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DEAD EYES: LAKEN RILEY MURDER SUSPECT BLANK STARES AT BODY VIDEO, "SLEPT LIKE BABY" AFTER MURDER · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The dead eyes the Lincoln
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Speaker 1: Riley murder suspect stares blankly as bodycam video shows the
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Speaker 1: moment this beautiful young girl's body is found, ravaged, beaten, disfigured.
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Speaker 1: Now we learn he quote slept like a baby after
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Speaker 1: the murder. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being.
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Speaker 2: With us about ma'am, ma'am, ma'am oh, how.
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Speaker 3: Did you miss?
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Speaker 1: Immediately as you are hearing heartbreaking sound in an Athens
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Speaker 1: courtroom where the body of Lincoln Riley is found, you
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Speaker 1: hear l A Law Enforcements stating I need MS immediately,
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Speaker 1: I need EMS immediately sent to the location of the
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Speaker 1: phone paying Throughout tonight's presentation you will see state's evidence
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Speaker 1: throughout and let me warn you, it is very very disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now? Straight out to the courthouse
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Speaker 1: standing by Crime online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave,
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Speaker 1: what's happening at the courthouse right now?
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Speaker 4: Nancy gearing up for another incredible day. You know several
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Speaker 4: times the judges already had to warn people about what
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Speaker 4: they're about to see so they can actually exit out
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Speaker 4: of the courtroom. We're looking at a trial, Nancy, that
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Speaker 4: includes blood of the suspect and the victim on the
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Speaker 4: black coat he's seen putting in the dumpster. We've got
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Speaker 4: the technology that actually is able to pinpoint the moment
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Speaker 4: that she has attacked Lincoln Riley is attacked, how long
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Speaker 4: it lasts, how it ends, everything is documented with data. Nancy.
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Speaker 4: He is the most incredible story of technology and good
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Speaker 4: old fashioned hard word from the police officers to build
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Speaker 4: this case against Jose Ibarra.
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Speaker 1: Dave mac this is what I noticed in the courtroom yesterday,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've noticed it, having been in the
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Speaker 1: courtroom throughout the day. I sat about ten or eleven
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Speaker 1: feet directly behind the murder suspect Ebarra, and he's sitting
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Speaker 1: there and he keeps looking very meek and mild. He
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Speaker 1: shows no affect whatsoever. Okay, there's video, guys, just so
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Speaker 1: you know, we're showing you state's exhibits. There is, according
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Speaker 1: to the state, suspect Jose Ebarra Hoose Antonio Ibarra throwing
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Speaker 1: away in the jacket that he wore during the murder.
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Speaker 1: It's covered in Lakin's DNA. Now, when you take a
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Speaker 1: close up look at that, Like I saw it in
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Speaker 1: court yesterday, he under the jacket is wearing a very
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Speaker 1: distinctive shirt. And I couldn't understand, Dave, you've seen it
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Speaker 1: now what they were talking about. White and gray? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I assumed it was a white T shirt with some
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Speaker 1: type of a gray writing or character on the front.
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Speaker 1: It's not. It's a shirt that has what we would
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Speaker 1: call what Americans would probably call Egyptian or even Greek
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Speaker 1: decoration on it. There's the jacket that was taken out
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Speaker 1: of the dumpster. That's it in the dumpster, right on top.
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Speaker 1: They didn't even have to look hard. And what's so significant, Hey,
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Speaker 1: hold on, Dave May joining me right now is Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Foundation and star of
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Speaker 1: Zone seven. Cheryl, the thing is that jacket is right
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Speaker 1: on top of the dumpster. They didn't even have to
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Speaker 1: look too hard to find it. But in that video
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Speaker 1: you see him from behind right. But then up comes
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Speaker 1: an eyewitness that identifies Ebara as the person that throws
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Speaker 1: away the jacket. And there's the bodycam video when they
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Speaker 1: discover it that Idzbarra as the person that throws the
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Speaker 1: jacket away and even identifies that very distinctive white and
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Speaker 1: gray shirt.
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Speaker 5: Nancy. What's critical to me is where he came the
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Speaker 5: direction he came from when he threw the jacket in
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Speaker 5: the dumpster, he's coming from the murder scene. When the
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Speaker 5: jacket is right on top, it actually preserves trace evidence
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Speaker 5: like Laken's hair.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 1: Another issue, and Dave mac I'm sure you've seen it
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Speaker 1: in court today. What is so significant about the shirt
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Speaker 1: that I'm talking about is that just before the murders,
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Speaker 1: Dave matc Ebara was posting selfies and he was also
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Speaker 1: doing snap chat photos and what's happening, and in those photos,
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Speaker 1: this is the significance of the shirt. You can see
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Speaker 1: the shirt on the bottom left second from the left
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Speaker 1: of the screen we're showing you right now, and the
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Speaker 1: bottom right, second from the right, on the bottom that shirt.
