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3-17-25 lets talk about with Shanette & Cornell · DA CREW Podcast

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please. The
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Speaker 1: show starts in ten mine eight seven, six, five, four
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Speaker 1: three two one.
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Speaker 2: Go Well, Hello, good evening, and thank you for joining
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Speaker 2: Colonel and I for another episode of Let's Talk About It. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: we'll be talking about bias in the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 2: I will be sharing a pre recording conversation that I
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Speaker 2: had with my husband Juan Johnson. This is my co
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Speaker 2: host calling me now. I'm going to be sharing a
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Speaker 2: pre recorded conversation that I had with one a couple
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Speaker 2: of months ago about his case as we as you guys.
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Speaker 2: Some of you guys are aware that I'm not able
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Speaker 2: to talk to the men in Denver because of because
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Speaker 2: of their policy over there. So we started off and
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Speaker 2: we talked to them for just a little while until
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Speaker 2: they shut it down. They was like, no, you guys
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Speaker 2: cannot talk. And they thought they was talking about safety
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Speaker 2: things that will jeopardize the safety of the prison, but
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Speaker 2: it wasn't. It was just pertaining to their case. So
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Speaker 2: while we in talks with the warden over there to
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Speaker 2: see if I can finally get them to come back
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Speaker 2: and finish sharing their their stories with us, their cases
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Speaker 2: with us, then I have to think of other ways
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Speaker 2: to try to get their stories out. So I don't
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Speaker 2: know what happened to my co host, but we're gonna
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Speaker 2: wait just a little more, give him a couple of
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Speaker 2: more minutes to call. You guys, know how calling from
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Speaker 2: inside of the prisons be, they will shut it down
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Speaker 2: in a minute. If they think that it's a third call,
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Speaker 2: parlam calling, or you know whatever, they just shut it down.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, let me just go on and just tell
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Speaker 2: you what I've been up to until Cornell called back.
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Speaker 2: So on April first, it would be April first, I
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Speaker 2: have written in Angela's fifth this well, this will be
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Speaker 2: my fifth anthology that I have written in with Angela,
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Speaker 2: and it's in honor of her fiftieth birthday, fifty years
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Speaker 2: on this earth. And that's a blessing because sometimes nowadays
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Speaker 2: our young people are not living past eighteen nineteen twenty,
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Speaker 2: some of them are not seeing their fifties, and that's
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Speaker 2: a blessing. So I would like for you guys, if
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Speaker 2: you can, when the book dropped on April first on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: go purchase her book. You can even either even purchase
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Speaker 2: it from one of the twenty authors. That's written in there.
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Speaker 2: I am one of them. So you can call me
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Speaker 2: if you would like to get a copy of the book.
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Speaker 2: I will let you know the price of it once
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Speaker 2: once I find out. I truly don't know what's going
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Speaker 2: on with with the system, with what's going on over there,
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Speaker 2: because usually Cornell would have called me back, but he
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Speaker 2: hadn't called me back, so I'm gonna just keep going on.
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Speaker 2: So I did that. That was the fifth book. I
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Speaker 2: am currently working on my book, How I Navigate How
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Speaker 2: and Coping with grief since the loss of my son. Well,
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say I didn't lose him, but I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna say he since he transitioned. For so I'm going
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Speaker 2: to share how I cope with how I got through
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Speaker 2: the grief. But I'm still I have my moments.
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Speaker 3: It ain't like.
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Speaker 2: I woke up and then I was just like, he'll no,
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Speaker 2: mm hmmm, no, I have I have my moments. And also,
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Speaker 2: so I'm working on that and that's I'm looking for
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Speaker 2: it to be released in June sometime. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: keep you guys updated. Uh what's going on with that,
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Speaker 2: with the process of that when it's the when the
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Speaker 2: book is going to be released and let me see
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Speaker 2: what's going on. Okay, So I got a message that
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Speaker 2: he's getting ready to call me back, so I'm just
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Speaker 2: waiting on that. Also, if you are in the Atlanta area,
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Speaker 2: let me get that out real quick because to make
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Speaker 2: sure I want to make sure I get all everybody
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Speaker 2: information out there. If you are in the Atlanta area
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Speaker 2: April fifth, I want you to go join Angela and Samario,
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Speaker 2: Samaria and Apostle Kimberly for a prayer breakfast from eight
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Speaker 2: to ten. Angela, we'll give us some more information throughout
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Speaker 2: the program. Hopefully I can get her to post it
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Speaker 2: so you guys can join them over there.
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Speaker 3: You have to put money into your prepaid account or
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Speaker 3: thank you for using You may start the conversation now.
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Speaker 2: Now I have my co host Cornell.
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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, how you doing tonight? And thank you for
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Speaker 3: having me. My name is Cornell Duma and thank you
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Speaker 3: for having me, ma'am.
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Speaker 2: You know what, man, you're gonna have another We gotta
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Speaker 2: have another conversation. Okay, you're gonna have me and you're
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Speaker 2: gonna have another conversation. Okay, let let's do this again.
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Speaker 2: This is my co host, Cornell stepping in.
