Latest / Normally / Normally Podcast: Crime, Justice, and the New Face of Socialism

Transcript

Normally Podcast: Crime, Justice, and the New Face of Socialism · Normally

0:02
Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back normally the show What Normalist
0:05
Speaker 1: Takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary
0:07
Speaker 1: Catherine hamp and.
0:08
Speaker 2: I am Karl Marcowitz. How are you, Mary, Katherine.
0:11
Speaker 1: I'm all right, you know, just getting into the week.
0:15
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, my fifteen year old says, I guess
0:17
Speaker 2: this must be a thing. But she says, you know,
0:19
Speaker 2: existing in the context.
0:22
Speaker 1: I like that.
0:22
Speaker 2: I think I think this might be what the kids say. Now,
0:25
Speaker 2: so I'm going to steal it.
0:27
Speaker 1: I like to pretend I'm a kid sometimes same same.
0:31
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we have some sad news to start
0:33
Speaker 1: off the week with from my home state of North Carolina.
0:36
Speaker 1: In the city of Charlotte, a young woman, a Ukrainian refugee,
0:41
Speaker 1: Arena Zutska Zutzka, in her twenties, was stabbed in late
0:47
Speaker 1: August to death on a light rail train in the
0:51
Speaker 1: city of Charlotte. A surveillance video of this from the
0:56
Speaker 1: official light rail system was of an released. I have
1:01
Speaker 1: seen the censored version. Beware out there of that video.
1:05
Speaker 1: It is graphic and even if you see the censored version,
1:08
Speaker 1: it's graphic and scary. She was stabbed unprovoked by a
1:13
Speaker 1: man named de Carlos Brown sitting behind her on the train,
1:16
Speaker 1: who out of nowhere decides to do this. I have
1:19
Speaker 1: read up on him. He apparently has a schizophrenia diagnosis
1:22
Speaker 1: of a rap sheet of fourteen arrests, many of them violent,
1:28
Speaker 1: and yet was not in serving any time or in
1:32
Speaker 1: any treatment. And this went viral. The video went viral
1:38
Speaker 1: about a week and a half after the murder.
1:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, the thing is that the story
1:45
Speaker 2: of this horrible incident, this horrible murder, is quickly becoming
1:51
Speaker 2: why are Republican's pouncing on this?
1:54
Speaker 1: And I don't find that.
1:55
Speaker 2: I mean, look, apart from the usual, it's obnoxious that
2:00
Speaker 2: Republicans can ever be concerned about anything. We're always pouncing
2:03
Speaker 2: or seizing or you know, grabbing the issue or whatever.
2:06
Speaker 2: But like the idea of like, why do you care
2:09
Speaker 2: about this crime where a man at random butcher's a
2:12
Speaker 2: woman to death on public transportation, It's because we could
2:16
Speaker 2: that could be any one of us, And that sense,
2:19
Speaker 2: that's why we're much more concerned about this than we
2:22
Speaker 2: are about gang crime in Chicago, which we're also concerned about,
2:26
Speaker 2: but just on a different level. And the thing is,
2:28
Speaker 2: I'm not in a gang so I don't think I'm
2:30
Speaker 2: going to get mixed up in the gang crime, although
2:33
Speaker 2: innocent people do sometimes get mixed up. But to be
2:36
Speaker 2: on public transport and have somebody behind me slaughter me
2:41
Speaker 2: to death while I'm on my phone, I couldn't watch
2:43
Speaker 2: the video. I don't sleep already. I can't add anything
2:46
Speaker 2: to that. With the picture of him kind of lunging
2:49
Speaker 2: at her and she's just looking at her phone and
2:53
Speaker 2: she's doing exactly what I would be doing, what you
2:55
Speaker 2: would be doing, that's terrifying, and of course it shakes
2:59
Speaker 2: us to her and I don't understand this insane idea
3:03
Speaker 2: that it shouldn't.
