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- 1:31Speaker 2: On September one, nineteen ninety five, a police officer in
- 1:35Speaker 2: Fort Smith, Arkansas, pulled over a vehicle. A man named
- 1:39Speaker 2: Jerry Cogan was driving and his girlfriend, twenty four year
- 1:42Speaker 2: old Laurie Murchis, was the passenger. Laurie worked at a
- 1:47Speaker 2: local nursing home. She had a four year old daughter
- 1:49Speaker 2: named Brittany, and she adored her little girl. But Laurie
- 1:53Speaker 2: had been battling an addiction to drugs, according to what
- 1:57Speaker 2: her friends told police, mainly to crank or methamphetamines and
- 2:01Speaker 2: Laurie also drank alcohol. Because of that, Laurie had been
- 2:05Speaker 2: moving around a little. She had been living on and
- 2:08Speaker 2: off with her mother, Nancy Murchison, and also sometimes staying
- 2:12Speaker 2: at different local motels. Her mother, Nancy, had been taking
- 2:17Speaker 2: care of Laurie's daughter. Laurie and Jerry were out at
- 2:20Speaker 2: a bar that night when the officer pulled them over.
- 2:23Speaker 2: He believed that both of them had been drinking, so
- 2:26Speaker 2: he placed Jerry under arrest for DUI and Laurie for
- 2:30Speaker 2: suspicion of public intoxication. Laurie was taken to the Sebastian
- 2:34Speaker 2: County Jail. She was released some time after five am
- 2:38Speaker 2: on September second. She told detectives that she planned to
- 2:42Speaker 2: get money and come back to bail Jerry out. Jerry
- 2:46Speaker 2: had given her fifty dollars, but Laurie needed more. Another
- 2:50Speaker 2: inmate later told detectives that she heard Laurie talking to
- 2:54Speaker 2: other women in the holding cells about finding a bail
- 2:57Speaker 2: bond place. Laurie also specifically told jailers she was going
- 3:02Speaker 2: to pick up her paycheck from the Oaks Lodge nursing
- 3:04Speaker 2: home where she had been working, cash it, and come
- 3:07Speaker 2: back to bail Jerry out. Most recently, Laurie had been
- 3:12Speaker 2: staying with Jerry at the Continental Motel in Fort Smith.
- 3:16Speaker 2: Between two and four pm on September second, Laurie went
- 3:19Speaker 2: to the office of the Continental Motel to get a
- 3:21Speaker 2: key to her room. This is according to an April
- 3:24Speaker 2: two thousand and five Times Record report. Laurie's mother said
- 3:28Speaker 2: that she last talked to Laurie on September second. She
- 3:32Speaker 2: said that when she talked to her on the phone,
- 3:34Speaker 2: Laurie told her that she and Jerry were planning on
- 3:36Speaker 2: moving out of Nancy's house, that they had found a
- 3:39Speaker 2: room at a local motel. Laurie said that she would
- 3:43Speaker 2: come to NaN's house the next day to pick Brittany up,
- 3:47Speaker 2: but she never returned to the jail, and she did
- 3:50Speaker 2: not pick up her paycheck at the nursing home. The
- 3:53Speaker 2: last time she was seen alive was at the Continental
- 3:56Speaker 2: Motel when she picked up a key to her room.
- 4:00Speaker 2: After that, she left that motel. None of her close
- 4:03Speaker 2: friends or family ever heard from Laurie Murchison again. Her
- 4:07Speaker 2: family had no way of knowing where she was, or
- 4:10Speaker 2: that the hunt for this missing mother would eventually involve
- 4:14Speaker 2: charges of corruption at the highest levels of State government.
- 4:19Speaker 2: I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the past five years of making
- 4:22Speaker 2: my true crime podcast, Healing Gone, I've learned that there
- 4:25Speaker 2: is no such thing as a small town where murdered
- 4:28Speaker 2: never happens. I've received hundreds of messages from people all
- 4:32Speaker 2: around the country asking for help with an unsolved murder
- 4:35Speaker 2: that's affected them, their families, and their communities. If you
- 4:39Speaker 2: have a case you'd like me and my team to
- 4:41Speaker 2: look into, you can reach out to us at our
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- 4:54Speaker 2: send us a message at Helen gonpod. This is Helen
- 4:58Speaker 2: Gone Murder Line. Days went by, Laurie Murchison never showed
- 5:46Speaker 2: up to pick up her daughter, Brittany. According to media
- 5:49Speaker 2: reports at the time, Laurie had been making regular trips
- 5:54Speaker 2: back and forth to Wilburton, Oklahoma. This was happening for
- 5:58Speaker 2: some time prior to her disappearance. A friend of hers
- 6:02Speaker 2: told police that Laurie had disappeared before and that she
- 6:05Speaker 2: had stayed gone for as long as a month at
- 6:08Speaker 2: a time. But Laurie's mother, Nancy, was worried because she
- 6:13Speaker 2: told detectives even if Lourie didn't come by, she always
- 6:18Speaker 2: checked in, and Nancy believed she would never stay out
- 6:20Speaker 2: of communication with her daughter for that long. Nancy officially
- 6:24Speaker 2: reported Lourie missing on September fifth, nineteen ninety five. Police
- 6:29Speaker 2: talked to people who claimed they had seen Laurie walking
- 6:32Speaker 2: around in different locations. They confirmed she was released from
- 6:36Speaker 2: jail at approximately five forty am on September second. In
- 6:41Speaker 2: the day's following Laurie's disappearances, missing posters went up describing
- 6:45Speaker 2: Laurie and the last clothes. She was seen in a
- 6:48Speaker 2: white sleeveless cotton shirt cut off blue denim shorts, white socks,
- 6:52Speaker 2: black sandals, a gold oval shaped knuckle ring on her
- 6:56Speaker 2: left index finger, and a cross necklace on a black ribbon.