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Speaker 3: Hey Cornell, Hello, ma'am. How you doing tonight, ma'am? And
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Speaker 3: I am the co host of Let's talk about the
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Speaker 3: show tonight, And thank you again Man for having man
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Speaker 3: for Jen and for me joining our show tonight. Thank
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Speaker 3: you very much.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, I don't know what happened with
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Speaker 2: the system, the hanging up, and but I was just
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Speaker 2: filling them in what our show is going to be
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Speaker 2: on tonight. We're going to listen to a pre recording
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Speaker 2: that me and Wan had talked about. So, as you
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Speaker 2: guys know, let me I love doing research. I don't
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Speaker 2: like coming on here and not doing my research because
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Speaker 2: I don't want nobody saying, oh no, that ain't true. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know it is true. So the United States criminal
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Speaker 2: justice system it is. I mean, it's crazy. It's it's
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Speaker 2: really biased. And when I was reading it, they were
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Speaker 2: saying that it's biased towards the black man and the
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Speaker 2: Hispanic man and the ones that really doesn't have no
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Speaker 2: more as does. They say poor people. That's what they
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Speaker 2: that's the way they classify it as poor people. They
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Speaker 2: do their sentence harsher than other ethnic groups. As we
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Speaker 2: also know that the the black man and the Hexpanic man.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm saying that right. Don't nobody get upset. Are
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Speaker 2: also do more time on wrongful conviction. They also get
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Speaker 2: over sentenced. Their sentence is disportion It's so much stuff
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Speaker 2: we can say about their sentencing, and we just Cornelle
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Speaker 2: and I just want to bring that to the forefront
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Speaker 2: because this is what we're about. We wanted, we wanted
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Speaker 2: everybody to know what's going on inside the justice system
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Speaker 2: and how they are treated. And you know, a lot
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Speaker 2: of people really don't care. But you need to start
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Speaker 2: caring because when it comes knocking on your door and
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Speaker 2: you don't have nobody to be a voice for someone,
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Speaker 2: or you can't you not pointed in, can't get nobody
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Speaker 2: to point you in the right direction. You need to
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Speaker 2: pay attention. This affects everyone everyone. It doesn't matter what
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Speaker 2: now nationality you you are. Every national every nationality have
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Speaker 2: someone in prison that has been over sentenced, are wrongfully
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Speaker 2: and convicted. But statistics shows that it's the number one
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Speaker 2: ethnic groups that's been wrongfully convicted at this time is
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Speaker 2: the African American men, and followed by the Hispanic menuh men,
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Speaker 2: as well as women. We're not gonna live about the
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Speaker 2: women's So, Cortnel, do you have anything to add before
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Speaker 2: we jump into this to this tape, like.
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Speaker 3: Speaking about the traditional and partiality of our system. Now, okay,
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Speaker 3: you know we know already that our system is broken
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Speaker 3: and it classifies the peobo and system the law part
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Speaker 3: of these how blacks are being convicted by all white jeuries,
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Speaker 3: how lawyers are being paid off money to help them
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Speaker 3: secure convictions on African Americans, and not just African Americans,
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Speaker 3: but any racial group within the United States, and that
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Speaker 3: our system has turned into a multi billion dollar enterprise
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Speaker 3: when it comes to you know, over Simpsons and makes
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Speaker 3: you know, individuals, and I come up, just a system
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Speaker 3: and this is a very serious thing because a lot
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Speaker 3: of people are being wrong with me and just will
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Speaker 3: portunately tell us the crimes that don't even match the senters. Man.
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Speaker 3: So you know, tonight, ma'am, I would like to hope
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Speaker 3: and pray that people get something from the show tonight, ma'am,
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Speaker 3: regarding the impartiality and and and justices within i Cooma
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Speaker 3: justice system. Man.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So, and I note, I'm going to start the
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Speaker 2: recording that I have prepared and hopefully you guys can
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Speaker 2: hear him, I have it up. But here we go.
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Speaker 4: By in your case.
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Speaker 5: Did applies this? I was found out guilty of murder,
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Speaker 5: and I said in prison for the exact same murder
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Speaker 5: that they found me. That gives you out.
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Speaker 4: So how can that be If you was not found
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Speaker 4: guilty of murders, how can they find you guilty of
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Speaker 4: felamy murder? Wouldn't that be.
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Speaker 3: Considered the double jeopardy.
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Speaker 5: I would be. I've been fighting filing mostly with the
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Speaker 5: courts all this time and they have, uh, they have
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Speaker 5: failed to answer the questions how can this be? Since
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Speaker 5: since since I was convicted in September to I was
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Speaker 5: than eleven, they have not answered that question since then.
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Speaker 5: And everything that they brought up was that it should
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Speaker 5: have been brought up in direct appeal. But I filed
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Speaker 5: in factive assistance of counsel, on the trial lawyer and
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Speaker 5: on the appeals lawyer, and they, the course the appeals
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Speaker 5: court say that they did their job. If they did
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Speaker 5: their job, that was their strategy. And so everything that
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Speaker 5: I've been bringing to them thus far has been shot
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Speaker 5: down due to the fact that they said that it
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Speaker 5: was brought up, it was took care of with the
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Speaker 5: which is why.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, just go back just us at it.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 4: I was reading an article about when you was picking
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Speaker 4: the jerk, when the jurors who can't seed it, do
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Speaker 4: you find that.
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Speaker 3: It was biased in that.
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Speaker 5: I believe that when the jury was being picked, they
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Speaker 5: had a rally outside the courthouse.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 5: The rally was about murdered victims or how to get
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Speaker 5: it was for commemorating murdered victims, and a lot of
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Speaker 5: the things that was spoken of was how to put
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Speaker 5: murders away life. There was a lot of motion about
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Speaker 5: the anger towards people, that people was upset. And I
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Speaker 5: just so happened to be I'm on trial for murder.
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Speaker 5: And over half of the Jerseys at that rally. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I god and say it actually just to dismiss the
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Speaker 5: Jimmy Poole, she wouldn't and he let her know that
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Speaker 5: my client was not going to get a fair trial.
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Speaker 5: And as you see, I did not get a fair trial.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna end it right there because I want
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Speaker 2: Cornell to its your I want Cornell say any I
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Speaker 2: wanted you have an input on that court.
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Speaker 4: Question.
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Speaker 3: If they did they from what he's basically saying, ma'am
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Speaker 3: is that he was he was he was given an
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Speaker 3: unfair shot from wordsake though. Okay, the judge in this
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Speaker 3: case was a bias judge, ma'am. Okay, he just identified
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Speaker 3: the fact that uh O'Riley was on the doorsteps of
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Speaker 3: the courthouse and that some of the general members in
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Speaker 3: his case were picked by possibility general members of the
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Speaker 3: panel to which they picked from. So thatfore that was
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Speaker 3: a violation right there, of constitutional violation because that's called
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Speaker 3: jury and partiality. That's the fact that jury should not
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Speaker 3: know about a case, nor should a jury participate like that.
