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#2540 - Travis Barker · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: Jo podcast. Check it out Joe Experience, Train My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan podcast, By Night, All Day's It's good to see brother.
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  Speaker 1: What's cracking to be seeing man?
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  Speaker 2: Stuck to be here, stoked to have you? Mane, what
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  Speaker 2: a fucking cute kid you have, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. He's the best man, So.
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  Speaker 2: He loves you. When we're trying to put him down,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, no, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think it's because I just spent We just went to
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  Speaker 1: uh Utah and I had three or five days with him,
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  Speaker 1: just like a lot of time with him, and he
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  Speaker 1: has separation anxiety from me as I do with him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the best man.
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  Speaker 2: And people that don't have kids, it's like you don't
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  Speaker 2: understand the level of love that you have for them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's really crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Or people who have kids and don't hang out with
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  Speaker 1: their kids like that. I just I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it either.
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  Speaker 1: I'll spend every second I can with my kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's weird that people maybe something that
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  Speaker 2: happened to them when they're young or something. I don't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so what's cracking? What's the latest?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my dock came out today today, So yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 1: long time coming. What was that experience like, well, the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of it was was shortly after my book came out,
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  Speaker 1: so I kind of understood why people wanted a dock
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  Speaker 1: from me at that point, and I was honored and
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  Speaker 1: I was flattered, and I was, you know, going down
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  Speaker 1: the journey of filming this dock, but it didn't really
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  Speaker 1: have an ending. I guess the light at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the tunnel during that time around twenty seventeen was
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  Speaker 1: that I was sober and I survived a plane crash,
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  Speaker 1: but really I was struggling with ever flying again, struggling
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  Speaker 1: with survivor's guilt, struggling with a lot of stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: at the time the directors had mentioned to me like
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  Speaker 1: can you just look at a plane or act like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to go fly in a plane or walk
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  Speaker 1: towards a plane. I was like, fuck, no, I would never.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even consider it. I can't even do it
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  Speaker 1: for you for for like fantasy purposes for the end
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  Speaker 1: of this doc you know. And I think that's set
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  Speaker 1: in after a while where I had to acknowledge and
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  Speaker 1: and and just understand I was I was afraid to
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  Speaker 1: ever fly agin And this thing had huge power over
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  Speaker 1: me to the point where it you know, it dictated
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  Speaker 1: how I got on tour. How many days I'd travel
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  Speaker 1: on bus to New York, how many days I'd be
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  Speaker 1: on the Queen Mary Too going to England.
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  Speaker 2: How long would that take?
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  Speaker 1: Oh dude, so long?
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  Speaker 2: The England one's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Comfortably on the bus from here to New York, probably
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  Speaker 1: six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels,
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  Speaker 1: and you know I tour with my kids, you know,
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  Speaker 1: their whole life, so stopping and doing some cool stuff
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  Speaker 1: for them, six seven days and then a ten day
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  Speaker 1: boat ride from New York to the Hamptons fuck crazy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, my band would leave, they'd be in England
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  Speaker 1: in ten hours whatever. It would take me three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It sucked. And then sometimes I'd be on the Queen
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  Speaker 1: Mary Too and we'd have wild weather, thirty foot waves,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy mile per hour winds, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, is this any better than being on a plane.
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  Speaker 3: But the ocean freaks me out? Yeah, it started to
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  Speaker 3: in particularly, they freaked me out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We got into a couple storms on one of the
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  Speaker 1: Transatlantic crossings that yeah, believe me, like something was festering
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  Speaker 1: inside where I had this urge to try to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what had this power over me, which was flying.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, well it's totally understandable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about it every day after a certain point.
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  Speaker 1: And then plus my kids, you know, they grew up
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  Speaker 1: not flying. They they grew up associating a plane to
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  Speaker 1: a metal container where people die. I think, you know, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what happened, you know, to my two best
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  Speaker 1: friends and the two pilots who were on my plane.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was, it was, It was hard. And
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  Speaker 1: then I knew the day I did it, I could
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  Speaker 1: show them that they could also do it and it
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  Speaker 1: would probably break the the trauma and the spell that
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  Speaker 1: my my accident caused, however many years ago. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think after my accident and that whole process, I
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  Speaker 1: just everything people said I couldn't do after that, I
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  Speaker 1: would just check them off one by one. Oh you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to run again. Oh you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: play the drums again. Oh you're not You're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: do this again. And uh, And the one that I
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  Speaker 1: gave myself, the restriction I gave myself is I'd never
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  Speaker 1: fly agin, you know, and I broke it and I
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  Speaker 1: fly again.
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  Speaker 2: And how many years did it take you before you
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  Speaker 2: got on a plane again?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty And I even think back to that, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: twenty years. I lost twenty years with this thing having
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  Speaker 1: power over me. But it just it was like a monster.
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  Speaker 1: It kept getting bigger and bigger, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you gotta look at it, like in terms of
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  Speaker 2: the odds, you survived a plane crash, which is the
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  Speaker 2: odds of that are astronomical. The odds are you getting
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  Speaker 2: in another plane crash are super low. Yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite
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  Speaker 2: because you've actually experienced it, so you know what it is, like,
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is a real possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that now because my son, who's
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, he doesn't love to fly, and I always say, like,
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  Speaker 1: we just worry. In Utah and I took a flight,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he ended up driving, and I was like, son,
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  Speaker 1: that's way more dangerous, Like fly with me. I'm never
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  Speaker 1: gonna put you on a plane that I think is unsafe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great. The
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  Speaker 1: planes had maintenance whatever else.
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  Speaker 2: How do you check all that stuff?
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  Speaker 1: Well, just if we're flying private, you're able to, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, really make sure it's a great plane. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: even we'll fly on like someone's plane that we know,
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  Speaker 1: so that makes me feel better. But yeah, he just
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  Speaker 1: drove sixteen hours round trip. I was like, son, that's
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  Speaker 1: way more dangerous it is. But yeah, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: tell myself. And I just got to have faith. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what was.
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  Speaker 2: The first plane trip like after twenty years?
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  Speaker 1: It was nothing like I'd imagined it. I I made
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  Speaker 1: a deal with my wife and I just said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if there's ever somewhere we can't go because she was
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  Speaker 1: a champ man, she was on tour buses with me,
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  Speaker 1: she was on whatever, just you know, going kind of
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  Speaker 1: close by for trips that we'd go on. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: if there's ever a trip that you want us to
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  Speaker 1: go on that I need to fly, just don't tell me,
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  Speaker 1: and tell the night before and let's leave in the
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  Speaker 1: morning and I'm gonna do it. So that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: And the flight was awesome, had contained none of the
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  Speaker 1: awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that
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  Speaker 1: it would be like over the years, and yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think I just needed a positive experience to cancel the
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  Speaker 1: last bad one that I had. Yeah, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that helped a lot. And I think I think also
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  Speaker 1: coming to terms with being so close to my godson
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  Speaker 1: who was my assistant's son who passed away in my
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  Speaker 1: plane crash, and his mom and Chay's mom, and just
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  Speaker 1: knowing that there was no there was no hard feelings
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  Speaker 1: and the survivor's guild I was feeling was was my own.
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  Speaker 1: And to just think about them and if the roles
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  Speaker 1: were reversed, would they want me to really just sit
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  Speaker 1: around not flying again, or have this thing have power
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  Speaker 1: over me? Or if I was in their shoes, what
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  Speaker 1: I want that for them? Like? Of course not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's an experience that so few people ever have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine what it's like, especially losing
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  Speaker 2: your friends, and yeah, the trauma of the actual impact,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing just stuck in your head.
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  Speaker 1: It's Yeah. I mean, to this day, I always like,
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  Speaker 1: my wife's a great flyer. My band they're all good flying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think they can my wife can probably
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  Speaker 1: envision a trip, plan a trip, envision how rad it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be. How cool it's going to be doing rock
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  Speaker 1: climbing or whatever we're gonna do. All I can think
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  Speaker 1: about until I get there is like, am I gonna
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  Speaker 1: make it? Is? Is this gonna You know, I did
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  Speaker 1: this once and I almost died, so you know, I
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  Speaker 1: had just stop that pattern of thinking. To the best
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  Speaker 1: of my ability. It still happens a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: I still can't. I have trouble booking planes, trouble booking
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  Speaker 1: flights without thinking of those things.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I can only imagine, Well, it's awesome
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  Speaker 2: that you got through it and got over it and
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  Speaker 2: did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration
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  Speaker 2: from that. Yeah, and just realized like, hey, maybe you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe for them it was a car accident or a
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  Speaker 2: bus accident or whatever. It is, like you can keep moving.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I at the time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: am Am survived with me, and then he lived for
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  Speaker 1: another year and passed away with a drug overdose. But
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: during that time, where after I'd gotten out of the
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  Speaker 1: burn center and did most of my recovery, it was
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  Speaker 1: hard to find anyone who had been in a plane
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  Speaker 1: crash that was severely burnt, like you know, and lost people.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of there's a lot of groups
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people that like support systems for
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  Speaker 1: people who had were grieving and lost someone in a
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  Speaker 1: plane crash, you know. So it was kind of just
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  Speaker 1: lonely trying to navigate figure it out. Just recently, just
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  Speaker 1: like a few days ago, before my dot came out,
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  Speaker 1: someone kept tagging me and I saw it. It's this
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  Speaker 1: young lady named Riva. She had a similar experience where
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  Speaker 1: she was in a plane crash. Fifty percent of her
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  Speaker 1: body was burnt and she lost her mom in the
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  Speaker 1: plane crash. I was like, this is really similar to me,
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  Speaker 1: and I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind
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  Speaker 1: of the same experience. So I flew her out and
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  Speaker 1: she was at my premiere and it was just it
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  Speaker 1: was just cool, And I said, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: just as cool for me to meet you as for
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  Speaker 1: you to meet me. Like this is I don't see
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  Speaker 1: anyone or meet anyone like you, you know. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very cool human experience. Yeah, I'll just share
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  Speaker 2: it with somebody and realize, like you've both been through
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  Speaker 2: something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other
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  Speaker 2: side and be comfort in each other.
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  Speaker 1: I think the closest thing that I came to that
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  Speaker 1: was right after my accident and I was out to dinner.
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  Speaker 1: The guy who flew the plane and landed in the river,
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  Speaker 1: remember that. Yeah, he came up and shook my hand
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  Speaker 1: at dinner. Didn't say a word to me, but I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, that's awesome. You know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: bad story.
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  Speaker 3: Is fucking crazy crazy birds? Yeah, birds took the plane down. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you would think they would have figured that out by now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the smallest error. You know, it's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, finds weird. But I preferred over the boat.
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  Speaker 1: M hm.
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  Speaker 2: The boat thing.
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  Speaker 1: You got to Queen Mary's Wild. There's a morg on
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  Speaker 1: there too, because yeah, most people that are on there
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  Speaker 1: are eighty years old and they're doing their one Transatlantic
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  Speaker 1: crossing and so some of them die, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of I think every trans Atlantic crossing.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm on there with my crew and my assistant,
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  Speaker 1: my tour manager. It's like, yep, someone past.
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  Speaker 2: You know, wow. A morgue on the boat.
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  Speaker 1: A morgue on the boat.
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  Speaker 2: There's a morg a jail a jail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a jail.
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  Speaker 2: How many people are on the Queen Mary Too thousands?
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  Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, I mean if someone pops off on the boat,
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  Speaker 1: they got it. You know, there's there's police. It's legit.
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  Speaker 1: It's legit.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole experience. They almost celebrate when you're crossing
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  Speaker 1: the Titanic where the Titanic sits there, they're like playing
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  Speaker 1: the movie on the ship. They're now like this is
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  Speaker 1: this is just different? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Fuck that? Yeah, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: But it was honestly, I would I would practice all day.
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  Speaker 1: I would practice all day. I would run miles across
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  Speaker 1: the ship just on the outside of the ship. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cool, cool times on the boat as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you usually fly to tour you land.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I do now, and it's like go where
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  Speaker 1: I would just train every day, play drums four hours
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  Speaker 1: a day, run two hours a day. By the time
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  Speaker 1: I got ready, you know, to where I was going,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so ready for tour. It's like whatever
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  Speaker 1: whatever life throws at me, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary Too getting
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  Speaker 2: across in ten days. That's got to be like way
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  Speaker 2: fit faster. Than the old boats used to do it, right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, You're going so slow it just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't even look like you're moving. Sometimes you're like, are
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  Speaker 1: you serious. You don't see shit for ten days, just water.
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  Speaker 1: Once in a while, you'll start seeing birds when you
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  Speaker 1: know you're getting close to land. But other than that, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: How many times have you done that trip?
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  Speaker 1: Seven? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'd rather fly for sure. It's
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  Speaker 2: just the idea of something going wrong in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I started to think about it. You're fucked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're fucked.
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  Speaker 1: There's no place to land a helicopter on there.
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  Speaker 2: How does someone even get to you. It's a middle
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  Speaker 2: it's thousands of miles out to sea. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Both suck to me. Right, Falling out of the sky
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  Speaker 1: in a plane crashing into the ocean sucks. Also, being
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  Speaker 1: sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people fending
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  Speaker 1: for their lives sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I've just watched too many boat videos of like them
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  Speaker 2: navigating insane waves that look like like a building coming
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  Speaker 2: at them.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I was in it, Yeah, we were in it.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think we had We lost a couple
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  Speaker 1: of windows in the ship and you're basically confined to
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  Speaker 1: your room, but huge where you just see the boat
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  Speaker 1: go up and then you go crashing down and you're
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're four or five days into the trips.
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  Speaker 1: You still got You're in the middle of your crossing.
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  Speaker 2: What does that feel like? A giant boat with thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people sucks?
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  Speaker 1: The Internet goes out usually on the boat and you're
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  Speaker 1: just watching something in your room, just waiting for everything
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  Speaker 1: to get more calm.
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  Speaker 2: How big were these waves?
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  Speaker 1: I think we were in thirty five foot waves? Oh yeah, like, yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It looks exactly like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this freaks me out. Man. Yeah, it's like something
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  Speaker 2: when they this is not that bad. How much the
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  Speaker 2: boats moving though?
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  Speaker 1: This is the hurricane force Windsors says, Yeah, that's like
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  Speaker 1: choppy weather. I mean there's positives too. We saw the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Lights from our cruise one time and it was like,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make a trip to somewhere like
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  Speaker 2: Norway or wherever you can see it like this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I almost did that one time. I almost went on
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  Speaker 1: a not a passenger ship, but a cargo ship because
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to find ways to get to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: You were gonna go to austree.
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  Speaker 1: You told me about it. You know, Els doesn't fly
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  Speaker 1: and was on the Queen Mary twice with me. Was
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  Speaker 1: KRS one really Yep? He was like I'm right there
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  Speaker 1: with you traveling. I was like, did something you know
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  Speaker 1: happen to you were why you just confined to being
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  Speaker 1: on ships? He's like, no, I just don't like flying.
