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247: Razor Blade Sold Separately · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danielle Harris from some of the Halloween movies.
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  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 3: What are you darling?
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  Speaker 2: Where's your costume? This is my costume.
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  Speaker 6: I'm a homeless little maniac.
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  Speaker 7: They look just like everyone else.
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  Speaker 8: Boys and girls of every age Wouldn't you like to
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  Speaker 8: see something strange? Come, you'll listen, you will see This
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  Speaker 8: our town of Halloween This is Halloween, this is Halloween
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  Speaker 8: The world can scream, the dead.
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  Speaker 9: Are right This is Halloween, everybody may see Don't cheat on.
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  Speaker 3: The game, it's gonna die right This our town of
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  Speaker 3: Halloween This town of.
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  Speaker 2: Halloween What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 10: I am Brian, and I'm welcoming you back into the
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  Speaker 10: middle of the big Halloween party we've got going on here.
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  Speaker 10: We're all pretty much big horror fans, and in particular,
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  Speaker 10: just fans of Halloween, so this year I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 10: we've always had so much fun with the Halloween episodes,
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  Speaker 10: I was like, let's just devote the entire month of
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  Speaker 10: October and see how many cool Halloween-themed episodes we can
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  Speaker 10: put together. So that's pretty much what we're doing. We've
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  Speaker 10: got a good portion of the Meltdown gang together, and
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  Speaker 10: we're hanging out, and we're talking Halloween costumes, and what
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  Speaker 10: created Halloween exactly, like where it comes from. And that's,
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  Speaker 10: you know, if you haven't heard last week's episode, go back,
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  Speaker 10: listen to the one before this one, because we already
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  Speaker 10: are like knee deep into that. We've gotten a good
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  Speaker 10: amount of that kind of stuff rolling and we're going
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  Speaker 10: to continue on. And as far as the crew on hand,
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  Speaker 10: as we get back into this, if you remember, we
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  Speaker 10: have Ben from Tower of Technobabble. Bo is there. Greg
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  Speaker 10: is there. Marlena is there. Sterling from the Alley Theater
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  Speaker 10: is there. And, of course, at this point, the now
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  Speaker 10: infamous Daves. That would be, as we've now come to
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  Speaker 10: refer to them regularly, Sporty Dave and Posh Dave. You'll
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  Speaker 10: remember it.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully.
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  Speaker 10: If not, go back and listen to the last episode
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  Speaker 10: because it's pretty damn funny. So we will get back
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  Speaker 10: into the action here with another spooky episode of Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 7: But, yeah, back, though, to this whole, like, horror compartmentalization thing.
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  Speaker 7: It seems to me that that's definitely preceded a pace,
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  Speaker 7: and that's why we can have, like, the distinct horror
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  Speaker 7: convention or the science fiction convention. And we talk a
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  Speaker 7: lot about how brilliant it is when it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: they mixed horror and science fiction.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, well, you know, we... That's where it started.
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  Speaker 11: Then it got separated, so when you bring.
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  Speaker 3: It back, it's like, oh, that's cool.
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  Speaker 7: It used to be that any time you were telling
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  Speaker 7: a story about a guy putting himself in a tin can,
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  Speaker 7: flying into the void, yeah, that was a horror story
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  Speaker 7: as far as the people in the 50s were concerned.
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  Speaker 11: It was to those Russian dogs.
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  Speaker 1: It's very much an American thing, too, because just a
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  Speaker 1: couple times I've gone to China, just talking about movies
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  Speaker 1: with movie geeks over there, You start talking horror films
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  Speaker 1: and nobody over there watches horror films.
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  Speaker 12: Nobody makes horror films. Any kind of Asian horror film,
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  Speaker 12: it's Japanese. And if you find anything that's coming out
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  Speaker 12: of China, it's Hong Kong. Like Mandolin China, there's nothing.
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  Speaker 12: And when you try to explain to them about those
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  Speaker 12: horror films and the joy of it, their logic is,
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  Speaker 12: why would you want to be scared? I mean, they
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  Speaker 12: look at it almost like, what's wrong with your culture
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  Speaker 12: to where you enjoy being scared? Have you not experienced anything?
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  Speaker 3: The great leap forward. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 9: That's crazy being so close to Korea, too, because Korean
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  Speaker 9: horror is so good.
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  Speaker 12: Well, that's South Korea, though. It's not North.
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  Speaker 7: North Korea is a rather effective buffer.
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  Speaker 12: North Korea is frightening in itself.
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  Speaker 7: North Korea, the Disneyland of crazy people.
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  Speaker 12: Even if you go to the big cinemas, you'll have
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  Speaker 12: a lot of import American films, like the Transformers and
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  Speaker 12: stuff like that. You don't see insidious paranormal activity or
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  Speaker 12: any of that horror stuff. It's just the culture, no
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  Speaker 12: one buys it up. And even if you talk to
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  Speaker 12: the younger generation that's very Americanized, very Westernized, it's like
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  Speaker 12: you try to talk to them about horror films, they
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  Speaker 12: just look at you like you're fucking stupid. They really do.
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  Speaker 12: They do not get it. It's very much a Western thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it is something that caught on.
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  Speaker 10: And this, I kind of wanted to go back to
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  Speaker 10: our costume thing because I was looking back at how
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  Speaker 10: all of mine.
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  Speaker 2: Tied to movies kind of in a way.
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  Speaker 10: And then you start to realize it's because we took
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  Speaker 10: all of the classic monsters, the old world monsters, and
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  Speaker 10: made a movie monster. So when I'm thinking back, it's
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  Speaker 10: like I actually kind of hit almost all of them.
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  Speaker 10: One year I was a vampire and I had the cape.
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  Speaker 10: I was basically a Bella version of the vampire. One
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  Speaker 10: year I was a creature from the Black Lagoon.
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  Speaker 2: I was a wolf man.
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  Speaker 10: So it's like I hit all of the basic monster
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  Speaker 10: movie kind of, you know, I don't know. To me
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  Speaker 10: it's like we took all of those and because of
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  Speaker 10: that they're all tied together. to the movies, and that's
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  Speaker 10: the way I process them now. It's like, oh, like
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  Speaker 10: the Universal Classics. That's the way America looks at monsters.
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  Speaker 6: I have a question.
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  Speaker 11: I'm sure everyone here can tell me this. The classic monsters,
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  Speaker 11: the Universal monsters, you know, Wolfman, Frankenstein, Mummy, and all that,
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  Speaker 11: that was from, what, the late 30s through the 40s?
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  Speaker 3: Early 30s.
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  Speaker 6: Most of the 30s.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, we kind of categorize those as classic monsters. Were
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  Speaker 11: there any monsters from that time period that were kind
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  Speaker 11: of flops that we don't hear about anymore, that didn't
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  Speaker 11: quite make it into classic status?
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  Speaker 7: Well, you could argue that there's actually kind of an
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  Speaker 7: unspoken phenomena there. For instance, I would think that King
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  Speaker 7: Kong actually does belong in that same genre of monster films.
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  Speaker 7: But for whatever reason, we don't put King Kong in
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  Speaker 7: there with The Mummy.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just because he's huge.
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  Speaker 7: But it's also because we view him as the beginning
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  Speaker 7: of a different genre. It's the apocalyptic giant monster attacking
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  Speaker 7: the city genre.
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  Speaker 6: And that was sort of a standalone film for decades.
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  Speaker 6: Because the only people who could make Kong were those people.
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  Speaker 3: I guess what I'm getting at is that's it.
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  Speaker 12: And I don't even say– I don't even know if
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  Speaker 12: I would consider like Lump Kong and all the other
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  Speaker 12: giant things of the 50s because all of those were
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  Speaker 12: born out of like a fear of nuclear technology.
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  Speaker 7: True enough, but my point more so is just that
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  Speaker 7: it seems to me that they're– we look back at
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  Speaker 7: the 30s and we kind of segregate out those monsters
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  Speaker 7: and call them the classic– There's a reason why.
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  Speaker 3: It's because they were all produced by Universal.
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  Speaker 11: But it seems like every monster movie that was made
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  Speaker 11: back then is considered a classic. Were there any flops?
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  Speaker 11: Was there a monster like the Savage Dog Man?
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  Speaker 6: Mostly in the 40s, Universal got around to doing more B-pictures.
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  Speaker 6: Like Captive Wild Woman and the Ape Woman and things
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  Speaker 6: like that.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 6: They were very much like B-picture. Okay. they would have
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  Speaker 6: other other monsters would pop up but they were not
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  Speaker 6: really distinctive I.
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  Speaker 10: Mean there's a lot of them that they still categorize
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  Speaker 10: what is there 40 or more that fall into that
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  Speaker 10: universal class oh yeah.
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  Speaker 12: They'll throw in like the hideous sun demon the thing
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  Speaker 12: from another world and like all these other ones that
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  Speaker 12: are sort of from there but it's just they're sort
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  Speaker 12: of standalone but they didn't really have.
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  Speaker 11: But you know the classic monsters they're kind of homegrown
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  Speaker 11: I mean there aren't really aliens I mean this was
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  Speaker 11: probably pre-alien craze.
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  Speaker 6: Well they were all they're all born out of almost
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  Speaker 6: all of them out of literature Frankenstein, you've got Dracula,
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  Speaker 6: you've got.
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  Speaker 2: I think the only one that was sort of original
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  Speaker 2: is the creature. I mean, the creature, we sort of...
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  Speaker 2: That's in the 50s. Yeah, but that was the tail end.
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  Speaker 11: It was really one of the.
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  Speaker 6: Only iconic universal monsters from the 50s.
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  Speaker 2: They kind of created themselves.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it's interesting because each one of them also kind
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  Speaker 7: of corresponds to a different domain. We have the wolf
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  Speaker 7: man who is man plus animal... We have the vampire
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  Speaker 7: who's like man plus, you know, maybe sociopathic sexual urge.
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  Speaker 7: We have the creature from the Black Lagoon, man plus
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  Speaker 7: reptile or man plus, you know, primordial creature. We have
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  Speaker 7: the mummy, which is man plus death. you know, Frankenstein
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  Speaker 7: is man plus machine.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Man plus man. Yeah, so each one.
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  Speaker 6: The closer you keep something to human, the more frightening
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  Speaker 6: and effective it is, which is why zombie movies are
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  Speaker 6: as popular as they are.
