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FT Live @ Winter Meetings: Terry Francona, Oli Marmol, Stephen Vogt · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Terry Francona is here, manager of the Reds, a legend
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  Speaker 1: in our sports. I've been told we have like sevenish minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I am by that, right, Let's not forget playoff Reds.
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  Speaker 1: Playoff Reds. That's right, first season at the Helm playoff team. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit him with the hard question right away,
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  Speaker 1: like what's your pitch to a free agent like Kyles
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  Speaker 1: Forber about why.
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  Speaker 3: They should join your little set of really talented players.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, I I don't want to talk about
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  Speaker 4: any player specifically, because I don't think that's respectful. I
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  Speaker 4: tell anybody that wants to listen, though, the truth. I
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  Speaker 4: love our guys. You know, people talk about leadership and
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  Speaker 4: all this stuff. The guys in that room know the
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  Speaker 4: difference between right and wrong, and they choose to try
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  Speaker 4: to do right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, AJ knows this.
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  Speaker 4: You know, every manager stands up there the first day
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  Speaker 4: and says, hey, we can't be late. We're gonna hustle.
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  Speaker 4: Our guys were never late, never. I appreciate that. You know,
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  Speaker 4: was is it perfect?
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  Speaker 2: Some days?
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  Speaker 4: No, It's never gonna be. But it's a group that
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  Speaker 4: I love trying to see how good we can get.
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  Speaker 3: And there were some guys late in prior tenures with
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  Speaker 3: other teams.
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  Speaker 2: Did some Reds games. I did some Reds games down
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  Speaker 2: the stretch, and he said the same thing to me.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, these guys get it. Yeah, they work, they do.
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  Speaker 2: They really do.
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  Speaker 4: Like you ask them to do something, they look at
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  Speaker 4: you and they try, and their competitive as hell. And
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  Speaker 4: I think because of our age, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: I hope our trajectory is still going this way because
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  Speaker 4: you know, our goal isn't to win eighty three games
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  Speaker 4: kind of sneak into the playoffs. You know, we want
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  Speaker 4: to be better than that. But our guys got to
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  Speaker 4: feel getting downs to a champagne and then three days
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  Speaker 4: later they got to feel how much it hurts when
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  Speaker 4: you get sent home early. And I told them to
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  Speaker 4: remember both feelings.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, for a free agent that might ask this question,
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  Speaker 1: Amcrats is not on with us the second. But he's
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  Speaker 1: got this conspiracy theory that the ballpark there actually is
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  Speaker 1: playing like a little more a little less great American
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  Speaker 1: small park.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's the case or is the pitching
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  Speaker 3: just so much better?
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  Speaker 4: I think we did hit home runs, okay, that's fair,
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  Speaker 4: But I think being serious. I think it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: hit now. I mean, god, dang man, guys. You know
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  Speaker 4: some of these guys they don't command, but they're throwing
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  Speaker 4: a hundred when you're facing them once in the sixth inning.
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  Speaker 4: That's no day at the beach. Hitting is really hard.
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  Speaker 4: They're just pitching has evolved so much and it's changed,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just hard for hitters.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite player to watch is Ellie de la Cruz.
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  Speaker 1: No secret there. And we heard that there was some
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  Speaker 1: injury issues down the stretch. What did you experience being
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  Speaker 1: with him every day? Because I know it was important
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  Speaker 1: for him to play every day, but did that hold
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  Speaker 1: him back?
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  Speaker 4: And I I was just telling some of the other
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  Speaker 4: guys I needed to own up to that I probably
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  Speaker 4: didn't do him any favors. I mean, I love the
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  Speaker 4: fact that how much he wanted to play every day,
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  Speaker 4: and I respect that a ton. I do think I
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  Speaker 4: need to probably step in occasionally and go, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 4: get off your legs today, and and I think that
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  Speaker 4: will help him in the future. He'll hate it, but
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  Speaker 4: I think it'll be good for him.
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  Speaker 3: You have experience with that. Jose Ramirez battled you, didn't
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  Speaker 3: he do.