3:05
Speaker 1: Well, Axios just to characterize this kind of coverage really
3:09
Speaker 1: really went to the mats today with stabbing video fuels
3:14
Speaker 1: maga's crime message. Many people, including this report but also
3:22
Speaker 1: politicians in North Carolina are reacting as if, once again
3:25
Speaker 1: the video is the problem. Yeah, I am begging Democrat
3:30
Speaker 1: mayors to get angry or angrier about murders than they
3:34
Speaker 1: are about people noticing murders. So the intro to this
3:39
Speaker 1: Axios piece, the lead is MAGA influencers are drawing repeated
3:43
Speaker 1: attention to violent attacks to elevate the issue of urban
3:45
Speaker 1: crime and accuse mainstream media of undercovering shocking cases. Shocking
3:50
Speaker 1: video the fatal August twenty second knife attack on twenty
3:53
Speaker 1: three year old Arena Zarutska on a light rail car
3:55
Speaker 1: in Charlotte, North Carolina dominated weekend conversation on Trump friendly
3:59
Speaker 1: social Here's the thing. Why did it dominate conversation in
4:04
Speaker 1: only center. It's because it didn't get any coverage elsewhere,
4:10
Speaker 1: and people thought, gee, I think a news story like
4:14
Speaker 1: this with this visual element should be a large news story.
4:21
Speaker 1: It should be part of our national discussion exactly.
4:25
Speaker 2: So the next line of that piece is the big picture.
4:28
Speaker 2: The rising number of surveillance cameras in public spaces, including
4:32
Speaker 2: on Charlotte's light rail, has become a big accelerant in
4:35
Speaker 2: these cases. I think the accelerant is the violent crime.
4:39
Speaker 2: Like that's what's actually causing all the commotion and hoopla
4:43
Speaker 2: around it. It's the fact that a young woman was
4:46
Speaker 2: slaughtered to death on public transportation by somebody who had
4:49
Speaker 2: been arrested fourteen times. And I'm sorry, even if I
4:54
Speaker 2: didn't have the video, I would find this to be
4:57
Speaker 2: just an egregious problem that has grown and really festered
5:04
Speaker 2: in major cities.
5:05
Speaker 1: Well, and they just missed the point so egregiously. Vy Lyles,
5:12
Speaker 1: who is the Democratic mayor of Charlotte, released her first
5:15
Speaker 1: statement this week Tuesday. This is local reporting. Lyles did
5:21
Speaker 1: not mention the victim by name or discuss any specific
5:24
Speaker 1: measures this Charlotte area transit system or police are taking
5:27
Speaker 1: to address safety on public transit. She focused on the
5:30
Speaker 1: suspect and urged others not to demonize homeless people. This
5:34
Speaker 1: is the same reversal of victim and offender as the
5:39
Speaker 1: Annunciation shooting, where lefties immediately go ye to defending the
5:47
Speaker 1: identity of the person who just murdered people exactly and
5:53
Speaker 1: focusing compassion and sympathy and empathy on that group, not
5:59
Speaker 1: on the poor woman who was slaughtered on a train.
6:04
Speaker 1: It is so warped to me that this would be
6:08
Speaker 1: your go to, and yet it is now their go to.
6:11
Speaker 1: It's really to just take the victim class, yeah, offender's class,
6:15
Speaker 1: and decide take to the streets on behalf of this. Yeah.
6:19
Speaker 2: And it really did make me think, and I know
6:21
Speaker 2: a lot of people's minds went there as well, about
6:24
Speaker 2: how lucky the people on the New York City subway
6:27
Speaker 2: were to have Daniel Penny there. Daniel Penny, of course,
6:30
Speaker 2: was the man who was arrested and ultimately acquitted of
6:34
Speaker 2: choking to death a homeless person on the New York
6:38
Speaker 2: City subway who had been threatening other passengers in the car.
6:42
Speaker 2: We all wish for Daniel Penny. There was another man
6:45
Speaker 2: in the background or the picture that I saw, the
6:47
Speaker 2: still of the murder in Charlotte, And you know, could
6:51
Speaker 2: that person have stepped in, could they have grabbed the guy?