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  Speaker 1: So him and his family. Actually, he had told me
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  Speaker 1: about the cargo ship for some of the other places
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  Speaker 1: that didn't have actual cruises.
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  Speaker 2: How long does a boat ride to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, month? I think it's a month. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: never went. I never went. The plane fight is hard
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  Speaker 1: enough twenty something hours or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck that fuck a month, which just makes you
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  Speaker 2: really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people
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  Speaker 2: that just took off on canoes and made it across
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  Speaker 2: the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the people that ask people that do
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  Speaker 1: it by themselves just here to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of those people. Yeah. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know a dude who just did that. But that's I
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  Speaker 2: mean the people back when there was no internet, back
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  Speaker 2: when there was no newspapers or no nothing. Like the
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  Speaker 2: Polynesian people that just got on boats made it to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: Insane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like did you have what? What was Plan B?
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  Speaker 2: What's you know? What do you do if you're out?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you getting water? How do you how are
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  Speaker 2: you staying alive? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think Plan B is making Plan A work.
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  Speaker 2: That. Yeah, that's it, there is no plan. But how
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: bad does life suck that you're willing to get in
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: a boat and just hope there's some food when you land?
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And they didn't have big boats either, so what what
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the fuck were the waves like for them? Also, no
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: no weather app on the iPhone. You have no idea,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: what's coming, zero idea, what's waiting for you? And you
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: know you're with your family and you're paddling out there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the unknown, absolutely unknown.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And then how do you get back or do you
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: or do you just say well, this is where we are.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I mean it must have taken months and months and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: months to get out there. How do they stay alive?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Like human ingenuity, Like people's ability to thrive and survive
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: is pretty insane when pushed to the limits.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like people. I have a friend who fasts half
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of the year. He's just drinking juice and water for
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: six months, one hundred and sixty days a year. He
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: does it every year. How he's a chef. You though
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: he's a chef. He's actually a chef that took a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: vowel silence thirty years ago, a plant based raw chef.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And for half of the year he doesn't eat. He
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: just fasts, and it's more for like health reasons like
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: cleansing and and to prevent disease whatever else. But he
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: gets really thin and then just goes back to his
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: normal weight the second half of the year.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's good.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know either. But who told you he does
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it every year? He might not even he might it
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: might not even be good, or so he just does
• 18:58
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  Speaker 2: just eating nothing but juice for six months is good
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard enough time fasting a day before
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: surgery or something. You know.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: eating a lot of carbohydrates or not. Yeah, if you're
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier. Your body
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  Speaker 2: just immediately goes to burning fat and your your appetite
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: is not as strong. It's not as insane a pole
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the gravity of it. But I can't even imagine why
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you would do that fast for six months. Like, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: for three days and five days and things along those
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: lines is good causes autophagy makes your body clean out
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: bad cells. It's very good for people that are recovering
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: first things a lot of doctors tell you. Get on
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: a ketogenic diet and fast because cancer cells want glucose.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That's what they want to survive, and you starve them.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And when you're your bodies like on a carbon you're
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: still on a plant based diet, so your body's eating
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: mostly carbohydrates all the time, so get you have to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: kind of refuel all the time. It gets used to it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So when someone like you takes a day off of food,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it's like the pole of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: It's a lot.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I eat so much protein though. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like mock meats. So like all all my blood work
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that I do, my protein is top notch. Yeah. You
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: kind of figured it out though, too, Like there's a
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: lot of I mean there's a lot of junk food
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: meat eaters, a lot of junk food vegans. It's about
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: dialing your shitt in, you know what I mean, and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: figuring it out.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: But even you, when you were recovering for your burns,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you started eating meat.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Well, because I had doctors that were super old school
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: in the in the in the hospital with me that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to feed me a bunch of meat and they stuck
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a hose down my throat and that just sucked.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So they stuck a hose down your throat.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: To feed you like that because I was like secretly
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just eating kind of like what I wanted, but not
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: eating a bunch of the meat because I told him
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I don't really meat. So there was like a miscommunication
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: where they just put a hose down my throat and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: we're feeding me like that. And then during that time,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: one of my nurses was super cool and he started
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: making me bags of beef jerky, So I would eat
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: they wanted me to have, and then down peanut butter
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: blast smoothie from what is that? Is it roebucks or
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: something like that, like one of those, and it's three
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: thousand calories, so I was averaging. I basically had I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: had a six to seven thousand calorie diet. I needed
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to hit every day, wow, in order to heal because
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I had just had thirty surgeries in six months. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it was just just trying to to get.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Enough just thirty times. Being anesthetize for six months is
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: fucking hard on your body.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was. I was so out of it. I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: didn't really know until towards the end, you know, but but.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, jeez, man, did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it after.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: You know, my.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Best friend that was in the accident with me, am
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: was he was I think six percent of his body
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was burnt and he went in the hyperbaric and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: think he had a small graft on the back of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: his head. He was out of the hospital a week
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and a half. But I had seventy percent of my
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: body burnt. So there was no way I was getting
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: out of the hospital no matter how much I did
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it or didn't do it. I tried doing it, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I was just in such a awful place after my
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: accident where I was. I had so much trauma with
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: like losing my best friends, and I was definitely my
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: reaction was much different than Adams, and I couldn't. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: couldn't go on the small tube. There was no way.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think at the time it reminded me too much
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of the inside of the plane.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just felt really claustrophobic. And I was also
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: having a hell of a time. Am was sober, sober
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: for fifteen years.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: What happened.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I was a drug addict, you know, before my plane crash.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And you take a person who's self medicating, put them
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: through thirty surgeries, give them a bunch of pain meds
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and they're not working. That was me. So I was
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: waking up every surgery dreaming, swinging on doctors. Oh complete madman,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you know, until until they weaned me off. And by
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the time I got out of there, I was I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: never wanted to put anything in my body again. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with all my doctors and
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: doctor Grossman, who owns the Burn Center, the Grossman Burn Center.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was full circle.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my that was my That was my rehab.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, m fuck, dude, that has to be mean. You're
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: confined to a bed, You're stuck, they're giving you pain medications,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you're going through thirty surgeries, you have seventy percent of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: your body burnt, your friends just died, and you're in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: this hospital by yourself.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Huge wake up call.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Why the fucking what a wild ride your mind must
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: have been going through.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I was coming home from
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: a show. I was coming home from a gig, and yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: who would think you'd get in get in a plane
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: coming home from a show and you're going to end
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: up in a burn center for six months. You know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: four people are gone and seventy percent of your body's
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: burns takes a minute to process.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You know, why did they think you were never going
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to be able to play the drums again?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a point where they were going to
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: amputate my foot because they didn't think they could. They
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: could they they had enough skin left to heal my
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: foot or save it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Because of the amount of burns I had over my body,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: they weren't they weren't positive I was even going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: make it. So it was like once they knew I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: was out of critical condition and I was going to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: make it. They were you know, all my nerves were
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: messed up in my hands, like my owner nerve was
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: shot in both hands. My hands were numb. There was
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of It's just the unknown, you know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine. I think it sucks that you
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: couldn't use the hyper bearer because it definitely accelerates healing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even now I go in. I go in sometimes.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Now there's a hyperbaric in Los Angeles that seats two people,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and that's perfect for me. It's just like I could
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: stay in there for two hours and I'm fine.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It's just a confined space thing for you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love it still, but I do it. Yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: but I've never been through what.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You know, what the mind fuck is is that the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: like okay, I'm done, they're like seven minutes, eight minutes
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: whatever while we do pressurize it. I think that's that's
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: why I just feel better in the two seater.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, fuck dude, what now, when
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: you're doing this documentary, are you. Does it relive all
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff for you every time?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so excited to come on this with
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you because I'm like, I'm gonna talk fights with Joe,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk whatever, cars, whatever, could do that. But
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: some of them have been I mean, they've all been great.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But I mean, to tell the truth, I think since
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why, but maybe since I was a kid.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I lost my mom at a young age,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like thirteen, Like I could a stranger could come up
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to me outside this place and be like, dude, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: just lost my dad, and I'd probably start bawling because
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's sensitive to me. It like triggers something to me.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like talking about certain parts of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: dock is like gutting me with a knife.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You know, were you conflicted as to whether or not
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you wanted to go through with this and relive all
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: that stuff.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I think I was already far past it. It was.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: It was to the point where my dock was done
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. But I'm like, there's no ending. The
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: ending sucks. I won't look out a plane, I won't
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: do anything. And then fast forward. You know that was
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: their dream ending just stare at a fucking plane for me, right,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, you know so. And then fast
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: forward to now twenty twenty four or whatever it was
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: when I flew or twenty twenty five, it was like, Yo,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I fly, I fly again, my kids fly, I'm married,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: They're like so many things have changed. And that kind
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of triggered me to finish it because there was a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: huge light at the end of the tunnel now right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, I had this thing that had
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: power for me for twenty years, but I fla agin
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and and and I think the other parts of the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: dock like an amazing, like rough relationship with my dad
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: when when I was younger turned into something like beautiful
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: where he's like my best friend. I wasn't. I wasn't
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I grew up,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know not. We didn't even have like running hot
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: water my house. So it wasn't like my dad was
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in the music industry and my mom was an agent.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It was like, nah, I fucking didn't know how I
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was going to get out of where I grew up.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: And I just played every day and I was relentless,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and I joined every band and I played with everyone
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: So just even giving some kid hope knowing that he
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: can do the same thing was like a big part
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of my documentary that I felt like could help a
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: lot of people. And then just to see me get
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: knocked down and just have to fight, you know, over
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and over again when fucked up things happened to me,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and just watching me have these things just make me
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: stronger and stronger and unbreakable. I think that's the resilience.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think that that that is something for people to see,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two great messages in there. The big one
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is that you can overcome that no matter how fucked
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: up things are if you keep going, and if you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: keep you stay positive, you do the right thing, you
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: trust the process. At the end of it, you'll come
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: out better. Yeah. And then the formula for success is
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the same formula almost everyone has. That it is really
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: awesome at something. Become obsessed, become driven, and just throw
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: everything you have in that thing, and you come out
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: better and you eventually get to where you want to
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: be or get to where you are. It's it's it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: an undeniable formula and kids need to hear that, especially
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and everybody wants to you know, it's a TikTok mindset,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and everybody wants a pill to lose weight, and everyone
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: wants to it's all the process is the most important thing,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and just get become becoming obsessed and in love with
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the process.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so many people, I don't know, they there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: not a lot of balance, right, Like I've I've found
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: more bad now. But it's like, no, You've got to
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: be fucking obsessed, and you gotta be relentless, and you
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: gotta while all your homies are out doing whatever, you
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: should be practicing, you know what I mean. You gotta
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: be disciplined like I'm so you know my parents were,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: they were They were really strict with me, Like, yo,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: if you want to go skateboarding, you want to go
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: You gotta go play drums for three hours. So thankful
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: they did that. Can you imagine if they didn't, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: cause the one thing also in my doc is like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: every time like my mom dies, what do I do?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I just throw myself into music and drumming, like obsessed
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: with drumming, you know, join marching band, orchestra, jazz band.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: You know, like just literally eat, sleep and breathe it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Same thing after my accident, What did I do? Dad
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm playing the fucking drums cause it's like what
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I know. And also I think for kids even that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: don't have to hopefully endure anything I encounter, it's like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it gives you confidence when you're good at something. It's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like when I don't know anything. I think when kids
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: bully you, when whatever else, if you're good at something,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you're like, fuck you. Like, I know, I'm really good
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: at football, I'm really good at jiu jitsu, I'm really
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: good at guitar. I feel like it just gives you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: confidence and it helps you just kind of navigate through
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: life better.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's a vehicle for developing you as
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: a human being in totally whatever it is, whether it's art,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: whether it's music, whether it's literature, whatever you're doing with writing,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: whatever you're doing, carpentry, whatever it is. Just become obsessed
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: with a thing, get better at it, and you realize
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: that Okay, I there's a process. I can get better
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: at things. I'm valuable, I can do something. I'm not
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: just the lazy sack of shit.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The problem is the masses aren't like that, right, So,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: like sometimes you feel lonely being like that, But yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like have you ever read Relentless by Tim Groll?
