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Middle school girl lured online raped, choked-collared. Cyber Crimes: 'Don't Be A Victim' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, when you're a
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Speaker 1: child is on a playground or a ball filled or
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Speaker 1: a park, you can watch them. If some perv comes
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Speaker 1: up to them, you can totally tackle them at the
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Speaker 1: knees and take them down right. But the new playground,
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Speaker 1: the new ball filled, the new park is on line
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Speaker 1: and it's not so easy. Don't be a victim fighting
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Speaker 1: back against America's crime wave. It took me over two
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Speaker 1: years to research and write this book for you, for
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Speaker 1: you and your children. My proceeds are going to the
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Speaker 1: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. And that's not
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Speaker 1: what this book is about. This book is to help
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Speaker 1: you to arm you with knowledge to save your life
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Speaker 1: or your children's lives. I go straight into cyber threats
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Speaker 1: to protect your children. First of all, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this well. On New Year's Day two thousand and two,
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Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, I walked outside to meet this
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Speaker 1: person who I thought was my friend. Just than giving
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Speaker 1: me him for a couple of minutes, I really think
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say him, Will he show up?
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Speaker 1: Say hi? Driving through tone, what she does remember is
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Speaker 1: slipping out her front door into the bitter coal of
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Speaker 1: January night my intuition and said, Alicia, you need to
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Speaker 1: go home. This is really dangerous. What are you doing?
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Speaker 1: And I went to turn around and I heard my
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Speaker 1: name being called. The next thing I knew was in
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Speaker 1: a car and this man was squeezing my hand so tightly,
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Speaker 1: and he was barking commands at me, be good, be quiet.
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Speaker 1: The trunks cleaned out for you. He drove me about
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Speaker 1: five hours from my Pittsburgh home to his house in Virginia,
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Speaker 1: where I was held captive in his basement dungeon. He
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Speaker 1: kept me chained to the floor by a locking dog
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Speaker 1: collar and I was reaped and beaten and tortured. I
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Speaker 1: wasn't fed, and he also broke my nose. At the time,
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Speaker 1: Alicia was just a little girl, but she survived and
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Speaker 1: she's joining us today. She was targeted by a cyber
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Speaker 1: child predator. With me an all star panel to break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. How can
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Speaker 1: you keep your children safe from a threat you can't
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Speaker 1: even see? With me, Alicia kozy Kevitz, you can find
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Speaker 1: her at Alicia kozat with kay dot com to Tanya Jordan.
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Speaker 1: She is the CMO Chief Marketing officer of Bark, which
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Speaker 1: we use in our home. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: juvenile expert, anchor Court TV at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: Detective Rich with Stocky his new website, cyber Apparenting Dash
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Speaker 1: one O one dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a brand new series Poisonous Liaisons
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Speaker 1: on the True Crime Network, and with Me Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot com. Investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie. But first to Alicia
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Speaker 1: Kesey Kevitz. Alicia, I can't thank you enough for joining
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Speaker 1: us because I know how painful. Actually I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to know, but I can imagine
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Speaker 1: how painful it is for you to talk about Scott
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Speaker 1: Tyree and what happened to you. And I know the
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Speaker 1: only reason you do it is to save other children's lives.
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Speaker 1: How did Tyree worm into your world as a little girl? Well,
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Speaker 1: this was back in two thousand and one, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two, and the Internet was really quite new in
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Speaker 1: people's homes, and because of that, my parents didn't know
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Speaker 1: the dangers They talk to me about stranger danger, but
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Speaker 1: that didn't work in the online world, because that's where
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Speaker 1: I was talking to all of my friends from school,
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Speaker 1: who would introduce me to their friends and then their friends,
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Speaker 1: and we spent an amount of time in chat rooms,
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Speaker 1: and soon I was talking to people I didn't really
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Speaker 1: know all that well, but it could all be traced back,
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Speaker 1: so it felt connected and I felt safe. I was
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Speaker 1: in my home and nothing and no one had ever
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Speaker 1: hurt me there before. And in this chat room, somebody
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Speaker 1: messaged to me who I thought was a boy around
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Speaker 1: my own age, and I had believed, because I was
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Speaker 1: who I said I was, that this person would be
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Speaker 1: who they said they were. And that is naive, yes,
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Speaker 1: but kids are naive. Kids believe. And I grew up
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Speaker 1: in a bubble. A lot of people have this idea
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Speaker 1: that things only bad things only happened to kids from
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Speaker 1: broken families or troubled families or troubled children, and I
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Speaker 1: grew up in this fantasy bubble. We had our issues
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Speaker 1: as a family, but a really typical average family in
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Speaker 1: most people's minds, and what a predator is looking for
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Speaker 1: is a vulnerability, and it may seem what vulnerability would
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Speaker 1: I have. I had a happy childhood. Well, all children
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Speaker 1: are vulnerable. Kids can be one day on top of
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Speaker 1: the world and so excited, and then the next day
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Speaker 1: they get a bad grade, or their crush has no
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Speaker 1: interest in them, or they get in a fight with
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Speaker 1: their friends, and now they feel awful. And what a
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Speaker 1: predator does is they wash over those insecurities and make
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Speaker 1: a child feel beautiful and important and special and unique.
