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Come for the sports, stay for the dead dad stories · The Regulars

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  Welcome, welcome, welcome. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. It is
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  a Monday evening and you are in the right place. I'm Cody Decker.
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  I'm Tanya Ray Fox.
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  And this is The Regulars.
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  I just realized I still have an AirPod in, so we're taking that out.
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  That's weird. That's a weird move on your part. God, you are so disheveled and out of
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  it today, which is just a fact. We both actually are. It's overcast here in Los Angeles, California.
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  It was a weird kind of day and after kind of a weird weekend. And listen, I'm drinking
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  wine now because I feel better about it.
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  We kicked the weekend off well. We had a we had a meal after the show on Friday. Everything
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  was going well for I don't know what happened to the both of us over the weekend. We arrived
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  at Monday not.
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  Dude.
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  Not well.
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  Dude, what a what a weekend it was. But yeah, you ain't lying. We kind of on the struggle
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  bus today. But listen, we got a lot to cover today. We have things that are really fun
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  to cover today. We have, which is actually somewhat rare on this show.
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  Yeah, it actually is somewhat rare. I think we like might not be talking about like any
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  horrible politics. Well, we will not have topics that are centered around that. We will
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  probably we will definitely be throwing barbs multiple times because, you know, Stephen
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  Miller does suck and he sadly does exist and sadly is your former high school classmate.
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  Yes, he is. Yes, he is. And I very, very I often apologize to everyone I possibly can
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  that I did not beat the liver living hell out of it. Here's the truth about Stephen
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  Miller. We just all thought he was going to like be a crazy person in a sanitarium by
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  the time which is what everyone says about everybody in that, like all of those people
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  who are in the administration, everybody that went to high school with them or knew them
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  when they were younger or went to college with them, they their same thing is always
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  like we just thought he was just like kind of a loser.
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  No one took serious. None of us took him seriously. He tried to make himself out of some political
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  figure in high school and we just maddeningly made fun of him incessantly. He tried to run
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  for class president, not sorry, class treasurer. He had to be removed from the stage. We all
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  booed the living hell out of him because his speech was shocking, racist. And yeah, I hate
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  Stephen Miller. I hate him more now than I did before. I hate that he now shaves his
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  head because daddy looks good with a bald head and he looks like Nosferatu.
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  It's genuinely actually, I, now that I realize you guys are exactly the same age. So, and
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  that is the side by side shot of the two of you is he quite literally looks 15 years.
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  I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know why Nosferatu Goebbels has been aging the
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  way he is, but I have some ideas. I have some evil ages you. Yeah. Well, you know, it's
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  so funny because every time I post something on my Instagram where I'm like going to bat
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  for a single marginalized person, cause God forbid, you know, like for a lot of people
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  seeing a white blonde woman go to bat for anybody. Yeah. It's really surprising. And
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  so like a lot of my comments will be like, damn, like that's, you know, and, and people
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  are really grateful, which obviously I feel great about, but also it's a little depressing
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  that people are so shocked to even see somebody that looks like me, like stand up for anybody.
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  But a lot of times they're like, I can tell when people aren't horrible racists cause
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  their skin has a little glow to it. You know, they're like, this is why you look pretty
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  good girl. And I'm like, thank you. Thank you so much. It's me. It's that. And Andrea
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  Fox is a jeans. Well, yes. Mama Fox is just, it's just a baller. I mean, I would give credit
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  to Pete, Pete Fox, but he's been dead for a minute. So I don't know how he would have
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  aged. He still looked pretty good at four. I'll admit Jay Decker was not looking his
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  best towards the later years. I'll freely admit that. But then again, he never, in my
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  opinion ever looked at my dad. My dad was kind of hot. I'll see my dad. Mine wasn't.
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  That's when I see and look in the mirror. I, all I see is Jay Decker staring back at
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  me. Oh, it's brutal. I'm a big Terry guy. Terry, Terry, my mother is an attractive lady.
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  My father was, I don't know what she saw in that guy. You got Terry, you got, you're,
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  you're all Terry, my guy. It's nice of you. And I'm going to show you a photo of Jay.
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  You're like, yeah, nevermind. I think I saw him on your Instagram on your, cause you had
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  a threads post from, um, like I think, cause I haven't posted enough on the top of it.
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  No, that was my first time seeing your dad. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't, he wasn't
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  a looker. What are you going to do? Not all of us can be lookers. Anyways, we got lots
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  to cover. Not all of us can have a WNBA teams either. Oh no, no, no. And that is a phenomenal
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  and I do mean this phenomenal transition to our first headline, Tanya. Okay. Um, the WNBA
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  relocation of the Connecticut suns is a controversial at best. That's it's just not being received.
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  Well, for a lot of reasons, uh, we talked about it slightly just when the news broke
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  on, um, I believe it was on Friday, but since then it's kind of, you know, it's a big conversation
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  on basketball and I didn't realize, I didn't realize it was, I get moving out of Connecticut,
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  which I do feel bad for the fans of Connecticut during this time because the WNBA is absolutely
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  booming.
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  So to remove a team from a city literally as the boom is taking place does suck. When
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  I heard the news, I will freely admit Houston made a lot of sense to me. Right? I think
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  probably because you're lacking the context of what's been going on. I'll give you, I'll,
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  I'll fill everybody in just quickly on kind of what some of the things that have thrown
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  people for a loop. So this was being talked about last year. So this has been ongoing.
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  The WNBA reportedly blocked two higher offers of $325 million from investment groups that
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  intended to keep the team in the Northeast. Um, there was the Boston bid led by a Celtics
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  minority owner, Steve Pelluca, who proposed moving the team to Boston and included a hundred
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  million dollar investment in new practice facility, which is something that has been
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  a critique of the current Connecticut sun. Yes. Um, and then there was a Hartford bid
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  from the former Milwaukee bucks owner, Mark Lassery, who sought to move the franchise
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  to Hartford, Connecticut.
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  I mean, that makes more sense. The fact that they would keeping him in Connecticut and
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  going to Hartford. Hartford does have like a brand new double a stadium. That's really
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  beautiful and they've lost the whalers. Like, you know, just like getting a new team there
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  would be great, but I mean, keeping them in Connecticut. Okay. Connecticut is a very small
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  state moving from where they are at Hartford. Not that big of a deal. By the way, uh, you
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  bring up the whalers most elite logo, in my opinion, maybe sports. Yeah. Iconic. Can't
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  believe it's like whenever I see Hartford whalers like gear, I genuinely wonder why
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  someone hasn't picked that up. I couldn't, couldn't agree more of all. And I mean, in
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  every sport, not just basketball, hockey, it's just every sport. It's one of the greatest
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  sports. Yeah. Or all, all sports. Um, so here's the deal. You think like, okay, the, the sun
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  have played a couple of games at the Boston garden. Boston's ravenous for a team. Um,
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  the, the games at the garden have been insane. I think it was, it's it, they played at least
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  one. I think they play a couple either way. They are going to play in, um, another couple
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  games there, this as their like farewell tour. Um, the WNBA as a league has asserted
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  that the relocation decisions are made by the board of governors, not individual teams
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  and that cities like Houston, which participated in the recent expansion process had priority
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  over Boston. So they're saying, well, they were looking for an expansion team and Boston
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  wasn't like actually, uh, on the high end of consideration for expansion.
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  So we wanted to prioritize Houston. What people are saying is that there are like,
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  so the board of governors, from my understanding is mostly just Adam silver and Adam silver
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  has a reason to maybe sell a team to specific people like Tillman for Tita in Texas, rather
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  than the bidders in Massachusetts. Now, the fact that they were the, the other bids were
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  going to be worth more than what the team actually ended up selling for. This is taking
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  a team and this has screwed the Mohegan sun owner, current owners, the indigenous casino
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  that owned it's it's screwing them out of money. There's really the only winners here.
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  It's not the Connecticut sun. It's not the WNBA fans in the Northeast. It's definitely
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  not the Mohegan sun. It's not any of these people. It's just Tillman for Tita. That's
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  really it. I'm happy for Houston fans again, but like, it just, it's hard. It's, it's a
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  very bitter pill to swallow. Um, the Connecticut ag in 2025 actually expressed concerns that
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  the league may be, might be wrongfully blocking sales, um, in a manner that was anti-competitive
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  and potentially violated state or federal laws. There's been valuation disputes on the
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  team. So this is it's dirty business from the WNBA after a great win with the coming
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  to terms on the CBA with the players. It is more shenanigans. Like you and I have been
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  kind of critical of Adam Silver of late. He sort of seems to be, he's having a rough go.
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  It's weird. Cause you're not wrong. He seemingly has seemingly lost the plot. It's kind of
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  come in conjunction of, we talked about it a lot on Friday, specifically about his new
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  anti tanking ideas of which the best one we found at best maybe was a C if I were getting
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  a letter grade. Um, this is a guy that for years was the bell of the ball. I think when
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  it comes to actual, I don't know, commissioners and their respective leagues. Yeah. He was,
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  he was very at the forefront of player empowerment, which was a very big thing at the time. Uh,
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  he was at the forefront of a lot of these sets and now seemingly his, I wouldn't say
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  blase attitude cause I don't think he was ever blase, but the amount of power he gave
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  to players seemingly has diminished his own power, which has now led to him in my opinion,
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  making rash decisions. Yeah. And it's, I mean, rash, definitely a bad decision. Rash, probably
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  not. This seems quite calculated. Yes. However, you're right. Like there is just a lot of
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  um, there's a lot of catering to specific billionaires situation here. And I, I think
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  that like anything that leads to stealing tens of millions of dollars in potential profit from
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  the indigenous folks in Connecticut who like any, that, that just doesn't feel good to me.
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  Feels like maybe we didn't have to do that. Um, and there's a real concern with me,
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  why someone like Adam silver and, and just the, the board of governors and the WMB in general
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  wouldn't want a team in new England. Um, it's like a very odd choice to be a professional league
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  right now with no team in new England. I understand what you're saying, but can I ask,
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  can I ask a follow up? Cause you mentioned the amount of money for the, they want to put in for
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  the practice facility. And we're talking to an investment of a hundred million dollars,
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  getting them over to Boston. All of it actually makes a lot of sense to me.