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Speaker 1: If you could io in on the bottom right photo,
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Speaker 1: that hat and that shirt critical because just before them
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Speaker 1: are thank you. Just before the murders, he is posting
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Speaker 1: himself and snapchat photos and more wearing that shirt, that
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Speaker 1: shirt and that is the same shirt. There you go,
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Speaker 1: that's the selfie I'm talking about with the front, the
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Speaker 1: sling back on his front, the gray that's the shirt
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, very distinctive. Can you go back one
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Speaker 1: if you don't mind control room, because I can see, yes,
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Speaker 1: I can see that print on it. That's what he's
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Speaker 1: wearing within an hour before the murder. And the hat.
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Speaker 1: Then when he takes off that jacket, according to the state,
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Speaker 1: and throws the jacket covered in her blood and DNA
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Speaker 1: low and behold there he is he basically you know,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you're the veteran trial lawyer. This is your jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen. He might as well have said, hey, it's me.
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Speaker 1: He should have just taken out a billboard on Third
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Speaker 1: Avenue and said, here, I am wearing the same thing
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Speaker 1: the killer was wearing one hour before the murder.
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Speaker 7: Daryl Cohen, All right, So, Nancy, he's wearing a shirt.
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Speaker 7: He's wearing a shirt that was very distinctive. But that
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Speaker 7: doesn't mean he did it. There isn't a video of
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Speaker 7: him doing it. There is no eye witness of him
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Speaker 7: committing a crime. There's more to this than just being arrested.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say, Cohen, that there's not video of
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Speaker 1: him committing the murder. I think I.
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Speaker 8: Heard that you did. There's no eyewitness.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I'm going to pretend that didn't happen.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that had something to do with the fact that
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Speaker 1: her garment watch shows that she was dragged sixty four
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Speaker 1: feet off the trail into the woods. I want to
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Speaker 1: get back on track with what's happening in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Because when you're in the middle of a densely wooded
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Speaker 1: cops of trees, no one can see what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: That's why crimes very often happened behind closed doors where
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Speaker 1: there is no eyewitness. But wouldn't you agree, Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: that a confession an eyewitness or DNA is deemed to
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Speaker 1: be direct evidence.
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Speaker 7: It is, and that's precisely why there is a bench trial,
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Speaker 7: in my opinion, as opposed to a trial by jury,
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Speaker 7: because he wants to.
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Speaker 1: You know, what he gave is exactly correct, go ahead.
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Speaker 7: He wants to mitigate the possible vision by the American public.
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Speaker 7: He wants to make sure that there is no death penalty,
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Speaker 7: which they've agreed upon not to pursue. But he wants
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Speaker 7: to mitigate it by making it less rather than more
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Speaker 7: of a spectacle.
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Speaker 8: So his lawyers are doing a good job in that respect.
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Speaker 1: Back to Dave Mack joining me at the courthouse, Dave Mac,
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Speaker 1: did it strike you during your hours in the courtroom today?
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Speaker 1: How docile he looks, How meek and mild. He never murmurs,
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Speaker 1: he never says anything. He just sits there as the
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Speaker 1: evidence rolls in. And when that body cam video went
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Speaker 1: up of when her body was discovered, this twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old girl that had just made the Dean's List,
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Speaker 1: when her body is found, he just had dead eyes,
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Speaker 1: no emotion at all. Have you seen how meek and
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Speaker 1: mild he acts in court?
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Speaker 4: He acts like he's there on a parking ticket, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: Like he didn't do something heinous and horrible for any
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Speaker 4: parent anywhere. The pick of the video of finding this
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Speaker 4: beautiful young woman was so like in front of her
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Speaker 4: and he has destroyed her, and he's sitting in there like,
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Speaker 4: wait a minute, can I go to the bathroom?
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Speaker 9: I need a hall pask.
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Speaker 4: He acts like he's done nothing, like he's got nothing
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Speaker 4: to defend, like he has no reason for you to
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Speaker 4: be there. It is really disgusting to see that blank
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Speaker 4: scare those dead eyes meaning just not even taking in
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Speaker 4: what he has done.
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Speaker 1: You know, Dave mac talking about him looking like he's
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Speaker 1: there for a parking ticket. I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: what Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell said, look like if.
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Speaker 5: We're going to the head or shirt shirt that couldn't
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Speaker 5: remove her bubber brea.
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Speaker 1: Blunt forced trauma to the head, her shirt pulled up
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Speaker 1: above her breasts. The prosecution said in opening statement, I
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Speaker 1: believe you were there also, Cheryl McCollum, when the prosecution
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Speaker 1: said that that day he went hunting, hunting for a
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Speaker 1: female victim, And when I look at him in court
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Speaker 1: as I did for throughout the day yesterday, he is
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Speaker 1: portraying something entirely different other than someone who beat this
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Speaker 1: girl's head in with a rock and had her shirt
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Speaker 1: pulled up above her breast.
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Speaker 5: Cheryl, he absolutely went hunting. He didn't care who, he
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Speaker 5: just wanted a victim. The prosecution this morning spent a
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Speaker 5: lot of times showing video of Obara go into a
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Speaker 5: first floor apartment, opening the screen door, trying the door knob,
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Speaker 5: trying to gain entry into that apartment. For over an hour,
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Speaker 5: he went back and forth to that apartment, failed to
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Speaker 5: gain entry and then you see him on video walking
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Speaker 5: toward the innermural field.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Cheryl, wanna call him out hunting Listen.
