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The Smile Has Left Your Eyes | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 65 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Tabaki Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas. And we're back.
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  We're back for another episode on a key drama.
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  For this episode, I am joined by Sarah.
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  Hi Sarah. How are you?
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  I'm good, Jess. So lovely to be back.
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  I love having you here. Sarah from K Drama this slash
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  the Co host of Afternoon to Ask podcast.
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  I love having you on. It is such a great time when
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  you're here. I think the last time you were
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  here was a bit more serious. We were here for DP we.
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  Were. Yeah, and then unfortunately, I
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  don't, I don't think this is any less serious.
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  We're gonna be talking. About the Smile has Left Your
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  Eyes, which is firmly A melodrama with a swing gook and
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  Chong Soo min, so we are gonna really have a time here.
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  I have to be honest right out the gate.
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  I was unable to rewatch this drama before this recording
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  because they've removed The Smile Has Left Your Eyes from
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  Vicky from the Vicki library and I couldn't find it anywhere.
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  And I was like, Oh my God, that sucks.
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  I always pride myself on rewatching the drama before
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  recording, so I also was extremely busy, like my car
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  broke down. I fell like it's been a crazy
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  couple of weeks here and I did not have a chance to read the
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  recaps of all of the episodes too on Drama Beans, which is
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  what I love to do as well if I cannot get a hold of the
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  episodes. And so I haven't been able to do
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  that. What I did do was reread my
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  original blog review from 2019, and I gotta say, I don't know
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  what the hell I'm talking about. I'm talking specifics in my
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  review in my blog review. I don't know what's going on.
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  So we are in for a treat today. I am flying blind.
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  I'm going to be leaning on Sarah heavily because Sarah is which.
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  Is, which is unfortunate, you know, because I also have the
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  memory of a goldfish. I'm just so I'm just so old now.
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  Like I had two kids. They took my brains.
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  I haven't recovered. It's nearly 10:00 at night here
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  in the UK. So and we will be good.
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  We'll be good. We're going to just have fun
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  through this. We might talk a little more
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  broadly about the show than usual, but it's all in good fun.
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  We're going to review. We're going to talk through it
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  as much as we can with as much specificity as we can muster,
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  but without further ado, I'm just gonna go through some
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  housekeeping if this is your first time listening.
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  I love you guys. All right, so we'll get started
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  with the My Drama List synopsis, which is actually a very good
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  synopsis. When I was putting it in here, I
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  was like, hold on, this is pretty good.
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  I need this. You never know, right?
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  It's kind of inconsistent. It's considerate, so here's the
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  My Drama List synopsis for The Smile has left Your Eyes.
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  It reads ATV series centered around the unfolding
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  relationship between free and unpredictable yet dangerous Kim
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  Moos Kim Moo Yong, who is called Monster.
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  He is the first assistant in a Korean beer brewery who becomes
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  a suspect when a woman's suicide turns out to be murder.
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  His life begins to change when he meets a kind, warm
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  advertising designer named Yujing Kang who wishes to be Moo
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  Yong's safe haven. She bears as many emotional
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  scars as him. Yujin Kang also has a brother, a
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  homicide detective named Yujin Kuk with 27 years of job
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  experience. I don't know why they gave his
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  job experience though. He could just say like he was on
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  the 4th for a long time, 27 years of job experience.
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  He strives to reveal who Moo Yung really is and attempts to
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  keep his sister Jin Kong away from Moo Yung, with whom she
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  begins to know and fall in love with.
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  I just added the Fall in love with because I think that's
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  important. This show aired from October
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  2018 to November of 2018. It is 16 episodes long.
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  It's actually a remake of a Japanese drama from 2002 called
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  Sora Karafuru Ichiyoku Nohuhoshi.
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  I hope I didn't butcher that too much Or 1,000,000 Stars Falling
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  From the Sky, which is the alternative title for this show,
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  A Million Stars Following Falling from the Sky.
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  It is directed by UJ One. This guy is actually, I guess
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  one of my favorite directors because he's directed High
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  School, King of Savvy, Oh my Ghost, Tomorrow With You, Abyss,
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  Hi by Mama Hometown, Cha Cha Cha, Crash Course and Romance.
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  And he is also the director of the upcoming Mom's Friend's Son,
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  which is will be a 2024 release. It is one of my most anticipated
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  cage dramas of the year. It will start Jung So Min and
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  Jung Hen in his first ROM com. Yay.
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  Which we manifested. Jess, let's take some credit for
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  this girl. Let's take this some credit for
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  this we. Talked at length about how
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  Jungian has not done sort of like a romantic or I should say
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  ROM com light hearted show, and how when you went to his fan
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  meeting that was something that he specifically said he wanted
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  to do. And lo and behold, we're getting
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  this drama this year. So we we manifested it.
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  We did. We started with a link.
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  With a link actually, because obviously then you know this
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  female Lady Chung, Soo Min, and that's just going to be great.
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  Like, I'm so excited about them two together.
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  I know. And she does such good.
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  I mean I think they're both such great comic actors but also do
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  the Emotion so and I loved hometown Cha Cha Cha.
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  So I'm really hoping like this is a director that knows ROM
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  coms and doesn't screw them up in the second like, half either,
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  right? But he does like really packing
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  the emotion because he, the second-half of hometown Cha Cha
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  Cha was was good for. That I think he knows about tone
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  really well. Yeah, and even though I hated
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  Abyss and Oh my Ghost is not my favorite drama at all, I really
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  respect some like some of these other shit.
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  Like Tomorrow With You I think is so underrated.
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  Hi by Mom. I've heard nothing but good
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  things about that show. Hometown Cha cha cha Who hasn't
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  freaking heard of that show and love that show.
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  Crash Course a really nice solid show from 2023.
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  So I really like this director, like All Things Considered.
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  So good on him. Yeah.
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  Writer is Song Hey Jin. I'm not sure if this is a female
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  writer. My guess is yes, but this writer
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  really doesn't have that much to their name, about four or five
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  TV credits. And I really haven't heard about
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  any of these shows before. Sent from Heaven from 2012.
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  My Sweet Soul from 2008. And then they also have a
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  Netflix show coming out from this year to Women I.
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  So we got to keep an eye out for that.
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  I don't know what that's about, who stars in there or anything,
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  but when it says Netflix, I kind of feel like there's budget
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  behind it. So might have some big names in
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  that. They've also written movies
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  including Love Lies from 2016 Love Lies.
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  I reviewed it for the Patreon feed.
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  It stars Han Yoju and it is heartbreaking and frustrating.
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  It's a period piece with the Japanese occupation kind of
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  happening, kind of tearing friends apart.
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  It was it. Hani Oju plays a villain,
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  essentially, and you're just like, Oh my God, like you have
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  no idea. Like the lengths that some of
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  these characters will go through go to.
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  And it's very surprising. It's not a nice comfort movie at
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  all. It seems to track, especially
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  when you pair it with the smile has left your eyes.
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  You're kind of like, oh, of course it was.
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  It was written by the same person.
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  Absolutely. She.
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  Likes axed. Yeah, yeah.
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  So we had this cast, which I'm only going to list the top three
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  people. So we have Soy and Gook, who
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  plays Kim Moo Sung. The monster quote, UN quote
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  monster. He's been in so many things.
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  He's really worked his way up through the ranks and he's been
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  in stuff like love Rain from 2012, reply 19897, sorry 1997
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  from 2012. That is when I bought all my
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  stock in Sewing Gook. That's when I fell in love with
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  him. Like madly in love with Sewing
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  Gook. Like that's the the show Master
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  Sun, which I think you just watched.
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  Recently I just finished that. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. Oh my God.
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  High school king of savvy. So he's worked with the director
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  before the King's face, Shopaholic Louie, which I don't
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  remember laughing as hard at a drama as I have with Shopaholic
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  Louie. He was so good in that he is
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  such a comedian. Oh.
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  My God, it's hysterical. You know, like my our sister Pod
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  Afternoon Delight has just done an episode on K Drama Himbos and
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  how much they love them, and he is the archetypal K Drama Himbo.
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  He's so good. It's so good.
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  But then he also flips and plays like super smart savant kind of
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  characters, right? Which is what he plays here as
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  well. And he just has such range.
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  Such range. So he's been in doom at your
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  service, which a lot of people like to.
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  I think that's a very polarizing show.
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  And Cafe Minam Dong and Death's Game most recently, which is one
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  of my favorite shows that I've seen in 2024, Period.
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  It is #1 so far as far as 2024 goes, but he's excellent in
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  that. How do you feel about towing
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  good? Are you going to the band
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  meeting? Did I do I have that right?
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  Oh my God. I feel like you're like helping
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  me manifest like my, my, I just need to come on my podcast and
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  just tell you like everything I want to happen in my life.
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  Because I think yes, that was it, right.
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  So our first podcast ever was we we talked about do you like
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  Brahms and for some reason we started talking about fan meets.
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  I don't know why. But anyway I said I I really
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  wanted to know what happened in fan meets And then circumstances
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  happened and I I managed to get ticket.
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  I was in Hong Kong when John he in was in Hong Kong doing his
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  fan meet. So I got to do his fan meet.
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  I did a whole podcast on it. So if you do want to know what
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  happens in fan meets, check it out on afternoon.
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  It asks. And then you asked me onto this
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  PERD a while back Now and then I saw that sewing Book was doing
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  fan meets in just DC and in LA and I was like, oh, I really
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  wish I could go. And then, you know, you have
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  just one of those moments when you're just like, do you know
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  what? Like maybe I could make it
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  happen. So I looked up like the Air mile
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  offer because I knew I couldn't afford it money wise or I
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  couldn't justify it. Obviously I can't afford it if
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  I, you know, stopped eating and stuff.
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  But anyway, I I kind of could. I justify going all the way to
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  DC to to see him on Air Miles and then that stars aligned.
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  It was really cheap. And yeah, so I'm going next.
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  Oh, so exciting. I'm so excited.
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  I'm sewing. Sewing Gook is one of my he's in
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  my top five. I don't really rank them, but
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  like he is in my top five of K drummer like.
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  I love it. Yeah, and he sings as well,
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  because I really think of fun meat where like the actor sings
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  as well. Is always really enjoyable too
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  because they can mix it up and. My ovaries can't take that.
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  OK, Like, honestly, them singing and they're actually good.
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  I don't stand a chance. So sewing gook in this show,
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  What did you think about him? I think it's one of his best
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  roles. Like, I think it is absolutely.
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  You say what you think about the drama.
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  I think there are mixed feelings.
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  I think generally about this. Drama.
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  Oh. Absolutely.