6:54
Speaker 2: Maybe it all happened too fast, We can't possibly know,
6:58
Speaker 2: but we all wish for more annual pennies, Like let's
7:01
Speaker 2: be serious here.
7:02
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why I will never be a woman
7:05
Speaker 1: of the left, because I am convinced that much like
7:11
Speaker 1: the Daniel Penny case, if she had defended herself with
7:15
Speaker 1: deadly force, or if someone had brought deadly force on
7:18
Speaker 1: her behalf, that we would be having a conversation, you know,
7:23
Speaker 1: we would deeply unfair to her and her defenders and
7:27
Speaker 1: deeply dishonest about the threat that this person posed. You
7:31
Speaker 1: probably would have had a lot of national coverage with
7:33
Speaker 1: like pictures of the offender, like from middle school in
7:37
Speaker 1: his band.
7:37
Speaker 2: Diosphere, right, of course, no.
7:41
Speaker 1: Mention of the knife that this man has. And I
7:45
Speaker 1: because I watched that play out with Daniel Penny, because
7:48
Speaker 1: I know that the left reviles self defense, I cannot
7:54
Speaker 1: be part of it. It is so backwards to me.
7:58
Speaker 1: And I know that this would be a national story
8:00
Speaker 1: if that man had been killed in defense of this
8:04
Speaker 1: young woman.
8:05
Speaker 2: That's right. I've also saw, Yeah, you're absolutely right. I've
8:09
Speaker 2: also seen on X people saying that the right is
8:13
Speaker 2: really mad about this because it was a black man
8:15
Speaker 2: and a white woman. Guys, like, be serious, nobody cares
8:20
Speaker 2: about their races. I would be just as angry if
8:22
Speaker 2: it was a black woman and a white man. I
8:24
Speaker 2: wouldn't care at all, what the you know, or any
8:26
Speaker 2: other race in there, Like, the race is completely irrelevant here.
8:31
Speaker 2: And the idea that the right is angry about this
8:34
Speaker 2: because it's a white woman, I mean seriously.
8:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing it highlights is the utter hypocrisy
8:43
Speaker 1: of the media, which covers things based upon the whatever
8:47
Speaker 1: their preferred victim class. Right. By the way, I do
8:50
Speaker 1: want to point out when it comes to actual policy,
8:53
Speaker 1: I looked up some unc School of Government, Crime Justice
8:56
Speaker 1: Innovation Lab studies and found that Indeed, Mecklenburg, which is
9:00
Speaker 1: where Charlotte is, has been on the forefront of bail
9:03
Speaker 1: reform in North Carolina, and those reforms as of twenty nineteen,
9:09
Speaker 1: they were associated with lower use of secured bonds, which
9:12
Speaker 1: is cash bail, and a higher rate of release on
9:14
Speaker 1: written promise or unsecured bomb bond, and a higher rate
9:17
Speaker 1: of supervised release. Now this, this study from twenty nineteen
9:21
Speaker 1: goes on to say that good news, it didn't affect
9:24
Speaker 1: crime rates and everybody showed up for their trials. It
9:27
Speaker 1: doesn't update you about twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty
9:31
Speaker 1: twenty three crime levels. Violent crime levels in Mecklenburg County
9:35
Speaker 1: and Charlotte went up, up, up, and even up into
9:39
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, defying the pattern in other cities where
9:42
Speaker 1: it started to tick down after that. People care about
9:47
Speaker 1: this issue. Our friend Alex the Chick says, keep pushing
9:52
Speaker 1: the view that only MAGA cares about a woman being
9:54
Speaker 1: slaughtered on transport, and the result will be people saying,
9:58
Speaker 1: I guess I'm magan now mm hmm.
10:00
Speaker 2: That's a very good way to put it. A lot
10:04
Speaker 2: of people are also saying, perhaps we should go after
10:08
Speaker 2: the judges, you know, there has to be some accountability.