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  But what exactly is the investment opportunity that's being put forth by say Houston right now
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  to counteract that? Is there a larger investment being made by Houston that got them to quote,
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  unquote win the bid? Or do you think this is just as dirty behind the scenes as you think?
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  I mean, yeah, like I don't, I think that they'll probably get just as good facilities and I don't
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  think that it would be a downgrade on that front because they are going to invest. Um,
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  the, the bid itself being a little bit lower is a little odd. Um, and realistically it's more about
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  like, where are you looking to build your markets? Right? Like you just wrenched a team from one of
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  the biggest sports markets in the country. And now you're not that Houston's not a great market,
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  but you've also, you have a team in Dallas, right? Like there's, it's sort of like what is
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  Houston and Dallas aren't exactly the closest of cities.
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  No, but now the closest team to new England is New York. Like you're not going to get,
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  you're not getting new England, like basketball fans who are ravenous sports fans,
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  you're not getting the root for the fucking New York team.
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  It is kind of wild to me that there isn't a team in Boston of, of all the cities,
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  which is like fine. And it's like fine because they did have the sun, you know? And, but it's,
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  it's all, I don't know. It's, it's a frustrating, um, turn of events that I, I feel like looks
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  once again, like the WNBA has not divested itself from NBA shenanigans in a way that
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  like WNBA fans have been clamoring for. Like we, we really need them out from underneath
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  whatever it is that Adam Silver's plan is. And because he's doing enough to try to script the
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  NBA. Yes. The WNBA is on an uprise and this just feels odd. Do I want the comments to succeed?
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  Do I want Houston WNBA fans to be happy? Absolutely. Of course. Do I think it's good
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  for elite, for any professional sports league to not have a team in Boston? No, the NWSL just put
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  a team in Boston. The MLS have a team in Boston, every major men's, you know, has a team in legendary
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  teams. Right. So it just, that to me is just on its own. The first thing I think is like,
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  why don't you, why aren't you prioritizing this? What's about, what about this is making you
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  so uncomfortable? Uh, it seems like it's because Tillman Fertitta is not there. I don't know. Um,
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  staying in basketball world, we'll go to headline number two, which is that, uh, the NBA finals
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  odds currently speaking, I guess we're saying a new England NBA odds currently highly favor the
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  Celtics to come out of the East. I looked at all of the, um, sports books. It's anywhere from the
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  second to third highest in the league. Some people have them over the spurs as a higher odds,
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  but some, mostly it looks like it's, it's thunder spurs. And then the Celtics,
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  they got their 50th win on Sunday night, uh, with their win over the young and hot
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  Charlotte Hornets squad. So, um, and Jason Tatum's player of the week for the East,
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  they have clinched a playoff spot in there. It looks like they're probably all, but locked up
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  the two seed. Yes. And so my, so we're kind of at a point right now where people are starting to say
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  that like the Celtics are pretty obviously the favorite to come out of the East. I saw Michelle
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  Beatle say this on Beatle and Decker. No, no, no. She has not been quiet about this. And I don't
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  think anyone should be quiet about this. The moment Jason Tatum came back and immediately
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  showed, Oh shit. He's still Jason Tatum, despite the injury and coming back. The fact that it came
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  back as soon as he did at the way he did. And especially with the bullshit, the absolute
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  bullshit narrative is like, well, it's no longer Jason Tatum's team. Shut up. It is Jason Tatum's
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  team. And where are we? It's just that Jalen Brown's even better now. I'm about to say like,
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  it's such the weirdest thing that everyone's trying to create some narrative that Jalen
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  Brown's mad that he's getting Jason Tatum back. Yeah. It's not even close to me, especially with
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  Cade Cunningham still being a question Mark at this moment. Now I don't know what they're saying
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  that Cade's going to likely be back for playoffs, but I still think about it going. Yeah. That's
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  still a collapsed lung. We're talking about just even before, even before Cade's injury,
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  there were questions about whether or not this, this Pistons could beat the Celtics in a, in a
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  series, especially different thing. Once you get to the playoffs, you're talking about experience
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  and whatever else. So do you just take that all, you know, even had Cade not gotten hurt,
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  we'd still be talking about the Celtics as being potentially the team that could take down a team
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  like the Pistons or whatever else. So a Tim Bond Thompson, he was talking about this on the hoops,
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  collective podcast. And his thing is that they have title experience. They've all been there
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  and they've all done it. He said, none of these other teams in the East here. And I'm picking
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  them right now to win, uh, to win the East because they're not, they're not an unassailable favor,
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  but they don't have no other team has this level of, of high caliber playoff experience.
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  Haven't been played in the title game. So, and they're rolling, they've got their best player
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  back. They've, they've got a guy who's been playing at an MVP level all season at this
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  point. So this is my question for you, Cody curated a question just for you at this point,
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  are the Celtics a disappointment if they don't make the finals or is the East, the bigger
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  disappointment for not presenting a clear favorite outside the Celtics in a year where
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  there was supposed to be, it was supposed to be their gap. Let's be real clear. You're right about
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  the gap year. You're right about somebody at least not stepping up. I'm very disappointed.
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  One particular team that I will get to in just a second. I think I can guess it. Go ahead.
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  The Knicks. What the fuck Knicks. This was your chance. This was legitimately your chance.
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  They're still technically in it. I know that, but I don't, I, I'm not a believer to believe in them.
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  I'm not a believer because Jalen Brunson doesn't care if you don't believe me. I agree. No, no.
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  Brunson's like that guy. Knicks fans were dreaming of for years and years and years. And,
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  and listen, that's that city. Trust me. I just moved back to Los Angeles from New York city.
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  That city hates a big man on the Knicks more than any city I've ever known. They ran Julius
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  Randall's ass out of town. They're trying to do it to cat right now, which is, you know,
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  which by the way, poor cat, I've been lucky enough to hang out and work out and chill with
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  cat a few times. He's so nice. There's like literally nothing wrong with him. He's adorable.
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  Like I fucking love him, him and his girlfriend. I've, I've gotten to hang out with them. They're
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  so fucking nice. Um, anyways, uh, Knicks are a massive disappointment. I honestly,
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  the way I see it, the Boston should do this, but I also feel like the East is a little bit more
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  wide open. Now I do think it's three teams and then everybody else, unless we think Cleveland
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  is going to do it. But I know James Harden and what he does in may not a goddamn thing.
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  So that's a very much a, like, we do not owe you our belief in not one second. Feel free to prove
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  us all wrong, but it does feel like it's, it's the Celtics are the favorite right now. And then
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  it's like the pistons and the Knicks could knock on the door depending on how things go. But like,
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  could the Raptors kind of sneak in? I don't think so, but like, no, I mean, it's, it's pretty
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  clearly like, those are kind of the most obvious options. So you're thinking that like the East
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  should have stepped up, but they didn't, they didn't. And the West is still the juggernaut
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  West. But at the end of the day, this is the Celtics. It's the same. It's, it's Joe Missoula.
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  It's, it's a Brad built team. It's they've got Jason Tatum back. No, it's not the team that
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  went to the title, but they've got some core pieces from the title run. So would you think
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  it was a disappointment if they, if in this field, they don't make it to the finals?
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  Yes, but I'm also giving them a little leeway for something you already said earlier. And it's
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  simply this, this was supposed to be their gap year. Now we're talking about their gap year.
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  It's a disappointment if they don't make it to the finals. I'm not ready to go ahead and do that.
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  You're more hard on the East. You're like, you guys should have stepped up. No, the East is
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  honestly forget the Celtics being the East is a disappointment. The East has been a disappointment
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  year in year out. It's been a disappointment for all of the 21st century. Like, I mean,
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  it's genuinely been tough to like, yeah, you've had like spurts with the heat with the Celtics,
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  with the calves, with LeBron. It's been like, if LeBron's on a team, there's a good team in the
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  East. And then if the Celtics are good, there's a good team in the East. And that's like really it.
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  And I'm not ready to give excuses out for any of the teams in the East because look how quickly
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  the Spurs just rebuilt themselves into what they are a legitimate, a legitimate juggernaut.
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  And look what the Thunder did. Like, I mean, there are ways to get yourselves out of these slumps. So
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  I, I would tend to think I would tend to blame the East more, but there is a part of me and I am a
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  Celtics fan, but I'm also, I'm also not an idiot and I can like have a normal conversation, but
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  there is a part of me that's like, damn, well, now that you guys are here, you have the experience,
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  you have the edge, Jason Tatum, you're supposed to be a generational player.
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  What makes you generational? What, what are, what are the things that you do that make you somebody
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  who's like next level? Do you help your team get to a finals in a year where you weren't supposed to
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  winning a finals? Hell no. I have no expectation of anybody in the East winning an NBA finals.
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  I agree as well. My other question for you that I did want to ask you while we're on this is
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  what potential NBA files matchup would be the most intriguing to you?
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  Lakers Celtics. 100%. I understand that it's a chock. It's a chalky thing in old school,
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  but I feel like a Lakers Celtics matchup needs to happen once a decade. It just does. And we
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  haven't had it in how, what 15 years, 20 years. Yeah. It's been a while. So yeah,
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  I would love to see another Lakers Celtic matchup. I would also be, it would be, um,
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  Luca re rematching with the Celtics. Oh yeah. And that'd be awesome. And if we don't get that,
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  which by the way, I don't think we're getting that. I'd like to get that, but I'm having a
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  lot of trouble. I don't know how they beat the Spurs. I don't know how they beat Oklahoma city.
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  And I'm also worried if they get paired up and have to take on Minnesota in the playoffs as well.
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  That is something that really does worry me. I don't know why people keep forgetting about them.
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  They've been back to back-to-back Western finals. They were very close to their hunger
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  and they're really well coached. So yeah, that's a, that's a, that would be a really tough draw
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  early. So there's that. And there's also like the Denver nuggets. I know they're not as good
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  as they normally are, but I know what Joker does to the Lakers every May. I have had the
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  misfortune of watching it by the way. He was the Western conference player of the week this week.