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Speaker 10: The peeping tom charge Jose you Bara Faces happens the
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Speaker 10: same day of Lake and Riley's murder. The victim testifies
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Speaker 10: about being in the shower in her apartment in a
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Speaker 10: university housing building and hearing somebody trying to open her
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Speaker 10: front door. She lives alone. It's early in the day.
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Speaker 10: When she gets to the door and asks who's there.
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Speaker 10: She says the person was wearing a black hood, black hat,
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Speaker 10: black jacket, and black gloves, and when he hears her voice,
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Speaker 10: he ducks down so she can't see his face. In
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Speaker 10: the peepole. She sees him again looking into her living
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Speaker 10: room window, trying to see through the blinds. Seeing the
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Speaker 10: man again, the twenty four year old calls nine to
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Speaker 10: one one and gives a full description to police when
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Speaker 10: they arrive.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl, it sounds like straight out of a horror movie.
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Speaker 1: A young lady, a young girl in the shower, she
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Speaker 1: hears something, goes to the door. Here's somebody trying to
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Speaker 1: get in the door, jiggling the doorknob. Looks through the
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Speaker 1: peepole and says, can I help you. When he hears
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Speaker 1: her voice and realize he's been spotted, he ducks down. Now,
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Speaker 1: who does that? To hear? Darryl Cohen, defense attorney, that's
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Speaker 1: perfectly normal. That doesn't mean anything, will It means something
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Speaker 1: to me that somebody tries to hide their face in
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Speaker 1: the peepole. Then he goes to her living room window
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Speaker 1: and is looking through the blinds, Sheryl wisely. She calls
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Speaker 1: nine to one one, but she identifies him as wearing
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Speaker 1: that black Adida's hat, a black hoodie style jacket. She
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Speaker 1: even says black gloves of the kitchen variety. Not the
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Speaker 1: crime lab or more variety that doctor Kendall Crowns will
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Speaker 1: tell us about, but the kitchen plastic gloves. She sees
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Speaker 1: all of that. When she discovers him, leaves and heads
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Speaker 1: toward the spot where Laken was murdered.
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Speaker 5: Within minutes and you see it all on video, there
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Speaker 5: are men around the area, waiting on the University of
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Speaker 5: Georgia bus. He is not deterred at all that there
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Speaker 5: are men milling about. He tries her door more than once.
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Speaker 5: You can see him on video dunk down and then
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Speaker 5: go behind the building. He even tries to go all
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Speaker 5: the way back to the back door. Nancy. Again, when
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Speaker 5: he leaves, you can see that he's headed right to
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Speaker 5: the trail, and then you can see La Lincoln, sorry,
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Speaker 5: when she is coming down the path moments later to
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Speaker 5: take that left to go down towards where her body
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Speaker 5: was found.
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Speaker 1: You know, Dave Matt joining me in front of the courthouse. Dave,
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Speaker 1: you were there earlier today when Lacn's family had to
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Speaker 1: leave the courtroom when testimony was coming up about the
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Speaker 1: condition of her body. You know, Dave, we worked together
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Speaker 1: a long time, and I've discussed with you how some detail,
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Speaker 1: and it can be very minor, is so upsetting in
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Speaker 1: cases that I prosecuted and investigated. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: her body was totally her face was disfigured, and her body,
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Speaker 1: oh gosh, her body was covered in dirt and mulch
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Speaker 1: and debris. And that the fact of this beautiful girl
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Speaker 1: lying there just disfigured and covered in dirt and mud,
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Speaker 1: that it's so upsetting. I'm glad her family left from
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Speaker 1: the courtroom, Dave mac and also today in court video
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Speaker 1: of her running running that morning was shown. I guess
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Speaker 1: more surveillance video, Dave.
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Speaker 7: There is.
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Speaker 4: They've got surveillance video from all around the campus, the buildings,
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Speaker 4: the track area. That's not we've been able to put
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Speaker 4: the case together. Nancy, One quick thing, you know, the
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Speaker 4: pictures that they're showing, the videos that they're showing. You know,
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Speaker 4: we've been covering this case since it began, and we
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Speaker 4: kind of got to know Lake and Riley's life before
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Speaker 4: all of this took over. And for those of us
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Speaker 4: who have followed it, it's like we have a real
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Speaker 4: connection to her as a as a young woman, as
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Speaker 4: a college student, as somebody that could be our daughter,
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Speaker 4: our granddaughter, and to see her demolished like that, and
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Speaker 4: just to think about it, we are looking at the
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Speaker 4: blank stare of mister Deadeyes, who doesn't even show any
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Speaker 4: reaction to this beautiful young girl who's been totally destroyed.
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Speaker 4: You mentioned the dirt, she's got, dirt tangled in her hair, dirt,
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Speaker 4: blood leaves.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 4: The police officer mentioned her shirt being pulled up. He
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Speaker 4: actually clarified that to point out that it wasn't from
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Speaker 4: her being dragged, you know, like you could probably tried
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Speaker 4: to excuse it some way like that it was pulled
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Speaker 4: up for a different reason than that, and then bashing
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Speaker 4: her head with a rock. You know that blunt force trauma.
