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The Week That Was - 7th October 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Not only is it Camp Quality Radio Auction Day, but
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  Speaker 1: it is time for the week that was. And joining
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  Speaker 1: me in the studio this morning the Deputy Opposition Leader
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  Speaker 1: Jered Meylee.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 3: We have got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning Kathleen.
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  Speaker 4: Morning everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, lovely to have you in the studio. We've got
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  Speaker 1: Keysier Puric, the Independent member for Goida.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning to you, morning Katie.
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  Speaker 5: Morning Bush people.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got Labour's Naria Kid who is indeed the
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  Speaker 1: Minister for Corporate and Digital Development.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning Katie.
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  Speaker 3: Now great to have you all in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the serious issues of the week.
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  Speaker 1: It is, of course Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. It
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  Speaker 1: is the day we're both us here at Mix one
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  Speaker 1: oh four nine and also at Hot one hundred, the
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  Speaker 1: young People's station across the hallway. We scrap the normal
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  Speaker 1: sort of programming throughout the morning to raise money for
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  Speaker 1: Camp Quality, and all money raised stage right here in
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Now, as we all know, Camp Quality
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  Speaker 1: does help kids and families to build optimism and resilience
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  Speaker 1: towards the cancer experience. It is all about. It is
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  Speaker 1: all through community education at a huge dose of fun.
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  Speaker 7: Now, Jared Maylee, last year you donated a real territory
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  Speaker 7: experience for us, didn't you.
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  Speaker 2: You got me laughing there, sorry, And I ultimately donated
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  Speaker 2: a half day pig hunt, which basically leaves on a
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  Speaker 2: at one o'clock from humping you do cabin on a
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  Speaker 2: on a Sunday or a Saturday, and get back there
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  Speaker 2: about seven pm for two people. So I'm happy to
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  Speaker 2: do that again this week. So someone wants to come
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  Speaker 2: out for a real experience. You'll get myself and my
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  Speaker 2: brother a lawyer. So you get a lawyer and a politician.
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  Speaker 3: Advice and you can escape escape.
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  Speaker 2: You come out for the afternoon, have to throw one
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  Speaker 2: rider in with his rain bounds, probably spread the pigs
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, so I we'll still go for a
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  Speaker 2: look around, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So a half day pig hunt, now, tell us again
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  Speaker 1: what it includes.
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  Speaker 2: So basically what it includes is a tour of McKinley
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  Speaker 2: station and we're just down near the bar cut. We
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  Speaker 2: leave the hup you do shopping center at one pm
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  Speaker 2: on a Saturday or a Sunday, and we get back
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  Speaker 2: about seven, and your freshmans and you and your friend. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't drink when we're out there, but you can
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  Speaker 2: bring if you want, some soft drinks down on our
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  Speaker 2: go and alcohol together, but very sensible. Bring some beers
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  Speaker 2: when you finish, if you want to, that's fine. And
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  Speaker 2: then ultimately we go for a look around and we'll
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  Speaker 2: probably see some well buffalo.
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  Speaker 5: The fishing chuck a line in somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are a couple of fishing spots. There also
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  Speaker 2: a lot of crocodile, so caful about that.
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  Speaker 3: So all right, I reckon this is going to go off.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start the bidding at five hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: on my husband's behalf, Patrick. I think that he would
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  Speaker 1: like to win this peak hunt. He went out last
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  Speaker 1: year and said it was the best. He had an
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  Speaker 1: absolute ball. So I reckon, I'll start at five hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: If there is anybody out.
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  Speaker 5: There, Kathleen should put inside.
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  Speaker 1: All right, mate, we could go well, let's start at
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  Speaker 1: five hundred.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see where we land. Yeah, all right, so Kathleen
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  Speaker 3: and I'll start there now.
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  Speaker 1: If you do want to call through, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to play a bid on that auction item, nine one
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  Speaker 1: O four nine. Now, Keysier, I understand you've also got
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  Speaker 1: something very very.
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  Speaker 5: Unique, exceptionally unique. I know our heart have exceptionally unique.
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  Speaker 5: It's either unique or not.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway that aside, ye I have.
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  Speaker 5: I will donate a cubic meter or a box trailer
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  Speaker 5: load of yard manure which is organic, gluten free and
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  Speaker 5: vegan friendly. So for the lefties out my lefty friends
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  Speaker 5: out there, especially those people in Nightcliff or those who
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  Speaker 5: listen to the.
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  Speaker 3: ABE, you might like that one. I think the Chief
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  Speaker 3: Minister should be for this.
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  Speaker 5: This is this organic, gluten free, vegan friendly yard man.
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  Speaker 2: You would just go perfect in her garden.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen writing some notes over there. She might be
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  Speaker 1: taking note for one of those off tonight, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: Share the microphone and then so and I'm happy to deliver.
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  Speaker 5: I've got a box trailer myself, all right.
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  Speaker 3: And you're happy to deliver it this year as well.
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  Speaker 5: Not down to down river though, be said about it.
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  Speaker 5: That probably got their own yard manure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So all right, So eight nine four one one
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  Speaker 1: o four nine, if you would like to either have
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  Speaker 1: a bid at the at the half day Pig Hunt
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  Speaker 1: or the cubic meter of.
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  Speaker 5: Organic, gluten free, vegan friendly yard. We got a lot
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  Speaker 5: of trouble to appeal to all these weirdos out there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh goodness me so alright, alright, Well, I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know where we're sitting at the moment. I'm assuming that
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  Speaker 3: we're sitting.
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  Speaker 1: At at well, my bid basically for the pig hunt,
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  Speaker 1: for the half day pig hunt eight nine four one
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  Speaker 1: one o four nine, if you do want to have
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  Speaker 1: a crack at that. Now, look, we are going to
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  Speaker 1: have to get into the serious issues of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Someone Greg from parap Tho has just messaged and said
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  Speaker 1: a politician offering shit?
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  Speaker 3: Does that mean you're putting a bit in grad?
