26:46
Speaker 3: Liberal Party, not to Labor. Realistically, do you expect the
26:50
Speaker 3: Liberals will be able to win any seats back from
26:53
Speaker 3: the Teals at the next election, and if so which.
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Speaker 8: Well?
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Speaker 11: Our focus will be on communicating to the Australian people
27:02
Speaker 11: and whichever electorate they happen to live that First of all,
27:05
Speaker 11: we are facing an economic tail spin under this government.
27:11
Speaker 11: We've seen real incomes drop by close to ten percent.
27:17
Speaker 11: Of course, we've seen inflation sticking in persistent. This government
27:20
Speaker 11: has no idea what to do about it. So our
27:22
Speaker 11: proposition to voters in whichever seat you're in, whether it's
27:25
Speaker 11: a seat currently represented by a TLMP, a Labor MP,
27:29
Speaker 11: whoever it might be, our proposition will be that the coalition,
27:33
Speaker 11: the Liberal and National Parties have the experience and the
27:36
Speaker 11: capacity to deliver the capable economic management that we need
27:41
Speaker 11: so that Australians can start to feel better off again,
27:45
Speaker 11: because at the moment, nobody feels better off compared to
27:48
Speaker 11: two and a half years ago, and that's going to
27:51
Speaker 11: be the case. I'd suggest you wherever in Australia you live,
27:53
Speaker 11: whichever electorate you're in.
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Speaker 3: But do you think there are any realistic propositions of
27:59
Speaker 3: the Liberals winning back seats from the tills? I mean,
28:02
Speaker 3: what do you think about Allegraspander in Wentworth? Do you
28:04
Speaker 3: think there's a chance there for the Liberals? Which other
28:07
Speaker 3: seats are.
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Speaker 2: Win a book?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think what we need to do, and indeed
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Speaker 11: what we are doing is getting capable candidates in the
28:15
Speaker 11: field Ronox and Wentworth for example, working very hard, Amelia
28:21
Speaker 11: Hamer and Koyong and a range of other candidates, Tim
28:25
Speaker 11: Wilson and Goldstein working hard making the case to voters
28:30
Speaker 11: in those electorates that the Liberal and National Government has
28:36
Speaker 11: the right experience and capabilities to turn round this economic
28:42
Speaker 11: tail spin that Australia is in at the moment, and
28:45
Speaker 11: so that'll be our focus. These will be decisions for
28:48
Speaker 11: the Australian people. But it is important I think that
28:51
Speaker 11: people understand if they have a till member of Parliament
28:54
Speaker 11: right now that the Tells Party is voting with the
28:59
Speaker 11: Greens part between seventy six and eighty one percent of
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Speaker 11: the time on those emotions on substantive bills, and so
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Speaker 11: the Australian people will make up their own mind. But
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Speaker 11: it's important that they understand the true character of all
29:14
Speaker 11: of the candidates that they're considering when it comes time
29:17
Speaker 11: for the next election.
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Speaker 2: Right Paul Fletcher, really appreciate your time now still to come.
29:22
Speaker 3: The irresponsible and dangerous claims of Clementine Ford Well, Brendan
29:27
Speaker 3: O'Neil would tear her and countersul and apart. He's on
29:30
Speaker 3: the show a bit later. Plus the rising threat of
29:33
Speaker 3: independent Muslim candidates sees the launch of a new group
29:37
Speaker 3: aimed at keeping top labor ministers like Tony Burke in
29:40
Speaker 3: their jobs. Jamal Riffi would join me to talk about
29:43
Speaker 3: his rival group and why he wants Burke to stay
29:46
Speaker 3: in the job.
29:47
Speaker 2: That's right after the break welcome back. Well.
29:54
Speaker 3: Labor hasn't been particularly supportive of Israel since it was
29:58
Speaker 3: attacked by terrorists on October se That's to say the least.
30:02
Speaker 2: The decision today to back.
30:03
Speaker 3: The UK's export bound of arms by Penny Wong is
30:07
Speaker 3: just the latest hostile move and part of the reason
30:11
Speaker 3: is the Muslim population in Western Sydney. Seats held by
30:14
Speaker 3: labor ministers Tony Burke, Jason Clair and Chris Bowen. There's
30:19
Speaker 3: quite an accurate line from a refugee advocate and a
30:23
Speaker 3: Herald article today.
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Speaker 2: That points to this.
30:26
Speaker 3: Refugee advocate Jane Salmon says Tony.
