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The Titanic Conspiracy · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: H m, Why John, do you think history is so fabricated?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's a it's a very wide ranging
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  Speaker 2: question that but the very short answer is that there
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  Speaker 2: are a few thousand people who try to control the
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  Speaker 2: whole of humanity. So a few thousand people try to
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  Speaker 2: control and alleged eight billion of us and the only
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  Speaker 2: way they can do that is through well several ways,
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  Speaker 2: but one of the main ones is by faking the
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  Speaker 2: our history and science and creating this this idea that
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  Speaker 2: we are we're just a speck of nothingness, because that
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  Speaker 2: takes away our our spiritual power, in other words, our our.
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  Speaker 3: Power to actually stand up against them.
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  Speaker 2: So they create this fake story of history and reality
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  Speaker 2: and this this just as I say, it just takes
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  Speaker 2: away our power and that that's it in a nutshell. Really,
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  Speaker 2: there are so many other elements to it as well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they keep us in control through fear. Fear
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  Speaker 2: is a big one. And yeah, my books really just
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  Speaker 2: tell that story.
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  Speaker 1: Why the Titanic though.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well, it fascinated me ever since child and
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think I speak for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people when I say that it's just such
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  Speaker 2: an you know, it's one of those stories that's got
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  Speaker 2: an element of everything, isn't it. It's you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: got romance, it's got tragedy. You know, rich versus poor,
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  Speaker 2: good versus evil. It's it's you know, if you take
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  Speaker 2: the official story as gospel, it has just about every
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  Speaker 2: element that makes up a successful novel. And the whole
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  Speaker 2: thing just seemed so real, surreal to me and unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: to me. And that's why I decided to look into
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  Speaker 2: it a lot more deeply, and that began in the
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  Speaker 2: very early two thousands, Around about two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of started messing around with it, looking
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  Speaker 2: into it very sort of cursorily, and as as the
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  Speaker 2: years went on, I did some really serious research and
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  Speaker 2: I did around about three years solid research just on Titanic,
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  Speaker 2: and this resulted in my book RMS Olympic, which is
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  Speaker 2: the real Titanic story.
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  Speaker 1: Why does the Titanic matter?
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  Speaker 2: Though, Well, like anything, you know, people say to me,
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  Speaker 2: why does you know? Why does it matter? Why does
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  Speaker 2: X matter? Why does why matter? It's all part of
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  Speaker 2: the bigger picture, isn't it. If they're lying to us
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  Speaker 2: about the Titanic, which they are, what else are they
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  Speaker 2: laying about and of course everything's interconnected as well, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So this is just one tiny little piece in a
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  Speaker 2: in a huge jigsaw puzzle of fake reality. And when
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  Speaker 2: you tie the whole lot, when you tide the whole
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  Speaker 2: lot together, it creates a very different picture to what
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  Speaker 2: is presented to us by the mainstream. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's important in that it is just part
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  Speaker 2: of a much bigger scenario of fakery.
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  Speaker 1: If you like, I don't know way to begin, so
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  Speaker 1: just take me back.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think the best way to do it
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  Speaker 2: is is to take it chronologically. Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll tell you a little bit about my research.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably a good way to start, wasn't it Where
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  Speaker 2: I got all this information from? As I say, I
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  Speaker 2: spent about three years solidly doing this, and this is
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  Speaker 2: from about twenty ten to about twenty thirteen. And I
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  Speaker 2: where did a look. I looked at the after the event.
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  Speaker 2: There were two public inquiries. It was the American one
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  Speaker 2: which was the first one, and then the British one
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  Speaker 2: which followed shortly afterwards. And there are transcripts of these
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  Speaker 2: inquiries that exist, and I looked at those in great details.
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  Speaker 3: Most of them.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the entirety of the transcripts appear on the Internet,
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  Speaker 2: or they did. I've not looked at them for many,
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  Speaker 2: many years now, but at the time that's where I
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of information from just looking at inquiry transcripts,
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  Speaker 2: and that they are very, very revealing. And again I'll
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  Speaker 2: come into that. I'll come onto that as I tell
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  Speaker 2: the story. I also looked at Harland and Wolf public
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  Speaker 2: record odds. Halland and Wolf are with the shipyard in
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  Speaker 2: Belfast that built Titanic and its sisters. I looked at
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  Speaker 2: various archives. I've trolled the libraries, looking at all the
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  Speaker 2: contemporary newspapers, newspapers at the time, which again often tell
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  Speaker 2: a totally different story to the one that we commonly hear.
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  Speaker 2: The ubiquitous Internet, of course, which as time has gone on,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff has been censored now, whereas back
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  Speaker 2: in those days it wasn't as bad, although there was
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  Speaker 2: still some censorship going on. And I also looked at
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  Speaker 2: something else which was very revealing, and that was the
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  Speaker 2: Marconi Wireless transcripts. The Marconi Wireless transcripts which are only
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  Speaker 2: available in the Bodily And Library in Oxford and don't
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  Speaker 2: exist on the Internet in any kind of usable way.
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  Speaker 2: They were all the messages that were passing between the
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  Speaker 2: ships in the North Atlantic at that time, Marconi being
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  Speaker 2: the system that was used then in the very early
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  Speaker 2: days of wireless, because obviously nineteen twelve they had wireless communication,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't every ship that had it, and it
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  Speaker 2: was also very very rudimentary, you know, for example, there
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  Speaker 2: was no voice wireless. It was almost most code. So
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  Speaker 2: but those have been transcribed and they're available at the
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  Speaker 2: Bodying Library in Oxford in England. So yeah, I spent
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  Speaker 2: a few days down there, sat down because it's south
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  Speaker 2: of where I am, and yeah, so that was that,
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  Speaker 2: and then I wrote. I did a presentation in about
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eleven or twenty twelve, I can't quite remember.
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  Speaker 3: I made a.