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  Speaker 11: Aren't vampires technically zombies? And somehow zombies got.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus, that's an enormous conversation.
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  Speaker 6: Depends on how you want to split that.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's more the mummy. I mean, how is
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  Speaker 2: he not?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, if you watch the original Dracula and then watch
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  Speaker 6: the original mummy, it's the same movie.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, just because he's... Same story. Yeah, just because the
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  Speaker 7: mummy's Middle Eastern. Why can't he be a zombie like
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  Speaker 7: the rest? No, but it seems to me, though, that
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  Speaker 7: those old films relied on a combination of factors. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: but all of them, it seems, had the uncanniness of, like,
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  Speaker 7: this is a man, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's not a man.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: This sort of heightened sense.
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  Speaker 7: Like we'd call it camp now, perhaps, but there's this
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  Speaker 7: heightened dramatism to the whole thing. Like, you know, you
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  Speaker 7: watch the Wolfman's transformation or listen to the way Bela
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  Speaker 7: Lugosi talks, you know, like Roger Ebert always says, like
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  Speaker 7: he was mocking like the way normal people talk like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: good evening. That's what you people say to each other.
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  Speaker 7: How amusing. There's this sort of uncanniness to them, but
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  Speaker 7: also this heightened dramaticness to everything they do. And that
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  Speaker 7: seems to me to be, I would say, one of
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  Speaker 7: the reasons why all these guys tend to get lumped together.
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  Speaker 7: There's a similar style to the way they are all
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  Speaker 7: presented and the way they present themselves.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and they were all basically made by European filmmakers.
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  Speaker 11: Were there competing.
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  Speaker 11: Movie companies that were competing with Universal trying to get
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  Speaker 11: in on the whole monster thing.
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  Speaker 6: Not for a while. In the 40s, you finally had
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  Speaker 6: Fox coming in with some films. They were doing some
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  Speaker 6: stuff in the 30s.
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  Speaker 3: Cat People was Fox.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to get into Turner and films like that.
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  Speaker 6: One of my favorite 30s horror films is actually, I
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  Speaker 6: think it's in MGM, and it's Dr. X.
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  Speaker 12: Was MGM.
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  Speaker 7: Did they also do The Woman in the Window and
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  Speaker 7: those early noir picks?
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  Speaker 6: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And Dr. X was actually in Technicolor, two-strip Technicolor, in
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  Speaker 6: like 1932. It was a weird greenish-orange palette. But it's
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  Speaker 6: a really cool, scary movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's part of the whole.
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  Speaker 7: That's part of the same continuum, though, is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: when we were talking about The Black Cat a while back,
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  Speaker 7: you know, there's a... which is an excellent, by the way,
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  Speaker 7: sort of midpoint between horror and noir.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 7: when we have all those German expressionist filmmakers in the
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  Speaker 7: thirties and forties coming into the United States, like basically
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  Speaker 7: you see a series of forks occur. One fork is
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  Speaker 7: the classic universal horror films, which are again, very dramatic
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  Speaker 7: and very stylized. And then you have another hyper dramatic,
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  Speaker 7: hyper stylized genre, but more quote unquote realistic, which is
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  Speaker 7: the noir picture. But you line up, but there's something
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  Speaker 7: about Dracula and something about the woman in the window
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  Speaker 7: or something like that. There's a commonality. There's a, There's
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  Speaker 7: a kind of fantasy to both. There's a kind of
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  Speaker 7: darkness in human desires evident in both. And there's a
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  Speaker 7: kind of highly abstracted filmmaking going on in all of them.
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  Speaker 6: I remember that horror films came under severe censure in
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  Speaker 6: the late 30s.
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  Speaker 8: Really?
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  Speaker 6: Because of the British Film Office. Universal was exporting their
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  Speaker 6: horror films to Britain and their sensibilities were more delicate.
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  Speaker 11: They were probably just mad at the fake British accent.
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  Speaker 6: That's where the whole tradition of rating horror film X
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  Speaker 6: in Britain started because everything was considered X. It was
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  Speaker 6: a different certificate, but I mean, no kids. And so
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  Speaker 6: there was this big backlash against Universal in the late 30s,
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  Speaker 6: around 37. They stopped making monster movies. They stopped. And
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  Speaker 6: it wasn't until they did a double feature of Dracula
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  Speaker 6: and Frankenstein on one of the theaters in L.A. They
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  Speaker 6: ran it 24 hours a day. Wow. People just lined
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  Speaker 6: up and streamed in all day and all night. And
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  Speaker 6: the execs looked at it and said, well, I guess
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  Speaker 6: we're back in business. And the next year they were like,
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  Speaker 6: son of Frankenstein. And they started that whole second cycle
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  Speaker 6: because it was good for business. But for a while
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  Speaker 6: they were off. It was a new ownership as well.
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  Speaker 6: And they just sort of backed off. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 6: really until Val Lewton in the 40s was doing, you know,
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  Speaker 6: Leopard Man and Cat People and I Walked With a
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  Speaker 6: Zombie and all those films that anybody kind of raised
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  Speaker 6: the level.
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  Speaker 10: That's very studio anyways. I don't want to have anything
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  Speaker 10: to do with the previous administration. I want to start
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  Speaker 10: fresh and take responsibility for everything I do.
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  Speaker 3: And they were doing like, you know, nothing.
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  Speaker 6: But Deanna Durbin musicals and nobody's responding. So Monsters came back.
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  Speaker 12: When did the Hays Code come in?
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  Speaker 4: 30.
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  Speaker 6: Late 30s. It was 30, no, it was like, I
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  Speaker 6: think around 33.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, because it came in right at the end
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  Speaker 2: of Black Cat.
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  Speaker 6: Because that's why the black cat in 34 had to
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  Speaker 6: be real careful about the Hayes office.
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  Speaker 11: I'm trying to think of all your Halloween staple characters.
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  Speaker 11: You know, like your Frankenstein monster, your Wolfman, your Dracula.
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  Speaker 3: Skeletor.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: They've all got kind of signature movies that you can
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  Speaker 11: trace it back to where they got big. There's a
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  Speaker 11: couple of other Halloween staples. They've never really had like
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  Speaker 11: a signature.
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  Speaker 3: Like The Witch.
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  Speaker 6: A witch.
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  Speaker 11: That's exactly what I was going at.
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  Speaker 6: Those are carryovers from the old world imagery because you
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  Speaker 6: had all those decorations back in the 30s and 40s
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  Speaker 6: with witches and cats.
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  Speaker 11: But I'm wondering, is the whole, I guess, blueprint for
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  Speaker 11: when you think of a cliched everyday witch, is that
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  Speaker 11: from Wizard of Oz or was there a different movie
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  Speaker 11: where a witch was sort of firmly implanted? It's a
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  Speaker 11: pointy hat, rides a broom.
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  Speaker 2: It's all from Pumpkinhead.
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  Speaker 6: Illustrations of witches pretty much fed The Wizard of Oz. Sorry, what?
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  Speaker 6: All the old illustrations from old books and stuff. I've
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  Speaker 6: got a Halloween decoration. I collect a lot of old
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  Speaker 6: Halloween decorations, and I've got stuff back into the teens
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  Speaker 6: and 20s. And there's a lot of that witch, the
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  Speaker 6: pointy hat and the scraggly nose. It's all there. But
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  Speaker 6: I think The Wizard of Oz is the first film
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  Speaker 6: that actually put that. on film, that iconic version.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, isn't our, like, comical interpretation, which is Shakespearean
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  Speaker 5: for the most part, though, you know?
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I thought. I think that imagery has kind
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  Speaker 5: of always been around.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the old hags and cackling and all that.
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  Speaker 9: I think it kind of goes back to what I
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  Speaker 9: was saying earlier about Halloween, too, though. I want to
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  Speaker 9: say that I read that, again, when a lot of, like,
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  Speaker 9: pagan rituals were sort of being incorporated, I want to say, like,
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  Speaker 9: in Rome, they... were kind of picking up on some
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  Speaker 9: of the instruments used in some kind of pagan fertility
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  Speaker 9: kind of rituals and stuff. And it had to do
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  Speaker 9: with like, you know, they wore a certain hat or
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  Speaker 9: they used a broom for some part of the ritual.
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  Speaker 9: And it kind of became like they kind of lumped
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  Speaker 9: it all together into one character.
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  Speaker 3: So the witch was like a priest, basically.
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  Speaker 9: I believe it was pagan rituals that, you know, had
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  Speaker 9: these kind of, you know, like a doctor has a stethoscope,
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  Speaker 9: things like that. Like, you know, there was priests or
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  Speaker 9: like people in these ceremonies that used a broom or
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  Speaker 9: wore a certain hat. And I think these things got
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  Speaker 9: lumped together into one kind of like, you know, singular identity.
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  Speaker 11: So was there ever a movie called like The Witch
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  Speaker 11: back in the 40s or something like that?
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: There was I Married a Witch with Veronica Lake, which
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: I may or.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: May not have seen. Bell, Book, and Candle.
• 16:20
  Speaker 12: And then you had later on Burn, Witch, Burn.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: Which is a great movie.
• 16:23
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Bell, Book, and Candle.
• 16:24
  Speaker 12: Which that almost, I mean. Burn, Witch, Burn is sort
• 16:27
  Speaker 12: of a companion piece to Curse of the Demon. Curse
• 16:30
  Speaker 12: of the Demon has its own fair share of witchcraft
• 16:32
  Speaker 12: mixed in.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Curse of the Demon also being the ancestor of Drag
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Me to Hell.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: It's got a pretty deep roots.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Curse of the Demon is my favorite classic era horror film,
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: but it's like late 50s, 50s.
• 16:43
  Speaker 12: Burn, Witch, Burn is also damn clever too, both of them.
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was, well, Curse of the Demon was originally
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: Night of the Demon. I think Burn, Witch, Burn was
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: originally Night of the Eagles. They changed the title when
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: they brought it over here.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Where did we get, I mean, when you're talking about
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: that kind of era history, it seems like a lot
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: of our ideas for costumes now are because of that.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Where did we get the idea of the sheet and
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: the ghost? I mean, has that ever worked?
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: Outside of that one Scooby-Doo episode, you mean?
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: I've seen illustrations using that concept. all the way back
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: to like M.R. James, which would be, you know, early
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: 20th century, where you'd see a ghost portrayed that way.