30:28
Speaker 2: Burke is being forced to walk a.
30:31
Speaker 3: Fascinating line in Western Sydney where he's got to look
30:34
Speaker 3: supportive of refugees, particularly people from Palestine, while at the
30:38
Speaker 3: same time trying to be Durham light on borders.
30:43
Speaker 2: And it's so true.
30:44
Speaker 3: Tony Burke wants to present himself as an immigration minister
30:47
Speaker 3: who's just as tough as Peter Darton, but he's also
30:50
Speaker 3: trying to appeal to his constituents.
30:53
Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke and his labor mates are now facing a
30:56
Speaker 3: challenge to their seats from community based Muslim can credidates
31:00
Speaker 3: and grassroots organizations well. In response to this movement, Anti
31:05
Speaker 3: Israel figure Bob Carr is supporting a Friends of Burke
31:09
Speaker 3: group now. The group has been set up by prominent
31:12
Speaker 3: Islamic community leader who's highly respected, doctor Jamal Riffi to
31:17
Speaker 3: try to help Tony Burke and Jason Clare keep their jobs,
31:21
Speaker 3: and Jamal Riffi joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now, Jamal, welcome again to the program. Can you tell
31:27
Speaker 2: us why have you set up this group to support
31:31
Speaker 2: Tony Burke and others?
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Speaker 5: Avelon Tony Burt for over twenty years since he represented
31:37
Speaker 5: us in the seat of Watson, and I know his
31:41
Speaker 5: caliber as a person and also as a minister. When
31:45
Speaker 5: he was appointed the Immigration and the Home Afield Minister,
31:50
Speaker 5: I consulted with so many friends Watson and we felt
31:54
Speaker 5: that he wouldn't have time to actually conduct a proper
31:59
Speaker 5: campaign need for the next federal election. And we've decided
32:04
Speaker 5: collectively that we should do over part because we know
32:08
Speaker 5: that he represented us very well in the last twenty years,
32:12
Speaker 5: and we also know that there is right now he
32:15
Speaker 5: needs all the help that we can get because there
32:18
Speaker 5: is a lot of rumors and misinformations out there label him,
32:24
Speaker 5: labeling him for what he is not. Actually we know
32:27
Speaker 5: that he is not the way they're labeling him, and
32:30
Speaker 5: we thought it was actually we should play over part
32:32
Speaker 5: and we are entitled to do whatever they say, but
32:36
Speaker 5: we need to set the records straight and will also
32:38
Speaker 5: help him and in the process we have one campaign
32:42
Speaker 5: which is friends of Burke. But over Aim our two
32:45
Speaker 5: seat as you've said Watson and Blacksnan.
32:49
Speaker 3: And what concerns do you have about the faith based
32:53
Speaker 3: Muslim groups that are active in these marginal seats.
32:58
Speaker 5: And principle we are not a Muslim organization or a
33:03
Speaker 5: grassroots movement. I have consulted with Muslims, Christians, and we
33:08
Speaker 5: have amongst us also people from the Jewish faith and
33:13
Speaker 5: also from the Buddhists and non faith people. What the
33:18
Speaker 5: common ass is over Aim is to help to correct
33:25
Speaker 5: the misinformation and get supporter over local MPs and Jason
33:30
Speaker 5: Clear and Tony Burke. What other people are doing to
33:34
Speaker 5: be honest, are you know for them to talk about it?
33:40
Speaker 5: But we felt that they have labeled Jason and Tony
33:48
Speaker 5: as weak on Palistine mainly, and we felt that they
33:52
Speaker 5: are not weak on Palistine because we know the policy
33:55
Speaker 5: that actually a Labor party put out there and there
34:00
Speaker 5: are not weak. And also they are friends of the
34:02
Speaker 5: community and they are entitled to be defended. And we
34:06
Speaker 5: know that any candidate should take every election very seriously
34:11
Speaker 5: and we fell Zoo's candidate would not have time to
34:14
Speaker 5: run a good campaign. I drop a campaign, and we
34:16
Speaker 5: wanted to help doctor Riffie.
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Speaker 3: There have been reports in the City Morning Herald and
34:21
Speaker 3: on Sky News that the doctor running against Tony Burke,
34:25
Speaker 3: his name is Zad bass Uni, shared social media posts
34:30
Speaker 3: that appeared to support the October seven terror attacks.
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Speaker 2: What's your view.