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  Speaker 2: PowerPoint presentation of all the facts that I'd gathered together
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  Speaker 2: very shortly after I'd finished writing the book, and I
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  Speaker 2: did and that went viral on YouTube, and that within
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  Speaker 2: about six months I heard about half a million views,
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  Speaker 2: and as far as I'm aware, it's still got half
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  Speaker 2: a million views. Because this is what they do, They
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  Speaker 2: actually censor the number of numbers of views on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: as I'm sure most people are aware, or many people
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  Speaker 2: are aware, But anyway, the point that I'm making here
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  Speaker 2: is that someone saw that YouTube presentation and it was
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  Speaker 2: a Hollywood film director, not a well known one, but
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  Speaker 2: a minor Hollywood film director who invited me over to
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  Speaker 2: try and raise money to make the alternative film. So
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  Speaker 2: I spent some time over there and t you know.
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  Speaker 2: The idea was to go around all different producers trying
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  Speaker 2: to raise money, which we did but no but no
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  Speaker 2: takers and except one guy or one person who said,
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  Speaker 2: we need a book. So that's why I ended up
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  Speaker 2: writing another book, which was Titanic's Last Secret, because they
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  Speaker 2: had to be a novel. So I wrote the book
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  Speaker 2: Titanic Flash Secret, based on Orimus Olympic, which is the
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  Speaker 2: factual book. And anyway, it was still rejected to cut
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  Speaker 2: a long story short. So that's how the whole thing began.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, let's get into the real story, if that's
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  Speaker 2: okay with you now, there is so much information to party.
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  Speaker 1: Really the real story. Well, we all know John that
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  Speaker 1: the real story is the movie with Lyndo DiCaprio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and the moon's made of green cheese.
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  Speaker 3: As well, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, no, I'm afraid I'm afraid that right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the official story it was actually a book written by
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  Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Walter Lord who was
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  Speaker 2: a CIA agent in the early nineteen fifties, and the
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  Speaker 2: book was called a Night. Some people may have read that,
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  Speaker 2: or they may have even seen the film which has
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  Speaker 2: made a few years afterwards, starring the British actor Kenneth Moore.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that a CIA agent wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: about the sinking of an ocean liner forty years previously
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  Speaker 2: kind of begs that question, what on earth was a
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  Speaker 2: CIA agent doing that for? And distorting all the facts too.
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  Speaker 2: As we'll see, it was all rather strange to me. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: My research bore that out. So yeah, for those who
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  Speaker 2: are not aware, the Titanic incident happened at eleven forty
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  Speaker 2: pm on Sunday, the fourteenth of April nineteen twelve, and
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  Speaker 2: the ship sank approximately three and a half hours later
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  Speaker 2: at two twenty am on Monday, the fifteenth of April
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twelve.
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  Speaker 3: And there are two strands.
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  Speaker 2: To this story, so we're going to look at them chronologically.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen oh eight, a gentleman by the net will
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  Speaker 2: I use the term very loosely. A gentleman by the
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  Speaker 2: name of JP Morgan. He was head of the uch
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  Speaker 2: conglomerate corporation of the same name, and he you know,
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  Speaker 2: still exists today JP Morgan and Partners financial organization. But
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  Speaker 2: he was also the ultimate owner of the White Star
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  Speaker 2: shipping line. He decided, he was a very very bright guy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, give him his due. He decided to build
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  Speaker 2: three luxury liners with a mandate of becoming the most
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  Speaker 2: luxuris in the world. And these were the Olympic, the
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  Speaker 2: Titanic and the Britannic. And so he commissioned three almost
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  Speaker 2: but not quite identical ships to be built and commissioned
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  Speaker 2: Harland and Wolf Shipyard in Belfast commenced construction in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: oh eight.
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  Speaker 3: Now it.
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  Speaker 2: Was very for it was very full sighted because up
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  Speaker 2: until that point in time, shipping lines only only criteria
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  Speaker 2: if you like, with speed. Okay, they weren't interested in
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  Speaker 2: luxury or comfort. It was just a means of getting
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  Speaker 2: from A to B. So speed was the most important thing.
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  Speaker 2: But he decided to go a different route, and so
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  Speaker 2: he commissioned the building of these luxurious liners and It
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  Speaker 2: was a massive success initially because everyone wanted to travel
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  Speaker 2: White Star Line they were the best, okay, But the
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  Speaker 2: problem with it was there was a massive investment of
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  Speaker 2: money was required. This was financed by JP Morgan himself personally,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a huge gamble. This plan depended on
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  Speaker 2: absolutely everything going right from day one, but as we'll
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  Speaker 2: see as I go through it, the whole enterprise was
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  Speaker 2: beset with problems, ultimately ending in tragedy.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Arams Olympic was the first one of the sisters
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  Speaker 2: to be completed, and she was launched in nineteen eleven
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately for Morgan, bearing in mind that he'd invested
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  Speaker 2: a lot of his own personal money into this, and
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  Speaker 2: it was very, very heavily dependent on everything going absolutely
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  Speaker 2: spot on correct. But she she Arams Olympic had four
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  Speaker 2: serious accidents, all before the launch of Titanic, which was
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  Speaker 2: a year later, so in other words, all in the
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  Speaker 2: first few months of Olympics life. First of all, she
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  Speaker 2: on a maiden voyage. When she arrived in New York Harbor,
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  Speaker 2: she destroyed a tug boat. White Star Line was sued.
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  Speaker 2: Fortunately no deaths occurred, but it was a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a setback for the company, et cetera. They think they
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  Speaker 2: will find something like ten thousand dollars, which, okay, is
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  Speaker 2: not that much money in the grand scheme of things today,
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  Speaker 2: but in those days it was a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Money, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then secondly, on a subsequent voyage, she ran over
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  Speaker 2: a sunken wreck at Sandy Hook, which is just off
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  Speaker 2: the you know, the spit further down the coast from
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  Speaker 2: New York and is also famous for another false slag incident,
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  Speaker 2: which we won't talk about today, but some people will.
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  Speaker 3: That will ring bells with some people.