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  Speaker 5: Has it for the.
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  Speaker 3: Well coming from Parliament House?
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  Speaker 5: Perhaps you've got someone out that you don't like, Greg,
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  Speaker 5: and I can deliver it to them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh goodness, may all right, we better get into the
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  Speaker 1: serious issues of the week, because there has been an
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  Speaker 1: awfully lot happening. And well we've just learned early this
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  Speaker 1: morning that, following a review into the use of spi
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  Speaker 1: hoods in the Northern Territory, watchhouses are decisions being made
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  Speaker 1: to cease their youth use. I should say on youths
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  Speaker 1: in police custody. Now, while the use of spit hoods
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  Speaker 1: in territory watchhouses is considered very low, this new move
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  Speaker 1: brings the Northern Territory in line with other jurisdictions. Split
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  Speaker 1: hoods will remain available as an option for adults in custody,
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  Speaker 1: with the Northern Territory Police to adopt a more contemporary
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  Speaker 1: and safe version of the spit hood. So that is
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  Speaker 1: indeed what has been announced this morning by the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory government. They say that the safety and well being
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  Speaker 1: of our police's paramount and all staff will maintain access
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  Speaker 1: to personal protective equipment to reduce the risk of bio
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  Speaker 1: hazard exposure. So this announcement obviously made earlier this morning,
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  Speaker 1: it is one that I've no doubt is going to
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  Speaker 1: sort of you know, I get a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: thinking this morning. I know that Paul Mchue, the president
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  Speaker 1: of the Police Association, has said that the associations yet
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  Speaker 1: to see what the other options are in its place
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  Speaker 1: in the place of using these spi hoods, and that
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  Speaker 1: they knew that there was a review in place but
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  Speaker 1: didn't get consulted, and that it will have immediate effects
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  Speaker 1: in watchhouses across the Northern territory. I mean, Nai, why
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  Speaker 1: did the government decide to go down this path?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks, Katie. Spitboards are always a sensitive and contentious issue,
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  Speaker 8: and you know it's our absolute duty to make sure
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  Speaker 8: that our first responders, our police and our watchhouses are
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  Speaker 8: able to carry out their job and being kept as
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  Speaker 8: safe as possible.
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  Speaker 6: So I think the statement basically says a lot of
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  Speaker 6: it Katie.
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  Speaker 8: It comes down to falling into line with other jurisdictions
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  Speaker 8: as well, but it is removing the use of SPI
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  Speaker 8: hoods in watchhouses on young people who are in detention.
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  Speaker 8: So you know, it's really important to remember that police
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  Speaker 8: do have access to their personal protective equipment. Unfortunately, there
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  Speaker 8: are people who do spit, which is absolutely obhorrent and disgusting.
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  Speaker 8: We did bring in harsher penalties to hold people to
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  Speaker 8: account for that really filthy, really derogatory behavior, and it's
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  Speaker 8: making sure that police do still have the ability to
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  Speaker 8: use the SPI hoods in exceptional circumstances on adults.
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  Speaker 6: So unfortunately, some people do continue to spit.
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  Speaker 2: I think the answer is quite simple. If you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to put a spin on, don't spit. Wow And
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  Speaker 2: It also seems that they haven't asked the people who
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  Speaker 2: actually get spent on the police because the Police Association
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  Speaker 2: said they weren't consoleds. So it really shows that this
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  Speaker 2: government have put their head in this end here and
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  Speaker 2: don't really care about the people who are actually getting
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  Speaker 2: spat on themselves.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that those people there in custody in the
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  Speaker 5: first place.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, if you don't want to get spirit, don't spit.
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  Speaker 1: And Association has just issued a statement and said that
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  Speaker 1: spithoods are used as an option of last resort to
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  Speaker 1: protect our members who have a right to a safe workplace,
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  Speaker 1: and that spitting's a vile and disgusting act that can
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  Speaker 1: have potentially lifelong impacts on our members and personal professional
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  Speaker 1: and family life, and many of our members have said
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  Speaker 1: that they would rather be punched in the face than
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  Speaker 1: spat on. They say that they're yet to be consultant
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  Speaker 1: on what personal protective equipment will be offered to our
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  Speaker 1: members and how it's going to impact on custody duties.
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  Speaker 1: They continue by saying, we've previously said, in the absence
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  Speaker 1: of any suitable work health and safety alternative, spit hood
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  Speaker 1: should be removed at or should be removed at the
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  Speaker 1: stroke of a pen sometimes or sorry, someone else's bad
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  Speaker 1: behavior should not be rewarded at the expense of the
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  Speaker 1: safety of police, who, in the absence of alternatives, would
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  Speaker 1: be forced to use other defensive options to protect themselves.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the whole face that has to be protected.
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  Speaker 5: It's just not like a mask of your nose and mouth.
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  Speaker 5: The eyes in particular have to be protected.
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  Speaker 6: And so.
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  Speaker 5: If the Police Association says they haven't been consulted yet,
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  Speaker 5: the spinwoos have got to go, well, that's leaving our
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  Speaker 5: police officers vulnerable and I just don't think that's right.
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  Speaker 5: And the fact that the government hasn't consulted yet again, it.
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  Speaker 4: Such a simple step. I mean it personally, I mean
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately for the officers who are now extremely concerned and
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  Speaker 4: adding to the low morale. No doubt that this doesn't
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  Speaker 4: really come as much as surprise, and what happened in
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  Speaker 4: the Royal Commission and the Four Corners show that that
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  Speaker 4: picture obviously is brandon in everyone's mind. But like, why
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't you just talk to the Police Association and head
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  Speaker 4: off those that entire argument about not being consulted from
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  Speaker 4: the starting point.
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  Speaker 5: Because they're not organized trying.
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  Speaker 2: To arrest the youth who's violent, who's coming on drugs
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  Speaker 2: or off drugs, and you've got to wear a face
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  Speaker 2: mask of full body suit gloves. How would you do
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  Speaker 2: job properly when you're trying to restrain someone who's who's
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  Speaker 2: physically active.