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Speaker 1: And that's what this person did to me. They groomed me.
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Speaker 1: Well you know what it's called grooming. As Alicia Kasey
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Speaker 1: Kevin's is just pointing out, she survived being kidnapped and tortured.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. When she was only three, she was groomed,
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Speaker 1: lurd and abducted by an internet predator, Scott Tyree, who
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Speaker 1: kidnapped me and held me captive in his basement dungeon,
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Speaker 1: and he was going to kill me, her disappearance setting
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Speaker 1: off a massive four day nationwide search. While Tyree kept
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Speaker 1: Alicia chained to the floor at his home in Virginia,
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Speaker 1: he had been live streaming what he was doing to
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Speaker 1: me online and they turned on the computer and there
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Speaker 1: I was on the screen with my hands bound above
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Speaker 1: my head. Crying, bleeding, begging, bruised. In between the beatings
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Speaker 1: and the raping, he will hang you by your arms.
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Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, she testified in Congress in
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Speaker 1: support of legislation intended to prevent cyber crimes against children
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Speaker 1: and the increasing amount of photos and videos of child abuse.
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Speaker 1: Support The children saved us from pedophiles, the pornographers, the monsters.
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Speaker 1: The bill passed in the House and the Senate. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you were hearing John Crisos at kgmy thirteen. Alicia lived
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Speaker 1: to tell her story. And you know it's gotta be
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Speaker 1: bad when the kidnapper sends her photo to another pedophile
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Speaker 1: and he feels so bad about it he calls the FBI.
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Speaker 1: But listen to Alicia with Sarah Dan at KIMT three,
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Speaker 1: there's no words subscribe the terror and the pain and
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Speaker 1: the loss of self and hopelessness that you can feel
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Speaker 1: on that situation. On the fourth day, Tyree told her
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Speaker 1: they would be taking a ride later and left for work.
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Speaker 1: Little did Alicia know the FBI was at work looking
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Speaker 1: for her. Later that day, agents finally found her chained
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Speaker 1: up in her abductor's bedroom. All these agents rushed in
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Speaker 1: and they cut that collar from around my neck and
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Speaker 1: they set me free. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about how you can keep your children safe.
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Speaker 1: Don't be a victim, fighting back against America's crime wave.
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Speaker 1: To Alicia cosey Kevitz, who is with us now, Alicia,
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Speaker 1: you were lulled into a seeming friendship with a guy
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Speaker 1: who purported to be your age and be your friend,
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Speaker 1: and when you stepped out, as you have said so poignantly,
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Speaker 1: between dinner and dessert, he kidnapped you. You thought you
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Speaker 1: were meeting a little boy your age. It was a
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Speaker 1: grown man. And not only that, isn't it true, Alicia,
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Speaker 1: that he had been released from prison on parole without
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Speaker 1: his other victim? No? Yes, I was not made aware
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Speaker 1: until I received a message from a reporter in Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: who had basically said, are you aware that so and so?