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  Speaker 2: So that was Sandy Hook, and this caused severe damage
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  Speaker 2: to her propellers, and she returned back across the Atlantic
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  Speaker 2: at about half speed but still suffered further vibrational damage
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  Speaker 2: due to the imbalance caused by the propeller damage, and
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  Speaker 2: two propellers had to be replaced. And then shortly afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: on another voyage a few weeks later, she hit a sandbank,
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  Speaker 2: ran aground and through a propeller through means shed propeller,
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  Speaker 2: and this also had to be replaced. But having used
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  Speaker 2: both spare, they had to borrow one from the Titanic,
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  Speaker 2: which was still under construction, and this is significant, and
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  Speaker 2: we returned to that point later. So please make a
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  Speaker 2: note and remind me to return to the propeller issue
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  Speaker 2: if I forget to do that, because it's important. Then
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  Speaker 2: in September nineteen eleven, Olympic was involved in the worst
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  Speaker 2: incident of all. She was involved in a massive high
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  Speaker 2: speed collision with a British Navy battleship called HMS Hawk,
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  Speaker 2: and this is known in Titanic circles as the Hawk incident.
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  Speaker 2: After leaving Southampton Water off the south coast of in England,
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  Speaker 2: she was preparing to turn westwards, traveling clockwise around the
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  Speaker 2: Isle of Wight, and she came into contact with this
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  Speaker 2: battleship called the HMS Hawk, which caused severe damage. And
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  Speaker 2: there's pictures of the damage in my books.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just trying to think. How did how did
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  Speaker 1: two big ships bang into each other?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well what happened was the battleship was going too
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  Speaker 2: fast for the little stretch of water that they were
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  Speaker 2: in and it's steering mechanism jammed. They couldn't avoid it
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  Speaker 2: and it hit Olympic amidships. So yeah, it was it
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  Speaker 2: was absolutely it was nobody's fault. It was a mechanical failure,
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  Speaker 2: but it was you know, it was the crew of
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  Speaker 2: HMS Hawk that you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the ship was quite damaged.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very very very badly damaged. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: so it limped back to Southampton to be patched up.
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  Speaker 2: The patch up took two weeks and off it went
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  Speaker 2: back to Harland and Wolf Belfast for full repairs. It
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  Speaker 2: had to go back to Belfast because it was the
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  Speaker 2: biggest ship in the world and it was the Belfast
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  Speaker 2: dry dock where it was built. But the Thompson Graving
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  Speaker 2: Dock was the only dry dock in the world big
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  Speaker 2: enough to take it. So when they got her into
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the dry dock in belf Fast, which took a long
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  Speaker 2: time to get there, she had to go, you know,
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  Speaker 2: incredibly slowly, it was realized that she was in far
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  Speaker 2: worse shape than originally thought. And worse still, After every
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  Speaker 2: incident with a Royal Navy ship, there has to be
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  Speaker 2: an official Royal Navy inquiry into an accident, any accident,
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  Speaker 2: and they found Olympics crew and therefore White Star Line
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  Speaker 2: culpable to blame and the White Star was therefore liable
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  Speaker 2: for many, many millions of pounds of expenses for repairs
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  Speaker 2: to both ships, plus significant loss of revenues. Whilst Olympic
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  Speaker 2: was out of action, she wasn't able to apply a
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  Speaker 2: trade back and forth and start to pay her way.
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  Speaker 2: And amongst many many other relatively minor issues, the major
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  Speaker 2: problem was that Olympics keel was bent and distorted out
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  Speaker 2: of shape. The repairs were estimated to cost more than
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: to build a new ship from scratch. Now, I spoke
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  Speaker 2: to several part of my research, I spoke to several
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  Speaker 2: seafaring people, so mariners, and they all told me the
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  Speaker 2: same story, and that is that a twisted or a bent.
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  Speaker 3: Keel equals a total wreck.
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  Speaker 2: So White Star now realized that Olympic was damaged beyond
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  Speaker 2: economic repair, and significantly she was also insurable, therefore an
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  Speaker 2: insurance write off, and White Star Line had no option
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  Speaker 2: but to declare a wreck. She was Olympic. It's categorically
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  Speaker 2: no doubt at all. It's documented it did actually happen.
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  Speaker 2: Olympic was officially declared a wreck, a write off, and
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  Speaker 2: I'll say documents prove that to be the truth. And also,
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  Speaker 2: of course, as I said before, due to the serious damage,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't able to ply her way back and forth
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: across the Atlantic in order to begin to pay her way.
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  Speaker 2: And at this point in time, the bankruptcy of White
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  Speaker 2: Star and Harland and Wolf was definitely on the cards.
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  Speaker 2: So I believe that at this point Morgan and his
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  Speaker 2: co conspirators, because that's what they were, then hatched a plan,
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  Speaker 2: a cunning plan, to kill two birds from one stone,
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  Speaker 2: to solve the White Star financial problems and to remove
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: opposition to the Federal Reserve in one simple move. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll come back to the Federal Reserve thing in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: but let's carry on down this thread for a while.
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  Speaker 2: And so this involved patching up the rect Olympic as
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: best they could, bracing the twistic keel with metal struts.
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  Speaker 2: And interestingly, when Robert Ballard discovered the Titanic reck site
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven, he actually didn't, but that's another story.
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  Speaker 2: He was puzzled to find these struts in the wreck,
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  Speaker 2: which did not, of course appear on the construction blueprints.
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  Speaker 2: And furthermore, it's possible to see the ledged repairs that
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  Speaker 2: Olympic underwent to its superstructure, and it's still played in
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  Speaker 2: some pictures of Titanic through its maiden voyage quite easy.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of pictures that show these damage
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  Speaker 2: repairs in pictures of Titanic, So therefore I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows where I'm going with this. This was set
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  Speaker 2: in the scene for a remarkable and elaborate scam, which
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  Speaker 2: was the switching of the identity of the two chips,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the almost completed Titanic and the almost wrecked Olympic. And
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  Speaker 2: this fact is corroborated by many Belfast shipworkers' family who've
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  Speaker 2: had their store this story passed down to them through
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: their families. How do I know this because in about
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  Speaker 2: twenty eleven I put an advert in the Belfast Telegraph
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: inviting people to meet me who were descendants of the
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  Speaker 2: Alland and Wolf shipyard workers at the time, and three
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  Speaker 2: people came forward. I met them all individually in a
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  Speaker 2: pub in Belfast, and I took down the stories, and
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  Speaker 2: every one of them said told the same story. Although
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: they didn't know each other, they didn't know who they were.