- 7:01Speaker 2: Laurie was white, with brown hair that was bleached blonde,
- 7:04Speaker 2: and brown eyes. She did have several distinctive tattoos, including
- 7:09Speaker 2: a tattoo of a unicorn on her left shoulder, a
- 7:11Speaker 2: tattoo of a heart with an arrow piercing it on
- 7:14Speaker 2: her left breast, and a rose tattoo on her left ankle.
- 7:18Speaker 2: Laurie also wore dentures and had several teeth missing. Police,
- 7:23Speaker 2: of course had to consider the possibility that Lurie had
- 7:26Speaker 2: gone missing voluntarily, but this seemed unlikely given the fact
- 7:31Speaker 2: she never picked up her last paycheck from work. Detective Barrows,
- 7:35Speaker 2: one of the investigators on the case, met with Laurie's mother, Nancy.
- 7:40Speaker 2: Nancy gave detectives information about some of Laurie's close friends.
- 7:44Speaker 2: Nancy later told The Times Record that Laurie was scared
- 7:49Speaker 2: worried about something that she had seen or heard in
- 7:51Speaker 2: the weeks before her disappearance. A few weeks before her
- 7:55Speaker 2: daughter went missing, Nancy told police that Laurie came home
- 7:59Speaker 2: afraid that someone was going to come after her, saying
- 8:02Speaker 2: things like they're gonna off me. Nancy said she didn't
- 8:06Speaker 2: know who or what Laurie was talking about or what
- 8:09Speaker 2: could have scared her, and police weren't getting much from
- 8:13Speaker 2: Laurie's friends. None of them had heard from her, and
- 8:15Speaker 2: no one seemed to know where she had gone. Laurie
- 8:19Speaker 2: had been talking to some female prisoners in jail before
- 8:21Speaker 2: she was released. They told police they heard Lurie talking
- 8:26Speaker 2: about a local bonding agency, so it seemed like Laurie
- 8:30Speaker 2: had been planning on getting out of jail, picking up
- 8:32Speaker 2: her paycheck, and bailing out her boyfriend, but there were
- 8:35Speaker 2: a lot of dead ends. We did a Foyer request
- 8:38Speaker 2: for Laurie's case file, but we only got part of
- 8:41Speaker 2: it covering the first few weeks of the investigation. An
- 8:45Speaker 2: officer from the Fort Smith Police Department went to the
- 8:48Speaker 2: Midland Motel, the motel where Laurie was living before she
- 8:51Speaker 2: moved to the Continental, but no one had seen her there.
- 8:55Speaker 2: Police were able to figure out that on the night
- 8:58Speaker 2: Laurie was arrested, she and her boyfriend Jerry, went to
- 9:01Speaker 2: a bar called Shooters. They were hanging out there from
- 9:04Speaker 2: around seven to around eleven PM or midnight, right before
- 9:08Speaker 2: they were pulled over by police. Police checked local hospitals, motels,
- 9:13Speaker 2: and rehabs, but no one had seen Laurie Murchison. Police
- 9:17Speaker 2: also talked to Laurie's boyfriend, Jerry. He said he had
- 9:21Speaker 2: no idea where his girlfriend had gone. Police did say
- 9:24Speaker 2: he was cooperative and they cleared him pretty quickly. Nancy
- 9:29Speaker 2: did tell police that Jerry had told her that since
- 9:32Speaker 2: he and Laurie had been together, they hadn't been to
- 9:34Speaker 2: any bars. Now obviously this wasn't true because Laurie and
- 9:39Speaker 2: Jerry were at shooters and they were intoxicated when they
- 9:42Speaker 2: were picked up. But there are a lot of reasons
- 9:45Speaker 2: why Jerry might have told this small white lie to
- 9:48Speaker 2: Laurie's mother. Jerry Cogan was working at a glass plant
- 9:52Speaker 2: in Midland. He came in and talked to detectives, and
- 9:55Speaker 2: apparently he was very cooperative. He said he was as
- 9:58Speaker 2: shocked as anyone else when Laurie never showed up to
- 10:01Speaker 2: come bail him out. During this time, detectives did get
- 10:04Speaker 2: a report that a body was found a white female
- 10:07Speaker 2: in Salasaw Creek in Oklahoma, but it was not Laurie.
- 10:13Speaker 2: Laurie had been at work at the nursing home on Friday.
- 10:16Speaker 2: A friend of hers named Ronda had seen her there,
- 10:19Speaker 2: but Ronda said that was the last time that she
- 10:21Speaker 2: saw Laurie. Laurie never came back. Police wondered could someone
- 10:26Speaker 2: at the nursing home have wanted to hurt Laurie. During
- 10:32Speaker 2: this time, Captain J. C Ryder, one of the investigators
- 10:36Speaker 2: on the case, interviewed a confidential informant. This was someone
- 10:39Speaker 2: who was in jail in Ozark. Now. This person told
- 10:42Speaker 2: him Laurie had been having a sexual relationship with a
- 10:46Speaker 2: married man who worked with her at the nursing home,
- 10:48Speaker 2: and that the married man's wife was violent and it
- 10:51Speaker 2: threatened to kill Laurie. J. C. Rider interviewed the married man.
- 10:56Speaker 2: This person denied having a relationship with Laurie. They said
- 10:59Speaker 2: they had never had more than a casual conversation with her.
