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The O-Zone Podcast | Andrew Wingard Talks About His NFL Journey · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Soon.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast with Jaguars senior writer John Osher.
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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into this week's Ozone podcast from the
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Speaker 2: Grove in London, and I'm joined by I like to
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Speaker 2: say at the top if I really enjoy a guest,
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Speaker 2: and it goes without saying that, I really enjoy always
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Speaker 2: talking to Jaguars safety Andrew Winguard. Thanks for doing this, Bud.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the intro, John, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: How Uh, for some reason, right before we started here,
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Speaker 2: I realized I've never asked you did do we pre
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Speaker 2: date the Jaguars? Have you always been Dewey or did
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Speaker 2: the fans here started? Where did that start?
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Speaker 1: I have?
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Speaker 3: I've been Dewey for about as long as I can live.
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Speaker 3: My dad kind of started it when I was jeez,
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Speaker 3: probably two or three years old. I know, we had
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Speaker 3: a lot of young neighbor kids when we lived in
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Speaker 3: Alice who couldn't say there are ours. I used to
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Speaker 3: be called Drew and somehow got to do. And then
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Speaker 3: when School of Rock came out and Jack Black was
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Speaker 3: Dewey Finn and it's skyrocketed. So the fan of the
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Speaker 3: movie or not, Oh, that is easily me and my
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Speaker 3: Dad's probably favorite movie of all time. We'll watch it
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Speaker 3: at least once a year together, and it's just that
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Speaker 3: that's our For whatever reason, that sort of humor just
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Speaker 3: is us.
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Speaker 2: So is it a movie where do you have to
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Speaker 2: watch it or can you quote it all the way
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Speaker 2: straight through? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I could quote the entire thing straight through easily.
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Speaker 2: Okay, My son and I had that with Remember the Titans. Yep,
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Speaker 2: same deal. Those are cool, cool movies to have with
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Speaker 2: your parents. Year seven. I assume it's hard to believe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: It's crazy, especially in the National Football League undrafted free
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Speaker 3: agent and here I am with the same team for
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Speaker 3: seven years. It's like, Wow, that's crazy. It's it's hard
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Speaker 3: to think that I was able to do that, and
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Speaker 3: it's just a blessing.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: I've come to love Jacksonville, and you know, I'm now
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Speaker 3: to the point where I'm like, dang, I can't see
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Speaker 3: myself anywhere else.
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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of I just you know.
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Speaker 3: I want to stay here as long as possible, and
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Speaker 3: I love that I'm getting this opportunity, and I just
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Speaker 3: I want to win with this team so bad and
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Speaker 3: create a culture and and be around here so I'm
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Speaker 3: just taking it day by day and enjoying it.
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Speaker 2: And I've talked to you before about this, but early
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Speaker 2: on in your career is some fan criticism, no doubt,
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Speaker 2: Now they you know, it's become a fantastic relationship. I guess.
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Speaker 2: Talk about the evolution of that and how cool that's been.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been cool. You know, early on
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Speaker 3: in my career, I'm an undrafted guy thrust into the
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Speaker 3: fire on a team that is not good, right and
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Speaker 3: there I'm out there. I haven't changed a lot as
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Speaker 3: a player.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, I've made mistakes, and the best players in this
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Speaker 3: league make mistakes. And for whatever reason, when I was
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Speaker 3: young and out there, I was someone that people wanted
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Speaker 3: to pile it on and great. You know, God has
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Speaker 3: given me a lot of tests in life, and that
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Speaker 3: was a test for me, cause when I was at Wyoming,
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Speaker 3: you know, everybody loved me, you know, and when when
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Speaker 3: you're a guy that you feel like, oh, no one
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Speaker 3: could ever looked out and look bad at me, and
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Speaker 3: then people, you know, people get on you and you're
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Speaker 3: you're looking at it, you're reading it.
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Speaker 1: There's your first issue. You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you stop reading it, get out of.
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Speaker 3: The streets if you can't take the heat, ay, but
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Speaker 3: be that all that stuff is irrelevant, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean. And then back to the original point, it's
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Speaker 3: like I'm the same player that I was, and being
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Speaker 3: out there, I made some mistakes, but it was like
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Speaker 3: I got better and I got better and I got better,
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Speaker 3: and then finally I stopped buying into that stuff and
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Speaker 3: just played my game. And then I you know, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty two rolls around and it's like, oh, we're on
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Speaker 3: a winning team. The team's doing well in this this
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Speaker 3: wingered guy, he's playing well. I think I like him now.