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Speaker 3: So now I understand what the situation is now. The
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Speaker 3: jury was biased for him, and that because they heard
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Speaker 3: the riley, they are convicted him based upon the judicial
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Speaker 3: publicity in his case and not the fact that they
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Speaker 3: found no evidence could convict him. So that's why he's
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Speaker 3: saying he was already found not giving the real murder,
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Speaker 3: but he was still found guilty for the same case
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Speaker 3: under the less included offense and give them a disproportionate
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Speaker 3: sentence which is capital to life with our parole, which
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Speaker 3: is impossible. Why because sevening murder does not add up
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Speaker 3: to the possibility of life for our paroles. So he
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Speaker 3: raised the issue of ineffective pacificence of counsel on trial
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Speaker 3: lawyer and of pending lawyer on direct appeal. And the
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Speaker 3: Pendic Court is saying that the lawyers did their job.
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Speaker 3: So the issue was that the jury numbers in this
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Speaker 3: case was biased. Why because there's no jury charge for
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Speaker 3: aggravated robbery in this case. The issue of being separ robbery,
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Speaker 3: being rich does not elevate to the elements of sevenance Man.
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Speaker 3: That speculation, speculation is not sevenance Man right before? He
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Speaker 3: can't contiguity with no evidence at all by a judicial
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Speaker 3: to his audience who allowed the jury to continue deliberating
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Speaker 3: when they asked the question, can't we find that guilty
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Speaker 3: for capital? Further? Wow, because the word robbery was litten,
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Speaker 3: but the witness said that he did not rob them.
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Speaker 3: That eliminate That eliminates the issue of capital. Murther, matter
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Speaker 3: of fact, that eliminated the whole process of murder and
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Speaker 3: the issue that he called the death depict.
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Speaker 2: But you see, right, But you see, I was gonna
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Speaker 2: play some more, but I think I messed up the recording.
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna just go off because I have his
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Speaker 2: case right here in front of me. It's cases like
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Speaker 2: I was reading this other case and that actual the
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Speaker 2: person was just sentenced last year of three murders. We
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Speaker 2: talked about that in the recording as well. He was sentenced,
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Speaker 2: he played guilty for three murders and he was given
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Speaker 2: three life sentences. Well, he put in for what was
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Speaker 2: an evidentiary hearing because he wanted to say that the
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Speaker 2: jury he didn't get a fair trial because of the jury. Well,
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Speaker 2: also Wine put in for an evidentiary hearing for the
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Speaker 2: first thing, for the same thing. Wine was turned down.
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Speaker 2: They denied his, but the other person they accepted his.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So then okay, you know, and I go on.
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Speaker 2: And I keep reading, and I was like, okay, so
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Speaker 2: they read it. This guy they found the jury found
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Speaker 2: him guilty of killing three people. But in Wine's case,
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Speaker 2: they found Wine they acquitted Win a murder. So but
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Speaker 2: this guy had three three murders, and he also was
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Speaker 2: charged with an underlining predicat offense, which was robbery because
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Speaker 2: he was robbery robing medical dispensary and he killed three
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Speaker 2: people and they gave him three life sentences. Well, well,
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Speaker 2: why case he doesn't have an underlying predicated offense. So
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Speaker 2: when they acquitted him of the actual murder, that means
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Speaker 2: he was he should have walked out of the courthouse,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't just because he just because the judge
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Speaker 2: allowed she allowed the word robbery. Let's remember why was
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Speaker 2: on trial for murder. He was not on trial for
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Speaker 2: robbery as well, so he didn't have a chance to
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Speaker 2: against the robbery charge. And he was not convicted of robbery,
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Speaker 2: and he was not charged with robbery. I have all
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Speaker 2: his paperwork, all of it, and that's what makes me,
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Speaker 2: you know, want to go hard for fighting for wrongful convictions,
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Speaker 2: talking and speaking up being a voice for men's that
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Speaker 2: been wrongfully convicted after seeing wands and also mister legates case,
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Speaker 2: you know, so that makes that I'm real passionate about that.
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Speaker 2: So okay do you I mean, it's just mind boggling
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Speaker 2: to me that you have a person that commits three
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Speaker 2: murders with an underlying felony, which is robbery, and he
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Speaker 2: played guilty for it. He got a life sentence. One
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Speaker 2: he was acquitted of the murder. The witness said one
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Speaker 2: Johnson did not rob me.
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Speaker 3: He was he did not.
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Speaker 2: He was not convicted or given the right to defend
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Speaker 2: against the robbery charge, but the judge let it stand
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Speaker 2: because of the prosecution said robbery. So he when the
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Speaker 2: judge gave the jury instruction, he did not give them instruction,
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Speaker 2: for he gave them instruction for simple robbery, which is
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Speaker 2: the lowest robbery. Inside. Also in the instruction, it doesn't
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Speaker 2: give the victim's name. The robbery was supposed to have
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Speaker 2: been for the witness that was on the stand. Mind you,
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Speaker 2: the witness already said Won Johnson did not rob me.
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Speaker 2: But the jury came back because the judge, they sent
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Speaker 2: out a letter I have the paper saying that they
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Speaker 2: couldn't you know, they couldn't get no verdict. So the
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Speaker 2: judge said that if they did not come back with
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Speaker 2: a verdict that they would have to come back on
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Speaker 2: that Monday. So I guess you know, didn't nobody want
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Speaker 2: to come back on the monday. So hey, we finsed,
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Speaker 2: go in there, throw all the paperwork together and see
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Speaker 2: what we come up with. They came up with a
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Speaker 2: verdict of guilty of felony murder. But then you have
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Speaker 2: this person over here, mind you, three bodies, and he
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Speaker 2: has the underlying prediculd offense. He was giving life. He
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Speaker 2: went back to court. The judge overturned, overturned three murders
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Speaker 2: that someone played guilty to sent to and it's brief,
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Speaker 2: sentenced him to forty two years. Forty two years and
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Speaker 2: he got seven years credit. Seven years credit. That guy
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Speaker 2: is serving he I don't know if he still were
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Speaker 2: Wine is that? But he was there and the other
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Speaker 2: man's that was in there on felony murder. That just
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Speaker 2: like Wine seeing him and he's just sitting over there
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Speaker 2: smiling with his boots kicked up on the seat because
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Speaker 2: he has a date to come home. Now, why our
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Speaker 2: brothers don't have a date to come home. They're doing
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Speaker 2: life without the possibility. Can you or you want to
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Speaker 2: jump in down co hosts?