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  Speaker 1: In face It's definitely worth noting that, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: amount that the split hoods are used is obviously very minimal.
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  Speaker 1: Like it, it isn't very often that they're used in
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  Speaker 1: any way. Nobody really thinks that they should be used
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  Speaker 1: or need to be used, But the fact is they're
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  Speaker 1: used when people are spitting or when there is the
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  Speaker 1: concern that they're going to spit. Now, I know we've
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  Speaker 1: previously interviewed the Police Association about this and you know, yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 1: but even you know, we're talking last Friday morning, I'd
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  Speaker 1: read out on the show a situation where the transit
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  Speaker 1: officers was spat on, you know, while they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to arrest somebody. It's really unfortunate that this kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing happens, but it happens, and I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's another decision that's that the Northern Territory government has
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  Speaker 1: gone down without doing that consultation because they sort of
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  Speaker 1: don't want to know what.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what the people on the front line are saying.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think or don't want to hear it because
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  Speaker 1: it'll get in the way of them making a decision,
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  Speaker 1: you know, or you know, going down this path, which
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  Speaker 1: they were clearly intent on going down.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I understand it.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that you're trying to modernize things and step
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  Speaker 1: away from the way in which things were maybe previously done.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, can you imagine turning up to work
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  Speaker 1: and someone's spitting in your face.
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  Speaker 2: It's clearly this decision is made by someone who hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been spat on and by the victim, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: police officer front line. And this is just another example
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  Speaker 2: of the labor government putting the rights of the offender
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  Speaker 2: before the victim. You know, the poor little offender, he
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  Speaker 2: needs looked after or she needs looked after. Well what
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  Speaker 2: about the victim? What about the police officer or the
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  Speaker 2: transit officer, or just a general public who gets spat on,
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  Speaker 2: have to wait months for tests to come back, the
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  Speaker 2: pressure on the family, all that sort of stuff, all
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  Speaker 2: to protect the offenders. Clearly, if you're not going to offend.
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  Speaker 2: You won't be there, and if you are there, don't spit.
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  Speaker 5: Well we know only too clearly because the story has
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  Speaker 5: been told. I think in here Katie that a female
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  Speaker 5: police officer in South Australia was spat on and did
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  Speaker 5: contract herpes, and so she'll be stuck with that virus
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  Speaker 5: for the rest of her days. So, I mean, police
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  Speaker 5: have the use of batons, they have the use of
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  Speaker 5: handcuffs at their disposal for obvious reasons, and they should
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  Speaker 5: have the option of having a spittal at their disposal
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  Speaker 5: to help them to protect themselves first and foremost and
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  Speaker 5: also to help calm the individual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can ask the minister who was consultant.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure, do we know?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So I'm not the Minister for Police, but I
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  Speaker 8: do understand that Minister Kate Warden, as the Minister for Police,
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  Speaker 8: will be going out with more detail later today and
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure she'd be able to answer those questions around consultation.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we might get ready to take a very
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  Speaker 3: short break.
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  Speaker 1: Before we do that, let's not forget that the camp
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  Speaker 1: Quality radio auction is indeed on. Just got a message
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  Speaker 1: from Kenny Vales and he said, I'll bid six hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars for pigging with the Melee brothers. Three old to
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  Speaker 1: Midman high school mate shooting like old days plus two
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  Speaker 1: CLP and one old labor bloke will be interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: might end up, I might end b seams Again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure what that last bit means.
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  Speaker 2: Kennyge not come back.
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  Speaker 3: For a long time, all right, So six hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 1: I will just make sure that Sarah and and Crystal
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  Speaker 1: who are out there keeping an eye on all the bids.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Six hundred dollars now sitting with Kenny vals for the
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  Speaker 1: half day pig hunt. Still no bids yet at this
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  Speaker 1: stage on the organic manure, but I know we'll get there.
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  Speaker 1: So that number if you do want to call through
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  Speaker 1: and place a bid eight nine four one one oh
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  Speaker 1: four nine. And of course all money raised today is
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  Speaker 1: for Camp Quality staying right here in the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
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  Speaker 1: p sixty. It is the week that was these indeed
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  Speaker 1: Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. Now to give you a
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  Speaker 1: bit of an update the half day pig hunt with
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  Speaker 1: the Melee Boys. It is currently sitting at six hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars with Kenny vals so that should be a fun one.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon and then somebody's message through fifty dollars for
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  Speaker 1: the organic manure.
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  Speaker 5: Adrian, Adrian, it's more than that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for the kids.
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  Speaker 5: It's for the kids. I can't travel all that way
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  Speaker 5: into the big city for fifty, but.
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  Speaker 6: It's going to be.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to need to be more, a bit more now.
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  Speaker 5: And don't forget agent, you've got to shovel it off
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  Speaker 5: the trailer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's not a oh it sounds like a job.