- 11:03Speaker 2: When Captain Rider asked who would have a reason to
- 11:06Speaker 2: make up a story like that, this person gave the
- 11:09Speaker 2: name of someone who was married to one of his
- 11:11Speaker 2: family members, someone with a grudge against him. He said
- 11:15Speaker 2: he didn't know if this guy would know about the
- 11:16Speaker 2: disappearance of Lurie since this person was in jail in Ozark.
- 11:21Speaker 2: Captain Rider said after reviewing the information, he believed that
- 11:25Speaker 2: the married man was being truthful about not having a
- 11:28Speaker 2: relationship with Laurie. Captain Rider also spoke to the man's wife.
- 11:32Speaker 2: She said she had no knowledge of an affair between
- 11:35Speaker 2: him and Laurie, so that possibility of Laurie having an
- 11:39Speaker 2: affair with a married man that led to her death
- 11:41Speaker 2: was apparently ruled out. Police investigated another man, someone with
- 11:46Speaker 2: a long criminal record, including aggravated robbery, burglary, assault and battery.
- 11:51Speaker 2: This person was one of Lurie's acquaintances, but apparently this
- 11:56Speaker 2: was another dead end. Nancy told police about some friends
- 12:00Speaker 2: of Lourie's, a man named Floyd who was nicknamed Corky,
- 12:04Speaker 2: and his wife Sue. Nancy Murchison said Sue told someone
- 12:10Speaker 2: that one night Laurie showed up at her house with
- 12:12Speaker 2: two men in a red car. Sue denied telling Nancy
- 12:16Speaker 2: this when police asked her about it, but Corky said
- 12:20Speaker 2: Sue had told him that same story. So who were
- 12:24Speaker 2: these two men, what did they want? And could they
- 12:27Speaker 2: have had anything to do with Lurie's disappearance. Another detective,
- 12:31Speaker 2: Detective Reese, called the Razorback cab company, trying to retrace
- 12:35Speaker 2: Lori's steps after she was released from jail. He figured
- 12:39Speaker 2: out that a driver had picked her up at a
- 12:41Speaker 2: local bonding company. The driver told police he took Lurie
- 12:45Speaker 2: to a local Taco bell to pick up her car,
- 12:48Speaker 2: but the driver said that Lourie's car was not there.
- 12:52Speaker 2: The cab driver said at this point, Laurie was upset
- 12:55Speaker 2: and surprised because she said the police had told her
- 12:58Speaker 2: they were not going to tow the car, so the
- 13:01Speaker 2: driver told police that after that, Laurie had him drive
- 13:04Speaker 2: her to a local apartment complex. The Weregond Courts, so
- 13:08Speaker 2: detectives went to that apartment complex they found a man
- 13:12Speaker 2: named Billy Aaron. Billy told them that he knew someone
- 13:16Speaker 2: who may have information about Loriie. This person's name was Jimmy.
- 13:20Speaker 2: He was living in an apartment in that complex, and
- 13:23Speaker 2: Jimmy was living on and off with a woman named
- 13:25Speaker 2: Mary Chipman who went by the nickname Cricket. Jimmy's exact
- 13:30Speaker 2: address was kind of a mystery. He said. He stayed
- 13:33Speaker 2: sometimes in Van Buren with a woman, some of the
- 13:35Speaker 2: time with his mom, and part of the time in
- 13:37Speaker 2: another house. Billy said Jimmy and Cricket fought a lot,
- 13:42Speaker 2: that Cricket had kicked you out of his house from
- 13:44Speaker 2: time to time, and that at that point Jimmy ended
- 13:48Speaker 2: up crashing with Billy. In fact, a lot of what
- 13:51Speaker 2: unfolded next would center on that apartment complex, the Ragon Court,
- 13:56Speaker 2: and on apartment number eighty seven, where Billy said Jimmy
- 13:59Speaker 2: and Cricket were living, and according to Billy, they also
- 14:03Speaker 2: all hung out regularly at Shooters, the bar where Laurie
- 14:06Speaker 2: and Jerry were last seen before they got arrested. Billy's
- 14:10Speaker 2: story was that Jimmy had come over to his place
- 14:13Speaker 2: and that they were drinking one night. Billy said they
- 14:16Speaker 2: happened to be watching TV and a news story about
- 14:19Speaker 2: Lourie's disappearance came on. Billy said Jimmy told him that
- 14:22Speaker 2: he recognized Laurie. Billy said Jimmy had seen Laurie at
- 14:27Speaker 2: a party at Cricket's place, which he said was apartment
- 14:30Speaker 2: number eighty seven, where they were doing drugs. He said
- 14:33Speaker 2: Kirky was there too that night, and at that party,
- 14:37Speaker 2: Laurie was sitting in a chair. Laurie overdosed and died.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Billy said, quote, Cricket went ape, shit, started throwing shit,
- 14:46Speaker 2: throwing everybody out, flipping out and all this. That's when
- 14:49Speaker 2: they picked her up and carried her outside. He said
- 14:52Speaker 2: that they carried her out like she was drunk, put
- 14:55Speaker 2: her in the vehicle like she was drunk, and he
- 14:57Speaker 2: drove off end quote. He is in reference to Corky,
- 15:01Speaker 2: by the way, because according to Jimmy's story, Corky drove
- 15:05Speaker 2: off somewhere and buried the body. Billy said that Jimmy
- 15:09Speaker 2: told him he didn't know where they went and that
- 15:11Speaker 2: he didn't have a lot of other details. Billy said, quote,
- 15:15Speaker 2: he said, at least you ought to have the decency
- 15:17Speaker 2: to tell somebody or just let somebody know. That's what
- 15:20Speaker 2: he said there in my house end quote. Later, the
- 15:24Speaker 2: Fort Smith Police Department interviewed Cricket, but they said she
- 15:28Speaker 2: was actually living in apartment number ninety nine. At first,
- 15:31Speaker 2: police said Cricket seemed uncooperative, but she eventually told police
- 15:35Speaker 2: that on the night Laurie was arrested, she was out
- 15:38Speaker 2: with her boyfriend. She said Laurie had stopped by her
- 15:41Speaker 2: residence while she was out and talked to her babysitter,
- 15:43Speaker 2: then Laurie left. Cricket said she never saw Laurie that night.