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Speaker 3: Yes, swam, yes, swim again. The sentence is disproportionate, how
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Speaker 3: because he cannot receive them capital to life with our parole,
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Speaker 3: because that's only the jury. Now now mind yourself. He
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Speaker 3: was found to get the fulfilling murder. The jury found
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Speaker 3: him not guilty for the capital elements. Man down for
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Speaker 3: the state had to wait the capital punishment elements off
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Speaker 3: the table. They could not go to trial with capital
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Speaker 3: puns and while because he was on trial for only murder.
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Speaker 3: There was no aggravated robbery in the case, so therefore
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Speaker 3: he cannot be gifted for capital to punishment under capital
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Speaker 3: to life with our parole. Therefore, his sentence is a
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Speaker 3: boid judgment. The boy judgment means that they can be
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Speaker 3: challenged at any time. Not only that, it's an abuse
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Speaker 3: of the discretion of the trial court judge because the
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Speaker 3: trial court judge he encouraged the jury to find one
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Speaker 3: guilty while because he told them misleading them that they
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Speaker 3: did not come back with a further that they would
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Speaker 3: have to come back that money. Mind yourself, they've already
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Speaker 3: ruled against against the murder, so now it came back
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Speaker 3: with suthering murder, which is a lesson included offense of
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Speaker 3: the murder, but it's a different element to be proven
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Speaker 3: and it cannot be proven under the capital elements. So
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Speaker 3: one raised and effected sistance of council on director video.
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Speaker 3: He did not raise the insubbitiencies of the evidence, nor
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Speaker 3: did he raised that the jury charge was distortioned and
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Speaker 3: no good. So with that being said, man I do
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Speaker 3: not know if he challenged anything on his collateral attack,
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Speaker 3: which means that he can come back and raise and
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Speaker 3: affect the assistance of his child council who failed to
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Speaker 3: argue abot testament. He just because he raised, he.
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Speaker 2: Let me jump. He did did that, He raised that
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Speaker 2: and ain't shouting down. He went the appellate court said
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Speaker 2: that they're gonna let it stand because his counsel the
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Speaker 2: and they should have brung it up.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, but that's on direct appeal. He has not
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Speaker 3: challenged the constitutional alex of his conviction. He has to
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Speaker 3: challenge that on collateral attack because the records are not
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Speaker 3: so to developed. On direct appeal, you have two phases.
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Speaker 3: You have direct appeal which is a right, and you
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Speaker 3: have totel attack, which is eleven O seven. So if
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Speaker 3: he raised an afa sister council on both of his
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Speaker 3: attorneys on direct appeal, now he can come back and
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Speaker 3: raise the constitutional issue of a boy judgment on his
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Speaker 3: collateral attack, which is his eleven o sept. That doesn't
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Speaker 3: bother him. He ain't even challenge the conviction yet. He
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Speaker 3: just challenge the direct appeal elements. And see now right now, Uh,
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Speaker 3: he can come back and challenge that.
31:05
Speaker 2: And he said he got all of I got the
31:07
Speaker 2: Court of Appills papers where they where they denied him.
31:12
Speaker 2: He said he did all the the hapist corporates. He
31:16
Speaker 2: said he he did all, he got up all, he
31:20
Speaker 2: did all of that, and then they tied. They they
31:24
Speaker 2: time boardy.
31:27
Speaker 3: Okay, So now here it is. I don't know if
31:30
Speaker 3: he boy judgment disproportionate of the simmers. He can always
31:36
Speaker 3: challenge that because he just identified the fact that he
31:39
Speaker 3: got counted a life with operot for an offense that
31:41
Speaker 3: don't can capital punishment. Therefore, that makes his convictions of
31:45
Speaker 3: boys judgment.
31:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm challenge that. And you know also then you
31:55
Speaker 2: know I I have been really advocated for him, and
32:02
Speaker 2: I have written the DA and the Attorney General. I
32:08
Speaker 2: have written all of them, and I gave them back
32:12
Speaker 2: their case law. I went through Denver case and I
32:16
Speaker 2: gave it back to him, and it says that you
32:21
Speaker 2: cannot convict a person of felony murder without an underlying
32:30
Speaker 2: predicate offense. That means robbery, kidnapping another. You have to
32:38
Speaker 2: have a felony to go with it to get felony murder.
32:42
Speaker 2: And you know what they told me, they need they
32:47
Speaker 2: need more, they need more evidence or they need more
32:54
Speaker 2: onto it.
32:57
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the jury said, we thought I'm not gidted
33:00
Speaker 3: for murder man, So there is the Jerry said they
33:03
Speaker 3: find him not gidsed for murderer. That eliminates the felony
33:07
Speaker 3: elements of the offense. Therefore, there can be no robbery
33:11
Speaker 3: attached to an offense that was dismissed by the Jenery.
33:14
Speaker 3: So now it there's no robbery elements or misdemeanor. Robbie
33:18
Speaker 3: cannot elevate any felony murder the capital model man. That's
33:22
Speaker 3: by law, that's a misdemeanor. It doesn't elevate to a felamy.
33:27
Speaker 3: Simple robick doesn't elevate to a Robbie Watt because there
33:30
Speaker 3: is no affirmative finer to the use of a daily
33:32
Speaker 3: weapon and a self for murder, I mean a simple
33:35
Speaker 3: robbery without an element of an accivated affirm of defining
33:39
Speaker 3: a daily weapon. That cannot be a felling the offense
33:42
Speaker 3: attached to fellermy murder to make him a capital murder
33:45
Speaker 3: of candidate. Therefore, this is why it's a boid judgment,
33:49
Speaker 3: because that's too much time for the offense, the Jerry
33:53
Speaker 3: Wade murder. So therefore that's a disproportionate sperience. So that
33:59
Speaker 3: for a tradition of rsuality on the court guard because
34:02
Speaker 3: they now saying that he cannot come back and challenge
34:05
Speaker 3: his conviction. But he can't. We could come back and
34:08
Speaker 3: challenge the boy chumen, which is a dispopuition a sentence
34:12
Speaker 3: because the offense charge go of the murder is dispocourse
34:16
Speaker 3: that the life life was at the topics of Jepper.