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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Nancy, this is one of the most
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Speaker 4: horrific descriptions that we've seen, and now seeing video pictures,
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Speaker 4: I am glad the family got to believe they don't
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Speaker 4: need that kind of image in them for the rest
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Speaker 4: of their lives.
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Speaker 2: Technology plays a big part in the trial, as Riley
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Speaker 2: is wearing a garment smart watch when she goes out
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Speaker 2: for her job. Using data captured by the smart watch,
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Speaker 2: investigators determine something happened at nine ten am that made
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Speaker 2: Lake and Riley stop dead in her tracks. Around that time,
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Speaker 2: Lake and Riley hits the SOS function on her phone
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Speaker 2: and calls nine to one one. The data from the
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Speaker 2: Garment smartwatch shows Riley is on the trail with her
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Speaker 2: attacker for about four minutes and the garman moves sixty
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Speaker 2: five feet into the woods. Prosecutor Sheila Ross says, once
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Speaker 2: her heart stops at nine twenty eight am, there's no
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Speaker 2: more movement from her garment.
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Speaker 1: We have been in the courthouse throughout the trial. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now outside the house is Dave maatt crimeonline
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac explained to me the
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Speaker 1: significance of the garment watch that lake and Riley was
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Speaker 1: wearing at the time she was murdered.
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Speaker 4: The significance is that this garment watch is a smart
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Speaker 4: watch that actually it tells your heart rate, It tells
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Speaker 4: number of feat you've gone, and mark your movement using
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Speaker 4: GPS data where they can tell where you are at
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Speaker 4: any given moment, you can tell where you moved, and
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Speaker 4: in this case, it actually documents when lake and Riley
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Speaker 4: actually comes into contact with her killer. It actually documents
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Speaker 4: how long that takes. And again it actually documents the
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Speaker 4: sixty four feet that her killer drags her away. All
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Speaker 4: of that is documented. The most important thing though, it
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Speaker 4: documents at nine twenty eight am everything stops, heart rate,
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Speaker 4: everything stops, and her body never moves again. That's all
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Speaker 4: from the garment watch.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, how can that be attacked at trial? I mean, Darryl,
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Speaker 1: if you want to win a case, you prepare your
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Speaker 1: own case, then you figure out somehow use that noodle
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Speaker 1: and you figure out what they're going to claim. They're
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Speaker 1: going to claim and this proves nothing, So how can
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Speaker 1: I attack that defense?
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Speaker 8: In this case, you and I disagree, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: There are times, in cases such as the one we're
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Speaker 7: talking about, when the evidence is so overwhelming, you're looking
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Speaker 7: for mitigation.
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Speaker 8: You're looking for a way.
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Speaker 7: To show that your client is not as bad as
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Speaker 7: the commarme that he admitted.
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Speaker 8: That's what you're looking for.
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Speaker 7: You're looking to make him look better, You're looking to
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Speaker 7: make him act better.
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Speaker 8: You're not going to make the evidence go away because
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Speaker 8: you get looking on that.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Joining you right now is
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Speaker 1: Scott Iiker. He is a founding member of the FBI's
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Speaker 1: Cellular Analysis Survey Team c AST, Historical Cellular Analysis expert,
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Speaker 1: former FBI agent twenty two years, former cop, former homicide whoa.
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Speaker 1: It just goes on and on. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at pc A experts dot com. Scott, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. There's a lot of digital data in
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Speaker 1: this case. Okay, I want you to explain to me
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Speaker 1: why A Garman and other similar watches are basically infallible. Now,
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Speaker 1: somebody like Daryl Cohen can take that raw evidence and argue, hey,
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Speaker 1: she was doing her disco dance glass that morning. They
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Speaker 1: can say all sorts of things, but the evidence itself
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Speaker 1: cannot be disputed. Why what is it? How does it work?
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Speaker 1: Does the hook up to a satellite? This guy tell me.
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Speaker 6: I tell you, Nancy, some of these technologies that they're
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Speaker 6: out there these days is fantastic for UH criminal investigations.
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Speaker 6: We use this data all the time when we're dealing
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Speaker 6: with trying to find victims, trying to find missing people,
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Speaker 6: we use it to try to find fugitives. It's great data,
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Speaker 6: especially this type of you know, fitness devices, wearable fitness devices,
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Speaker 6: either a smart watch or a garment. They record so
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Speaker 6: much data along with the phone itself. I watched the
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Speaker 6: testimony yesterday regarding the fitbit and you know, the speed
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Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden stop and then the
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Speaker 6: heart rate. This data is fantastic, especially when you're added
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Speaker 6: to the GPS data that was you know, from the
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Speaker 6: garment and from you know, the phone itself, her phone
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Speaker 6: with a nine to one one call and all that stuff,
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Speaker 6: and the triangulation or timing advanced information that they provided
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Speaker 6: UH in testimony yesterday showed that you know, the garment
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Speaker 6: the defendants phone overlapping right in the same area as
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Speaker 6: great evidence, and it's so amazing that we can get
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Speaker 6: that data and constantly use it in these type cases.