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  Speaker 1: No, let me just take you across to a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a road update. So, due to a crash in the
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  Speaker 1: area of vandal And Drive and Collectrics Road, vandal And
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  Speaker 1: Drive outbound towards Palmerston's been shut down completely, whilst vandal
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  Speaker 1: And Drive inbound towards Casarina has been reduced to one
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  Speaker 1: lane of traffic. People could avoid that area, it would
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  Speaker 1: be greatly appreciated. As what we're being told now, there
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  Speaker 1: is a separate traffic alert as well for the Stuart
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  Speaker 1: Highway in Catherine. I'll just bring that up and essentially
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  Speaker 1: emergency services are responding to a single vehicle crash along
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  Speaker 1: the Stuart Highway around forty kilometers south of Catherine. The
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  Speaker 1: highway is current closed in both directions, is what I'm
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  Speaker 1: being told at this point. So there is certainly a
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  Speaker 1: lot happening on our roads. Police are urging motorists to
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  Speaker 1: slow down and follow all member directions. Please avoid the
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  Speaker 1: area if possible. Now let's talk about the minimum flow price.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the three year evaluation of the minimum
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  Speaker 1: unit price has been released yesterday and it was designed
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  Speaker 1: as part of a suite of alcohol reforms aimed at
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  Speaker 1: cutting alcohol related harm and antisocial behavior across the Northern Territory. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the government issued a release yesterday and said, while acknowledging
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  Speaker 1: that it was difficult to solely evaluate the minimum unit
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  Speaker 1: price without considering the assistance of other alcohol reform measures,
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  Speaker 1: the evaluation concluded that the minimum unit price had been
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  Speaker 1: effective and recommended keeping it in place now. The key
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  Speaker 1: findings included a reduction in alcohol related harms, a reduction
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  Speaker 1: in the supply of low cost high alcohol products like
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  Speaker 1: cask wine, and no evidence to suggest that the minimum
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  Speaker 1: unit price had any negative effects on industry, tourism or
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory economy.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you yesterday when this news came out,
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  Speaker 1: and then when I interviewed the Chief Minister, Natasha Files,
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  Speaker 1: people were fired up.
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  Speaker 6: I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: Out of you know, the hundreds of comments that we got,
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  Speaker 1: there was maybe one or two who were saying, we
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: really support the minimum unit price.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: The large majority was saying, if this.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Is working, why are we continuing to see such anti
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: social behavior around the place. Why are we seeing bottles
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: of empty gym beam rum yellowtail? Why are we seeing
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: glass over footpaths? And you know, I guess that's it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a valid question that people have got.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: If it is working, why are we still seeing these issues?
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: In fact, we're actually seeing more glass on the roads now,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Like ill rite my pushbike around the line. I wrote
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: into the city a number of times and the amount
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: of broken rum bottles and gym bean bottles on the
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: side of the pushbike path is amazing because Aldly, in
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: my view, and I think the evidence backs this up,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: that people aren't buying the cast wine, They're going on
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: to the heavier spirits, spending more of their low income
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: on spirits because it's quite expensive, getting more drunk on
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it and causing more any social behavior. So it's really
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: just passing the bark and it's clearly this hasn't worked
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: and it's time to get rid of it, and the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: CP would get rid of that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I honestly don't understand how the government could come out
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: and make the statement they did without providing full background
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: facts Like the questions I have is who undertook this
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: research and who did it and where did they do it?
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: But more importantly, Katie, is what methodology did they use?
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Because if the methodology of gathering the data is flawed,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: then the results are going to be flawed. So the
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: government needs to come out with a lot more information
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: in regards to how they got to this position of
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: declaring what they've declared. Because I'm with Jared, is our
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: tenants wy camp around the back of Bunnings not on
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: my road and this it is gone. It's gravitated more
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: to the spirits. And this is not the first time
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: it's happened, Katie. It's happened all across the charity over
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: a number of decades. If you can't get access to
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the cheap wine, then gravitate onto the spirits of some description,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: and usually it's the sweet ones like the bundies and
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: the RUMs and that kind of thing, or the heavier
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: beers or the long next things of that nature. So
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: to say that it's working, I just think it's rubbish.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: It's not working, never has never's going to work.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Nri.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Would you say that it is working in an electorate
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: like Karama at the moment? Would you say that things
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: have you know that harm has minimized and anti social
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: behavior is minimized as a result of it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: We continue to have our own social issues out there
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: like every other Electric Katie. We are seeing well, I
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: personally have seen a bit more glass being broken around,
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: but I couldn't actually tell you whether that's the purchase
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: of more alcohol or more people just smashing glass because
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: it's either fun or I don't know why people are
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: behaving like that, but it's absolutely unacceptable. But what's really
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: important is that we all do understand that alcohol is
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: having a long standing detrimental effect. And what's really sad
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: is that we have a number of people who are
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: doing the right thing. They do manage their alcohol. Alcohol
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: is a legal substance if you can buy it and
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: you're not on the BDR and you've got the money
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: to afford it yourself, then you'll purchase it. We do
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: have a it seems like a growing number of people
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: who just can't manage that. And I'm always wary that
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: there are, you know, conversations about this. But we needed
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: to look at this holistically. We need to support people
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: to make better decisions. But I'm very aware of we
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: can't make somebody live a life a certain way. All
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: we can do is try and wrap around support services
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: and encourage them to make better decisions. So we've got
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: a lot of support services out there, we have our
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: sobering up shelters, We have opportunities for people to do better,
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: and that's what we'll keep working on.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Look, I guess it was just yesterday it got to
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the point where it was almost laughable to be honest,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: when the government came out and said that it was working.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: When it's in the same sort of week that we're
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you know, we are experiencing anti social behavior.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Just as jumping katey. Isn't it the same week that
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: the government announced a million dollars for security guy and
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: dogs for Corama and Relac like two hundred thousand dollars.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: So clearly that's not getting better. And I'm not picking
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: on your subbers in particular, but that could happen elsewhere,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: could have an intend could happen now the spring. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: we're actually seeing an increase on escalation of problems and
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: it's we all know it's associated with alcohol. So BDR
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: hasn't not the well I don't think that works either.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: But this flow proce thing, it's not working because you're
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: having to go and get private security people to protect
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: your land.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Look, I also we're saying, I mean three months ago,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: stronger Futures ended, and you know, the seems like the
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: government dropped the ball on how that was going to transition.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, doctor Boffer has said, why didn't the government
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: do an opt out process so that communities had to
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: make the active decision to opt in, yeah, rather than
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the opt in. It seems like the horse is completely bolted.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Well, and that was something that we've spoken a lot
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: about at the time, and you know it asked that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: very question. But then we've also got a situation where
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: from what I can gather with that review that was
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: done with the minimum unit price, where something that does
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: seem to work is the pali's obviously on those bottle shops.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But then we'd heard from the Police Association earlier this week.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: You know, there was two hundred and seventeen refusals a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: day when that Stronger Futures legislation first ended. So we've
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: now got a situation where there's a lot of people
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: being refused alcohol each and every day in Alice Springs,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: largely because they are already intoxicated being refused alcohol. But
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: then people are starting to question as well if we