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  But no one, no one would ever kind of contradict you if you
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  said that this is shows you what an amazing actor he is.
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  He is so and he's so charismatic.
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  He's really mesmerizing. He's completely red flag.
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  Oh, oh, so, so, so. Sad question, though.
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  Yeah, he's so. He's so captivating.
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  He's so captivating. Exactly.
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  And he's the reason why you just keep wanting to watch it because
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  you feel like this is a all the way through the drama.
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  I mean it's I'm not going to miss Spoiler to say it feels
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  like it's a train wreck that is about to happen but you can't
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  stop watching what is going to happen.
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  And he does amazing things with his eyes.
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  Like that's my main thing with this drama that might take away.
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  I remember thinking like he can make his eyes do so many
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  different things like he has it's kind of like dead eye look,
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  do you know what I mean? Like he looks like he is dead
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  inside and you can't read him. And he's unreadable for a large
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  swath of the show. And that's part of his thing,
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  like the part of the character. Exactly.
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  But also just he injects it so well and so he becomes this
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  thing that you can't read. And then at other times he is
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  just so raw and so vulnerable and he just he decides which of
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  these things you're going to see.
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  And I just think that's such a talent.
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  It is because he feels like he's in complete control.
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  Yeah. And that is, I don't want to
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  shit on other actors or other names in the biz.
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  I'm not going to name names. We all we all know who you mean.
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  Jessica. No, it's your AMA episode.
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  I won't. But when he he's he's a like,
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  what can he dance as well? That would make him a triple
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  threat. I think so.
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  I mean look, if you look at those early because he obviously
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  he won the singing show. This is so in goods background
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  like he won a singing show. He wasn't actually an actor to
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  start with, right? And then obviously got casted.
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  So in the beginning shows, he did more singing shows, didn't
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  he? And he also always does a track
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  on a pretty much every OST of his dramas.
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  So and he still releases single. So I still like I still follow
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  him on my Apple Music. So I kind of add his music in.
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  But yeah, in the early, early days, like his reply 1997 days,
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  he does do a bit of dancing as well.
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  And he doesn't now, I don't think, but he did back then and
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  yeah. I think that he's a powerhouse,
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  yes. And it's hard to find talent
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  such as his where he can just sort of command the room and
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  he's got such a presence about him in the show that keeps it
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  even if you're sort of on the fence about the plot or you're
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  just kind of confused about where things are going.
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  And that's part of the think of it as well, like part of the
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  sensation of watching the show is that you're kind of like,
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  what is going on? I don't know if he's good.
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  I don't know if he's bad. I don't know if he's a murderer.
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  Like, who is he? But that's the whole thing, is
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  that he is a slippery character, slippery persona, and you can't
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  quite guess what he's thinking. And then there are glimpses of
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  vulnerability that are so attractive that make you think,
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  Oh my God, you just want to wrap him up in a hug.
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  And you're like, I totally get why Chung Suman is fighting for
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  this man. Yeah.
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  Totally or. Actually, initially.
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  Yeah. Or initially the Sangha is drawn
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  to him because he's just. I mean, he is, he is everything
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  that you would want your daughter not to date, right?
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  Oh. Absolutely.
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  If you see this man and you're a parent, you'd be like,
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  absolutely not, no, no, no. No, no, no.
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  But you know, all of us have fallen for a guy like this.
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  We've all fallen for a guy like this.
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  It's a. Prototypical bad boy without,
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  like, all of the that. Boy with emotional wounds, yes,
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  but but like he you're you're going to love him and heal those
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  wounds. And yeah, you're like I can.
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  Fix him like you can fix it? Yeah, exactly.
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  You're going to be his salvation.
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  That's the character. Yes.
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  Yes, absolutely. It's like drama crack, honestly.
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  It's so is. It's.
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  So is, Yeah. And then the whole then watching
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  the drama becomes quite a visceral experience, because all
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  the time you're like, should I even root for this guy, right?
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  Does some really, actually bad shit like some actual bad shit?
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  It's. Super questionable.
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  And you're like, that's absolutely criminal.
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  Yeah, I can't support that. But but if he.
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  But he didn't do this, we got to count our blessings here.
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  On the levels here, he's kind of lower down on the totem than I
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  thought. Like you're kind of making
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  excuses. Yeah, justifying the whole time,
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  right? You're like, oh, but he has a
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  really, really traumatic past. Right this is.
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  Why he's doing this. But he is, you know, like
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  there's always this list of like K drama, Red Flag male leads.
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  And honestly, most of them seem quite tame because.
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  It's totally, totally, I agree. I agree.
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  Because they don't have like he puts his money where his mouth
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  is. Yeah.
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  OK, he's actually doing some crazy.
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  Shit, yeah, yeah. And he's really treating people
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  badly. So this is this is the rich girl
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  right at the start. Like, I'm not going to spoil,
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  not spoil his section, but what what he ends up doing to her is
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  just. It's so cold.
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  It's so. Cold.
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  It's so cold. And that's the thing.
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  It's not even like he's like a cat with a toy, yes.
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  And I Oh my God, I said that in my review in my OK, we'll leave
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  that for. She just doesn't.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  We'll leave that for wait, but absolutely.
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  You're totally on the money there.
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  I I agree with you. So his Co star is Chung Selman,
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  who plays Jing Kong. She's been in mischievous kiss
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  from 2010, which is where I remember her from.
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  Talk about toxic male leads back then.
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  That was one of those where I was like, I cannot rewatch this.
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  Can we get married? My father is strange because
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  this is my first life, which pay attention to the podcast feed
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  because we'll be covering it this.
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  Season that was. That was my first Chung Summin
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  drama. Oh, oh, that's a good one.
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  Yeah, so Chung Summin also was in Alchemy of Souls Season one.
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  So we won't go into Alchemy of Souls.
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  We won't. We've left it all on the dance
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  floor. That's just scroll back in your
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  podcast feed. There's a couple of episodes
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  there for you, so. What do you write episodes, by
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  the way? I haven't listened.
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  I can hardly recommend them. It's.
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  Point by point. So Chung So Min, what did you
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  think of her in this show? And you know her as an actress
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  as a whole. I mean, I love Chung So Min so
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  I'm not. I'm not I'm not going to sit
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  here be unbiased because I just really love her.
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  Yeah. I'm totally biased and I just,
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  but she's so good in this. I mean she brings it all like I
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  think she's such she's similar to sewing, cooking that way.
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  She can do comedy. She can do really, really good
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  emotion and she brings you in. I think she's such a warm.
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  So whatever character she's playing, even, you know, even
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  when she's, I mean, she's not in this drama.
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  She is quite warm in this drama. But even when she's like a
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  colder kind of assassin kind of character, like an alchemy of
• 21:11
  souls, she still brings you in and makes you feel.
• 21:15
  And there's something always just very warming about her.
• 21:19
  I feel as an actress, yeah, I love her.
• 21:22
  Yeah, I just think of her as this sort of baby faced person
• 21:28
  with a very quiet innocence about her that has never left.
• 21:33
  And it might be because I watched her in mischievous kiss
• 21:37
  many years ago when I was first watching K dramas and that show
• 21:41
  she is very infantile and she was paired with like a Sundar
• 21:45
  Elite. So it's like she was banging her
• 21:49
  head against the wall and she was very ridiculous and so I
• 21:52
  almost feel like I can't push that out of my mind.
• 21:55
  She does have a very like cute face like she's not, doesn't
• 22:00
  have severe features like sewing Guk does.
• 22:04
  So I feel like it's proper casting to have him be this
• 22:10
  sociopath and then she is much warmer as you said.
• 22:16
  Yeah, they had great chemistry together.
• 22:19
  Really good chemistry. Like, really good.
• 22:20
  Chemistry, Yeah. So they have really good enemies
• 22:23
  chemistry at the start, like they're really sparky, you know?
• 22:29
  But then obviously as the drama aggressors, you know, they just
• 22:33
  have more, even more like different kinds of chemistry.
• 22:36
  So really well cast together I. Think because they seem to be
• 22:40
  connecting on a soul level. Yes, really.
• 22:43
  Believably. Throughout the show and you're
• 22:46
  like, how can we let that go? He's such a red flag, but like,
• 22:50
  look what they have. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:54
  It's hard. It's difficult.
• 22:55
  So that's Chung Suman. And then her brother is Pak Sung
• 22:58
  Hoon. Who plays Jane Cook, the cop
• 23:02
  slash brother. OK, this guy has been in
• 23:04
  everything. He's been in like 51 movies,
• 23:07
  including the great battle from 2018.
• 23:11
  I just watched this movie several weeks ago for the first
• 23:14
  time with it's got toinsung in it.
• 23:16
  It's got Namji Hook in it. Let me just say right now, Namji
• 23:18
  Hook not a period piece person, OK?
• 23:21
  Like you put him in battle armor from like medieval Korea and
• 23:24
  you're like maybe not. Perhaps not like that man knows
• 23:27
  what an iPhone is. OK.
• 23:29
  I'm sorry to say so. And you're you're saying that as
• 23:32
  a fan of his, right? Like oh I love yok I.
• 23:35
  Love Namju Yok. I love him.
• 23:38
  That man should not be in period pieces.
• 23:40
  Oh, that's hilarious. So that's the great battle he
• 23:44
  was in. Love lies with Han Yoju you just
• 23:49
  mentioned. Yeah, POC.
• 23:50
  Sunun Wong played, I believe a Japanese like Commander or
• 23:56
  something like that. Just vile, right?
• 24:00
  Vile dude. And then he was also in
• 24:02
  commitment, which I always like to mention from 2013.
• 24:06
  That's TOP from Big Bang, right? Playing a North Korean spy.
• 24:14
  Right. Who's in South Korea on a
• 24:16
  mission and he gets implanted into like this fake family and
• 24:21
  Paxongoon plays his fake father in South Korea, like while
• 24:25
  they're on this mission and I'm like, whoa wow, what a
• 24:29
  throwback. So those are just a few of the
• 24:33
  movies that he's been in. And then he's been in 27 TV
• 24:36
  shows including, and I hate to even say it, Snowdrop from
• 24:41
  2021-2022. There is a very painful episode
• 24:46
  of ours up for Snowdrop if you want to listen to it.
• 24:50
  I had someone DM me the other day and say I got up to episode
• 24:54
  5 of Snowdrop and I just couldn't finish.
• 24:57
  I went and listened to your episode and decided to just skip
• 25:01
  and watch the finale. So thank you so much for
• 25:04
  reviewing that show and I didn't have to endure it and you did
• 25:10
  the hard work for me and I decided made the decision after
• 25:13
  listening to you guys to just skip to the.