34:19
Speaker 5: You can't have that.
34:20
Speaker 3: They don't go together. Well, that's where he's at.
34:24
Speaker 2: And you know, I just don't understand how. You know,
34:27
Speaker 2: they always say, use the law, know the law, use
34:31
Speaker 2: the law. But when you give them back to them,
34:35
Speaker 2: if a person of color give them back their law,
34:41
Speaker 2: they oh no, well what is that? What is that
34:44
Speaker 2: when your lawyer should have brung it up, but you
34:48
Speaker 2: let somebody else give them the law, give them back
34:51
Speaker 2: they law. They gonna go in there and they gonna
34:54
Speaker 2: they're gonna make it right. They're gonna turn around and
34:57
Speaker 2: make it right. You know that is you know, our
35:01
Speaker 2: system is just so it's just so unfair. It's just unfair.
35:08
Speaker 3: Okay, Well you know what, ma'am. In a situation like that, maam,
35:12
Speaker 3: for an African American man come in the same position,
35:15
Speaker 3: A lot of us in the same position. You have
35:17
Speaker 3: to push everything off the table that you have challenge
35:19
Speaker 3: and come back and read finde o case. That's what
35:23
Speaker 3: you have to do, and take it right back to
35:25
Speaker 3: then on a collabal attack which is eleven O seven,
35:28
Speaker 3: and challenge and his case a boid judgment and that
35:32
Speaker 3: will give him an evidentiary area here. And why I
35:34
Speaker 3: because the sentence is dispropportionate to the offense and that
35:37
Speaker 3: will give him evident your hearing to determine the problem out.
35:41
Speaker 3: The capital of punishment is dispports it to the offense.
35:46
Speaker 3: So that's why I said, I don't know if he
35:47
Speaker 3: ever challenged that issue, because he can challenge it under
35:50
Speaker 3: an abusive disquestion of the judge and a famousism of council,
35:55
Speaker 3: or he can just challenge it by himself.
35:57
Speaker 5: A boid judgment.
35:58
Speaker 3: A disproportionmentate sentis man.
36:00
Speaker 2: And didn't you know, I don't know if challenged And
36:03
Speaker 2: you know I'm ask you man. I just made he
36:06
Speaker 2: probably did. I just messed up the whole little recording thing.
36:11
Speaker 2: I gotta figure out what I did to it.
36:13
Speaker 3: But you know.
36:15
Speaker 2: They they also Denver also had revised the feeling the
36:25
Speaker 2: murder law they said it was they made it unconstitutional now,
36:30
Speaker 2: but if you was sentenced prior before them revising it,
36:38
Speaker 2: it doesn't make it doesn't do you no good because
36:40
Speaker 2: it's not recto active for the ones that was sentenced
36:44
Speaker 2: prior to twenty seventeen. After twenty seventeen, you're able to
36:52
Speaker 2: what is it. It's second degree murder, it's not feel
36:56
Speaker 2: any murder. Is no longer first degree now it's set
37:00
Speaker 2: degree murdered. Okay, and I think the time is forty years.
37:06
Speaker 2: I think they have to serve for forty years on that.
37:10
Speaker 3: Okay. So with that, band said, this is a new law, okay,
37:14
Speaker 3: that's not retroactive now even though they's taking its a
37:18
Speaker 3: change it from first degree eleanent to first second degree Felay,
37:21
Speaker 3: you don't have to use the retroactivity of the law.
37:25
Speaker 3: Or we have to do is use the language of
37:27
Speaker 3: the law and show how at the time of his
37:29
Speaker 3: conviction that the language of the law elevated this offense
37:33
Speaker 3: to a capital element offense, which means that that's not
37:36
Speaker 3: that's unconstitution that's like a doubleheaded sword. Man, if you
37:40
Speaker 3: can give you this way, you.
37:41
Speaker 2: Can get it his way, right, because he I know
37:45
Speaker 2: he he challenged he did double Jeffardy double jeopardy, and
37:52
Speaker 2: they shot that down as well. I just wish that,
37:55
Speaker 2: you know that you was able to talk to him
37:58
Speaker 2: as like we do them. I'm able to talk to
38:01
Speaker 2: the men's from Texas, so they can so you can
38:05
Speaker 2: actually hear what they you know, what they're dealing with
38:09
Speaker 2: over there.
38:11
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, yes, maam. Well I just heard him while
38:14
Speaker 3: ago when he said that, you know, of course, a
38:16
Speaker 3: loud for the cheers, who's sitting on the doorsteps of
38:19
Speaker 3: these just sitting this trial. That's that's a cheery, a
38:25
Speaker 3: postulity man, that's Jerry. What's that publicity the trial? So
38:31
Speaker 3: that's a violation the DA.
38:32
Speaker 2: Put that on. So I heard that you have one
38:35
Speaker 2: minute to I guess you and mister Holliday. Is mister
38:42
Speaker 2: Holliday still around, Yes, ma'am, we're right here. Okay, tell
38:47
Speaker 2: me I'm waiting to hear from me.
38:52
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38:55
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38:59
Speaker 2: Yes, you gonna You're gonna call me and he gonna
39:04
Speaker 2: call me on the other one. Yes, right now, Okay,
39:08
Speaker 2: I'm waiting I'll be here talking.
39:11
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39:13
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39:19
Speaker 2: wait for my co host to call back. And mister Holiday,
39:25
Speaker 2: he's he's new. I just met him, probably a month ago.
39:35
Speaker 2: He's in Texas. I think he got sixty years for
39:42
Speaker 2: receiving stolen goods. Yep, sixty years for receiving stolen goods.
39:51
Speaker 2: So when he come. When they called back, we're gonna
39:54
Speaker 2: talk to Mster Holiday. But let me finish promoting the
40:03
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41:04
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41:07
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41:14
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41:18
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43:14
Speaker 2: where's uh? He don't he don't he don't backed out
43:19
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43:21
Speaker 3: You know, ma'am. He was calling in set an answer machine.
43:24
Speaker 3: So I'm going to give him this phone right here.
43:26
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you this number right.
43:33
Speaker 2: Hello, Hey, mister Holiday, are you doing this all right?
43:41
Speaker 2: You said where you calling the right number?
43:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll call it right now.
43:47
Speaker 2: Well you see, Okay, go ahead, tell us a little
43:53
Speaker 2: about you.
43:55
Speaker 3: Okay. First of all, I'll never tell you what Joe Holiday.
43:58
Speaker 3: I'm wanting to corss rated at the time. You know,
44:00
Speaker 3: take it the media into state jail unit.
44:06
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. That's all you want to you want
44:15
Speaker 2: to tell us.
44:17
Speaker 3: Okay. Now I want to talk about my case, about
44:20
Speaker 3: this Brooke apputation I was seeing at two thousand and thirteen.
44:27
Speaker 3: I've been falsely convicted I think, I mean falsely I
44:36
Speaker 3: think Foster convicted of a broken apputation charge. So what
44:40
Speaker 3: I did. I went to Jewish tribe and I ended
44:44
Speaker 3: up getting found gifted and I got sixty year, of
44:47
Speaker 3: which I felt like it was the higher punish me phase.
44:50
Speaker 3: I mean a high choice because State of Texas well
44:53
Speaker 3: did pool the broken broken apputation chore, but they pooled
44:57
Speaker 3: the electric cooler offense. Was me going to lawn shot
45:00
Speaker 3: for the store of Brooks and Dyce. But the reason
45:05
Speaker 3: why they gave me that high choice because I've been
45:07
Speaker 3: sitting to the point of times I been down, So
45:09
Speaker 3: they used my priors against me. But during the sense
45:12
Speaker 3: of during the gist and the instant phase of my trial,
45:15
Speaker 3: they had the witness come up with Jewish stand and
45:17
Speaker 3: this is the my name of Kama Gumber. This is
45:20
Speaker 3: the same witness that said that he picked me. The
45:22
Speaker 3: foes spread the thing that the Berkeley Susta had had it,
45:27
Speaker 3: but when the day of Brooklyn had happened and stuff
45:28
Speaker 3: had got puned. So what's to say they're trying to
45:31
Speaker 3: say that I punted? So who's to say anybody could
45:34
Speaker 3: have gone that? They couldn't never proved that. I asked
45:36
Speaker 3: when they signed the house and did no, di's a berkey?
45:39
Speaker 3: What the same dude, the Godma Grumman that got on
45:41
Speaker 3: the witness saying that trial, he was the same dude,
45:45
Speaker 3: they picking a froze spread so during the crossing hisamy
45:47
Speaker 3: a lot of crosses his arm and asked him saw
45:49
Speaker 3: the question and she asked them again. She had to
45:52
Speaker 3: be questions of trife, but that you showed the client
45:55
Speaker 3: today that you've seen further than my out. Was that
45:57
Speaker 3: my client that you've seen the day that this burke
46:00
Speaker 3: had happened. He said he couldn't remember. He wasn't vote,
46:04
Speaker 3: So she told him to ask you one more time.
46:07
Speaker 3: Was this the client that you've seen today of the
46:09
Speaker 3: Berkelen advtation? He said, I don't think it was him.
46:11
Speaker 3: I can't remember because it's been a long time. At
46:14
Speaker 3: that point right there mission that I feel like I
46:16
Speaker 3: should have found I should have I should have had
46:18
Speaker 3: a licht file or I should have got found not
46:20
Speaker 3: guilty of the Berkelen apputation toil. They should have found
46:24
Speaker 3: the gills of the lex cooler office which was stolen
46:27
Speaker 3: the Mercy Dyke because I answered, come on some of
46:29
Speaker 3: my name that I bought off the street that was stolen.
46:33
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question for you real quick. What
46:36
Speaker 2: is the sentence seem for someone in Texas that received
46:42
Speaker 2: stolen goods?
46:45
Speaker 3: This depends on how much of Mercy Dyke couts. And
46:48
Speaker 3: at that time it must have been a clent at
46:49
Speaker 3: the jail when she claimed the emotions for the listeners
46:52
Speaker 3: to be for the for for that toy, it was
46:55
Speaker 3: gonna be a class the miss the meaner, which is
46:58
Speaker 3: which is which is? Which is count of jail time?
47:01
Speaker 2: So you would would you say, probably like a couple
47:04
Speaker 2: of months, like six months and so, but they gave
47:12
Speaker 2: you sixty years.
47:14
Speaker 3: For year for brook habitation, and that's because.
47:21
Speaker 2: They enhanced it by using priors.
47:27
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. And the prize that they had used against
47:29
Speaker 3: me was twenty some years old, so my law. You
47:33
Speaker 3: never challenged it.
47:36
Speaker 2: And you know, I had looked up if they can
47:42
Speaker 2: go back. They can only go back ten years. I
47:46
Speaker 2: believe that's what they said. And in State of Texas
47:48
Speaker 2: they said they can only go back ten years. And
47:51
Speaker 2: you're you said that the last time that you was
47:55
Speaker 2: ever came in contact with the law was twenty years,
48:00
Speaker 2: so they years ago. They really went back in from
48:06
Speaker 2: six months and they gave you sixty years.
48:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I want to trial now, so doing that
48:16
Speaker 3: court so doing so during that course of the time,
48:21
Speaker 3: I ended up going back to course of the day. Stay.
48:24
Speaker 3: So now I'm waiting on this, I'm waiting on the
48:26
Speaker 3: chive to come back with a verdict. So during that time,
48:30
Speaker 3: of course, I think my young and daddy was talking
48:32
Speaker 3: about the MP love, which was a lower parties something
48:35
Speaker 3: that should never be brown up because if you bring
48:38
Speaker 3: up to my port, that mean it was somebody else.
48:40
Speaker 3: That's ball. And I'm the only one that got computed
48:42
Speaker 3: of the crown. I'm the only one they kind of
48:46
Speaker 3: convicted of this ground. So how how how you gonna
48:50
Speaker 3: bring up the little kids lovel That's what I was
48:52
Speaker 3: trying to figure out. And then at at the at
48:56
Speaker 3: the h the Jewish pun all by in Juli, Hm,
49:00
Speaker 3: I don't want no coul on my feels at all.
49:02
Speaker 2: So you didn't have no, no, no peers, no one
49:08
Speaker 2: of these kids at.