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: I think it kind of transmuted from the shroud. Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: And it just turned into a sheet with the eyes.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the tattered shroud. I know that they make mention
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: of that in descriptions of Varney the Vampire, you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 7: from the teens and whatnot, which is one of our,
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: by the way, one of our enormous early pulp vampire novels,
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: which really helped to sort of set the tone for those,
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: for a lot of actually this kind of horror stuff
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: and Also is famous for jumping the shark, according to
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: most of its fans. One of our early examples of
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: a Dexter-type series. It starts off awesome, and just by
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: the middle of it, you're like, what the hell is
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: going on today?
• 18:06
  Speaker 11: I just think it's funny how back then they wanted
• 18:07
  Speaker 11: to burn witches, and now they want to have sex
• 18:09
  Speaker 11: with them.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Well, there's an interesting transition. They send them to a
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: nice school in northern England. Well, that's the thing.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: There's a transition that occurs in the 70s with the
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: so-called folk horror movement and things like that.
• 18:23
  Speaker 11: Folk horror?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Folk horror.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: For me, the touchstone films are, of course, Wicker Man,
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: Blood on Satan's Claw, one of my all-time favorites, and... God,
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: there's another one in there, but it's escaping me.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: Simon, King of the Witches. Remember that one?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are films that were all
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the same. Devil Rides Out. Devil Rides Out.
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: If you go back and then look at all the
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: old books on witchcraft, then they started realizing, oh, all
• 18:50
  Speaker 10: these women are naked in it. That's that 70s era
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: when they started going, oh, we can use that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: We can show them now.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: Especially at the drive-in. And that's what the folk horror
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: thing kind of was. It was happening towards the twilight.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Of the hippie era.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: And what you see is, well, okay, we're going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: set a film in the bucolic English countryside. Except that,
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: of course, the English countryside isn't really bucolic because it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: always gray.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: And it's always muted brown tones.
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: And people are going to go out into the woods
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: and they're going to be being one with nature. Which also,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: by the way, happens to mean killing children and making.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Sacrifices to dark powers.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: In other words, they reintroduced both the raw sexuality of
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: the thing, like Wicker Man, for instance, is a series
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: of teases ultimately leading up to a sacrifice. A lot
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: of that's kind of.
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: Born out of what Hammer Studios started in the 50s, too.
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: It was the culmination of it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: So there's that whole transition and sort of revealing that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: Other.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Like, there's the comedic witch who's, like, cackling and has
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: her broom and is a very big caricature. And then there's...
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: the sort of, I would say, post-hippie witch of like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: we're getting back to nature, but it turns out that's
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: not as pleasant as we thought it was.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Going to be.
• 20:01
  Speaker 12: They want to seduce you, which seems all right at first,
• 20:04
  Speaker 12: but it's like, no, there's a dark motive behind it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's a lot of messed up psychological stuff
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: going on. So now we have both archetypes with us,
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: and we see that in a lot of movies sort
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: of being played back and forth. We have the goofy,
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: silly witch character, You know, from Wizard of Oz. But
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: we also have the witch that maybe represents our fear
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: of sexuality or maybe represents in some way our fear
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: of nature.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting that, you know, I mean, even in
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: the Odyssey, that's how the witch was in the Odyssey.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Which witch? Calypso or?
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: Not Calypso.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Cersei.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: Cersei.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Cersei.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was, like, the beautiful, like, seductress witch, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: who came with her magic wand and turned everybody into pigs.
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and who Odysseus was told, like, well, then she's
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: going to ask you to go to bed with her
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: and you can't say no because, you know, she's a
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: goddess and you're a dude.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: Well, since you mentioned the old school decorations, I forgot
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: I actually brought my original era pumpkin here.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, nice.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Did anybody else have that?
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I remember those.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Did you have that one?
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: It's like the Amadeus thing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: He's a bipolar pumpkin.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: Is that Empire Plastics?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I think so. And it had a hole that the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: candy would leak out of.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. She's bad planning.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Well, these were all like in the 60s and 70s.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: And you had these plastic blow-molded buttons.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you've got to drain the water out if it's raining.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: And you had those light-up decorations with the pumpkin on
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: the haystack that would be in the windows. I've got
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: a bunch of that.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Wow, that takes me back.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Way back.
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's nothing like the smell of that full of candy.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You stick your face into that plastic.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, I did many times. I love that smell.
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, and that slightly rough edge that the plastic
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: always had. Because they could never make soft plastic edges.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: It was always scratchy and.
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: Let me ask you something. Whenever you were a little girl... You're.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Talking to me, right?
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: I'm talking to everyone. Whenever Halloween came around, did you
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: ever want to dress up as something scary or was
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: it always Polly Pocket?
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: And I'm wondering, is it because there aren't really that
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: many female scary things?
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's true.
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: There are a lot less to work from.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I don't recall ever dressing as anything scary ever.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Which is weird because you were a creepy child.
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: Well, no, that's the thing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I was always scary.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So, like, I mean, I'm going to dress like that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: This was your day.
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: Your disguise was someone nice.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I remember the first costumes I remember was the homemade
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: bunny costume. My mom made the ears out of, like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: cardboard and she colored it with crayons. And then I
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: was a ballerina for several years, like with a homemade
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: tall ballerina skirt. And then after that, the Polly Pocket.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: One year, my mom insisted that I go to school
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: dressed as a hillbilly.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: This doesn't surprise me, knowing your mom.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: No.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: That's like the hobo.
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: It's always a cute, charming hillbilly.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: We got these pants that don't fit you and this
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: old shirt. Let's just not watch.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: This is a really traumatic experience for me, though, because...
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: She'd gotten a paper that said it was like dress
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: up day. And then I was like, I think they
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: canceled it. And I was trying to tell my mom
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: this and she didn't believe me. And she was like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: she braided my hair and she took a pencil and
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: drew freckles on my face and tooth blackout that she
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: had for some reason. Put me in a pair of
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: overalls and applied shirt. and sent me to school, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: no one was fucking dressed up. And this was like preschool.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: This was preschool, and it was really traumatic for me.
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: And I think that's why I never wanted a homemade
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: costume again, that moment.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: By the way, speaking to the student thing, just a
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: brief aside, it seems to me that when I think
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: back to my kindergarten days, we were always dressing up
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: for something. There was always an excuse. Because in Thanksgiving...
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: We all wore costumes. We were either Indians or pilgrims.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: There was, like, one pilgrim in our class. Like, one
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: poor child. Her mother made her wear, like, the pilgrim
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: buckle hat and everything, and the rest of us were
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: awesome Indians.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's probably easier to dress as an Indian, though, to, like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: make an Indian costume.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Well, and more awesome. Like, I mean, come on. You're
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: wearing feathers and, like, running around in.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And you've got a dead bird on your head, obviously.
• 24:27
  Speaker 14: Well, thank you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That's what all Indians do.
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: Even now in high school, do the female students, do
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: they dress scary or is it all across the board slutty?
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: I'd say in high school there's no scary.
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: It's mostly slutty.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: I've got a daughter who just turned, you know, she's eight.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: And she's, of course, a huge Halloween fan. She has
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: to live in my house.
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: Don't like it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: But early on she was cute and scary. She'd be
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: like a little black cat. And then she was a
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: witch one year. And then she kind of got the
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: cutes for a couple years where she was like a
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: little fairy princess. But then she's really into scary stuff.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: She hangs around where I do. So last year she
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: was the girl from The Grudge.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Seven-year-old grudge girl.
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: That's very cool.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: People would open their door and they'd hear, ah. She
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: wants to do a more elaborate version of that this
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: year with more blood.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And Dad standing off to the side of the boom box.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: But this is being marketed and fed to kids more
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: successfully now because you've got monster high dolls oh yeah
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: which i.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Don't know they're everywhere money loves those but i think it's.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: The classic universal you know i really imagine i admire
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: those toys they're viciously marketed but they're.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Clever they are and they're pretty well made and they're really.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: They put a lot of detail and work into them
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: and they're like linear descendants of classic monsters so you
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: got the daughter of the creature and you've got the
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: daughter of frankenstein.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: And This is like Muppet Babies.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: My daughter has like 70 of them.
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: I'll actually ask you, like, policies on trick-or-treating. Because I
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: was having this argument with some of my students the
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: other day because they were talking about, you know, they
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: like Halloween because they get to go out trick-or-treating. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: I'm talking about going trick-or-treating this year. I was like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: y'all are in high school. Like, so it's free candy.
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: It's like, in my family, it was really, really strict.
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: My mom, or the rules that we had is if
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: you were big enough to carry your own bucket, that's
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: when you were old enough.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: It's a trick-or-treat.
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: And once you hit a teenager, you stop. Because my
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: mom always said, once you get to be a teenager,
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: you don't appreciate it the way you used to when.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: You were younger.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: But I can carry it back.
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: And also, you ruin it for the little kids because
• 26:32
  Speaker 12: you're going around as a teenager and it just sours people.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And you're being a jerk, usually. But that's the whole
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: thing that like.
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: That's the whole thing that vexes me. Like last year,
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: I just went out around with Dave because it vexed me.
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: You're giving away candy. Of course, I also don't like
• 26:48
  Speaker 12: the fact that I live in my district, so I'll
• 26:52
  Speaker 12: see 16-year-old students coming around. It's like, can I have
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: some candy, Mr.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: Candy?
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: I'm sitting here thinking, fuck you. But the other thing
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: that drives me crazy, too, is the parents pushing around
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: a baby in a stroller in an outfit, and the
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: parents carrying the candy. I'm sitting there thinking, you son
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: of a bitch. It's just, you want it for yourself.
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: And I don't know, I mean, just because that's the
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: way we were raised. Because part of the fun of trick-or-treating, like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: is the element of fear. You're going around to strangers' houses,
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: like you were talking about earlier, and you're taking a
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: chance just getting this candy from them. And you're going around,
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: especially growing up in the south end of Louisville. I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: it was just sort of a, you know, it's not
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: a bad neighborhood.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: It's an adventure.
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: It is.