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: should still have those palis on bottle shops. Now we're
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a if we're in a situation where as Paul mceew
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: had said on Monday on the show, where they've only
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: got fifteen of them. As I understand it, Martin Dole,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the Assistant Commissioner, had told me yesterday that that number
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was higher in the twenties, I think, But they're funded
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: for forty one or forty two in Alice Springs. We're
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: not at that rate at the moment. So in some
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: cases constables are then doing that job. Shouldn't those constables
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: be out walking the streets and you know, and doing
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: those patrols that people are calling for the.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Police to do. Well, the labor gum and dropping the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: ball here. We know that there should be about forty
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: or fifty of those palies. We know they do a
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: great job right through from Catherine Tenant Creek and our
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of springs and our springs is out of control at
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the moment. And I remember other listen to the radio
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: where ka Warden says the first time if you' seens
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: public drinking, well, I can take you one kilometer from
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: here and right now at nine point thirty and I
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: reckon I could find you some public drinking in an
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: open space. So it just really shows that the labor
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: government had dropped the ball and these palis should be
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: on the doing the body stop and the constable should
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: be able to walk in the streets. So instead, because
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the government can't feel these positions that the constables are
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: in there doing on the bottle shop are not out
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: there being a visually walking up and down the streets.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Because holdimately, in my view, if to stop a crime,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you need to get caught, and if you're going to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: know you're going to get caught, that'll stop you doing it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And if you see police walking up and around and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: doing their job and doing this, and they do a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: great job, they're under some very very difficult circumstances, and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I really support the police. That Don't get me wrong.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the police don't do a good job.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: They do a great job. What I'm saying is the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: labor government have dropped the ball on this whole alcohol
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: situation through the territory, and alcohol and any social behavior
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: is going through the roof. It's affecting businesses, it's affecting tourism,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and enough's enough, and it's just not good enough.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't know, you know, no matter how you
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: look at it, I think at this point in time,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we all understand that we've got some really serious issues
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that antisocial behavior, public drunkenness. You know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that two kilometer rule gets floated all the time. One
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of the things that I also wondered with the with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: this review is, you know, has it looked at things
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: like if it's no longer an offense? And I know
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the governments it pains to say that it is still
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: an offense to drink within a two kilometer area of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: a you know, of a takeaway liquor outlet. But the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: thing is it's now treated as a medical issue rather
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: than a criminal issue. So things like that being looked
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: at as well. And I think that you know, at
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, you can sort of make
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: statistics work for you, however you need them to work
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: for you, and however you spin them. But right now,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the public is saying, well, hang on a second,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we don't actually think this is working.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you should scrap everything. I certainly
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. I do think that you've
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: got to, you know, you've got to take a really
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sort of methodical approach and find out what he is
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: working and what isn't working. But I do think that
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: if we're saying that the minimum unit price is working
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and that's why we're going to keep it in place,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and it's doing this, that and the other, well is
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the BDR working and are those other measures working?
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: That's what I don't understand. You put that to the government,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: why not review the BDR, which you know was brought
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: back in once they came back into power. They've just
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: updated the technology and by all accounts, businesses are very
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: happy with that. But why not make it better that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: police can access that real time data or other businesses
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: can access if someone else on the BDR has tried
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: to act like buy it from one venue because they
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: just move around and get it from where they can. Like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: there's just deems deficiencies with it that could make it better,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: So why not review it and do that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: It's a really good point, Kathleen.
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: And as the Minister for Corporate and Digital Development, it
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: was my department that created the software and rolled out
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: those iPads, which has been going over really well. You know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: we do listen to the retailers, we listen to the
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: licensees about the issues. We look at how we can
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: have the best performing systems that meet up with you know,
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: that keep up with the needs of the territory and
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: so continuing to look at and hearing that feedback about
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: how we can make it better is absolutely critical. But
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: I just want to go back to what Jared was
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: saying as well, Katie, like, our police do an amazing job,
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: and so do our palies, but we do have we
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: can't just pull police out of the air. They do
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: an incredible job, especially out in my electorate, and I
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: know that they're really under the pump and they really
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: are doing an incredible job. But what happens is they're
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: often called out to lower level incidents of antisocial behavior
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: where people allowed and they're arguing with one another, so
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: it's not a crime. So we need to find a way,
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: which is what we're tackling, is how we can get
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: our police to best serve us and look after the
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: community and keep themselves safe in the best manner. So
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: going out to anti social behavior incidents is not always
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: helpful and they're not required with their expertise and their training.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: And that's why I pushed really hard to work with
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: Neptune Anti to roll out the Public Order Response Unit.
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: How can we get a local security patrol as a
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: bit of a pilot to see if we could help
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: make a difference so that police are freed up from
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: the menial arguments and they.
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: Could go out and respond to crime and the car
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: accidents that you just mean.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Do you reckon?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Though then there's if that's the case in a place
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like Karama, should we be looking at doing something like
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that in a place like Alice Springs where things are
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: ass a really difficult point.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Right now, right across the teritory, we're a crime and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: social behavior no matter where you go, and it's affecting businesses,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: it's affecting territorians, and it's enough's enough.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: And some are like Alice Springs and the Tenant Creeks
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: that they're they're hit the worst, the worst of all
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: of the turritory from what I read, from what I
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: talk to people about, and from what I see, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: as I've said before, I think on this show, they
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: really need to have First of all, I've got to
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: admit there's a problem in other springs and the government
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: is not doing that. You can't address the problem unless
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: you admit that you have a problem. So they're not
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: admitting there's a problem in Olla Springs when clearly there is,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: and yes it's not the whole town's going crazy and gratuitously,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: you know, wrecking things and being violent. There's there's They
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: know who they are. They're big groups of families or
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: relationships or friends or whatever from within the town or
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: from with the communities.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Or of both.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: So they actually know that locals know who the whole
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: groups are. So they need to address the problem that
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: you've got a problem, and whether it needs to have
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: a curfew in place where it needs to have a
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: state of emergency, which is at the top, and then
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: come down. Because I can recall palm Island was in
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: a bad situation a few years back and the Queensland
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: government declared a state of emergency and from there they
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: tackle the problems and got it sorted out and resolved.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: So unless this government admits we have a problem with
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Alice Springs and possibly Tenant Creek or let's just say
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Central Australia, that won't be a better way to do it,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: then they're not going to move forward.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: It's not going to move forward. What do you reckon?