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Speaker 1: I don't never say his name, it's too painful, but
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Speaker 1: was released from prison. Is now living in Pittsburgh in
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Speaker 1: a halfway house. Incredible from your parents house. Incredible that
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Speaker 1: what happened? Join me to Detective rich with Stocky at
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Speaker 1: cyber Parenting dash one O one dot com way in so, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's so incredible these days, especially with online learning, that
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Speaker 1: parents need to understand in the days of kids having
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Speaker 1: their own devices now not just a computer in the
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Speaker 1: family room, The biggest mistake parents make right now is
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Speaker 1: allowing their children to have their devices in their rooms
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Speaker 1: at night. When you allow your child to have their
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Speaker 1: device in rooms at night, they feel empowered, like much
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Speaker 1: like Alicia did. They feel that nothing could happen to them,
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Speaker 1: that your stuff happens somewhere else. The next premise that
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Speaker 1: parents have to understand is that there's no such thing
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Speaker 1: as privacy for children. That they buy their kid the device,
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Speaker 1: they are the ones that provide the service, and if
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Speaker 1: they're not monitoring remotely, like having things like bark on
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Speaker 1: the device. It's not that we have bad kids, but
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Speaker 1: it's these outside influences that can get to your child
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Speaker 1: late at night when their inhibitions are lowered and they
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Speaker 1: feel empowered, and that's how our kids get victimized. But
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Speaker 1: it starts with the parents and having great technology talks
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Speaker 1: with our children. A furnitor will hang out in chat
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Speaker 1: rooms where children of the age he is targeting also
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Speaker 1: hang out like just Talk, House, Party, Kick, any number
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Speaker 1: of chat apps. He will pretend to be a child
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Speaker 1: similar age to you're a child. He will take on
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Speaker 1: a believable child identity, complete with a name description, school, fool, family,
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Speaker 1: likes and dislikes. Create a rapport with your child. He
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Speaker 1: will like what she likes. He will be involved and
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Speaker 1: what she is involved. Maybe it's American Girl, Makeovers, Fortnite,
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Speaker 1: robe blots, Minecraft or soccer. He suddenly is interested in
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Speaker 1: what your child is interested in, and then they have
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Speaker 1: a commonality. I mean, you know, I'm gonna go to
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Speaker 1: our friend from Bark. But first, Ashley Wilcott not only
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Speaker 1: is she a judge, a trial lawyer, and anchor at
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Speaker 1: Court TV, she has a daughter. You know, Ashley does
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Speaker 1: your daughter? I'll stepping up when you look at her phone?
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, stiffen up you and I know there
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Speaker 1: was a recent incident with her phone that I can
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Speaker 1: share with all your listeners. And let me just say this,
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Speaker 1: stipping up. She hates it. And guess what, we don't care.
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Speaker 1: Duke and I both look at her phone, see what
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Speaker 1: she's doing, see who she's texting, And let me say this,
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Speaker 1: She's a pretty good kid. But she's twelve. She's already
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Speaker 1: made some fast she's great, She's made some bad decisions.
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Speaker 1: So Nancy, why because their brains and people out there
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Speaker 1: who will take advantage are you very bad combination and
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Speaker 1: can make them a potential target? Well, are you gonna
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Speaker 1: tell what happened? NaN's degree? Okay, now wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: let's just be real. You've got the Kardashian shooting birds
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Speaker 1: You've got? Wasn't that Bella Hadid the other day was
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Speaker 1: shooting a bird at the cops in her two thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars designer outfit. So problem a little unnamed girl maybe
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Speaker 1: took a shot of herself shooting a bird. And I
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Speaker 1: feel really bad because as I was snooping through my
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Speaker 1: daughter's phone and she gets tall, like, why are you
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Speaker 1: looking at my phone? Mom? And I'm like, because I
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Speaker 1: pay for to show on my phone. It just happens
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Speaker 1: to be in your hands most of the time. I
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Speaker 1: tell it, I actually saw the picture. But let me
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Speaker 1: say this, because my daughter is in the picture and
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Speaker 1: she's doing the double peace sign, and I saw B
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Speaker 1: I R D or is it B Y R D? Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm sure Ashley has this
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Speaker 1: totally under control, so I'm not getting up in this
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Speaker 1: little did. I find out like a month later, Lucy's
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Speaker 1: all sulk and I'm like, what happens? She goes, well,
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Speaker 1: my friend got her phone taken away. I'm like, let
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Speaker 1: me guess it's Ashley, real, guys, a little girl. So
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Speaker 1: happily I did not inject myself into that. But Ashley,
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Speaker 1: that is such a minor little thing. I'm saving my
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Speaker 1: fights for tattoos, drugs and alcohol. All right, I'm saving
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Speaker 1: these fights. But you know what, Nancy, Okay, it's all parenting, right,
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Speaker 1: But let me just say this. The point is it
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Speaker 1: can get away from you so quickly. They can in
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Speaker 1: the flash of an eye meet somebody, start texting, somebody postings.
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Speaker 1: So you just have to be vigilant at it every
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Speaker 1: single day. With Alicia and the parents. Alicia, his parents,
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Speaker 1: didn't they tell you stay away from strangers, do this,
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Speaker 1: do that, do that, do this? They had no idea.