• 25:16
  End I have I have to, despite being a big Jungian fan, have
• 25:20
  not started Snowdrop just because there's just so much
• 25:24
  noise about it. That just makes me think it is
• 25:26
  easy. I don't.
• 25:27
  I don't want to hate watch something, but.
• 25:30
  He is brilliant. You haven't.
• 25:32
  Well, this is the worst thing. I think it's even worse.
• 25:35
  You know when I'm one of your faves is this is happening to me
• 25:37
  right now in like, the impossible air.
• 25:39
  Oh God, really like someone. And you're just like, I really
• 25:42
  want to watch this drama because of you don't.
• 25:46
  Do it. You don't do anything.
• 25:48
  No, I know, I know. But anyway, So anyway, I drop.
• 25:51
  So sorry. Joke.
• 25:55
  So you ended up dropping impossible error.
• 25:57
  I've dropped, I've dropped, yeah, yeah, I couldn't.
• 26:00
  Couldn't happen. Yeah that's that's a
• 26:02
  conversation for a different day.
• 26:03
  So maybe maybe later. But anyway, so this guy has also
• 26:08
  been in good or bad Dong Jay. He'll that will come out later
• 26:11
  this year. I don't know what that's about
• 26:14
  at all but it's a 2024 release so we'll see about it.
• 26:17
  The Killing vote Bloodhounds Unlock my boss, Life on Mars,
• 26:21
  Man to man, just so many. Also Cain and Abel from 2009,
• 26:25
  which I remember mentioning on that episode with you on
• 26:30
  Afternoon, asks. Yes, it's one of your underrated
• 26:32
  dramas. I love Cain and Abel.
• 26:35
  I just love it. It is so angsty.
• 26:38
  And it's with Toji Sub, which is one of my first crushes in K
• 26:42
  Drama Land. Like that, man.
• 26:44
  Anyway, that's a whole another thing.
• 26:46
  But. Yeah, I've just.
• 26:47
  I've actually just seen him in unluck.
• 26:49
  My boss. OK.
• 26:50
  All right. Which is a drama I cannot
• 26:52
  recommend so despite despite Che Jong Kop TE Jong Kop.
• 26:57
  Is a delight, isn't he? He.
• 26:59
  Is so cute and actually they share.
• 27:02
  So the actress that say Sung Ah is also in in from Smilers Left
• 27:08
  Your Eyes is also in Unlock My Boss.
• 27:11
  So she's actually yeah. So it was fun to see both Parson
• 27:14
  Wong and So and so in Unlock My Boss when I just finished like
• 27:19
  Smilers Left Your Eyes. But yeah, yeah, sadly, sadly
• 27:24
  disappointing. OK, well what did you think of
• 27:28
  this guy and his character? Because I think a lot of my
• 27:32
  frustrations in rereading my original blog review came from
• 27:38
  his character a lot. So the actor himself playing
• 27:43
  this role loved him, I thought. He was.
• 27:46
  A great, yeah. He was a great older brother.
• 27:49
  I think he had this really great.
• 27:51
  In fact, I needed more of him and tack like his fellow police
• 27:55
  officer friend that had this thing, unspoken thing that they
• 28:00
  never kind of like did more with, which is a shame I think,
• 28:03
  because they had really great chemistry.
• 28:06
  So all of my issues with him hard to do with the character
• 28:11
  and the logic fails, yes, with his art, which I guess will go
• 28:15
  into the spoilers. So I as an actor, I think he did
• 28:19
  really great, I think. He right, I don't.
• 28:21
  I it wasn't the acting at all. No, it was the decisions that
• 28:24
  they had him doing. Yeah.
• 28:28
  Which like didn't make sense. No, no.
• 28:31
  And that bothers me. Yeah, even now I'm kind of like
• 28:34
  feeling the frustration without knowing why.
• 28:36
  I'm frustrated because I can't remember the details.
• 28:40
  They might come back to you. They might come back maybe.
• 28:43
  Interesting to see if yours look the same as mine, because I
• 28:45
  haven't read your blog, so we'll.
• 28:46
  OK, Oh, perfect. OK, so with that being said that
• 28:51
  that's the end of there's more cast members like Komen Chi as
• 28:54
  well is in it. Sun Tzu plays Sanga, that
• 28:58
  character that we keep mentioning, the rich girl who
• 29:00
  gets done dirty. You know this cast is a little
• 29:04
  more extensive, but those are the three main players.
• 29:08
  What did you think of this show? How was your experience watching
• 29:11
  it? And without giving any spoilers
• 29:14
  away, like, how did the ending sit with you?
• 29:19
  I hated the ending. I'm going to be completely
• 29:22
  frank. I love the show.
• 29:23
  I still, I still would watch this drama again purely for the
• 29:30
  performances, especially from SO and Gug and Chun So Min.
• 29:34
  I still feel like it was a rewarding watch for me.
• 29:38
  I found it frustrating because it could have been amazing.
• 29:43
  Like it could have been like it had so many of the ingredients
• 29:47
  to be an amazing show. And the things that didn't make
• 29:51
  it amazing were completely fixable.
• 29:54
  You know, They were like, they were not, They were not
• 29:57
  circumstances or things that you couldn't change or whatever, you
• 30:00
  know, or like drama, you know, like a director that created
• 30:03
  really saggy drama. It was none, none of those
• 30:04
  things. I think it was mainly for me in
• 30:07
  the in the plotting and the ending that they chose.
• 30:13
  How do I put this? Well, I'll just say it's not a
• 30:16
  happy ending. Yes.
• 30:20
  And we'll leave it at that. We won't say what the what the
• 30:22
  hell happens at all at the end, but you enjoyed the process of
• 30:26
  watching them the show. And I remember when you were
• 30:29
  because you post updates on Instagram, like when you get
• 30:32
  through a few episodes, you'll say like, you know, update and
• 30:35
  you'll say what your thoughts are.
• 30:37
  And you were kind of enthralled with the show.
• 30:40
  I was, I was, yeah. I really felt like it knew what
• 30:43
  it was doing and I felt like, and I think this is it, yeah,
• 30:47
  you're kind of bringing it back now.
• 30:48
  I felt like I felt let down because the ending, which we're
• 30:55
  not going to talk about, just didn't unfold narratively for me
• 31:00
  in a logical way. So I'm not.
• 31:03
  There are some people that can only handle dramas that have
• 31:06
  happy endings and no shade on them completely understand, you
• 31:09
  know, why some people feel that way.
• 31:11
  I'm not one of these people. I can.
• 31:13
  I'm totally happy with a happy ending.
• 31:14
  But it has to make sense and it has to be built up throughout
• 31:19
  the drama so that when I get to that not happy ending, I'm I'm
• 31:24
  maybe like sad, but I'm like OK, I get it.
• 31:27
  Like I get it. I don't want to spoil other
• 31:29
  dramas, but there are plenty of dramas in K Drama Land that
• 31:32
  didn't have happy endings for me but still worked because I kind
• 31:36
  of got why we got to where we were.
• 31:39
  And that's not how this drama left me feeling.
• 31:42
  And I'm annoyed because I think in the first part of the show I
• 31:45
  really felt like this writing and the directing was really
• 31:49
  self assured and I felt like this drama knew what it was
• 31:52
  doing and so I trusted it. And so then in the end when it
• 31:57
  happened, I was just like, OK, that is, that's not that.
• 32:01
  That was that was not where you were leading me.
• 32:03
  And now I feel really cheated because I trusted you.
• 32:06
  I thought that you knew what you were doing.
• 32:09
  Right. Yeah, and and I'm annoyed doubly
• 32:13
  because I was really invested at that point.
• 32:15
  And so at the end, what the emotions I want to feel are
• 32:19
  about the character and the drama.
• 32:21
  I don't want to feel frustrated and annoyed at the drama.
• 32:26
  Yeah, because it kind of really took away a lot of those and
• 32:29
  it's like super powerful performances in the end.
• 32:32
  You know what? Those.
• 32:33
  I remember. Episodes are just, you know, and
• 32:36
  that's what I want to be left with the feeling that those
• 32:38
  actors kind of, well, like those powerful, powerful scenes,
• 32:42
  that's what I want to be left with.
• 32:43
  Not with this, like, oh, you want to Chuck something in the
• 32:46
  TV? I will read you what I said in
• 32:50
  my review, which I evidently wrote 5 minutes after I finished
• 32:55
  watching the show. I said honestly, like what the
• 33:00
  fuck just happened? I'm 5 minutes removed from
• 33:03
  catching that swift Shakespearean ending and I'm
• 33:06
  just stunned, emotional, angry. And then I said a lot of stuff
• 33:13
  in a paragraph which I'm not going to read and then I said in
• 33:15
  all caps. However, I did not see that
• 33:17
  ending coming. Not by a mile.
• 33:20
  So I remember getting to that ending and not feeling that it
• 33:28
  was that it was going to going to happen at all, like it was
• 33:33
  came out of nowhere. But what I said at the end of
• 33:37
  the review was that it. I said I've maybe had an hour to
• 33:48
  process this because I guess it took an hour to write this and
• 33:52
  I've concluded that this drama was simply a tragedy and as such
• 33:56
  I can only accept what happened as it was always never going to
• 34:00
  have a happy ending. So I kind of took it as from day
• 34:06
  one this this was never going to be a ride off into the sunset
• 34:13
  story. So and it this sucks because I
• 34:17
  couldn't re watch the show and I didn't have time to read the
• 34:19
  recaps to to jump in this with my full chest.
• 34:23
  But basically, we don't see eye to eye on this ending like me
• 34:29
  five years ago and and you now don't don't see eye to eye on
• 34:33
  this ending because I kind of feel like even if I didn't see
• 34:37
  it coming, even if it was extremely crazy and sad and made
• 34:45
  me angry, it's the same anger that you feel at the end of a
• 34:51
  sort of Shakespearean tragedy where you're like, but why?
• 34:57
  Yeah, but like. Yeah, but for me, not like So I
• 35:02
  didn't expect a happy ending. I kind of felt like we couldn't
• 35:06
  get one quite early on in the show, actually.
• 35:10
  So you were. Not.
• 35:11
  Expecting. So I wasn't expecting a happy
• 35:12
  ending, and I was expecting a reveal that would mean that the
• 35:20
  happy ending couldn't happen. And so then I.
• 35:22
  Was resolved. Sort of Resolved a little more
• 35:25
  of a fizzle. Yeah, not a fizzle.
• 35:28
  But just like there is a reason why they can't be together.