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: And so once you get old enough, that fear sort
• 27:40
  Speaker 12: of disappears and you don't appreciate the mystique of it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 12: But at the same time, if you're too little and
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: it's just, It's not your ceremony. It's like there's that
• 27:48
  Speaker 12: range there.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, having a child and then being able to revisit
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: all this has been just the most amazing thing. Because
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I've always loved Halloween. But to go back to the
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: root and to be on those sidewalks at night with
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: all the mysterious doors.
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: Going around with y'all last year.
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: It was a cold.
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: Night last year, but it was like still it's that
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: anticipation of ringing the bell, saying trick-or-treat. And, you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: people reacting to you and going up to houses that
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: are really decorated great and being slightly scared. That's all
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: wonderful stuff that you only experience in that environment.
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: There's a shift, too, that's, you know, A, I fucking
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: hate trunk or treat. Like, that is the most pansy,
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: lazy-ass way to get candy is just to walk around
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: a parking lot and get shit out of the backs
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: of cars. It's like, no... March around the neighborhoods, but, like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: all this trunk-or-treat, yes, that's.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Well, that's the point.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: Part of the point of Halloween, it seems to me, is.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: And this is kind.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Of neat, because if you think about Halloween, again, at
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: its root, or, sorry, at its origins, you know, this
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: idea that the exterior world has somehow become thinner, you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: like we're... It is easier for us to pass into
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: other dimensions by accident, and to run into the ghosts
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: of our dead relatives, good and bad.
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: In Halloween, the way we practice it, there's a kind
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: of an interiority there, too, where we, for the first time,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: might get to see the inside of houses that we've
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: only seen on the outside. We actually have a social
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: contract reason to, like, walk up to some stranger's house
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: that we've never even spoken to and demand things from them.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: You know, and I don't just mean that in sort of, like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: the bizarreness of it, but there's... There's an intimacy there
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: that is unusual. And it happens in this highly stylized
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: fashion where you have to be in costume. And usually
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: they're in costume too. So these two people who have
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: no reason to speak to each other actually... meet at
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: one person's house and exchange things. There's something very mysterious
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: about that whole process. Like from the point of view
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: of someone who lives in a neighborhood and talks to
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: maybe the person that lives right next door to them.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was extremely excited once we got a house,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: and it was in a neighborhood that you could walk
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: and that people would be out and trick-or-treating. And the
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: first year, I bought the best candy you could buy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I bought it early. I bought the good stuff and
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: was ready. And my daughter was little, and I said, no,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you take her out, and she can do her trick-or-treating.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going to stay home because I'm going to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the cool house that you get the good candy from,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: and I want to be that guy. Sticking her clean.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: And nobody came by.
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: And that's what I was going to say earlier. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: don't know if it's because I live so close to
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: a mall. Because I've worked in a mall but also
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: live fairly close to it. So I've had both situations
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: where I work at the mall on Halloween day and
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: see the hundreds– Of people that come to the mall
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: to do their trick-or-treating. I mean, it's like this constant
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: line that's just flowing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: That goes back to what I'm saying. Within the past
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: few years, it's become like this whole promotion to do
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: trick-or-treating the safe way.
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: Do it before it gets dark.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Go to a parking lot. It's not about being safe.
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: Go to the zoo to where everything is cute. You're
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: going to the mall to trick-or-treat.
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: It's like a recent shit. It's so weird that.
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: Suddenly we're, like you were saying, we go to these
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: horror conventions.
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: Once a month. I don't understand the juxtaposition of where
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: we love and embrace horror so much, but yet the
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: thing that should be like a celebration of it is
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: slowly becoming safer and more passive.
• 31:22
  Speaker 11: It's probably because horror fans, like, you know, there's you
• 31:27
  Speaker 11: and then there's the not-we, you know, the people who
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: aren't horror fans. Halloween is probably the night where people
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: who aren't horror fans, you know, it's their one night
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: to dress up and bring their kids out but they
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: want to keep them safe i mean it's the whole
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: culture is doing that i mean you got playgrounds that
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: are not built on blacktop that was the playground that
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: i played on but now it's it's all with soft
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: rubber and stuff it's across the board by the way and.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: You're lucky if you see a kid in one yeah
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: you know but you get this whole movement.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Because they're not fun well you know there's actually a
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: research study that was done in japan that they make
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: extremely difficult playgrounds and dangerous playgrounds. One is real popular.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: It's logs that are almost too far for kids to
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: jump across that are in the air. And no one
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: gets hurt on them because the kids respect the playground
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: equipment and it's a challenge to them. But here we
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: make things that kids are like, fuck this, I'm going
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to find a way to make it dangerous. And I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: going to climb on the wrong way. And then I'm
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: going to break my arm. And that's it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: I'm going to find a way to make this dangerous.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking about basically every Halloween movie I've ever seen
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: involves the gang of 11-year-old boys and probably one or
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: two girls as well who are like, Looking at that
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: one house on the corner that no one ever has
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: the stones to go up to and knock on the
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: door of. And inevitably they run into a gang of
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: bigger kids. Everyone's unsupervised and they're scared of the bigger
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: kids because they might actually beat them up and take
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: their candy. There's a whole ritual aspect to it that's...
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: there's very much like kids on their own with like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: with some initiative. You know, there's the opportunity to go
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: to this house, the opportunity to go to that house.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Which is not reality. Well, they're all supervillains.
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: Oh, of course not.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Well, it used to be reality.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It used to be, well, kids, have fun trick-or-treating.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Or at most, have.
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: Fun trick-or-treating with your older brother who is 17 and
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: is immediately going to find his girlfriend as he walks
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: out the door, like, you know, and abandon you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got the appeal of the adventure, you've got
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: the fact that you're disguised.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And you're probably going to be crying as you get older.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: That's really potent stuff when you're a kid.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: And like I said, we're gradually trying to take it
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: all away.
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: Again, it's because everything's become sort of corporatized, and now
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: everything's being filtered through the soccer moms.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And what does soccer mom want to do?
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: Well, she wants to take the kid to the safe place,
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: like the mall, where you can go around. And I
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: think it is that aspect where everything has to be
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: filtered through, like, the lowest common denominator. What's the most
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: generic way we can do this?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Halloween mall with real Halloween action.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: Luckily, you know, there are still places, you know, there
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: are still neighborhoods that celebrate properly. Germantown is good. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: if you ever go over on Hillcrest Avenue.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: They're amazing.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: You know what goes on over there.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: They're professionals.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: It's pretty cool.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Last year I took my two, she was two at
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: the time, my niece trick-or-treating. And this house across the
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: street from her uncle's, every year they do like this
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: really elaborate haunted house in the yard. And their theme
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: was scary, evil clowns.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: There's one I don't get.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: And she's, I mean, she's pretty fearless. But she was
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: standing beside me and she wanted to go through the
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: haunted house. And there were people trying to scare her.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: And this man in like this terrifying clown mask. came
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: up behind her and was like, oh, and it startled her.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: So she, so she jumped and then she turns around
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: and it was like, I was so proud of her.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: She goes, oh, hi, happy Halloween.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Trick or treat.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: And she was like totally unfazed. I was so proud.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: But I mean, like, I don't.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Even have any children, but for a second I was like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: how dare he be that scary?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: She's only two. And they're just.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm one of those people.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Like, ah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: It's that same old children.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 35:22
  Speaker 16: Man, you know that house up at the end of
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: the road that nobody goes near?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you why they don't. Well, in
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the haunted house at the top of the hill, the
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: spooks give around to test their skill.
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: That stroke of 12 every night seems such a frightful sight.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Stay, stay awake when the ghosts and the goblins play.
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: When the hands of the clocks blow off midnight, they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: getting out of sight.
• 35:53
  Speaker 14: It's intermission time. So how about taking a break, get
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: out and stretch a little, and relax before the show
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: begins again. And why not make it refreshment time, too?
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: We have lots of tasty, delicious treats waiting for you
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: at the refreshment center. There's hot popcorn, so golden good
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: and fresh out of the popper. And all kinds of
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: refreshing ice-cold soft drinks. Sizzling hot dogs just bursting with
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: juicy goodness. Ice cream so smooth and delicious you'll hanker
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: for more. Plus, all the most popular candy bars and
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: many other favorite treats. So why not visit the refreshment
• 36:30
  Speaker 14: center now? Our courteous attendants are ready and waiting to
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: serve you with a wide and wonderful variety of.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Good things to eat and drink.
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: So step right up and make yourself at home.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Out of the depths of darkness rises... Garganta, the true
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: king of monsters. He's on his way alive.
• 36:59
  Speaker 14: In person.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: to.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Scare the yell out of you. Garganta, on the stage...
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: in Dr. Silpini's giant triple... dream show for the first
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: time on any stage the stage that brought you the
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: frankstein monster in person now brings you direct from hollywood
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: garganta the giant gorilla of the universe alive and in
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: person in a three-hour performance filled with more chills, thrills,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: laughs than you've ever experienced in this century. It is engrossing, exciting, fascinating,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: filled with tense climaxes, gripping scenes, beautiful starlets. Yes, it's Garganta.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: This child in human menace. This 782 pounds of dynamite
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: that makes Kong the gorilla look like a monkey.
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: And that's not all.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: During the dark seance when all the lights are dim, ghosts, spirits,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: and vampires descend into the audience. You may find yourself
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: holding a ghost, your girl, or someone else's girl. So
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: watch out when the lights go out. But as Mae
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: West would say, it'll separate the men from the boys.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: In New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, critics have proclaimed this
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: stage a tragedy. Costumes designed by aliens. Yes, it's a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: stage show for every performance in the Dark Sea Ants,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: but the adult may be afraid.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: To walk home alone.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Now is your first and only chance to see in person,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: on stage, and alive Garganta, the giant gorilla of the universe.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Watch for it. Remember the time, the place, and the
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: date to see Garganta alive and in person.
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: Dave, I do not get superheroes.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't get you.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: What don't you get? Towerbot here.
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: Well, the meatbags were going to say that if you're
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: a geek and like podcasts, then you could try Tower
• 39:11
  Speaker 17: of Technobabble at www.toweroftechnobabble.com. Then this started. Well, it's up
• 39:20
  Speaker 17: to you. I'm gonna get my taser and put a
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: stop to this.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Tower bot out. Okay, monkeys.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: It's nap time.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, look what I've got.
• 39:37
  Speaker 10: Check out these awesome earbuds I'm using right now.
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: Look at that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: That's wood right there.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: That's actual wood.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Why would you use wood to make technology?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Because they're... It's like... They're steampunk.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: Is steampunk really wood?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I thought it was more of a brass thing.