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: I think what's really important Katie is looking at local
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: solutions to local problems. So from Instagram, I can't speak
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: on behalf of every resident, absolutely.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And I do have.
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: I'm always looking out for the well being of everybody
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: right across the territory, which is my cabinet minister responsibility.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: It's actually my duty as a human being, let alone
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: as a politician. But I'm not the expert. I don't
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: live on the ground in Alice Springs. I live on
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: the ground in Karama. I've grown up in malayc That's
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: been my community for the better part of you know
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: and a half three decades. So looking at what's happening
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: there and then looking at those localized solutions. So I
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: encourage everybody if you have good ideas about what you
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: think could work in the area, that's exactly what we're
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: looking for.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That's what And you've had powerfuls you know, the last
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: six years in a row and basically seventy of the
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: last twenty. Is how long is it going to take
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you to fix the problem? It seems to be getting worse,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: not better.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: And at the moment we have got a situation. Obviously,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: we spoke last week about the Central Australian Tourism Body
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: you know, basically saying that things are they need control
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: taken right now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: In Alice Springs, we also, though even this week, had
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the Chamber of Commerce come out in a blast to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: all of their you know, to all of their stakeholders,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: saying that it is obvious to all of us based
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: in the territory that crime rates, particularly in Central Australia
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and the Barkley region, are running at crisis levels, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that many of these acts are committed by children who
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: are roaming the streets without any form of parental control.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: The reality is that many of the children are at
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: risk of violence, abuse or accidental harm in the absence
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of a functioning family environment. So just to take me
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: through a couple of the you know, a couple of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the comments from businesses, So one of them was crime
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and anti social behavior have taken a huge financial and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: emotional toll on my business. This year, I've had to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: spend one hundred and seventy thousand dollars on upgraded fencing,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: repairing broken windows, and employing extra security. In addition, there's
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a drop in return business caused by safety fears of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: my clientele. My staff face abuse assaults causing mental anguish,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and this includes my security guards who are also often
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the victim. Another one in Alice Springs said, as a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: business owner in Alice Springs, I'm deeply concerned about the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: impact the ongoing crime and anti social behavior is having
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: on my business and to be honest, the future of
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: my business. It has most certainly escalated in the last
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: eighteen months. So obviously this impact affects my ability to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: earn any ongoing few income, thus affecting my family and employees.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Now that's on top of.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: You know, Daniel Rochford saying to us that there are
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: people going to bed at night in Alice Springs who
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: are scared of what is going to happen, like I
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess I've tried, you know, being really
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bluntly honest about it on air. You try being really
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you know, really kind of measured about it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: But I just don't know how to sort of Yeah, it's.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: A labor government just ignoring the problem. They've got, like
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Keys said, they've got to admit the problem and then
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: fix it. And at the moment the government seem to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: set these policies and forget about it and think, well
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that's it. We've done the best we can. And the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: minister said asking for you know, people's come with what
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: can we do to help? Well, the government is the government.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: They've got the leaders, they've got the experts, they've got
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the power to make the changes. They've got to do
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: something about it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: You know, when we keep hearing it's really complex and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: there is so many complexities, Well how about we just
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: knock it back down a peek and make it really
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: easy for everybody to understand.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: We've got to sort this out. We have to sort
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it out urgently.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, if like and for the government, if it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: not going to be something that they listened to, you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: based on what normal humans are saying and the way
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that it's impacting them, it's gonna have an impact on
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you at the next election.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing is, I was really intrigued by what
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Nari said that it's a pilot program. There's security in Karama.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that that was a pilot program because
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you look at you hear from
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Shelley Zacholi Ida, she's having to pay for her own security.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: And the situation in your electric NRI is that they're
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: getting government funding towards that. And then in our Springs
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: we've got the issue. The optics isn't great given that
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you're in cabinet in Zacoli, it's Lea Finocchiaro's Electric Ala
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Springs is primarily a CLP opposition aside from Robin and
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: obviously Chancy.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So it doesn't look good. No.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Yes, So I've been working with gene NT since they
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: took over the contract at Karama Shopping Plaza I think
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: February last year, so about eighteen months. Within about four
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: weeks they'd had experienced a number of serious incidents in
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: relation to bad behavior at the shops, and we sat
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: down from the get go and said, how do we
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: work together to try and make things safer for the community,
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: for the shopping center, for the wider community.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: They've been sooling out for something to happen, absolutely, which
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: is great that there is something happening there because we
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: had done many, many stories absolutely from Karama and Malac
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: residents crying out for something. But just the fact that
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: it's been very much just focused on that electorate rather
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: than a broader territory approach because we've got this massive process.
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: So we put a pilot and I'm glad to see
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: that it's extended for another thirteen expected to.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Be promoted as a pilot that's going to then potentially be.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Rolled out.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: For another three months.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So are we expecting the Northern Territory government to come out,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know, with some kind of action, I don't know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: sometime soon, particularly four hour springs.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Well I can say one thing, are they.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Let's hear if they are going to? Are you going to?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Is there going to be something coming out soon?
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: So again, the.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Minister Warden will be out later today, I understand the
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: Chief Minister will be out either today or I think
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: maybe tomorrow, And.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: That would be a question best directed there.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: But what I can guarantee you, is that we continue
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: to look at every community, all of the issues right
• 33:08
  Speaker 8: across the territory.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: We do hear the stories and they are appalling, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: we are looking at.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: Not just quick fixes where people are held to account,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: but it's also how do we help to prevent the
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: next generation from becoming exactly what we're dealing with today.