- 15:49Speaker 2: Then Cricket changed her story. This time she said she
- 15:52Speaker 2: was out with another guy. Police said she never mentioned
- 15:57Speaker 2: this other guy before, and they were asking her a
- 15:59Speaker 2: lot of questions about her story and why it changed.
- 16:02Speaker 2: They searched Cricket's room and seized items described as drug paraphernalia,
- 16:07Speaker 2: but Cricket was never arrested or charged in connection with
- 16:10Speaker 2: Laurie's death, and after the initial few weeks it seemed
- 16:14Speaker 2: like Laurie's case went cold. No trace of Laurie was
- 16:18Speaker 2: found and no body. But then Lourie Murchison made headlines
- 16:23Speaker 2: again because there was a big development in the case
- 16:27Speaker 2: from a very unexpected source. News broke that the FBI
- 16:32Speaker 2: was investigating the prosecutor for Sebastian County, Ron Fields, of
- 16:36Speaker 2: dealing drugs and of ordering the murder of Lorie Murchison,
- 16:41Speaker 2: and that the person who ron Fields allegedly ordered to
- 16:45Speaker 2: murder Laurie Murchison was one of the investigators on the case,
- 16:49Speaker 2: the police captain j c Ryder. In the weeks following
- 17:04Speaker 2: Laurie Murchison's disappearance, police were questioning people at a nearby
- 17:09Speaker 2: apartment complex. They found a man named Billy, who claimed
- 17:12Speaker 2: that Laurie overdosed at the residence of a woman named
- 17:15Speaker 2: Cricket in a room at the Ragencourt apartment complex, and
- 17:19Speaker 2: that they carried her lifeless body out in a vehicle.
- 17:23Speaker 2: Billy claimed that Jimmy was afraid to tell the authorities
- 17:26Speaker 2: because Jimmy was afraid that he would be charged with
- 17:29Speaker 2: her death and disposal of her body. Then the case
- 17:33Speaker 2: went quiet for years, but then all of a sudden.
- 17:38Speaker 2: Around two thousand and five, Laurie Murchison made headlines again
- 17:43Speaker 2: because there was a huge development in the case from
- 17:45Speaker 2: a very unexpected source. News broke that the FBI was
- 17:50Speaker 2: investigating the prosecutor for Sebastian County, Ron Fields, of dealing
- 17:54Speaker 2: drugs and of ordering the murder of Lorie Murchison, and
- 17:58Speaker 2: that the person Ron Fields allegedly ordered to murder Laurie
- 18:03Speaker 2: was one of the investigators on the case, the police
- 18:05Speaker 2: Captain J. C. Rider. I want to back up a
- 18:09Speaker 2: minute and talk about ron Fields, because there is a
- 18:12Speaker 2: massive controversy about ron Fields that is still unresolved. We've
- 18:17Speaker 2: talked about him briefly before when we were talking about
- 18:19Speaker 2: the unsolved murder of Melissa Witt. Ron Fields was close
- 18:23Speaker 2: to Captain J. C. Rider of the Fort Smith Police Department,
- 18:27Speaker 2: and Captain J. C. Rider later made news for becoming
- 18:30Speaker 2: involved in the Melissa Witt cold case.
- 18:33Speaker 1: J C.
- 18:33Speaker 2: Rider and Ron Fields have a lot of history. Ron
- 18:37Speaker 2: Fields served as the Sebastian County prosecutor for eighteen years.
- 18:41Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety, he was a point by then Arkansas
- 18:45Speaker 2: Governor Bill Clinton to become Arkansas Attorney General. During the
- 18:49Speaker 2: time ron Fields was the prosecutor. He was very publicly
- 18:52Speaker 2: anti drug He helped write laws that required longer prison
- 18:56Speaker 2: sentences for drug abusers. He led the twelfth Judicial Drug
- 19:00Speaker 2: Task Force in Western Arkansas. Ron Fields actually started in
- 19:06Speaker 2: Arkansas the practice of requiring prosecutors rather than police to
- 19:11Speaker 2: get search warrants in drug cases. This meant that ron
- 19:14Speaker 2: Fields or one of his deputies actually went on drug
- 19:17Speaker 2: raids with the police. Now, his supporters said that this
- 19:21Speaker 2: made sure the evidence was all gathered by the book,
- 19:24Speaker 2: and to be fair, the conviction rate in Arkansas for
- 19:27Speaker 2: drug offenses did go up under ron Fields. His critics
- 19:31Speaker 2: said the fact that he personally went on those drug
- 19:33Speaker 2: raids was a massive red flag for other reasons which
- 19:37Speaker 2: we'll get to a little later. Ron Fields was also
- 19:41Speaker 2: a close friend of Republican Congressman A. SA SA Hutchinson.
- 19:45Speaker 2: ASA Hutchinson, of course, served as US Attorney and later
- 19:48Speaker 2: went on to become the forty six governor of Arkansas.