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  Have you seen his fucking numbers? Yeah. I'm going to, in case you guys haven't seen his
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  numbers for this, I'm going to read them. He's most under the radar, fucking unbelievable guy.
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  Chris said to me the other day, he's like, cause we were talking about the MVP and he's like,
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  I don't know, man. Like it, Yoko is having like an insane season, even for Yoko. And I'm like,
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  okay, Chris, I look at his numbers for the player of the week stats week. Number 23,
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  this is what he averaged 26 points per game, 17 rebounds per game, 14 assists per game in four,
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  four wins, zero losses. What do you fucking mean? That's not even, that's not a triple double.
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  That isn't like you are now in deep into 17. Will Chamberlain, what the fuck is going on?
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  He's like trying to get a quadruple double. And by the way, I don't think that the odds are the
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  end all be all, but he's not even the top three in the MVP conversation. Yeah. People are just
• 21:45
  tired of it. They're over it. And also they haven't been high enough on the, in the standings
• 21:50
  because they're right up there. They're half game behind the Lakers right now. They're creeping up,
• 21:53
  but so, uh, they're also behind, I think the Celtics and the pistons. And so if you go league
• 21:59
  wide and if you look at it, I've done this before. If you look at the NBA, um, MVPs,
• 22:04
  there's only a few outliers that didn't wear their, uh, final standings finish wasn't top three.
• 22:12
  Almost every time the NBA is MVP is either the has the best team in the record in the league,
• 22:18
  not just their conference, best, second, best, or third best record in the league. There's
• 22:22
  a few outliers to that Russell Westbrooks, um, MVP, I think they were 10th in the league that year.
• 22:28
  Um, I believe Derek roses might've been an outlier one. Um, like, like one, one or two,
• 22:34
  one of Kobe's was like, he was like third in the league and that was like low. So when, and
• 22:39
  Jokic's was actually two of Jokic's have been outside that parameter. I think they, they finished
• 22:45
  10th or ninth or something and then like fifth. And so they've already kind of gone outside their
• 22:49
  parameters to be like, well, Jokic is so insane. We're going to give them the MVP. And I think
• 22:52
  that they're kind of done. They're like, we've done this a couple of times. You've like, somehow
• 22:56
  your team's got to start like getting to the top of the standings. Do I agree with it? Not
• 23:01
  necessarily, but that is the standard they've set. And I don't like the idea of breaking the
• 23:04
  standard for someone like Jokic when they didn't do it for other players that had NBA caliber
• 23:09
  type seasons. Well, I can understand that. And, uh, you know what, let's go ahead to headline
• 23:13
  number three and here's why, because I'm really, really impressed by how, and those of you that
• 23:18
  don't know, usually Tanya is the one that puts together the rundown for this lovely show. And,
• 23:22
  um, usually it's, it's always, she's always putting together the rundown for the show.
• 23:26
  She is a pro. Uh, I love today's rundown so much because not only do we have one referee slash
• 23:34
  umpire slash officiating, sorry, we got two today, baby. Uh, let's go ahead and talk about
• 23:38
  with the controversy that's taking place with the NFL. I thought you were going to compliment
• 23:42
  me on not putting NFL first. Did you think about it? It crossed my mind, but I just thought it was
• 23:50
  funny that, Oh, our second story Celtics. Yeah. Tanya wrote this, this rundown. No question. I
• 23:55
  didn't listen. I just tell, I just give you what the people are telling me they're interested in.
• 23:59
  Um, so this is, this one's really like, this actually is really pissing me off. We're going
• 24:04
  to get, have the not fun ref story before we have a more fun story. Um, as negotiations with
• 24:08
  the referee union stalls with the NFL, they could replace officials, uh, you know, install a
• 24:15
  replacement officials as soon as June 1st, that this is completely sold out. The ref, the refs
• 24:20
  are the union of NFL referees is getting nowhere with the league. And that is one thing that we've
• 24:26
  been anticipating this across NFL media, that this might happen. It's not super surprising.
• 24:31
  It's alarming because even the referees we do at the normal full-time referees have not been
• 24:38
  doing on their best the last few seasons. And the idea of replacement refs is it's tough. Uh,
• 24:45
  it's really what they've said. The league itself has said there's the sources that have been
• 24:51
  reporting back to, uh, media about why these conversations are stalling out.
• 24:58
  And that's what I want to talk to you about. So officials have in recent years worked spring
• 25:04
  leagues as a method of more, uh, time on tasks, but the league wants the ability to require such
• 25:09
  development procedures for low performing officials, rather than it be subject to those
• 25:13
  officials discretion, which is something that they were like, they don't want to like allow
• 25:16
  officials to decide to get more reps in. He said we, so the, the other big disagreement is on
• 25:23
  playoff assignments. The union wants playoff assignments to hinge on officials, seniority,
• 25:27
  giving preferred treatment to veterans. No, the league wants performative performance rather than
• 25:33
  seniority to dictate playoff assignments with the ability for new yet capable performers to earn
• 25:37
  playoff assignments. You gotta be for me to take the NFL side on this. I agree with you and the
• 25:42
  NFL on that. I think seniority literally in almost any situation is a fucking joke. It's a joke. I'm
• 25:48
  not a huge fan of seniority unless all of the people are so equally qualified that you're like,
• 25:53
  all right, well, this guy's just like, if you're talking about three dudes who've all performed as
• 25:57
  well across the season and one has is a 20 year veteran, throw them the fucking assignment. Can
• 26:02
  I give an example that really might resonate? Like if this was done in baseball and we're only
• 26:07
  what'd I say? You say resignate when you mean resonate, you do it a lot. So I'm just telling
• 26:11
  you now. Oh fuck. Anyways. Uh, the reason why it resonates is because if you are a baseball fan,
• 26:20
  you'll know these following names. If you're going off seniority and let's just say we were
• 26:23
  doing this last year, this would mean every world series was done by CD Buckner and Angel Hernandez.
• 26:28
  Oh my God. That's see, that's a perfect example. Do you want every world series done by CB Buckner
• 26:34
  and Angel Hernandez? Thank you. Were they, they weren't in the world series. They fucking better
• 26:38
  I mean, Angel's been in a couple and he knows how to fucking ruin a game better than anybody,
• 26:42
  which is why he's no longer doing the job. Sure. But you know, I kind of miss how much we hated
• 26:48
  him. We still got CB to hate. Oh, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. All right. The third one,
• 26:55
  I think we'll see, we'll see how you feel. I will. I won't project. But, um, so we've agreed.
• 26:59
  We don't need a seniority guys. You got to drop. I want somebody that's good,
• 27:03
  but it also feels like this is the bigger issue. The third disagreement is over compensation.
• 27:07
  The NFL has offered an average raise of 6.45% per year over the six-year life of the deal.
• 27:14
  So it goes up yearly. Okay. Um, the 20 no over across the life of the deal. So it would be 6.45%
• 27:22
  per year over the six years. Every year it goes up 6.4%. Yes. The 2019 negotiations granted
• 27:28
  officials, uh, an average raise of 5.75% per year after agreeing to 5.2 in 2012,
• 27:33
  the officiating unions arguing that NFL officials should be paid more commensurately with officials
• 27:38
  from the NBA, MLB, and NHL. The NFL believes that those are not fair parallels. Given how
• 27:43
  many more games those leagues hold over each season compared to the NFL league negotiators
• 27:49
  instead point to the relative per game compensation, the NFL officials have compared
• 27:54
  to officials in other sports with 82, 82, and 162 games per season, respectively.
• 27:59
  The NFL RA has proposed a raise of more than 10% per year on average. A source said they think they
• 28:05
  should be, this is the league source says they think they should be paid as much as basketball,
• 28:09
  hockey, and baseball officials. And when you look around and you look at what those leagues ask of
• 28:14
  their officials to go away from their families, to be on the road every day for months at a time,
• 28:18
  it's an absurd comparison. Yes. The league believes it's more ready to respond to a
• 28:22
  potential officiating lockout than 2012 due to advances in technology, boundary line cameras,
• 28:28
  rules, and replay assistant staffing. Once again, you know how bad you have to be for me to fully
• 28:36
  take the NFL side. We're going to war. You and I are going to war. Okay. I'm going to tell you
• 28:41
  right now. They are, the NFL is correct about specifically the travel, specifically the
• 28:45
  commitment that is done by. First of all, you do realize that like there are, there are plenty of
• 28:50
  referees that are going to have to go to like Brazil, Australia, Mexico. I hear what you're
• 28:55
  saying. London completely agree with you. I hear what you're saying. Uh, major league baseball
• 28:59
  umpires live in a van for the entire season. They travel from spot to spot. Um, it's a full
• 29:05
  commitment of the year. They're with the same, usually with the same crew all year long, unless
• 29:08
  it's a specialty game of some kind. Um, that's 162 games and it's a, it's more of a grind. Now
• 29:14
  this is a 17 game season. Now, do I think 6.4% is enough? I think it'd be reasonable to get higher
• 29:20
  to like 6.8% even getting close to 7% but what they're demanding is going from 5.2% to a 10%
• 29:26
  raise. You're asking for double for a job that I'm sorry is 17 games a year. I'm, well, it's not,
• 29:32
  I mean, you're talking also talking about there is spring stuff. There is sure you got three,
• 29:36
  three, three games now. And then you got the, okay. They feel like she'd be compensated for
• 29:40
  everything. Make no mistake. I'm not saying NFL referee shouldn't be compensated, but to compare
• 29:46
  themselves to NBA referees and major league baseball referee and umpires to me is an insane.
• 29:54
  I'm gonna ask you this. Yes. You and I, yes. We want to get, we work for, let's say tomorrow
• 30:01
  we start working for, um, ESPN. Okay. And we want to get paid. Of course. ESPN prices.
• 30:13
  What, what ESPN pays their podcasters say whatever it is. Right.