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Fuck, it's my bible. But uh, I just had my
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: premiere in LA and he introduced my doc It's it's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it's a book, and he basically talks about being a cooler, closer,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: a cleaner, you know, and like cleaners are are like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: people like you and I that are obsessed with shit.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, if we want a Grammy today, we're
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: not going to like party for the next week. We're like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: what's next, you know what's next. We're not uh, we're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: on vacation and we're practicing, and we're not feeling bad
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: about it. We're it's just it's it's a mindset that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: not a lot of people have, and that almost make
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: obsessed with something.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, people will make you feel like there's something
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: wrong with you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like and I've and it took me a while. Honestly,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: after I read his book, I'm like, oh, I'm not alone.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I love the fucking drums. I love to make music.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I could stay in the studio for twenty five hours,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and and I don't feel burnt out, and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it makes me feel alive, and it's therapeutic. And I
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: always I'm never content with where I'm at. I always
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: know I have room to grow. I know there's things
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I can get better at. Yeah, there's and then there's like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you know, there's people that are very content just being like,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get any better. I'm just I'm cool
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: with where I'm at. I know this is kind of
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: peak level for me. I can never think like that.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's just how it has
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to be in order for there to be outliers. There's
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: always going to be people that just whatever, for whatever reason,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: never follow through, never do what they really want to do.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: You know, what is that throw comment the row quote
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: most men live lives of quiet desperation. There's a lot
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: of that. There's a lot of people that wish, they
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: wish they have the energy or the inspiration or the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: discipline or whatever it is to do the thing that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they want to do, to get up and just to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: really makes them feel fulfilled, really like ignites that creative
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: fire inside of them where you do something and it's done,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you're like, fuck yeah, there's a lot of people that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: never experienced Fuck yeah, Yeah, it's a rough life.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's the journey. Find that, you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: like yeah, or like that quota, find something you love
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: and figure out a way to get paid for it,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Like that's the That's great. But I think, yeah, things
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: like that have just especially after my accident, I'm like, Yo,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: life is short.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: There's anything can go at any time.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I can go, anytime. I've I've learned, I've been smacked
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: in the face over and over again, you know, yeah,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and just always feeling like remember, uh, there's this guy
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: named Harry Shannon that was like very instrumental in helping
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: me get sober or me trying to get sober before
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: my accident. When I got sober, and he's like, you know,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I have to ask men, like if you died right now,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: would you be the man you'd want people to remember
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you by. And I'm like, I need to get to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that place, you know, that's just where I want to sit,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: That's where I want to live.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why I was tell people live your life as
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: if there's a documentary crew following you around and you're
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: doing something awesome, Like if you wanted to be inspired
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing something,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: just someone who's like, Wow, that fucking dude's getting after it. Yeah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: be that person in real life. The other thing I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: always tell people, become the person you pretend to be
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to get laid.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It's so funny, or who you're pretending to be on
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the internet or so, Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Just actually become that person. It's so much easier than
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: pretending because there's obviously someone that's like that. That's why
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: we understand the archetype. That's why we understand like this
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: very exceptional person. So become that person. Yeah, you could
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: do it. Anybody could do it. We all change and grow.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And that's what's I think really important about people like
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: you telling your story is that there's a lot of
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: young people out there that don't have anybody like you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in their life and they can see it and relate
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to you, and it gives them fuel. It can your
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: story and just you talking about things passionately can change
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: a young person's life. There's a young girl or a
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: young guy out there that can hear you, and that
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: just your story makes them take a step, makes them
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: go in the right direction, makes them make a move
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to something. We all need something from other people. We
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: feed off of other people's energy.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that. Like it's like when people see
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: David Goggins for the first time and you're like, oh,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get after it. I'm gonna get out, you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's important. Yeah, And I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: didn't know. I said, you know, I've watched my doc
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty times now, and I just I even
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: watched it the other day at the premiere and I'm
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: like holding back tears and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you know. But just the reaction from everyone is like, Yo,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that changed my life. Like I can't look at life
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: to save And I'm like, if anything.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: That's I love that, you know, we all need that.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I hate to put out. Also, it's not like I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: made my own documentary. But I was honored and flattered
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: someone wanted to do this documentary with me, but like
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: hate to put out something that doesn't help people. You know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is this water right here?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, there's a glass right of running.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I ran what is it called Lake Austin. I ran
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it today.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dope. So nice, isn't it beautiful?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So beautiful?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: This is such a great place.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: If I lived here, I would be out there every
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: day and tons of people running.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: So a lot of healthy people in this town.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And I didn't. My goal was to just wake up
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and walk. I went to like this good espresso spot
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: that has like cortadoes, had a coffee and then I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: have like long shorts on, like sweatshorts, cut off sweats,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: suicide of tendency sweats and high socks and just regular shoes.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And where I come from, where I grew up, was
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: called the Inland Empire, like and I'm like, oh my god,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I look so Inland Empire right now, no shirt, sweat,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: suicide of tendency. People are like, he's not from here,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you know, But hey, I'm here with you, guys.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: This is a very blend in town. I love.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I love Austin.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: It's great cool. Yeah, but that lake is a really
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: fun spot and again very inspirational too because there's a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: lot of people getting after it. Yeah, a lot of
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: people that look good, they look healthy.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, uh, I don't know, honestly, I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: was surprised really from the moment I touched down yesterday,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: just walking like my wife and Rocky, we just went
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: walking and there was everyone was running even yesterday and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: then today it was like similar to when that feeling
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: where you in LA where you have like those boot
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: just people off out there getting after it. Yeah. I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: love I love being around that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Well, this is a very fit town. I mean it's
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: become the jiu jitsu hub of the country.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And it all happened during
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: changed about this place because people got sick of whatever
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: New York or LA and they came here and a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: lot well, it started out with Gordon Ryan, Gordon Ryan
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and John Donaher who are the like Gordon's the greatest
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu athlete of all time, and he moved here.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And John Donnaher is the greatest coach of all time,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and he moved here, and they set up shop, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: then all the guys they trained with came here, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: then a ton of other people just moved here and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: started up schools too. So there's a ton of jiu
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: jitsu going on here, a ton of mma going on here.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: His gym's everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms. It's like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: is like a feeling here. There's an energy of people
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that want to do something, that really want They want
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to be active, they want to be excited about something,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: they want to make something happen. And I think a
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: town became like a symbol of change for them, Like
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: wherever the fuck I used to live before, Now I'm
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: gonna move to this new thing, and I'm gonna really
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: take advantage of the fact that this is different, that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: this place is different. This is my new place, this
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: is my new feeling of my life. It's a new environment.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And then all these other people that moved here have
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: this similar desire to like excel and make their life
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: more exciting. And it's just it's an awesome place.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: in New York or LA, but you see it here. Yes,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Like everyone's in shape where it's like it feels like
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it's a head.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: You know, there's energy here. Yeah, And there's energy here
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: because of the people that moved here. You know, when
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: we opened up the Comedy club, I mean we all
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: came here because there was nowhere we could perform in La.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: La was locked down for comedy. And just like you
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: playing the drums doing music, medians are addicted. They're addicted
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: to performing, they're addicted to writing, they're addicted to like
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys were young people where
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: their career just was shut off. And you know, they're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: in their twenties and they're they're pursuing their dream and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: they're barely getting by. They're making no fucking money. But
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: they're in Hollywood, they're at the comedy Store and Alsodden,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the Comedy Store is closed for a year and a half.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It was fucking nuts. And so when we came out here,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you know, it started off, it was Ron White and
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: then me and Tony Hinchliffe and then it was like
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we lit the fire and good come on. And then
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: next thing you know it, there's like twenty world class
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: comedians moved to Austin and we set up the club.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And then now there's five clubs on my street. On
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a street where my club is, there's five other clubs there.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. There's so many comics here and it's just
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: much momentum. Cam Patterson who came out of here just
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: got snl you know. Shane Gillis obviously just became like
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the biggest comic in the world and it's all killed.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: That's out of my well, that's out of your club.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every Monday it's I get.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: All the clippings from it all the time, and I'm like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: he's so funny. Also, Ron, I saw, I saw Ron
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: White and Shane Gillis uh at the Netflix sucks. Oh right,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Hollywood ball.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah so good. Yeah. I worked with Ron last night
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: and he's great. He's the best.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Shane Gillis is my favorite. Obviously, he's so he's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: so funny.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: He doesn't even say anything just in his face.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he's just a great guy. Like you just love
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you when you're around him, you're having fun. He's just
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: a big he's a big smile.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I could imagine. Yeah, they were like, hey,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: do you want to go meet him before the thing?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like no, no, no, no, okay, I just want to
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I just want to watch this show.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm sure he'd love to meet you. Yeah.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It's just, uh, having a place where a bunch of
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: like minded people are to do the same thing is
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: so important and if you don't have that in your life.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about, Like your story and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: your documentary and just hearing you talk about stuff is
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: so important for people because we all need other people
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: that are doing a similar thing, or at least doing
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: a thing that we wish we were doing. That it
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: gives us. And it might not be for them. It
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: might not be playing the drums, it might be painting,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it might be something else, but it's like, oh, that
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: guy has that feeling about drums the way I have
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: this feeling about playing guitar, or I have this feeling
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: about drawing pictures, whatever the fuck it is. It's like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you need to know that this feeling that you have
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: inside of you and wanting to do something special is
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: not unique. There's other people that have it. You just
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: have to find them. You have to find those people
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and if they're not around you, at least now we
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: have this amazing ability to connect with these people through
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the Internet. It's incredible.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like they say, like you are who You're
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the closest five people that are around you. Yep, it's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like the same.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Thing, completely true.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that too, and they don't have to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be doing exactly what you're doing. Uh. Yeah, I'm like
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: in our old neighborhood where because were you on Khalifa? Yes, okay,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: so I'm on Khalifah. You know I moved my studio.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: You literally left, like COVID hit you left and I
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: moved in over there.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah I know, I heard.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So I wonder how close we were too.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I think we're real closely. I think we're right down
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the street from each other.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So, uh, even just being in that neighborhood, like I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: run a lot in there, right and one day I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: was running. It was so it was so weird. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: think I saw your pod and Geane Jacques was on it,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: right John Jacques Machado. And and then the maybe two
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: days later, I'm at I'm I'm at Blue Bottle grabbing
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: a coffee, and him and all his boys from his
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: his gym come up. They're like, hey, come train, come training.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like okay. And then the next day I'm running
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: and I don't even know where his spot is and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm running and then there's his his dojo, like you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: his jam and uh, and I just walked in and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: started training. But being around him and like his story,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like being around people who have inspiring stories and are
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: motivating and and are are productive and are hungry, and
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the biggest, the biggest difference in the world.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: John Jack is an awesome soul. Yeah, awesome guy, what
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a great guy. Yeah. I started training with him in
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I was training a lot, and then I was also
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: running a bunch and I tweaked my leg. Uh, and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I kind of learned, I think, like me running all
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the time. Uh. It wasn't the best for jiu jitsu.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: No, you need some strength training. Yeah too.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So now now it's a good balance.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: But what do you do for strength training?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It's tricky. I used to just work out. If I
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: was here, i'd find someone, I'd work out with them,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: or have have friends i'd work out with or trainers
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: back home. But a lot of people see me and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, let's get let's get you jacked. Well
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that's not that's not functional for me.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Not functional.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Need to be fucking fast, yes, and I need to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: be fluid and yeah, so a lot of people. I
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: figured out after years and years and years of working
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: out with different people, what's best for me is is
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: fast twitch and lots of reps uh, lots of sprints,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: quick explosive energy. I love boxing, I love jump roping.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And then a few days is more like slow strength training,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: but only followed by like I have to finish with
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: something fast, whether it's ten rounds on the bag or
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: whatever else or I literally I remember there was a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: tour and I was working out with someone and we
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: hadn't yet figured it out. We work out still together,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: and we do we do something called tempo training, So
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You're doing it for the length of the song, so
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it's much longer than you would normally do something, and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it's much quicker than you normally do something. But that's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: how I played the drums, and that's gonna that's gonna
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: help me once I go back to what I do
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and it's functional for what I.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Do like that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: But when I wasn't doing that and I was just
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I was I got behind a kit and I remember
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I hadn't really tested it out, and it was the
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: worst feeling in the world. I was so tight, I
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: was so slow. I didn't look like this, but I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: felt like this.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It was terrible. I was like, oh my gosh, this
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: isn't me. I need to be, you know, right. And
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: my goal, my only goal is to be able to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: think something and do it execute stamina wise, endurance wise,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and skill wise. So I'm always practicing and my stamina
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: is always on point.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So drumming is like sprinting with your arms. Yeah, I mean,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you're just like long term fast running with your arms.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like volume punches.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Like all drummers have a similar build they're all like
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Like what you could do with your arms is probably bananas.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I bet you could hit a fucking speed bag all
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: day long.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I could do battle ropes. I love speedbags. Yeah, I
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: have one at that at the gym and imagine that. Yeah,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and it's all it's all tempo. You have to find
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the rhythm. If the rhythm's not right, you can't keep
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the bag going. You know, battle ropes, Oh yeah for
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes okay without stopping that insane.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just it's like different thing for drumming. I would
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: imagine it's such a similar motion.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but it's so different than like the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: average person that wants to work out, Like I don't
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: get to do that. You know, even though it's cool
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: or you look cool, you put on a certain amount
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: of muscle or whatever, it's just I can't do it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Well. It could get in your way for sure. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: mean I think a drummer wants to be built like
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: a alter weight boxer. You know, you want to be
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance. And
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: if you just get an intelligent trainer, they understand what
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: you're trying to achieve. They could achieve both goals, Like
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: in jiu jitsu, if you want to do jiu jitsu
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: but not overwhelm you with mass.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah figured out Like there's yeah, there's
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: definitely certain exercises I could do once I start training
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: jiu jitsu again to make sure my legs are cool.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of like really elite jiu jitsu guys
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: are not bulky at all. There's a lot of like
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: really thin guys that are like very very high level,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: especially because there's weight classes, and you know, what's really
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: important is technique, you know.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: As tricky as the hands too, like not not crushing
• 51:47
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• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and not leaving my fingers out or oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he's always so good about that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, you just have if you're rolling and stuff,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: you just have to make sure you're not rolling with
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: anybody that's spastic. Anybody that's just like that doesn't have
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: controlled energy, you know. Yeah, that's the great thing about
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: rolling with black belts. Like, if I'm rolling with a
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: black belt, it's very controlled, Like we both know what
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: we're doing, so everyone's like moving in a very controlled pace.