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  Speaker 2: These people, they didn't know, you know, the background or anything,
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  Speaker 2: but they told me the same story, and that was
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  Speaker 2: their relative who had worked in the shipyard at that time,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: had been threatened that if they breathed a word about
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: what was going on behind those dock gates, that not
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  Speaker 2: only would they never work at Harland and Wolf again,
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  Speaker 2: neither would any of their families, and even worse than that,
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  Speaker 2: they would never work anywhere else in Belfast either.
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  Speaker 3: So it was very it was it was.
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  Speaker 2: Quite a dramatic story that in that sense, But that
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  Speaker 2: kind of then, you know, begs the question how hour
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  Speaker 2: on earth did they do it? How did they carry
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  Speaker 2: it out?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: After Olympics accident with Hawk, she spent many weeks in
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the shipyard at Belfast, and I believe that the beginning
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: began to make changes to both ships because they were
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: almost identical, but they couldn't actually make them totally identical,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: but they tried to make the main differences in them,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: tried to eradicate the main differences in them and make
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: them as identical as possible, although it wasn't one hundred
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: percent practical. And so this is how the plot is
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: being discovered really through.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: So sorry, yeah, sorry for jumping. I hope you don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: mind time. But if you think about it, these are
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: new ships and if people are going on a maiden voyage,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: they don't actually even know what the ship looks.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Like exactly, Yeah, I absolutely are. Yeah, I mean again,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: we'll come on to some of that stuff shortly, but yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it's a very oid point. Yeah, so that there are
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: lots of pictures showing them in various stages of transition,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and using those pictures you can actually tell that that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the you know, there was there was a switch made. Okay,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: So on the very final weekend that the last changes
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: were made, and that involved changing lifeboats, the menus and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: letterheads that were available in the loungers, and of course
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the name plates because everything else was just white Star
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: standard issue. Those were the only things that actually bore
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the individual ship's names. And this exercise was carried out
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: by a small crew insiders, and these men were paid
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: about one hundred pounds each. Now in those days, one
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds was about a year's salary, So they were
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: paid one hundred pounds or a year's salary for one
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: final weekend, but they were also threatened with the loss
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: of livelihood in the event of their speaking out about
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: it in any way. So, yeah, Olympics made in voyage,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: which had taken place on Jane June nineteen eleven, just
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: under a year before the actual disaster. There was absolutely
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: no fanfare whatsoever. Titanic was launched in December nineteen eleven.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I believe she was renamed the Olympic eventually, and work
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: continued on the original Olympic, which was now titan to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: make her seaworthy enough for one dramatic final voyage. There's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: so many photographs of the two ships in various stages
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of changes that even the so called experts struggle to
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: separate the two. And of course most photographs in those
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: days had no dates, and if surreptitious changes were being
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: made alongside official ones, then the conclusion has to be
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that the photos do prove anything. But in my book
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Armos Olympic, there are a series of photographs that I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: believe does prove the switch. Okay, now, all passenger ships
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: at that time, and as far as I know, even today,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: there is something similar. But at that time it was
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: called the Board of Trade Certificate of Seaworthiness, and this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: involves a sea trial on open seas, which involve things
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like stopping within a certain time frame or a distance,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: starting turning circles. You know, the size of the turning circled,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the maneuverability, the adequate number of lifeboats, et cetera, et cetera.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know, so just bear that in mind as well,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: everyone that's listening. On Wednesday, tenth of April nineteen twelve,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Titanic left Southampton on its maiden voyage to New York
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and it's huge celebrations, calling at Sherberg in France and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Queenstown in Ireland. And it had two two hundred passengers
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and crew on board. Now surprisingly to most people, it
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: was only half full, which is which is very strange.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: And I'll comment to that in a moment why that
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: might be. But the and.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Before it actually sets south from Southampton, it had to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: be transported from Belfast down to Southampton, which is about
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: six hundred nautical miles, and there was a transit crew,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: like a skeleton crew if you like, who were responsible
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: for the safe passage of the liner from Belfast to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Southampton before the maiden voyage. Now, only two, only two
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: of that crew signed on for the voyage.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: What did they know? Okay?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And in addition to that, at that point in time
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in the British Isles, in Great Britain, there was a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: call strike going on.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: And what do.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: What is liners in those days users fuel coal so
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: there were lots and lots of liners, hundreds of them
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: laid up lying empty because the call track had been
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: going on for six weeks, and by the day of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Titanic sailing, passengers were getting absolutely desperate for births. Yeah,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Titanic was only half full. Now there was a ship
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: called the Californian which now enters the story, the SS Californian,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: which was part of the Red Star Line, not the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: White Star Line. This was a Red Star Line, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it was still owned by JP Morgan, so it was
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: part of JP Morgan's shipping group. Okay, five days earlier,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Californian departed for New York from London in the midst
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: of this nation White's coal strike and shortage, with no
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: passengers despite huge demand at this time for Transatlantic passagers,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and no cargo at all except for three thousand woolen
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: sweaters and three thousand woodn blankets. In fact, even Titanic,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: as I said, saled only half full when there was
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: this huge demands for places. First class passengers hoping to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: transfer to Titanic were only offered second class cabins, and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in those days, what self respecting first class passenger would
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: accept a second class cabin It just wasn't going to happen,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and I believe that was an attempt to keep the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: numbers manageable.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So, on the evening of the fourteenth, which was the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: evening of the disaster, SS Californian stopped dead in the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: middle of the ice field where Titanic was due to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: pass shortly and drifted with the ice whilst keeping all
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: its boilers fully fired. Now, three experienced Transatlantic sea captains
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: gave evidence that the American Inquiry that it was not
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: absolutely not common practice to stop or even slow down
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: in ice fields, except very occasionally in foggy conditions, because
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: icebergs were are extremely visible.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And yes, but also they deliberately went close to ice
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: isn't isn't is that something that was normal?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But the that area of the Atlantic that this
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: was an ice field, it was full of icebergs, Okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So it was unavoidable if you were going down that route. Okay,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you couldn't avoid the ice field because it was massive.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: What happens is that, obviously as the spring which is
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: on in the northern hemisphere, you know, the ice, the
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Arctic ice starts to melt and break off and it
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: comes down the Atlantic, you know, flows down the Atlantic.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So by mid end of April, which is where we're
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: at now, you know, there are lots of icebergs in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the North Atlantic, so in some respects it's unavoidable.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Californian stopped dead in this ice field where Titanic was
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: due to pass keeping. All these boilers fully fired, even
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: though it wasn't common practice to stop or even slow
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: down in ice fields, except very occasionally in foggy conditions.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: And this is because icebergs are extremely visible and thus
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: avoidable even at normal cruising speeds. And the night of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: the fourteenth, fifteenth of April, there was no fog. It
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: was an extremely clear, crisp night. There was no It
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: was freezing cold, but there was no fog. Okay, So
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: then forty pm local time, Titanic allegedly, and I use
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that word advisedly, Titanic allegedly hit the iceberg and sunk
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: three and a half hours later, with the loss of
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: fifteen hundred lives. Begs the case, and begs the question
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was there even an iceberg? And will come out of
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: that shortly?