• 30:20
  Then we get picked up by Netflix. Yes. Now we're talking about Netflix money. Yes. More money.
• 30:28
  And they say, you want to get paid? Like you have a show on Netflix and we say, well,
• 30:35
  you gave us a show on Netflix. That's what I feel like. This is the NFL is the most profitable
• 30:44
  league in the world. They, their profitability and what they are worth dwarfs the MLB, the NBA
• 30:53
  and the NHL combined. I agree. The, the refs people know them by name and they are viewed
• 31:03
  by 20 to 30 million people on a shitty game at a time. They are the stars of the NFL show. That's
• 31:14
  a, I mean, as far, I'm sorry, the referee show, they're the stars of the ref. There are, there
• 31:20
  are nowhere. Nobody fucking knows like the amount of people that are going to watch an MLB game
• 31:27
  be officiated. I don't care if it's you combine them, combine every single game that is
• 31:34
  I want to go back here and I want to actually fight you on this one a little bit because you're
• 31:37
  now making the argument to me a little bit, not entirely. I freely admit there's shades of gray
• 31:41
  here. I'm not saying you're just sitting here making this argument, but it sounds a little
• 31:45
  bit like, well, the NFL is King. So the referee should be paid. I disagree wholeheartedly because
• 31:51
  no one, not one person has ever gone to an NFL game or watched an NFL game to watch a fucking
• 31:57
  referee. Then why do you think they should get paid at all? They do a job and they should get
• 32:01
  paid. And I think they should get paid more by the way, but they're asking for double. No,
• 32:05
  they should get paid commensurate with how much the, so all of the players make what they make.
• 32:10
  All the executives make what they make. We tune in to watch the NFL players play. What I'm talking
• 32:16
  about is commensurate to the fucking, I'm not talking about that. I'm saying if, if referees
• 32:22
  and hockey make a certain amount and MLB umpires make a certain amount and their, their judges make
• 32:27
  a certain amount and the NHL, right? All of that is what you are value to the league. You're doing
• 32:32
  a job. The league. I don't think the value is there anymore. That's another thing. They even
• 32:35
  said it in the thing. And I think that's wrong. I don't think it's wrong. I don't think you
• 32:40
  understand how bad the NFL is at instituting their replay because they don't use it the way that MLB
• 32:46
  I agree that they are bad at instituting the replay, but they haven't changed the rules,
• 32:50
  but they keep trying to change every rule in every rule when it comes to a bunch of things
• 32:53
  that you literally can't even, you can't even, um, I'm not saying these guys, no, I agree.
• 32:59
  I'm not saying it's a difficult, not a difficult job. Of course it's a fucking difficult job,
• 33:02
  but it's 17 games for three hours a season. I am not worth $10 billion. I agree, but they're
• 33:09
  referees. They they're asking for 10%. Okay, fine. So we're just podcasters. You, if they say
• 33:17
  all you ever make is what podcasters make, no matter what platform you're on, no matter how
• 33:22
  much the company you're working for makes, no matter how big they are, no matter how big your
• 33:27
  audience is, we can only make a certain amount of money because we're just podcasters. We don't
• 33:31
  actually make a TV show. Let's say, okay. I'm also having trouble understanding this,
• 33:37
  this analogy because I don't think they're the same thing. They are. If you work for a more,
• 33:42
  for a more successful company that makes more money, that pays their players more money,
• 33:46
  that rakes in more money where their commissioner makes more money, where their executives make
• 33:50
  more money and where their fucking cheerleaders make more money at this point where every, yes,
• 33:57
  good. Well, it's not good. Well, it's not good money, but it's better than the NBA dancers.
• 34:02
  It's better than whatever. That's good. That's all I'm saying is that like there is no part of
• 34:07
  the NFL that does not rake in more money than every one of those leagues combined. And if you
• 34:12
  are an integral part of what they're doing, if they don't need reps, they don't have to hire them.
• 34:15
  That's fine. But if you think you have to have them there, you have to pay them commensurate to
• 34:19
  what your fucking brand is pumping out. I don't disagree with you. I'm having trouble getting to
• 34:24
  the idea that referees should get a double increase in their pay. When I do think it
• 34:29
  should be maybe 50%. I'm fine with it because that's how much Roger Goodell increased. Now
• 34:34
  I don't think Roger Goodell should make the money he makes. No, I agree. But that's just,
• 34:39
  I hate to say this, just the realistic nature of this horrible system we're currently in.
• 34:46
  But that, so your whole thing is like, no, just, just accept the fact that you are the,
• 34:51
  that you're going to get lower pay than. No, because I'm suggesting they do get paid more.
• 34:55
  The compensation rate they're getting right now is 5.2. It's still not commensurate with
• 34:58
  how much more their fucking product is worth. That's what my point is. But I don't think
• 35:03
  the labor force, see like this whole idea that it's like, no, because you're just like,
• 35:07
  you're asking for too much more than when you were already making them. They were already underpaid.
• 35:12
  They have full-time jobs. I know you're making a million dollars a year. I know. I agree with that.
• 35:17
  I already underpaid. I agree. They should be paying more. I agree. They should be doubled,
• 35:21
  doubled. All right. Well then I'm doubled. Then how about this? I need to know exactly
• 35:25
  what their pay is that that's all. I would like to know how much a referee is paid for an entire
• 35:29
  season. That's it. You want to see, all right, I pull it up, pull it up for me and let's see if
• 35:33
  you can get me on your side. Cause as of right now, I think referees should be as noticeable
• 35:40
  as a chair, but that's not your fucking call to make. Like you're, you're conflating whether you
• 35:45
  think referees should exist with the fact that they do. This is like you saying, I don't think
• 35:49
  baristas should have to exist because I like at the end of the day, they do like you don't get
• 35:54
  like, that's not, you're making a value call. You're making a value call on someone's entire
• 35:59
  fucking career. It's not bad. It's just actually need to be made for the argument. We are getting
• 36:04
  into a new world where technology is taking over. There is going to be a point where referees are
• 36:09
  borderline, not going to exist. That's fine. If you want to get rid of refs, fine, but we're going
• 36:14
  to get there and the rest of you pay them what they're worth to your brand. Okay. Tell me what
• 36:20
  they're getting paid right now, because what you're telling me in the compensation numbers
• 36:24
  that they agreed to in their previous thing was 5.2 and now they want over 10. That is a drastic
• 36:29
  increase for someone that no one is going to a game to watch. That is just fact. Now that being
• 36:35
  said, I do think they should be made more. And if I find out that the pay that they're getting
• 36:39
  to do their job, any game to watch any official, I agree. So if you keep making that argument in
• 36:47
  a year, it doesn't make sense to me that they get paid the same amount of a job. That's 162 games.
• 36:52
  Cody, if you were negotiating your salary and you were like, by the way, 20 million people watch my
• 36:55
  show every week and only 5 million people watch theirs. I want to get paid more for doing the
• 37:00
  same amount of work for less work. I think that would be no Cody. You, you have a show three
• 37:05
  hours a week that makes that has 20 million viewers. Yes. And another person does a show
• 37:11
  three times a week, three hours a day. They only rake in 2 million viewers over the same time.
• 37:16
  You still want to make more money than that harder working motherfucker, because you make
• 37:20
  more fucking money for them. You're telling me this as if I don't want them to get paid a
• 37:24
  reasonable rate. It's 17 games that should be paid a reasonable rate for the 17 games that
• 37:28
  they're playing or anything that they're doing. But to compare themselves to major league baseball
• 37:32
  umpires who live on the road for eight months of the year. I'm sorry. It's not the same fucking
• 37:38
  thing. Their average per game. Let's hear that. Oh, no, that's not. That's not what it was.
• 37:45
  I average referee salary in the NFL is 205,000. Fuck that you're paid more than enough for 17
• 37:53
  games a year. That's I'm sorry. I'm not with you on this. I think they should get paid a little
• 37:58
  bit more, but to say that they should be getting paid the compensatory rate because it's just,
• 38:03
  you happen to be reffing in the NFL and not major league baseball is insane to me. I'm not on that.
• 38:08
  I like, I don't understand. I genuinely don't understand how you don't aren't making the like
• 38:15
  the capitalist understanding here. Like you're not like, like you're fully not understanding
• 38:20
  that your stupid fucking league of baseball umpires does not draw ratings like that.
• 38:26
  They never have. They never will. They never have. They've never made that kind of baseball.
• 38:31
  The only team that even compares is the fucking Yankees and the Red Sox. That's it.
• 38:36
  I want to make this abundantly clear. I'm not sitting here saying that anyone's tuning in to
• 38:39
  see an umpire major league baseball either, but the refs making the argument that we should be
• 38:43
  compensating the same way these guys should when their job is simply thinking in my head,
• 38:48
  hold on, let's just go through it. Roughly eight to 10 times more of the fucking work. I'm sorry.
• 38:56
  You're only talking about one umpire, by the way, you're half of the fucking crew on a, on a,
• 39:02
  on a, during a baseball game is doing nothing but watching the whole fucking time.
• 39:07
  I disagree. That being said, I don't love umpires either. I'm just saying that what they're asking
• 39:15
  for is very high in a negotiation thing of which they do not have any power in this exact moment.
• 39:21
  I think they can get them to 7%. I do not think they're going to get them to double. And you know
• 39:25
  what, if they don't get them to double and they, they, I'm not saying I'm not projecting what they
• 39:29
  will or won't be able to do. The NFL is able to build people out of money all the fucking time.
• 39:32
  You're right. And the NFL could pay this as well. I agree with that. I'm telling you is if they want
• 39:36
  to make $300,000 instead of 205 as referees for one of the biggest money-making institutions in
• 39:45
  the world, I would agree with 300. I would agree with that because that takes you more to a
• 39:49
  reasonable that's 7.5. That's yes. I think you've been doing the math wrong. You told me it was 5.2
• 39:55
  and they were asking for over 10. It's been at no, it was 5.2 in 2012. Okay. So what is it right
• 40:00
  now? So there, the one that they were currently on from the last one was seven points or they were
• 40:07
  up to 6.45%, 6.45. I'm asking for 6.45. They were at 5.75. Okay. Now I do think they should get more
• 40:15
  than 6.45. I think they should get to 7.5. I do think that is more than a year over a year. That
• 40:20
  would get, that's what would get them to 300,000. I would be fine with that, but they're asking for
• 40:24
  over 10%. Okay. So over 10%, which is nearly doubling their current. No, it's not. That's
• 40:30
  what percentages work. Tell me and then explain it. If you take 10% of 205,000, that's 20,000.