10:11
Speaker 2: Judges who just release criminals back out onto the streets
10:14
Speaker 2: need to be held accountable. I could see that being
10:17
Speaker 2: a Donald Trump, you know issue for the mid terms.
10:21
Speaker 2: I will make sure that judges who do this kind
10:24
Speaker 2: of thing are held accountable or something similar.
10:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I understand the desire, as you know,
10:32
Speaker 1: we always advocate it for during during COVID, like let's
10:35
Speaker 1: be rational about what your statistical probability is of these crimes, right,
10:40
Speaker 1: But as you say, when you keep seeing these random incidents,
10:45
Speaker 1: and yes we do have video of them, and yes,
10:47
Speaker 1: it does make people feel it in a more real way.
10:51
Speaker 2: Because you know what actually happened, there's no question.
10:54
Speaker 1: And despite the despite the mayor's statement that you know,
10:58
Speaker 1: you can't arrest your way out of it, out of this,
11:00
Speaker 1: you could indeed have incarcerated your way out of this
11:02
Speaker 1: sure problem, because the man had been arrested fourteen times,
11:08
Speaker 1: and his mom had tried to get the state to
11:11
Speaker 1: help him with his mental health, and he missed various
11:15
Speaker 1: states for that. Yeah.
11:16
Speaker 2: I just the governor of North Carolina tweeted this morning,
11:21
Speaker 2: and he's been ratioed to just the end of the earth.
11:25
Speaker 2: He tweeted, I'm heartbroken for the family of Dna Zurutska
11:29
Speaker 2: who lost their loved one to this senseless act of violence,
11:31
Speaker 2: and now appalled by the footage of the murder. Okay, great,
11:34
Speaker 2: we need more cops on the beat to keep people safe.
11:36
Speaker 2: That's why my budget calls from more funding to hire
11:39
Speaker 2: more well trained police officers, a call upon the legislature
11:42
Speaker 2: to pass my law Enforcement Recruitment and Retention Package to
11:45
Speaker 2: address vacancies in our state and local agencies so they
11:48
Speaker 2: could stop these horrific crimes and hold violent criminals accountable.
11:51
Speaker 2: And everybody points out the police already did their part
11:55
Speaker 2: of this, that you don't need more police to do this.
11:58
Speaker 2: They arrested him fourteen times. The police work done. Check
12:03
Speaker 2: it's the next guess the keeping from him in jail.
12:06
Speaker 1: Guess what job the current governor had during the time
12:09
Speaker 1: this man was arrested fourteen times. He was attorney general.
12:12
Speaker 1: He was Attorney General and the former governor of North Carolina.
12:16
Speaker 1: Roy Cooper, the Democrat who is running for Senate for
12:19
Speaker 1: Tom Tillis's seat against Michael Wattley, who's former chair of
12:23
Speaker 1: the R and C in North Carolina and also the
12:26
Speaker 1: party at any rate, Michael Wattley, he's running against him.
12:30
Speaker 1: Roy Cooper was governor of North Carolina from twenty eighteen
12:34
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five. That is a bad section of
12:38
Speaker 1: years to have overseen when people care about this kind
12:44
Speaker 1: of issue. It will remain to be seen what becomes
12:47
Speaker 1: of this in the race. There are certainly ads to
12:51
Speaker 1: be made of this, partly because he was a twenty
12:53
Speaker 1: twenty Democratic governor. What do you think he did. He embraced,
12:57
Speaker 1: of course, all of the cash bail reforms. He embraced
13:02
Speaker 1: every blue star panel you could put together that would
13:05
Speaker 1: be easier on criminals because they did sense citizens. They
13:11
Speaker 1: all did this. He's on tape doing it. He is.
13:14
Speaker 1: He's out there awarding panels to people and taking all
13:18
Speaker 1: of their advice happily. And look, these things have consequences.
13:23
Speaker 1: If you get caught up in a moral panic and
13:25
Speaker 1: you don't think about the actual policies.
13:29
Speaker 2: It's not the bouncing, it's the actual government governing.