49:08
Speaker 3: All at all. I had I had, I had, I had,
49:14
Speaker 3: I had, I had five black lady was always the fool.
49:18
Speaker 3: One of them got on and stood up to say
49:20
Speaker 3: that you came to a holiday because they have something.
49:23
Speaker 3: Anybody came to this last namebody, last name a holiday.
49:26
Speaker 3: The one man that got up, she said, I am
49:28
Speaker 3: I'm kid for the holidays. So they struck her. After that,
49:33
Speaker 3: they spruck everybody any They were black on Jules, so
49:35
Speaker 3: they ain't give me anything. Else was everything it was
49:38
Speaker 3: without my pills. So do you do you.
49:43
Speaker 2: Do you think that it was biased in your case,
49:47
Speaker 2: like if it was someone that of another ethnic group,
49:50
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't have got sixty years for receiving stolen
49:56
Speaker 2: stolen merchandise.
49:59
Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, that's not because I think they oversentised me.
50:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that that is all six and six months.
50:08
Speaker 2: How you get sixty years from six.
50:10
Speaker 3: Months because the brother habitation don't actually carb on curiod.
50:16
Speaker 3: No sixty years, no way, it was two or ten.
50:18
Speaker 3: But they used I end up going trying to fight.
50:20
Speaker 3: They used my hanstrance and they convicted me on my
50:23
Speaker 3: prize because they wasn't no baby. They were leading me
50:27
Speaker 3: until the brother of inhabitation. They feel I me because
50:29
Speaker 3: I wasn't ping something. They came at the house. So
50:34
Speaker 3: actually I should have been found not guilty of the
50:37
Speaker 3: brother in invitation for the guilty of the left. Included
50:40
Speaker 3: offense was stolen merchandise.
50:44
Speaker 2: So you know, also I want to say this, I
50:49
Speaker 2: didn't I thought that they couldn't use lineups anymore.
50:58
Speaker 3: You know that I wouldn't that well that I wouldn't
51:01
Speaker 3: know because I feel like when the dude picked me
51:04
Speaker 3: to fullest spirit, I was out riddy, like up of
51:06
Speaker 3: course on another tour, and I feel like they should
51:09
Speaker 3: have did a lived line up while I was in
51:11
Speaker 3: the County Uil because we were saved. You that the
51:13
Speaker 3: out or the detective temple with the fuller Spridge I
51:16
Speaker 3: wouldn't have, or my lawyer in prison, so they could
51:20
Speaker 3: have been going around and showing my pistols over Brooklyns.
51:24
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I don't know if the
51:25
Speaker 3: coaches I wouldn't picked me the fullest spriad or not
51:29
Speaker 3: my law you feel to challenge that do a trial?
51:33
Speaker 2: And you know that's a lot of people that I
51:37
Speaker 2: talked that I talked to said that they didn't have
51:41
Speaker 2: their representation with their lawyers. Wasn't wasn't anything that they
51:49
Speaker 2: they really didn't fight for them. Did you have a
51:52
Speaker 2: paid lawyer or did you have a public defender?
51:56
Speaker 3: I paid lawyer.
52:00
Speaker 2: And he didn't raise that.
52:03
Speaker 3: A man, Yeah, she didn't raise that.
52:10
Speaker 2: Wow, So what what what is? What do you what's
52:15
Speaker 2: what do you doing now to fight your case?
52:22
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna write something else up that I would
52:25
Speaker 3: leave out to the ap pill. And then on the
52:27
Speaker 3: in from phase trial, it was an officer gotta under
52:32
Speaker 3: stand and started talking about the steaming off which that
52:37
Speaker 3: influence in the jury mine. You know what I'm saying,
52:39
Speaker 3: that's making them think that everything else that I that
52:42
Speaker 3: that that the state was trying to pool that that
52:44
Speaker 3: that that like I done it. But at the same
52:47
Speaker 3: time this also that got a weirder stand she made
52:50
Speaker 3: out of course statement from another person that's saying that
52:53
Speaker 3: I supposed to had she supposed to have seen me
52:56
Speaker 3: at a Berkeley. But it's the same lady that saying
52:59
Speaker 3: herself she was enough they trial to get closed his
53:01
Speaker 3: in So I feel like they u they VI they
53:04
Speaker 3: my cons right because I got a right to cross
53:06
Speaker 3: in them all of my Philip de Fie. She was
53:09
Speaker 3: never on the witness then, And that's saying the case
53:11
Speaker 3: that they that they brought up in the in the
53:14
Speaker 3: sentenceen phase, they dismissed the Charles, So why don't you
53:18
Speaker 3: allowed to bring something up in front Jill and the
53:20
Speaker 3: citizen phase And he took back around and dismissed the
53:23
Speaker 3: Chys and then the ladies that saying that he's seen me,
53:26
Speaker 3: y'all will be done out of course statement that's allow, y'all,
53:29
Speaker 3: can't I seem not here to get closings in it,
53:31
Speaker 3: So she wasn't seeming up report. So I feel like
53:34
Speaker 3: there was a vile labor across Houston rights see him
53:36
Speaker 3: right there, and they end up they gilted the jiven
53:39
Speaker 3: the d A as five end of the citizen, and
53:42
Speaker 3: they gave me sixty years but broke the advocation.
53:47
Speaker 5: M M.
53:47
Speaker 3: I got found guilted, and I feel like that at
53:51
Speaker 3: that time my lage should have asked for a new trial,
53:53
Speaker 3: and she feels to do that. So I feel like
53:55
Speaker 3: she would in affect them, not only in the guilt
53:57
Speaker 3: and INFI play the trial. But the funds went Fay, Well,
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't mean to cut you off, but we we
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Speaker 2: have eight minutes to go, and I'm gonna have to
54:12
Speaker 2: have you come back so we can finish this conversation
54:16
Speaker 2: and call me tomorrow at one o'clock. Yes, ma'am, okay,
54:24
Speaker 2: and yeah, so we got eight minutes and I want
54:29
Speaker 2: Cornell to jump in right quick before we have to
54:33
Speaker 2: end our show. But we're gonna have to have you
54:36
Speaker 2: back so we can finish our conversation.