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: So we need to look at this holistically. We need
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: to look across generations. We're not looking for a quick fix.
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: We're looking for real, long term solutions. And unfortunately, sometimes
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: a lot of the stuff that we're doing, it does.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: It takes a transition. It takes a bit of time
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: because we want to get this right and we want
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: to make sure that tomorrow and every day going forward
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: is going to be better, not just for some territories
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: but for every single person.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Or when you say it takes a bit of time,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: how long do you need? You've had six years that
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: this government itself's been in power, and then before, like
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I said, there was SELB for four years and then
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: there was like government for eleven years. Yeah, there's almost
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: you know, these us we're talking about now, these juveniles,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: they weren't even born when the government came into power originally,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: so you've been in controls how long? How long did
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you take territories? Are sick of the and social behavior
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and so it needs to be done or simply back
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: at two kal we.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Are gonna have to take a very short break. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh for nine. It is
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: indeed Camp Quality Radio Auction Day. But there is so
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: much to discuss, as of course throughout this week, there's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: so much going on. Kizy is having a big yawn.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: There we are. You're listening to Mix one for nine.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Getting ready?
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a bit of a break.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Actually I did get a message just a moment ago.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: My husband said that he'll bid seven hundred dollars to go.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: We'll take a very short break. You are listening to
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Mix one oh for nine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Just to keep you up to date with the Camp
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Quality Radio Auction if you've just joined us this morning,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Jared Mayley has up for bid a half day pig
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: hunting will Hunt extravaganza that's currently sitting at seven hundred
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: dollars with my husband. So if anybody else wants to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: place a bit eight nine one O four nine and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: then Ksi Epuric has got a cubic.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Meter, given me of organic, manure free, gluten free and friendly.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Listen to us just basically, you know, I don't know
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: what you've been season here absolutely sitting at a very
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: measly fifty dollars. I mean, Adrian, we appreciate that fifty dollars,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: but I think we can go better.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Adrian, you'll only get a spadeful.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Look, I do want to talk about the pay freeze.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Unions have loaded the government's wage freeze backflip as a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: win for workers, but have worn that a two percent
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: increase is just a starting point. Now we know that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that the government made this announcement earlier in the week,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: backflipping on the on the previous pay freeze. Now, I
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: did interview the Chief Minister yesterday. She couldn't tell me
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: exactly how much it was going to cost or where
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that money was to be found, because she'd previously said
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that you know that they were sort of working towards
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: there being some changes with that pay freeze, but that
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: there would need to be savings measures. So we don't
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: know exactly where those measures are going to be.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Found at this point.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's hoping obviously that the economy will be
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: diversified and it will end up with more money coming
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: into the territory. But at this point in time, it
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be a huge cost. However, I think
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: we're in a situation with the cost of living on
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the rise. The concern that we're going to lose good
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: public servants to interstate teachers, you know, nurses, police officers
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to other states was a real worry.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So I think in this instance they had to do it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, unions really had the government by the balls,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: didn't so many so many public servants negotiations and then
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I mean this week we saw the Police Association also
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: come out and add their voice to it. So there
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: was really no other way that the government exactly. But
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I mean they're also still up for a very big fight.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: This is definitely hasn't been totally cleaned up by the
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Chief Minister the year have committed to fighting fighting hard
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: on a minimum of four percent, with many wanting six.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Well, just on that, Kadie Darn CPI increased by two
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: point one percent in the Dune quarter for this year.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Darn recorded the highest quarterly increase of all capital cities.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: So our CPO is high it's going higher, which is
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: attached obviously to.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: The cost of living.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: So if the government's offering two percent, that's not even
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: going to do anything.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Let's schedule. Let's go back to why we's got put
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: in place. It's got put in place because the government
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: couldn't afford to pay it, right, because they've spent you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: nine billion dollars a day and on one waste on
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: playground and all that sort of stuff. So there's a
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: lot of government waste. We've got water bottles, we've got
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the grand stand, there's a lot of money in government waste.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So that's what good I put in place. And now
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: they're going to a massive backflip and they're going to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: now pay that. So what's going to be cut? And
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: maybe minutes you can ask it, what are you going
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: to cut? Because at the last budget, the government's only
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: raining measure was to they said they have to save
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: or cut seven hundred and forty nine million dollars out
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: of the budget and go back to canbu with their
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: cap out saying give us more GST. That's how they're
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: going to put their budget back into into the to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the black. So ultimately that we know now could their
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: own budget, say they've got to cut seven hundred and
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: forty nine million, what's going to be cut and how
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: are you going to pay for this?
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: So the landscape has changed over the last couple of years.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: We've just heard about you mentioned about the CPI.
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: We're talking about, you know, the changes and the impacts
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: on territorians and it's more expensive to live here and
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: to work here and to conduct your everyday business, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: so this has been a change to our wages policy.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: We do value every single public servant and the amazing
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: work that they carry out for the wider territory, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: it's really important to ensure that we work very diligently
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: with them. This is a negotiation. The EBAs are up.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: We have had some of the public servants choose to
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: agree to the EBA, and we've had other ongoing conversations
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: which is a part of the ongoing EBA negotiation process.