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: Well, you got to work the wood in to hold
• 39:56
  Speaker 10: the brass together. These are the fancy high-end steampunk versions
• 40:00
  Speaker 10: with a mic built in, mind you. But yeah, where
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: would I get these you wonder?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Tweaked Audio.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Way to pitch.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: You want to hear more, you say?
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: TweakedAudio.com.
• 40:16
  Speaker 10: Hey, they are available in three styles and seven colors.
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: And they sound pretty damn good. I kind of forgot
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: because I hadn't had my old pair in a while
• 40:25
  Speaker 10: and I was using the knockoff crappy ones I bought
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: at the store. And I got these and.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Put them in.
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: I was like, oh, shit, that's right.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: These are actually really good. So they are professional quality earbuds,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: mind you.
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: And, you know, noise reducing, compatible with your iPods and
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: most phones, unless you have a dumb phone.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: You should really get a smartphone, not a dumb phone.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: But You just.
• 40:47
  Speaker 14: Keep a bunch on hand for gifts when you don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 14: know what the perfect thing is.
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: Around the holidays, I was putting that word out. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: was like, you know, go ahead and stock up.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: They're good for Hanukkah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: They're good for Christmas.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for a while there, we were thinking at the alley,
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: we'd have a giant stack of iPads and be like, hey, guys,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: thanks for coming down. I'm sorry you didn't want to
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: see the show, but here, take a free iPad.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty good promo, actually. Yeah, yeah. If it said, like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the alley on the back, you'd be like, hey, look
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: The Tommy Fresh style of promotions.
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: For all you Parks and Rec fans out there.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: He's on to something, though.
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: If you give someone a free iPad, they're far more
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: likely to look upon you favorably.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not wearing his old clothes, though.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: That's all I have to say.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: That's a little weird.
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: So, anyway, the.
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: The basic rundown here, if you need yourself some earbuds, tweakedaudio.com.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: And if you go there, there's a deal.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: There's a Meltdown deal.
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: If you go, there's a discount code, and you put
• 41:43
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• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. You guys are excited, right?
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: As well you should be.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: A little more passion, guys.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Look, he's directing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: Crap.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Told me not to do that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It's like it's a theater or something. Tweet.io.com. Use the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Meltdown code.
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying.
• 42:09
  Speaker 8: Oh, no, not the beast!
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Not the beast!
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: Ah!
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: I love my eyes!
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: My eyes! Ah! Ah! Hi, everybody.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: I'm Tony Todd. You're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 42:22
  Speaker 11: Pay attention and enjoy the conversations.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: The unique conversations.
• 42:38
  Speaker 17: It's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
• 42:41
  Speaker 17: enough movies.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. And now,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: on with the show.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Well, the ghosts and.
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: The witches and the devil too are in there mixing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: Up a room.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: And if a man should.
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: Venture near, his soul inside will disappear. Your soul and
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: mine is in there. Through the fate of which we
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: had no clue.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: All we do is hope and pray.
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: We'll be here another day.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Stay, stay away.
• 43:18
  Speaker 15: From the ghosts and the goblins. Play when the hands
• 43:21
  Speaker 15: of the clock spell out midnight. Better get in our
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: house out of sight.
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: I don't know.
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: I mean, to me, I associate more like true Halloween...
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: Just being in a neighborhood where you see somebody every
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: now and then, but there's a lot of that eerie
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: desolation as you're going around trick-or-treating.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: That's what's most appealing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: Because growing up in Brooks for a few years, because
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: the houses were so spaced far apart, I mean, you
• 43:48
  Speaker 12: could walk sometimes for, you know, 10 minutes before you
• 43:52
  Speaker 12: get to another house. What someone in the neighborhood started
• 43:54
  Speaker 12: doing was there was a farmer that– just actually they
• 43:59
  Speaker 12: ended up, I think they actually just made hay or
• 44:02
  Speaker 12: grew hay. And so he would go around with a
• 44:04
  Speaker 12: hay truck and just all the parents would come and
• 44:07
  Speaker 12: bring the kids and all the kids would just go
• 44:09
  Speaker 12: off with this one person and he would just drive
• 44:12
  Speaker 12: you to a house and you'd get out and stop
• 44:13
  Speaker 12: because the parents didn't go along because they were staying
• 44:15
  Speaker 12: at the houses. And basically that was the whole thing
• 44:19
  Speaker 12: is you would make the whole circumference around the basic
• 44:23
  Speaker 12: area and then when it finally got back to like, base,
• 44:27
  Speaker 12: the meet-up point, was where they had a big Halloween
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: party for the whole neighborhood. It was really, really cool.
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: I remember them doing that for three.
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: Or four years. It's a rural aspect that's kind of vanishing.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: My first Halloween memory is my grandparents had a farm
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: about 100 miles south of here. We still have it.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: It's way out. I think I was probably one or two.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: I just remember these being held in someone's arms as
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: someone came to the door and knocked, and they're wearing
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: some creepy rubber mask. And it completely freaked me out.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And that's why you are the way you are.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: That's exactly.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: And I had a grandmother who had a rubber mask
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: that she kept in the dish towel drawer. And if
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: I was in any way misbehaving, she'd go get the
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: false face. She'd put the false face on.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Oh, God, she called it the false face.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: And it was like this pirate, you know, with a mustache.
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: And it really fucked me up.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: But I love it. She was a Sunday school teacher.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: I hear flesh and blood, but I will put on
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: the false face and come after you.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: I ever hear people, I guess that's a.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: Popular tactic for keeping your children to behave. Because I
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: hear people say that at work or at the mall.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: I'll hear people say, do you want me to go
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: get the mask? I'll put the mask on.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: To their small child.
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: We're getting back to sexy Halloween.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: That really disturbed me. Well, that's what that reminded me.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: I've heard several people say that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: Of like you, Beau, telling the story about like, You
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: couldn't do that now because there's no way in hell
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: anybody would just drop off their kids with somebody. Even
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: if it's somebody in the neighborhood. People don't trust anybody
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: anymore with good reason. There's a lot of horrible people
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: out there. But I wouldn't do that at this point.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't just take my kids. I don't think there
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: are anymore.
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: I don't think there are. It's just it's become more publicized.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is.
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: Those people have always been out there and have been
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: doing those horrible things since the dawn of time.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But now we worry about it constantly.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: There are more people, but only because there's more people
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: per capita.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Inhumanity.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like they said in general.
• 46:24
  Speaker 12: They've always been out there.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It's funny that we didn't worry
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: about that stuff then.
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: And because, I guess, it wasn't in the news constantly.
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: With the late night news just hammering it home with
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: the teaser, what's going to kill your kid?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Tune in at 11.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Sixth Ed World.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I'm always something.
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: Do they do trick-or-treat every, like, in Europe, or is
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: it kind of just here?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty.
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: Much an American thing.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: It's mostly an American thing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure that they do do it in
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: some places, but I can't imagine that it's.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: More than that. It really became the thing over here.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: You know, but.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: You guys said the word desolation earlier, and that's been
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: ringing a bell in my mind for a little bit.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: And I think to myself that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 7: Everything that we're describing that we don't like about what
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: Halloween has become, like I said, Halloween mall with real
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: Halloween action. There's a sense of there's organization to it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: There is a cooperativeness to it. And aside from the
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: example with the hay truck driving around, there's this sense
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: of which was a positive example of the same. There's
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: this sense of planning and organization, and it's like an event. Basically,
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: you're taking your kids to their first con or something
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: like that. But when I think to myself about being
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: a kid in Halloween, when I think about most of
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: the Halloweens that I heard about or saw, it's like, okay,
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: it's evening.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: School's out. Parents are all in the houses. No one's out.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: Except for every now and again, you see this little
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: gang of kids dressed up as demons. And they giggle
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: and run off.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Into the distance.
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: Or they're banging on someone's door and demanding in high-pitched
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: squealy voices that you give them candy. There's something kind
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: of weirdly fun and bleak at the same time. It's
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: like this weird post-apocalyptic world where all the kids are just...
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: You know, running around, you know, looting houses and wearing
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: costumes and TPing trees and.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Kind of anarchy night.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: It's anarchic.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: And like I said, trick-or-treat used to be not just
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: something you said mindlessly. It was a threat.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: Come to the door and say trick-or-treat. If they didn't
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: give you a treat, well, that's when you'd soap their
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: window or TP the door. You'd knock over the outhouse,
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: the good stuff.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I do remember one true moment of trick-or-treat that I had.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: We.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: we were out and I was in the sixth grade.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So almost that end of Halloween. And we were going
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: around and, um, we went to this door and we
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: were bound and determined. They were kind of come to
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: the door. The lights were out. We kept ringing. We
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: kept knocking. And this older gentleman came to the door
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: and he told us to, to leave and go home.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: He didn't believe in Halloween.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Um, Atheist.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: He was going to call the cops if we didn't
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: let him alone. Well, we TP'd the shit.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: Out of that guy.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: That's right. He also said that we were too old
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: to go trick-or-treating.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, oh.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: Fuck that guy.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: That was the one time. that I was like, okay.
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: And when the cops came, did you explain it to them?
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I was one of those kids where I was raised Catholic.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So I felt guilty immediately after I did it. So
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I had to go home and tell my parents, this is.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: What I do.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Because I wasn't going to be able to eat my
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: candy or go to sleep until I told them to confess.
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: See, I would have been like calling my parents, Mom,
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: you have no idea what this guy just said to me.
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: I need a carton of eggs right now. I have
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: some serious work to do.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: I would help my kids now if they ask for
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: I never really thought too much about the saying trick-or-treat.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So the trick.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Is from the child aspect or the trick-or-treater? Because I
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: always thought you were like... asking for a trick or
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: a treat, you know, like for them to do something
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: really cool.
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: If you don't give me a treat, I will, yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: I will mess you up. Your property will go down
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: in value.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: It's an ultimatum. I just never really thought about it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like they could have done like a little card
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: trick for you instead of giving you candy. I mean,
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: it's just so.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: You'll get a visit by the Phantom Crapper.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: It's just such a meaningless expression that I never really
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: even considered it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: Although I like the idea of like, well, you can
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: give me candy or you can have this ultra.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Long scarf that I already have in my pocket.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Sort of absurd, like, I just saw my friend in half.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I have a rabbit, and he also was in there.