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Interestingly, Titanic's turning circle and again this is all. You know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: this is all factual. It's not me making this stuff up.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Was such that it should easily have been able to
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: spot the iceberg in good time and avoid it. Officially,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it wasn't spotted until it was quote too late, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: in reality it was actually seen four miles away, which
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: is all which all rather strange.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Now I don't actually subscribe to the iceberg theory. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: think that they actually passed quite close to an iceberg
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to give the impression that did hit an iceberg all
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the ice on the decks, when we know there was
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: ice on the decks, But that could easily have been
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a result of the shaking loose of large amounts from
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: the miles of overhead rigging and wiring due to thrusting
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: engines into reverse, which is exactly what happened when the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: legends hadn't occurred. Titanic was thrust into reverse. Don't just imagine,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: you know, for the effect of that, just imagine driving
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: down the road and then suddenly slamming your car into reverse.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Well that's you know, that that kind of thing. We'll
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: have a massive impact on ice, you know, especially in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a ship. But yeah, that the damage to Titanic was
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: also very very strange. Its steel plates had a fifteen
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: centimeter wide puncture just about that, I guess, and that
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: at some place has penetrated one point six meters which
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: is about five feet in old money, into the inner
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: skin of the ship. And that would have needed a
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: really bizarre shaped ice crem for an iceberg to achieve that,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and one that would surely have snapped off in contact
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: with steel. And the other thing was it's meant to
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: have been three hundred feet long, which was about a
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: third of the length of the ship. So yeah, it's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's all very strange. But let's move on to the end.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Another three go on.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, just adding to what you said. I remember
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: reading somewhere I honestly cannot remember where I read or
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: saw this. But there was a report of an explosion
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: which which didn't align with the idea of the ship
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: scraping along ice.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, there is there was an explosion. We don't really
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: know what it was. I mean, some people think that
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: it was one of the boilers exploding when it came
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: into contact with, you know, with the cold water, because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the water was extremely cold. It was only something like
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: twenty eight degrees centigrade or something, sorry, twenty eight degrees fahrenheit,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: which you know is a blow freezing So yeah, that
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: could have caused a boiler explosion. But you know, there
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: are various different theories about that, and you know, we'll
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: probably never know the real reason for that. So yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: let's move on to the second string to this story.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: In my book Rims Olympic, I describe an intrinsic connection
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: between the sinking of the Titanic and the formation of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve Bank in America and the US in
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen and in nineteen ten this began. Seven prominent
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: men who were representative of various different financial interests met
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: totally incognito on a place called Jackal Island, which is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: off the coast of Georgia, USA, to hatch this plan
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to use the power to create money from the American
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: government and the result of this was going to be
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve Bank, which is the American central bank
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: in effect equivalent to, for example, the Bank of England
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and the UK. But this wasn't without strong opposition from
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: certain mega rich people. One of the main prime movers
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: behind the Federal Federal Reserve plans was a certain mister J. P. Morgan, surprise, surprise, who,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: as we've already discovered, he owned the White Star Line.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And there were four extremely wealthy men at this time
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: who were totally a post to the Federal Reserve plan,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: John Jacob Asta, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isadore Strauss, and Charles Limberg Senior.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Charles Limberg was the father of the famous flyer. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: because of any not because of any altruism on their part,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know, for the common people, but because they knew
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that the Federal Reserve Plan would mean soaring inflation and
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in built debt would really impact their own folk fortunes.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So that's why they were posed to it. And these
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: they had actually created a strong resistance movement on the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: East coast which was beginning to win the battle against
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve. And three of those men died on
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the Titanic. Now the fourth one, the one that didn't die,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Charles Limberg Senior, He wrote a book whose name escapes
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: me a well since I did this research. But he
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: wrote a book and he was paid at two hundred
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars not to publish it. Now two hundred thousand
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: dollars dollars nineteen ten dollars. Are you know it's it's many,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: many millions of dollars. He was paid not to publish it,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: which it didn't. Yeah, that's big, it is, absolutely yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so I said three of the three of
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the other three died on the Titanic coincidence. Well, i'll
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: let the listeners deside now, going back to the situation
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: about there being no fanfare whatsoever for the Olympic, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that being the first off a production line, you'd expect
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the maiden voyage to be hyped up for that one. No,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: it was the Titanic that suddenly that seemed to get
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: all this attention. And I believe that the rich and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: famous were lureding great numbers to this hyped up Maiden
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Voyage by Morgan, who, by the way, mysteriously failed to
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: show at Southampton Docks in time for the departure of
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the shape. He was meant to sail on the Titanic
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: along with about fifty of his friends and colleagues. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's how he lured Aster, Guggenheim and
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Strauss aboard, by personal invitation and by booking a passage
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: for himself. You know, that's just my speculation, but there
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you go. It's perfectly possible, I think. So let's look
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit about how the accident was facilitated and
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: how they expected to pull off the deception. Well, obviously
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it was no accident. Now I believe that Stanley Lord,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: who was captain of the Californian, remember the ship that
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: got stuck, that was parked up in the ice field.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I believe he was in on.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The plot because, as I said, the Red Style Line
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: which owned the Californian, was also owned by JP Morgan. Now,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: several years previously, Lord Stanley Lord had successfully evacuated two
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: thousand people from a ship in an exercise in an
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: under an hour, So perfect man for the job. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I believe it was his intention to save most of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the passengers and allow a select few to become victims
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to cover up the disposal of the Federal Reserve conspirators,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: because if they'd just been bumped off in any old way,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: it would look rather suspicious. But who would believe that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: there was a conspiracy going on when they just died
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: as part of you know, several one hundred, few thousand
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: other people. So I think the idea was that the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Californian would be standing by, complete with three thousand blankets