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  Speaker 2: You very rarely get injured. When you get injured is
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: when you're rolling with like some young blue belt who's
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  Speaker 2: on steroids, who's fucking jacked out of.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: His mind, trying to choke you out, and he's just
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: a yeah, totally dude, I've been that. I was at
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a UFC gym uh, I forget where I was. I
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: was somewhere on tour and he's like, okay, let's spar
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit. We're supposed to be doing light sparring whatever,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: just kick boxing boxing, and he does a spinning backfist
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh, I have a show
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: in forty five minutes.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Man, Like, you know, he can get concussed forty five
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: minutes before, but I do. I do love very hard
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: to control too. Yeah, once you start that rotation and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that spin and that armed going around.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I was I was almost done. So yeah, my son
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: was there. He's like, oh, I was like, yeah, I
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: probably wasn't that and good? But yeah, but training is Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: it's it's so awesome.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: It's great for getting rid of aggression too, like cleans
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: your mind up. It makes you relaxed.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: For sure, and it humbles you. I think, oh yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like everyone should train or at least do
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: it at some point in their life because it humbles you.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot less
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: like hot heads are you know.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Jiu jitsu people are some of the most laid backed
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Most of them are like very easy going, really kind
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: and very relaxed.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: And I feel like it's something you can do even
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: as you age.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as you're training with good, smart people.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the thing. You got to pick your
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: training partners wisely, because that's what gets you injured is
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: spastics people that freak out. And you know, I used
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: to be a spastic. I get it, you know when
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I was young, when I was first starting out, I
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: was very aggressive and trying to just just force everything.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: You do everything fast and then but then one day
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you'll train with something like John Jacques, and John Jacques
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: just he never explodes. He he's never had a balance,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: he's never had a position. Everything's just smooth and effortless.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And he's talking to you like why he's rod Joe Hogan,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: look out for your Joe Hoogan.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: He's like he's having a fun good yeah.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And it's that's It's an art. It really is, especially
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: do it. It's like it is an art. It's beautiful
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: to watch. You watch someone with a beautiful guard pass
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: and then nail a triangle and it's like, oh my god,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: it's beautiful.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I'd done it in the past,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and it was it was it was a lot of fun,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and it was almost like chests up here, mm hmm.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: But I didn't feel like it was a much of
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a workout, whereas with him, it's like two hours. He's
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: making it like a show. There's no there's no stopping
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: for long periods of time, and we're just dripping sweat
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and I weigh a buck fifty and he's whatever, two hundred,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's just yeah, it's it is a workout,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: and it's just challenging and you're engaged the whole time,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: and yeah, feel it just feels good.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And when then, if you watch fights, you really appreciate
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: what's going on because you've tried to do that. And
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: you know, because a lot of people get very delusional
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: when they watch fights, like.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, get in there, all fucking these guys up,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, most men have a very delusional understanding of
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: or belief in their ability to fight.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: So doing it gives you like, oh, well, this is
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: fucking really hard. And then you watch people at an
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: elite level. You know, you watch Jugashan O'Malley or something
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: like that, and you're like, oh, fuck, that's hard to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: do what he just did. That's crazy. Yeah, it gives
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and the amount of just discipline and intensity that this
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: guy's put in over years and years and years to
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: of fifteen thousand people and millions of people on television.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I was with Don one time and me and Dom cruise.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: He was just like try to sleep me, and I'm
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: like okay, and you know how fast he is and
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: how like I swing and he's over here. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, I was so humiliating. But and
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: then he just was just grappling me and not letting
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: me move. And he's like, he's like, don't ever, don't
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: ever when you're in a fight, be like do something,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: do something. This is what it feels like. You know,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: he was just keeping me there, and I'm like, oh,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I have much more respect for just Yeah, when someone's
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: even just holding someone against the fence, that that feels awful,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: It drains you. It drained me.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then to start a fresh round where I'm
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: trying to sleep him was it was it was impossible.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: It was impossible to begin with, but it was even
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: more impossible.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: You know, his footwork is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and he
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: really invented a lot of his footwork, Like his footwork
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: is very Dominic. Cruz when he was the champion, when
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: he was a bantamay champion, had some of the most
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: so unique and so different, and you couldn't get anybody
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: to emulate it in training because dom system he pretty
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: much developed on his own. And there's a lot of
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: videos of him training it, a lot of videos of
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: him moving and it's so unusual that you see guys
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: in front of him and they're just mesmerized because it's
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: step step here, step step there, pop step step here,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: kick step step here, elbow and you're like, fuck, where
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: is he? Yeah? You know, and that was such a
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: smart because he's such an intelligent guy, which is why
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: he's such a great like MMA analyst, yea, so smart
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: and he just really figured out like Okay, I don't
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: not the biggest guy. What what can I have? What
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I can be like the most elusive, the most slick
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: moving guy that's ever existed.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people in his
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: division adopted it from him. Oh for sure figured it out.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: You know, well they had to adapt. Yeah, you know
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: when that guy's you know, dominating people and you can't
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: do anything about it. I mean he humiliated a lot
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: of people. He was in front of them, and they
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: they developed this style that was fine if someone's standing
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: right in front of you and engaging with you, like
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: right in front of you and there to be hit
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and taking a shot and then giving one back. Donald's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: doing none of that. He's like, whoop here, I'm over here.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: But he's like, you know, very much like Lomachenko did
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: in boxing, just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: and really kind of again developed it on his own.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: If you look at like his the camp that he
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: came out of in San Diego, there was another guy's
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: doing it like that. It was really just him. Yeah,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: very very unique guy. But I love that there's styles
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: that sort of rise, that that exist that someone just
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: sort of creates. They just realize, like, what what do
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I have physically as uh, you know, as my tools,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and how can I implement these tools in a way
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: that's different than anything that these guys have seen before.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was nothing like him, No, there was nothing.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: But then you see guys that came up after him,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: guys like TJ. Dillshaw, who was also awesome with footwork,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of his footwork, guarantee was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: inspired by watching Dominic and a lot of these other
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: guys that are these Corey Sanhagen guys that are constantly
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: switching stances. They all this this style developed out of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: that because before Dominic Cruz, there really was no one
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: who had footwork like that, not even close. And so
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: when you see TJ. You know, like who, in my opinion,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: was one of the greatest band of weights of all time,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: like when he beat Hennon Barrau, like one of which
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: was Hennon Barrow at the time was thought to be,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: if not the best poundful pound fighter in the world,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: at least number two behind Josey Aldo, and he was
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: undefeated and TJ just styled on him. I mean it
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: was and he went out there like he was sparring.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: He went out there like super loose and focused and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: them with shots and move to the left and hitting
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: them with a head kick to the right, and like,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: fuck yeah.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: He put on a show that way.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: One of the greatest title winning performances in the history
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: of the sport. For sure.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I wish I wish he didn't, you know, struggle with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: so many injuries, yeah, and everything because he was. It's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: a tragic phenomenal.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: like to the point where I think he's gonna have
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: to get artificial shoulders because he had no super spinnatus
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: on both arms that was just completely ripped off, and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: he would just like strengthen all the other muscles and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: just deal with it and then it would just pop out.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: You know. When he fought al Jamaine Sterling, he told
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: gonna pop out, but it's okay. I'll put it back,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: let me keep fighting. Imagine that you're going to fight
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Aljamine Sterling for the world title, who's a beast and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: one of the best grapplers ever, and you're thinking, uh,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't stay. Yeah, it's just this loose fucking
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: thing that just pops out all the time. And he's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: trying to fight and just just all will and discipline
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: and intensity.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: That was Dombs shoulder too.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Right towards the end, Dom had a bunch, he had
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: a cls, he had the shoulder was the last one.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: That was the last straw, his last shoulder surgery. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's the human body is not designed
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: to be punched and kicked and to be grappled and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: strangled and twisted and armbard. It's like, at a certain
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: point in time, it just gives out. Yeah, that's just
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: how it is. Yep. And it sucks because you know,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: some of these guys have so much more to give
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: in their mind and their body just fails them after
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: a certain point in time. And you see that with
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: some of these older guys. It's like they've just had
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: and this and that, and then they're a shadow of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: themselves inside the octagon.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's sad to watch, you know, but I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: also understand the feeling of that's all you know, and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: you just want to keep fighting.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also they have this insane belief in themselves
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: and they always think that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: It's what got them there.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Also, you know, that's how they became a champion in
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the first place. Like people telling you you never play
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: the drums, you're never gonna run, you ever gonna and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: you're like, I'll show you. And that's how they all are.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: They're all like I'll show Like it's over. You got
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: to hang it up, it's over. Your time is gone.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, I got one more in me. Yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I got I got three or four more fights in me.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna fight until I'm forty one or whatever it is.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: That would be so hard. I think of Dustin and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I think of like even his fight against Islam m
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: HM and his fight against uh, what's the French fighter?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Then while siuneder kneath Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Dog, I couldn't tell myself, I need to hang up
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the gloves if I fought like that, are those fights?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: He's a fucking beast. Yeah, he's a beast like Dustin
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to me, isn't He doesn't look like he's at the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: end of his career. He's still very competitive. And I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: think that was the best fight against Islam anyone's fought.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a very good fight. He's an
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: elite I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: So I could see being Dustin and struggling with like, ah,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: this is hard for me to stop fighting because you're
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: that fucking good.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Well with Dustin, the physical issues aren't even really like
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: joints and neck, and it's his head. He's had too
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: many brain injuries and that's he's got some sort of
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: a separation between the two halves of his brain. There's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: like some issue with the center of his brain.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even know about that.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly, but I mean,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: you know, he had that that incident where he got
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: drunk and got crazy. But that's a lot of that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: is CTE, I guarantee, And you know, he's doing a
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: lot of things to try to mitigate that, and he's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: seeking help. And really there are some ways that you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: can recover at least in some way and improve on
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: what you're doing. But I think for him it's best
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: to not be fighting anymore. You know. It's just at
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: more damage and then whatever you're dealing with now is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: just gonna get worse and then maybe you can't recover
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: from it. True, And you know, he's got a family,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: and he's in this situation where it's like, I want
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: to be there for my family. I don't want to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: be this guy that's like completely compromised when I'm fifty
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: sixty years old, where I can't walk anymore and someone's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: got to take me around and hold my hand. Yeah,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: because there are guys like that, you know, especially like
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: older boxers. You run into some old boxers and it's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: like it's really sad man. Yeah. You know, you see
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: guys like Tommy Hearns talking. It was like not much
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: older than me, and you see him talking and moving around,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: You're like, fuck, like he paid a price. Yeah, these
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: a living.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fight game is crazy.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: It's the craziest.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I'm happy my drums don't hit me back straight up,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: It's also you can do what you do for a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: long time. I mean, you can play drums for a
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: long time when you're fighting. Your peak is such a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: small window of life, and it's just there's so much
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: that you have to pour into it, and then eventually
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you have to realize that that windows closed and you
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: have to move on, even though you're still young and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: you still have all this life. And look at a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: guy like Dustin. He looks fucking great, you know, he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: looks great, he sounds great, and he talk to him
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: he seems like he's all there physically, he looks like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: he's never been better. But the window was closed, you know.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: There's Yeah, there's these young guys coming up and they
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: don't have the injuries that you have, they don't have
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: the problems that you know, they don't have the wear
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: and tear, and they're going to get to you before
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: you get to them. And maybe they wouldn't have gotten
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: to you five years ago or six years ago, but
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: they again now and it's just not there anymore, and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: it's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: is based on this one thing. It's very fleeting.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: So that's that would be the most difficult thing in
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the glory that they experience is above and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: beyond anything we're ever going to know.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I heard someone talking about it and they were saying,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: imagine being a cage fighter, and it's all you've prepared
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: for for the last twenty years, to be locked in
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a cage and your underwear, to scrap with someone and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: have the most grueling fight camps, and then you're just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: we're just going to take you out of it, and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you can't do that anymore. It's like that's all you've known.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: You know. It's a they experienced a different life than us.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: You know, highs are way higher.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And highest of high's lowest the low's.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: The rest of the life is kind of gray and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, it's
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: sort Connor keeps trying to come back. It's like all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: these guys, it's like that thing like Connor is worth
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: like a half a billion dollars. He doesn't have to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: do anything anymore if he doesn't want to, but he
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: still has this thing inside of him where he wants
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to reclaim that lost glory.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Whatever the discipline that could be bad, where he could
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: just he completely walked out on top right on top
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: of that. That's beautiful, huh. And And if everyone could
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: have the the discipline to do it like that, that,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you know, that's rare.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: That guy's got Mount Everest discipline. It's like a different
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: kind of discipline. And his why is one of the greatest,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest of all time. And that's why.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is he's stayed training. He's been
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: training ever since he retired, and he says he's much
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: better now than when he retired. Wow, could you imagine,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: isn't it crazy? He says he watches his old fights
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: and he sees mistakes that he made and how he
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: would do it differently now, and how he does things
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: differently in training now. And I know guys who trained
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: with him, and they say, he's fucking malls people. He's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: mauling these like, you know, top ten UFC contenders, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: he gets in there with them, they can't hold on
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: to him. He's fucking He's an animal.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I believe it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: And he's not even thinking about fighting again. But he's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: an awesome coach now too, And having a guy like
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: fighter gets having Kabeeb Norma Gametov coach them, Like you're
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guy
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: that's ever competed in the sport, retired, undefeated, one of
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: the rare ones, and he's your coach, and you want
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: to make him happy, you want to make him proud.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, having his guidance.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's going to be in Islam's corner this weekend.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I'm leaving tomorrow. He's gonna be That's a good fight,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: very very interesting fight because Ian Machao Gary is a
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: very difficult guy to get a hold of, very tall
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: and long, fast as fuck, very smart, knows how to win,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: knows how to adapt and change.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Islam striking fierce too though.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's a lot better than it used
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: to be. And uh at like the same level as
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: all the other guys in the sport, which is really
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: crazy because his grappling is above and beyond. So it's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: like you're dealing with a guy who there's no picnic
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: I mean he knocked out Volkanovski with a head kick.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: He's elite on the feet. And then when it comes
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: one like him in the division, in any division. He's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: he is a crusher, and he just crushes people.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's nasty.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about how good Charles Oliveria is, one
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: of the greatest submission artists of all time. Islam got
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: him down to the ground and just smushed him, just
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: crushed him quickly, just made him tap quick.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: It was incredible. It was going to be more competitive
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: everybody did. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's how good Islam is, you know. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: he's also a guy that, like you, cannot train harder
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: than him, It's not humanly possible. So he goes into
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: harder than him. It's impossible for someone to have tougher
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: people in camp than he has. I mean, those guys
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: out of Daghistan are on a completely different level. I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: mean there is an entire room filled with absolute savages
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: and they're just getting after it every day, full discipline.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: No one drinks, No one parties, no one does everything.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: They pray five times a day. They're super religious and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: they're just driven. Yeah, and you know he comes into
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: that fight with that kind of confidence. Because of that,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun weekend. Yeah. That main event
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: is very tricky because Ian can move.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: He's a really slick guy, really tall, and he's also
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: very fast and long, so he's going to have a
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: significant height and reach advantage. He's going to be moving
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: all over the place landing, and if Islam is not
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: careful in how he engages, he could get caught. And
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you can only get caught by a guy like Ian
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: a couple of times, if at all, you know, before
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you're in trouble. So it should be very interesting. Those
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like styles make fights. Oh that one, that's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: like a great example.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's also Ian has this insane confidence. He
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: has this insane belief that he's special, that you know,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: this is his destiny and that you know, I mean,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: he's It looks like that at every way in. It
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: looks like that at every stair down, it looks like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: that at every press conference, like this is his destiny.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: He really believes that, which is another huge thing that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: a fighter has to have, like almost a delusional belief
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: in themselves. Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I saw an interview where he was he actually said
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: he believes in the balance, uh, with his family, with
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: every part of his life. Where most fighters will only
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: focus on fighting during the eight to ten weeks they're
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: fighting or their training, and he's like, no, I actually
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: need everything to be in order to make this one
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: thing go great. So I believe in more balance than imbalance.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I think it interesting.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: what does your family look like? You know, what is
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: the relationship with your wife and your children? Like is
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: it harmonious and is it you do you get love
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: from it and strength and inspiration? Or is there chaos?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Is there like arguing all the time and bickering and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: pettiness and bullshit.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: And like the Mark car fight, the Curve fighting Machine,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, when she's fighting, when she's squabbing with