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  Speaker 4: You want to piss him off, tell him he's not
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  Speaker 4: playing now. Josey in his would would d H and
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  Speaker 4: he is. He got a little older. Ellie fights me
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  Speaker 4: to the nail and and like I said, I really
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  Speaker 4: respect it, but I still need to probably step in
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  Speaker 4: and go, hey, I need to explain it better to
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  Speaker 4: him why it will help him.
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  Speaker 2: You love that though. As a manager, you want guys
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  Speaker 2: that want to love the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: You much rather have guys that say I want to
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  Speaker 5: play a guys are like, oh thanks, I'll take the
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  Speaker 5: week off.
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  Speaker 4: Like people ask you all the time, like when you
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  Speaker 4: go to take a picture out and they're mad, I
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  Speaker 4: hope they're mad.
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  Speaker 2: The ball Now that's a little too far.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't want somebody looking in the dugout after
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  Speaker 4: the fifth and like hey, come get me. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll figure it out. But I like the fact guys
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  Speaker 4: that want to stay out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One more on the transaction front, Hunter Green's name came
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  Speaker 1: up like early this offseason, and I was like, why
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  Speaker 1: the heck would the Reds do that? So I know
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  Speaker 1: that's not your job, but if you see a rumor
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  Speaker 1: like that come out, do you make a phone call like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I think we should hold on to this guy, no.
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  Speaker 4: Because I actually remember when it did because I was
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  Speaker 4: with I was with Nick, and I go where he goes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes things in today's world with internet and everything,
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  Speaker 4: as we all know, if it's on the internet, it
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  Speaker 4: has to be true, of course. But that got legs
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  Speaker 4: for some reason. And we can't go get those guys
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  Speaker 4: in our market, so for us to trade them, somebody
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  Speaker 4: better give us their whole team. And actually we love
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  Speaker 4: our starting pitching. So I don't know where that got
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  Speaker 4: legs and it shouldn't have.
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  Speaker 3: You got last.
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  Speaker 5: I love Nick by the way. Oh he's unbelieved, he's
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  Speaker 5: been on He's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and bad there, I'm telling you, man, I've never
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  Speaker 4: been accused of being the smartest person, and I know that.
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  Speaker 4: But I came here for the right reasons. And when
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  Speaker 4: you're with people every day, because it's challenging man sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: and I love going through with guys like that that
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  Speaker 4: I respect and they care about me.
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  Speaker 2: And look out for me.
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  Speaker 5: He lost one of your guys though, Yeah, Millsey he retired.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah what are you going to do without Milsey? Because
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  Speaker 5: he's been with you for how long?
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  Speaker 4: Well, since our first year together was nineteen seventy eight.
• 5:35
  Speaker 4: Think about that, I mean cribbage games, you think about that.
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  Speaker 4: But we're so close that. I was so happy that
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  Speaker 4: he was able to be in a situation where he
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  Speaker 4: could handle it coming back family wise, and then so
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  Speaker 4: for him to say he did it, not to be
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  Speaker 4: able to go home and be with his family. Everybody's
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  Speaker 4: happy for him. I mean, it's just that guy is
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  Speaker 4: He's everybody's either uncle or grandpa or brother. He's just
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  Speaker 4: the salt of the earth and that will never change.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was good.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good final question there for May say we'll
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  Speaker 1: see you at reds Fast. We're going to be there
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  Speaker 1: for our show.
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  Speaker 3: We are.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he is, but I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: there with Todd Fraser and Danny Green. We're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: That was the promise. Five with now ten with him
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  Speaker 1: when we see him at reds Fast, appreciate you be
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  Speaker 1: right back.
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  Speaker 3: How's life with him? Bloom?
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  Speaker 2: It's been good.
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  Speaker 6: The transition has been seamless, man, because he was around
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  Speaker 6: quite a bit the last couple of years, specifically last
• 6:33
  Speaker 6: year having Mo and him, it was as smooth as
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  Speaker 6: I could have ever anticipated the the way they handled
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  Speaker 6: everything from just Mo really focused on the big league team.
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  Speaker 6: Him was kind of implementing a lot of different systems
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  Speaker 6: of the process down the minor leagues and hiring down
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  Speaker 6: there in order to set us up for success. So
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  Speaker 6: as we got past the trade deadline, a lot more
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  Speaker 6: communication and meeting with him a lot more often.
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  Speaker 3: The off season has been great. Man.