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Speaker 1: The little boy you were chatting with was a grown
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Speaker 1: man convicted of child porn. Absolutely, it happened right under
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Speaker 1: the noses, and they had no idea. And I hate
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Speaker 1: to come down to your parents because your parents love
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Speaker 1: you so much. And when you describe I think it
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Speaker 1: was a Christmas dinner or some kind of festive holiday
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Speaker 1: dinner that you guys were all at when you disappeared.
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Speaker 1: I can just imagine their wild anxiety when you had disappeared.
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Speaker 1: Tutania Jordan Bark CMO. You know, Tutania, I got Bark
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Speaker 1: before I knew you, and I love it because everything,
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Speaker 1: Like I told you this example, John David play soccer
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Speaker 1: and he dove through the net trying to save a
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Speaker 1: goal and he got a big bruise on his arm.
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Speaker 1: He took a picture of the bruise to show it
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Speaker 1: off to as friends. Long story short, Bark notified me
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Speaker 1: and it said self harm. I'm like, oh, dear Lord
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Speaker 1: in Heaven, John David's self harm, I'll looge up. And
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Speaker 1: it was showing off his bruise. It's highly sensitive. What
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Speaker 1: is the purpose of bark Bark Well, Nancy, thank you
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Speaker 1: for asking and for sharing your personal story there. Bark
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Speaker 1: is technology that keeps children safer online and because of that,
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Speaker 1: in real life, it's going to scan your children's text, messages, emails,
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Speaker 1: social media accounts, all kinds of things that you might
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Speaker 1: not even know you need to look for in your
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Speaker 1: children's devices and accounts and it will flag the most
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Speaker 1: concerning content like cyber bowling, online predators, that's a suicide, depression,
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Speaker 1: potential drug use, and yes, even the bird. You know,
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Speaker 1: here's a thing that I'm curious about because they will
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Speaker 1: go on sites like just Talk or house Party and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't you. I cannot look at their texts and
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Speaker 1: see what they're saying. So how do you protect against
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Speaker 1: bad influences on those apps? To Tanya, Well, it first
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Speaker 1: starts with ongoing and engaged conversations with your children. You
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Speaker 1: have to have the tough conversations with them before you
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Speaker 1: think they're ready. Honestly, if your children are nine, ten,
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Speaker 1: eleven and you haven't had a conversation about pornography, chances
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Speaker 1: are they've probably already encountered it. They might not know
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Speaker 1: what it is or what it's called, but they've encountered it.
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Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health and even you know, with
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Speaker 1: online predators, you don't have to call them that. You
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Speaker 1: can just start with a concept of tricky people. How
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Speaker 1: there are some people online who might seem like your
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Speaker 1: best friend, but they do not have good intentions, and
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Speaker 1: you can never be afraid to surface it. To mommy, daddy, caregiver,
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Speaker 1: because we don't want, you know, a cybercrime to turn
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Speaker 1: into a real life crime. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about don't be a victim, fighting back
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Speaker 1: against America's crime wave. Now you know that I have
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Speaker 1: Alicia cozy Kevit's with me now, her true life story
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Speaker 1: of meeting a pedophile online and being abducted, being saved
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Speaker 1: literally on the day Scott Tyree was set to kill
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Speaker 1: her to get rid of evidence by the Feds. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you the story of Nicole Lovell, who
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Speaker 1: did not live to tell a story. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Eva Pilgrim at ABC. The police say
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Speaker 1: she snuck away to meet this man, and why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: she have trusted him? David Eisenhower was a track star,
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Speaker 1: good looking, successful. I realize in the moment that I
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Speaker 1: am doing things that other people wish they could be doing.
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Speaker 1: He'd even been on television. And yet I still have
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Speaker 1: goals for myself because there are people who are better
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Speaker 1: than me, and I will personally not stop until I
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Speaker 1: reach my peak performance. But Nicole never came back. Soon,
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Speaker 1: almost a thousand volunteers were searching and authorities scoured for
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Speaker 1: leads until they were able to attrack the last messages
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Speaker 1: from Nicole's phone, leading them to Eisenhower. When the investigation
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Speaker 1: led us to eighteen year old David E. Eisenhower, a
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech student. With Eisenhower in custody, authorities soon located
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Speaker 1: Nicole's body eighty miles away in North Carolina. It's about
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Speaker 1: two miles from a home owned by his extended family.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that these scepting that Nicole's family would like
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Speaker 1: to know is why does she have to end up here?