13:32
Speaker 1: I'm saying the videos the problem guys. Yeah, one quick
13:36
Speaker 1: thing before we leave this segment. So this is an
13:38
Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue that Democrats are getting on the wrong
13:41
Speaker 1: side of like being against crime. Here's one where a
13:46
Speaker 1: left leaning guy got on the right side. Recently, Malcolm Gladwell,
13:49
Speaker 1: very famous author, admitted that on the issue of trans
13:53
Speaker 1: athletes and women's sports, he had been scared out of
13:56
Speaker 1: stating what his actual opinion was. Here's a little clip
13:59
Speaker 1: of him.
14:00
Speaker 3: If we did a replay of that exact panel at
14:03
Speaker 3: the Sloan Conference this coming March, it runs in exactly
14:08
Speaker 3: the opposite direction, and it would be I suspect near
14:13
Speaker 3: unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place
14:18
Speaker 3: in the female category. I don't think this is any question.
14:23
Speaker 3: I just think it was a strange I mean, I felt,
14:26
Speaker 3: I mean I was the reason. I'm ashamed of my
14:29
Speaker 3: performance of that panel, because I share your position one
14:33
Speaker 3: hundred percent, and I was count the idea of saying
14:38
Speaker 3: anything on this issue.
14:40
Speaker 4: I was.
14:42
Speaker 3: A I believe in retrospect in a dishonest way. Was
14:46
Speaker 3: I was objective in a dishonest way.
14:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are piling on him. I like the admission.
14:54
Speaker 2: It is a little galling that Malcolm Gladwell, who had
14:58
Speaker 2: almost nothing to lose, know extremely successful bestseller after bestseller.
15:03
Speaker 2: I've read all of his books. I mean had still
15:09
Speaker 2: was afraid to say what he actually thought. And how
15:11
Speaker 2: about all the people who aren't at Malcolm Gladwell's you know,
15:14
Speaker 2: financial level or success level, or at where they are
15:18
Speaker 2: in their careers and the risks that they're taking speaking out.
15:23
Speaker 2: I appreciate the admission, but.
15:29
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I appreciate the admission, and I
15:31
Speaker 1: want to appreciate it because I want to encourage more
15:34
Speaker 1: people to go down this path and to just say like, yeah,
15:37
Speaker 1: we were in a what were we doing? What were
15:39
Speaker 1: we doing? I do think Malcolm Gladwell would have been
15:42
Speaker 1: in that class of uncancellable people basically where he could
15:47
Speaker 1: have said, no, I think you guys are wrong about this,
15:51
Speaker 1: and look, I think I also want to acknowledge because
15:55
Speaker 1: you and I have felt it during the the years
15:59
Speaker 1: of our insanity from twenty twenty.
16:00
Speaker 2: To twenty twenty two, the crazy years.
16:02
Speaker 1: The crazy years. A lot of people will say about
16:05
Speaker 1: like open school moms, like oh, you guys just were
16:07
Speaker 1: scared of losing your brunch friends and your tennis partners,
16:10
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, I don't, like, we're not going
16:13
Speaker 1: to erase the immense social pressure and consequences and ostracization
16:18
Speaker 1: that came with this kind of thing in twenty twenty
16:22
Speaker 1: through twenty two, twenty two. So he was reacting to
16:24
Speaker 1: a very real thing. Some people say like, oh, he's
16:27
Speaker 1: just a coward, and look, I wish he had spoken up.
16:31
Speaker 1: Many others did with less right, But there was a
16:35
Speaker 1: real force of really disgusting bullying and consequences that came
16:40
Speaker 1: from doing that. So he wasn't reacting to nothing, which
16:42
Speaker 1: is what some people want to say.
16:44
Speaker 2: Right well, So to tie it to our original topic,
16:48
Speaker 2: if you're a Democrat and you think crime is bad,
16:51
Speaker 2: I think you should just say so. You should just
16:52
Speaker 2: say that, not wait, not wait a few years until
16:55
Speaker 2: you know other Democrats are saying crime is bad. So
16:58
Speaker 2: you could add on to.