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Speaker 1: Could you explain exactly how it works and why it's
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Speaker 1: so difficult for the defense to attack it? Again, they can,
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Speaker 1: as Darald will tell you, attack the interpretation. What does
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Speaker 1: it mean, It's pretty hard to attack the fact that
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Speaker 1: at nine twenty eight, according to her garment watch her
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Speaker 1: heart stopped, debating, it's pretty hard to attack that. But
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Speaker 1: that said, they could attack the scenario leading up to it.
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Speaker 1: But why is the data itself so infallible? How do
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Speaker 1: we know we can rely on it?
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Speaker 6: That type of data is really not subject to you know, interpretation.
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Speaker 6: It's actually coming from a device. There's it's not a
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Speaker 6: person's an opinion. It's not you know, video that might
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Speaker 6: be a little sketchy, hard to see. This is actual
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Speaker 6: data from a device that is impartial. That data gives
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Speaker 6: us tons of information the time of death. Amazing. We
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Speaker 6: saw that garment device even register when the officer was
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Speaker 6: there trying to do CPR on her after he found her.
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Speaker 6: All that information was required by that device.
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Speaker 1: Oh, could you explain that place? Would you explain that, Scott,
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Speaker 1: I sure can.
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Speaker 6: I was looking at box the testimony yesterday and the
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Speaker 6: officer was looking at a chart about her heart rate
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Speaker 6: and it had stopped, and then it started to get
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Speaker 6: a little bit later in the graph. And what that was,
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Speaker 6: according to the person that was testimony and was the
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Speaker 6: officer that found her, he started doing CPR on her
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Speaker 6: and that actually kind of registered on her garment that
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Speaker 6: her heart was kind of beating, But it was actually
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Speaker 6: the CPR that was being read on her German watch.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me, Scott Iiker, renowned expert, former FBI Cellular
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Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team cellular cell phone. That's what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Sell data. What about this, Scott? I just want to
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Speaker 1: make sure, and I don't want to give the defense
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Speaker 1: any ideas, but is there a way that the timing
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Speaker 1: on the watch could be wrong? For instance, the one
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Speaker 1: I've got is still giving me regular time night daylight savings.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how to fix it, so
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Speaker 1: I just calculate that in is there a way? Uh
23:38
Speaker 1: huh okay. But what I'm getting at is, is there
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Speaker 1: a way the defense could attack something about the data,
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Speaker 1: for instance, the timing to therefore give him an alibi
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. If they could attack that garment timing any
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Speaker 1: way this thing can be attacked.
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Speaker 6: It's hard to do, but I do understand that timing issue.
24:06
Speaker 6: The timing issue also often comes up.
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Speaker 9: In different cases.
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Speaker 6: One is, you know, you might have a time on
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Speaker 6: a video that's a little bit often a time on
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Speaker 6: a phone which might be a little bit off of
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Speaker 6: a time on a garment watch. You can take that
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Speaker 6: into effect, and you should know that before you're getting
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Speaker 6: up and testifying or putting on the prosecution, that there
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Speaker 6: are going to be some time, you know, discrepancies, maybe
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Speaker 6: a couple of minutes, maybe a full hour because a
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Speaker 6: watch is not you know, as standard or you know,
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Speaker 6: daylight savings time. So that should be planned for and
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Speaker 6: you should be able to overcome that exactly.
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Speaker 1: Scott and we saw this come up in the Delphi
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Speaker 1: double murders trial when the selle data of one of
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Speaker 1: the little victims looked as if, according to the defense,
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Speaker 1: that an earphone had been plugged into it to the
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Speaker 1: phone after the state said the victims were murdered. Okay,
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Speaker 1: see the problem there, big problem. But then it was
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Speaker 1: later explained on cross examination through simple Google search that
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Speaker 1: your data will make that presentation if it gets water
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Speaker 1: or dirt in it. It shows the same thing that
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Speaker 1: maybe something's plugged in. What it is is water and
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Speaker 1: dirt has seeped into that crevice. So you're right. The
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Speaker 1: expert must be prepared for all eventualities such as can
25:38
Speaker 1: this garment data be attacked on cross and if so,
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Speaker 1: how and be ready to shoot it down and there
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Speaker 1: is a way to shoot it down? Correct.
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Speaker 6: I agree, there's always arguments that you can make against
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Speaker 6: the data. You got one attack to bring that up
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Speaker 6: in the initial testimony, so you don't have the defense,
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Speaker 6: you know, pull that out as a surprise.
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Speaker 9: You should bring that up first, and then if he
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Speaker 9: has additional questions during the cross you answer them again,
26:10
Speaker 9: and then you have your prosecutor come back and touch
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Speaker 9: that one more time. So it's clear to the jury
26:17
Speaker 9: order the judge in this case that how that data
26:20
Speaker 9: is explained.
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Speaker 10: Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell performs life saving measures on Lake and Riley,
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Speaker 10: even though he reports there's no pulse and she's already stiff.
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Speaker 10: Maxwell tells an officer arriving on the scene and taking
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Speaker 10: over CPR. It appears Lake and Riley has blumpworsh trauma
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Speaker 10: to her head.