• 35:30
  Like I and I get it. And then that reason, which had
• 35:36
  been foreshadowed, wasn't which we can discuss more properly at
• 35:41
  this point. No, absolutely.
• 35:42
  We're dancing. Around.
• 35:43
  Yeah, we are. Yeah.
• 35:43
  So, so yeah. We're not going to stick in the
• 35:46
  non spoiler section that much longer, but but I see what
• 35:50
  you're saying that like you didn't expect it to be a happy
• 35:52
  ending, but you didn't expect it to be.
• 35:55
  That end. Fireworks on the 4th of July
• 35:57
  type deal. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:00
  OK, fair enough. OK, So what I want to do right
• 36:05
  now is just have you rate the show out of Five Soldier bottles
• 36:09
  and we'll just get into this, the spoiler section.
• 36:12
  Yeah. OK.
• 36:13
  So it's yeah, it's interesting because I I went back to look at
• 36:16
  because I rate my dramas after I finished them and I actually, I
• 36:20
  think because of that ending rated it lower then I actually I
• 36:24
  think it deserves. So I went back and I re rated
• 36:26
  it. Oh OK.
• 36:27
  So I do a rating up to 10 and I do point fives as well.
• 36:32
  So I'm quite like there's a lot of nuance in the rating anyway.
• 36:36
  So when I finished it was a six and it's been re rated.
• 36:42
  It's been re rated as an 8. Because actually having had.
• 36:45
  Yeah, yeah, actually as having had it sit with me, I'm kind of
• 36:49
  like actually do you know what the performances, the actors,
• 36:55
  some of the things that it made me feel were like I was really
• 37:00
  taken with it. You know.
• 37:02
  So that's what's that's the bulk of the the and and like I just
• 37:06
  said like I think if they had tweaked certain things for me, I
• 37:10
  could have loved this show. It could have been a 10 for me.
• 37:14
  It had the ingredients to be a 10 because of, as I said, the
• 37:18
  performances and things that made me feel and like I can.
• 37:22
  I can not like an ending of a show so like my dearest but
• 37:28
  still love the show. So you know, like I because
• 37:31
  because of everything it made me feel like up until that point.
• 37:35
  Right, I'm totally following you.
• 37:37
  OK, so for me, I'm looking at my rating on the On the Blog
• 37:41
  review, which I'm leaning heavily on.
• 37:44
  I gave it a four out of five. OK, so we've actually ended up
• 37:47
  in the same place. We're in the same vicinity.
• 37:50
  Yeah we are in the same vicinity and that star is probably for
• 37:53
  all of the nitpicks and possibly the the resentment I feel
• 37:57
  towards the ending. But yeah I think we're we're in
• 38:00
  the ballpark you know with our ratings.
• 38:03
  So four to five sold you bottles.
• 38:06
  I had the rewatch value cuz I gave a rewatch value on on my
• 38:09
  blog reviews down at two out of five stars and I would say
• 38:13
  that's very accurate because I have not rewatched it in the
• 38:16
  last five years so. I would not watch rewatch this
• 38:20
  drama, right? That's good.
• 38:22
  All right. So we're just going to, we're
• 38:26
  going to get into the spoiler section.
• 38:27
  We'll see how much we spoil because again, I have the memory
• 38:31
  of a hamster. It might just be a little more
• 38:35
  talking about the ending and some characters and leaning on
• 38:40
  on Sarah's experience, having watched it just a few weeks ago.
• 38:44
  So without further. Ado last year, actually, just.
• 38:48
  Oh yeah, was it last year? My God, my memory.
• 38:51
  But it was the end of last year. So yeah, it was the end of last
• 38:54
  year. So, all right.
• 38:55
  Hopefully still more recent. Than, yeah, all right, spoilers,
• 39:00
  spoilers right after this. Excuse me, I can't chat.
• 39:04
  I can't chat, yeah, no. I'm sorry.
• 39:11
  Discoursing shit. What?
• 39:14
  All right, we're on the other side of spoilers, so we're just
• 39:16
  going to maybe jump back in on that ending, possibly, and talk
• 39:21
  through why Sarah feels the way that she feels and maybe how why
• 39:26
  I feel the way that I feel, if I can articulate it with any
• 39:31
  possible memory that I have. So why don't you just kind of
• 39:34
  walk us through it? So I'm going to start with
• 39:37
  saying, did you watch the Japanese drama, the original?
• 39:39
  And did you know anything about it when you oh?
• 39:41
  No, no, no. Yeah, so me, me neither.
• 39:44
  Oh, OK, perfect. That was my next question, but I
• 39:49
  read the synopsis and I looked at the poster for the Japanese
• 39:52
  show. Identical.
• 39:54
  Yes. Not, not that the poster was
• 39:56
  identical. The atmosphere and vibe of the
• 40:00
  poster was identical to this one.
• 40:02
  Yeah. And the synopsis is the same.
• 40:06
  Except for the ending, right? No, I I didn't.
• 40:08
  I didn't see. Anything.
• 40:09
  OK, so did. You look up the Japanese ending.
• 40:12
  Yeah, so my understanding. Oh, good.
• 40:14
  Oh. Tell me so.
• 40:15
  My understanding in the Japanese drama is that they are
• 40:19
  biological brothers and sisters. Fuck out of here.
• 40:22
  Yeah. No.
• 40:24
  Yeah, No. Yes.
• 40:26
  So that's why the Japanese drama, for me, the ending makes
• 40:30
  more sense that it is logical. This is why they can't be
• 40:36
  together. This is why, you know people
• 40:39
  does all of the stuff that he does to keep them to part.
• 40:44
  That makes a lot more sense. And that's where I I mean I kind
• 40:47
  of was warring with myself because I was a bit like this is
• 40:50
  seems to be what you're suggesting to me because they
• 40:52
  spent like him and tack have multiples like conversations
• 40:56
  where they're both like they can't be together they can't be
• 40:58
  together and you're like why why can't they be together unless oh
• 41:02
  they can't be together And then you know when like evil person
• 41:06
  that was like the evil Princess in my dearest like she's always
• 41:08
  the evil person she's she's telling the the very rich like
• 41:13
  Chebol sister was saying she's your sister.
• 41:18
  Yeah, she says. She's.
• 41:19
  She says You're you're. And that's when I thought, fuck
• 41:22
  shit, she. Says she's like a fellow, like
• 41:25
  sociopath. She says that his father was a
• 41:30
  murderer, which is true, and that they're biological brother
• 41:35
  and sister, which in this the K drama that's not true, but in
• 41:40
  the J drama it is true. Yes, which kind of makes more
• 41:45
  sense, right? It makes way more sense.
• 41:48
  Part of me a bit like an. Incestuous relationship and he
• 41:51
  can't be together. Yeah, exactly.
• 41:53
  But then I was really like, is K drama really going with incest?
• 41:57
  Like, really like, I just couldn't see it, right?
• 42:01
  Like just couldn't see that they would do incest in a in a in a
• 42:05
  actual studio network. This isn't that.
• 42:06
  Like, this is before. Like streaming could do like
• 42:09
  ultraviolence, like stuff that, you know, you wouldn't show on
• 42:11
  like network TV. This is proper network TV show.
• 42:14
  So I was like, are they really going with the incest?
• 42:16
  It was really strong with my brain.
• 42:17
  And then I felt like, so to me it felt like the show bottled
• 42:21
  it, right? So it bottled doing the incest.
• 42:24
  Or maybe it didn't bottle it, but it couldn't for cultural
• 42:27
  reasons do incest, but that it still then wanted to stay in the
• 42:32
  style of the show or wanted to keep like faith to the original.
• 42:37
  But then in so doing like didn't change the logic enough, you
• 42:41
  know, so they didn't change enough like.
• 42:44
  So I wish that basically two things either say, screw it, we
• 42:49
  can't go with the incest, so we need to do something different.
• 42:53
  Let's just actually give them a happy ending.
• 42:56
  Like let's just like let's let's try and do a happy ending or you
• 43:00
  fix the logic of the rest of the show to make it make sense.
• 43:04
  So then key things like why the why the fuck is he stabbing this
• 43:08
  guy? Like why is he walking across
• 43:10
  this like this, this, this heart, this road.
• 43:13
  And just as a policeman stabbing this guy like I just, you know,
• 43:18
  like it made more sense, I guess.
• 43:20
  If he knew who he was, but he knew that he was, he knew all
• 43:26
  along who he was. And he knew all along he was not
• 43:29
  the biological brother of Jin Gang.
• 43:33
  OK, so then that's what? So I have.
• 43:35
  So I have here in my, in my review, a whole paragraph.
• 43:43
  A lot of it doesn't make sense to me, but you're touching on
• 43:45
  something that I said in this paragraph.
• 43:47
  So I have literally Burp. I'm just going to read it.
• 43:50
  It's verbatim. It's not that long.
• 43:52
  I'm going to skip over the bulk of the melodrama involving 1.
• 43:55
  Mooyoung recovers his memories. Moo Mooyoung.
• 44:03
  I need to make sure these characters are all lined up just
• 44:06
  in case, because it's hard to. So that's Sewinguk's characters.
• 44:09
  So Sewinguk's character recovers his memories. 2 Jinguk stabs
• 44:14
  Sewinguk's character in the freaking St. like a psycho.
• 44:17
  This is All in all caps. That's what you're referring to?
• 44:20
  Yes, yes, I. I was reeling as well, like this
• 44:26
  is an all caps for me. I don't know.
• 44:29
  I that that's melodrama that I didn't.
• 44:31
  I was just skipping over. I was like, I don't even want to
• 44:33
  talk about that necessarily in detail because that's fucking
• 44:36
  wild. Three Moo Young, which is sewing
• 44:40
  this character, confronts Jinguk at gunpoint about him killing
• 44:45
  his father. Yep.
• 44:49
  And then I already read this part, say it on the fellows like
• 44:52
  sociopath tells MU Young about his father being a murderer and
• 44:55
  Jin Gong Jin Kong being the biological sister, which is
• 44:59
  false in this case. But all of this melodrama just
• 45:06
  compounding and it doesn't make sense.
• 45:11
  It doesn't make sense that the cop brother what's what's to
• 45:19
  happen in the street? Yeah, and also because what
• 45:22
  doesn't make sense, right, is that they spend so much of this
• 45:24
  drama building up his back story that he is a dedicated cop that
• 45:29
  he's looked down upon by everybody else in the police
• 45:33
  station because. He's so straight laced.
• 45:34
  Because he's so straight laced, he's dogged.