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and three thousand sweaters to pick up most of the survivors.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Several passengers said afterwards, survivors obviously that they'd been told
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: by White Star Line staff on the ship at the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: time that the not to worry because the Californian was
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: on its way to pick them up. What to giveaway,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Californian was totally in communicado, nineteen miles away with its
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: wireless switched off and beyond visible contact, and there'd been
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: no communications at all between Californian and Titanic up till
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: that point other than three messages from Californian or possibly
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: four to Titanic general messages giving their position.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: That was it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: So you know where the White Star Line staff, seeing
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: White Style Line staff had got this idea that Californian
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: was on its way to pick them up. Your guess
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: is as good as mine, And you know that those
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: people that made that statement was certainly would not have
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: been privy to the uh, you know, to the fact
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that Californian has been transmitting its position.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as I said, it's absolutely totally uncertain as to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: whether she actually hits an iceberg, and she was possibly
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: deliberately steered into one, or maybe possibly as would kind
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: of allude it to before, maybe sunk by a boiler
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: explosion or another ship.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: We'll never know, but you know this, I can only
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: tell you the facts that I know now. One eyewitness
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: afterwards swore that it's seen what he described as a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: yellow funnel ship directly alongside at the time of the incident,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and this is known as the yellow funnel Steamer mystery.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: This ship was seen in the vicinity of Titanic at
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the time of the sinking by crew members of the Californian.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And indeed, when the Carpaedia, which was the ship that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: picked up all the survivors, when she picked them up,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: there was a lifeboat that was floating there that was
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: of a different color and design to that of Titanic,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: an empty lifeboat, which you know, did that come from
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the yellow funneled steamer as a result of a collision
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: with Titanic. Who knows this was the ship some kind
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: of an icebreaker or something that were damaged Titanic.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Well, we just don't know. It's all speculation, but.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Carpavia came along and picked up all the
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: survivors of seven hundred and five people about three and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a half hours after the ship sank, and she was
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: fitted out like a hospital ship and had seven doctors
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: on board. Weirdly, and even at the time both inquiries,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: both the American and the British, were widely thought to be.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Whitewashers.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: There were no witnesses called from the passenger contingent at all,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: except for the Gordon's Gin family, you know the Gordon's Gin,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: the famous Gin Company. No witnesses were allowed to give
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: per evidence, and they were strictly forbidden from speaking other
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: than to give simple answers to direct questions without elaboration,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and when questioned by the press, Captain Lord of the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Californian said, and I quote, I am not allowed to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: give out state secrets. You will have to ask those
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: in the office. Very enigmatic We on earth did that mean?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: We can only speculate. And upon arrival the surviving crew
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: members back in England two weeks after the disaster, they
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: were all illegally detained overnight in a holding pain in
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Plymouth Docks without access to any legal or union representation,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and were coerced into signing a document that they believe
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: was the Official Secrets Act. The Official Secrets Act had
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: been put into place a couple of years earlier in
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: readiness for war, because they knew that war was imminent,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and it was it gave the government the power to,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: you know, have detain people in prison people if they
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: gave away anything that they deemed deemed to be an
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: official secret. So that was the document that these guys
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: believed that they had signed. So there was only five
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: witnesses to the fact that she'd hit an Iceberg, Murdoch,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the first officer, William Murdock, the two lookouts in the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: crow's nest, the helmsman, and one other ordinary seaman, And significantly,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Murdoch committed suicide in the aftermath of the collision, leaving
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: as the only witnesses. Only surviving witnesses for working classmen.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And I emphasized that working classmen because it was far
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: far easier to keep them quiet through threats to their
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: and their family's future livelihoods. And obviously I believe that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that's exactly what happened, and I provide evidence for that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in the books. Now, was Titanic set up by Captain Smith.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Captain Smith was a captain of the s Itnic on
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: the orders of JP Morgan to enter an ice field
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: at high speed against you know, against total common sense,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: with the intent of ramming her with the Yellow Fluence steamer,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: which could well have been an icebreaker.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: As I said.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Before, in order to provide a plausible cover story to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: kill two birds are on stone connect the insurance pay
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: out for the rect Olympic and also, excuse me, God,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Thember voices going excuse me, and also to rid the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Federal Reserve conspirators of their powerful enemies. There were six
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: significant deaths Captain Smith himself, Chief Officer Wilde, first Officer Murdoch,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: all of whom I suspect for being privy to the plan,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: plus Guggenheim, Strauss and Astor the anti Feders guys. And
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: there is no real eyewitness evidence of what happened to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: any of them at all. According to the official legend,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: none of them attempted to escape. Captain Smith allegedly decided
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: to go down with his ship. Murdock allegedly shot himself.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Captain Smith decided to go down with the ship. As
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I said, Murdock allegedly shot himself. Why Guggenheim allegedly, according
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to all the Titanic legend, he dressed in his best
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and prepared to go down like a gentleman. Astor apparently
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just walked away, never to be seen again, after being
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: denied access to a lifeboat with his wife, and were
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: told that Strauss and his wife retired to their stateroom
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: to await death together peacefully. All very romantic and melodramatic stuff,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: not to mention very convenient. But it's highly significant to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: me that Guggenheim, Astor, and Strauss were all well known
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to be opponents of the Federal Reserve system, and significantly
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: they were also the most well known of the victims,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: very few of whom, incidentally, were first class passengers. So
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: it's rather strange that of the first class passengers, of
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: which a very high percentage survived, that those three all didn't.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: You know, you think at least one, possibly two, as
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the law of averages goes, would have survived. But no,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: there weren't that many first last deaths. But yet all
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: three of those didn't survive. So the upshot was that
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Morgan got his insurance pay out, and the Federal Reserve
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: came to pass the following year with little to no resistance,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: which obviously enabled the elite to begin the next phase