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Speaker 11: One of Lake and Riley's roommates concerned when Riley wasn't
26:38
Speaker 11: back from her run, uses the find my iPhone app
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Speaker 11: and sees Riley on her normal jogging route, but at
26:44
Speaker 11: ten forty five am, the location hadn't changed, so two
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Speaker 11: of Riley's roommates went on the trail looking for They
26:50
Speaker 11: find what they think is one of Riley's AirPods and
26:53
Speaker 11: don't find Laken, so they return home and call Uga
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Speaker 11: Police at twelve oh five pm. UGA Sergeant Kenneth Actuell
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Speaker 11: response to the call and it takes him twenty one
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Speaker 11: minutes to find Lincoln Riley. He describes finding Riley's partially
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Speaker 11: nude body.
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Speaker 1: Lincoln's family had to get up and leave the courtroom
27:10
Speaker 1: as testimony poured from the witness stand today about the
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Speaker 1: condition of her body, how her clothes were all pulled
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Speaker 1: up and jerked around showing her body parts, she was
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Speaker 1: covered in mulch and dirt and left there like that dead.
27:29
Speaker 1: Her face bashed in and is speakured joining me at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse. Climb online dot COM's investigative reporter Dave Mack,
27:38
Speaker 1: I'm especially interested and a jailhouse call that a bara
27:44
Speaker 1: made to his wife believe Leela Franco tell me the
27:51
Speaker 1: crux of that phone call, Dave.
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Speaker 4: Mac It was really about how could you possibly be
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Speaker 4: there and not do it? Apparently, you know this is
27:59
Speaker 4: all Frands, but all jailhouse calls a recorded, We all
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Speaker 4: know that.
28:03
Speaker 5: But he says, I.
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Speaker 4: Was there, but I didn't do it, and she's like, wait,
28:08
Speaker 4: wait a minute, you were there, you didn't do it.
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Speaker 4: How do you see somebody that is dead and you
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Speaker 4: don't call nine one one oh?
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen? How does a defense attorney attack that? Daryl
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Speaker 1: Cohen joining me, high profile defense lawyer in the Georgia jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: who is practiced in this courthouse many many times. What
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Speaker 1: do you do with that? His own wife is saying, well,
28:33
Speaker 1: wait wait, you're there and you see her dying, and
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Speaker 1: you do nothing. His own wife is up to here
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Speaker 1: with him.
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Speaker 8: What do you do with that?
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Speaker 7: The answer is, in my view, you leave it alone
28:48
Speaker 7: because nothing he can say is going to make it
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Speaker 7: better and he's not going to get on the stand.
28:55
Speaker 7: So what you do is you leave it alone from
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Speaker 7: the testimony, no questions, your honor, and then you argue
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Speaker 7: it on the last time that you have to argue
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Speaker 7: in front of the court and you say he did
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Speaker 7: not admit to doing it.
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Speaker 8: That's what you've gotten.
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Speaker 7: And so you've got to deal with what you have
29:15
Speaker 7: and hear the evidence, you know.
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Speaker 1: What, JERYLD. Cohen. Here in lies the rub the conundrum.
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Speaker 1: If they had chosen a jury trial, there could have
29:27
Speaker 1: been an argument, and I believe that there was to
29:31
Speaker 1: keep this out of evidence under the husband and wife
29:35
Speaker 1: marital privilege. Here's the problem with aventch trial. When the
29:41
Speaker 1: judge is making all the decisions and acting as the jury,
29:45
Speaker 1: she hears all of the evidence that could get suppressed.
29:50
Speaker 1: So how are you going to put that out of
29:51
Speaker 1: your mind? This had a chance at being suppressed under
29:56
Speaker 1: husband wife marital privilege, right, but the judge heard that.
30:00
Speaker 1: If it happened to suppress, he's already heard. It's too late.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: There's so much evidence pieced by piece by piece that
30:08
Speaker 7: the only thing the defense says is to show he's
30:11
Speaker 7: not as horrible as the crime that he is accused
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Speaker 7: and will likely be convicted of doing.
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Speaker 8: That's what you've got.
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Speaker 7: You don't have a choice. This is not a win loss.
30:20
Speaker 7: This is not a guilty versus not guilty. This is
30:23
Speaker 7: a guilty that he's going to have.
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Speaker 1: Period crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Karen Stark
30:39
Speaker 1: is joining me. Renowned psychologists joining us out of the
30:42
Speaker 1: Manhattan jurisdiction, TV radio trauma expert. You can find her
30:46
Speaker 1: at Karenstart dot com Karen with a C if you
30:49
Speaker 1: are looking for her. Karen Stark, this wife. You know,
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Speaker 1: the reason that this was not suppressed is because it
30:58
Speaker 1: was made on jail house call. And Carrie, you and
31:02
Speaker 1: I have talked about this many many times. Let's just
31:05
Speaker 1: say you and your lawyer. Okay, first of all, let's
31:08
Speaker 1: pretend Karen Start committed to murder and you're with your
31:10
Speaker 1: defense attorney and you're talking about your case. That's privilege
31:14
Speaker 1: unless you're doing it at a cocktail party and people
31:17
Speaker 1: are listening. You quote, waive the privilege. You can no
31:21
Speaker 1: longer assert attorney client privilege because other people could hear you.