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: them right before he goes out to fucking fight. I
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: was like, ah, I was like I could feel for him.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, I've seen him before. I've seen that with
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: multiple fighters. Multiple I know one guy who, during the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: always start fights with him, like huge fights, like because
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: she didn't like that this one thing fighting was more
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: important to him than her. She wanted to be the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: entire focus of his attention. And when there was this
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: thing that was taking away she was a complete narcissist,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: this thing that was taking away from his attention to her,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: she would sabotage it. So she would start fighting. She
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: and just be gone, shut her phone off. And here
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: he is, freaking out. He's got a fight for the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: world title in you know whatever, twenty hours and he's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: he's dealing with this nonsense.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: It's the worst. So I can't imagine.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's why some guys they'd rather take
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: that isolated approach. They just they would rather or just
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: do the spartan thing and just be alone in camp
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and sleep on a cot and wake up in the
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: morning and run and just live this like very hard
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: six to eight week life.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I feel that part, like I can't even even leading
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: up to shows. I can't be too comfortable. Really, Oh, no,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Like I can't get a massage before I go play
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: be uncomfortable.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, why is that?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just it's all I've known too,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like that. I don't know. I came
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: up like lugging my own gear around, setting up my
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: drums and then waiting for the show to start. And
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. I can't just watch a movie before I
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: play or wake up from a nap. It's just it's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: just not in me. I'm up jump roping, I'm up
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: like watching fights. I'm up going for a run, practicing,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: learning something new. That's the best headspace for me to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: be in.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I would imagine what the difference between drumming and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: I think any other kind of musical instrument is it.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: It's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like you you have to be in shape to drum,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: you have to.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sluggish, Like, I don't know, I'm I'm a fucking
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: weirder though. I'm like worried about like what I eat,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Like do I have enough energy? Have I?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: And just jump roping before I play.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Dialing it in right and knowing what you need because
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: of the experiences that you've had, You've had so many experiences,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: so many performances, that you can just dial it in.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I think that in that way, it's very similar to fighting,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: is that every fighter has to have their own approach.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: And Ian's approach is to have his family with him
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: all the time, and Islami Katschev's approach is very different.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: It's like Spartan, all those guys together, you eat and
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: train with the guys, just separate yourself from everything.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super personal.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be personally because everybody's got a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: different Everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different different
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: trick different things that fuck with them, different things that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: calm them down, you know. Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Also, I have all these weird whatever where I'm jump roping, running,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: practicing for hours before I go on stage. And then
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: there's the times where everything I get thrown a curveball
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: and I get to the venue five minutes before and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I can go up and do it like like no
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: problem because I think I've done all this other preparation, right,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: It's like I also know it works without it.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you're always ready. Stay ready, so you're always ready.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I live by that. Yeah, stay ready so
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you don't have to get ready. Yeah, that's the that's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: the goal.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well fighters have that too, because the fighters that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: get like really out of shape in between fights, they're
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: the ones that really struggle.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Because Patty, Yeah, where you see him blow up like
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: a week later, it's like, yeah, but in the.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Same person, Patty, it's a little deceptive. Really, Patty gets fat,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't get out of shape. Patty's got incredible
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: and an insane work ethic, but he also really loves
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: to live and live life. You know, also have a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: few beers, eat some pizza, get fat, but he still
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody. Like
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: it's there's no way you're in the kind of shape
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: that that guy's in if you're not training all the time.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: So even when he gets fat, it's just eating. He's
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: just eating piles of food. I'm sure. If you if,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sure when you see him with his big moon face,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: if you got to the gym and worked out, you'd
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: be like fuck yeah. Still, it's not like he's going
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: to be exhausted and lying on his back after one
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: round on the bag, not like he's it's only fat, yeah,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: you know, and then he's got the And then there's
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: also this part of the discipline of the weight cut
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: all your food and like there's there's a certain like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: from being fat to ripped, and he goes from being
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: fat to rip Yeah, I mean he does it better
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: than anybody because everyone looks at him like, oh, that
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: guy's never gonna make weight, and then he shows up
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: at the weigh ins shredded, chiseled.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think I see anyone with as big of
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a transformation.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: No, No, his is beyond and people love him for
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: it too. That's also part of the craziness of it.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: They celebrate it because I'm so silly.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so likable, Yeah he's he's Yeah, he's great.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: So fucking skillful too. What he did the ben Walls
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: under knee was nuts, and oh yeah, that was.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: One of the best fights I've seen in person. I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck just happened?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Well, you see what Gaatechie just did to Iliot Daporia
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: And now you realize how fucking tough Patty is. Yeah,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Patty's tough. He's he's silly and he's playful and he's
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: all likable and he's dancing around, but when it gets
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: down to it, that motherfucker is tough as nail.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, scary, how quick that was?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: And gay Chee's just fuck thank god for him. Yeah,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: he's so so I was so happy me too.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: White House on the lawn of the White House and
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: win the world title when everybody thought, I mean, he's
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: like a six to one underdog on some sports books,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: which is nuts. I thought that was very disrespectful. Was crazy.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And when he was like, I couldn't. I couldn't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: let him fucking win just based on what I how
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: bad he was going to disrespect me after he beat me,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: mm the ship he was going to say on the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: mic or whatever. I was like, Nah, it wasn't going
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: to happen. I love that.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I love that Sometimes you fuck with a guy's head
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: so much that you give him fuel to recover and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: survive when he might not be able to ordinarily. But
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: the thing about Gai Chee is he has zero quit
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: in him. You can't get him to quit. He's never
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: going to quit. It's like you could break his body
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: down like Max Hollwi did and knock him unconscious and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about that. You get knocked unconscious,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: you're knocked unconscious. It's just physical.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I've never seen I've never seen Gaygee like that. You know.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: In the Max fight, that was no and I love
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Max and I just yeah, that was like shocking.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. It
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: was that was uh. And then to have him go
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: from that to become the world champion just a year
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: and a half, two years later whatever it was, it's amazing.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Sixth story.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great sport man. I mean, there's nothing
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: like it in terms of like the true intensity and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: the emotions and the excitement. There's nothing like it. I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: think the last time I saw you was at a
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: UFC at the Apex. I think that's the last time
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: we went into each other.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: And Ghanua and Stepe fought.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Was that what it was? Wow, wasn't that crazy? Oh?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Being in that small venue when that.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Happened, was like small venue, no audience. Why, there was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: probably like maybe fifty people in the whole room, maybe
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred in the whole room.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: You could hear a needle drop two when it happened.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's the first fight I took my wife
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: to and she was like, what, like yeah, yeah, oh.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: That was a devastating fight too. And there was also
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: you have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: the Apex for people that don't know, has an octagon
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: that I think is thirty or forty percent smaller.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Damn is it that much smaller?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah? How much smaller is? Let's put that into perplexity,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: ask it. How much smaller is the UFC Apex octagon
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: versus the regular octagon that they use in arenas, And.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: You're trapped in there with Francis exactly exactly, and also
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Francis looking for revenge.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is steep a beat Francis in his
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: first loss. Okay, thirty percent, thirty percent last space, that's
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: a lot, man, thirty percent is crazy. So you could
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: see the images there when you see the Apex next
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: to the big one, the pay per view one like
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: that is a lot of space and you're just stuffed
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: in there with a guy who is one of the
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: absolute scariest fucking guys that's ever lived, and you can't move.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: You know, there's not a lot of movement. A lot
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: of people like that because it's kind of you know,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: it forces action, but I think the space provides more
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: of a canvas. You know, no pun intended for them
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: to paint their masterpiece. You got to be able to
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: have angles to get out. And if you're just constrained
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: that object wasn't there, you could move to the side,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: move in and counter. You know. I think like when
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Sugar Shan Omalley knocked out al Jamaine Sterling and Aljamain
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: is pressing forward. Now, if the cage was closer, he
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to move back as far. It
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: cuts off a lot of the possibilities, cuts off a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: lot of things. That was another shocker, right, Oh, it
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: was amazing. Yeah, when Sean did that at the White
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: House and saluted when he knocked out that guy, and
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: then and.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: The walk off walk off and it's hard, so hard.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: And he said he envisioned it, which is even cooler,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: like he saw it in his mind. Mm hmm, that's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: what he was gonna do.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great he had Actually we were texted
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: back and forth. He's like, I need to knock him out,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and I was like when it happened, I was like, oh,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: that's that's just like right off into the sunset.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: You know. Well, in his position, he really needed something
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: special because Morob versus peoter Yan wasn't formally wasn't form
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: formally announced yet, and it was thought like maybe if
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: shot at the title because he has a victor over
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: peeld Yon. That didn't come to be. So now peoter
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Yan and Morob are having a rematch, and after that rematch,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: if I had a guess, it's most likely got to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: be Sean fighting for the title again to.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Put and he has that win over Peter, so that's
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: he's guiding, right, But.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have a win over Morob. So Marob wins
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: the title again, he's gonna be like fuck.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you said, styles make fights, that's it.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it doesn't mean that he can't beat Morob.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I think Sean could beat anybody. But it's
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: just he's got to figure out whatever it is that
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle. That
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: is that little Georgian Tasmanian devil that never gets tired.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just he's like the energizer a rabbit, like just
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: keeps going.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Dude, have you ever seen what Morob's face looks like
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: when they did like an X ray of his face
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: an mri just broken nose. No, it might be the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Don't say he's not going to get it fixed.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna get it fixed because then he'll have
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: to take a year off of fighting. Not only a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: year off of fighting. I don't think he can even
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: spar for a long time, So he can't. That's what
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: his nose looks like.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Whoa yo, it looks like. Do you know who Pusshead is? No, okay,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: puss Head's the illist artist. Where he did like Misfits,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: he did like Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: me that doesn't look like that looks like Morob's face
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: the top right right there, So he did like Zorlak
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: skateboarding did a bunch of thrashold stuff. Yeah, dude, exactly,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: we gotta, Yeah, Morob's gotta do a skull t shirt
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: or some kind of merch with that.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: To look at he totally should that should be his logo.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Look at that nose, man, Look at the break of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: the bone. How hard it's turned towards his right eye.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's really insane. I mean he must not
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeh.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: more insane when you think about how much endurance that
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: guy has. Look at his nose, I mean it's crazy.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: The twist in that thing is fucking insane. I mean
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: it's like it covers part of his vision.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like he's he's been out what six
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: seven months.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Now, it's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: since he fought again. I mean, but it was because
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: he lost the title to Pyota and now they're going
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: to have a rematch.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: And what he had defended the belt three times in
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: that year, right m h.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: It was three times? Yeah, well it was definitely a
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: strength of schedule was tough because you know, you're going
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: through these camps, you have these brutal weight cuts. It's
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: like your body gets worn out. And but then there's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: also peoter Jan who had fought Marab before and lost
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: to him and realized what was necessary to beat the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: guy and fought a perfect fight.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that performance was amazing.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Joan's a fucking assassin too. Man, He's a scary guy.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy. And now he lred.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: He knows that he can beat Morab. So it's going
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: to be interesting to see, like who makes the adjustments
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: in the rematch. When is is that happening? Is that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: scheduled the Morab fight? I think it is. I don't
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: know when it is, but I'm ninety percent sure that
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: they've scheduled that fight. That might be Salt Lake City.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Is that the Salt Lake City fight? I don't know,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: but it's exciting. Yeah, Yeah, it's a It's a great
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: time for the sport. I mean the sport is it's
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: on fire right now TBD, but it is announced No,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I mean no, the Salt Lake City has a TBD
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: for that. Oh but does if you look up Morob
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: versus Podion too, does it say where it's happening.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: looking at.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have anything popped up. I'm pretty sure they've
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: announced that that's happening La card. It looks yeah you going, Yeah,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I think so that should be fun. Yeah, the are you?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: How are you touring right now at all? Like? What's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just in the studio this year. Oh okay,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: writing and producing a few albums and then was finishing
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: this doc.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: So what is the LA card right now? It's Pantosia
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: versus Joshua Van samsing a post that says it's reported
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: to happen in Abu Dhabi in October. Oh, the rematch
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: with and Morob Okay, that sounds that makes sense. That'd
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: be a good one for Yeah. Yeah, the LA card
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: is gonna be sick. So it's armand Sarukian versus Mauricio Hoofi.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: That's gonna be insane.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Like Kano versus Ortega.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: That's this weekend. Oh, sorry, which one? Did you want?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: The LA Card?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Worris Uh that's it? Yeah, so the rematch between Joshua Van.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see what happens.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Man, That Pantosia arm break was such a bummer to
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: have him fall back like that. Yeah, my Kano versus
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Brian Ortega. Yeah, it should be fun gable Steve since
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: again Cheeto, Yeah against Charles Jordaane. Yeah, should be fun.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: LA crowds are always fun too, because UFC doesn't get
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: to La very often. It's always pretty hyped up.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to LA. I love Vegas,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: but something about LA. You know you still like living
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: there Los Angeles? Yeah, yeah, I love it.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel any difference over the last
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: five years, six years since the pandemic.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for me, my goal is to not
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: drive past De Soto's. That's the goal. That's like my
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: living is is wake up with you know, my wife
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: I actually I just bought a garage where I keep
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: all my cars. So some days I'll leave my house.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: It's a three mile run. I'll run to my garage,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: pick up one of my old school cars, drive to
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't drive past to Soto that's nice. Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you could do that and avoid the real
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: chaos that's the center of the hive of LA.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once in a while, I'll get out if it's like,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: you know, someone's a show or something that you know,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: me and the wife want to do, or me and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: the kids. But other than that, studio home, studio, home, train.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: Smart Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a better life.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I have friends that live in the heart of it,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: like in West Hollywood. I'm like, what is it like, Like,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: it's not the same. Yeah, it's not the same.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I couldn't do it. The days I'm
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like I'll go to crossroads, I'll go do whatever.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: But it's rare.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine. Yeah, did you ever think
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: about getting out?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do it yet. I think, like,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: for what I do, you know, besides like playing Blink
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: or touring. When I'm home, I'll get a call and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: they'll say it, can we come by the studio. I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: want to make this with you. I want you to
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: play drums on this. I'll see game walking in my neighborhood.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Travel.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: I need you on this. Record, blah blah blah. I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: just there's so much that happens right there. For me,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: I think there'll come a time where I don't need
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: to be there. But right now I feel like I'm
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: in demand, and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm recording a bunch of stuff, so it makes
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: sense for me.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Do you ever have some thought about like living in
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: the country and retiring somewhere, just like laying back. Yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: We we were on tour and there was a huge
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: storm in Nashville area, so we were in Franklin for
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: a few days, Franklin, Tennessee, and we immediately started looking
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: at houses like that, we gotta go here. But we
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: we kind of do that everywhere we go, you know.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: We you know, you travel, you go on vacation. You're like,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: we want to live here, we want to get a
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: spot here. But I do. I do love southern California.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: We have a spot up north, like in Santa Barbara.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I love Santa Barbara as well. I love the desert.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like moving around in southern California keeps things fresh,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: like going to the desert for a week or a
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: few days, going to Santa Barbara and then during the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: week staying in Calabasas or like Los Angeles, and you know,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: working out of there.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: The Monacito area is insane.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Monaco. And I also feel like the desert, like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Coachella out there is you feel like you're in a
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: different world. You feel much further away from LA and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: all the chaos than you are.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's cool, Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: people have gone out to the desert just to try
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: to find themselves? Yeah. True, It's it's a very unique
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: environment out there. Yeah. Kind of weird that they decided
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: to put music festivals out there. I know, it's wild.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: One of my best friends I when I when I
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: left home at at around like sixteen seventeen, my dad
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: had given me a couple options to He said, join
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: the military, like me, start paying rent, or take off.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: So I took off right. Was a trash man in
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: the Gunna Beach for a while. Then I moved to
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Fold. He
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: had this promoting company called ninety eight Posse, and he
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: and he ended up starting Coachella and it's just been
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: he was obsessed, Like what we talked about earlier, he
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: was one of those people that were obsessed, and I
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: watched him build this amazing festival, and yeah, he's just
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is it's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: crickets all the rest of the year, there's nothing. It
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: gets so hot, it's one hundred and fifteen. Most businesses
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: closed down halfway you know, through the day. They're open
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: for the morning, and then when Coachella happens, the city
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: thrives and it's just, you know, chaos.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of conflicted people.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't own a business out there,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: but I bet for everyone that's struggling when it's one
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen, hundred and twenty and no one's coming
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: out of the house, right, I feel like they're almost
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: like Coachella saves them, Like the festival saves everybody.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, just the volume of people in the town.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: The volume of people that comes through, I think saves
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: all the businesses. For sure. You have a business when
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: we're out there and it's not like the season or
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: whatever they call it, and it's considered too hot. Most