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Speaker 1: Left in this condition and discarded in the manner she
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Speaker 1: was little? Nicole's found completely naked, wiped down with the
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Speaker 1: bleach and wet wipe so there would be no evidence
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Speaker 1: on her body. She thought and had told her little friends,
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Speaker 1: who were at the mall that day looking for necklaces
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Speaker 1: and bracelets, that she had found a boyfriend and that
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Speaker 1: he wanted to get married and start a family. She's
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Speaker 1: barely passed twelve years old, get married, have a family,
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Speaker 1: translation have underage sex. How were they communicating? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC. Nicole was using a
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Speaker 1: messaging app called Kick to communicate with Eisenhower, raising questions
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Speaker 1: about possibly dangerous encounters. Well, I'm willing to say Kick
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Speaker 1: is the devil for young children because it's like a
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Speaker 1: free ability to text anything you want and parents can't
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Speaker 1: see the phone numbers that are coming in and out.
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Speaker 1: Experts say many of these anonymous apps are popular with
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Speaker 1: teens and predators. You can sign up as anybody you
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Speaker 1: want to be. It really becomes a private hunting preserve
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Speaker 1: for some of these pedophiles. Here's how Kick works. Download
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Speaker 1: the app for free at any name and any photo.
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Speaker 1: Then you can send messages, photos and videos and you
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Speaker 1: don't even need texting service. Parents sometimes take away these
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Speaker 1: data plans thinking that well the child is abused it,
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Speaker 1: but they only need a Wi Fi single to be
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Speaker 1: able to communicate to Detective Rich. With Stocky joining us
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Speaker 1: his new website, cyber Parenting Dash one o one dot com,
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Speaker 1: I can look at the children's text messages, but how
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Speaker 1: does a parent guard against things like Kick and WhatsApp
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Speaker 1: House party where the texts are not readily visible. So
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Speaker 1: what I do is when I'm going through with schools
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Speaker 1: throughout the country, we have to train our children. There's
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Speaker 1: there's two points that I bring out in red flags
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Speaker 1: to the kids that I teach him to pen is
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Speaker 1: that if someone takes you off your gaming platform or
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Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are
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Speaker 1: not who they say they are. Because if you really
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Speaker 1: want to talk to me, why not just say it
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Speaker 1: on the app or on the game. Why do I
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Speaker 1: have to go over here? Well, that's because a lot
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Speaker 1: of these a lot of social media has programs that
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Speaker 1: monitor grooming and pictures and videos that are talked to
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Speaker 1: with juvenile accounts. So when the first red flag that
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Speaker 1: I teach kids is that if someone takes you off
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Speaker 1: your gaming platform or private chat, or your gaming or
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Speaker 1: your social media to go to private chat, they are
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Speaker 1: not who they say, Danni. Let's say they went there
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Speaker 1: and I have arrested over one hundred sextortionists in my career, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And so when they go over to that private chat,
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Speaker 1: we've been friends for so long, playing roadblocks, probably just
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Speaker 1: two months, We've been friends for so long. Do you
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Speaker 1: want to see what I really look like? And if
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Speaker 1: we're not having these tech conversations with our children, your
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Speaker 1: kids says sure, and then they send them the predator
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Speaker 1: who they think it's their age, will send them an
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Speaker 1: inappropriate picture or video and then the common denominat in
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Speaker 1: every sextortion case is after I send this to you,
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Speaker 1: now you owe me one pick. When I go to
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Speaker 1: schools and I asked the kids six seven eighth grade,
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Speaker 1: how many of you guys have ever received the text
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Speaker 1: you owe me one pick? Half the room raises their hands.