• 40:37
  I thought you told me they were making $205,000 a year. Yeah. Okay. So is that coming out of a
• 40:42
  revenue of revenue stream of NFL? I don't know. I don't know. So if they're giving a piece of
• 40:47
  revenue sharing from that and they're getting that at six point, let's say 5.4%, they're asking to
• 40:52
  get that double. No, that's the raise. That's their raise every year. So if you get a, let's
• 40:58
  say you get a 10% raise year over year, you start at 205,000. Okay. So it's more about the raise
• 41:03
  rather than a revenue sharing plan of any kind. Right. Okay. So now that what they want is just
• 41:07
  going to raise the $300,000. Well, that's it. I'm fine with it. No, I'm fine with it. You were
• 41:15
  explaining this to me that I thought it was more of a revenue sharing plan that would go up each
• 41:18
  year. No, your own salaries would go up 6.4%. It would be a salary percentage raise every year.
• 41:24
  Okay. Salary percentage raise every year. So we're getting to say 10% of salary every year
• 41:28
  after six years, if it's 205. So you get a 60% raise after six years or you're after six years,
• 41:35
  you've gone 10% up every single year. So if you'd be, you'd be 20, 20% or 10% of the 205,000,
• 41:43
  then you'd be 10% of 215,000. Then you'd be another 10% of 225,000. And so you're working
• 41:49
  your way up. Fine. Give them the 10%. I don't care. It's at the point they're referees. They
• 41:56
  work 17 games a year. I'm sorry. We disagree on the amount. They're making over $200,000 a year
• 42:02
  to work roughly 17 to 20 days a year. Do you even, I genuinely wonder, I'm asking this. Do you think
• 42:09
  they like show up every week and just like, they're just like, okay, I clock in, I work for
• 42:13
  four hours. I'm aware that umpires and referees, it is a challenging job. And also a thankless job
• 42:20
  often because it's a hard job and you get a lot of scrutiny, make no mistake. They get so
• 42:25
  much scrutiny. Endless shit. And I know umpires do too, but it's just by a way less people,
• 42:30
  way fewer people. You're just unbelievable. I'm sorry. It is. I'm sorry. Nobody watches
• 42:36
  baseball in that way. Major league baseball is currently having an absolutely astronomical
• 42:41
  moment right now. That's my whole point. The best they've been doesn't fucking touch an NFL game.
• 42:46
  That's fine. It doesn't touch it. No one watches a game to watch a fucking referee or umpire.
• 42:50
  That's the other thing that I'm having so much trouble with. Nobody watches a game to watch the
• 42:54
  fucking defensive coordinator either, but they still are there getting paid. How an actual game
• 43:01
  is ran. I guarantee you, if you watch an NFL game, you wouldn't notice the coordinator wasn't
• 43:06
  there. You wouldn't. Okay. As someone that played professionally though, I could tell you that I
• 43:11
  noticed coaches, the players notice coaches. It's a, a coordinator is heavily noticed to a team.
• 43:16
  There are a lot of parts of the NFL that you don't tune in to watch that are like functional
• 43:22
  mechanisms of a game. Like it's just a weird. Okay. This is just in the chat real quick. They're
• 43:27
  getting $4,000 an hour. That's not bad. I fucking agree. They're getting more than that. So wait.
• 43:33
  Oh no, no. They're getting $10,000 a game. I think. Yeah. So they're doing fine. I'm sorry.
• 43:38
  Like, and you're making the argument to me that they get, they have separate jobs. If they're
• 43:42
  making $200,000 a year. I, you, you guys are all fucking marks. I'm telling you the idea. You're
• 43:48
  like, Oh my God, they're fine. I would love to make $10,000 a game. I wish I could make that.
• 43:52
  I'm sorry. Referees are not athletes. They're fucking referees. I don't, I don't like athletes.
• 43:57
  The last time an NFL player made $200,000 a year was 1970. Right? So that's what they're
• 44:04
  getting paid as in the NFL. That's just what it is. And I'm so tired of you guys being like,
• 44:11
  we have to make sure we save the billionaires their money because
• 44:15
  by the way, this is not me being pro billionaire. It's me going like Jesus Christ,
• 44:19
  the referees, you love billionaires. And that's you want to save the NFL money. You hate the
• 44:25
  little man. And I do hate referees. Clearly. You don't want referees should get a fucking decrease.
• 44:33
  You should make a hundred thousand dollars. He wants you to make 10% less every year. Yes.
• 44:38
  Each year you're getting paid less. That's what you've done to me in this argument. You've made
• 44:44
  me hate refs more. And you know what? I'm fine with that because we're going to talk about some
• 44:51
  refs now. Yes. Let's go. Is it media quarter time? No, it's we're not, we're not even there yet.
• 44:56
  We got balls and strikes being challenged. Yes. Well that should be media quarter. All right.
• 45:00
  This is my favorite thing. It's not media quarter just because I do feel like it is very like
• 45:04
  baseball game news centric. A lot of people are talking about whether it's awesome or not. I saw
• 45:08
  Ken Rosenthal say that he really, he thinks that it's actually increased the enjoyment of the game.
• 45:16
  Let's give the full context. ABS system has been enacted in major league baseball. And those of
• 45:20
  you that don't know what the ABS system is, of course it's leading to some of the funniest things
• 45:24
  that's ever happened in the world. So those of you who know it's an automated strike zone that
• 45:26
  exists. You get to see the box. It is calibrated to every individual player. Why is it funny? Give
• 45:33
  me a second. Because Gavin Lux has shrunk three inches and that's funny to me. I was 5'11 my
• 45:39
  entire career. I'm 5'11 right now. You're telling me I could have just lied and said I was 6'2.
• 45:44
  I could have made money playing professional baseball. Fuck. Anyways. But also on top of that,
• 45:52
  I will freely admit this ABS challenge system, when it was announced and it was being implemented,
• 45:56
  I was one of the loudest opponents of it. I thought this was so stupid because what they're
• 46:01
  doing and this is the thing that irritates me and I think would irritate you just as much.
• 46:05
  You're announcing to everyone that you can get every single one of these pitches and calls right.
• 46:10
  Every single one and you're choosing not to. The reason is because the ABS challenge system
• 46:16
  is brought to you by T-Mobile. If it's just automatic strikes and call, the strike is not
• 46:22
  going to be sponsored by T-Mobile. Now they're making millions and millions of dollars on this
• 46:26
  thing and I will admit that irked the living shit out of me. Sure. Now that it's put into practice
• 46:35
  though, I fucking love it. It's so great. I think it's amazing because the challenge system
• 46:42
  is actually implementing a strategy that I wasn't anticipating and I'm not going to lie to you,
• 46:48
  watching fans get into it. It's fucking electric. It is truly moving baseball into the future and I
• 46:57
  love it. And I think it's going to be really interesting. The first thing that we've noticed
• 47:02
  over the first week of doing this is that there are certain positions and there are certain teams
• 47:10
  that are utilizing this, that are taking advantage of it in a very specific way. And
• 47:15
  catchers are the best challengers so far, which is not surprising. They are the quarterbacks of
• 47:21
  the field when they're out there defensively. One in particular had a field day. And I love this
• 47:28
  because my household is a huge Salvador Perez fan. I love me some Salvi, ex-teammate of mine,
• 47:32
  by the way. He is the best. And the Royals, both the Royals and the Diamondbacks, I think
• 47:37
  each had four challenges. I think they were both a hundred percent. Because Gabby Moreno also won
• 47:42
  hell of a catcher back there. Yeah. So they, you know, this, that aspect of it is like really
• 47:48
  fascinating. Who are, who's challenging? Not only what, which teams, but which positions are doing
• 47:52
  it. The pitchers, not so much. We're seeing like, we're seeing all kinds of stuff that like we,
• 47:57
  this, this is the first time in a long time where we're seeing new strategy in baseball.
• 48:04
  So cool. And that's like something that like I I've seen in basically every other sport,
• 48:10
  like is new strategy evolved, but specifically in the NBA and the NFL or football and basketball,
• 48:15
  where, because the league has evolved, the players have evolved, the style of play has evolved.
• 48:19
  We've seen new strategy evolve. Like basketball looks completely different now in terms of
• 48:25
  strategy and how it, how it play so much less down low. We talk way more about perimeter
• 48:29
  shooting. Then we see like, okay, now we're moving back. We've seen all kinds of stuff.
• 48:32
  And that causes these massive strategic shifts. NFL, Jesus Christ, it's completely like that
• 48:38
  changes, you know, year by year, practically. But baseball has been so stagnant. And then they've
• 48:43
  done these couple of things. They do the pitch clock. They, they get the shift, the whole thing.
• 48:47
  This is the first time that I have noticed like, oh, we're going to see like a whole new element
• 48:54
  of baseball. We've never seen. It's very cool. And here's the other thing. That's really fun.
