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C's Get Degrees · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: So 29 of I hate Talking.
• 0:31
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone, or is it 28?
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: No, 29, 2, right?
• 0:37
  I Hate Talking: I think we can count.
• 0:39
  I Hate Talking: Oh no.
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  I Hate Talking: 29.
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  I Hate Talking: 2.
• 0:42
  I Hate Talking: So today's word or phrase of the episode is accouterment.
• 0:49
  I Hate Talking: Oh, so fancy.
• 0:50
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- what do you think that means?
• 0:52
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK, I've heard the word before, so let me try to think about it in a sentence.
• 0:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess I would think like.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: Um, I don't know why I whispered it in my head I'm trying to picture it out.
• 1:08
  I Hate Talking: Um, if I had to guess, I would say it would mean something like, Yeah, just fancy like uh.
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  I Hate Talking: An upright person or successful or, yeah, like a proud individual or a thing.
• 1:25
  I Hate Talking: So, that's part of the reason that we're doing this word or phrase because this came up as we were discussing synonyms or other things that are related to accomplishments or getting to a certain stage or achieving a certain achievement, but accouterment actually has to do with typically military.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: Where it is some extra equipment that is carried by a soldier or some other.
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  I Hate Talking: Person of particular military service or even police force or security guard other than their basic uniform and weapon.
• 2:02
  I Hate Talking: So I was very much.
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  I Hate Talking: It is additional equipment essentially carried by these people with particular roles.
• 2:11
  I Hate Talking: Can you use it in a sentence?
• 2:13
  I Hate Talking: So perhaps maybe what you're thinking of is that there is accoutrementt used in terms of just everyday usage as like an extra thing or a fancy thing.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: Uh, typically this would be used when referring to some sort of food or recipe where an accoutrement is used to add variety, texture, or contrast to a meal.
• 2:38
  I Hate Talking: So it could be something.
• 2:39
  I Hate Talking: That is like an extra sauce or a condiment or even like a garnish, uh, it could be accoutrement in a food dish.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: Sorry, I got excited, but yes, that's like what I'm, that's what I'm picturing like putting that garnish on.
• 2:52
  I Hate Talking: OK, go on.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: So that is perhaps uh what you uh thinking in your mind in terms of something that is fancy or uh special for a particular thing.
• 3:06
  I Hate Talking: Uh, it also can be used in terms of religious rituals, so accouterments of religious rituals in terms of special dress or equipment or other items that are used for said rituals.
• 3:21
  I Hate Talking: So, are these, um, going back to the purpose of the word, the original, is it, um, like you were saying it's military equipment.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: So is this like extra that is super helpful, but not Necessary, like the garnish is helpful and enjoyable, but not necessary for the dish.
• 3:43
  I Hate Talking: So I think it would still be necessary or at least important.
• 3:49
  I Hate Talking: So it comes from the French for autra, which is clothing or equipment, so it is special in nature.
• 3:59
  I Hate Talking: There is special clothing or equipment.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: As it has come to be used as the word accouterment, but it is still necessary or important.
• 4:08
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so, you know, scrolling through some of these examples, there are maybe perhaps examples where you would have a soldier that has their base uniform and weapons, but that perhaps there are people that have additional duties such as being placed within the garrison or particular ceremonial duties that they require.
• 4:31
  I Hate Talking: Extra things that are necessary for their duties that are regarded as accouterments.
• 4:37
  I Hate Talking: OK, cool.
• 4:38
  I Hate Talking: So, on to what we're trying to get at when we're talking about words or phrases for this particular episode, accomplishments.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, well, I was thinking about it because, as we talked about recently, when you did a Spartan race, chose not to complete it, so that you could be present and available for our children, so that they could do their race.
• 5:06
  I Hate Talking: And I was just thinking about that sometimes it's more valuable to not do something, or um give up something, or to do something not perfect, not successfully, that the outcome sometimes is better not to.
• 5:27
  I Hate Talking: And I feel like you would strongly disagree with that.
• 5:29
  I Hate Talking: I feel like you strive to do things.
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  I Hate Talking: As successfully as possible.
• 5:35
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 5:37
  I Hate Talking: I do strive to do things as well as I can do them.
• 5:41
  I Hate Talking: Nearly all the time and we may have even touched on that a little bit in our very first episodes in terms of perhaps some of the overlapping characteristics of certain personality types where I will fall into that, uh, what is commonly referred to as a perfectionist category where I will want everything to be perfect and put in a lot of effort and strive to either meet a particular.
• 6:12
  I Hate Talking: Threshold Or finish something in a way that I consider to be the best way to do things.