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Speaker 1: So if we're not talking to our kids, our kids
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Speaker 1: think that, oh, there must be some Internet law that
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Speaker 1: I have to reciprocate the same type of picture. And
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Speaker 1: then they would take the same type of picture showing
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Speaker 1: their you know, their boobs or their bucks or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and then they send it to the person they thought
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Speaker 1: they've known for two months three days later, that persons
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Speaker 1: they've been gaming with for the last two months. So says, hey,
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Speaker 1: how do you like your new Instagram account with your
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Speaker 1: booty shot on it? I'm going to send this to
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Speaker 1: all your friends, your family, your church, your team. If
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Speaker 1: you don't make new videos every week, now the kid
23:51
Speaker 1: is extoreded. So our parents and I want to open
23:55
Speaker 1: your eyes to a new feature film, a documentary that
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Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. Childhood two point zero will give you
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Speaker 1: the currents most realistic this position of our kids today
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Speaker 1: on technology, and it's very well done. That's Detective rich Stocky.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at cyber Parenting dash one o
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Speaker 1: one dot com. One thing I always do too, Justice
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan joining me professor forensics, and it's not just
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Speaker 1: blood and fingerprints, it's computer cyber forensics as well. When
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Speaker 1: I hear him, what he does is set up all
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Speaker 1: of his little friends from school or on a group
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Speaker 1: call as they're playing a game together. I always go
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Speaker 1: in the room and say, hey, who are you playing with?
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Speaker 1: As if I'm innocently interested, He tells me, and I
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Speaker 1: say hello to all the little friends. If I find
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Speaker 1: him playing quietly, I say who's that? And he goes,
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Speaker 1: it's just somebody that wants to play Fortnite. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: you didn't give him your name, did you? Or your
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Speaker 1: school or where you live or the city or anything
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Speaker 1: like that, or your phone number for Pete's sake. He goes, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: Mama would never do that. Joe Scott Morgan, how can
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Speaker 1: you trace, for instance, these apps? I always say to
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Speaker 1: John David, you don't know who that is? He says,
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Speaker 1: his name is Derek and he's twelve. Years old. It
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Speaker 1: was probably a sixty five year old ball guy, you know,
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Speaker 1: hiding in his apartment where he lives alone with a
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Speaker 1: bunch of cats, acting like a little boy. He's probably
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Speaker 1: gonna try to get a picture of you in your underwear.
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Speaker 1: Hang get off. I think I scared him enough with that.
25:50
Speaker 1: But how do you, I mean, the purvs get the
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Speaker 1: children into chat rooms, Joe Scott. You know, Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: is the interesting thing is that there's a principle in
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Speaker 1: forensic science that's called the cards exchange principle, and that
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Speaker 1: means that every contact leaves a trace. It's not just
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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned fingerprints in blood, and you and
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Speaker 1: I talked about that a lot, and we have for
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Speaker 1: years now. But in this context, every individual that is
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Speaker 1: operating electronic device leaves behind a specific signature that can
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Speaker 1: tie them back, and that's what is done in order
26:27
Speaker 1: to trace them back and connect them to these cases.
26:30
Speaker 1: You're right. Here are more of the tips, and I've
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Speaker 1: got pages and pages of them for you to keep
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Speaker 1: your child safer cyber predators, for instance, signs of predators
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Speaker 1: targeting your child and Alisha Tarsiana to Tanya, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Rich Joe Scott, Sierra jump in if you can
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Speaker 1: think of another. Your child spends more time online. They
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Speaker 1: start going online late at night. They get costs from
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Speaker 1: people you don't know. Your child gets a gift and
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Speaker 1: the mail from someone you don't know. When you walk
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Speaker 1: in the room, your child suddenly stops playing, or they
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Speaker 1: change a screen or hang up the phone. Your child
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Speaker 1: starts distancing themselves from family life and no longer seems
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Speaker 1: interested in things they used to love. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about what they're doing online. It goes on
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Speaker 1: and on and on. Tips how to protect your child
27:43
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: Don't be a Victim Fighting back against America's crime Wave,
27:52
Speaker 1: which I wrote for you. It is based on literally
27:58
Speaker 1: thousands of cases I fly investigated, prosecuted, and covered. Not
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Speaker 1: to just rehash the details, but to learn to call
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Speaker 1: something good to help other people. That means you to
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Speaker 1: Sierra Gillespie, does the name Michelle Carter ring a bell
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Speaker 1: to you? What happened to Michelle Carter's extremely young, a
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Speaker 1: very sensitive boyfriend, Conrad Roy. Yeah, nanc Michelle Carter is
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Speaker 1: almost an infamous name at this point. A lot of