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: businesses are open from nine to one pm.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: That drive out to the desert though, it is like, like,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: better make sure your air conditioning works. Yeah, and no
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: school cars on that trip.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I've driven from LA to Lakinita
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: out there is have you ever heard of Velocity? Yeah?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: I got a K five from them. Oh you could
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: drive that out there, but seconds one of those Yeah
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: they're sick.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got one of their their blazers.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: They make such a great K five.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, he loves his. Yeah, they I think
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: I see it. Yeah, it's all black.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh it's brown, it's brown. I'm color blind?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Are you really?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking severely color blind. I have to ask my
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: two and a half year old son what color things
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: are sometimes how bad It is like I'll be like,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: what color is your favorite? And then he'll tell me
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: what colors?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Tom does that.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Kind of Yeah that really looks black to me.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's pretty okay. That's in the shadows.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: That's like I have all I have an all black one.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: What a sick looking truck.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people build these k fives and
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: they do resto mods, but they they're either overbuilt and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: they don't drive great, or it's like, uh, it's it's
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: over it's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great, or
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: they do too much. Like this isn't overdone. They make
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the perfect rest of it.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: It's reliable.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's reliable. Oh yeah, there's mine.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Oh nice. Oh you got a very old school looking
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to look almost like bone Stock.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: I have a couple k fives, but this is the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Velocity one. I have a og orange one with plaid
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: interior that's seventy two that still has the old school
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: engine and everything.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh really, and it.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Just stays in Palm Springs and that's where we drive
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: Does it have the old school breaks too?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Nah? Yeah, fuck that that's it right there. But see
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: how it looks like it shouldn't leave the Palm Springs.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: It's you know, my wife drives it a lot.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. Yeah. Kvives are dope. I have a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: seventy two Bronco from Icon Sick.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Icon was great. Yeah they made a blazer.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah they did.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I almost bought it. It was so good and he's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: so cool. John Yeah, yeah, I feel like he he
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: kind of set.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: It all off. Jonathan Ward, Yeah, that's the one.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I built I built that with a Delmo
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: and a couple people around LA. I just took it
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: from shop to shop. This was my version of a Velocity.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: But nothing's sick.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: It didn't drive as good as a Velocity restaurant.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also you're so lifted. Yeah, like the handling
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: of the thing must be rough, like going around corners
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: and shit.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: It was really cool. I was really proud of it.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: That's very cool looking. There's something about that iconic dis design.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: There's something with the way those things look like that. God,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: it looks awesome.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Like I was like.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: What this is?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than this.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a There's a weird thing about old
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: school cars. They just they spark something in you. Yeah,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: they're they're more excited. Like I like new cars. I
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: love new cars. They're cool, but they don't have the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: same feeling. There's something about those old schools. It's just
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: like it's mechanical like you're connected to it, you know.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm a sucker for old Chevy's and
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: Cadillac and I have a bunch.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: That's like, how many cars do you have now?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: I think I have twelve. I have a lot of
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: old school and Paula's real school, like sixty fives. I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: have a fifty nine.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Oh whoa real old school.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a sixty two wagon in Paula sixty
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: three convertible in Pola, sixty Cadillac.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: G and x Bro sixty Cadillacs. We wow, it's so.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Do you have a picture of that thing?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I think it might it might be on the interweb somewhere.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty Cadillacs were crazy.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that's my old that's my old nineteen sixty Caddy.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: I used to have that. Look at that thing.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: That is wild.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Good luck parking mat.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: And nothing feels like that when you drive those cars.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'd imagine it's a boat. That feels like you're
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the Queen Mary. Yeah.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Look that was my fifty three.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: That's yours of the far right.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: These are all my cars in my collection from at
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: some point in my life.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're an old soul dude, I am there
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: must be there's something about you that connects with these things.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, old cars move. I don't know. I like the
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: smell of them. I like everything.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: They're just hard to maintain. Yeah, really good mechanic.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: It's hard. Do you know what kind of feels old
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: school that I got recently? That but that's new is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: the Chevy Fox truck.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Thing's a fucking beast. See if you can pull it up,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: it's the Fox, the Fox Chevy Silverado.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Is this a new recently?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: It's Chevy's answer to the Raptor or the the TRX.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: That's mine right there. So it's usually they usually have
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: orange accents, but I did online Matt Black. So it's
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: just I think it has six or seven hundred horse power.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: It has like Baja suspension. You could drive it anywhere,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: So it's just like a Raptor.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do I not know about this? That's crazy?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: The Fox Factory Silverado.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: That's my that's my daily Fox shocks.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Fox shocks that are collaboration with them.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the guts, like you could literally jump this truck
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: wherever the fuck you would, you know, So.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: That's your daily driver yeah, I have a Raptor.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: I love the raptors too.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: I have a Hennessy Raptor. R.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: Oh those are hard.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: That's fun. That's a beautiful truck. Yeah, thank you. There's
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: something about those kind of trucks too that's exciting. Thousand
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: horsepower trucks ridiculous. It's like, how do they look at
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: that thing in the air? That's so crazy? Do you
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: ever take it on the dunes?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I haven't yet. When they when I bought it, they
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: came out to Uh, they came out to the desert
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: and brought a couple and we just whipped them around
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: the desert and we're supposed to plant a day where
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: we go out and jump and do everything. And they're like,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: we'll even let you use one of your our trucks
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: so we don't fuck up yours. I was like, oh,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: that's nice that yeah, because it is all carbon fiber fenders,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: it's pretty cool.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they stretched it out and widen the wheelbase
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: and everything. Yeah.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: And you can't even buy them in the States like
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: you have to. I mean in California you have to.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I had to ship it from Vegas because of all
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: of the the extras.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Because it's supercharged, So California won't let you buy it, and.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I had to go through this process of pretending I
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: bought it somewhere else. Yeah, what a goofy fucking st Yeah,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: super happy with it.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: We are doing another studio and we're going to do
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: a studio at the circuit of the America's Racetrack and
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: so like this, uh huh cool, Yeah, exactly at that place,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: that racetrack so, which is in Austin. And so what
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: we're gonna do is have it set up where you're
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to go around the track. We'll you know,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: do some laps and then pull in and then have
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: a podcast.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: I love that, which would be great because you'll, I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: feel like, for your mind, your mind will be so
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: a racetrack that you'll you'll come in you'll.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Be like, ah, oh ready to go.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: For sure. It'll be really fun.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Because I bet some people row themselves up, like to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: come up in here and get really nervous or like,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Some people did it's crazy. Well, you've done it a bunch.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: You and I have talked and hung out before. So
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: it's like it's easy for some people. It's like doing
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: anything that's got a lot of views, get some weirded out.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: It's hard. Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were honestly one of like the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: first podcasts I did. Besides like Rich role back in
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: But how's Rich doing.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: He's great?
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, he was. He had some health issues.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Right, I think I think he just had like a
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: back surgery or something. Yeah, but he's all, man, he's
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: so cool.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: He reached out. I mean, he just reached out a
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago saying I love I love your doc,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: and I'd really love to talk to you again. So
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely visit him. But when I was when I
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: started my running journey, he had reached out and was
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: like anything you need.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, Yeah he was. He's super nice guy,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: so cool. Yeah, very very nice guy. But yeah, I'd
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: read something about him having back problems, and I always
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: get sad when I hear about people that have back
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: problems and I hear they had surgery. Oh he looks
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: fucking great.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: It looks like he's healthy.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking shredded.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like if you're running all the time or
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: training all the time, you're bound to have some type
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: of injury too.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: The back thing scares me though, when people get surgery,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of options other than surgery that
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: are probably going to be better for most people. Yeah,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: depending upon the situation. Of course.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: I broke my back in four places in my accident,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: oh Jesus, and I didn't know about it because I
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: was laid out in a burn center for six months
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: and I never got any surgeries. Like my doctor exactly
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: said what you just said, it's like you healed perfect,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: Like it's me doing surgery. I can't guarantee you'd be
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: in a better place than you are now.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I have friends that have had back surgery
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: and they have gotten better because of the back surgery.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: But I also have a lot of friends that got
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: back surgery and they never were the same again, and
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: they had to get another back surgery and then another
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: one and they have nerve damage and their arms go numb,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: and then they have atrophy and their limbs.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: And surgery sketch.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it can be, but there's other ways around it.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: When it comes to like disc issues, and this is
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I try to highlight to people.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: There's PRP. There's a place in la and Santa Monica
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: called life Cycle. Is that it? But they do something
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: called regeni Keine, and regina Kine is a type of
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: I've gone to them a bunch of times. How can
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: I not remember the name of it? Isn't it? Life cycle?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: Life Cycle, Santa Monica? What's that? Lifespan? Lifespan, Sorry, Lifespan,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Santa Monica, Lifespan medicine, phenomenal place. Shout out to Mosha,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: my friend there. But they do PRP, but it's a
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: different kind of piece. It's called Regenikine, and what they
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: do is they take your blood, they pull it out
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: of your body, they spin it in a centerfuge and
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: do some sort of process to it, and then they
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: reinjected into you the next day into the discs. And
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: it's an insanely potent anti inflammatory agent. And it was
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: the first thing that I did that ever fixed my
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: bulging discs where I had bulging discs in my neck
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: to the point where I was getting numbness in my fingers. Yeah,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: all from jiu jitsu, damn. And it was really getting
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: me to the point where I was like, I don't
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: think I could train anymore, Like every time I train
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: him in agony, like it keeps getting worse. And I
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: would go in a chiropractor and he was full of
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: shit and they weren't helping me at all. And then
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: this Regenikine thing, and like within a week I started
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: tingling in my fingers. And then within a couple of
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: months after that, I was fully healed. I got another MRI.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: My disc had completely gone back in place.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Wow, it's game change.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was pulling, it was pushing out and
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: pressing against the nerve, and it was causing pain, like
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: nerve pain in my elbow and it was the ulnar nerve,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: same nerve that you were talking about.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Scary, right when you start getting like tingly feelings in
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: your fingers you can't feel them.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was also one of these things where I
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I think I might be done with
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: jiu jitsu, Like this is a real problem. But I
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: got back into it because of this. So Regena Keen
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: fixed that. And then I've also had stem cells now,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Like stem cells can especially if you go to a
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: place that really is on top of everything, and then
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: they're using state of the art stem cell technology. Like
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of places you have to go out
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: of the country, like CPI down in Mexico.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you, is there places
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: in the States.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Ways to well? Waste to well right here in Austin
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: is the best place I've ever been to. I haven't
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: with Waste to Well and I brought a bunch of
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: people in that have had fun out. Like we just
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: brought John Jones in recently he's got hip problems. His
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: hip feels much better, he said. We brought a bunch
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: of MMA fighters in al jaminer Sterling, who was just
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: here a couple days ago. He was there a waste
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: well on Monday, and so Waste Well as like my
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: friend Brigham who runs it is it's literally like state
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: of the art, whatever the fucking science is at the moment,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: he's on top of it. And they've got hyperbaric chambers,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: they've got red light therapy, they've got every every single
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: method of treating injuries and recovery. They're always on top
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: of everything. They have a full gym, down there, it's
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: really sick. It's an awesome place. But for you being
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: you know, either when you're out here, if you ever
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: have an injury, you could definitely go to here to waste. Well,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: we could also go to Tijuana, like Tijuana where the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: CPI is. That's the place that has the They have
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: a partnership with the UFC, the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: amazing place. I know the guys who run it, and
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: that's another very similar state of the art place, but
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: they aren't restricted with the type of there's different restrictions
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: in America in terms of what you can and can't do.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Down there, it's the wild West. You can kind of
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: do anything. And so I know a lot of people
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: that have had pretty phenomenal results going there.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering. I have this. I have this gene
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: factor five where I clot really easy. So I wonder
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: if I could do it.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Let's find out what why would that like?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: For example, I can't do IVS really how come because
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Not really easy and that's a genetic variant.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I didn't. I didn't really know about it
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: when uh, when my accident happened, I had a bunch
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: of clots and just so I put a filter that
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: lives in my body forever. It's like a permanent filter
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: that kind of like funnels the blood so it doesn't
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: get stuck.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Where's the filter.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: It's like between my back, in my stomach. Wow, yeah,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: to stop anything coming up, like big clots from my leg.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, hard on my head. So a filter?
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: What's it made out of?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: It's plastic. Unfortunately, because I've read a bunch about him,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: I went on this whole journey because when I found
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: out about it, and they said, we had to put
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: this in you or you could have died because you
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: had huge clots. But you can't remove it. And they
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: have a life expectancy of about twenty years. And then
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or oh can
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: cause whatever. But yeah, I just have PMA positive mental attitude.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: How long ago did you get it put in?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: It was like my accident whatever year that was two
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: thousand and eight.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: So it was almost twenty years ago. So you might
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: have to get it taken out.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: You can't take it out. It's cemented to the wall. Yeah,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: so like you can't you can't do anything with it. Now.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: About ten years later they started making ones that are removable. Yeah,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: mine's not removable IVC filter. Yeah, that's exactly it.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: They can't take it out and put a new one
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: in that's removable.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: Sure, positive.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: That seems crazy.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: They say that the surgery to take it out would
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: be more life threatening than leaving it in.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: Whoa yeah, and so what happens if this thing breaks
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: and fails?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: So ironically, it could do the same thing a clock
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: would do. It would go up to your heart or
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: your head, kill you.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck man, that's it, huh. IVC filter devices top
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: blood clots to prevent them from traveling to the heart
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: and lungs. Wow, do you have to take any kind
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: of medication for this?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: Just blood thinner? When I when I fly fly, because
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: I know I clock, or if I'm if I'm on
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: a tour bus for law long long periods of time,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: I got to take a blood dinner. But then I
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: don't take them every day because it's also a risk
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: to be on blood dinners and if you get in a.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Car or whatever, any kind of cut.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, but I honestly I forget about it. I
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: forget it's even in there. Just but yeah, just like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: but you know how some people will go on, they'll
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: do a marathon and then they'll get an IV. I
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: can't do that, or I just have to really be
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: cautious about getting poked. Yeah, I had a I had
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: an incident that happened years ago where someone was just
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: trying to find my vein and she had poked me
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: tons of times, this nurse, and I had thirty clots
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: just in one of my arms.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck dude.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I've also learned the lesson of not being
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: really cautious in what happens, you know.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can't believe you still spar when you
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: have that. That seems nuts because like you get leg
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: kicked and develop in your legs.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah I could. My doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: over worry about too much or anything. He said, I'd
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: rather you not have a blood thinner in your system
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open, or
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: if you're boxing or light sparring. So yeah, me knock
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: on wood.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: So it's called factor five.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Factor five.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just a rare genetic condition.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, well I think a lot of people have it.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: I think there's I don't know how rare it is,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: but yeah, the people do. You can have half a
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: gene or a full gene, and I have the full one,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: so I'm really prone to clotting. Where my kids, like
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: my one daughter Alabama, she has half of it, so
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Huh whoa Yeah.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: And is there anything you can do with the supplements
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: or anything like that that aids that, uh.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Like a natural blood dinners, beat beat juice or like
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: beat shots. So I pretty much have one every day
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: baby aspirin.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: Beat juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right, yeah,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I mean it ritual was actually the guy who told
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: me about that.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: It was the pre workout before pre workouts. Really yeah. Yeah,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: people would just slam beat juice or or a shot
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: at beat juice. I do it every show, beat juice,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: shoot beat juice, like an hour before you go on stage.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Drinking about one cup two hundred and fifty milliliters of
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: beatroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure. The
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: top number by a few points. The natural dietary nitrates
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: in beats convert into nitric oxide in your body, which
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Oh so it's like nature's viagra.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, basically.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: No, that and gentsing my go.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: Is awesome for energy, so good. Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: And we were all sort of brainwashed when we were
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: younger to think that the only thing that's good for
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: you are drugs from the pharmaceutical company that if you
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: that's petroleum based pharmaceutical drug medicine and that's what's good
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: for you. And all that other herbal stuff is all
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: for retards. It's all for nonsense and hippies and people
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: that don't read books.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Well because they brainwash us.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Hight.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't take any medicine. I don't take advil,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Thailand all good for you anything.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: That stuff that The thing about Thailand or advil, I
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: should say for people that take non steroidal anti inflammatories
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: like ibuprofen, that stuff is terrible for your gut.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Is it thailand All super bad for you?