34:35
Speaker 3: On Zad sharing social media social media posts that do
34:40
Speaker 3: support these terror attacks?
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Speaker 2: Solie.
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Speaker 5: When we actually made over friends of Bert movement, we
34:46
Speaker 5: knew that his Tony Burke is going to have some opposition.
34:50
Speaker 5: We didn't know who that opposition was. When doctor Bassuni
34:54
Speaker 5: actually put him himself forward, then it becomes known to
34:59
Speaker 5: us that he's also supported by the Muslims vote. We
35:02
Speaker 5: are against the Muslims vote and principle because we don't
35:05
Speaker 5: agree with face based parties. And I've known doctor Zia
35:11
Speaker 5: Basioni for a while. We are general practitioners together and
35:16
Speaker 5: we did a lot of work during COVID and before that.
35:19
Speaker 5: Now I have no doubt he does not support what
35:23
Speaker 5: Hamas did, like myself, because he also wouldn't support anyone
35:29
Speaker 5: killing civilians. So I'm not sure. I haven't seen what
35:34
Speaker 5: he put at that post, but we have no doubt
35:37
Speaker 5: whatever it was, it would not reflect him or myself
35:41
Speaker 5: and it does not reflect the majority of the Australian
35:44
Speaker 5: Muslims point of view in Australia because we don't condone
35:49
Speaker 5: killing of civilian Well, he.
35:50
Speaker 2: Did just to reiterate that point.
35:52
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the City Morning Herald report and
35:54
Speaker 3: they showed the image that he did share social media
35:57
Speaker 3: posts containing an illustration of a throwing protester and a
36:01
Speaker 3: machine gun wielding paragliber This is just on October twelve,
36:05
Speaker 3: so five days after the terror attacks, and the caption
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Speaker 3: was dreams my friend come true for those who seek
36:11
Speaker 3: and work to see them come true. And as we know,
36:13
Speaker 3: Hamas militants, Hamas terrorists use paragliders to breach.
36:17
Speaker 2: The border into Israel. On October seven, he shared those.
36:20
Speaker 3: He didn't comment when The Herald went to him for comment.
36:24
Speaker 3: But do you think it would be dangerous having a
36:27
Speaker 3: politician in Canberra who had shared social media posts that
36:31
Speaker 3: appear to support the terror attacks.
36:33
Speaker 5: Look overpopulation would know which politician would represent their review
36:39
Speaker 5: and they will voart them in. People who have extreme
36:41
Speaker 5: review or who condone these movements that will not be
36:45
Speaker 5: voted in without any doubt in.
36:47
Speaker 2: My view, Doctor Revi.
36:49
Speaker 3: Just finally, you know we are seeing a rise in
36:51
Speaker 3: anti Semitism in Australia.
36:54
Speaker 2: Are you worried about this?
36:55
Speaker 3: You've done a lot of work into faith work in
36:58
Speaker 3: the past.
36:59
Speaker 5: Without an out anti semitism and anti Islamophobia, it will
37:03
Speaker 5: impact negatively on over unity as a nation. And also
37:07
Speaker 5: I've always said that diversity is important, but unity in
37:11
Speaker 5: diversity it's much more important. And what I have seen
37:16
Speaker 5: right now, unfortunately it does not reflect the majority of
37:21
Speaker 5: Australian population, but that are minority who are targeting people
37:26
Speaker 5: of the Islamic face and the Jewish face, and that
37:29
Speaker 5: is very unfair and also an impact on over social cohesion.
37:33
Speaker 5: We're definitely looking forward for the Anti Semitism's Invoid to
37:38
Speaker 5: do her work and hopefully there will be also an
37:41
Speaker 5: anti Islamophobia envoid because I know that the government is
37:45
Speaker 5: still searching right now.
37:46
Speaker 3: Well, I just wanted to actually ask you about that
37:48
Speaker 3: because they were meant to be announced at the same
37:50
Speaker 3: time at Anti Semitism and Anti Islamophobia Envoy. But I
37:54
Speaker 3: hear you say the government's still searching for someone. I
37:57
Speaker 3: hear that the government hasn't been able to find any
38:00
Speaker 3: want to do that islamophobia role.
38:02
Speaker 2: Why would that be?
38:04
Speaker 5: No, I'm sure that there are plenty amongst us that
38:07
Speaker 5: actually are quite capable of.
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Speaker 1: Doing the job.