16:59
Speaker 1: It, you could jump on.
17:00
Speaker 2: Now, we'll be right back to talk about the socialist
17:04
Speaker 2: possible mayor of New York City thinking that millionaires are
17:08
Speaker 2: just going to have to live with his policies. I
17:11
Speaker 2: don't think. So we'll be right back with more on normally.
17:17
Speaker 1: Our guy, Mom, Donnie, he's back at it. He's doing
17:20
Speaker 1: the interviews, he's talking about all his plans, and he's
17:22
Speaker 1: going to keep the rich people in New York. I
17:23
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this.
17:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's play the clip.
17:26
Speaker 5: You've been running on the platform of affordability, of fixes
17:30
Speaker 5: for New Yorkers like a rent freeze. You mentioned free buses,
17:34
Speaker 5: city on groceries. That made you popular with some working
17:38
Speaker 5: New Yorkers, but not so popular with real estate developers
17:41
Speaker 5: at the financial class. You were the only mayoral candidate
17:46
Speaker 5: to march alongside Martin Luther King the third and nine
17:49
Speaker 5: on our March on Wall Street about DEI on last week,
17:52
Speaker 5: as we call economic justice for all New Yorkers and
17:55
Speaker 5: all Americans. But right now, the top one percent is
18:00
Speaker 5: in the city pay forty percent of the city's income
18:04
Speaker 5: taxes according to the Empire Center for Public Policy. How
18:08
Speaker 5: do you bring these wealthy residents to the table as
18:11
Speaker 5: mayor stop them from saying they're leaving, gone to Florida,
18:15
Speaker 5: Because we need that tax revenue to pay for some
18:18
Speaker 5: of the things you're talking about. How do you pay
18:20
Speaker 5: for it if they're gone?
18:21
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing I have to say is I
18:23
Speaker 4: was proud to be the only candidate for mayor at
18:25
Speaker 4: that march. And I was proud because some of the
18:29
Speaker 4: chants at that march, they were asking, is the dream alive?
18:32
Speaker 4: Is Doctor King's dream still alive? And he asked the
18:35
Speaker 4: question decades ago, what good is having the right to
18:38
Speaker 4: sit at a lunch counter if you can't afford to
18:39
Speaker 4: buy a hamburger. That's a question that New Yorkers are
18:42
Speaker 4: still wrestling with today in twenty twenty five. And so
18:46
Speaker 4: what I have put forward is a vision to make
18:48
Speaker 4: the most expensive city in the United States of America
18:50
Speaker 4: affordable at a time. And we have the wealthiest city.
18:54
Speaker 4: It is also one where one and four are living
18:55
Speaker 4: in poverty. And to your point, we have a number
18:59
Speaker 4: of New Yorkers who are doing quite well. The top
19:02
Speaker 4: one percent of New York City earns a million dollars
19:04
Speaker 4: or more a year. And my vision is not one
19:07
Speaker 4: where they leave, it is one where they stay. It
19:09
Speaker 4: is one good mist in part by showing them that
19:12
Speaker 4: asking them to pay more in taxes would increase even
19:15
Speaker 4: their quality of life. Because when you ask New Yorkers
19:18
Speaker 4: what is it that is making them feel uneasy in
19:20
Speaker 4: this city, you often hear from them about the cleanliness
19:24
Speaker 4: of our city, the safety of our city, the affordability
19:26
Speaker 4: of our city. We are not asking to raise these
19:28
Speaker 4: taxes for the sake of it. We're asking so that
19:30
Speaker 4: we can actually make the slowest buses in the country
19:33
Speaker 4: fast and free, so that we can actually create a
19:35
Speaker 4: Department of Community Safety that would deploy dedicated teams of
19:40
Speaker 4: mental health outreach workers to the top one hundred stations
19:42
Speaker 4: of the highest levels of mental health crises and homelessness.