• 50:40
  Speaker 18: Almost like the idea of just, this year, just baking
• 50:45
  Speaker 18: a bunch of just cookies, and then just putting them
• 50:47
  Speaker 18: in a Ziploc bag with a little note that says,
• 50:50
  Speaker 18: there's nothing wrong with this cookie.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Trust me.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and just give those out. These cookies will make
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: you feel sick.
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: How much would those bother parents?
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: You know what you should do?
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: Make up your cookies. You should make your cookies, put
• 51:04
  Speaker 11: them in a plastic bag, but then take a razor
• 51:05
  Speaker 11: blade and put it in a plastic bag. Give it
• 51:07
  Speaker 11: to them and say, if you want to do it,
• 51:09
  Speaker 11: it's not me.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: It's all up to you.
• 51:11
  Speaker 10: No, no, no.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: There's a series of notes. One says razor blade sold separately.
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: The other one says it's okay if these cookies make
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: you sleepy.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: This bag doesn't have the razor blade in it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah, put that on there.
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: It's like, but your mom will let you eat this
• 51:25
  Speaker 12: cookie because she's paranoid. Or maybe that's.
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: How the razor blade thing happened because you guys were
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: talking about how if you're a teenager.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: You're too old to go trick-or-treating.
• 51:36
  Speaker 11: Maybe some guy was like, I'm sick of having kids
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: that are old enough to shave. I'm going to give
• 51:41
  Speaker 11: them a razor so they'll go home because they're too old.
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: I was thinking that. That may be the cutoff. It's
• 51:45
  Speaker 10: old enough to get a razor blade.
• 51:48
  Speaker 11: But I'm thinking a guy was trying to like, here,
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: you don't need candy. You need a razor. Go home
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: and leave me alone.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: You scruffy bastard. Get the hell off my lawn.
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: See, now I just think there are more cookie signs
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: we could do like, you know, Your mom doesn't want
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: you to eat this cookie, so keep it hidden from
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: her and don't tell her about it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Like, this cookie will give you superpowers. Be sure to
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: tell all the other kids that you can see into
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: their minds.
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: That'll just get some chalk and just on... The driveway.
• 52:20
  Speaker 12: Draw some, like, really bizarre pagan symbols in chalk. And
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: just be very insistent that the parents have their child
• 52:27
  Speaker 12: stand alone on that spot to get the candy.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: And then be like, you must announce that you desire
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: the candy.
• 52:36
  Speaker 11: You could technically do that at the parking lot where
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: they're doing the trunk-a-treat.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: So you have to stand in the trunk-a-treat summoning circle.
• 52:48
  Speaker 11: You could bring the fear back.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: HP Lovecraft's trunk-a-treat.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Actually, I just want to show up there with a van.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Be like, you gotta walk through the van to get
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: your candy. No kids!
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: In the van.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, essentially, isn't truck retreat teaching children the opposite
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: of what parents want to teach their children?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Then you have to sit in the trunk to get
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the candy.
• 53:09
  Speaker 12: No, no, no.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: It's totally true. It's that desolation.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: It's like, well, we're going to let these kids wander
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: by themselves in costumes so no one can recognize them
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: and go up to strangers' houses and request things.
• 53:21
  Speaker 12: Actually, would that or would it be just Fun too
• 53:23
  Speaker 12: to do trunk or treat by yourself. Just go out
• 53:26
  Speaker 12: to some weird road where maybe somebody goes by once
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: every 20 minutes and just stop and just set it up.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And have like a sign, trunk or treat, just look forward.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Just as people come back, candy, candy, candy. Damn.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: I'm so happy that one of my closest friends had
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: a baby because like now I don't have to feel
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: so weird.
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: Now I can give her away on Halloween.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Like I don't have to feel so weird like doing
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: all these things that are meant for children or people
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: with children.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Never stops me.
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: I'm the guy with the band.
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: I like to dress up and go out with Allie
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: in a scary outfit and scare the other kids. We
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: didn't get a chance to do much of that last
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: year because it was so cold. I was that dad
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: who was always laying in the front yard in the
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: leaf pile. They think I was a dummy. They think
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: I'd be dressed in a clown or something. I hope there.
• 54:16
  Speaker 11: Wasn't a kid dressed as a farmer with a pitchfork.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: I would always be lying there and I'd never do
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: the The jump scare, I would always be subtle. They'd
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: walk by me, and they'd get their candy, and then
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: I would just slowly move their hands, and that would
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: be enough. They'd be in the streets, you know, dodging cars.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: There's nothing much more fun than that, really.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: It's great.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: This year, it's not quite a trunk or treat, but
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: we are taking my kids to a nursing home, where
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: just in the evening before we go, it's... Because all
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: of the residents will come out and sit at their door.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: That's going to be a great joy for the residents.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: They're going to love that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: That was my first job is I washed dishes at
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: a nursing home. And the first job I had before
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: anything happened is I took to the people that couldn't
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: leave their rooms, I took their food around to them
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: for the day, for the evening. And my boss was
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: always like, if they want to talk, stop and talk
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: to them. And it was almost like I had 40
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: grandparents because they all wanted to know how school was
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: doing and just anything about my life just to talk
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: to somebody. And that's why I was like, yeah, I
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: want to do this with the kids. Because any time
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: you have kids interacting with people, it brings them back
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: to life.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: It does.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I think it will be just as much a treat
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: for the adults as it will be for the kids.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: So we're going to do that and then go do
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: our trick-or-treat.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Isn't every day there like Halloween when they hand out
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the medicine?
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: There you go.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: But I think more things like that, you know, if
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: you're going to do a trunk or treat, that's pretty lame.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: You know, like, you know, with the churches and stuff
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: like that, those seem kind of like we're going to
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: put a dome around our kids and keep them from
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: getting anything ever. But I like this idea.
• 55:55
  Speaker 11: That's a good costume, a dome around a kid. It's
• 55:59
  Speaker 11: Bubble Boy.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, actually, I remember another costume.
• 56:03
  Speaker 10: Scary?
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: One year, my cousin made me dress up as a
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: person in a shower.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: She built this.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: Like, elaborate thing for me and made me wear it
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: to this haunted house we were going to, which was, like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: just bulky and completely inappropriate. Because people don't get dressed
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: up to go to haunted houses. Like, it wasn't Halloween.
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: It was, like, two weeks before. And she made me
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: wear it and I had to wear a shower cap
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: and it was horrible. Like, my whole life has been
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: me being forced to wear really stupid costumes that were
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: embarrassing and.
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: Well, that's a good way to round it out. Let's
• 56:36
  Speaker 10: throw out a good costume that everybody had. At least one,
• 56:39
  Speaker 10: or throw out a few good ones that you had.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Or bad ones. I'll have to give a shout-out to
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: my mom, because I was in love with Star Wars.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: And the only character that mattered to me was Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Good man. She got a brown... blanket, and she could sew.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: She sewed it into a hood in the back.
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: By the way, this is proper Alec Guinness Obi-Wan, not
• 57:04
  Speaker 11: the only good one.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had on boots, and I had on
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: khakis and a white t-shirt, one of my dad's white t-shirts.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: And she even had some makeup that she had to
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: make it look like a beard, a white beard. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the best part, because this was back in the time
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: when you couldn't get a lightsaber. There was no such
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: thing as getting a toy lightsaber anywhere.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Now there's like one at the gas station.
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Because they're everywhere now. And she took, with some golf bags,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: they have like a clear plastic sleeve that each one
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: goes in. And she took, they had just come out,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: the cracked glow sticks. It was like one of the
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: first years those ever came out. And she had found
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: a way to tape them. into the tube and cracked
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: them all right before we left. It looked like a lightsaber.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: It was the coolest costume. It was a sheet and
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: a tube from my dad's golf set. It was the
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: best costume I've ever had. It's probably the best costume
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: I've ever had. Everybody knew who I was. Nobody else
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: was Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: You didn't wear a tag saying Obi-Wan Kenobi.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Well, then how did they know who you were?
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: It was still the best costume I've ever had.
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: And again, Greg, because your mom made a lightsaber, she
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: is technically now a Jedi. That's like the last step.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: She had completed her training.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I realize that was mine. It went back and forth.
• 58:36
  Speaker 10: I guess I had classic horror monsters, which, again, this
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: speaks very well of how I turned out. It alternated
• 58:41
  Speaker 10: between classic horror monsters and characters from Star Wars. So
• 58:45
  Speaker 10: it all makes sense because, yeah, I listed all the
• 58:47
  Speaker 10: monsters earlier. Then I also, in the middle of that,
• 58:50
  Speaker 10: was Darth Vader, was Yoda at one point after Empire
• 58:53
  Speaker 10: came out. And then in the very first run, it
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: may have been before I was Darth Vader. It seems
• 58:59
  Speaker 10: odd now because it's the dorkiest character in the whole series.
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: I was 3PO.
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: I guess just because he was a robot. I mean,
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: he was still pretty cool because he was a big
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: shiny dude.
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: How'd you do the shiny?
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: What did you do?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It said C-3PO on my chest.
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: It was one of the Ben Coopers, I believe. The
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: mask was actually really good. And it actually did have
• 59:18
  Speaker 10: a weird... Do you remember, though? Like, you could almost
• 59:20
  Speaker 10: see through it, but at the same time.
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: See through PO?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: But, like, from one side. Like, it was a weird plastic.
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: I've never seen anything like that.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Almost like half mirror.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Almost like, yeah, like a two-way mirror, one way. Yeah,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: it was weird.
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: I think I mentioned it, one of our casts a
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: long time ago, about how the Star Wars marketing caught
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: everybody by surprise. So they actually didn't have the Halloween
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: costumes out in the fall of 77. And the first
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: time you saw one was Darth Vader for Christmas. Which
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: I got.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Big stacks.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: Darth Vader this Christmas.
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: That sounds like a great book, Darth Vader for Christmas.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: There's big stacks of those.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: There's a picture of me in front of the tree.