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Speaker 3: And it's always like you gotta win games too for
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Speaker 3: that stuff. But again, back to the original point, I'd
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Speaker 3: put it away. But when you get that other side
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Speaker 3: of where the fans, you know, it's like it was
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Speaker 3: always the Jags. Dewey, our assistant GM, came out to
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Speaker 3: me the other day and he was like, Hey, when
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Speaker 3: I was sitting up in the box the other day,
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Speaker 3: I saw a ton of forty two jerseys And when
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Speaker 3: he told me that, I just was like, I was like, man,
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Speaker 3: that's just you know, God has been so good to
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Speaker 3: me because I could have been I could have built
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Speaker 3: up a you know, resentment that could have been like,
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Speaker 3: screw you, f you guys, I'm never gonna, you know,
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Speaker 3: buy into fan love ever again. But you know, it
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Speaker 3: feels really good. But at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 3: you win, they're gonna love you. You lose, they're gonna
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Speaker 3: hate you. You just gotta stay ten toes down, accept
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Speaker 3: the love when it's there. And you know, it's super
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Speaker 3: cool to think about from where I came and now
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Speaker 3: her assistant GMC and wing your jerseys at Too Stadium
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Speaker 3: and we're having success.
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Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought of this today, But
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Speaker 2: you came into the league same years as Josh heines out.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever think how different the roads are? Oh
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Speaker 2: he comes in its number seven overall pick. But you're
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Speaker 2: I guess the two most tenured players on defense could
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Speaker 2: smoot left them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually me and Josh talk about that all
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Speaker 3: the time. Like every time me and Josh like give
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Speaker 3: each other a hug, like on game day, we always say,
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Speaker 3: you know, nineteen nineteen, like nineteen boys, and that's kind
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Speaker 3: of our thing, and we always tell people like Josh
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Speaker 3: was the first I was the last. So it's actually
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Speaker 3: it makes me look better than Josh, sure, just because
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Speaker 3: you know, cool, you're the.
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Speaker 1: First pick they wanted you.
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Speaker 3: I was the guy with the five thousand dollars signing
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Speaker 3: bonus and here I am how what it was?
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Speaker 1: So I too my own horn. But it's pretty cool.
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Speaker 3: And to be with a teammate that long, me and
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Speaker 3: Josh have just you know, it's crazy in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: You know, you never expect that you're going to be
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Speaker 3: around people for too long, so it's hard to kind
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Speaker 3: of make, you know, really buying into friendships. But to
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Speaker 3: be around a guy like that, he's now one of
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Speaker 3: my best friends on the team and you know, love
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Speaker 3: that guy, so super cool.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about this year's team. First, I think first
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Speaker 2: real adversity faced the other day. Coming back from that,
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Speaker 2: how do you expect this team to respond?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, you come off a Monday night
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Speaker 3: game that felt like the Super Bowl honestly, So you
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Speaker 3: go into that game three and one, that was a
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Speaker 3: huge game, and that's our first real like, okay, we
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Speaker 3: got a primetime game. We're a front runner in the
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Speaker 3: league right now, so that was huge. And then you
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Speaker 3: get a day less of preparation time, a day less
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Speaker 3: on the body. And then on the flip side, Seattle's
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Speaker 3: coming off a tough loss against Tampa, who's one of
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Speaker 3: the best teams in the league. So going into that game,
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 2: A physical team, yeah, and since coming beat up a
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Speaker 2: little bit.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
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Speaker 3: But then, like I was saying, just the mental side
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Speaker 3: of it, we're coming off a massive win. It's kind
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Speaker 3: of like, Okay, we're four and one. Whoo, they're coming
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Speaker 3: off a bad, you know, a tough loss and they're
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Speaker 3: fired up. So there was definitely that aspect. But that's
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Speaker 3: a good team and now it's our turn to come
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Speaker 3: off a loss and prove that you're a great team.
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Speaker 3: And that's really the key to this week is it's
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Speaker 3: you know, the best teams you don't lose two in
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Speaker 3: a row. You know, you bounce back quick, and the
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Speaker 3: best teams in this league are the most resilient ones.
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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a test of resilience this week.