• 45:36
  He's determined he has to find the truth, but he doesn't find
• 45:39
  the truth about this thing, and he's so he needs so he is
• 45:44
  dedicated to finding out secrets, but then spends all of
• 45:49
  his drama keeping secrets from the sister that he apparently
• 45:53
  loves more than anything else in the world.
• 45:56
  He is dedicated to unearthing secrets and to finding out
• 46:00
  information about things. But he's a.
• 46:02
  Liar, But yeah, but is himself a liar?
• 46:05
  And then also like doesn't find out everything about so Ingall's
• 46:09
  character before stabbing him in the.
• 46:12
  Just like This is why I got to the end of it.
• 46:15
  I'm just like basically this whole thing could have been
• 46:18
  prevented if if Jingle could just been honest from the
• 46:24
  beginning and that kind of that being the reason why they both
• 46:29
  end up dead is. Just.
• 46:31
  I can't do it. I can't do it.
• 46:34
  I'm just like, you know, if fate.
• 46:36
  If fate meant that they can't be together, I can handle that.
• 46:39
  But if they can't be together because this one guy didn't tell
• 46:42
  them, like, basically communication is the reason why
• 46:46
  they're dead. I'm just like no, but it's but.
• 46:49
  I see what you're saying that if they went with the J drama, it
• 46:53
  would make sense that if he was trying to keep the secret that
• 46:56
  their brother and sister maybe, maybe, Yeah.
• 47:02
  Again, I would. I would probably lead with that.
• 47:04
  I'd be like you can't be together because you're brother
• 47:09
  and sister. But hey, isn't it nice that
• 47:13
  you've got a real brother and a real sister?
• 47:15
  But. Hey, family reunion.
• 47:20
  It's If you can't already tell and you've never watched the
• 47:23
  show and you're just in the spoiler section for shifts and
• 47:25
  gigs. This is it's a melodrama.
• 47:29
  It might have a little mock Jang elements in it.
• 47:31
  It's it's just it's an adaptation of AJ drama that is a
• 47:34
  little unhinged. OK, obviously, but it's really
• 47:38
  well done up to certain points. OK is I think the point we're
• 47:42
  trying to make and we're trying to make sense of some stuff that
• 47:47
  they changed and some stuff that maybe they didn't change.
• 47:50
  We're not sure, but it literally because the character, it has
• 47:55
  been set up in such a way. The cop brother has been set up
• 47:58
  in such a way when he does certain things later on in the
• 48:01
  show, it's going against character in such a way as to be
• 48:05
  like you're murdering the character.
• 48:08
  Yeah, yeah, Because I really liked him.
• 48:11
  I really liked him. I thought, what a great adoptive
• 48:15
  brother basically, right, Because he's not her real
• 48:17
  brother. What a great brother.
• 48:18
  He's been like he's brought her up.
• 48:20
  He's done such a great job of bringing her up.
• 48:22
  She's such a, she's such a lovely, warm person despite, you
• 48:26
  know, that awful up, you know start of her life.
• 48:30
  And he's like I said, he's got this great relationship with
• 48:32
  Tack and he's like really, you know, he's he's like the
• 48:35
  underdog in the police station. So I was really rooting for him.
• 48:39
  So then in the back of the drama, when he does all these
• 48:41
  things, he's just like what? Why have you done this to this
• 48:47
  character? Because the other thing that
• 48:50
  really annoyed me with him was that he just like he just really
• 48:53
  hated Mooyong to. It was a it was a loathing.
• 48:57
  Yeah, it was a loathing and and I think I under thought, sorry,
• 49:02
  I thought I understood the motives for him hating him so
• 49:05
  much. But then as more stuff gets
• 49:07
  revealed, the more you're, like really puzzled.
• 49:09
  Because thing is like, he feels really sorry for Jinggang
• 49:13
  because of everything that happened with her parents.
• 49:15
  But basically the same thing happened with MU Yong.
• 49:18
  So why do you not feel sorry for him?
• 49:20
  You know, like, it's like he got his life wrecked, you know, for
• 49:23
  no fault of his own. But she deserves, like all of
• 49:27
  the sympathy in the world, and he deserves, like nothing but
• 49:30
  your hatred. I just couldn't.
• 49:33
  He It's uneven, the application of his pity.
• 49:39
  Yeah, it is. And also because he was the one
• 49:42
  responsible for Jin Gang. So she she got an amazing life
• 49:46
  and became the person she was because of him.
• 49:49
  We're sewing guok. He he's like, what would have
• 49:52
  happened to her had she not had him in her life, you know,
• 49:56
  because he had no one in his life.
• 49:58
  And so it's not, it's not surprising he's ended up where
• 50:01
  he's. I mean, if anything, he should
• 50:02
  be congratulated, actually, for being still kind of, like kind
• 50:04
  of sane. But he gets no sympathy, just
• 50:08
  gets stabbed. It's so unhinged.
• 50:12
  So I have here in this review in episode 10.
• 50:17
  So first of all, there's 16 episodes, so this is a little
• 50:19
  little after the halfway point. In episode 10, Jing Kong, which
• 50:24
  is Chung's woman's character, again tells Jinguk, the brother,
• 50:28
  that she won't break up with MU Yong Sawinguk.
• 50:32
  And when the brother starts on another rant to make her feel
• 50:35
  guilty, she unleashes her true feelings about how she's felt,
• 50:38
  suffocated by his mere presence since her adolescence and so
• 50:43
  sorry toward him because she owes him so much.
• 50:47
  Thak later tells her to apologize for hurting his
• 50:51
  feelings, and Jean Kong, Jung Soo Min's character agrees that
• 50:56
  she was in the wrong. And I said in my review what?
• 51:02
  Why is Jing Kong at fault for telling her true feelings and
• 51:06
  saying some hurtful things for a change?
• 51:08
  Jing Cook spouts whatever the hell he wants.
• 51:11
  It's true, Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:14
  And I vaguely remember this. I don't fully remember this part
• 51:17
  in the show, but these feelings that I felt are still there
• 51:22
  where this like unevenness between them, where he can
• 51:29
  basically use her as this emotional battering like a an
• 51:37
  emotional punching bag. That, and also guilt, Alea,
• 51:41
  right? Yeah, she's, you know, he's
• 51:43
  allaying his own guilt. For, for.
• 51:44
  For. For pulling the trigger.
• 51:46
  Yes, but she can't call him on his bullshit and sort of
• 51:52
  question the validity of their relationship.
• 51:56
  Yeah. In fact, she agrees with the
• 52:00
  the, you know, sidekick tack and says, yeah, I do need to
• 52:04
  apologize because I was wrong to to say all this truthful but
• 52:10
  hurtful, hurtful stuff for once in my life.
• 52:14
  And I was like, I don't agree with that at all.
• 52:18
  Yeah, I think it bothered me less because it's probably quite
• 52:20
  a confusion thing. Very good point.
• 52:24
  Because he's because he's our older brother.
• 52:26
  So you you kind of like in a Confucian relationship.
• 52:29
  That's the way it goes. Like your mum can tell you
• 52:32
  whatever the hell she wants about everything that's wrong
• 52:34
  with you, but you can't do that to your mum because she's, you
• 52:37
  know, older in the pecking order than you are.
• 52:39
  And so if you do ever say something that upsets or is too
• 52:45
  truthful and not diplomatic, you are expected to apologize.
• 52:50
  That is the way it goes. You you have to kind of take it.
• 52:53
  That is kind of your role. That's an excellent point.
• 52:58
  And if you haven't listened to, I think it's two episodes right
• 53:03
  now that you guys have out on the Confucianism.
• 53:06
  Yes, yes. On Afternoon to Ask podcast,
• 53:09
  please go and listen to them 'cause they are so informative
• 53:13
  and really fun and entertaining to listen to.
• 53:17
  Thanks. Jess Yeah, I had a great time
• 53:18
  listening to them. So that's a excellent point that
• 53:20
  I'm an international fan and you're of Asian descent.
• 53:24
  So like you have a a different experience to Confucianism than
• 53:27
  I do. And so you probably felt
• 53:29
  differently about this scene in episode 10 and the fallout of
• 53:33
  the scene than I did. Although, although why the fact
• 53:39
  specific thing didn't bug me in that way, I do feel the same way
• 53:42
  as you in that like we're still supposed to celebrate him as a
• 53:45
  really great brother despite the fact that he he doesn't allow
• 53:51
  her to herself really. And she is suffocated and she
• 53:54
  is, she must feel like she's constantly having to be grateful
• 53:59
  to him. Yeah, so, so again, this is that
• 54:03
  kind of thing with this, this unevenness of this drama where,
• 54:07
  you know, like I started to like I started off really liking this
• 54:10
  character and then the back off just began to really just like
• 54:14
  him. And that kind of annoyed me as
• 54:17
  well, because I felt a bit like the drama still wanted me to
• 54:20
  like him. That's a great point, that the
• 54:25
  drama was on his side, the writing, the spirit of the drama
• 54:30
  was on his side, and as an audience member, you're like,
• 54:32
  but why, yeah. But why?
• 54:34
  Because logically. Why doesn't?
• 54:36
  Yeah, so we talked about what Moo Yung so Sewinguk's character
• 54:42
  does vaguely. Do you want to talk about?
• 54:46
  Because I don't remember the details.
• 54:47
  I just remember the broad strokes, what he does to the
• 54:50
  rich girl Sangha. Yeah, I mean he basically, I'm
• 54:54
  not going to go into the detail either because I don't know, I
• 54:57
  don't know that I would be able to do it justice.
• 54:59
  But effectively he decides, I mean, we start off right.
• 55:04
  She's engaged to a really rich Chebol person at the start.
• 55:09
  And he overhears the conversation between them.
• 55:14
  And I think at that point, I guess we he just decides, do you
• 55:18
  know what? Like, I could, I could get this
• 55:20
  Chebol girl. Like I could get her, you know,
• 55:22
  I could get her away from this fiance.
• 55:25
  And he just does his womanizing tricks like he you feel like
• 55:30
  this is not the first time he's done this, you know, he just
• 55:33
  thought it's a challenge to see if I can get her to like me.
• 55:38
  And it was really easy. And I remember one of the things
• 55:44
  like, because I think the drama sets him off as a red flag.
• 55:48
  But you like we discussed right at the start, you want to find
• 55:51
  the reasons why he's a red flag. And you want to find like,
• 55:54
  reasons to sympathize with him and and find the goodness in him
• 55:58
  really early on, right? Like really early on the drama
• 56:01
  does this. And then I remember she's in the
• 56:04
  car and she tells him, I looked up your friend that you said
• 56:10
  went to this college and he's never been there.
• 56:13
  And then Sewing got like, he just, he's been caught out,
• 56:18
  right? He has lied.