- 19:51Speaker 2: He served from twenty fifteen to twenty twenty three. In
- 19:54Speaker 2: two thousand and one, ASA Hutchinson took ron Fields with
- 19:58Speaker 2: him to Washington, d C. Ron Fields became A. SA
- 20:02Speaker 2: Hutchinson's special assistant at the Drug Enforcement Agency and later
- 20:06Speaker 2: worked with Hutchinson in the Department of Homeland Security. According
- 20:10Speaker 2: to The Arkansas Times, this position that ron Fields had
- 20:13Speaker 2: with DA was very powerful. He worked on a coalition
- 20:17Speaker 2: that battled terrorism and drug trafficking, and then in around
- 20:22Speaker 2: two thousand and four two thousand and five, these accusations
- 20:24Speaker 2: surfaced about J. C. Ryder and Ron Fields that according
- 20:28Speaker 2: to media reports, these two men were allegedly involved in
- 20:31Speaker 2: Lourie Murchison's murder. On May second, two thousand and five,
- 20:36Speaker 2: officials at the Department of Homeland Security pulled ron Fields
- 20:39Speaker 2: security clearance and then he was suspended from his position
- 20:43Speaker 2: at the Department of Homeland Security. He appealed that decision
- 20:47Speaker 2: but lost. Suddenly, ron fields days in Washington were numbered
- 20:53Speaker 2: the FBI continued their investigation. Ron Fields went back to
- 20:57Speaker 2: Fort Smith ASA. Hutchinson also left Washington at around that time.
- 21:03Speaker 2: This connection between ron Fields and Lori Murchison was allegedly J. C. Rider.
- 21:09Speaker 1: J C.
- 21:09Speaker 2: Rider was also a powerful figure in Arkansas. He had
- 21:12Speaker 2: been in the department since nineteen seventy five and was
- 21:15Speaker 2: head of the Department's Major Crimes Unit until his retirement
- 21:18Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. So suddenly the FBI have
- 21:21Speaker 2: announced they were investigating claims that ron Fields had allegedly
- 21:25Speaker 2: been involved in drug dealing and that he ordered J. C.
- 21:28Speaker 2: Rider to kill Laurie Murchison and to dump her body.
- 21:32Speaker 2: J C. Rider was subpoena to Washington, d c. To
- 21:35Speaker 2: appear in front of a grand jury convened by the
- 21:38Speaker 2: Public Corruption Section of the Department of Justice. Now, in
- 21:42Speaker 2: the end, no charges were filed against J. C. Rider
- 21:46Speaker 2: or Ron Fields, but it is hard to find any
- 21:49Speaker 2: information out about exactly what went down during this investigation.
- 21:53Speaker 2: We have made a Foyer request to the FBI for
- 21:56Speaker 2: any and all case files involving investigations into ron Fields,
- 22:00Speaker 2: but our request has been denied. Meanwhile, ron Field's lawyer
- 22:05Speaker 2: Eddie Christian said the FBI investigation into ron Fields was
- 22:09Speaker 2: the biggest witch hunt he'd ever seen. Eddie Christian was
- 22:12Speaker 2: also J. C. Rider's attorney. He later told The Arkansas
- 22:16Speaker 2: Times that the investigators were absolutely nuts. Eddie Christian told
- 22:22Speaker 2: the Southwest Times Record in April two thousand and five, quote,
- 22:26Speaker 2: I've known this guy, meaning ron Fields, for a long
- 22:29Speaker 2: damn time. Let me tell you he's one of the
- 22:32Speaker 2: most impoverished lawyers. I know he wears J. C. Penny suits.
- 22:35Speaker 2: He does not live high on the hog. This boy's
- 22:38Speaker 2: never made any money. I mean he's been a public
- 22:41Speaker 2: servant and that's been about it, except for a short
- 22:43Speaker 2: stant in private practice. It's crazy to accuse ron Fields
- 22:47Speaker 2: of selling drugs or doing drugs end quote. Eddie Christian
- 22:52Speaker 2: also claimed that FBI agents had harassed ron Fields and J.
- 22:56Speaker 2: C Ryder's families. Ron Fields had other supporters. Jack Moseley,
- 23:02Speaker 2: the former editor of the Times Record, wrote, I would
- 23:05Speaker 2: sooner believe mother Teresa was an axe murderer than think
- 23:08Speaker 2: Ron Fields could be guilty of using and trafficking in
- 23:11Speaker 2: illegal drugs. I've never known a more straight error fellow
- 23:14Speaker 2: than Fields, and the idea of him ordering a police
- 23:17Speaker 2: officer to kill a missing woman in Fort Smith to
- 23:20Speaker 2: keep her quiet about his alleged drug activities is even
- 23:23Speaker 2: more ridiculous end quote. But it's interesting because in that
- 23:27Speaker 2: same column, Jack Moseley wrote, quote Fields or one of
- 23:31Speaker 2: his deputies personally went on almost every local drug rate
- 23:35Speaker 2: in order to guarantee that evidence was properly gathered, protected
- 23:38Speaker 2: and kept for use in criminal trials en quote. But
- 23:42Speaker 2: The Arkansas Times reported that they had spoken to a lawyer.