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Speaker 3: And you know, LA is a really good team, so
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Speaker 3: you never know, and you know what, we might lose
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Speaker 3: two in a row and then guess what, the week
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Speaker 3: after the bye week is our next bounce back. So
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Speaker 3: that's gonna that's gonna be how it is gonna have
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Speaker 3: to be this year. And you know, I talked to
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Speaker 3: Rob Hainsey and he said, you know what, I can't
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Speaker 3: remember exactly the record, but he was like, Hey, we're
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Speaker 3: gonna have to be a long haul team this year.
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Speaker 3: He was like Dewey last year in Tampa we were
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Speaker 3: I believe, like they were like three and one or something.
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Speaker 2: He's under five hundred later than usual.
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Speaker 3: Right, and then they lost like three or four straight,
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Speaker 3: and he's like, Dewey, it could be like that, our
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Speaker 3: most important thing is no panic and we just keep going.
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Speaker 3: We just keep going, We keep going, we keep going,
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Speaker 3: and that's gonna be the key honestly for the whole season.
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Speaker 3: But again, back to this game, like I said, it's
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Speaker 3: just that test of resilience. We got to bounce back.
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Speaker 3: And you know, you can't ever look at a team like, oh,
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Speaker 3: it's the Rams, like you can never pencil in wins,
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Speaker 3: and you especially can't pencil in like a loss in
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Speaker 3: this league, like where you're gonna like, oh, it's gonna
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Speaker 3: have to be this out of body experience, like no,
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Speaker 3: like we're an NFL team, like weekend week out, who cares?
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Speaker 3: So that's kind of the mindset this week.
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Speaker 2: When did you know that this regime was right?
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Speaker 3: I can't really say that I had like a certain moment,
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Speaker 3: but you could just feel it. You know, Camp is young.
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Speaker 3: Camp has been under really good coaches, and you can
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Speaker 3: tell that he has the culture side of it to
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Speaker 3: where your play how he's going to coach your play style.
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Speaker 3: But then he has the x's and O side of it.
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Speaker 3: So the second I heard him start, you know, dialing
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Speaker 3: up x's and O stuff, I was like, Okay, this
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Speaker 3: guy's for real. And then Liam, you can just tell
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Speaker 3: that Liam has thought about being a head coach for
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Speaker 3: a long time. It wasn't just like, you know, he's
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Speaker 3: this good OC and all of a sudden he's on
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Speaker 3: the head coaching carousel and he's like, oh crap, I'm
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Speaker 3: not truly prepared for this. You can tell that he's
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Speaker 3: been thinking about it for a long time, and you
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Speaker 3: can tell that all that thinking has made him prepared
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Speaker 3: for it. He's obviously had a vision for how it's
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Speaker 3: going to go, and I think that's kind of coming
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Speaker 3: to fruition. So those two things, for sure, definitely, as
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Speaker 3: a player, You're like you can feel it, and again
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Speaker 3: you obviously gravitate towards that. And then you look at
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Speaker 3: you know, James and Tony and there's just, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's something about him, some for sure about Tony that's like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: this guy loves Jacksonville. He wants to be here, he
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Speaker 3: knows what it's like to play here. He understands this
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Speaker 3: community and how to like get to the fans. And
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Speaker 3: then James, you can again tell kind of like how
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Speaker 3: it was with Liam, just like it wasn't by chance
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Speaker 3: that he was just like, oh, I'm on the GM carousel.
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Speaker 3: It was like you could obviously tell that he's thought
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Speaker 3: about it, and you know he goes out and makes
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Speaker 3: us splash early with drafting Trav. So there's just been
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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff where you go, these guys are assertive,
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Speaker 3: these guys are aggressive, these guys are.
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Speaker 1: Empty in the clip.
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Speaker 3: So I think that those combinations are really what has
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Speaker 3: you know, fed down to us as players.
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Speaker 2: You've it's always striking to talk to you or listen
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Speaker 2: to you about opportunity. And what I'm getting at is
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Speaker 2: early in the season or an even preseason, I heard
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Speaker 2: you and you were being interviewed. Look, I've always been
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Speaker 2: a star in this league, always thought to myself that way,
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Speaker 2: just han't had the opportunity to do it. That's always
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Speaker 2: been your belief, always been your core belief. How have
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Speaker 2: you stayed with that belief during tough times? And how
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Speaker 2: much does it help you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean how you see yourself and how you
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Speaker 3: decree what you are in your mind? It comes to life.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I was a I was a four
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Speaker 3: year starter at Wyoming. Like, I didn't play special teams,
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Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. I was a scholarship guy, and
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Speaker 3: I was a backup. In my first game and week two,
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Speaker 3: my coach says, hey, you're starting. I started fifty two
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Speaker 3: straight games and had you know, thousands of tackles and
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Speaker 3: had like thirteen picks. So like, I go back even
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Speaker 3: and look at my stat line compared to like guys
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Speaker 3: these days, and I even go watch some of my
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Speaker 3: film And this isn't me tooting my own horn, but
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Speaker 3: it's absolutely it's crazy that I wasn't drafted. And it
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Speaker 3: was crazy. I was just like I just I don't understand.