28:44
Speaker 1: us have heard of this case. Conrad Roy was only
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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, and he had actually met Michelle in
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Speaker 1: real life a few times. They met law on vacation
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Speaker 1: in Florida visiting family, but they both lived relatively close
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Speaker 1: in the Boston area, and so they just texted. I mean,
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Speaker 1: like any normal child would do. You're just texting your
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Speaker 1: boyfriend or your friend. They actually knew each other, so
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Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be, you know, a cyber bullying situation,
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Speaker 1: but it eventually came that way. Conrad confided in Michelle
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Speaker 1: about he had some suicidal ideations, he was struggling with depression,
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Speaker 1: and eventually she seemingly persuaded him to take his own life,
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Speaker 1: which is what he did. Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: our longtime friend Aaron Moriarty. Right away we heard from
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Speaker 1: investigators that medical examiner found that it was a suicide.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't until they started looking at his phone that
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Speaker 1: they realized that there was something else going on here,
29:43
Speaker 1: because on that phone or hundreds and hundreds of texts
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Speaker 1: from Michelle car to Conrad Roy urging him to end
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Speaker 1: his life. You can't think about it. You just have
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Speaker 1: to do it, you said, you were gonna do it, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't get why you aren't, And Michelle Carter admittedly
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Speaker 1: said do it. She was kind of making fun of
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Speaker 1: him for not taking his own life. I thought you
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Speaker 1: really wanted to die, but apparently you don't. I feel
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Speaker 1: played and just stupid. You're going to have to prove
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Speaker 1: me wrong because I just don't think you really want this,
30:19
Speaker 1: and she kept pressuring him to do it. You're ready
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Speaker 1: and prepared. All you have to do is turn the
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Speaker 1: generator on and you be free and happy. No more
30:30
Speaker 1: pushing it off, no more waiting. There was one point
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Speaker 1: where he actually got out of the truck and changed
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Speaker 1: his mind. Yeah, he was scared, and she told him
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Speaker 1: to go back in the truck. Yes, you know. To you,
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Speaker 1: Alicia kozy Kevitz, teens, especially sensitive teens is his first girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: are very susceptible and very malleable. This boy committed suicide
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Speaker 1: after literally thousands, literally thousands of communications from his so
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Speaker 1: called girlfriend such as, do you have a generator? Not yet? Well?
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Speaker 1: When are you going to get it? So? Are you
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Speaker 1: sure you don't want to kill yourself tonight? What do
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Speaker 1: you mean in my shirt? Like? Are you definitely not
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Speaker 1: doing it? Tonight, because I'll stay up with you if
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Speaker 1: you want to do it tonight. You can't keep pushing
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Speaker 1: it off. That's what you keep doing. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, with her pushing him,
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Speaker 1: egging him on, even telling him how to hook up
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Speaker 1: a generator to his car, to his truck so he
31:43
Speaker 1: can breathe deeply and die. How malleable were you when
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Speaker 1: a child predator was grooming you online, Alicia? Extremely malleable.
31:56
Speaker 1: You're looking for that connection. And when you're young, even
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Speaker 1: if you do have close friends, even if you do
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Speaker 1: have a loving family, you so often feel that you're
32:07
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in and that nobody really can
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Speaker 1: understand you. And these two were only and I find
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Speaker 1: it so interesting that they only lived about an hour
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Speaker 1: or so away from each other, had only seen each
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Speaker 1: other a few times, And if she really wanted to
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Speaker 1: help him, he wasn't far away for her to do.
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Speaker 1: So all she wanted to help him do clearly was
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Speaker 1: to harm himself. She's like a vulture over a body.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Aaron Moriarty CBS. Carter was on
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Speaker 1: the phone with Roy as he was dying of carbon
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Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning. Inside his trunk in July twenty fourteen. She
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Speaker 1: never called for help when Roy apparently changed his mind
32:52
Speaker 1: and got out of his vehicle. She even told him
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Speaker 1: to get back inside. Roy suffered from depression. The hardest
32:59
Speaker 1: thing for me is to be comfortable in leon skin.
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Speaker 1: And before he killed himself, Carter sent the eighteen year
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Speaker 1: old dozens of texts pressuring him to commit suicide. One red,
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Speaker 1: hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways Michelle Carter exploited my son's
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Speaker 1: weaknesses and used him as a pawn. Where was her humanity? Carter,
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Speaker 1: who herself has struggled with anxiety and eating disorders, wept
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Speaker 1: at times during the hearing. This is a tragedy for
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Speaker 1: two families. Judge Lawrence Monaz sentenced Turned two and a
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Speaker 1: half years in jail, but he said Carter would only
33:36
Speaker 1: have to spend half of that fifteen months behind bars.
33:40
Speaker 1: She also received five years probation. Tips Watch your child closely.