- 23:46Speaker 2: They didn't name this person, but they said the source
- 23:49Speaker 2: had been interviewed by the FBI and that the FBI
- 23:52Speaker 2: were asking about money that was forfeited as a result
- 23:55Speaker 2: of drug arrests. Now, this source said the DOJ threatened
- 23:58Speaker 2: to pull the lawyer's license if he didn't give them
- 24:01Speaker 2: the information they wanted about ron Fields. The source said
- 24:04Speaker 2: they didn't have any information on ron Fields. They didn't
- 24:07Speaker 2: know why this investigation was happening at all. But The
- 24:10Speaker 2: Arkansas Times talked to other sources who said that ron
- 24:13Speaker 2: Fields quote ran the police department, and that the fact
- 24:17Speaker 2: that he carried a gun and accompanied police on drug
- 24:20Speaker 2: raids was in fact a massive red flag and a
- 24:23Speaker 2: conflict of interest. The source told the Times that he
- 24:27Speaker 2: had seen statements from witnesses people who claimed that they
- 24:31Speaker 2: had seen ron Fields use drugs. So what does any
- 24:35Speaker 2: of this have to do with Lourie Murchison. Well. One
- 24:39Speaker 2: of the allegations that federal investigators were looking into was
- 24:42Speaker 2: whether ry Murchison may have had knowledge about ron Field's
- 24:46Speaker 2: alleged drug activities and whether j. C Ryder went to
- 24:50Speaker 2: question Laurie Murchison. The allegation was that he and ron
- 24:54Speaker 2: Fields may have gone together to question Laurie. This federal
- 24:59Speaker 2: investigation went on for two years. During that time, a
- 25:03Speaker 2: lot of rock Field's supporters stated it was ridiculous to
- 25:06Speaker 2: believe that Ronfield's impeccable character could ever be questioned and
- 25:10Speaker 2: that his activities could be covered up. But later in
- 25:13Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, very ugly allegations surfaced again about
- 25:18Speaker 2: ron Fields, allegations that he sexually assaulted his mentally disabled daughter,
- 25:23Speaker 2: twenty six year old Bridget Dollar, and that the prosecutor's
- 25:26Speaker 2: office declined to prosecute. On June twenty second, two thousand
- 25:30Speaker 2: and seven, Bridget told the police in Fort Smith that
- 25:33Speaker 2: her stepfather, ron Fields, had raped her. She came to
- 25:38Speaker 2: police after first confessing the alleged sexual assault to a relative.
- 25:42Speaker 2: The officer who interviewed Bridget, Christine Deeson, was quoted in
- 25:45Speaker 2: The Arkansas Times. Bridget said she was sitting on the
- 25:49Speaker 2: couch watching The Prices Ride on TV when ron Fields
- 25:52Speaker 2: came in and quote pulled her off of the couch
- 25:55Speaker 2: by her arm and took her to her mom's bedroom.
- 25:58Speaker 2: He took off her clothes and put her on the bed.
- 26:01Speaker 2: She said she knew what he was doing was wrong.
- 26:04Speaker 2: She also told me it was painful. I asked her
- 26:07Speaker 2: what made him stop. She said she thought his cell
- 26:10Speaker 2: phone rang and he stopped to answer it. When asked
- 26:12Speaker 2: what happened next, Bridget said that he put on his
- 26:15Speaker 2: clothes and left. Bridget said that after that he would
- 26:19Speaker 2: come on Tuesdays and do the same thing. She couldn't
- 26:22Speaker 2: tell me how many times this happened, but said it
- 26:25Speaker 2: was more than two. She said he told her not
- 26:28Speaker 2: to tell or he would get in big trouble. End quote.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Now this became a big story because not only did
- 26:35Speaker 2: it involve a powerful politician and his former stepdaughter, but
- 26:39Speaker 2: her mother, ron Field's ex wife, Claire, was at the
- 26:43Speaker 2: time the prosecuting attorney for the city of Fort Smith.
- 26:47Speaker 2: Bridget lived at home with her mother. She had never
- 26:50Speaker 2: held a job and had an intellectual development disorder. She
- 26:53Speaker 2: is described in court documents as a disabled and incapacitated adult.
- 26:58Speaker 2: She has always had a family member appointed as a
- 27:00Speaker 2: permanent guardian. Despite that, and despite the fact that police
- 27:05Speaker 2: reviewed phone records and voice mails and said they believe
- 27:08Speaker 2: Bridget ron Fields was never interviewed. The Arkansas Times kind
- 27:13Speaker 2: of summed up the case progress in two thousand and
- 27:15Speaker 2: eight by quoting an investigator who said of Ron Fields, quote,
- 27:20Speaker 2: if he had been a janitor, he would have been
- 27:22Speaker 2: arrested the next day end quote. According to the police
- 27:26Speaker 2: record of the rape investigation that was quoted in the
- 27:29Speaker 2: Arkansas Times, Claire boy and Gasser, ron Fields X's wife
- 27:33Speaker 2: told police that ron was drinking heavily when he came
- 27:35Speaker 2: back from Washington, d c. In two thousand and five,
- 27:38Speaker 2: but she told investigators they were on good terms even
- 27:41Speaker 2: after the divorce. She said the accusations had shocked her,
- 27:45Speaker 2: but that she believed her daughter Bridget. She was willing
- 27:48Speaker 2: to put herself and her daughter through whatever police and
- 27:51Speaker 2: prosecution and cross examination they would need to go through
- 27:55Speaker 2: to get justice. The investigators also believed that Bridget was
- 27:59Speaker 2: telling the truth. So why wasn't Ron Fields prosecuted or
- 28:04Speaker 2: even questioned? According to Arkansas law, it's a crime to
- 28:08Speaker 2: have sexual intercourse with a person who is incapable of
- 28:12Speaker 2: consent because she is mentally defective. That would mean a
- 28:15Speaker 2: person who is incapable of understanding the nature and consequences
- 28:19Speaker 2: of sexual acts. But in the memo quoted in the Times,
- 28:23Speaker 2: the prosecutors wrote, Bridget understood what sex was. She knew
- 28:27Speaker 2: that she did not want to go upstairs with Ron.
- 28:30Speaker 2: But the memo stated this meant that mentally defective does
- 28:34Speaker 2: not apply because she kind of understood what was happening.