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Speaker 3: I'd never understood it. Now internally, I now know why
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Speaker 3: I wasn't drafted, and God put me in the absolute
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Speaker 3: right positions and gave me everything I needed to have,
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Speaker 3: all my motivation.
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Speaker 1: But I'm a safety. That's what I do.
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Speaker 3: I play this game, and I play it the right way.
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Speaker 3: And I never lost belief based on what was around me.
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Speaker 3: And so, like you said, when the opportunity has come knocking,
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Speaker 3: I've been able to go do it. And thankfully, you know,
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Speaker 3: as when you're a backup, you have a lot of
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Speaker 3: time to think, and when you can think about things,
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Speaker 3: you know, you build things in your mind. And thankfully
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Speaker 3: I was able to read all these books and educate
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Speaker 3: myself and push myself mentally during all this thinking. So
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Speaker 3: I pushed my thought and then eventually my thought pushed
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Speaker 3: trying to get better in my mind. Physically, it just
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Speaker 3: I got better and better and better. And you know,
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Speaker 3: here I am. A chance has come and I've put
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Speaker 3: myself in a good spot, and I'm never satisfied. That's
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Speaker 3: the beauty of it is. I'm still an undrafted free
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Speaker 3: agent till the day I die, so I'm never gonna
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Speaker 3: be satisfied. I shouldn't say that comfortable. I'm never gonna
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Speaker 3: be comfortable. I'm always and now I'm in that point
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Speaker 3: of where I can't be too hard on myself, you know.
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Speaker 3: You know, looking back on last game, I gave up
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Speaker 3: that play at the end. I was one hundred percent
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Speaker 3: on me and I beautifully in my mind mature wise,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna be better from that.
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Speaker 3: Before my lie, I would I would put myself on
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Speaker 3: the coals here there. I wouldn't be able to get
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Speaker 3: over that, you know. And now it's the point of like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: let's move along the best. And I always, I always
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Speaker 3: love to say like Tom Brady through interceptions, Peyton Manning
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Speaker 3: through interceptions. You know, Jalen Ramsey one of the best
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Speaker 3: corners in the league. He's gonna give up a touchdown
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Speaker 3: every now and again. So you definitely can't hold yourself
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Speaker 3: to too high of a standard, too much of a perfectionist.
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Speaker 3: But again, back to your point, I'm still an undrafted
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Speaker 3: free agent and I'm just gonna take it day by
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Speaker 3: day and get better and better and better and never
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Speaker 3: be satisfied and try to keep it as long as
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Speaker 3: I can.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever pause to reflect on uh, I'll try
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Speaker 2: to use the right language. You've seen some stuff here.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: How much? Uh you know, uh, I guess I'll phrase
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Speaker 2: it like this, How cool is it right now to
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Speaker 2: feel like because it feels more solid than it's ever
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Speaker 2: felt to me? How cool will it be to be
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Speaker 2: part of that of what you sense is happening?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's crazy too, Like I've thought about that,
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Speaker 3: I've thought about that stadium being packed. I've thought about
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Speaker 3: the feeling in the community of when the Jaggs are winning.
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Speaker 3: I've thought about year and year out, this contender, this
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Speaker 3: you know, this top of the line team, and it's
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Speaker 3: sort of you know, it's sort of doing it. But again,
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Speaker 3: I always will always say take it day by day
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Speaker 3: and do not ever think for a second that you've
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Speaker 3: made it, because this league will humble you so fast,
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Speaker 3: and the second you start we're the best and we're
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Speaker 3: going to make the playoffs, boom it hits you.
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: So you just got to go day by day and
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Speaker 3: you got to stay as dilled as you possibly can.
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Speaker 3: So that's kind of what we're trying to do here now.
