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The Epstein Criminal Enterprise And The Nadia Marcinkova Conundrum (Part 2) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the BBC article about Nadia Marsenkova.
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  Speaker 1: The authors of this article are Tim we Will and
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Pohl. In two thousand and six, she wrote, what
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  Speaker 1: do you imagine is a fun sex thing? I'll do
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  Speaker 1: what I can, even though if this is simply about
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  Speaker 1: you having sex with someone else, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to make our relationship better. I'll try to find girls
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  Speaker 1: whenever we're in New York. Some messages suggests Nadia new
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  Speaker 1: Epstein preferred as women young, but we found no evidence
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  Speaker 1: in the files that she ever introduced them to girls
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  Speaker 1: that were underage. Nevertheless, even recruiting adults through deception for
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  Speaker 1: exploitative purposes can be defined as trafficking. Well, that's true. Look,
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  Speaker 1: the most heinous crime one can commit is against children.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. But just because you're of age, does
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  Speaker 1: it mean you can't be trafficked? Now? Does it mean
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  Speaker 1: you don't have responsibility for what you do while you're
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  Speaker 1: being trafficked? I don't believe that, but it certainly would
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  Speaker 1: mitigate some of the penalty if you got arrested and
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  Speaker 1: you were involved in something like this, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: start out as a victim, and then the genesis is
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  Speaker 1: you become an abuser yourself. I think that a jury
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  Speaker 1: and the court would be sympathetic to that. Now, does
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  Speaker 1: that mean you're gonna walk? No, it does not. But
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  Speaker 1: I truly believe that Nadia has one chance here. If
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  Speaker 1: she comes forward now and gets ahead of all of
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  Speaker 1: this and tells everybody what she knows, I think people
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  Speaker 1: are going to be very receptive to that. The problem is,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Naughty is going to do it. And
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  Speaker 1: in the last episode we were talking about how Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein wanted her to cook eggs. Here's the whole email.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to learn how to cook eggs, scrambled, poached,
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  Speaker 1: over easy, shrimp, broiled, baked, boiled, and sauces for it,
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  Speaker 1: fresh fruit drinks. I want you to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: set a table and present food. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to run a house. I want no arguments
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  Speaker 1: during the Monday to Friday week. Issues must wait for
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  Speaker 1: the weekend. No more bitching about redacted. I've had enough
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  Speaker 1: for a lifetime. I want you to read one of
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  Speaker 1: the one hundred great books every month there is a
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  Speaker 1: readily available list. I want you to exercise four times
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  Speaker 1: per week, every week. I want you to type at
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  Speaker 1: sixty words a minute. I want beautiful things only in
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  Speaker 1: my house. You can't put anything in without letting me
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  Speaker 1: see it first. Well, if that's the rule, this ugly
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  Speaker 1: motherfucker should have left the house asat. Has there ever
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  Speaker 1: been anybody as goofy looking as Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass.
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  Speaker 1: That same year, two thousand and six, Epstein emailed a
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  Speaker 1: request to Brunel to put Marsankova on the payroll of
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  Speaker 1: Brunell's new modeling agency MC squared and payder fifty thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year. It's not clear what the salary was for,
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  Speaker 1: as Marsenkova was no longer working as a model, but
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  Speaker 1: whatever she was expected to do, she was clearly uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: about her dependency on Epstein. Putting her on the payroll
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  Speaker 1: was for the immigration fraud. She has to have a job, right,
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  Speaker 1: she has to have some kind of form of income.
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  Speaker 1: So Jeffrey Epstein reaches out to the guy who facilitated
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  Speaker 1: not he's abuse in the first place. Jean Luc Brunel,
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  Speaker 1: and he ends up giving her the job at MST
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  Speaker 1: Squared and that fortifies her immigration position with is. In
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  Speaker 1: one email to him that year, she wrote, since I
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  Speaker 1: met you, my life revolves around you. There's nothing else
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  Speaker 1: I have and it makes me feel very uneasy. But
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, at the same time she
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  Speaker 1: was visiting Epstein in jail, she appears to have begun
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  Speaker 1: to lessen her financial dependency on them by taking to
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  Speaker 1: the air. Epstein paid tens of thousands of dollars for
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  Speaker 1: her to train as a pilot. Emails between them show
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  Speaker 1: which she apparently did with great enthusiasm, promoting herself on
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  Speaker 1: social media Global Girl. That was money making for her
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  Speaker 1: because she was invited to fly a lot of aeroplanes
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  Speaker 1: and do a lot of videos, says aviation journalist Christine Nagrani,
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  Speaker 1: who says she met Marsonkova in twenty thirteen. Nadia was delightful.