• 6:21
  I Hate Talking: Right, but I'm glad that you didn't.
• 6:26
  I Hate Talking: Insist on perfection for the Spartan race because our kids would have not had you there to help them and cheer them on.
• 6:36
  I Hate Talking: Had you strive for personal perfection.
• 6:39
  I Hate Talking: That is true, and that is something that I wrestled with out on the course on whether I would.
• 6:45
  I Hate Talking: Finish the course and get a completion on my record or if I would forego that and skip the race and make it to the kids race on time because I certainly knew that those were mutually exclusive at that point in time.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: There was too much race left and not enough time.
• 7:11
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and I'm thankful for what you chose and um.
• 7:18
  I Hate Talking: So, I think that there's value sometimes in not completing something or putting the value in something else other than the task.
• 7:28
  I Hate Talking: And whether it was just some form of rationalization.
• 7:33
  I Hate Talking: Either real or perceived, I did finish the race in a way that I found acceptable.
• 7:41
  I Hate Talking: So like I said in the last episode.
• 7:44
  I Hate Talking: I did not go from that point in the race immediately to the finish line or immediately to.
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  I Hate Talking: A different part of the venue, but I did cut off part of the course and still did a number of obstacles that I did feel that I had enough time to do.
• 8:05
  I Hate Talking: And also that was part of the quintessential Spartan experience, that being the rolling mud and dunk wall and slip wall and fire jump.
• 8:15
  I Hate Talking: And at the end of the course declined the medal because again, I did not feel that I had earned that medal because of the conditions described in terms of that decision.
• 8:27
  I Hate Talking: More than a physical medal, the benefits, what ended up happening definitely outweigh.
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  I Hate Talking: What the task was.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: And I think um sometimes that can be hard because at least for me, I'm like, oh, if I can't do it well.
• 8:45
  I Hate Talking: Like, should we even bother doing it?
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  I Hate Talking: But sometimes just the experience of doing it, beneficial, or just being willing to put your personal goals aside for the sake of other people.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: I think is extremely valuable occasionally.
• 9:01
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 9:03
  I Hate Talking: And yep, it is some form of cost benefit analysis like I guess all things are in terms of what you are trading off by either not doing something or maybe perhaps not doing something as well as it could be done or doing something as well as it could be done and not doing something else.
• 9:24
  I Hate Talking: So, what is your opinion then?
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  I Hate Talking: On the phrase Cs get degrees.
• 9:33
  I Hate Talking: So the thought process behind it is that your employer won't ask what your GPA was.
• 9:44
  I Hate Talking: They're going to see that you got your degree, and that's all that counts.
• 9:49
  I Hate Talking: I feel like you might fundamentally disagree with that.
• 9:52
  I Hate Talking: Fundamentally, yes.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: Completely, perhaps not.
• 9:58
  I Hate Talking: I think in this specific instance, the degree is the primary thing that a potential employer will look at as a first time workforce person, uh, whether that be, you know, out of college or, uh, higher degrees or whatever the case may be.
• 10:17
  I Hate Talking: I think once you're already in the workforce, right, a lot of the preponderance of the evaluation is gonna be given to recent job history.
• 10:24
  I Hate Talking: And things of that nature, but as a first time.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: Workforce person or a.
• 10:32
  I Hate Talking: As a first job coming out of college, uh, the degree will be the primary thing.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: The reason that I don't wholeheartedly agree with it is because I think that uh potential employers will look at a GPA or extracurricular activities or even what your particular field is and things of that nature when looking at whether you're a right fit as the candidate.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: Right, they might.
• 10:59
  I Hate Talking: I think um I remember in my experience, some people being afraid to get internships and jobs, but yeah, especially internships, because they needed to focus on their studying.
• 11:13
  I Hate Talking: And I felt like that was difficult because at least in my, in my profession, we had to do internships, and they valued like your boots on the ground, um, experience with people more than how well you could write a paper.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: I know my experience is a little different in that.
• 11:32
  I Hate Talking: Some emphases might value.
• 11:34
  I Hate Talking: Uh, the GPA more, or how well you write a paper.
• 11:39
  I Hate Talking: But for mine, it definitely valued like in grad school, applying for grad schools and stuff, they valued your internships and how much time you spent in the workforce.
• 11:50
  I Hate Talking: I think that's a bit different in my profession that is more mathematical and engineering related where the Quantitative metrics are more valued perhaps because the people doing the evaluation are more quantitatively minded, but nonetheless, the GPAs as well as the extracurricular activities, uh, so whether that be an internship or a senior project or even volunteering opportunities, uh, were also evaluated as part of that candidacy.
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: How much of it do you think is personality dependent or um how much of it is like a values versus personality?