54:40
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thank you, thank you, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Cornell, we got seven minutes, so I wanted
54:55
Speaker 2: you to I don't know if you heard mister Holliday
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Speaker 2: what he said are if you know his case, I
55:01
Speaker 2: want you to go ahead and respond to it.
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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, he was charged with a burglar of a habitation, Okay,
55:12
Speaker 3: but he only got caught with coining some stolen goods.
55:16
Speaker 3: So the state indicted him by using an enhancement in
55:20
Speaker 3: order to elevate his case to a high degree offense,
55:24
Speaker 3: which means that instead of giving him unless to included
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Speaker 3: the offense punishment, they gave him first degree sixty years
55:30
Speaker 3: for the offensive burglar of a habitation as opposed to
55:35
Speaker 3: possession of a stolen goods by them. So with that,
55:38
Speaker 3: man says man, now here it is the sentence too,
55:41
Speaker 3: is disproportioned to the offense charged of the offense that
55:45
Speaker 3: should have been charged. So now he was given an
55:49
Speaker 3: effective assistance of counsel. Wow, because the fact that his
55:52
Speaker 3: attorney failed to challenge the jury charge and showed that
55:59
Speaker 3: there was answerficient not to time him guilty for the
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Speaker 3: offensive a blob of a habitation. So that's where he's
56:05
Speaker 3: at right now with his heads. He's trying to find
56:07
Speaker 3: out how did he get so much time for an
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Speaker 3: offense that they didn't prove beyond the reason looking.
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Speaker 2: Out Well, we all know that that's just that's just crazy.
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Speaker 2: And when I did my research, they only supposed to
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Speaker 2: go back ten years for the to been able to
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Speaker 2: use the enhancements, and mister Holliday said that his was
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Speaker 2: twenty years. I heard a lot of that is going
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Speaker 2: on as well.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I talked to mister Kemp out of Denver, and as
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Speaker 2: we know, he was only what they charged him for
56:52
Speaker 2: only carried six years prison sentence. But the judge called,
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Speaker 2: I guess he threw out the jury verdict and he
57:04
Speaker 2: sentenced him even though he had a jury trial, and
57:09
Speaker 2: mister Kemp was sentenced to life without the possibility of
57:14
Speaker 2: no life with the possibility of parole, plus one hundred
57:19
Speaker 2: and ninety three years on top of that life sentence
57:24
Speaker 2: for a crime that only carries six years. So we
57:30
Speaker 2: see a lot of that happening. And yes, there's a
57:36
Speaker 2: lot of bias in the criminal justice system towards our
57:41
Speaker 2: African American men and our brown brothers. But how can
57:49
Speaker 2: we change this? What can we do? That's what can
57:53
Speaker 2: we do to change it? How can this be reformed?
57:58
Speaker 2: How can they write? Is what they How can they?
58:04
Speaker 2: How can it be be did? How can it be reformed?
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Speaker 2: Can you tell me that in like four minutes? All right? Well,
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Speaker 2: two minutes, because then we got to.
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Speaker 3: Go yes, okay. In a lot of cases like the
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Speaker 3: Texas law parties, enhancement allegations, the jury process, the black
58:24
Speaker 3: men convicted by all white jewelryes, and issues with traditional
58:28
Speaker 3: and parsonality of you know, being over sentenced and over
58:32
Speaker 3: the incurs rated. These issues are already on the press,
58:35
Speaker 3: on the habits, I mean, on the on the constitutional ballots.
58:39
Speaker 3: Is just the fact that these court officially delegate discaternity,
58:42
Speaker 3: these lawyers are not actually complying with the rule of law.
58:47
Speaker 3: So now it's just like this has to be challenged
58:50
Speaker 3: through advocacy. In order to bring these issues back to
58:54
Speaker 3: the floor of the textis law makers to have them
58:57
Speaker 3: to impact laws that make sure that these judicial court judges,
59:01
Speaker 3: these lawyers and district attorneys enforce the law, the rule
59:05
Speaker 3: of law. Because it's dispropportionate. Not only the dispropportion, it's
59:10
Speaker 3: jud and partiality because too many people are being wrongfully
59:15
Speaker 3: and overly convicted by judicial and partiality of jerimbers, of judges,
59:21
Speaker 3: of district attorneys, of attorneys being paid you know what
59:24
Speaker 3: I'm saying, to help the court get convictions as opposed
59:27
Speaker 3: to representing them and their best interests. Man. So, yes, man,
59:31
Speaker 3: what we have to challenge our constitutionality by following petition
59:35
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court to have the Supreme Court to
59:38
Speaker 3: come down and acknowledge the fact that a lot of
59:41
Speaker 3: constitutions right to be violated by the law courts. And
59:45
Speaker 3: that's what we have to do. We have to advocate
59:48
Speaker 3: for what we call nothing but the truth. We have
59:52
Speaker 3: to advocate for nothing but justice, but then our criminal
59:56
Speaker 3: justice system.
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Speaker 5: Man, That's what we have to do.
1:00:01
Speaker 3: And actually all of those who have been wrongly and
1:00:03
Speaker 3: overly convicted to be given the clowns right. So, and
1:00:08
Speaker 3: that's what we have to do.
1:00:09
Speaker 5: Now.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: On that note, we got two minutes left. You know what, Cornell,
1:00:19
Speaker 2: go ahead and close us out, because I know I'm
1:00:23
Speaker 2: gonna use my voice to speak up against injustice. And
1:00:28
Speaker 2: i'ma also drink my water. And I'm also stay in
1:00:34
Speaker 2: my lane. And but most of all, I'm gonna I'm
1:00:41
Speaker 2: gonna use my voice. This is wrong what theyre doing.
1:00:47
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Cornell, go ahead.
1:00:49
Speaker 3: And this okay. Well, first of all, I want to
1:00:51
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Speaker 3: us this opportunity to have our bosses heard tonight the
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Speaker 3: show with nothing but condition and Puss reality which leads
1:01:01
Speaker 3: to walk with conviction and over sentencing of individual African
1:01:06
Speaker 3: Americans and our brown brothers within our from the justice system. So,
1:01:09
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1:01:12
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1:01:14
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1:01:19
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1:01:21
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1:01:23
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. Thank thank God, Thank you guys
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