19:45
Speaker 2: It's just such coore, solid nonsense. You know, I didn't
19:49
Speaker 2: know that it was Al Sharpton who interviewed him, because
19:51
Speaker 2: I only I had read the response. But now hearing Sharpton,
19:55
Speaker 2: it's like two hucksters talking to each other. I mean,
19:58
Speaker 2: Sharpton says things like the financial class, What does that
20:01
Speaker 2: even mean? What is the financial class? Sharpen? Is the
20:03
Speaker 2: financial class? Like it's I will tell you that I
20:09
Speaker 2: have had a lot of friends call me and say
20:12
Speaker 2: we are now thinking of getting out from New York
20:15
Speaker 2: and some of those friends we can't.
20:17
Speaker 1: We can't carol some of those friends.
20:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're going to be done.
20:23
Speaker 1: Have they not gotten the memo about Mom Donnie's vision
20:26
Speaker 1: which includes them and their money?
20:28
Speaker 2: And they're fast and free buses Like I'm I think
20:31
Speaker 2: I feel like also, the it's either going to be
20:33
Speaker 2: fast or it's going to be free. It's not going
20:35
Speaker 2: to be both.
20:36
Speaker 1: So it's the idea that their quality of life will
20:40
Speaker 1: go up by having more of their money taken by
20:43
Speaker 1: this guy who has no experience running, no idea what
20:45
Speaker 1: he's doing. Also the combo of like Namby Pamby Office
20:50
Speaker 1: of Community Action instead of police plus free buses, which
20:55
Speaker 1: will inevitably become a housing area for homeless people. We
21:00
Speaker 1: have any number of mental illnesses and violent tendencies. Just
21:05
Speaker 1: combine that with our first segment story. No, it's not
21:09
Speaker 1: a good look. I don't feel good about it. Yeah,
21:12
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like people who have means aren't
21:13
Speaker 1: necessarily going to stick around for it.
21:15
Speaker 5: Yeah.
21:15
Speaker 2: I don't know why they would. And the thing is,
21:16
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people didn't want to abandon
21:19
Speaker 2: New York and they wanted to say, Okay, we're going
21:22
Speaker 2: to stay and rebuild the city after COVID, And now
21:25
Speaker 2: they're like, Wow, I have to get out of here
21:27
Speaker 2: before it's too late. I have to get out of
21:29
Speaker 2: here before this is all just a bigger problem than
21:33
Speaker 2: it's ever been. The guy who wants to rent freeze
21:37
Speaker 2: and the guy who wants government run stores, and the
21:39
Speaker 2: other thing is I don't think he's going to accomplish
21:42
Speaker 2: any of this. I'm concerned about how poorly it will
21:46
Speaker 2: go if he does accomplish it. But I actually don't
21:48
Speaker 2: think he actually gets to the place where it fails,
21:52
Speaker 2: because I don't think it actually ever happens. And then
21:55
Speaker 2: I wonder what he does then. And I have to
21:58
Speaker 2: tell you that a lot of people are thinking he's
22:00
Speaker 2: going to get really into like the Free Palestine movement
22:03
Speaker 2: and make that an important part of New York City politics,
22:07
Speaker 2: because you'll have nothing else. And you know, I think
22:12
Speaker 2: all New Yorkers should be worried. Jewish new Yorkers, it's
22:15
Speaker 2: long past the time to get out.
22:17
Speaker 1: I also just love the entitled nature of all like
22:21
Speaker 1: Champagne socialists that like know, the people who work really
22:24
Speaker 1: hard and make the money will just keep them and
22:27
Speaker 1: their money because reasons, and those people have no agency
22:31
Speaker 1: and somehow they won't do it any different.
22:33
Speaker 2: The people with the most access to leaving will stay.
22:37
Speaker 1: Well. We will be back in a minute with a
22:39
Speaker 1: little bit more on both socialism and gen Z. All right,
22:46
Speaker 1: two quick polls before we're out of here, Carol. Number
22:50
Speaker 1: one a new Gallup poll asking do you have a
22:52
Speaker 1: positive or negative view of socialism. You ready for these
22:54
Speaker 1: democratic numbers, I'm ready sixty six positive thirty negative. It
22:59
Speaker 1: is highest ever in this gallop question. If you fourteen
23:04
Speaker 1: percent approved eighty all right.