• 59:56
  Speaker 10: Wearing like i'm there in the christmas morning pjs with
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: a vader mask on oh yeah my the first run
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 10: of when they did the lightsabers i got a really
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 10: it's a flashlight with a plastic tube basically but yeah
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 10: that was on christmas But I got the Halloween costume.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: Was it the one that had the air effect? Remember
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: the one that had kind of like a whistling thing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: and the handle says you suck it?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: No, it was before that. It was total knockoff.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: The first one was called the Force Beam.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: It had a black handle.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: It had a little guard they put on it and
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: it had a little tube that lit up.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: It was called the Force Beam. They had it in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: all hardware stores and everywhere.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I think that was it.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Kenner didn't get into the business for a while.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 11: A really easy Star Wars costume I never saw anyone
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 11: do was a jaw lock.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: That'd be just, I've seen it recently.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: So with the glowing eyes, it's pretty cool.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Speaking of which I did, do you remember the, the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: light up?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: Remember those glasses that had little like light up eyes
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: on them? When I was the, that just reminded me,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: when I was the werewolf, I put those on before
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: I put the big rubber mask on and I had
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: glowing red werewolf eyes. I thought that was the coolest
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: idea ever. I think I just weirded out everyone in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to do that this year, actually. I got
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: one of those werewolf masks where you open the jaw
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: and the lips snarl back. But so far away from
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: your face, it's just like black holes. So I'm just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: going to put some lights in there because Allie and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: I are making our first horror movie for October. So
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: it's going to be one of the.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: That episode is called Don't Wear the Werewolf Shirt. Because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: we discussed that thing with, once again, it ties into costumes.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: If you go looking at werewolf costumes, commercially made werewolf costumes,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: 99% of the time they're wearing a red and black
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: checkered shirt.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's really weird.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: And it's like, why?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: And jeans.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Like it is.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: Let's just go back to, like, you know, are they
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: all lumberjacks? What's the deal? How did this start?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: They're all really big nerf guns.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: They're all grunge werewolves.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: The original werewolf was the brawny man. I don't know.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: If you knew that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: So I order one of those shirts off eBay, and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: I order my daughter not to put it on. Of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 6: course she does, and she turns into a werewolf.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: It's pretty awesome.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: That's awesome.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: It's like Teen Wolf.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: Preteen.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: Preteen Wolf. Tween Wolf.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Tween Wolf.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: You better trademark that right now.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 11: Oh, Tween Wolf.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: I think my best costume, I think I was seven.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: Dark Shadows was still on TV. And it was like 1970, 71.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: And I wanted to be Barnabas Collins. So my mom
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: took a conventional cape and cut it off at like
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: half length so it would be his length. And she
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: actually dyed my hair black and actually did the bangs
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: with like, you know, some dippity-doo or whatever it was called,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: you know. And I had makeup and fangs and stuff,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: and that was probably the most elaborate. And we made
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: a fake cane with the wolf head on it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Did anyone know who you were?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, Barnabas Collins was a big
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: cultural icon, so most of the kids knew who he was.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 12: Growing up as a kid, I mean, my last Halloween
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 12: that I dressed up was actually, I mean, when I trick-or-treated.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 12: I was Big Boy Caprice from Dick Tracy, and that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 12: was actually where I won a little costume contest for that.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 12: This is no surprise to me. Yeah, and the way of, like,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 12: as an adult at school, because it's sort of like,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 12: probably like I was saying earlier, the one from not
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 12: last year but the year before, which they haven't said
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 12: that that's why they don't do Halloween there anymore, but
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 12: I don't know. They didn't name the role after you.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 12: I kept having to top myself, and so this year
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 12: it was going to be on a Monday. And so
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 12: I set up everything prior to the weekend. I went
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 12: to like, um, the grocery store and, um, I like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: just got some meat and I just put it in
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 12: the sink in my back prep room. So that way
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: it would just sit out. And so when you would
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 12: come in on Monday, I mean, just like the smell
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 12: of something rotting was in the room. And, um, I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 12: took a ladder and unhooked, like you had the strip
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 12: fluorescent bulbs and there's like 12 of them in there.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 12: And I just slowly like tweaked each one to where
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 12: it was like a David Lynch sort of thing where
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 12: it was like this weird flicker.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 11: What do you teach at this school? More lies.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 12: Underneath, like, since you have all the gum underneath, like,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 12: the big tables that they sit at, I took the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: fake cobwebs and, like, connected it to the gum so
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: that way if you, like, were, like, kind of had
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 12: your hands idly underneath the table, like, it would brush
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: up against you. So I did all that stuff to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 12: make it kind of unnerving as it was.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: And then.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: I even set it up. I said, well, because, you know,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: I like to take off Halloween, I'm not going to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: even be there. And when students first came into the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 12: classroom at the beginning of the day, I was wearing
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 12: just like a suit, but with like lawn gloves, like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 12: you'd clean, you know, used for like cleaning up there,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 12: pulling weeds or something. And just like a burlap mask
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 12: that I just like stitched together.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 12: And I was just ignoring them, and I was just, like,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 12: stabbing at pumpkins.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: Just stabbing. Basically, I wasn't carving.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 12: I would just stab them enough until it made an
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 12: eye and stab it enough until it made another eye
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 12: and stab it until it made, like, a mouth. And
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: they would sit down, and I would ignore them for, like,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: five minutes because, you know, the first five minutes is
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 12: them all just, like, trying to figure out what you are.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: You can blame this on Halloween, but this is just Tuesday.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: And so I'm just like, I waited until they would
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: finally settle down. And when I noticed they'd finally like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 12: you know, quit guessing who I was and all this stuff,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 12: they were just kind of like waiting for like, okay,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: what's next? That's when suddenly I would like look up.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: Like I just noticed over here and I went over
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 12: and I like had a TV on a cart with
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 12: a VCR and a VHS. And so I just popped
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: in the VHS and it was me as normal saying, sorry,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: I'm not there on Halloween. And basically I conducted the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: whole class from the persona of me. So in case
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 12: the sub was there and then the whole time I'm
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 12: like sitting there, I still keep carving the pumpkins in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: the room itself. And they stopped paying attention to me
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: and start paying attention to me up there. And I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 12: actually guided them along reading a piece from the October country.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 12: I think I picked the wind, I think is what
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 12: I picked for it. And so like, they're actually reading
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 12: along with this Ray Bradbury piece. And like, at some
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 12: point in time, I actually would go up to like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 12: this podium in the front of the room and sit
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 12: on top of the podium and just stare at the pumpkin.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 12: I just made like, don't move, just sit there for
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 12: like 15 minutes, just staring intently at it. At which point,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 12: right about that time that's over, on the video, since
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 12: my brother has about the same build I do, on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 12: the video, he enters the room, wearing the outfit that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 12: I'm currently wearing in the room. And the me on
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 12: the movie is like, what's this? I'm kind of amused
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 12: by it, and it just comes over and it just
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: kills me. And then it props up my corpse, and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 12: it sits there and it starts carving a pumpkin to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: look like my corpse. And then it just notices the VHS,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: and then it kind of cuts off. And so then
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: it's just static on the TV, and I'm just sitting
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: there staring at them with the pumpkin.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why they don't do Halloween.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: Well, that wasn't the kicker, though, because the kicker was, like,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 12: some kids would just be like, they were really freaking out, like,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 12: tears streaming.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Down their face.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 12: Like, can you please take off the mask? And then
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: when I would take off the mask, I had, like,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: this hideous prosthetic, like, in my skin.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: And so that, like, pushed them off the mask.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Would you please put on the mask?
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 11: Did you do that for every period that you had?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 12: I basically treated it like a spook show every period
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: of time. But see, only about half of them wouldn't
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 12: even get to the point where I would take off
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 12: the mask. The next day the kids are like, how
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 12: come you took off the mask for their class and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 12: not for ours? What do you mean?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I wasn't here yesterday. We had the VHS where you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: were killed.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 12: What on earth are you talking about? And that's the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 12: thing that pisses them off is never admit it. Because
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 12: they want you to wink. They want the wink to
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 12: the audience, and if you never give it to them,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 12: it drives them crazy.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Horrifying them and tormenting them. I like that.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 12: But it's like they get a good scare.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 11: Maybe that's why they're dressing in sweats. They want the wink.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: That's just you, Ben.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: That is pretty spectacular, though. Points for the flickering lights
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: and the cobwebs.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 12: It's called tenure.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: I was going to.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: Say, having a classroom as your stage and a group
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: of people that has to come see you every day
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: gives you a significant advantage.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: They're legally bound to be there.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 12: Once the kids, some of them just screamed and ran out.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know where they went.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, do you have a hall pass?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: That's awesome.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Do we have any other elaborate costumes? Or at least
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: memorable ones?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: I grew up on base.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: My Halloween's were kind of boring. Cause like, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: everyone shot from the same spot. It was like, you know,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: so like a local, you know, PX, I mean, in
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: a sense, like God, until I was like nine, you know,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: I was always on base. So like essentially had all
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 9: these kids running around doing a Halloween thing, but it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: was like all the same 12 costumes. It was a
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: bunch of Superman's a bunch of like star Wars guys. Like,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: Girls had, like, maybe two Barbies to choose from. But
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: it was just, you know.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 11: Anybody dress as a soldier?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 9: You know, I don't think so, ironically. Well, I remember
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: as a kid asking my dad, you know, if I could, like,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 9: you know, wear, you know, camouflage clothing and stuff, just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: being a kid.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 12: What, did you want to dress as a Soviet? You know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 12: could y'all?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: I had a very strict dad that was like, you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: it's not legal. For a city to wear, you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: military uniform on the street.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: I'm like.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: It was probably, I mean, the fact that it was
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: on base, they probably adhered to that rule pretty strictly
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: because they were going to get caught for sure.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: No, it was very, it was kind of surreal in
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: a way. You know, like I said, you know, your
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: kid out trick or treating and it's just like the same. 12,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 9: visually to say 12, 16 outfits going on everywhere.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: And it's like, wow, I'm.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 11: One of 13 Superman. Was the candy standard army ration
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: came in like MRE wrappers?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, did they give you MREs?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Did you have to crack it open and.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: It heats up? Yay, more iodine pills. You know, I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: lived on a, and when you say that, it's kind
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: of surreal. I lived on a military base for a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: while and It was about the closest thing to the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: neighborhood in Edward Scissorhands that I've ever seen in real life.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: It's everything.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: Everyone trusted everybody. I mean, like, you know, you were
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: on base. Because everybody had a gun. So, yeah, that's true.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: They know where your dad works, you know, usually. But, yeah,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: it was, yeah, everything was the same. Everything was the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: same color. Every house was identical and curved to the street.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: It just was.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: It was perfect.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 7: Did all the banks say bank and the stores say store?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: The thing is, the closest thing to the idea of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: communism that you've ever seen is our military.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: That's what communism is, is that whole top-down directed, you
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: live here, you bank here, you do this here.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 11: It kind of sounds like a Smurfs village to me.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: Well, the Smurfs are communists.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, the blue is just a deception.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: They're reds in the boat, baby. But this was in Alaska,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: and all of these kids had never got off the base.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: They were like, have you gone out hiking? Have you
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: gone out fishing?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 16: No.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Rock climbing?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Never do anything. They might go to the movie on
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: the weekends, and it was staying on the base.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: Choice of two movies.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: That theater had two movies.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: It was just horrible.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 11: I mean, it was horrible.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: And so these kids would sign up for these rec
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: courses that we would take them out and do real
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: things outdoors. It was like– they're like, oh, there's a world.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: So– Two movies and one of them is a military
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: propaganda film.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: And how awesome the Marines are. But it really, it.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: Stayed for months. You know, I mean, it's like back then,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: it's like, you know, when the theater got new movies, that.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 12: Was like a holiday.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: Like the theater would be packed like that weekend because
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: it's like, oh my gosh, they got a new movie.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: We're going to go see, you know, even if it
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: was terrible, you know, it was like the new movie
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: at the theater.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: Something i'd love to see a kind of a study
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 7: of i'm sure someone's written a book about it but
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: like american military culture.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 9: It's a documentary called brats brats okay it is fantastic
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: like it was weird for me um because i didn't
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: realize these things had like molded my way of interacting
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: with people so much um and it was actually you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: know my mom actually kicked it down to me when
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: she sold a documentary and she's like you really have
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: to see this for a long time i left it
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: on the shelf i'm like whatever um And when I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: finally watched it, it was just bizarre to have these
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 9: people that were, like, analyzing children that had grown up
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: in these situations, like, you know, kind of, like, bullet
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 9: point these things about their personality.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: And it was me.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: Like, it was just me. And I was like, if
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: I'd seen this, like, 20 years ago, I would probably
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: be socially much more functional. Like, well, it's just, you know,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: and some stuff is silly.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not to place blame in one place or another.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: Sorry.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: When people ask you, like, where are you from? You know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: that was like this weird thing because, you know, if
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 9: you grew up on base, you're like, well, do you
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: want to know where I was born? Do you want
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: to know where I've lived the longest? Do you want
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 9: to know where I went to school?