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: But two percent is the starting point and you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: really looking forward to continuing those conversations with those other
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: areas about how we can reach that result.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: But our goal as government.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: Is to always work our way towards returning to a
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: surplus in the medium term, and we will continue to
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: do that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: But it's all about balance.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: But I mean the general Public service, who did agree
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: to the EBA is now going back to the negotiating
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: table because this is a better offer now being put up.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: So basically we're well back back to where we're started.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And what about Moody, They'll say, the concerned about losing
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: our credit rating, there's that concern gone. Now what's happened
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: about that? Because you know, that's another big issue that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: needs to be considered because ultimately, by situation and practice,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: got worse our debts going up. We overspend about a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: billion dollars a year, or the labor government over spend
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: about a billion dollars a year. So you know, three
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: three words cut, cut, cut.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Well in the right situation though where I think you
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: know they were going to have to do this, I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: mean fundamentally, the cost of every things going up, you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the cost of living astronomical at the moment. We really
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't have a situation where, you know, here in the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Northern Territory we've got our teachers getting paid less than
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: every other state and then hoping that they would stay
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: or hoping that they'd you know, come back next year.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that it is, you know, you fundamentally
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you want to be retaining those frontline staff rather than
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: then trying to recruit new ones. I would think more
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: ex recruit absolutely, But you know, the point that's being
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: made is is well and truly a good one. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: it wasn't lost on me yesterday when I was speaking
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to the Chief Minister, and that is that, you know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we've got to find this money somewhere. I did ask
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: if there would be a review into the consultants that
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: we currently use throughout the Northern Territory Public Service, whether
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: there would also be a review into the executive level
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: public service, whether there would also be a cap on
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the number of public servants that we've got, because let's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: be honest, the public service has continued to grow despite
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that the population isn't and I think that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: their sort of areas that we could potentially be looking
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: into without having to make, you know, without having to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: make enormous cuts.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Well, we know that cap has never worked in their place,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: that just keeps getting increased.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to take a really short break.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: We're fast heading towards ten o'clock. There's plenty of people
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: out there listening who are keen to bid as well.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I know when it comes to the cap quality radio auction.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So if you do want to have a crack at
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the half day pig hunt with the meilies, or if
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you'd like to get your hands on some keasiers organic
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: manure friendly, this is.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: The place to do it. Eight nine four one one
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: o four nine.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Will take a very short break you are listening to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: mix one oh four nine.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I do just want to take your cross as well.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: To a statement which has literally just been released by
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association, they say they want to
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: see liquorse liquor licensees taking more responsibility for the safety
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and security of their premises following a spike in public
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: drunkenness and anti social behavior at takeaway liquor out let's,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: particularly in Central Australia. The Northern Territory Police Association President
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Paul McHugh said the end of stronger futures has seen
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: widespread access to alcohol right across the territory and they
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: are saying let's put the owners back on business owners
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: who are selling the alcohol in our community to provide
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: their own security. So they want palis well, they want
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: them taken off those bottle shops and they want to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: see them out there. So they're saying, why can't the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: seventy five police auxiliary liquor inspector positions within the NMT
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: pole transition to constable roles to address the staggering levels
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of domestic violence and alcohol fueled harm. So a big
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: call there by the Northern Territory Police Association, but one
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: which they are obviously making this morning.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: It sure is a big call.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: And I have mixed views on putting owners and putting
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: it back on the bottle shops and the business person
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the business is selling a legal product, a legitimate product,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: and running a legitimate business is the same going to apply.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: Are we going to start to see put onnuses back
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: on shops to make sure that cigarettes are only sold
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: to adult people or vaping things sold to adult people?
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: I accept, and I feel the frustration with the Police Association,
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: and I don't necessarily agree with Palis on bottle shops,
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: but I find it interesting that the person who or
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: the business that sells alcohol has to go to the
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: length of having their own private security to monitor who
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: comes in or who doesn't come in to buy that
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: particular product. It's a tricky when I get that, but
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: I don't believe it should ultimately be passed back to
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: the person who's selling legal product.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It seems to be responsibility of the government.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's that's what the industry would say,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: that the actual issue needs to be targeted rather than
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: trying to deal with the end result of it. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: mean with pin lizing the business daily ram raids down
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: and Alice Springs and some businesses have had to put
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: enormous concrete blocks out the front of their businesses to
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: prevent those cars running through the roller doors, which they
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: then can't increase security because it's the only entry or exit,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: which is the laws and stafflank.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, alcohol is a problem, y, So we need to
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: make sure that this government does something about that because
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: it affects people. You know, if you mentioned being in
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a family where that alcohol is a problem and there's
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: family violence and there's no money, because it just must
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: be a terrible, terrible situation and the government need to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: do something about it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Well, Look, we will continue, no doubt to talk about
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: this issue, and I will be joined by Paul mch
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: hopefully from the Police Association on the show on Monday,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: because for the rest of the morning, right right, for
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the rest of the day across Mix one oh four
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: nine and Hot one hundred. Well, the radio stations are
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: being turned upside down down for the camp Quality radio auction.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Thank you Wall so much for being here this morning.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, as it currently sits, that half day pig
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: hunt one hundred dollars right now, Come.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: On, people with a lot more than it'd be a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: good afternoon.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: We've got a couple of grand last year.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be a good afternoon. It would be a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Narri you were saying before you wouldn't mind some geese.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: What do you reckon?
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: So sorry, Jerry. Anybody wants to offer me some please
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: contact me.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I'll take them.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: You'll take those out there and people hunting them.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: There is well Jereed mainly, thanks so much for that
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: donation and thanks for your time this morning.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: No doubt that is going to go higher. I reckon,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, thanks so much for your
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: time this morning. You're Kesier Puric. Thank you for your
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: manure donation. Organic When you're I tell you wash If
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you're even friendly yep. And if you're out there doing
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: your garden, you know it. Maybe you're somebody who's looking
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to get your garden organized before the wet season really
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: kicks in.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Well, if they're trying to build up vegetable or herb beds,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: you know, okay, not a lot of things from ground,
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: but this is the perfect stuff to put there. Then
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: you do a bit of mulching. And if people can't,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: they don't on a whole trailer load. Well, I'm happy
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: to do do a halfy Well, no I'll do I'll
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: just fill up some old feedbags took feedbacks, you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: So that's on off Adrian, you'll get half unless you
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: go higher than high the fifty bucks.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Naria oh Kezi Peric, thank you so much for your
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: donation and your time this morning. And Nariak, thank you
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning. It is greatly appreciated.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, thanks everyone, Thank you,