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: Now? Well, Thailand All. Well, there's a really sad story
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: that I read during the pandemic of this lady who
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: had COVID and she was in so much pain that
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: she kept pounding tailand all, and she died from liver
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: toxicity because tailand all, which has a seed of menaphon
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: in it, kills people every year. How many people? I
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: the number. But it's not a small number of people
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: die from a ceda menaphine poisoning from things like thailand
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: All every year. It's quite a few. Yeah, It's like
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: you think, oh, Thailand All is not going to kill you.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: It's just like a pill, and it won't if you
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: just take one, or if you take two or whatever
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to take. But if you take a lot,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: you're fucked. Five hundred death per year, largely through overdose
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: related acute liver failure. Some estimates put it roughly for
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: what does that mean? Four fifty eight? About five hundred
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: reasonably shorthand, Yeah, a cedamnifhin is fucking poisoning, it can
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: get you. You know, if you take a lot of
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: it and the I don't think that's the same with
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: ib prof I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen desks.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: But I do know that my friend Cam Haynes, who runs.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: I Love Cam.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: Have you ever met him? Yeah?
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we run together.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: Oh really yeah? No shit.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: He actually did one of my uh you know how
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: I was saying, I'm like really into temple training where
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: like you'll temple train, you'll do like a vigorous like
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: resistance weights and then you'll sprint, you know. He came
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: and did one with me and he was like, fuck drive.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: He was like that was that was a lot, you know,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: and we went on. Uh we we run anytime he's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: in l a I Love Cam. Like, people get so
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: pissed that we're friends, wow, because they're like, how do
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: you like someone that hunts? I'm like, cause that's my guy.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: I love him. I don't care if he hunts. I
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: don't care who he votes for. I don't care what
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: he eats, Like, that's my dog. Like you guys, he
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: gave me a bow. It was so cool. We shot
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: it at my studio. It was so he's so cool
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: and I think likewise, probably a bunch of people are like,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: why are you homies with a vegan Cam? Whatever?
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever?
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Whatever? People think, you know, like we I love Cam.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: I think there's way more accepting people on the other
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: side than the vegan side. The vegan side is very hardcore.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: Those people get very adamant about like not being around
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: other people that don't share their.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Values, or I don't care what anyone does. That's good,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I love everyone the same. I don't care
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay, straight,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't care about anything, you know. I
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: just judge people if they're a good person.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I agree, and that's how we all should be.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I met I met Cam. I showed up
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: to actually showed up to Tom and Bert's. Like five
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: K was the first time I ever ran. And I
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: just showed up. My my Homietoby invited me, and I said, fuck,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: I'll go run a five k whatever. I've never ran
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: a five k. I always run by myself just because
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: I like running. And I show up there and uh,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: and I don't know who he is. He's like, what
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: are you gonna pay today. What's your number? And I'm like,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: fuck if I know. And he's like, what about you?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: And he gave me some number and he's like, what
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do? I said, I'm going to try
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: to keep up, and I just ran my ass off
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: like I had, just like tried to keep up with
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Cam and then and then we just stayed friends after that.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: And I did pretty pretty good in that five K
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: actually did way better than I thought I would have.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: You know, that's awesome. That's awesome.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: And then we became friends and he's.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: One of my best friends. Yeah, I love him to death.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: So what I was getting at was that he was
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: taking ibuprofen. He was taking eight hundred milligrams a day,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know he was taking that much. And
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: I was talking to him on the phone once and
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: he was telling me, yeah, I take eight hundred milligrams day.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa wait a minute, how much I go?
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: You do that every day? And I go, why, I'm
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: in pain. I'm in pain all the time, and I
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: want to keep running. And so then I sent him
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: some information that Ronda Patrick, doctor Ronda Patrick put out
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: doses of it on a regular basis, and what it
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: does to your gut biome. So he stopped taking it.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: He said, well, fuck, I don't want to ruin my body.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Let me just stop taking it. The pain that he
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: was experiencing went away after he stopped taking eight hundred
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: milligrams of ibuprofen a day, and he realized that the
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: pain that he was experienced was accentuated by the fact
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: anti inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome. So he's
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: taking exactly exactly, so he's taking all this eight hundred
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: milligrams of ibuprofen every day. It's torching his gut biome.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: That's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: and he's in pain all the time. He gets off
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away. Not wild, yeah,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: but you get brainwashed and it's thinking, I need all
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: these things. Meanwhile, tramaeric and curcumin, and there's a bunch
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: of different anti inflammatories that don't cause any sort of
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: gut disturbance and they're much better for you. And healthy
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: and you can you know, get it from food.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the natural stuff. And then I feel like
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: contrast therapy is so helpful too, you know, like doing
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: sauna cold plunch, Sauna cold plunch. Oh yeah, anytime I'm injured,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: that's that's what I go to.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: I hit up Cam actually one time, and I was like, Cam,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: I just did a half marathon. I'm about to do
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: another one. What do you suggest? He's like, try get
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: yourself an milk, just like I was like, I can't
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: remember who you're talking to, you know, So for.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: You is the vegan thing? Just all animals. It's an
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: animal love thing.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: Uh nah, I wasn't even it is. It is that
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: like I am kind of under the the thought process
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: of if I love one, if I have a dog
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: and I love a dog, I love I kind of
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: love all animals, right, Like I love all animals the same.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm gonna eat that one. I'm gonna
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: shoot that one. But I love my dog. It's a
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: little contradicting to me, you know. But uh, but I
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: didn't even know any of these things at a young age.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: Food would be put in front of me and there
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: would be ham whatever, and I would just naturally put
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: the hand in my ham in my pocket and eat
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: like the mac and cheese or whatever else, the spinach.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: And because my dad had this rule, He's like, you
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: eat everything, you don't get up from the fucking table
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: straight up. I don't care if you're there for three hours.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: That's what it was. Because your mom spent time making
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: the food. You got to eat the food or you
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: don't leave the table. So I'd pocket it and then
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: my mom my mom would find it when she'd go
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: wash clothes. So it started like that, and then next was, oh,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: ham is actually this hot dog? Is actually this hamburger
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: is this? And I'm like, whoa, I just thought hamburger
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: was a hamburger. I didn't really really know cow me
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, So I just naturally didn't lie. I was
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: already like not liking the taste or the texture, right,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, whatever, and so vegetarian from
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: the time I was a kid, all the way up
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: until my accident, and then after my accident vegan. So
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: it wasn't really about animals. It was just at that
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: time it was like I just I wasn't drawn to
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: eat that stuff. That's not what I was into eggs.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: I loved bean and cheese burritos. I grew up on
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: bean and cheese burritos from just from where I grew up,
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: you know, hot sauce. Yeah, you can't beat it. So
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like what I.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Was raised is cheese and bean and cheese burritos.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I wasn't vegan until twenty years ago. I
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: would have dairy.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: But do you ever eat eggs? Never? No, you know,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: if you have your own chickens, it's a pretty karma
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: free food. It's like I have chickens. I have nineteen
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: chickens and their pets. So they wander around the yard
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: have a good time, like hey ladies, Like there's they
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: have no cruelty, no one's doing anything bad to them.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: They go in their nest boxes and they lay eggs
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: and then you just gather the eggs. The eggs will
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: never be a chicken because they're not fertilized. It's just food.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: It's just free food. I mean, it's not free. You
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: pay for chicken food and you take care of them
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But I mean in terms of
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: like it's karma free. No one's getting hurt. Like literally,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: no one is getting hurt. The chickens will lay an
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: egg almost every day. Yeah, and so we have like
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: baskets of eggs in my house.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: We always have eggs, I think for whatever, for whatever reason,
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: now it's like anything and there's this amazing it's actually
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: I think they market it as a protein, a vegan protein,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: but you make egg whites out of it, and it's
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: phenomenal and it has the same amount of protein as
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: egg whites do.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Does it have the same amino acid profile?
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: I think so maybe I see if it comes up
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: what is it called? Um, I have it in my
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: Should you probably find it?
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like it's like and it's not just
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: egg or one of the basic ones. It's one that
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: my daughter had sent me and it's bananas. You make
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: you make omelets out of it, and it's just incredible
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: and you get tons of protein. But I think after
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: I after I eat beef jerky in a hospital for
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: six months, I was like, peace, I'm gonna be vegan.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be vegan watch this, and then I stopped,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: like I stopped kind of having anything that came from
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: animals period, just to see what it would be like.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have honey even, Yeah, no honey, And
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: I just feel fucking good like I have tons of energy.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: I can, I have no lack of energy. I you know,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: I feel great. I feel like I operate like I
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: have I don't know, just feel the best I've ever
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: felt like. Call I am right now, you know.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think everyone's different. Yeah, And that's
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: one of the cool things about having a bunch of
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: different diets out there's a bunch of different options for
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: people to try and find whatever works for you.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even within my family, like my one daughter is vegetarian,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: my son eats meat, my wife eats meat, my youngest
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: son has meat. Sometimes it's like whatever, whatever everyone decides
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: is what I'm cool with, you know, and that's just
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: what works for me.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: That's a great attitude. But I think you also have
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: it dialed in, like you have whatever diet you're on
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: dialed in where you know you're getting the right amount
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: of protein. And there's a there's quite a few different
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: plant sources of protein that have a complete amino acid profile.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those perfect aminos that Gary Abreca, Yeah, those are
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: a game changer. You take five in the morning, five
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: at night game changer.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: It was. I won't say it's like not hard to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: dial it in. It is difficult to dial it in.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: It is. You got to navigate, just like anything else, right, Right.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: There's too many people that they go vegan, but then
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: they just eat like vegan pizza and they don't know.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Crossroads your restaurant. I still have never been, but everybody
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal. Like
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: even Dana who does not like Dana White, who does
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: not like vegan food, He's like, dude, it's fucking incredible.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: He goes it's incredible.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think when you probably don't know
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: what to expect right when you go to a plant
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: based restaurant, right, but Tall Ronan, the chef from Crossroads,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: is just he's incredible and and uh the food, it's
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan. It's
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: not even on the menu that it's plant based.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. There's a place in the valley that I
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: used to go to all the time. God, I can't
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: remember the name of it now. Escaping me was it
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: Folly of your Heart? Yes, I go every day. Yes,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: that's so good. That place is great. Yeah, that's another
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: completely plant based restaurant. We used to go there all
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, lived in l A. Yeah, Fault your
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Heart was pretty close.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah they have they have a little cafe where you
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: can eat an grocery shore supplements and stuff.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's great. They're nut burger very good. Yeah,
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: it's like really, I would crave it.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Like I love I love just everyone
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: being open minded and you know what I mean.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll try anything. Yeah. For me personally, what
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: I've tried. I eat more meat than anything I meet,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: mostly meat, mostly wild game play a lot of rabbis
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: and steak, and that just makes me feel the best.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: You know. I don't love animal cruelty. I don't like it.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's good in any way, shape or form.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: But I also realize that animals eat animals, life eats life. Yeah,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: this is just And the thing about hunting is I
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: am in complete contact with where my food's coming from.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: I know the source of it. I'm there when the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: animal dies, I'm there. I do it. I participate in
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. I carry it out of the woods,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I cut it up, bring it to a
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: butcher shop and have it, you know, package and mistakes.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of cam right now because when he was
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: in my neighborhood, you know, we have deer in Calabasas,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: he was eyeballing him. He was eyeballing him. I'm like,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: don't even fucking think about it.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: Of course he was.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, oh look at that.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at him like, oh, look at the cool
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: family of deer. He's like, oh shit, that's food.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's food. So funny, well, especially him.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I totally, like I said, I get it.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: You know, it's cool that you're so open minded about
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: that that you do and you're not judgmental. It's I
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: think that's a great attitude to have that more people
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: should have adopt with everything with political ideologies, religion, whatever
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, because don't fuck with me. I won't
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: fuck with you. I'd like to hear your opinions on
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: things because i'd like to know where people where they
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: form their thoughts from. What's your perspective?