• 48:58
  And I'll give you a little inside baseball thing. Story of mine. Guy even tweeted it out today
• 49:01
  because I thought it was interesting. Oh, well, I get a second hand second person. You're telling
• 49:05
  me. No, no, no, no. I think you'll appreciate it. You're the first person I'm actually saying
• 49:08
  it to out loud and you'll really enjoy it. Those of you haven't noticed Salvi Perez made one
• 49:14
  particular umpire. No, sorry. It wasn't Salvi that made this umpire. Yeah. He was doing with
• 49:18
  Doug Eddings and that Doug Eddings was having a rough day with the bottom of the zone, but
• 49:21
  watching CB Buckner in Cincinnati, CB Buckner, by the way, notoriously the one who made the bad
• 49:28
  call on CB Buckner is the worst umpire in baseball. He was the world baseball classic one,
• 49:32
  right? Uh, no, he was not, but don't worry. CB's made a lot of calls. Yeah. Fun fact about CB
• 49:38
  Buckner. Your boy has one major league baseball star in his entire career. Only got to start
• 49:43
  one major league baseball game. It was at Dodger stadium. I was really excited to do it to start
• 49:47
  at Dodger stadium. My one major league star was at Dodger stadium. It was very cool. That being
• 49:54
  said, I was with the Padres at the time and I'll never forget it. CB Buckner was the umpire behind
• 50:00
  home plate, which was not good for your boy because it was my first major league start.
• 50:05
  CB Buckner is a terrible umpire who I truly believe was looking the opposite direction at all times.
• 50:10
  And then I got called out on a pitch that I thought looked more like a pitch out so much so
• 50:16
  that catcher for the Dodgers, AJ Ellis, caught it, didn't even try to frame it, started throwing
• 50:20
  the ball back to the pitcher, strike three, rewound and threw it to third base. And I just
• 50:25
  sat there going, no way. And I come back in the dugout. I'm like, that was the, I don't even know
• 50:29
  if I could have reached that ball. And then I go in the dugout and Justin Upton comes and he's like,
• 50:34
  Cody, welcome to the CB show. And I get to, I'm playing first base in this game. AJ Ellis later
• 50:42
  gets the first base and he hugs me and he's like, deck, I'm really happy you're here. Congratulations.
• 50:45
  Finally getting up here and you're officially a big leaguer. You got CB'd for the first time.
• 50:50
  I never got another major league start. Thanks CB Buckner. Um, I can't stress enough how happy I am
• 50:57
  that this challenge system exists and I'm really happy we are getting a public shaming of all the
• 51:04
  bad umpires, especially CB Buckner. And partially I'm actually now disappointed Angel Hernandez
• 51:10
  retired. I now wish Angel Hernandez was here. I was thinking the same thing. I would give anything
• 51:15
  to watch a public daily shaming of Angel Hernandez. And so would you. So yes, because your
• 51:22
  boy, so, uh, Chad Whitson had seven challenges, uh, against him and had all seven of them over time,
• 51:29
  which is very, very funny. And the crowd eruption, by the way, like to be an umpire who has challenged
• 51:35
  seven times, by the way, like a decent amount, uh, have them all go against him is brutal.
• 51:42
  But your boy CB Buckner had eight, six of them went against him. So he got his day in court.
• 51:47
  Um, Chris Siegel had 10 challenges against him, seven overturn. So like, I mean, we are, it's,
• 51:55
  if you actually want to feel bad for an officiating crew right there, the umpires are
• 52:00
  going through now. I did see someone make the argument. And I, I do think that for like the
• 52:06
  less hot take side of this, um, the challenges have an opportunity to also show just how difficult
• 52:15
  hiring actually is. If, if you actually want to look at it in a graceful way,
• 52:20
  um, which I tend to do like with, I try to do that in like these close call situations.
• 52:27
  Um, because like, I like you're doing human eye. And then when you go to a slowed down version of
• 52:33
  things, it's like, so little known fact, I used to referee soccer. Okay. I've been a referee,
• 52:38
  like, and I understand how it's just like, there's only so much you can do. And even when you have
• 52:43
  line judges, even when you have help, there's only so much you can do. So I try to be like,
• 52:47
  as long as it's a close call, um, I have like, I, I had the, like you 17 dads screaming at me
• 52:55
  on the sidelines when I was only 17, you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm a 17 year old refereeing,
• 53:01
  15 year olds getting yelled at by a 35 year old man, you know, so, but I do understand how, like,
• 53:08
  when I watch soccer, because I was a soccer referee, there are certain rules that I just
• 53:12
  like, don't fuck around with. Like offsides in soccer is like a very specific thing that just is
• 53:18
  constantly incredibly frustrating and bar like the, the, the VA introduction of bar in regards
• 53:24
  to offsides is actually, in my opinion, made the calling of it worse. Like I, I genuinely,
• 53:30
  like, I don't understand. I, that's not how I feel about this. If anything, it's made me respect
• 53:37
  some of what umpires have to do a little bit more. So there's that. And, but that doesn't mean
• 53:43
  we can't have fun with it. That's exactly right. We can still be like, ah, so can I also, I would
• 53:49
  like to give a measured thing because I am enjoying this so much, but I will also admit,
• 53:54
  cause you're not wrong. It should show fans just how difficult this is. It's not the old days,
• 53:59
  man. Everybody is throwing 97 plus with ridiculous movement. We talked about that on the show where
• 54:04
  you've said like, it's, it's, it's the game is surpassing the ability for the human naked eye
• 54:08
  to actually like plain and simple. And we're watching, you know, balls just barely clip
• 54:12
  the end of a zone that at 103 miles an hour. What I look forward to is their ability to track which
• 54:18
  pitches they're getting wrong or which calls strikes they're getting wrong. Like, is there
• 54:22
  a pattern where they already have that, but they now with this now with, with, with, um, challenges
• 54:27
  being overturned because realistically we can argue it, you know, whatever, but the actual
• 54:31
  regular overturned calls. And if there is a pattern in specific umpires, is there a pattern
• 54:37
  against specific teams? Like this is the stuff that we do with other, with other, um, leagues.
• 54:42
  So that I think is going to be interesting. And, um, so far so good. I just, uh, it's definitely
• 54:47
  been really, uh, I, my, my guy, Alex Cora got ejected over the weekend arguing about is totally
• 54:54
  different. I mean, it was a totally different situation. It wasn't an inject, but like these,
• 54:58
  these umpire situations are just like some of the more fun things in baseball. I love, I love
• 55:05
  watching it. Cause Trevor story doesn't get like that. Like he was pretty pissed.
• 55:08
  Oh, and by the way, that was a CB Buckner call and I can't stress this enough. It was a bad call
• 55:14
  by CB Buckner to the point where the broadcast was like, that's bad. Like they were like,
• 55:19
  we can't pretend that wasn't really fucking bad. No, it was awful. It was just so you know,
• 55:22
  full context. It was a check swing at the plate ball in the dirt. When I say he didn't go,
• 55:27
  he didn't go CB Buckner called him out on his own. Trevor story lost his mind for a very simple
• 55:33
  reason. And this is every hitter's reason that I cannot stress this enough. You are not good
• 55:38
  enough back there. You cannot see that he didn't double check go to first base. And again, that's
• 55:44
  because those guys don't do anything, but that's not there. You know what? Every NFL referee should
• 55:51
  be paid hourly, a fucking minimum wage hourly. Now that's what you have done to me. That's what
• 55:58
  you've turned me into. I used to be a supporter. I was an ally. We're going to skip over our first
• 56:07
  media corner story because we are, we've run long cause we, we were arguing, but I do want to get
• 56:12
  to our second media corner story before we close out on Hills. We're dying on the ESPN vice
• 56:20
  president has revealed that there's about according to their calculations, a 50, 50 gender split in
• 56:27
  women's sports viewership. Everyone is watching women's sports. And this was them sort of
• 56:31
  discussing their defending, discussing their decision to do the women's sports Sunday programming.
• 56:38
  And they said that their a Tik TOK is a 50, 50 gender split. Um, they're across their,
• 56:44
  their platforms. It's largely 50, 50. She broke down all of these numbers.
• 56:49
  Uh, Instagram is about 60, 40 split, uh, leaning toward female, but we're talking about like,
• 56:55
  we're kind of reaching across the board. And obviously this isn't including, you know,
• 56:58
  non-binary whatever else, but there's like across the gender spectrum, people are watching women's
• 57:04
  sports, not only watching them, the games and the actual product, but engaging specifically on
• 57:09
  social media, which is a big thing. I mean, you and I have talked a lot about like, there are
• 57:13
  certain links who just do really well on social media. We've also talked like the WWE has built
• 57:17
  a massive brand by just like pumping shit out on social media. And that's what they do. And,
• 57:23
  and sports leagues themselves kind of they've that's, that's a big thing that they've been
• 57:28
  catching up on. You, you, you know, sometimes when you're on social media too much, you're like,
• 57:32
  does the real world feel like this? Or is it, is it just the algorithm throwing me the algorithm
• 57:37
  or is it just like the chronically online people who like, are they actually representing a cross
• 57:42
  section? That's a really good question. I have the, I have this internal debate all the time,
• 57:45
  especially when it comes like, for instance, like around election time specifically, I, I I'm like,
• 57:50
  I can't take the temperature on the world off the social media. And so like, I, you know,
• 57:56
  generally I can get a pretty good sense. I've, I've been in media my entire life. I'm, I'm a
• 58:01
  journalist at heart. And so I can generally get a good sense of, is this a cross section of like,
• 58:06
  of an actual ideology or conversation that's happening across the board? Or is this a very
• 58:12
  chronically online take you and I have grown up kind of in the era of trying to bring women into
• 58:17
  sports. The 21st century has been the, like, how do we get women into sports era? And it was always,
• 58:22
  how do we get women into men's sports? So it was like the pink hats and like, do we sell like cute
• 58:27
  little clothes or how do we get the, how do we get these girls to like the sports, you know? And it
• 58:31
  was like, actually you could just get us to like the sport. You actually didn't need to sell us
• 58:35
  pink hats. You didn't need to like create new, like cute little ways to get us to games. You
• 58:43
  didn't have to like do anything special. You just had to get us to like the sport. Yes. And
• 58:48
  the reality is like, women have always really liked sports. Part of the conversation has always
• 58:51
  been men have tried to marginalize women out of that because they were claiming the space. Yes.