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: Like somebody can.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: Uh, take it into the other extreme, say you're at an amusement park.
• 12:44
  I Hate Talking: And we're waiting in line.
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  I Hate Talking: And then somebody in front of us is waiting as well, and then their friends come and they let them in.
• 12:53
  I Hate Talking: And they're like, well, we were waiting over there in the shade instead of standing in line.
• 12:59
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, they may have taken similar amount of time, possibly, but they weren't doing the quote unquote, hard work.
• 13:08
  I Hate Talking: And still got the same outcome as we did.
• 13:11
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think there's a lot to be said about.
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  I Hate Talking: Equality and equity and in that scenario, neither are present.
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  I Hate Talking: Because even if they were waiting, they still had an easier time waiting in the shade versus, I guess the opposite was the uh waiting in the sun, right?
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  I Hate Talking: So, They still received the same reward for less.
• 13:39
  I Hate Talking: Effort And I don't think that is necessarily quote unquote fair.
• 13:45
  I Hate Talking: But if they did not receive the same reward, because they had an easier time.
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  I Hate Talking: Would they then feel slighted by that particular situation?
• 13:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, possibly, and.
• 14:00
  I Hate Talking: It's hard cause from my outside view, I could get grumpy at them that I did the work waiting.
• 14:08
  I Hate Talking: And they did not do as much.
• 14:11
  I Hate Talking: But I also don't know what's going on in their personal lives.
• 14:14
  I Hate Talking: I don't know physically, maybe they can't be in the sun, maybe they have medicine.
• 14:18
  I Hate Talking: They're taking that.
• 14:20
  I Hate Talking: could be harmful if they're in the sun.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: Maybe there is um A genetic or muscle disorder or anything, anything like that.
• 14:30
  I Hate Talking: That, um, like you were saying about the difference between equity and equality, it may have been harder for them than it was for me, even.
• 14:41
  I Hate Talking: It very well could be.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: And in this hypothetical situation, I don't know if I would really care all that much because it's only going to be a slight inconvenience, so maybe an additional 60 seconds or something.
• 14:52
  I Hate Talking: Um, I think that the, when you expand that to something.
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  I Hate Talking: With maybe like a 4 year college degree where you're putting in a lot more time and effort and there's some form of inequality or inequity, then perhaps I would be more concerned with that particular scenario.
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: OK, so bumping up the scenario then.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: Hypothetically, what if you are, I'm not thinking of any specific scenario, so no one jump on this.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: But what if you've been working on something?
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  I Hate Talking: For a while, lots of hours after work hours, sacrifice in a way cause you're not doing things you enjoy or leisurely doing things.
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: And then somebody jumps in at the very end, and they get the same amount of praise.
• 15:43
  I Hate Talking: Maybe they join the team later and get the same reward.
• 15:48
  I Hate Talking: It would definitely depend on a whole variety of different variables, but in this again, hypothetical scenario.
• 15:55
  I Hate Talking: I would either Learn from that particular thing and perhaps protect the work that I'm doing in such a fashion that others would not be able to lay claim to it, or I would have already done that.
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  I Hate Talking: Based on knowing that that could happen, so that they would not receive that particular reward.
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  I Hate Talking: Or perhaps If I receive the reward and the compensation and the.
• 16:25
  I Hate Talking: Recognition for what I did.
• 16:28
  I Hate Talking: I would be hopefully happy with that and not necessarily worry about the other person's.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: Reward and recognition.
• 16:39
  I Hate Talking: Albeit unfairly earned.
• 16:42
  I Hate Talking: OK, I wasn't thinking of anything specific for you, but um, Years ago, I had this situation.
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  I Hate Talking: Where I was in a group of people I didn't know, we were uh gonna be in the group together for a while, but it was like one of our first interactions.
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  I Hate Talking: And I answered a question that was given.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: In my small group, And then somebody in my small group took it.
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  I Hate Talking: And uh, gave it to the whole group, and they got lots of praise, and it was really frustrating at the time for my heart, because I was like, wait.
• 17:18
  I Hate Talking: You're acting like this was your idea when you actually pushed back against me when I said it.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: Like, I had to check my heart cause I kept finding myself irritated about this, that she got this praise when she actually questioned me on what I was saying initially.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: But months later, she actually said something else to me about how much she valued my humility.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: And I, it was that in itself was humbling.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: I was actually pretty resentful that she got the praise for my idea.
• 17:52
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps in that, maybe even Brings to mind some basic beliefs that I hold that.
• 18:00
  I Hate Talking: If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself and uh having a very low trust in others to behave in an ethical manner, um, from the start, right?