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate when anyone from either side
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: of things are so aggressive that we're like, you just
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: bum everybody out, you.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: Know they do. And I also think that a lot
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: of times it's not coming from a healthy place to
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: begin with. I think a lot of people find a
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: thing that they can use as an excuse to be
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: an asshole, and whether that thing is their political beliefs,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: or their religion or whatever their social idea, whatever it is,
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: they find a thing that they can call you out
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: because you fuck you, you're the fucking's man, Fuck you man.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: And it's just what's really going on is they're just
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: looking for a reason to be an asshole, and they're
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person. It's
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: at you and you're yelling back at them and you're
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: in an argument. But if you're starting that initiating that
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: because someone doesn't does someone disagrees with you, or doesn't
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: see things the way they're doing, first of all, you're
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: a shitty communicator. Until you're probably a shitty person because
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving, and you're
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: using this point whatever it is, whether it's being a
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat, or
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: being in is a Muslim or being a Christian, or
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck it is that you've decided is more
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: important than being civil and kind and courteous. You're what
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: you really are is just a shitty version of a person.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: Whether you realize it or not. You probably don't, probably
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: don't even probably think you're justified and that's why you're
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: doing it, and you probably think I'm doing the right thing.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: And everyone's like, I love it that you have no chill.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: He's got no chill, Like, no, No, he's a cunt.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: This guy's a cunt, and he's a miserable and sufferable
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: person to be around, regardless of what his belief system
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: is versus the other person's belief system. And if he
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: had a perspective that was I don't know why you
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: think the way you think, but I think differently. Let's
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: have a conversation. You might find common ground, yeah, and
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: you might be able to realize, like, oh, you can
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: have friends that don't think the way you think. I
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: have friends that are Muslims, I have friends that are atheists,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: all I have gay friends. I have a ton of
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: friends that are completely different than me. And that's fine,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. I love them. It's great,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: you don't. Everyone doesn't have to be you. Everyone doesn't
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: have to be the same as you, nor do they
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: have to agree with you. Yeah, but there's too many
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: people that what they're looking for is some reason why
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: they're right and some reason to be an asshole to
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: other people that don't think the same way they think,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: and they think that they're justified by it, and I
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: think there it's a real problem. It's also a real
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: problem with social media because those people, their voices get
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: amplified and people piloting yeah, you go boy or you
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: go girl.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: And I feel like anyone who can like, look at
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean social media is it's corny to begin with, right,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna go on Instagram and then you're gonna
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: say something extreme or fucked up to someone. It's like
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: you're so you're so lame, like that you actually took
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: the time to think about writing something bad, then wrote
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: it then press send, like you're fucked up, you know
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like straight up, like anyone that's gonna
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: say or spew negativity, I'm like, yep, yeah, I just
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: it's just a week place for it.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just weakness. And I guarantee you you're not
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: life with whatever you're pursuing. You're you're not.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: They're lacking, soubptimized.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you know, like that's why they choose the
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people,
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: or have the least charitable take on people. It's usually
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: they're lacking. They're usually at least somewhat mediocre. There's always
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: and then lashing out at other people, which is fine,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: but it's also like other people can learn from that too, Like, God,
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: it seems like a cunt, and then don't be a cunt,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: you know, realize that and go, oh okay, I kind
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: of see that myself. Sometimes maybe we should a little
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: self correction.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I don't ever want to be like that, exactly.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: It's great exactly or the opposite, when someone's like has
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: like a really objective, charitable take on someone, like, hey man,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: maybe he thinks this way, and you know, maybe the
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: right way to approach it is to approach someone civilly.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 2: And we can find common ground. Like some you read
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: someone saying something like that, and you go, oh, I
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: want to be more like that guy. Like that guy,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: like I like the way that guy thinks. Like that
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: that's inspiring to me, Like that to me, like that's
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: probably a cool person to have a conversation with. They're
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: not going to be They're not going to use it
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: shitty and insulting and mean, because you're not changing anybody's
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: opinion when you do that, you're just not you know,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: and what will you get the peanut gallery to pile in? Great,
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: So you've got team Cunt, You've got a little cunt
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: farm behind you, and you're all attacking all these other people.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: And you think, somehow know that you're justified because there's
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: some other flawed people that agree with you, that you're
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: the way you think, or because they only eat plants,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: or because they worship this god or come.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: On, yeah, the world, Like David Goggins has it figured
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: out how he like how he just listens to all
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: his haters or whatever, and he like runs or exercises
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: like that's the that's the shit, Like use it as
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: a tool, you.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, I think you're better off not even listening
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: to the haters. He's insane every time I talk to him, Like,
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: you're so insane.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I said, yeah, anyone that's gonna
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: say anything is so so lame right off the jump.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of lame people in this world, unfortunately,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people that don't have a
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to be a person. It's complicated.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: People don't have a guidebook on how to be a
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: person and be happy.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: And I think you have to. Like I'm disciplined. Like
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like you motherfucker,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: like and I'm like, oh no, I can't do I
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: can't do what they do, right, Like I can't. I can't.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: Especially you're Travis Barker, you're a famous guy. Like if
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: you do what they do, it's a different thing. Like
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: if you go back at them, it's that is one
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: of the lamest things when you see celebrities never going
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: at like fans in the comments like what are you
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: take your phone away? Take his phone away? Who's letting
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: We don't want to see you do that.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: The people who love your music or no whatever.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no. How many people have
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: like ruined other people's opinions of them because they're doing
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: something like that or going on some lame fucking rant
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: against someone because of the way they voted or the
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: way they view this or the way they you know whatever.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: Luckily like the hate the hate, like I get the
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: weird I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: but it's just something like they know they're like throwing
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: darts from across the room at me. Is like, oh, bro,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: he's like a Kardashian now, or he married a Kardashian.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: do is marry a Kardashian and just say fuck you,
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's about like the like
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: that even shows you I clearly don't give a fuck
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, and my my wife
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: isn't like uh, I can't label her like that. She's
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: my wife. She's my soulmate, right. I love her to death.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: But to think like, have you seen me change? Well,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: have you seen me like dressed?
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: Dog?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: I dress so different obviously than my wife or her family.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: Like I'm continued to be my own person's I'd look
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: the same, I've wore the same Dicky's pants, the same
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: band shoes, had the same tattoos that stopped me from
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: getting a real job since I was sixteen years old.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: Fuck you, you know what I mean, straight up fuck you?
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: And uh And that's why I mean. Punk rock is
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: not about music either. It's about like you don't you
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: don't care what anyone thinks, right, as long as you're
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: going you're doing. Yeah, you are who you are and
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: you're not hurting anybody. That that's punk rock.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people thought it was cool
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: that you guys got together, Like look at those two
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: people from totally different worlds that love each other. That's cool.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's the best, it's the best. It's just only
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: a hater would would think that other way though, right, you.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: Know, but if you started getting but it's the one
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: that you're off off and you started wearing clothes.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I started dressing like a lame and I started yeah,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: of course, like dude, come for me, you know, right,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: please please? Uh, but yeah, that's like that's one that's
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: always like funny to me.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, there's the problem with like, you know,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life publicly,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: there's always gonna be hate.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Wayne said it. Lil Wayne said it
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: a long time ago. I remember he told me. He's like,
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: dog you you you haven't made it until you have haters.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: You know you're successful the minute motherfuckers start hating on you.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Kat Williams sit on haters? Oh?
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: Pull that up?
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Oh I bet, I bet it's great.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: He's kind of fantastic bit on haters about people complaining
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: about haters. It's the same kind of thing. Have you
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: found it anywhere? You can't say Kat Williams on haters,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: but I guess it does say haters. Hold on. Yeah,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: he's gotta I think the bits. Okay, give me some volume.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 5: You gotta get your motherfucker hustle. Understand, niggas is gonna
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 5: hate you regardless. Get that out of your head, that
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 5: fantasy world where niggas ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 5: You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about?
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 5: What the fuck do you think I hater's job is
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 5: to fucking hate, So let them motherfuckers do they goddamn job.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 5: What the fuck if you complaining about ladies? If you
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 5: got fourteen women hating on you, you need to figure out
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 5: how to fuck to get the sixteen before the summer
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 5: get hit?
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: The fuck is you mad about?
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: Amen?
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 5: If you got twenty haters, you need forty of them motherfuckers?
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 5: What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 5: here right now that don't have nobody that hate, don't
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 5: feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: say my hair ain luxurious when you know it is pitch.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: That's so good, so true, so true.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: It comes with the territory. Yeah, this is the job
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: we chose, This is the life we chose. You're gonna
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: get haters, totally, but it's your you know, it's your
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: obligation to manage the waters. You You don't have to
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: dive in and fucking never swing in their own shit
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: and waddle around with them like pigs.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: Totally, it's not necessary, but it's never would I you know.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: No, A lot of people do, unfortunately. Just but it's
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: also this is a new thing, like this new thing
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: where people have direct access to everybody like that on
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: the line, if you know, people choose to be on
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: social media, like you have direct access to all kinds
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: of people, and they're going to read your comments and
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: people know that, yeah, if you're a person who reads comments,
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: and so they go and attack you. And it's a
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: weird world that a lot of famous people don't know
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: how to navigate, and a lot of people they get
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: like severe anxiety because they do read that shit and
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: then they're like hold up their home by themselves, staring
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: at their phone. You're in a fucking giant mansion, living
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: like a ball, or you got a Ferrari. Meanwhile, you're
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: in hell.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: Like I said, yeah, if you're not hurting anybody, and
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: it's like you know what I mean, like life, life's good.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it also you'll feel better if you're not
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: doing that totally.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: Or they say like if you do read it and
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: you find any truth in it, like it's your chance
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: to fix it. It's your chance to whatever or or
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: use it as like motivation, you know.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: Like God does.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even if the ship they're they're spewing is so
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: false and fairy tale, it's like still, you know what
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, go go lift, or go box, or go
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: play drums or go do whatever you do, you know,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: use those that always feels good because yeah, none of it,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: none of it really like sits with you, you know.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: And I understand haters too. I've always said this that
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: if I was a fifteen year old kid and somebody
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: gave me a Twitter account, I could get a hold
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: of someone like me and talk shit to him. I
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: would oh, yeah, fuck yeah as a kid, like I
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: don't even know it would be like because we didn't
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: have it.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: But I also know, like from where uh you know,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: punk rock was has always been very finicky, very very sensitive, right,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: you know, the band gets popular, everyone's like, I fucking
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: hate them, they're on the radio. Fuck that band. Yeah,
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: bands now they can they can eat, they can fucking
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he ran fucked them.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: It's like that, you know, skateboarding, which I like changed
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: my life and raise me. Skateboarding is also they're very strict,
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: you know about about who can call themselves a skater
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: or you know, there's just all the all these things.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: There's like when when all these things should just be celebrated,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: Like skateboarding is fucking cool. It's like some of the
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: coolest people in the world, you know, skateboard and and
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: skateboarding's taught most of the world like how to dress
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: properly and serious, like I mean, a lot of rappers
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: basically nowadays just dressed like skateboarders. Skateboarders like set it
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: off like they had the best taste from the jump.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: How do you think that happened? Well, how did skateboarders
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: develop such a great sense of style in your opinion,
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just one of those things, like even
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: from back in the day, like.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: Why that particular activity would have like a whole like
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: style associated with it.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: I mean with like huge pants and like T shirts
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: and just vans, you know, skateboarding and beanies. You know.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: That's that I don't know. But everything from the times
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: skate videos were released, they were secretly maybe they didn't
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: know about it, but they were teaching everyone what the
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: coolest music was. And at the time, music was so
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: categor gized, like you're either a punk rocker, you like country,
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: you like rap, you like that. Skate videos were everything,
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: the illest, best music of every genre. So a bunch
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: and loving the Far Side, you know, so it was
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: like happily confused. They just knew the best of every world.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: It was different.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: You know. It's just interesting that a style of clothing
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: is associated with physical activity.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: Well then you had Lo Wayne, who learned how to
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: skateboard halfway through his career, and I feel like everyone
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: around him look to him for also style and started
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: dressing like him. Wow. So and some people don't even know.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like punk rock and skateboarding. I mean, Playboy
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Cardi wears punk rock clothes. His whole aesthetic is punk rock.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: You know where did he get it from? Got it
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: from punk rock? You know, like it was born there?
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: And uh, I hate gatekeepers, right. I love what he's
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: done with it, and I love that all these new
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: groups of kids that love Cardi and love Ken Carson
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: are they're dressing like punkers. They might not even know it.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: But it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I can't think of another activity that has
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: a style associated with it like that.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there really isn't like BMX people, you know, they
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: were wearing pads and stuff. I mean BMX was really cool.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: I love BMX, but yeah, and there's like, it's not like.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: Skatebo style that's associated with Yeah.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: And skateboarding and punk rockwere like this.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: Right, Well it's rebellion, right, Yeah, being an outcast. It's
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: that are like you understand it.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: But it could have been, right, like skateboarding could have
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: been well, couldn't have I can't even say this, like,
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: but like it's a skateboard. It could have been athletic,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: it could have been sporty. Yeah, it was from the
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: get go. It was raw and it was gritty and
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: it was It's also one of the hardest things as
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: far as like the amount of falls and injuries you take.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: It.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: Gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard.
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of concussions. Yeah, a lot of guys
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: when they're doing tricks, falling their fucking head.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: The board, hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms,
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: breaking legs. It's Yeah, it's a gnarly sport.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're doing it in these urban environments where
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: people are trying to go down railings and.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, street skating. It's like it's just whatever you find
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 1: while you're skateboarding down the street, you know. Pretty cool.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: It is interesting that it has a style of clothing
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: and dress associated with it, yeah. Yeah, and it's that
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: it kind of mirrors like punk rock aesthetics.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and both the genres are very protective, you.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, weird. It's cool, it is cool.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: But maybe it should be protected. Maybe that's why it's
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: still so cool, you know, well.
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: For them, for the people that are protecting it, like
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: and it means something to them. It's probably their haven
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: from the standard society, the pressures of fitting in and
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: conforming that they don't want, and so like this thing
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: is like a church to them. It's like sacrifice. It's
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: like religious.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: I mean when I was thirteen, I felt like an
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: outcast and it was skaters against jocks. Where I grew up,
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: it was like jocks and you played football or you
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: were a skateboarder, which basically you listen to punk rock music,
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: you listen to faction, you listen to d r I,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: you listen to whatever. And we looked really different. So
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: we were we were outcasts.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, all right, yeah, should wrap this up.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing, brother.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: Always good to see you, man, Always good to see you.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: This documentary. When can people watch it?
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: It's out on Hulu right.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: Now, right here, and we're looking at the.
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: Crash, and when I think about it, I have the
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: worst flashbacks.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 5: I've got you on the brown over here.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 6: You know, the last thing my mom said to me
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 6: is just play drums.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 5: The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of people came just to watch him. You
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: just had this.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna get picked up by a band and
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: you will be a star attraction.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: You better get yourself a job, boy, And he said, no, Dad.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play in a punk rock band and
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: I won't have a plan.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 6: B Rob, Mark and Tom come up to me and
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 6: he said.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Our drummer just left. Would you consider playing? The show
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: starts in an hour.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: Effortless. Thinks we're just exploding. That was quite a wild ride.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: I was torn with Blink NonStop. I was taking so
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: many pills that I had a security guard whose only
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: job was to watch me sleep, make sure I was breathing.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: It was all a blur, and then came the crash,
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: just fire and chaos everywhere. Sixty five percent of my
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: body was bent twenty seven surgeries.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: Falling from the sky like Acorus. Probably do some to
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: your head.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 6: I walk in the room and I don't cry.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: Ever he cried.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: Bro Chaye and Chris were like brothers to me. And
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: then I am passing away a year later? Why am
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: I here and everyone else isn't how to ask myself
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: who I was going to be after this accident.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 2: I could never truly understand what he went through.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: I had this burning desire to become the greatest person
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: and father. I could be.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 6: Changed to the whole family, and I feel like brought
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 6: us closer together.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 1: We loved him, trying to cook for us, going on
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: bike rides more knowing how close I got to not
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: being here. My appreciation for life is something I can't
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: even explain.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: Why every hit it's him communicating his story to the world. Dude,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: he has got a crazy story. One more Wow, looks awesome.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you, fuck thanks brother.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: Bye bye.