• 58:57
  A lot of people ask me like, how did you get into it? Like when they find out what I do for a living,
• 59:00
  they'll say like, you know, how did you get into it? What do you mean? You just always have,
• 59:06
  you're a Boston girl, you love sports. But like, I get asked it in a way that like men who came up
• 59:11
  with me in the industry never get asked it. Like people are never like, so what got you into sports
• 59:17
  as a kid to a little bull? Like people do not ask that of my call. They might ask you how you became
• 59:24
  a professional baseball player, but that's a different thing. Like, of course it's a very,
• 59:27
  but they don't ask, how do you get into sports? What made you like sports is not a question that
• 59:32
  men get asked. You're right. It's something that I get asked a lot. We all grew up playing sports.
• 59:37
  Of course we love them. You just didn't want us to be, to be a part of it. And when you did,
• 59:40
  you wanted us to be a very specific type of part of it. And now women's sports kind of bringing in,
• 59:46
  they're like doing the exact thing that men's sports have been trying to do, which is like
• 59:49
  access a cross section of Jen of the gender spectrum in a way that like the NFL and the NBA
• 59:55
  and all these people have been trying to do forever. Um, I mean, the NFL sold their souls
• 59:59
  to Taylor Swift to get women to fucking watch. Right. I mean, to some extent it has worked
• 1:00:05
  because like a lot of those women came in and they were like, wait a second. I think I kind
• 1:00:08
  of like the NFL. I think I kind of like watching a football game. Um, but I mean, it's that's,
• 1:00:12
  it never really needed to be that you could have just let us be sports fans. And this is kind of
• 1:00:18
  what this is showing is that like when women are leading the way in a women's led league and men
• 1:00:23
  are the ones who are kind of like, Hey, I like this and we're here. Guess what happens? Men are
• 1:00:28
  welcomed in so easily. Come watch the fucking league. I know no one's like, why are the men
• 1:00:33
  here? Yeah, no, no, no. You guys don't gatekeep this shit. We do. We're the worst. I, I totally
• 1:00:37
  agree with you on all of this. Real sports fans will gravitate toward a great product.
• 1:00:42
  And that is exactly what's happening. And women don't have to, the, the marketing and branding
• 1:00:49
  world has always focused itself on women because there's such an, a branding opportunity. It wasn't
• 1:00:54
  the leagues themselves that necessarily wanted to bring in the women. It was the advertiser.
• 1:00:58
  Can I, um, actually bring up something that's actually interesting that's going on in the chat.
• 1:01:01
  So one guy, Steve is asking questions and funny enough, my mom's actually answering for him.
• 1:01:05
  And the question he asked initially was along the lines of like, how much was my father involved in
• 1:01:09
  my, the answer is my father was not involved at all outside of driving me to certain games. And
• 1:01:14
  that was about it. Um, my dad was not a very athletic dude. He loved sports. He definitely
• 1:01:18
  loved baseball more than just about anything, but I cannot stress this enough. I was a major
• 1:01:23
  leaguer because of my mom, Terry Decker, my dad, no, almost had nothing to do with it. My dad was
• 1:01:30
  a big supporter. My mom was the entire driving force behind all of it. She got me the coaching I
• 1:01:38
  needed. She traveled with me all over the place. Even in pro ball, she traveled with me all over
• 1:01:42
  the place. Like I can't stress enough. This was, if, if we were going percentages on who made me
• 1:01:48
  a big leaguer between my parents, it would be 90% Terry and 10% Jay. It just would be, uh,
• 1:01:54
  it, it, it's just fact. I don't know what else to tell you. Well, it's, you know, my, it's funny
• 1:01:59
  because my, my dad was a massive, but it might've been the biggest sports fan alive. Like he was
• 1:02:03
  one, but he also had that, he had that, um, computer brain. My dad had more like the nostalgic
• 1:02:09
  brain. So my dad gave me a lot of love for baseball in certain ways, but in a lot of ways,
• 1:02:14
  in fact, I loved watching baseball with him, but the actual physical aspect of baseball,
• 1:02:18
  my father had, when I say almost nothing to do with it, it's just, it's so crazy because my dad,
• 1:02:24
  had he been alive, would have like freaked out that I was doing a show and whatever with a
• 1:02:31
  baseball player. Like that was like, he loved baseball. He played baseball. He was very athletic.
• 1:02:35
  He never got to like go and play. I mean, he, he was an alcoholic, very young. So things started,
• 1:02:40
  but he was an incredible, um, sports mind, the stats, the players, everything dating. I mean,
• 1:02:47
  he was one of those people, the annoying people that you're like, and this was before the internet,
• 1:02:50
  I get, I'm one of those people. And this was before the internet, right. When it was like
• 1:02:54
  all newspapers and fucking radio, right. You exactly. So he would have loved that. And like,
• 1:03:01
  to the point where he has, we have a red socks cap engraved on his headstone, like this motherfucker.
• 1:03:08
  And so like, he, he is the kind of person that I could envision being like, have you,
• 1:03:15
  have you been watching the fucking, you know, Liberty, you know, like, because he loves sports
• 1:03:21
  and a new sport to love would have been a dream. That's a real sports fan. It's just like a new
• 1:03:27
  league, a new sport, a new team, a new group of players to get all new stats to memorize.
• 1:03:34
  He would have been in the chat being like, tell Cody, he got that one wrong. You know,
• 1:03:37
  that would have his favorite shit ever. So real, uh, you know, I did, I lost my dad young,
• 1:03:42
  but real sports fans love the opportunity to love something. And I've always said that like,
• 1:03:48
  I can get into anything. I will sit on, I will sit on the, uh, on TV and watch competitive tag.
• 1:03:54
  You know, sometimes they'll have that on ESPN. They'll have like some like random shit that
• 1:03:58
  you've never seen before. I'll get into it because I like, I love to love something competitive.
• 1:04:03
  If I wanted to sell out, if I'd wanted to do the thing and just be the person who was getting paid
• 1:04:09
  for this, I wouldn't get to do what I love. Of course. Look at us, look at us, look at us getting
• 1:04:13
  along again. Finally, you're wrong about referees, but man, we're on the same page. I've never been
• 1:04:18
  wrong in my life and I'm not starting today. Um, we got through media corner. I made the executive
• 1:04:23
  decision to skip a, a, a media corner, which I think was the right call because we have to get
• 1:04:27
  to a Hill. I'm dying on. I need to hear this because I I've had enough. I Cody, we, we need
• 1:04:35
  to take a full year break from making new TV shows. We need, we need no, I am dying on the
• 1:04:45
  Hill that we should not make a single new TV show for an entire calendar year because there's too
• 1:04:52
  much television and there is so much good stuff that is not being watched.
• 1:04:58
  That is not being talked about. That is not being awarded. That's not being discussed
• 1:05:02
  because there's just too much. Now, is this a wildly hypothetical and not going to happen? Of
• 1:05:07
  course, but that doesn't mean I'm not dying on the Hill that we should, this is a should situation.
• 1:05:11
  And I'm saying we should, I current, I just watched the season premiere of one of the best
• 1:05:18
  shows I've ever watched in my life for all mankind. I haven't watched yet. And it is on my
• 1:05:25
  list. I will watch it. I'm a big fan of Joel Kinnaman. He's become an actor that I do really
• 1:05:32
  fucking good. So this is the thing is Chris, Chris, I watched this on my own. Chris pops in on like
• 1:05:38
  season while I'm rewatching season four to prepare for season five. And he's like, I really like this
• 1:05:42
  guy, blah, blah, blah. But no, he's in. So like, I don't want to spoil too much, but like he makes
• 1:05:50
  the, this season does a lot of jumping ahead to different decades. And so he is playing a man in
• 1:05:58
  his sixties. So he's got all this makeup on Chris. Didn't recognize it was Joel Kinnaman. Oh,
• 1:06:02
  really? And he was like, I love this guy. I love this character. I was like, oh yeah, it's like,
• 1:06:06
  he was like, what? Yeah, that's Rick flagged it, but he could, you can't like, he knows who Joel
• 1:06:11
  Kinnaman is, but the acting was so good. He was acting like an old man. Like he was like moving
• 1:06:14
  like an old man and he had makeup on and he was talking like an old man. And I was like, that's
• 1:06:18
  because this guy's acting his goddamn ass off. And no one knows Joel Kinnaman can do this shit
• 1:06:22
  because no one's watching this goddamn show. By the way, some of the most incredible space, like,
• 1:06:27
  I mean, you know, space movies, TV is like some of the most beautiful visual stuff.
• 1:06:32
  Project Hail Mary right now in theaters, apparently stunning. And that's why I think
• 1:06:35
  for all mankind is something that like people should be checking out because we're talking a
• 1:06:39
  lot about space movies. I'm so we're going to see from it. Actually, maybe we could, uh,
• 1:06:44
  maybe we all go together. Let's do it because we need to see how it is.
• 1:06:49
  Plans made after this, but this show is beautiful. They're putting so much time and effort and money
• 1:06:55
  into this. They have been, uh, this show has been on since I think that season one was gonna be
• 1:07:00
  like 2019, but like, and it's been, they sometimes have to go years in between seasons because it's
• 1:07:04
  a big, a big show. They're going to do a season six, a season six, and that's gonna be the end
• 1:07:09
  of the show. But this is like one of the most insane, beautiful, well-done iconic cinematic
• 1:07:16
  shows being made and nobody's watching it. And there are a lot of things that like I'm catching
• 1:07:22
  up on like season three of hacks right now. And they're preparing for season five. I love hacks.
• 1:07:28
  I like, I can't keep up. And so like, I am just tired of knowing there's so much good stuff out
• 1:07:35
  there that I can't keep up on. And I just want a like, I, I want what I want. You know what I want?
• 1:07:45
  I want COVID without the pandemic. I get it. I want everything to slow down for like five,
• 1:07:51
  five months or a year or two years just for us to catch up. Now I would like it without
• 1:07:59
  millions of people dying from a horrific virus. That'd be nice. I would like a situation where we
• 1:08:06
  all just clock in on Tiger King real quick, then catch up. That's the first, you know what happened
• 1:08:13
  during that was when I finally got to watch Justified. I'd never watched, have you ever
• 1:08:18
  watched Justified? It's fine. I love Justified. I don't love it. I think season two of Justified
• 1:08:24
  is one of the best television. See, if I, if I were to tell you FX shows, like of the time where
• 1:08:28
  FX was just putting out just quality work. Breaking Bad. Oh my God. Well, that was AMC.