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: of the Grand Plan. In nineteen fourteen, an engineer the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: outbreak of World War One, which is exactly what happened.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: And again I go into more details about that in
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the book. World War One had been planned as early
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: as eighteen ninety, but financers needed to do it, and
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve provided that. Because obviously the Federal Reserve
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: came to pass the following year after the Titanic incident,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and you know, all the opposition have been removed because
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the campaign just fell apart when those three were the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: main guys involved in it. It just fell apart once
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they were all dead. Okay, So now I believe that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the British government of the day were also complicit in
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: this scheme because they knew that if Olympic had had
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to be scrapped, then there was no doubt at all
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: that Harland and Wolf, the Ship Brothers and White Star
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Line would have gone too. It's almost certain that Morgan
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: would have cut his losses and pulled out, and they
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: damage to the British economy, the unemployment figures that would
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: have resulted thirty thousand, the Low Harland and Wolf similar
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: amount of White Star several more thousand plus associated dependent industries.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Then the Liberal government would surely have faced a humiliating
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: defeat in the next election. So that's why I believe
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that the British government was complicit in it. Now, yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: here we could come onto the propeller thing. When Titanic's
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: wreck was investigated by Robert Ballard, Robert Ballard, he saw
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: some mysterious unaccounted for in the blueprints, thick steel support
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: struts bracing the keel, which were consistent with the alleged
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: repairs to Olympic after the Hawk incident. And what's more,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: when the propeller, one of the propellers on the alleged
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Titanic at the bottom of the sea was exposed, it
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it bore the the stamp of Titanic's build numberfore one,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: which a lot of people say proves that it was
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: actually Titanic down on the sea floor. But no, not necessarily,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: because what happened was they borrowed the propellers of the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: unbuilt Titanic.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: So that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So yeah, it's it's a very it's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: a very long, complicated story and there's also there's another interest.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: If I've got time, there's another interesting little snippet I've
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: got here. This was I mean, okay, there was there was.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: First of all, let's say it was a common scam
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: in those days to switch ship's identities. So this is
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: this was a one off. This is this is this
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: was a common thing in those days, you know, for
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: insurance fraud. Now, there there was a guy by the
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: name of Lewis Klein who's he was a witness to this,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: but his name has been expunged from the Cruelest But
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: we know we know that he was member of the
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: crew because he actually was subpoenaed. And again this appears
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: in the American inquiry transcripts. He was subpoena to appear
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: at the inquiry, but he escaped. He was held under
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: lock and key, but he managed to escape the day
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: before the inquiry, and nobody ever saw him again. Now,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: this guy could speak no English. He was Austro Hungarian,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: and he apparently shouted a warning to the lookouts and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: to the bridge. There was no one there. But let
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: me let me give you a testament. I've just brought
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: it up here that his testamenty said This is testimony
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that was read out in the American Inquiry. He said
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: there was a ball falling, a banquet of some kind
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: going on down below when I went upon watch at
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: nine thirty o'clock, and the captain and the officers were
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: there with many passengers. After the party, the stewards sent
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the champagne and wines that were left over to the crew.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I know that many of them were drunk. A passenger
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: standing at the rail saw something dead ahead, or maybe
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a little to the starboard. Look quick, see the hill
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: over there. I saw it was a big iceberg and
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: ran for the bridge. The third officer was coming and
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: yelled to me to ask what the matter was. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: couldn't stop to answer. I was too excited. I ran
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: for the spar with the crow's nest on it and
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: shouted to the lookout I knew was up there to
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: give the alarm. Not a word did I hear, so
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I started up the spa. It was less than a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: minute after I left the promenade deck that I got
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: to the top of the spa and found the lookouts
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: fast asleep.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: I rang the alarm bell myself. So there you go.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Now the insurance scam we are getting really getting to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the end now. Titanic costs two point five million to build,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: two five million pounds, and of course the badly damaged
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Olympic was uninsurable. White Star Line normally insurance ships for
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the value, so therefore the payout
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: for Titanic would have been around one point eight million.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: In fact, the insurance on Titanic was upped the week
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: before the maiden voyage to three point two million, which
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Lloyd's of London paid out within a week of the disaster.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: So were this story about uping insurance before? I'm sure
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: this rings about for a lot of people. Yeah, could
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it have been nine to eleven?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: But not something John.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: The the actual footage of the ship at the bottom
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of the ocean, I've seen some of it, and although
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to make up what's going on there, there
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: certainly is evidence of the ship that's at the bottom
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of the ocean not being the Titanic itself.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I think I know the piece of footage
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: that you refer to. Is it the one where the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: letters on the nameplate are that you can actually clearly
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: not clearly, but you can vaguely see an M and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: a P.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, something that's fake.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And there's also something about thet not the whole, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the you know the one I'm talking about.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, where the cabins the shape of the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: windows in the cabins are slightly different Olympic. Yeah yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: and yeah, then the ship down below the sea has
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: definitely got Olympic shaped cabin windows, not Titanic shaped cabin windows.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the things that they couldn't
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: possibly have changed because it would have taken too much
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: time cost too much money.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I mean also yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: That again, at the end of the day, anybody who
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: was climbing onto the ship for the first time would never.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Have known No, absolutely, it was yeah, I.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't have known about the switch because they didn't know
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: what the original ship looked like exactly.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And that there the people say to may ar Well
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: that everything would have looked worn and sang hand, yes,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: the main thing that would have been looked worn was
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the floor, but they actually tight Olympics was just a
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: tile floor through out the entire ship, but they actually
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: carpeted it. Titanic was carpeted, so that covered up, all