23:06
Speaker 2: Republicans hold the whole country together, let's do it.
23:09
Speaker 1: Indy thirty eight to fifty seven.
23:13
Speaker 2: So man, yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I
23:19
Speaker 2: think that we need to hear better arguments of why
23:23
Speaker 2: socialism has failed every single time it has been tried.
23:27
Speaker 2: And I think people need to understand that. You know,
23:30
Speaker 2: a lot of times Bernie Sanders will point to Sweden
23:32
Speaker 2: and say like, oh, I want to be socialists like them,
23:34
Speaker 2: and Sweden had to tell Bernie Sanders stop calling us socialists.
23:37
Speaker 2: We're actually capitalist. So I think people need to hear
23:40
Speaker 2: stories like that to get that that's not what socialism is.
23:44
Speaker 2: Venezuela is what socialism is. Take a good look and
23:47
Speaker 2: wonder if that's what you want to be.
23:49
Speaker 1: I do think capitalism vanquished socialism, at least in the
23:53
Speaker 1: Western world, so thoroughly that too many people forgot like
24:00
Speaker 1: it starts saying the Fido idea again, and then you're like, no, no, no,
24:03
Speaker 1: that's not a Neto idea. It requires the murdering systematically
24:06
Speaker 1: of many, many thousands of people to do it, so
24:09
Speaker 1: maybe not right.
24:10
Speaker 2: I also like, I love all the memes that are like,
24:12
Speaker 2: you know, under socialism, I'll tend my garden. They're like
24:15
Speaker 2: your garden, like our garden.
24:17
Speaker 1: It belongs to all of us. There's just a lot
24:20
Speaker 1: that they're not thinking about there, all right, what's the
24:22
Speaker 1: other pole?
24:23
Speaker 2: The other whole number is how important it is to
24:26
Speaker 2: have kids important to personal definition of success. Women who
24:32
Speaker 2: voted for Harris say six percent it's important to have the.
24:35
Speaker 1: Bottom of their list of things that define success.
24:40
Speaker 2: Young men who voted for Trump thirty four percent. Yeah,
24:44
Speaker 2: that's a lot better. And that's that's at the top
24:46
Speaker 2: of the list of things that are important to their
24:49
Speaker 2: personal definition of success. No matter who my kids vote for,
24:52
Speaker 2: I hope that they put that at the top of
24:54
Speaker 2: their list. That's actually the most important thing to me
24:56
Speaker 2: by far. I think that the rest of it is important,
25:00
Speaker 2: but not as important.
25:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, hands down, best thing I've ever done. So like
25:04
Speaker 1: the idea that it's at the very bottom of the list.
25:09
Speaker 1: And I think it's like, you know, we communicated that
25:11
Speaker 1: it's passe to to get married and have kids. And
25:16
Speaker 1: of course the less reaction to this is going to
25:19
Speaker 1: be like, E, these men wanting to have children. No good,
25:22
Speaker 1: these men wanting to have children, right, but.
25:24
Speaker 2: Of course it's our fault that they don't have children.
25:26
Speaker 2: We've trigged them, the greatest trick we've ever pulled.
25:31
Speaker 1: We tricked them. Yeah, this is going to cause some
25:33
Speaker 1: dating problems in that.
25:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. That's why I think Republicans need
25:37
Speaker 2: to focus more on women. But whenever I say that
25:40
Speaker 2: on X all these people are like, forget those women
25:42
Speaker 2: who care as well men marrying.
25:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta, you know, match them somebody with a
25:48
Speaker 1: daughter and two.
25:48
Speaker 2: Sons, Like I worry about who my sons will married, right,
25:52
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Yeah. Well, thanks for joining us on Normally.
25:55
Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere
25:59
Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. Get in touch with us at
26:02
Speaker 2: normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, and when
26:05
Speaker 2: things get weird at normally