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  Speaker 1: She was charming company, and she worked very hard, attending
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  Speaker 1: flight schools to get her certificates one after another. These
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  Speaker 1: are not easy accomplishments. And look, it's not easy to
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  Speaker 1: become a pilot, no doubt about it. And I truly
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  Speaker 1: wish Nadia would just come forward, tell her a story,
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  Speaker 1: get it on wax, and get her life moving in
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  Speaker 1: a different direction. Maybe come out as some kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, advocate something, because the longer she stays quiet,
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  Speaker 1: the longer she you know, sticks to the shadows, the
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  Speaker 1: harder it's going to be to convince people that she
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  Speaker 1: was somebody that was coerced and abused herself despite her
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  Speaker 1: new apparent independence. Marsenkova's relationship with Epstein continued after his
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  Speaker 1: release from prison in July two thousand and nine. Email
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  Speaker 1: show it seems to have even intensified by October that year.
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  Speaker 1: They were trying to have a baby together, the email suggest,
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  Speaker 1: and she maintained her role as a scout, the files reveal.
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  Speaker 1: In one email that year, she asks his opinion of
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  Speaker 1: a specific woman she says has offered to come over
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  Speaker 1: from Eastern Europe. But in twenty ten they finally split
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  Speaker 1: up after he had been particularly violent towards her. She
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  Speaker 1: told the investigators, and this is the kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: that Nadia should say. She should come out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get on one of these twenty twenties or whatever and
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  Speaker 1: tell her story. Or hell, Nadia, you are more than
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  Speaker 1: welcome to come on this show at any time and
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  Speaker 1: explain yourself. And a lot of people want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about oh, Glenn Maxwell, this, Glenn Maxwell. That. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: think that Nadia, Sarah Kellen and the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: Corps four also have a lot of very very important
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  Speaker 1: information that we need. The following year, according to the
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  Speaker 1: account she gave him, she got a new work visa
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  Speaker 1: based on her own aviation job. So once she got
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  Speaker 1: out from under his grip and got the new visa,
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  Speaker 1: that would have been the perfect time to go to
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  Speaker 1: the authorities. But remember we're talking about twenty thirteen. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: was alive well and still hanging out with some of
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful people on this whole ass planet, So
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  Speaker 1: we have to take that into account as well. Was
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  Speaker 1: Nadia scared? And I think that only Nadia can answer
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  Speaker 1: those questions. She and Epstein clearly remain friends, though she
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  Speaker 1: co piloted his private jet on some flights to his
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  Speaker 1: island from twenty twelve. In twenty thirteen, he arranged for
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  Speaker 1: her to get a job as a flying instructor for
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  Speaker 1: the company of entrepreneur Dean Kamen, inventor of segue messages
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  Speaker 1: between Marsenko. Marsenkova and Epstein in twenty fifteen confirm what
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  Speaker 1: she told investigators that he agreed that you're to double
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  Speaker 1: whatever income she earned from other sources. We asked Cayman's
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  Speaker 1: company Decca for a im about his association with marsan Kova,
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  Speaker 1: but it did not reply. A spokesman for Kayman has
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  Speaker 1: previously said that the inventor deeply regrets having any interaction
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein and had no involvement in or knowledge of
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  Speaker 1: his crimes. But though Marsankova appears to have been loyal
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein for years, in twenty eighteen, she finally switched sides,
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  Speaker 1: and that is what I'm talking about. She came forward,
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  Speaker 1: she stepped up, and I think that's a feather in
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  Speaker 1: her cab. I think it's important to note that she cooperated,
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  Speaker 1: and anybody who knows anything about a RICO case knows
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  Speaker 1: you have to have people like Marsankova cooperating if you
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  Speaker 1: want to take the operation down. The following year, Epstein
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  Speaker 1: was geled again while he awaited sex trafficking charges in return.