31:26
Speaker 1: That's on you. So in this case, his husband wife
31:29
Speaker 1: conversation he had with the wife or name is Ley
31:32
Speaker 1: Lunge Franco. The conversation he has with her is in
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Speaker 1: an open venue, on a recorded transmission from the jail.
31:41
Speaker 1: That is how the state defeated the defense argument. Okay,
31:46
Speaker 1: that said, idiot, I can only say it again. He
31:50
Speaker 1: calls his wife and places it's Scott Peterson all over again.
31:54
Speaker 1: He places himself at the scene of the crime with
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Speaker 1: the dead body, and his wife is like, I can't
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Speaker 1: believe that she stood there and watched this girl die
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Speaker 1: and did nothing.
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Speaker 12: But Nancy, I mean clearly he is not a rocket
32:13
Speaker 12: scientist in this because we know that those phone calls
32:17
Speaker 12: are being taped and can be heard. But this guy
32:21
Speaker 12: has no emotions. It's called emotional blunting. The whole idea
32:25
Speaker 12: that his eyes are dead, that he removes himself from
32:29
Speaker 12: the consequences and circumstances of what happened.
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Speaker 9: He actually can turn.
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Speaker 1: It all off.
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Speaker 6: We're going to the head or remove her bubber breath.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Sergeant Kenneth Maxwell with the UGA Police Department,
32:43
Speaker 1: upon the discovery of Lake and Riley's body. Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: Her injuries were so severe that her face was disfigured.
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Speaker 5: She was beaten with a rock until she was dead. Nancy,
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Speaker 5: you and I have always said the victim's body tells
33:04
Speaker 5: a story from head to toe, but so does Josea
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Speaker 5: Bars And let me tell you what his body tells me.
33:12
Speaker 5: His wrists, his knuckles, his elbow, his arm, his throat,
33:16
Speaker 5: his neck, his back. It tells me Lake and Riley
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Speaker 5: fought him, not just for eighteen minutes, but she fought
33:26
Speaker 5: him for her life. And I think that is going
33:29
Speaker 5: to resonate with not just the judge and not just
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Speaker 5: the community, but the entire United States.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is a very special guest. It's doctor
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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's renow medical Examiner, chief medical Examiner in Terran County.
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Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
33:50
Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU and has conducted thousands of autopsies of
33:56
Speaker 1: all genre, be the accident side, natural causes, and of
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Speaker 1: course murder. Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Could you describe the injuries to Lake and Riley.
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Speaker 3: So she had blood force injuries of her head that
34:12
Speaker 3: deformed her facial skeleton. So with the murder weapon being
34:17
Speaker 3: a rock, it's a hard, kind of oddly shaped object
34:23
Speaker 3: that was repeatedly bashed into her head until her skull fractures,
34:28
Speaker 3: exposing her brain and killing her. She would have lacerations
34:33
Speaker 3: and abrasions associated with that and then she's described as
34:37
Speaker 3: having other injuries on her chest and abdomen that are
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Speaker 3: linear that could be from her clothing being violently pulled
34:44
Speaker 3: or another object being used to hit her with as well.
34:47
Speaker 3: But usually these blunt force object injury pmicides are very
34:52
Speaker 3: primitive and very traumatic because it takes multiple strikes to
34:56
Speaker 3: kill a person with the object.
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Speaker 1: What is a depressed skull fracture because she had that
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Speaker 1: on the side of her head, Doctor kimdl.
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Speaker 3: Crown, So, depressed skull fracture is your cranium is kind
35:07
Speaker 3: of a has a kind of a dome shape and
35:09
Speaker 3: when it's hit in it, it pushes in. So that's
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Speaker 3: what a depressed skull fracture is, is a pushed in
35:14
Speaker 3: skull fracture.
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Speaker 1: Depressed skull fracture on left side of head. Eight other
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Speaker 1: lacerations to the left side of her head which literally
35:25
Speaker 1: look like holes h o l ees holes. What does
35:31
Speaker 1: that mean, doctor Crown.
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Speaker 3: You look at that rock. It has kind of a
35:35
Speaker 3: point at end, and it's almost like it could be
35:37
Speaker 3: punched into her head, punching out these lacerations or making
35:41
Speaker 3: the holes on the side of her.
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Speaker 8: Head as well.
35:43
Speaker 3: All the blood on the rock as well as she's
35:45
Speaker 3: just being hit repeatedly with this rock, ripping her head open,
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Speaker 3: fracturing her skull, exposing her brain.
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Speaker 1: I am particularly interested in the fact that she had
35:56
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging in the particular in her eyes, which is usually
35:59
Speaker 1: indicative of a strangulation or asphyxiation of some sort. How
36:03
Speaker 1: is that possible with blunt force trauma to the head.
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Speaker 3: So it's possible that she was strangled as well as beaten,
36:12
Speaker 3: because the particular hemorrhages are going to be from more
36:16
Speaker 3: likely than not being strangled. That's how he possibly gets
36:19
Speaker 3: her to the ground. Sometimes with these cases, they strangle
36:22
Speaker 3: him initially thinking that they've killed them, they're going to
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Speaker 3: rape them, and then the person wakes back up because
36:29
Speaker 3: they didn't strangle them long enough, and then they switch
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Speaker 3: up to beating them with the available blood object at
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Speaker 3: the scene, which happened to be a rock in this one, Doctor.