• 1:08:33
  No FX. Honestly, I think the best show FX ever put out is actually two shows. Wait,
• 1:08:37
  hold on. We might, am I in on this with you? Because I have a show. Oh no, it wasn't FX.
• 1:08:41
  It was a Sundance channel. Nevermind. What was it? It was, um, can't remember the name of it.
• 1:08:45
  I would suggest going back and watching The Shield starring Michael Chiklis. Obviously,
• 1:08:50
  The Shield. And Walton Goggins. Yeah, my mom loves The Shield. Is it my mom that loves The
• 1:08:54
  Shield or is it Chris? Boy, oh boy. The Shield was magnificent television, magnificent writing,
• 1:09:01
  magnificent acting. And also, I'm only going to say this about the first two seasons,
• 1:09:07
  Nip Tuck, season one and two. Oh, I can't watch Nip Tuck because I get grossed out by
• 1:09:10
  Nip Tuck. Okay, I get that. But I got to tell you, season one and two was like truly groundbreaking
• 1:09:15
  television at the time. I'm trying, I know Nip Tuck, like that was when we were in college,
• 1:09:20
  right? Like that age. High school and college, right around that age, yeah. It was, it was,
• 1:09:24
  and it was truly breathtaking stuff. Julia McMahon, who is sadly no longer with us,
• 1:09:29
  was really phenomenal as Dr. Christian Troy. Did you ever watch the show Rectify? Yes.
• 1:09:35
  Love that show. No one watched it. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen. No one watched it.
• 1:09:40
  Listen, I think this is a fair hill to die on. I do not think we should just stop all television
• 1:09:44
  production. Why not? Because I think. No, every, in my, in my hill I'm dying on fake universe.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah. Everybody gets, everybody gets. Everybody gets paid for this. Yeah, it's. It's a furlough.
• 1:09:56
  A furlough, or what's it called when you take a sabbatical. Yes. And like you're able to like
• 1:10:00
  live on whatever. Yeah. I would love this universe. Okay, here's the hill I'm dying on.
• 1:10:05
  I love wings. That's not the hill I'm dying on. That's it. The hill I'm dying on is this.
• 1:10:10
  I love a certain type of wing. I fucking hate flats. I'm sorry. Flats. I hate them. I fucking
• 1:10:17
  hate them. You have to understand why there is a practical reason. I am so upset. You're going to
• 1:10:26
  hear me. No, you're going to say that it has less meat and I hate you. Wrong. Not what I'm saying.
• 1:10:30
  Okay. Has nothing to do with the meat content. I'm well aware that the flat has just as much
• 1:10:34
  meat as the drumstick. And in some cases, maybe even more. I want to eat the microphone. I'm so
• 1:10:39
  tired of arguing with you. I don't like this. There is a practical reason. Okay. Daddy has a
• 1:10:45
  beard. And daddy, when he goes out to a bar, he cannot be sitting around trying to get in
• 1:10:49
  deep into this thing. And now I'm just getting sauce all over my beard. It gets trapped there.
• 1:10:53
  It's gross. At least you're not dipping it in ranch. Ranch is disgusting. By the way, people
• 1:10:58
  love our ranch. They're because it's right. Ranch is gross. If you like ranch, you're fucked up.
• 1:11:03
  Anyways. Um, the flats are just, it's just messy. It's a practical matter for me. I have a beard.
• 1:11:09
  It gets all over the place. I didn't struggle enough with the drumstick itself. I was going
• 1:11:12
  to say, I don't, so I'm not, I think I need, so I'm married to a beard man, much bigger beard
• 1:11:17
  than you for now. I vote. That's because I just got a trim to the other day. No dude. You know
• 1:11:22
  what I do with this beard? This beard gets larger than charge. I keep it trimmed because I got to
• 1:11:27
  interest. This is not a beard contest. It sounds like if you threatened my beard,
• 1:11:32
  what I'm saying is I'm a man. I'm 40. All I was saying is that it's a much bigger beard. So
• 1:11:39
  there's a lot of the same issue is happening. And what I'm saying is he's never expressed this issue
• 1:11:44
  to me. Wait a second. What are you talking about? Cody? Let me show you the umbrella method dog.
• 1:11:51
  I'll change your talk to me, bro. Wait, what's the umbrella? I don't know. Talk to me goose.
• 1:11:56
  I'm listening. Fucking send me a video because you like antihero baseball and Instagram. I want
• 1:12:01
  to fucking see whatever this umbrella method is. I'm listening. Do you like a, do you like a flat?
• 1:12:06
  I like the taste of a flat. It's a, it's a wing covered in buffalo sauce. I'm on board. You would
• 1:12:10
  like the ability to eat a flat where it presented to you, but it's, it's just difficult. But I,
• 1:12:14
  even I like, listen, I can't, I'm not that guy. I'm not using forks on my wings and I have to,
• 1:12:19
  I'd have to carve out the flat and I'm not going to do that. What kind of sociopath? No,
• 1:12:23
  I'm agreeing with you. I refuse to be that guy, but you're leaving me no fucking discourse.
• 1:12:30
  I'm trying to figure out, is it a mustache? More than both? Like you got to, I have, you know,
• 1:12:35
  I have the method where I always break it and I go piece by piece now, but I got to say I,
• 1:12:39
  it's just messy. I just, what I, I'm not even saying you're wrong. What I'm saying is I feel
• 1:12:47
  like the drumstick is, would be more messy. I'm shocked to hear that the flat is the bigger issue
• 1:12:53
  for you. Flat is a massively, massively bigger issue for me. And it always has. I am so excited
• 1:12:59
  to run this by my husband with a much bigger beard. I am. I am getting real sick and tired
• 1:13:05
  of you besmirching what is magnificent. I don't have a lot. It is lady. I don't have a lot in
• 1:13:12
  life. No, I got, I got sweet arms and a beard. That's all I got. What I'm going to say is your
• 1:13:17
  beard is magnificently manicured. A little fucking late for that. No, it's really manicured. My
• 1:13:22
  husband's beard. No, I said bigger, not better. And you heard that? You heard that Chris? She
• 1:13:28
  said it. She said it's not always better. It's the shape. Is it the shape? Yeah. I do have a
• 1:13:37
  good shape and we're all talking about beards and penises. Anyway, that's the hill I'm dying on.
• 1:13:46
  Uh, it's, it's stress. Send me a video. I'm listening. He said, you can listen to me and
• 1:13:53
  Tonya will trust me. Yeah, no, that's, that's not my guy. A hundred percent. We're trusting stress.
• 1:13:57
  He says, I'll send a video. It's the only way wings. Dude, send him my way. I'm willing to
• 1:14:02
  make an adjustment. If you, if you can unfuck up the beard with this, I'm, I'm on board dude.
• 1:14:08
  Cause I, I want to eat flats. It's just so much fucking work to eat flats. I didn't know this.
• 1:14:14
  I'm now, I feel like, have I been overlooking this issue for bearded men? Yes, you have. And
• 1:14:20
  you're not understanding our plight. We are a very undervalued people, bearded white men.
• 1:14:28
  Well, listen, Chris isn't quite white. So, you know, he's, he's blended. He's a blend. He's a
• 1:14:36
  very handsome man. Well, guess who's going to talk to Chris later. Stop Chris. I'm mad. I don't know.
• 1:14:47
  He's going to be very confused about your conversation when he gets home. I need to,
• 1:14:55
  I need to not drink as much wine on a Monday as my problem. Well, too bad it's too late. You did
• 1:14:59
  it guys. This has been a very fun show. Me and Tanya yelled at each other. We found common
• 1:15:04
  ground at other times. And most importantly, you guys are here along the way of the entire time.
• 1:15:09
  Can I just say real quick, this is our first show we've done on Instagram. We were going to do more
• 1:15:13
  of these on Instagram. We're going to open it up to more publications. We're going to end up on
• 1:15:16
  Twitch at some point. We're going to end up on Twitch soon. Yeah. I'd actually maybe look out
• 1:15:20
  for maybe it's going to be on Tanya's as you see right now on her Instagram. I'm looking to maybe
• 1:15:25
  put it on my Twitter as well. Get as many views as we possibly get. We just want you guys to help
• 1:15:30
  us grow this show, like, share, and subscribe wherever you hear podcasts. And of course,
• 1:15:33
  right here on YouTube, stay abreast of everything we're doing on Tanya's page as well. She's doing
• 1:15:38
  a phenomenal job putting her stuff out there and just like, share, subscribe. And by stuff,
• 1:15:42
  we mean knees. Mostly knees. Yeah. Sexy, sexy knees. I'm going to post a knee post tomorrow.
• 1:15:47
  Hot knee in my videos. And that's kind of what we're talking about. I posted a shirtless photo
• 1:15:52
  yesterday. Yeah. And Cody did post a shirtless photo yesterday, which I thought was great. He
• 1:15:57
  was taking one for the team, thirst trapping. One thing about us, occasionally we're going to
• 1:16:01
  thirst trap. The show is going to be changing the title. It's no longer going to be the
• 1:16:05
  regular thirst trappers. Join us on Friday for the regulars and the thirst trappers.
• 1:16:11
  And we went long, so we didn't get to talk about the bloody socks.
• 1:16:15
  Because I already cut out another segment. So like, we can't get to the bloody sock at this
• 1:16:19
  point. At some point we will. And at some point we will get to, I actually think we could probably
• 1:16:24
  bring on some guests for that. So maybe that's something that we plan, bring on some guests.
• 1:16:29
  Genuinely, I actually think we should do that. We should have like a panel show for the bloody
• 1:16:33
  sock argument. You collect your side, I collect mine. Deal. All this will not be hard. And one
• 1:16:37
  thing we will make sure is that every single one of our guests knows that we all agree that it's
• 1:16:44
  fuck Curt Schilling forever. Fuck Curt Schilling forever.