- 28:37Speaker 2: So apparently, because Bridget understood the concept of sex, the
- 28:42Speaker 2: prosecutors believe she was not mentally defective, at least according
- 28:45Speaker 2: to the law at the time. So the next question
- 28:48Speaker 2: was if she understood what was happening, did she consent?
- 28:52Speaker 2: The memo reads quote this question is very difficult to
- 28:55Speaker 2: answer at this time. Victim is stated that the defendant
- 28:58Speaker 2: would come to her home, grab her arm, pull her
- 29:00Speaker 2: off the couch, and take her upstairs to perform sexual intercourse.
- 29:04Speaker 2: How much force was exerted end quote. So in this
- 29:09Speaker 2: memo they talk about a nineteen ninety five case and
- 29:12Speaker 2: that it involved a fourteen year old in her stepfather.
- 29:15Speaker 2: And apparently the Arkansas Supreme Court found that when an
- 29:19Speaker 2: assailant has an in loco parenthous relationship to a victim,
- 29:23Speaker 2: that the law regarding force is a little bit different.
- 29:26Speaker 2: When someone is acting as a parent, the victim does
- 29:30Speaker 2: not have to display what they call utmost physical resistance. Now,
- 29:35Speaker 2: this would definitely seem to apply to Ronfield's and bridget
- 29:39Speaker 2: dollar And yet six months after this alleged assault was reported,
- 29:43Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office notified the police charges would not be filed.
- 29:48Speaker 2: And this blows my mind. In the explanation letter, the
- 29:51Speaker 2: prosecutor wrote, Bridget's mental deficiencies do not rise to the
- 29:55Speaker 2: level of charging rape under the law. While in the
- 29:58Speaker 2: prosecutor's opinion, Bridget was not lying, the office believed she
- 30:03Speaker 2: would have perhaps insurmountable problems if she was cross examined
- 30:07Speaker 2: if the case went to trial, and one of the
- 30:10Speaker 2: main issues they kept debating was the question of force.
- 30:13Speaker 2: Prosecutor's office stated the only force that Bridget talked about
- 30:17Speaker 2: was when ron Fields grabbed her arm when she was
- 30:19Speaker 2: on the couch and took her upstairs. Bridget did say
- 30:22Speaker 2: she said no and slapped at him. However, the prosecutor's
- 30:25Speaker 2: office believed she did have an opportunity to leave while
- 30:30Speaker 2: ron Fields was undressing. Bridget's family were outraged. They believed
- 30:35Speaker 2: the prosecutors were saying basically that Bridget wasn't mentally capable
- 30:40Speaker 2: of testifying, but she was mentally capable of consenting sex.
- 30:45Speaker 2: Claire's sister, Sarah Estraut, wrote to the prosecutor about Ron Fields.
- 30:50Speaker 2: She wrote, quote, Ron Fields is a cunning lawyer who
- 30:53Speaker 2: was accustomed to kicking indoors during drug raids. A terrified,
- 30:56Speaker 2: mentally impaired young woman is no match for him. End quote.
- 31:01Speaker 2: So no action was taken against ron Fields in the
- 31:04Speaker 2: sexual assault case, and the FBI never conclusively linked him
- 31:08Speaker 2: to Laurie Murchison's disappearance. The FBI investigation was ended with
- 31:13Speaker 2: no progress on Laurie's case. Over the years, Nancy Murchison
- 31:21Speaker 2: told The Times Record she would get anonymous calls from
- 31:23Speaker 2: people claiming they knew what happened to Laurie. They would
- 31:27Speaker 2: tell her that Laurie had been burned in a stove
- 31:29Speaker 2: or put through a wood shipper, or that she had
- 31:32Speaker 2: been fed to pigs. In two thousand, a new detective
- 31:36Speaker 2: named Ron Lockhart was put on Laurie's case, and he
- 31:40Speaker 2: started digging for answers. According to news reports, the new
- 31:51Speaker 2: detective assigned to Laurie's case, Ron Lockhart, and his team,
- 31:54Speaker 2: conducted interviews and they went under cover wearing wires. Ron
- 31:59Speaker 2: Lockhart did not believe that the investigation into Ron Fields
- 32:03Speaker 2: and J. C. Rider were justified. He said he found
- 32:06Speaker 2: no evidence that either of them were involved in Laurie
- 32:09Speaker 2: Murchison's disappearance. He called this investigation a waste of taxpayers
- 32:13Speaker 2: money and a waste of time. He said he believed
- 32:18Speaker 2: that the allegations against ron Fields had come from someone
- 32:21Speaker 2: with a grudge. Others have suggested it could be someone
- 32:24Speaker 2: Ron prosecuted in the past. Obviously, in a job like
- 32:28Speaker 2: ron Fields, it goes without saying that you can make
- 32:30Speaker 2: a lot of enemies. But that person or person's were
- 32:33Speaker 2: never named. The FBI never filed any charges against Ron
- 32:38Speaker 2: Fields or J. C. Ryder. The jury in Washington, d C.
- 32:42Speaker 2: Heard testimony that it led to nothing. Over the years,
- 32:47Speaker 2: Ron Lockhart developed a theory, one that seemed very similar
- 32:50Speaker 2: to what Billy had initially told detectives, that Laurie had
- 32:54Speaker 2: accidentally overdosed and then the person or people she was
- 32:57Speaker 2: with got rid of her body. Every once in a while,
- 33:01Speaker 2: Lourie's name pops up in headlines again. Back in two
- 33:04Speaker 2: thousand and five, n WA News reported that someone had
- 33:08Speaker 2: tipped off the Fort Smith police that Laurie's body was
- 33:11Speaker 2: buried in salvageyard, so they went out and dug there.