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Speaker 1: Are they upset after being on their device? Do they
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Speaker 1: seem upset or nervous when their device pings or they
33:52
Speaker 1: get an email text or I am instant message? Do
33:56
Speaker 1: they sometimes avoid their device, avoid talk of their ice
34:00
Speaker 1: or online games, tries to keep their online life a secret.
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Speaker 1: Their grades begin to drop, They withdraw from real life
34:09
Speaker 1: and activities they love. They have unexplained anger, unusual outburst
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Speaker 1: changes in behavior. I mean, there's so many, literally hundreds
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Speaker 1: of tips to keep you and your children safe. To you,
34:28
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. What happens
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Speaker 1: when you die of carbon monoxide poisoning like Conrad Roy did? Oh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a miserable way to die, Nancy. And I've
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Speaker 1: worked many cases like this in my life over my
34:46
Speaker 1: course of my career, and it's a replacement it actually
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Speaker 1: it's an exclusion of oxygen and it causes the person
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Speaker 1: to suffocate. But Nancy, on another note, if you don't mind,
34:59
Speaker 1: I've worked actually a case that's very similar to this
35:01
Speaker 1: in Atlanta where there was a group of people sitting
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Speaker 1: around a table and a young man had not gone
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Speaker 1: out to pick up his date for an evening out
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Speaker 1: with all of his friends, and she called him. She
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Speaker 1: was crying on the phone, and he opened the phone
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Speaker 1: up on the table, put her on speaker, and convinced
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Speaker 1: her to actually shoot herself while they were on the
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Speaker 1: phone together, and it was one of the most horrible,
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Speaker 1: heartbreaking cases that I ever came in contact with. And
35:31
Speaker 1: this is what I would say about this is that
35:34
Speaker 1: they are very fragile people out there and the internet electronics.
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Speaker 1: They are no respecter of persons because they are so
35:42
Speaker 1: they're just a conduit for evil to creep into people's lives.
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Speaker 1: In the case of this poor boy who was just
35:49
Speaker 1: screaming out for help and he happened to latch onto
35:52
Speaker 1: the wrong person. The case in Atlanta, I was just
35:55
Speaker 1: mentioning to you. You know, this girl was longing to
35:58
Speaker 1: be accepted by that group of people, and you know,
36:01
Speaker 1: the people were sitting there and they could actually hear
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Speaker 1: the gunshot go off. Nancy, these people are predators and
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Speaker 1: they will take advantage of anybody that's weak and to
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Speaker 1: U Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that Michelle Carter has already been released from prison? Yes, Nancy,
36:21
Speaker 1: that's true. Again, we heard she was sent into two
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Speaker 1: and a half years in prison, but it was reduced,
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Speaker 1: so she has already been released. She's going about her
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Speaker 1: life and Conrad roy is dead. Alicia kozy keevit's your
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Speaker 1: life and your family's life has forever been changed. I
36:43
Speaker 1: know you founded the Alicia Project dot org. I know
36:47
Speaker 1: you're a chireless crusader. But what is your single most
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Speaker 1: important piece of advice to parents like me that want
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Speaker 1: to protect their children. Well, I've noticed that parents have
36:57
Speaker 1: gone from clueless to complete. When I first started speaking
37:01
Speaker 1: out when I was fourteen years old, all those years ago,
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Speaker 1: and nobody was quite talking about this. People didn't believe
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Speaker 1: me that it was happening. I was called a fearmonger,
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Speaker 1: and parents' downwright said things to me like, well, I
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Speaker 1: know my child is not on my Space, which is
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Speaker 1: popular at the time, because I have the email address
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Speaker 1: for the house. They really believed that they had one
37:22
Speaker 1: email address and that was all you got. And now
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Speaker 1: it seems that parents are knowing that they're knowledgeable of
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Speaker 1: the dangers, but they still turn away and say, well,
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Speaker 1: not my child. That happens to other people and to
37:38
Speaker 1: other families, And you have to look into your own
37:42
Speaker 1: life and to protect your own child, and to be
37:45
Speaker 1: a parent, and to have those uncomfortable conversations because kids
37:50
Speaker 1: will have to make decisions it will happen. They will
37:54
Speaker 1: be online and somebody will message them and they will
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Speaker 1: send me a picture or meet me, or they will
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Speaker 1: be cyber bullied. Something is likely to happen, and they
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Speaker 1: have to have the ability to make the right decisions
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Speaker 1: and that comes from those sometimes uncomfortable conversations. Please don't
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Speaker 1: be a victim, fight back and save a child. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace crime Story signing off, good bye, send