38:12
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there will be some other priorities. And I know
38:15
Speaker 5: some people that put their hands up and there were
38:20
Speaker 5: discussing with them the ins and out of the position.
38:24
Speaker 5: And unfortunately some of these people they had family commitment,
38:28
Speaker 5: work commitment, not because they are against the idea, but
38:32
Speaker 5: just because they couldn't do it themselves.
38:34
Speaker 3: Okay, just quickly before you go, we've seen hate preachers
38:38
Speaker 3: spreading dangerous messages. Do you think they should be charged
38:41
Speaker 3: under race hate laws? In the interest of social cohesion?
38:46
Speaker 5: Without any doubt, I reckon we are all well served
38:49
Speaker 5: with our current law and legislation and if they can
38:55
Speaker 5: act within that the law and the legislations, they should
38:59
Speaker 5: act on it. And if they are not and they
39:01
Speaker 5: need more legislations, they will discuss it. Was over politician
39:04
Speaker 5: and decision makers. I feel that we shouldn't silence people.
39:10
Speaker 5: They will have their opinion, they can actually express it
39:16
Speaker 5: because it's important for generation to be exposed to all
39:23
Speaker 5: these ideas, so surely.
39:25
Speaker 2: Discussion anti American and hateful.
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, definitely not not to that extent.
39:31
Speaker 5: And look, there is preachers in the Muslims community. To
39:35
Speaker 5: be honest, they have no impact whatsoever because throughout the
39:39
Speaker 5: years we always discuss the existence of these opinion and
39:43
Speaker 5: ideas and we tell them why we shouldn't follow them,
39:46
Speaker 5: and we give them also some resources so they can
39:50
Speaker 5: not to be impressionate about it. Unfortunately, there will always
39:55
Speaker 5: be some people who have some mental issue, physical issue,
39:58
Speaker 5: psychological issue who's impressionate and the impact on them. But
40:02
Speaker 5: zar very handful, very handful, to be honest.
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Speaker 3: All right, doctor Jamal Riffie, really appreciate your time once again,
40:08
Speaker 3: thank you. Now after the break, a comment by so
40:13
Speaker 3: called feminist Clementine Ford discrediting the murder of six Israeli.
40:17
Speaker 2: Hostages will leave you speechless.
40:19
Speaker 3: Plus the Prime Minister accused of igniting a class war.
40:23
Speaker 3: Why a major lobby group is coming after him. That's
40:26
Speaker 3: with my political panel next, welcome back. Well, let's bring
40:33
Speaker 3: in now tonight's political panel, National Z MP Keith Pitt
40:36
Speaker 3: and Labor MP Daniel Malino.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
40:40
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of criticism of the RBA. We're
40:43
Speaker 3: now seeing the coalition back away from the move to
40:47
Speaker 3: overhaul the RBA board. Keith Pitt, What are the coalition's
40:52
Speaker 3: concerns over this? I mean Angus Taylor today said that
40:55
Speaker 3: it could give the government the opportunity to stack the board.
40:58
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
41:01
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's very clear.
41:03
Speaker 10: Like every other board with this federal labor government, they
41:06
Speaker 10: tend to get union representatives on board. The RBA has
41:09
Speaker 10: to maintain its independence. It is incredibly important that they
41:13
Speaker 10: can set the interest rate without political interference because that
41:17
Speaker 10: is what controls inflation. And it is inflation that is
41:19
Speaker 10: out of control and causing the most damage. At the moment,
41:22
Speaker 10: everyone I know they are struggling to live shari and
41:26
Speaker 10: it's because of the massive increases in costs now.
41:29
Speaker 1: Interest rates are a part of that.
41:30
Speaker 10: If you have a mortgage, but nothing hurts you more
41:33
Speaker 10: than not being able to pay your food bill, your
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Speaker 10: electricity bill, and everything else associated with your everyday life.
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Speaker 1: And that is what's doing the damage.
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Speaker 10: And yet we've got a treasurer he wants to get
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Speaker 10: in a fight with everything but inflation.
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Speaker 3: Daniel Molina what's your response to Angus Taylor's claim today
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Speaker 3: that labor could then stack the RBA board with as
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Speaker 3: Keith just said, union operatives.
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Speaker 1: Well, you won't be surprised to hear that.