• 56:19
  His friend didn't go to college and he's just like, he just
• 56:22
  blinks. He's no reaction whatsoever.
• 56:24
  Like, it's no big. Not only that, but he throws it
• 56:28
  back on us. He gaslights her, basically
• 56:30
  throws it back on her, gaslights her and says you're wrong.
• 56:34
  He does go to that college, he goes to this college, this other
• 56:37
  college. I don't know what the difference
• 56:38
  is, but anyway, he gaslights her and he does it really calmly,
• 56:42
  really cruelly. And I that's like kind of why I
• 56:47
  like the drama. Because it never let me settle
• 56:49
  into deciding whether or not this character, this main lead,
• 56:52
  was somebody I could or could not root for.
• 56:55
  Because all the time they're like wrong footing me because I
• 56:57
  was just like, oh shit, that's a really horrible thing to do.
• 57:00
  Like it's a really psychotic thing to do.
• 57:02
  Like, you know, lie so much and then gaslight her so, so you
• 57:06
  could see also you could really feel like why someone as
• 57:09
  sheltered as her, she's lived such a sheltered upbringing
• 57:12
  would fall so badly for this guy and he was just constantly
• 57:17
  giving her a little bit of rope and then tugging, tugging.
• 57:20
  This is why I said, like, he's a cat with a toy.
• 57:22
  It's like every time she kind of rolled away a little bit, he'd
• 57:24
  be like, I'm going to do a little bit to make you come back
• 57:27
  a little bit and then I'm just going to ignore you again.
• 57:31
  And it was just that constant backwards and forwards and
• 57:33
  backwards and forwards and then in the end they're in this car
• 57:37
  together, right? And it's not completely obvious
• 57:40
  to me that he didn't she she, no, she's not sorry.
• 57:46
  They're not in a car together. They're they're basically,
• 57:48
  they're all involved in the car crash together.
• 57:50
  She's driving like a lunatic and because of him, because of
• 57:56
  emotions that he's wound up in her and she ends up, she
• 58:00
  doesn't, she ends up dying, right?
• 58:02
  She dies. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 58:04
  Yeah, and a lot of it is, you know, because he's been kind of
• 58:09
  puppet stringing how long? I have here, this is my this is
• 58:17
  my review. So I said here song as death I
• 58:22
  this has to do with the specificity here and I was
• 58:24
  wondering if you were going to mention it.
• 58:25
  So hopefully this will trigger something and you'll maybe
• 58:29
  you'll answer this question for me because I it's almost an
• 58:32
  unanswerable question. So I said Sunga's death.
• 58:35
  I couldn't understand the line. Don't get caught.
• 58:39
  Moo Young says this to Sunga and then they immediately crashed.
• 58:43
  Did he say this to her to distract her from driving?
• 58:46
  Did he say this more to himself? Did he tell her this sincerely?
• 58:51
  It was top of mind again when the evil said on the other.
• 58:55
  Like sociopath in the show said she was just tickled by his
• 58:59
  statement when she heard it on the black box footage.
• 59:02
  Why did he even think to tell her in that moment not to get
• 59:05
  caught? What was up with this?
• 59:07
  We'll never be taken alive mentality.
• 59:10
  Am I missing something? So that's it.
• 59:14
  What it What do you think of that?
• 59:16
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 59:17
  What to say? I agree with you.
• 59:19
  I think there was a real ambivalence to what he meant by
• 59:22
  that line. I think it was kind of similar
• 59:25
  to his whole role through the drama, right?
• 59:26
  It's a lot of ambivalence of like, what did you actually
• 59:29
  mean? What did you actually think?
• 59:30
  I mean, for me, I felt like he it was just the final winding
• 59:33
  her up, like keep driving like so fast and erratically.
• 59:39
  Don't you don't? Yeah, in the rain.
• 59:41
  Don't get caught. Like, please keep, Because his
• 59:44
  whole thing, his whole shtick, I think from the beginning was
• 59:46
  like, you're some sheltered rich girl that doesn't know what real
• 59:50
  life is. And so you need to kind of live
• 59:52
  outside of your comfort zone and know what it's like to be in the
• 59:55
  real world. And I felt like that was him
• 59:58
  goading her to just be like, stop being so safe.
• 1:00:01
  Don't be that safe girl again. I know.
• 1:00:04
  Live, live your life. Like take risks.
• 1:00:08
  And that's for me. What?
• 1:00:10
  So that's why that is the most red.
• 1:00:13
  One of the most red flag things he does in the whole drama is
• 1:00:16
  his relationship with her and what he did to her. 100%, Yeah,
• 1:00:20
  100% Because he's not. He doesn't date that girl with
• 1:00:24
  any real sincerity at all. No, not at.
• 1:00:27
  All at all. That's.
• 1:00:28
  And that girl, that that song character that we keep
• 1:00:31
  referencing was Jean Kong's best friend.
• 1:00:36
  Yes, well supposed best friend. Supposed best friend?
• 1:00:39
  Whatever. But she and that girl was likely
• 1:00:43
  infatuated with him. And you know, there's a lot of
• 1:00:46
  stuff that flies in the face of K Drama Rules like Sewing Gook's
• 1:00:50
  character has sex with her and that's like a no no, right
• 1:00:55
  that's kind of edgy in K Drama Land.
• 1:00:58
  And that's way before you know this entire relationship blows
• 1:01:03
  up in their faces with the car crash in the rain.
• 1:01:05
  And obviously MU Young, that character survives.
• 1:01:11
  I say here he signs a non disclosure from her family as
• 1:01:13
  soon as he recovers and easily walks away with some cash.
• 1:01:16
  No remorse, no regret, no mourning.
• 1:01:20
  Like it was nothing for him. And actually also like Ching
• 1:01:25
  Kong as well, like, so I found it really confusing because the
• 1:01:28
  drama seemed to like they were kind of acquaintances.
• 1:01:31
  I thought at the start and then in the middle of the drama when
• 1:01:34
  all this kind of like mini melodrama was happening, they
• 1:01:37
  were supposed to be really good friends.
• 1:01:39
  And then and then it. Was like, what are we?
• 1:01:43
  Yeah, but then she dies, and Ching Kong's not really that.
• 1:01:47
  I felt like she wasn't really that.
• 1:01:48
  Right, right, right. Yeah, it's not that deep.
• 1:01:51
  No. OK, but this whole thing made at
• 1:01:56
  night. My review.
• 1:01:57
  I'd say he was basically a clinical sociopath, and I don't
• 1:02:03
  even think they use that term anymore.
• 1:02:04
  I think they medical professional or, you know,
• 1:02:09
  psycho. Psycho.
• 1:02:11
  What do they call it? Psychiatrist.
• 1:02:13
  Psychiatrists or psychologists or medical professionals, they
• 1:02:17
  use the term antisocial personality disorder and that is
• 1:02:22
  what he had. I feel like some of the
• 1:02:26
  behavioural traits of antisocial personality disorder are
• 1:02:31
  antisocial behaviour, deceitfulness, hostility,
• 1:02:35
  irresponsibility, manipulative, manipulativeness, risk taking
• 1:02:40
  behaviors, aggression, impulsivity, irritability or
• 1:02:43
  lack of restraint. And some of the mood traits are
• 1:02:48
  anger, boredom or general discontent.
• 1:02:52
  And this matches Moo Young to AT.
• 1:02:57
  That is basically his character. That is his character to AT the
• 1:03:02
  first thing that Jean Kong, which is Chung Soman's
• 1:03:08
  character, teaches Mooyong is how to feel and how to be human.
• 1:03:14
  And even despite the fact that he spent his whole life
• 1:03:19
  observing people, he's removed from all of his remote emotions.
• 1:03:24
  And what I say in my review is anything that caught his
• 1:03:28
  interest, he pursued until he got bored again.
• 1:03:31
  And it's a little game he kept playing until Song LA's death,
• 1:03:35
  which is when basically this romance sort of gets going with
• 1:03:40
  him and Jung Selman's character. Yeah, so I, you know, I actually
• 1:03:47
  really. So putting aside the Sungai
• 1:03:49
  thing, which to be fair, the drama makes us do anyway.
• 1:03:52
  So he's like, oh, she's you know that?
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  They're like, we'll close the book on that.
• 1:03:57
  I had to be fair, like I was happy to follow it because I'm
• 1:03:59
  just like, oh, I kind of want to like this guy.
• 1:04:02
  And I can't if I dwell too much on what he did to her anyway.
• 1:04:04
  So I did really like that they went from this really snippy
• 1:04:09
  enemies kind of like relationship to this gradual and
• 1:04:13
  I felt pretty authentic falling for each other.
• 1:04:17
  And although we don't get a lot of, I mean, this is not a
• 1:04:21
  romance drama by any means. Right, I don't consider this
• 1:04:23
  somehow. Yes.
• 1:04:24
  So although we do still get, you know, plenty of their scenes
• 1:04:28
  together and they're really lovely, they're really some of
• 1:04:31
  them are really. It's magical.
• 1:04:33
  Yeah, it is. And they really feel like, I
• 1:04:35
  think you said it earlier, like they're soul connected and they
• 1:04:38
  really made us feel that way and they have some really great skin
• 1:04:41
  ship. It really felt sexy scenes
• 1:04:43
  together. Yes, in a in a way that you
• 1:04:46
  don't even see in today's dramas, I feel.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, I definitely. And actually, for me, of all of
• 1:04:53
  I mean, I've only seen Johnson in in this, and because this is
• 1:04:57
  my first life in the alchemy of soul, I actually feel like this
• 1:04:59
  is her best chemistry and her best sexual chemistry with
• 1:05:02
  somebody. I can agree with that.
• 1:05:04
  I can. I can get behind that statement.
• 1:05:07
  For sure. And I feel like she turned it on
• 1:05:09
  specifically with SO and Gook as well because I also really liked
• 1:05:12
  in contrast because she has this, she dates this other
• 1:05:16
  policeman. Right.
• 1:05:16
  This other policeman called Chorong for a while.
• 1:05:19
  He's he's basically introduced by the brother as another tactic
• 1:05:23
  to try and get her to not. That's right.
• 1:05:26
  That's right. He was like, why don't you,
• 1:05:27
  like, meet this guy instead? And she actually does.
• 1:05:31
  It yes, she does. And they have these dates, but I
• 1:05:34
  love that she has just so zero chemistry with this guy, right?
• 1:05:39
  Zero chemistry whatsoever. There was like, no zinginess.
• 1:05:43
  There's just, it's just beige. And I really liked that
• 1:05:46
  contrast. Like.