- 33:15Speaker 2: That salvage yard was reportedly less than a mile from
- 33:18Speaker 2: the motel where Laurie was last seen. Searchers were sent
- 33:22Speaker 2: in to dig. In the end, they found no trace
- 33:25Speaker 2: of Lourie. The Times Record did a follow up story
- 33:28Speaker 2: on Laurie Murchison in twenty fourteen, coming up on the
- 33:31Speaker 2: twenty year anniversary of her disappearance. They interviewed Ron Lockhart
- 33:36Speaker 2: and he gave more details about his theory. Ron Lockhart
- 33:40Speaker 2: said he had a suspect in mind, and it was J.
- 33:44Speaker 2: C Ryder or Ron Fields or anyone connected to them.
- 33:47Speaker 2: He told The Times Record it was someone who was
- 33:50Speaker 2: in prison in Oklahoma. He said that he felt that
- 33:53Speaker 2: he did have enough to charge this person with abuse
- 33:55Speaker 2: of a corpse. He said he took the information he
- 33:58Speaker 2: had to the Sebastian County prosecuting Attorney, but unfortunately he
- 34:02Speaker 2: found out that it was too late. Ron Lockhart told
- 34:06Speaker 2: the Times Record quote, back then there was enough evidence
- 34:09Speaker 2: to file disposing of a corpse, but the statute of
- 34:12Speaker 2: limitations had run over. But we did have a strong
- 34:15Speaker 2: suspect that we felt like knew what happened with her.
- 34:19Speaker 2: End quote. He said the detectives did interview their suspect
- 34:23Speaker 2: in prison, that they asked the person where Laurie's body was,
- 34:27Speaker 2: but in the end they weren't able to find her.
- 34:30Speaker 2: At the time, Ron Lockhart said he believed someone might
- 34:34Speaker 2: have dumped Loriie into the Arkansas River. He said, quote,
- 34:38Speaker 2: it was a sad deal. We did everything we could do,
- 34:41Speaker 2: and I feel confident I know what happened to her.
- 34:45Speaker 2: Ron Lockhart said five different sources told him that a
- 34:49Speaker 2: man whom you would not name, said Laurie died of
- 34:51Speaker 2: a drug overdose and that this man worried about being
- 34:55Speaker 2: charged with her death and disposal of her body. So
- 34:58Speaker 2: my question is, are these the same people who were
- 35:02Speaker 2: questioned in the early weeks of the investigation or someone else?
- 35:06Speaker 2: And if this is where police have landed, if this
- 35:09Speaker 2: is all they're going to do, then why won't they
- 35:11Speaker 2: release the rest of the case file. Nancy Murchison said
- 35:15Speaker 2: back then she still believes that Laurie was murdered. She
- 35:19Speaker 2: can't forget what Laurie said in the weeks before she disappeared,
- 35:23Speaker 2: especially that one time when Laurie came home and said
- 35:25Speaker 2: that someone was planning to offer her. But could that
- 35:29Speaker 2: have been Laurie's paranoia due to drug use or could
- 35:33Speaker 2: it have been something more? After all, there was a
- 35:36Speaker 2: lot that Nancy Murchison admitted she didn't know about what
- 35:39Speaker 2: was going on with Lourie. She told the newspaper she
- 35:42Speaker 2: didn't even know that Laurie was on drugs. In twenty twelve,
- 35:46Speaker 2: she met with a volunteer group called the Cold Case Survivors,
- 35:49Speaker 2: people whose relatives had been murdered or missing. They had
- 35:53Speaker 2: regular meetings in Muldrow, Oklahoma. But I don't think that
- 35:57Speaker 2: group still exists because a link to the organization's web
- 36:00Speaker 2: page appears to be inactive. The latest update about Laurie's
- 36:08Speaker 2: case from the Fort Smith Police Department came from a
- 36:11Speaker 2: news report in twenty fourteen. It said a new detective
- 36:14Speaker 2: had been assigned to Laurie's case, Detective David Williams. This
- 36:19Speaker 2: person had been working in the Criminal Investigation division for
- 36:21Speaker 2: a year and at that time in twenty fourteen, he
- 36:25Speaker 2: told the newspaper there had been nothing new added to
- 36:28Speaker 2: Laurie's case file in years. He said, quote that things
- 36:32Speaker 2: hundreds of pages. I haven't even been able to make
- 36:35Speaker 2: it through all that end quote. Laurie's mother, Nancy took
- 36:40Speaker 2: custody of her daughter Brittany, who would now be in
- 36:43Speaker 2: her thirdies. Nancy Murchison talked to the media several times
- 36:47Speaker 2: over the years. She made public police for whoever killed
- 36:50Speaker 2: Laurie or who was involved in any way to come forward.
- 36:54Speaker 2: She said, even if it was an accident, she would
- 36:56Speaker 2: want to know so that the family could have some
- 36:58Speaker 2: kind of closure and they could put Laurie in the
- 37:01Speaker 2: family plot. But in twenty seventeen, Nancy passed away, never
- 37:06Speaker 2: knowing what happened to her daughter Laurie and never being
- 37:10Speaker 2: able to bring her body home. Anyone with information on
- 37:14Speaker 2: the disappearance of Laurie Murchison can call the Fort Smith
- 37:17Speaker 2: Police Departments Criminal Investigation Division at four seven nine seven
- 37:21Speaker 2: oh nine five one one six, or email Missing Persons
- 37:25Speaker 2: at Fort SMITHPD dot org. I'm Katherine Townsend. This is
- 37:33Speaker 2: Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a
- 37:36Speaker 2: production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written
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