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Speaker 13: I disagree with both Keith and Angus's analysis. Look, the
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Speaker 13: reforms that are being put to the Parliament really based
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Speaker 13: upon a review that was very well received, that was
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Speaker 13: run by international experts and domestic experts. It was a
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Speaker 13: series of recommendations that were eminently sensible, and the recommendations
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Speaker 13: that have been acted on to date have strengthened the board,
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Speaker 13: moving from monthly to six weekly meetings, moving to a
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Speaker 13: stronger and more transparent communications regime.
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Speaker 1: Now when it comes to moving.
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Speaker 13: Towards a board that is separately set up to look
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Speaker 13: at interest rate decisions and a board that runs the bank,
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Speaker 13: the RBA itself has said that there is merit in
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Speaker 13: having some continuity in the people who move across to
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Speaker 13: the new board that runs the bank, and there is
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Speaker 13: merit in having external experts come on to the new
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Speaker 13: board that will set monetary policy decisions. So really, I
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Speaker 13: think what we're really seeing here is as Taylor opposing
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Speaker 13: moves that the Treasurer has been consulting him on over
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Speaker 13: the last several months, trying to find common ground wherever
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Speaker 13: possibly reasonably possible, because Angus Taylor sees wrecking at this
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Speaker 13: stage as being the best political strategy.
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Speaker 1: What the Treasure is put forward is eminently sensible and
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Speaker 1: would have strengthened the bank.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the furious farmers who turned
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Speaker 3: up to Parliament House today protesting the government's live sheep
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Speaker 3: expot ban, Keith. They were very angry they turned up
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Speaker 3: to Parliament. Obviously the Coalition has already promised to overturn
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Speaker 3: this ban.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the government should be looking at this now?
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Speaker 10: Well, let's look at what's happening to them, Shari. They're
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Speaker 10: going to lose their business, they lose their farms, they
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Speaker 10: lose their houses, they lose their jobs. And why because
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Speaker 10: you have a federal labor government who has made an
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Speaker 10: ideological decision to shut down an industry which is.
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Speaker 1: Lawful, there's nothing wrong with it.
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Speaker 10: In fact, it's been a great mainstay in Western Australia
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Speaker 10: for a long period of time, and why shouldn't they
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Speaker 10: be able to keep their jobs. So if you want
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Speaker 10: to keep the sheep, you should scrap labor. If you
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Speaker 10: want to keep the sheep, reject labor. If you want
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Speaker 10: to keep the shape, stop barting for labor. And this
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Speaker 10: is the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: What is next? Which industry is next? And the answer
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Speaker 1: is we just don't know.
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Speaker 3: Daniel, what's your response to this anger by farmers over
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Speaker 3: the live xpot man.
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Speaker 13: Well, so this was a policy that we've taken to
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Speaker 13: the last two elections. It's a policy based on primarily
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Speaker 13: animal welfare and would bring us into alignment with best practice. Look,
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Speaker 13: what I'd say is I really feel for people who
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Speaker 13: are adversely affected by policy, whether it's this one or
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Speaker 13: there's any number of policies that governments take whichever side
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Speaker 13: is in power that can adversely affect individuals.
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Speaker 1: So that's why it's important that there's a.
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Speaker 13: Compensation package in place that was widely consulted on. What
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Speaker 13: I'd also say is that the live exports part of
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Speaker 13: this industry has been in decline for a long time.
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Speaker 13: I think it's reduced by ninety percent since the turn
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Speaker 13: of the century. It declined significantly under the previous government
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Speaker 13: for the decade they are in power. We need to
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Speaker 13: help these farmers to pivot to a different part of
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Speaker 13: the sector and not pretend that we can continue with
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Speaker 13: this part of the sector which has been declining for
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Speaker 13: a long time.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we've got to go where out of time.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Malin o'keith Pitt really appreciate it. Thanks now.
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Speaker 3: Coming up disgraceful comment by radical activists Clementine Ford and
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Speaker 3: why the left and right, the far left and far
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Speaker 3: right have fallen into bigotry. Intellectual thought leader Brendon O'Neil
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Speaker 3: joins us next. Well, the fraudulent feminist at Clementine Ford
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Speaker 3: has outrageously claimed that six Israeli hostages weren't killed by Hamas.
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Speaker 3: On social media, she wrote, I don't for a second
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Speaker 3: believe that her mass executed the hostages.
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Speaker 2: Israel's desperation stinks.
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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, Hamas did execute those young men
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Speaker 3: and women in cold blood. But what's even worse is
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Speaker 3: that Clementine Ford is still continually invited to speak at
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Speaker 3: prestigious forums like the Opera House and.