• 1:05:47
  I really thought, like, it was really skillful acting on her
• 1:05:51
  heart, on her behalf because you could see the difference in, you
• 1:05:55
  know, how Moo Young made her feel because, you know, whether
• 1:05:58
  she hated him or loved him, he made her feel all the time.
• 1:06:02
  Whereas with the with the other policemen, she's just like she's
• 1:06:06
  just behind, you know, a a glass.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah, she's really polite. Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  She's really like she's not moved at all in either way.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, yes, I said. I'm just like, I can't believe I
• 1:06:22
  wrote this. I said I actually looked at a
• 1:06:26
  non existent camera office style.
• 1:06:30
  When sewing. Good.
• 1:06:31
  Delivered the line. I want to sleep with you.
• 1:06:33
  Yes. Do you remember that line?
• 1:06:37
  OK, OK. What a great like, 'cause they
• 1:06:40
  have sex and their foreplay is super sweet, 'cause they're like
• 1:06:44
  playfully. I could see it in my hand.
• 1:06:47
  They're like sitting on the bed and they're playfully removing
• 1:06:51
  each other's clothes. Yes, yeah.
• 1:06:54
  And it's so there's so much like intimacy and chemistry.
• 1:06:58
  And it's like, it's like you said zinginess between them and
• 1:07:01
  you're just like, this is like amazing.
• 1:07:04
  It's so good. It is, yeah.
• 1:07:09
  So. And then all hell breaks loose.
• 1:07:12
  It does. I can't.
• 1:07:18
  Oh, I have a a nice thought here again because I'm like using me,
• 1:07:25
  my thoughts from five years ago to like power through this.
• 1:07:29
  I apologize. But I also said that MU Young
• 1:07:35
  shows her this family portrait that he drew in crayon as a
• 1:07:39
  child, saying that he imagines himself as a lost boy instead of
• 1:07:43
  an abandoned child. Yes.
• 1:07:46
  And I found so much meaning in that because the distinction was
• 1:07:51
  very poetic to me. I said to shield himself from
• 1:07:54
  further heartbreak. He keeps hoping that he's just
• 1:07:57
  been misplaced, lost, instead of actively abandoned by his
• 1:08:01
  parents, his father especially. And then I'm I start musing at
• 1:08:05
  the end of this and I'm like, damn, I don't know if I can
• 1:08:07
  write that like this now. I say, if he's lost, if he's a
• 1:08:10
  lost boy. Is he the Peter Pan variety?
• 1:08:13
  The ones who have a ton of agency and choose not to be
• 1:08:16
  found? But I digress.
• 1:08:20
  Interesting. Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  So I don't know if you've had any thoughts about the family
• 1:08:25
  portrait and him like shielding himself from a little bit of
• 1:08:30
  that feeling aspect. Definitely.
• 1:08:34
  I mean, I do think that's what the drama, and it had to, in a
• 1:08:37
  way, right? To to keep us in this
• 1:08:39
  ambivalence of wanting to love this male lead but not being
• 1:08:43
  able to love this maldeed was so much about fleshing out that
• 1:08:47
  emotion, that huge emotional crater of a wound that he's
• 1:08:51
  carrying around. And we see this crayon picture a
• 1:08:54
  lot, right? It's used a lot.
• 1:08:56
  It's it's in lots and lots of scenes.
• 1:08:59
  And we are in typical K drama style, but done very well given
• 1:09:05
  lots of partial flashbacks as we piece to, you know, together.
• 1:09:09
  And he pieces together because obviously, as you said, he lost
• 1:09:11
  his memory, his background on what happened and what really
• 1:09:14
  happened. And and I think they do this so
• 1:09:17
  well because they really. Yeah, they really just show what
• 1:09:22
  a broken boy he is. And and I think especially when,
• 1:09:27
  you know, she discovers that his, that, like scabby rooftop
• 1:09:30
  apartment that he lives in has got like, no cooking utensils.
• 1:09:35
  And so then they have this supermarket shopping scene where
• 1:09:38
  she's basically. Just buying stuff, Yeah, and
• 1:09:41
  then you're drogging my memory when?
• 1:09:43
  You, Yeah. And then she says this line
• 1:09:45
  about something like you, you have to have rice in your house,
• 1:09:49
  You have to eat. You know, you have to like home.
• 1:09:53
  Creation of home is about having a home cooked meal and is about
• 1:09:57
  having rice in your ice cooker ready to eat.
• 1:09:59
  And and I think that's the first time he's had a home, right.
• 1:10:05
  So it's really, really, really it just creates such an
• 1:10:10
  emotional feeling in you. And then when they have their
• 1:10:12
  breakup. So you know when he, he says
• 1:10:14
  he's going to split up with her and he does that kind of like
• 1:10:19
  kind of sacrificial thing of like, I'm gonna break up with
• 1:10:21
  you and pretend that I don't love you anymore, but actually
• 1:10:24
  I'm doing it for you type thing. And then he's kind of like in
• 1:10:29
  his apartment, with all the cooking utensils that she
• 1:10:31
  bought, and he just. She's everywhere, yeah.
• 1:10:35
  And you're just like, oh, when you just want to give him a big
• 1:10:37
  hug Because by that point, by that point, you've kind of
• 1:10:40
  forgiven all of his red flagness.
• 1:10:41
  You're just like, he's just a walking emotional wounds.
• 1:10:44
  You're like he couldn't help it. He's like a yellow flag.
• 1:10:47
  Now I maybe, I don't know. So I don't even remember exactly
• 1:10:57
  how the bad guys end up at this Cabin in the Woods type thing at
• 1:11:02
  the end of the show. But they get shot and die
• 1:11:10
  together and that's the ending that we get versus their brother
• 1:11:18
  and sister or some other version that was not written.
• 1:11:28
  And they never get to live the rest of their lives together.
• 1:11:31
  They die where their parents died, and it's just a lot of
• 1:11:38
  like, murder and sociopaths. I'm sorry, antisocial
• 1:11:42
  personality disorder and glimpses of redemption and a
• 1:11:48
  very depressing ending. And I don't know if you had any,
• 1:11:56
  like other thoughts about the ending or any other
• 1:12:00
  clarifications that you wanted to make.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah, yeah, I think, I think for me there.
• 1:12:05
  Were a few things. Like I felt.
• 1:12:07
  I remember when I was watching it feeling like I think as soon
• 1:12:11
  as he shot the rich chaebol sister, that's when I thought
• 1:12:17
  OK, like I had a little bit of hope that there might possibly
• 1:12:21
  be a happy ending for those two. And then when he shot her, I was
• 1:12:25
  like OK that's done. Like, we're not getting one.
• 1:12:28
  And and to be honest, like the post, that post, that scene, the
• 1:12:33
  scene when he's the scene where she's planted the seed, that
• 1:12:36
  Jing Gong is his real sister, are some of the best scenes that
• 1:12:41
  Sewing Book has ever, ever done. Like he is in his rooftop
• 1:12:46
  apartment and he's just broken, devastated.
• 1:12:50
  And so you can kind of see also when she's goading him and
• 1:12:54
  goading him because she, she has a great set of lines, the
• 1:12:58
  chaebol rich sister, where she's really winding him up and then,
• 1:13:02
  you know, obviously ends with a bullet in her.
• 1:13:05
  You can totally see why he got to that point, you know.
• 1:13:09
  So even at that point when you're just like, it's bad, he
• 1:13:13
  shot someone. I think we as the audience were
• 1:13:16
  like, oh, that was your chance. Like you you've now, like, we
• 1:13:22
  totally know why you did this. But now you've lost your chance
• 1:13:25
  at at being with her now, right. This is this kind of, this is
• 1:13:30
  when this kind of heavy cloud of dread started to kind of descend
• 1:13:34
  on the show. And you brought it.
• 1:13:35
  But I remember feeling like right at the end, even when
• 1:13:39
  they're in that cabin and he's already shot this chaebol
• 1:13:42
  sister, and he's like a wanted criminal now.
• 1:13:45
  And there was still like, a little bit of me was like, well,
• 1:13:49
  maybe she could wait for him, like after he gets out of prison
• 1:13:53
  and they're really old and they could finally peak, you know
• 1:13:56
  what I mean? Even then, even then I was like
• 1:13:59
  there was a little bit of me despite, as I said, starting
• 1:14:02
  this drama pretty much thinking there would not be a happy
• 1:14:04
  ending. I think by then I was still even
• 1:14:06
  like, maybe they could. And then cushioning the blow a
• 1:14:09
  bit. Yeah, cushioning the blow.
• 1:14:10
  And then no. We had to have this kind of like
• 1:14:15
  RJ, kind of it. It was very Romeo and.
• 1:14:19
  Giulietti. Yeah, he's died.
• 1:14:21
  Therefore I should die type thing.
• 1:14:23
  Because even then I was like, you don't have to die,
• 1:14:25
  Chinggang. Like you, I I get that you're so
• 1:14:28
  connected with the sky, but you're still, you know, an
• 1:14:33
  independent, feisty woman in your own right.
• 1:14:36
  So that was another thing that I was a bit like, I'm not
• 1:14:39
  convinced she had to die. Like, I felt a bit, oh, sorry.
• 1:14:42
  And then the other thing to remember that Jarred me as well
• 1:14:45
  was that post finding out that Che Boris's rich sister has died
• 1:14:51
  and there's question marks over who killed him.
• 1:14:54
  I remember Xin Gang is like, no, it's not Moo Yong.
• 1:15:00
  It couldn't be Moo Yong. Oh, that's right.
• 1:15:03
  She was like, in denial. Yes, she's in denial, but Gomin
• 1:15:06
  Shi's character. Like Moo Yong's friend, the one
• 1:15:11
  that was also like a fellow psychopathic or sociopath
• 1:15:13
  rather, that both went to this, you know, psychiatrist.
• 1:15:17
  She's basically like, she knows who he is and she gets like that
• 1:15:24
  he could be this person. So then I remember it feeling
• 1:15:27
  like it Jarred a little bit with me because it was a bit like, if
• 1:15:30
  he's someone you love so well, so much and a soul connected
• 1:15:36
  with, like, why do you not also know that this is, this is his
• 1:15:40
  personality too, that he's capable of being this person?
• 1:15:43
  Like, it's like you fell in love.
• 1:15:45
  Did you fall in love with The Mirage?