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: It is always a story.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: You know, it's like you can't just answer questions like that. And,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's kind of a light thing in a documentary.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: But even just about the way that you interact with
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: people and stuff, children that grew up on base, you
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 9: are either way outgoing or you're way recluse. Like there
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 9: just really is like no middle.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Greg, do you live in the same neighborhood as
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: Missy and Jay, essentially?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: A couple neighborhoods over, but yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Not as many serial killers.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Not as many serial killers.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: That's what I was curious as to, like, your.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: In like a block. It's close.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: It's really close.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: I'm just curious if like having an, a legitimate serial
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: killer in the neighborhood has changed.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Like, well, you know, and the people in that area,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: the thing is, is right down the street from there, right.
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  Speaker 3: There was a house where there was like grisly murder.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was, it was a son and his
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: friend and, and killing his mother. And, um, and I
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  Speaker 3: know not far from there, there was another where it
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  Speaker 3: was a series of, um, Not murders, but horrible crimes
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  Speaker 3: and beatings. All within, you know, a quarter mile. And
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  Speaker 3: it was all the same neighborhood. Almost the same street.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just.
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  Speaker 5: Because it's not an unsafe neighborhood, really.
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  Speaker 3: No. And back, you know, when I was there, it
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, the perfect suburban neighborhood. And it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: had the darkest history of our town is right there. Well,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I find it.
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  Speaker 7: This might be superstitious to some people, but I find
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: it pretty easy to believe that some places just naturally
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  Speaker 7: have pretty bad juju for people. You know, it's like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: just some places it seems like a lot of negative
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  Speaker 7: activity just gravitates towards it, despite seeming normal or ordinary.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: I think we better wrap up this Halloween talk. We're
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: out of control. We've covered a lot of ground in
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: our Halloween talk, and yeah, I think... I don't know.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome. I like when we throw out these
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: general topics and you just kind.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 12: Of run with it.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting note.
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  Speaker 7: When I stepped out just now to use the bathroom,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: there's people using my desk in my office to publish scripts.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: I'm sure.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, right?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 7: And stage manager was there with his, I guess, his
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 7: niece or something. And my desk has all these skulls
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: on it. Right?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: She's just sitting there.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: That's normal.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 7: And she's just sitting there like being bored and whatnot.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 11: And I said, here.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Picked up the most realistic one.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: I said, here you go.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: I have a skull. It's real.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: And immediately she's like, cool. And then she flipped over
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: and she's like, hey, it has a price tag on it.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: And I just thought it was interesting, given the tenor
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: of our conversation, everything has gone. I was like, what
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: we said about Americans and our relationship to horror and everything.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Here's a real human skull. That's awesome. Wait, it's not real.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: That's a disappointment.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 11: Everyone knows human skulls are free, the real ones.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: My wife's father has it handed down. His grandfather was
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: a surgeon in the war and he had his kit
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: with military stuff and his medical bags and he actually
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: has a Not the jawbone, but everything else from the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: skull from a German soldier. And actually, I think it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: was an officer is the story. And they call him
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Herman the German. He sits on the mantle in the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: living room. And it's just kind of that accepted thing
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: that he's the skull.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 8: Of the house.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: I've got a real skull at home. And like I said,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: my daughter's fascinated by it. Is that legal?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 14: No.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: She's terrified of animatronic Halloween decorations. I'm like, this is
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: a real human skull. This is a dead guy. That's cool.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 10: Kids are just kind of morbid, really. They embrace that
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 10: stuff on a weird level. She's kind of the way
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: they are.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: But in fairness, and I think this kind of speaks
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: to some of the things we notice in horror movies,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: there's something uncanny about some animatronics. There's something really unrealistic
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: about certain... horror movie situations, but, you know, when you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: see these things in real life, you're like, oh, that's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: actually more mundane than I expected it to be. Like,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: I remember the first time I saw a set of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: human bones, I was not creeped out or weirded out
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: at all. But there are some skeletons, some animatronic skeletons
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: I've seen, and I'm just like, whoa, that really shouldn't
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 7: be moving.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 11: Well, bones are usually all cleaned up and freshly scrubbed.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 11: I think if you were to see them, you know, Well, I'm.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: Pretty sure if I dug up my backyard and saw
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: a half-rotted.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Corpse, I'd be pretty freaked out.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Nah, you'll be fine.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 11: Check the price tag on that.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: Maybe I'm ballsier than I think.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 9: The Bodies Humane exhibit that they did a couple months ago,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: that was kind of hit and miss. Some things I
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 9: look at and be like, I'm fine with this. This
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: is almost, in a way, aesthetically kind of pleasing. And
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: in others, I'm just like, oh, I can't really look
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: at this one. This one's just creepy.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hit and miss for me.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: It creeped me out.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: It's creepy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 9: The ones where it was, like, the thin slices that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 9: had the light underneath. Like, it created this, like... church
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: glass kind of look. It was aesthetically amazing. But I'm
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: just like, but that's guts and kidneys and stuff.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 11: But it's like. We are all a temple.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: Go to 21C sometime and see the exhibit of a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 7: guy who made an entire body basically out of paper
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 7: mache and yarn. And it's just a video of him, like,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 7: cutting into it. And it's all made of different materials. So, like,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: you hear him snapping the fake rib cage and tearing
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: apart the stomach. And then he pulls out all this
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: yarn from it. And it's, like, 100% anatomically accurate. And
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: it's all just, like, creepy paper mache and cardboard.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Plastic. All right.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: That's horrifying. You know what's even more horrifying?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins. Our next feature
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: is going to be Satan's Little Helper.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, in the next few weeks, prepare yourself.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: Go watch it now.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: Suckers.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 14: Anyway.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Satan's Little Helper will be our upcoming.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 12: Hey, it might be really good.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: What do you mean?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: You'll find out. Between now and then, you'll watch it,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about it.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 11: I look forward to this.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: Thank you for joining us on our Halloween journey, and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: we will return next week.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 10: I'll remember Halloween, dead cats hanging from poles, little dead
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: are out in droves.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 13: I'll remember Halloween. Ground leaves vertigo, where skeletal life is known.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: I'll remember Halloween, this day anything goes, burning bodies hanging
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: from poles.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 13: I'll remember Halloween.
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  Speaker 13: .
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  Speaker 12: .
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  Speaker 14: .
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  Speaker 9: .
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: .
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 13: Out of the way Out of the way Out of
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 13: the way.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 11: Have you heard his voice? Everything he says sounds professional
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: to me.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: It's the tie. I have a.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 12: Little bit of a crush on his voice.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: The tie does strange things to a man's voice. He's like, baby,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: let's listen to Bo's voice while we do it.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 11: In fact, Greg, would you mind leaning forward just a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 11: little bit more so you can block him?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 18: I'm looking for anything that's in this notebook that I
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 18: could read that would be a sequence.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 12: Oh, here we go. Important notes. Bills are taken care
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 12: of and advanced. Most are auto-draft.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: It's got gravitas.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: I will mow on.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 12: Thursday, so this does not need to be taken care
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 12: of in my absence.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 11: He doesn't really whistle when he talks.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 12: Trash doesn't need to go out.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: It went out this past Monday, and that should take
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: care of it in my absence.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, at this point, I think either William.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 12: If you.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 9: Visit with the cats, it should be.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: It would be appreciated.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 12: If interested, I just picked up the entire Adam West
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 12: Batman series.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: Did you hear the way he did the series?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 11: It kind of had some vibrato in there.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Is the Adam West Batman series?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 12: No, that's what they have to.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 11: Now ask for pledge money.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: At this point, Garrison Keillor is going to show up
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: and be like, hey, I want to sponsor you. I
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: like your style.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 11: I hope you haven't taken my stories too seriously.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 13: Talk hard!
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Woo-hoo-hoo!