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: the scuff marks on the fact title floors, So yeah,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: everything else would have been easily easily covered up.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you said you had something to say about the captain.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Have I got time? Yes, I've got time. Yeah, okay, right, yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: all right, all right. What if Captain Smith actually survived
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: against all the odds, but that fact was suppressed, possibly
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: to prevent his testifying inquiries. You might think that's ridiculous,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: but there is some evidence to back up this premise.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: There's I uncovered a newspaper report from the twenty first
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: to July nineteen twelve in the Washington Herald, and it
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: said Baltimore, July twentieth, nineteen twelve. Peter Pryle, a wealthy
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: retired mariner of this city who was a shipmate of
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Captain Smith of the Titanic for seventeen years, declared today
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: that he saw Captain Smith in Baltimore yesterday and spoke
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: with him. He said he met him on the street
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: on Thursday and accosted him, but the captain brushed by
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: him angrily. The next day, he declared he saw him
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: again and followed him around the city to a railroad station,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: where the Captain bought a ticket for Washington. Just as
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: he was about to pass through the gates, Prile declared.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: The man turned to him and greeted him by name.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I'm on business. Don't worry me, Prior, he said, be
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: good to yourself, old shipmate, and we meet again. Prile
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: is now under the care of a physician, suffering from
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: nervous shock brought on by the experience. His physician declared,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: he is absolutely sane, is well known in Baltimore and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: an active church member. So what do we make of that?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And first, he could hardly be in a case of
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: mistaken identity, as actually spoke to him, and in return
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: he was addressed not only by his name, but also
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: a shipmate. And also this guy was a retired wealthy mariner.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It could be argued that it was simply a case
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: of Prile trying to make a fast book out of
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the episode. But on the contrary, it was seen that
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: he would have everything to lose nothing to gain by
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: relating his experience to a newspaper. It appears to be
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: a normal, upstanding, church going member of society, and he
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: was declared absolutely saying by his doctor, So how else
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: would we explain it?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: A loss. Of course it's the truth. And then on.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: The twelfth February nineteen forty, in the twelfth nineteen forty
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: twelfth of February nineteen forty issue of Life magazine, there
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: is a letter from a guy by the name of
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Charles Wilson which states as follows. Twenty eight years ago,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Captain E. J. Smith of the Titanic disappeared in New York.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Three years later, an unknown Nilis man, whom local police
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: called Silent Smith, died in Lima, Ohio. The stranger wouldn't
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: talk except a much as Smith when asked his name.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Undoubtedly he was a seaman. The Rock of Ages tattooed
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: on his chest, a map of the Pacific was tattooed
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: on his back. His height and weight were the same
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: as the Titanic's Captain Smith. Embalmed by a local undertaker,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Silent Smith's body has been kept on display in an
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: effort to identify him. No one has yet been able
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: to do so. And yeah, there's a lot more information
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: about that, but that's just a you know, if did
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Smith did survive, he must have been on board Carpavia
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: because Californian was far too late in arriving and only
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: turned up after everybody had, you know, got onto Carpavia.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: So upon Carpavia's arrival in New York, Captain Rostron of
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: the Carpavia, his priority seemed not to disembark Titanic's traumatic
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: passengers at the opportunity, but to unload Titanic's lifeboats at
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the White Star Peer. Maybe Smith and possibly others were
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: concealed within them lifeboats, and could this only be could
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: this be another reason that Rostron maintained radio silence until
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: he got to New York, which it did, and until
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the story which was meant for public consumption, had been
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: agreed upon by the perpetrators. You know, as with everything else,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: we'll never know for sure, but at the very least,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: it's it's an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that, by
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the way, as there is to the entire story.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: But you know, that's kind of a taste.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: If I think yeah, and I think you've you've covered
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the meat, which is yeah, I would argue very persuasive.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, the other thing that we mustn't forget is
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: that the Titanic was a ship of its time. There
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: weren't there was no social media. It was very difficult
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to counter argue what was going on in the shipyard
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: because people were just simply not let in.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you're right.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I mean there was no social media, there were no
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: news reporters, you know, no TV crews, no you know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: wireless people looking for stories. It was just it was
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: a very very different world one hundred and one hundred
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: and ten hundred and thirteen years ago, very very different.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it would have been much easier. You probably
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't do it today. You probably could not do the
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Titanic deception today because it will be leaked within minutes
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and it'll be viral.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: And a very important part of the story is the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: fact that the official narrative that keeps getting repeated is
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: based on a book by a guy who by a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: guy I worked for.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: The CIA exactly, and that that really rang a larmballs
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: in my head when I found that out, and I thought,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: what on earth was a CIA agent doing writing a
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: book about a sea accident, you know, forty years previously.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: As I said right at the beginning, it just didn't
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: ring true to me at all. And that book, you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: the contents of that book have become the official story.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: John, How can I get your book an actual in
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: national effect follow your work.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I have a website called Falsification Ofhistory dot
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: co dot UK. You know you can order all my
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: books and all nine of them, please do from there directly,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: but only if you're in the UK. Sadly, because of
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: shipping abroad is very very difficult. It's become almost impossible lately,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: you know, get so many books turned away and returned
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: and just disappearing altogether. Refused by customs is another thing.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So I only post signed copies in the UK. But
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: the ubiquitous Amazon, you know, it is for anyone who's worldwide.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: All my books are on there on my author page
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: if you just search my name John Aimer, there I am.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, people in the UK can order signed copies
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: direct from my website, which also as well, I mean,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: the website also contains lots and lots of interesting articles
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: as well, you know that I've written over the years,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: and you know, all my podcasts are on there. For example,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I always put a link to my podcast some of
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: them are sadly broken now after many many years, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: you know there's still you know, dozens, if not hundreds
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: of my podcasts on there.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So John Haimer, thank you for joining me in the drenchers.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much being a pleasure friend.