• 1:15:47
  Like, did you fall in love with somebody that you had made-up in
• 1:15:50
  your mind, actually, that you could be so vehement and adamant
• 1:15:54
  that he did not kill this woman, when clearly throughout the
• 1:15:59
  whole drama we've seen, he could actually totally, completely
• 1:16:03
  murder someone. That is exactly who he is.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, I. I don't know what the answer is,
• 1:16:09
  but I I see where you're coming from that she it's almost like a
• 1:16:15
  disconnect with the character because the character of John
• 1:16:21
  Suman, because someone's character showed her exactly who
• 1:16:27
  he was throughout and there was no question that he could have.
• 1:16:32
  Killed. Someone, I mean, kind of already
• 1:16:36
  did like. Indirectly, right, Right.
• 1:16:39
  And there was like a clean up job.
• 1:16:41
  That he had done earlier in the show as well, like he didn't
• 1:16:44
  murder somebody, but he cleaned it up.
• 1:16:47
  Yes. As what?
• 1:16:49
  Like that was like the. Intro to the whole show and.
• 1:16:52
  It's like, OK, if you can clean up a dead body and stage a
• 1:16:57
  scene. Like you can total stage a scene
• 1:17:00
  to make it look like a suicide. Yeah, yeah, you could.
• 1:17:03
  Totally. Murder somebody dude.
• 1:17:05
  Like that's. She knew all of this and she was
• 1:17:10
  still like, Oh no, I can't be. Him.
• 1:17:12
  No, I just found like, babe, I just just just.
• 1:17:15
  Jarred a little bit for me like I could I could see you know,
• 1:17:19
  like if her character had just been about praying that it
• 1:17:22
  wasn't him praying that, you know it had to do with him like
• 1:17:25
  that I get. But this whole like, oh, it's
• 1:17:27
  not him. He didn't do it thing.
• 1:17:29
  Was it like she was like, too? Sure, it was just.
• 1:17:31
  Yeah, it was just, it just Jarred.
• 1:17:33
  It was like. Do you actually know who you
• 1:17:35
  fall in love with? Because we do.
• 1:17:37
  Yeah. We're we're still cheering.
• 1:17:39
  We're still cheering. You guys on?
• 1:17:41
  But like, we know exactly who he is.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, that's the the. Cabin in the Woods scene is very
• 1:17:48
  heavy. This is basically the last scene
• 1:17:51
  in the whole show. She pleads with him not to kill
• 1:17:54
  himself. She uses herself as leverage,
• 1:17:59
  puts the gun to her own head. He tells her to just go, and I
• 1:18:07
  have here in my review. She says Go where?
• 1:18:11
  And he replies to how it was before me, and she tearfully
• 1:18:16
  says, but you were with me from the beginning, and that I felt
• 1:18:23
  was very heavy. That was very telling that she
• 1:18:26
  almost can't envision herself without him because he was there
• 1:18:29
  always. Yeah, well, she said that quite
• 1:18:32
  a few times. Like, I think when you know,
• 1:18:35
  when her brother Jingle was trying to tell her to not be
• 1:18:38
  with him anymore, she'd said quite a few times.
• 1:18:40
  I'm I can't live without him. I can't live without him.
• 1:18:44
  And you really, really began to feel that.
• 1:18:47
  I think I do, too. Like, I believe her.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah. They did a good job of showing
• 1:18:51
  us why. She felt that way, yeah.
• 1:18:53
  There's like a codependency between them, yeah?
• 1:18:56
  That they develop and then she. Realizes who?
• 1:18:59
  He is. And their history together and
• 1:19:01
  stuff and it just sort of clicks and then they just died.
• 1:19:04
  Like they get killed like the Jiang family henchman secretary
• 1:19:12
  dude, who like, shoots them both dead.
• 1:19:14
  And that's the plot device. That's it.
• 1:19:16
  Like they? Die.
• 1:19:20
  It's just not it's. I don't think that.
• 1:19:23
  I don't think this. Drama's for everybody at all.
• 1:19:27
  I think if you're you know the for for if you're the hometown
• 1:19:31
  Cha cha cha person, don't watch this show at all.
• 1:19:38
  That's not, this is not for you. But if you're the Love Lies girl
• 1:19:44
  or maybe into some tomorrow with you, maybe is is a better, a
• 1:19:52
  little closer in tone to this this show.
• 1:19:56
  This is not light at all. It's definitely a melodrama and
• 1:20:00
  it doesn't have a happy ending. We just said like they die.
• 1:20:03
  It's just it's just tragic. Like they have a tragic back
• 1:20:07
  story. It's it's all the things.
• 1:20:10
  And the guy's toxic. He's a red flag.
• 1:20:13
  He said that over and over again.
• 1:20:15
  It's all the things, but it's incredibly interesting and it's
• 1:20:21
  a lot of K drama. Like this is like a very K drama
• 1:20:27
  Y show. It doesn't have a lot of Western
• 1:20:32
  influence, I would say like a lot of the shows we see today,
• 1:20:38
  OK, this is not a. Netflix output.
• 1:20:42
  At all. Yeah, it's very mellow.
• 1:20:45
  It's. Very mellow.
• 1:20:47
  And. It it just permeates the whole
• 1:20:50
  show. And if that's not your vibe, if
• 1:20:53
  you're a mood watcher, you got to wait, wait until you kind of
• 1:20:56
  feel it to watch this show. But I do feel like there's some
• 1:21:00
  merit in it. I feel like there's something to
• 1:21:03
  it. I feel like there's something
• 1:21:05
  about this pairing and the the machinations and the
• 1:21:12
  relationships of the show are just kind of like you can't look
• 1:21:16
  away at the train wreck of it. So I would.
• 1:21:22
  Recommend it, but it's not for. Everybody.
• 1:21:25
  No, I remember. When I first started it, I'd
• 1:21:30
  have forgotten who it was. Sorry, somebody commented on my
• 1:21:33
  feed and said I love this show but I never recommend this show
• 1:21:42
  because. Because.
• 1:21:44
  Because of what it is. So I'm really looking forward to
• 1:21:47
  seeing how you feel about it. And I remember thinking like,
• 1:21:50
  how does that work? That you would love a show but
• 1:21:53
  you can't ever recommend it. I feel that statement deeply.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, yeah, but. Afterwards I was like, OK, I
• 1:21:59
  totally. Got it.
• 1:22:00
  I get it. I get it.
• 1:22:01
  I get it. I mean, I have.
• 1:22:03
  Actually recommended it, but it's to people.
• 1:22:04
  Whose drama tastes. I know already.
• 1:22:07
  You know like I've. I'm kind of.
• 1:22:08
  I'm feel confident that that they will like what I liked in
• 1:22:12
  it and that would be enough. Absolutely.
• 1:22:15
  Oh my God. It's worth noting I love.
• 1:22:17
  Angsty shows, and so do you. Yes, yes, we're angsty bitches.
• 1:22:22
  So this. Was like kind of in our
• 1:22:25
  wheelhouse. OK, if you're not an angsty
• 1:22:28
  person in any way, shape or form, this ain't for you.
• 1:22:31
  No, this is super angst in fact, actually.
• 1:22:34
  Right. So I actually went on a Reddit
• 1:22:36
  thread. Oh no.
• 1:22:38
  Of somebody? No, no, no.
• 1:22:39
  It was. It was for.
• 1:22:40
  Drama. If it was drama, Rex.
• 1:22:41
  So it was like, can someone recommend me an angsty drama?
• 1:22:45
  And then literally about 10 replies in a row was smilers
• 1:22:48
  left your eyes. It's perfect.
• 1:22:52
  I was like just a ticket. Yes, it's so true.
• 1:22:56
  It is full on, Full on. Angst.
• 1:22:58
  Well, it's. Full on.
• 1:22:59
  Angst there I. Mean there was a there was a
• 1:23:02
  chance that they could be brother and sister.
• 1:23:04
  It doesn't end up happening in this show, but in the J drama.
• 1:23:07
  Lo and behold there. If there's incestuous in there.
• 1:23:12
  Not in this version, though, no, if that.
• 1:23:15
  If that's your ick, it's not in here, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:20
  And then if it is then. Jay drama is where to go.
• 1:23:22
  And then they watch a dray drama.
• 1:23:24
  Yeah, yeah. Where?
• 1:23:25
  It would logically make more sense, right?
• 1:23:28
  Right. Anyway, I think I've come to the
• 1:23:31
  end of like, my memory and the end of what I had in my original
• 1:23:36
  blog review. So I guess that's the end of my
• 1:23:39
  notes. Do you have anything else you'd
• 1:23:41
  like to add about? The smile has left your eyes
• 1:23:43
  before we get out of here. No, I think that's I got to wrap
• 1:23:47
  it up as. Well, yeah.
• 1:23:48
  OK, perfect. I'm so glad we.
• 1:23:49
  Got to go through everything with as much detail as we could.
• 1:23:53
  And if you have anything else you'd like to say, if you're
• 1:23:57
  listening to this and you're like, they didn't talk about
• 1:23:58
  this, I swear to God, we just didn't remember it, OK?
• 1:24:02
  It's just the fact, the simple fact that a lot of things just
• 1:24:05
  didn't line up and we didn't remember.
• 1:24:09
  OK, I'm sorry, but feel free to reach out to us, OK?
• 1:24:14
  Reach out to us. I'm more than willing to look
• 1:24:17
  things up and actually read the recaps after the fact.
• 1:24:20
  I don't give a shit. I'll do whatever I can to to
• 1:24:23
  appease you guys. I feel terrible that I couldn't
• 1:24:27
  do the homework, basically for the assignment.
• 1:24:29
  I don't know. I feel like you're, you're,
• 1:24:32
  you're. I think you do feel bad about
• 1:24:33
  doing it, but I do think we've kind of done most of it justice.
• 1:24:36
  I do think I am OK. I think anything that we didn't.
• 1:24:40
  Cover would have been. Kind of smaller details.
• 1:24:43
  That's what I feel like anyway. Perfect.
• 1:24:45
  Perfect. Hopefully.
• 1:24:47
  That's how. Hopefully that's how people
• 1:24:49
  feel. Sarah, where can people find you
• 1:24:53
  online? So I'm on Instagram at K Drama.
• 1:24:56
  This and I Co host a podcast afternoon at Asks.
• 1:25:00
  So we're at afternoon asks on Instagram and on Twitter.
• 1:25:06
  And yeah, check us out. So we are actually, we're going
• 1:25:09
  to slightly drop a new Confucian episode on My Dearest Suit.
• 1:25:15
  So that was a ton of fun. Oh my grace, yeah, we just
• 1:25:20
  really picked that drama apart. It was so fun.
• 1:25:22
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  was a really good episode. Oh, thank you, thank you.
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  So I can't wait to listen to that.
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  press play. Absolutely.
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  I think that's it. That's been our show.
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  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambles podcast.
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