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Speaker 2: Writer As festivals.
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Speaker 3: The literary elite in this country don't seem to care
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Speaker 3: about her callous, insensitive and offensive views, but Brendan O'Neil does.
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Speaker 3: He's written an article comparing Clementine Ford to America's right
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Speaker 3: wing conspiracy theorist Candice Owens, and I'm pleased to say
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Speaker 3: Spiked Onlines chief political writer joins us Now, Brendan, great
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Speaker 3: to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Look what do this pair, unlikely pair have in common.
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Speaker 8: Well, the main thing they have in common is just
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Speaker 8: an obsession with Israel and an obsessive hatred for Israel.
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Speaker 8: It's really really weird and unsettling to see that someone
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Speaker 8: on the hard right like Candice Owens can have so
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Speaker 8: much in common with someone on the hard left like Clementine.
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Speaker 8: But they really do have a lot in common when
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Speaker 8: it comes to the Israel question. You know, when you
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Speaker 8: look at Clementine Ford's comment about her mass not killing
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Speaker 8: those hostages, it's really depraved. Actually. Number one, they did
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Speaker 8: kill them, as you say, and they've said they killed them,
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Speaker 8: they've admitted it. But then you also think to yourself,
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Speaker 8: you know, this is a woman. She comes from a left,
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Speaker 8: the kind of Melbourne left that claims to be anti fascist,
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Speaker 8: and yet now she's making excuses for a fascist movement.
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Speaker 8: She claims to be a feminist, she claims to care
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Speaker 8: about women, but she said nothing about the rape and
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Speaker 8: murder of Israeli women on seventh of October. In fact,
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Speaker 8: lots of the left in Australia and across the West
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Speaker 8: has either said nothing about the persecution of those Jewish
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Speaker 8: women or have even denied that it happened. So I
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Speaker 8: think Clementine Ford is a good example of how the
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Speaker 8: left has completely lost the plot and completely exposed its
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Speaker 8: own bigotry since seventh of October and.
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Speaker 3: Matt Shorlee by the fire Right and the lunacy of
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Speaker 3: the fire right.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, we can see now that the far left
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Speaker 8: and the far right have come together in a kind
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Speaker 8: of pincer movement with Israel and the Jews as their target.
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Speaker 8: And it really does show you what happens when you
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Speaker 8: fall down the into the cesspit of conspiracy theory, when
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Speaker 8: you become convinced that the Jewish state is the source
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Speaker 8: of all evil and instability in the world, you end
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Speaker 8: up going mad, you end up adhering to very bigoted,
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Speaker 8: ugly views. And that's what's happened on both the right,
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Speaker 8: sections of the right and sections of the left. And
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Speaker 8: I think Candy Zones and Clementine Ford sadly sum up
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Speaker 8: this situation very well and I think sensible voices on
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Speaker 8: both the left and the right they're still there. They
48:43
Speaker 8: need to come together and say no, we're not going
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Speaker 8: along with this. We've had enough of it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, that's what I tried to do just tonight.
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Speaker 3: I had a leading Islamic figure on the show who's
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Speaker 3: against a lot of the hatred that we're seeing, even
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Speaker 3: though we would clearly not agree on the question of
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Speaker 3: you know, Middle East. And Now, before you go, Brendan,
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the big presidential debate tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: What are you expecting when Kamala Harrison Donald Trump go
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Speaker 3: head to head.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm looking forward to it, I have to say.
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Speaker 8: I think Kamala Harris has hidden away for far too
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Speaker 8: long from the media, from press conferences. She's only given
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Speaker 8: one interview and that was to see it and n
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Speaker 8: who gave her a very easy ride. I think she's
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Speaker 8: in for a tough time in this debate. Donald Trump
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Speaker 8: is a seasoned speaker, he loves talking to the media,
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Speaker 8: he loves running rings around people, and she's not very
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Speaker 8: practiced and sometimes not very good, so she could be
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Speaker 8: in for a rough ride. I think Trump might actually
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Speaker 8: do her some damage, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Speaker 3: I think yeah, And of course that's going to be
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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Brendan Oneil. Always love having you on the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time, and so don't
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Speaker 3: miss the program tomorrow night at eight o'clock, we'll have
49:53
Speaker 3: all the analysis from Donald Trump and Kamala Harris. Well,
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Speaker 3: the polls could be looking very different after tomorrow debate.
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Speaker 2: We'll see.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your company tonight, see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: And right now he's Paul Murray