• 18:15
  I Hate Talking: Once they earn trust and that will be given accordingly, but at the outset, having very low trust of others.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: In terms of ethics, because you don't know how they're gonna behave and they may try to usurp some of the work or effort that I may have done and claim it as their own.
• 18:34
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that makes sense, but it also feels like a sad way to live.
• 18:39
  I Hate Talking: Just going back to my um optimism.
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: That I want people to all get along and think the best of them, where you would instantly.
• 18:50
  I Hate Talking: Be more guarded when you meet someone.
• 18:52
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think that's a callback to our conversation on Whether you're an optimist or a pessimist or a realist.
• 19:01
  I Hate Talking: Again, I wish that we all were realists, but that's not realistic.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: Or I think I am a realist.
• 19:10
  I Hate Talking: In the fact that I am a pessimist.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: So would you then have a struggle with The bare minimum, so we don't.
• 19:21
  I Hate Talking: You've said that you would rather do it yourself.
• 19:25
  I Hate Talking: Or you're gonna initially think that it Better to do it yourself because other people aren't trusted, or they might not do it well or properly.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: Is there ever a point that it's better than just to Either not do it at all.
• 19:44
  I Hate Talking: Or to accept that it's gonna be done poorly, but it's gonna get done.
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 19:52
  I Hate Talking: I think there has to be.
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: A lot of different things considered, cause there may be.
• 19:59
  I Hate Talking: In some instances where you're attempting to do something over and over again and it's just not working, that you need to have wisdom to either try something different or even give up altogether or try something in a different path, as well as Meet the standards of.
• 20:22
  I Hate Talking: Not necessarily my standards, but maybe the standards of particular customer.
• 20:28
  I Hate Talking: Uh, the person that's asking for something or the one that's going to be receiving this that they have lower standards than my own standards and that would be sufficient for that particular thing.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and it makes me even think of hard parenting thing, right, is when the kids are little, giving them chores to do.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: And knowing it, it's either taking a whole lot longer.
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: Then if I just did it myself, or it's not done super well.
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: But the hope is that by relinquishing some of that control and perfectionism, that eventually it will get done by someone other than me.
• 21:12
  I Hate Talking: And that this is gonna be playing the lawn game versus the immediate action right now.
• 21:20
  I Hate Talking: Yep, and I think that's a great endeavor.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: Uh, and again, there's gonna have to be decision making because sometimes there are things that are going to have to be done and you can't wait because time is running out, but that in some some instances, perhaps you do have the time to do that and that would be a very good thing to do in those particular instances.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: So, the other part of the phrase, C's get degrees, is the final part of the phrase A's get paid.
• 21:52
  I Hate Talking: So your thoughts on that?
• 21:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that's striving to do it well.
• 21:58
  I Hate Talking: In the long term outcome, your employers will see that you have that you excel, or that you don't give up easy, or that you don't accept.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: mediocre.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: No one wants to buy a product that's mediocre, and nobody wants an employee that's gonna do the bare minimum, or, you know, when you're eating a burger, you don't go to a restaurant like A second time with that burger was mediocre or just OK.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: Sometimes you do, right?
• 22:34
  I Hate Talking: Like, if you're going to McDonald's because it's the drive-through and you're hungry and you don't have other options right now, that's one thing.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: But if you're gonna go sit down at a restaurant, If you're like, oh, I just paid $15 for this meal, and it wasn't even that good, you're probably not gonna go back.
• 22:51
  I Hate Talking: So I think if you Conversely, if you go and you're like, this meal was amazing, I can't wait to come back next week, and the following.
• 23:03
  I Hate Talking: So I think that getting A's, um, striving for excellence often will Have a positive outcome in the end.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: So in other words, what you're saying is in order to achieve a binary pass fail, yes, no, do the minimum required to achieve that particular level, but when it comes to more qualitative things in nature from either mediocrity versus excellence, you should strive for excellence.
• 23:35
  I Hate Talking: I think so.
• 23:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 23:37
  I Hate Talking: What do you think?
• 23:37
  I Hate Talking: Cause I feel like that's Not that I feel like that's how I lived my life or still do, probably.
• 23:44
  I Hate Talking: But I remember I'd look at like my school syllabuses and be like, oh, I don't need to read this book.
• 23:50
  I Hate Talking: I don't have to do that, especially if it's a pass fail, I definitely didn't try as hard as if it was a major course with a large outcome.
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps, and I think that is our takeaway for this episode.
• 24:07
  I Hate Talking: If it's a binary grading scale, do the minimum required to achieve that binary outcome in the positive, and if it's on a sliding scale, do all that's in your power to be excellent.
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: So there you have it.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.