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us on the team,
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Speaker 3: especially guys from twenty twenty two and twenty three, now
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Speaker 3: understand that to where like, hey, guys, like because you're
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Speaker 3: eight and three does not mean it's just this. You
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Speaker 3: know this walk in because we've been on those teams
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Speaker 3: where late in the year you're playing the front runners
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Speaker 3: and you're the team that's three and ten and you
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Speaker 3: go beat them because they're worried about other things and
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Speaker 3: you guys are just out there playing free because you're
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Speaker 3: not gonna make the playoffs. So there's gonna be challenges
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Speaker 3: this year every single week. And that's the key for
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Speaker 3: us in that locker room is guys who've been through
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Speaker 3: it and guys who have all these lessons. And I
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Speaker 3: think that's one of the things that's helping this team
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Speaker 3: is you got these new coaches coming in, but you
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Speaker 3: have a court. It's weird because like Liam didn't inherit
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Speaker 3: just this, you know, this dumpster fire like rebuild. You
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Speaker 3: know great, And I'm not taking anything away from their coaching,
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Speaker 3: but you got you know, you still got Foyer, you
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Speaker 3: got Trayvon, you got Josh, you got Devin Lloyd. You
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Speaker 3: know guys who were on that twenty two team. You
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Speaker 3: got Trevor, you got I can't remember you know Travis obviously, Walker,
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Speaker 3: little guys who.
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Speaker 2: Are on that, like guys who've been through that.
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Speaker 3: Sure, right, So it's like you get you mix that
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Speaker 3: coaching staff with an experienced team that has been a
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Speaker 3: playoff team. It's like, Okay, I think that's why it's
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Speaker 3: we're having a lot of success.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Last thing we do call it the Ozone five Andrew Wingers.
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Speaker 2: What was your last binge watch?
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Speaker 1: I've been watching. It's called Eerie Hall. It's on Netflix.
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Speaker 3: I actually haven't finished it, but it's a real life
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Speaker 3: It was like a haunting or a ghost something in
17:17
Speaker 3: the eighties up in New York.
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Speaker 2: Its very scary and sleep Well, what's your pregame song
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Speaker 2: or artist?
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Speaker 3: Pregame song is Master of Puppets Metallica on full blast.
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Speaker 3: That kind of just for whatever reason, just gets me going, Uh, your.
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Speaker 2: Go to show growing up?
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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's tough.
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Speaker 3: I would say I didn't watch shows when I was
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Speaker 3: going up, but I watched movies, and the Lord of
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Speaker 3: the Rings trilogy was my absolute favorite.
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Speaker 2: You must see athlete, must.
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Speaker 3: See athlete, you know this is this is this one's crazy.
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Speaker 3: But Rex Burghead was like my guy when he was
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Speaker 3: at Nebraska, like white running back, he was my guy. Okay,
18:03
Speaker 3: so he's maybe not my muscy athlete, but he was like,
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Speaker 3: you want to talk about my idol athlete.
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Speaker 1: It was Rex Berkhead.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever imagine it's always the Jags would have
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Speaker 2: the staying power. I'm sure people say that to you
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Speaker 2: when you're out.
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Speaker 1: I wish I would have trademarked.
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Speaker 3: I wish it wouldn't have had Jags in it, because
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Speaker 3: I actually tried to trademark it, but since it had
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Speaker 3: Jags in it, I couldn't do it. But it got
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Speaker 3: me a new contract, I like to say, so sure
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Speaker 3: I was compensated for it, but just the fact, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think I think they still have it in their
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Speaker 3: bio on Instagram. So I wish I could think of
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Speaker 3: something cooler and you know, make it go. But here
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Speaker 3: it is. And I actually I talked my sports psychologist.
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Speaker 3: I talked to a bunch. He was like, that's an
18:49
Speaker 3: actual psychological principle. When you get a group of people
18:53
Speaker 3: and you have you find a saying that's like tangible,
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Speaker 3: it creates this insane power. So that was the coolest thing.
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Speaker 3: Looking back on it was like we fed off that
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Speaker 3: so much, and like the fans fed off that so much.
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Speaker 3: It just created this like power, honestly, like and there's
19:12
Speaker 3: crazy forces in this world that people don't know about,
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Speaker 3: and sometimes unconsciously you tap into it and boom. So
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Speaker 3: I think we I don't know what, we win like
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Speaker 3: seven straight games at the end of twenty two or something,
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Speaker 3: and yeah, so who knows?
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Speaker 2: And Ingrid and who I'd enjoyed. I always do.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so many, Yeah, appreciate you