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Speaker 1: Kennel Crowns, you have guided me through many murders where
36:42
Speaker 1: some type of a blunt object was used, from a
36:46
Speaker 1: baseball bat to a wrench, as in the case of
36:50
Speaker 1: doctor Teresa Sivers, or just very often we can actually
36:56
Speaker 1: look at the injury in the brand in the goal
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Speaker 1: and can match that injury back to the weapon. You know,
37:05
Speaker 1: think of a wrench, or think of a hammer, or
37:08
Speaker 1: think which was in siver as a claw hammer, but
37:11
Speaker 1: in this case a rock due to the gross formation
37:18
Speaker 1: of a rock as opposed to a cylindrical weapon like
37:21
Speaker 1: a baseball bat. Can you match an object like a
37:26
Speaker 1: rock up to the deformity in the head the disfiguration
37:31
Speaker 1: of this skull.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you could bring it up next to the
37:35
Speaker 3: depressed skull fracture and get kind of a size comparison.
37:38
Speaker 3: But unlike the other objects that you're describing, it won't
37:41
Speaker 3: leave a pattern injury like a hammer or a claw
37:45
Speaker 3: A wrench would leave. A rock is just kind of
37:48
Speaker 3: more of this amorphous odd shape, So you can't get
37:51
Speaker 3: a good pattern match on a rock.
37:54
Speaker 1: Joining us at the courthouse, sitting through all of the evidence,
37:58
Speaker 1: Dave Mack from Crime Online. He's an investigative reporter. Described
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Speaker 1: to me, Dave Mack, the injuries on Ebara, the suspect
38:08
Speaker 1: in this case, Actually, you know.
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Speaker 13: What they're scratching. The ones that stick out to me
38:12
Speaker 13: are the scratch marks that are clear on him from
38:15
Speaker 13: the very beginning, because you know, we know that Lake
38:18
Speaker 13: and Riley put up a fight. We know that from
38:20
Speaker 13: her garment. Watch we know everything. See he's showing there
38:23
Speaker 13: on his arms, He's showing these marks all over his
38:27
Speaker 13: body and their marks from Lake and Riley as she
38:29
Speaker 13: is fighting for everything she's got and he just again.
38:33
Speaker 13: How can this dead eyed man sit in court knowing
38:36
Speaker 13: all of this is going on. You're seeing the pictures
38:38
Speaker 13: on screen.
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Speaker 1: He's scratched all over the place. Nancy to doctor Kendall
38:42
Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical examiner Terrance County, if you could dummy
38:45
Speaker 1: down for me just one moment, Doctor Crown's, how is
38:48
Speaker 1: the DNA under her fingernails preserved?
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Speaker 3: So when the individuals scratch the person that's killing them,
38:57
Speaker 3: the skin gets ripped off the and they scratch and
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Speaker 3: it builds up underneath the fingernails itself. So you can
39:04
Speaker 3: find that debris on the examination by doing fingernails scrapings
39:10
Speaker 3: at the time of autopsy, usually using this wooden kind
39:12
Speaker 3: of spatialistic but that it's usually found quite readily when
39:17
Speaker 3: they've scratched an individual multiple times.
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Speaker 1: The victims hands are preserved at the scene with paper
39:24
Speaker 1: bags placed over the hands and then rubber bands placed
39:29
Speaker 1: at the wrist to secure the bags. Paper is used
39:34
Speaker 1: over plastic, so there is no transfer to Cheryl McCollum.
39:40
Speaker 1: Amazing and not in a good way. That Ibora slept
39:46
Speaker 1: quote like a baby the night after Lacan was murdered,
39:51
Speaker 1: the night sheet was murdered. How do we know that Cheryl.
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Speaker 5: McCollum Law enforcement had body cam own When they went
39:58
Speaker 5: to the apartment after two sub subjects come out, they
40:04
Speaker 5: see Josea Bara in the bed through the front door.
40:08
Speaker 5: They bang on the side of the door. They holler
40:10
Speaker 5: for him to wake up, wake up, wake up. It
40:12
Speaker 5: takes a minute for him to you know, shake it
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Speaker 5: off and wake up and get up out of the
40:18
Speaker 5: bed and put it slides on to come outside. And
40:21
Speaker 5: that's when we see him talking with his brother and
40:25
Speaker 5: his other roommate and he starts to laugh.
40:28
Speaker 1: He starts to giggle. After sleeping, Beauty is finally awoken,
40:38
Speaker 1: sleeps like a baby. According to prosecutors, thinking Lake and
40:46
Speaker 1: Riley's body is still out there, we wait as justice unfals.
40:55
Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our guests for being
40:58
Speaker 1: with us and wading through this evidence and sparring with
41:01
Speaker 1: me regarding how evidence could be tested and disproven, but
41:06
Speaker 1: especially to you, justice is unfolding right now in a
41:11
Speaker 1: court of law, and we are there and you are
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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you, goodbye friend,