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  Speaker 1: Four years later, the FBI supported marsan Kova's application to
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  Speaker 1: stay in the US after her visa ran out in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. The agency said that she had been recruited, harbored,
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  Speaker 1: and obtained by Epstein and others for purposes of coercive
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  Speaker 1: sexual relationship. Like I said, Nadia Marsenkova is not like
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  Speaker 1: the other Core four, and I think her story has
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  Speaker 1: to be looked at through that other lens. Since then,
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  Speaker 1: Marsankova has disappeared from public view. Social media posts suggests
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  Speaker 1: that she'd been, at least up until last year, an
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  Speaker 1: active member of the Zen Buddhist Center in New York. Previously,
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  Speaker 1: her lawyer has said that she wants to eventually speak
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  Speaker 1: out about her victimization and help other survivors, but is
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  Speaker 1: currently working on her healing. Look, I'm going to reach
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  Speaker 1: out to Nadia and throw a hell Mary. Maybe she
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  Speaker 1: wants to talk, and maybe she wants to explain herself
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  Speaker 1: and explain what went down. But the immunity given to
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  Speaker 1: Marsenko and the other three women in the two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight plea deal is now being questioned. US Congresswoman
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  Speaker 1: Anna Paulina Luna, Oh, our favorite person. Isn't she just
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  Speaker 1: so fantastic? I mean, when she's not making a fool
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  Speaker 1: of herself talking about Epstein. She's making a fool of
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  Speaker 1: herself talking about interdimensional beings and whatever other nonsense that
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  Speaker 1: this lady's cooking up. US Congresswoman Anna Pauline A Luna,
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  Speaker 1: a Republican member of the House Oversight Committee, said in February,
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  Speaker 1: apparently after seeing unredacted Epstein documents, all of these women
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  Speaker 1: engaged in the trafficking of minors as adults. They were
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  Speaker 1: working and complicit with Jeffrey Epstein's operation. She didn't mention
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  Speaker 1: anyone by name, and all of her little buddies on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: which is an absolute dump these days, ran with it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: these girls are all traffickers, They're all part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Completely absurd, but that was the goal. Confusion and so chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Anything to help Donnie Diddles. Though Kelen and Groff are
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  Speaker 1: about to give testimony, it appears that the committee has
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  Speaker 1: yet to decide whether to call Ross or marson Kova.
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  Speaker 1: The judgment as to how far a victim can also
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  Speaker 1: be termed an accomplice is nuanced, says Bridget Carr, professor
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  Speaker 1: of clinical law at Michigan University, who has worked extensively
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  Speaker 1: with victims of human trafficking. She tries to discern whether
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  Speaker 1: the victim has continued to commit crimes after escaping the
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  Speaker 1: control of a perpetrator, bearing in mind the control may
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  Speaker 1: continue even if the perpetrator is not physically present in
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  Speaker 1: the victim's life. The line that I draw is whether
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  Speaker 1: the victim has ever been away from the power and
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  Speaker 1: control of the perpetrator. The question is whether it's reasonable
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  Speaker 1: that the victim would believe that the perpetrator still has
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  Speaker 1: power over them. And I think that is a fairer assessment. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about some really deep issues here, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that those are issues that trained professionals should be
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  Speaker 1: breaking down, not me. Fuck, I'm barely functioning. I'm half
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  Speaker 1: a moron over here. I certainly don't know anything about
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  Speaker 1: the human mind or the human condition. What I do
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  Speaker 1: know is this, though this is not black and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of nuance, what choices Nadia Marcinko had, if any,
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  Speaker 1: in the course of her long association with Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible for an outsider to know. Documents in the
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  Speaker 1: files provide only glimpses of her life, but one email
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  Speaker 1: from twenty twelve is perhaps more revealing than most. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be with you, but it upsets me
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  Speaker 1: to see you use the same exact patterns to seduce, manipulate,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately control and hurt other girls. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: like them, and I actually feel guilty about knowing how
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  Speaker 1: they'll end up. She wrote, I know what you're capable of,
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  Speaker 1: and I will always be protective of you out of
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  Speaker 1: pure loyalty and stubbornness, But my conscience is far from clear. Look,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that Nadia Marsenkova lays in bed at
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  Speaker 1: night and thinks about what happened. At least I would
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  Speaker 1: hope so. Right, If you have a conscience, you have
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  Speaker 1: a moral compass, you would think that she feels a
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  Speaker 1: lot of shame, and she feels a lot of disgust
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  Speaker 1: about what went down. And I think it would serve
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  Speaker 1: her well and everybody else involved if she would come
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  Speaker 1: forward and speak, whether that's with Congress, whether that's with
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  Speaker 1: the media, whoever, Because if anybody has an Epstein story
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  Speaker 1: to tell, it's certainly not Io marsen Kova. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All the information
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  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
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  Speaker 1: description box,