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  Speaker 6: I love the way he thinks, he cares about people,
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  Speaker 6: loves the game, So that part of it's been really
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  Speaker 6: really good.
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  Speaker 7: Should it be seamless? Like I mean, you when you
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  Speaker 7: have a new guy come in, do you kind of like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: how's he gonna like? How's he gonna mix this up?
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  Speaker 7: Because it hasn't gone the way we wanted it the
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  Speaker 7: last two years. Or is it like I'd rather have
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  Speaker 7: it seamless and then we figure it out.
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  Speaker 6: No, I mean when I say seamless, all those conversations
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  Speaker 6: have been taking place for months now, even spring training
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  Speaker 6: this past year, so there's no surprises as far as
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  Speaker 6: how he thinks and what he's looking to implement, and
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  Speaker 6: he's done exactly what he said he was gonna do.
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  Speaker 6: So from from that standpoint, that's what I mean by seamless.
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  Speaker 6: Is there's been no surprises in how he communicates and
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  Speaker 6: what we're trying to accomplish.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, is there anything different he's brought to the table already,
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  Speaker 5: meaning terminology things he looked for was there forever I
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  Speaker 5: played with no doubt?
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  Speaker 2: Right, So is there is he?
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  Speaker 5: Is he changing terminology? Is he changing what they look for?
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  Speaker 5: Is he changed how you guys go about you know,
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  Speaker 5: the off season?
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  Speaker 6: A combination of all those things, right, He definitely wants
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  Speaker 6: to do things a little bit different and change things
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  Speaker 6: up from the way we've done it in the past.
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  Speaker 6: There's obviously a lot of history and things that have
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  Speaker 6: been sustainable here that he will keep. But there is
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  Speaker 6: an element of changing how we look at player acquisition
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  Speaker 6: in the draft and how we look at even development
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  Speaker 6: minor leagues. A lot more horsepower and resources be important
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  Speaker 6: to that how we develop guys at the big league level,
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  Speaker 6: adding staff members that could aid in that as well.
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  Speaker 3: So that's been a positive.
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  Speaker 6: And he communicates well with me, But he does a
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  Speaker 6: really nice job of communicating with our staff as well,
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  Speaker 6: so that everybody's on the same page and understand that
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  Speaker 6: there's one common language and here's what we're headed towards.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I worked with him or worked for him for
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  Speaker 7: like two months when I was with the Red.
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  Speaker 2: Sox and he was he was a Red Sox.
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  Speaker 7: He does an incredible job of communicating well with everybody,
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  Speaker 7: but he also here's your input. What's the one thing
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  Speaker 7: that you can tell us that you're like, hey, I
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  Speaker 7: really need more of this since he's come on board, Like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I enjoyed this from MO, but we lacked
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  Speaker 7: some of this that I would like a little bit
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  Speaker 7: more of as managers of the big league team that
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  Speaker 7: I want to win.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the thing that comes to mind is when you
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  Speaker 6: look at some of the resources that have been important
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  Speaker 6: to the minor leagues, that was a big part of
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  Speaker 6: it is not being spread too thin down there and
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  Speaker 6: guys trying to do several different jobs. So I think
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  Speaker 6: the process that has been put in place, the hiring
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  Speaker 6: process and the people that have been brought on man
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  Speaker 6: is already seeing the benefit of that, and we're going
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  Speaker 6: to continue to being able to add a couple guys
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  Speaker 6: at the big league level as well. So I think
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  Speaker 6: that more than anything, is just being able to have
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  Speaker 6: more manpower behind what we're trying to do.
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  Speaker 5: Before we go on. You know, your answer should have
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  Speaker 5: been to that money to get players. That should have
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  Speaker 5: been your answers time you gave it to give us money?
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  Speaker 5: Do you get players?
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean money? It's good players.
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  Speaker 3: I hear you, yes.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I'm just saying. It's my opinion.
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  Speaker 6: You like things that you know, things that you can say.
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  Speaker 3: You know. That's why you have that seat. That's perfect,
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  Speaker 3: the best role in the world where you're just like
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  Speaker 3: money for players. Can we spend money? Yes? Okay, great,
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  Speaker 3: well all right, let's get it money. Of course that
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  Speaker 3: is true. All right, let's get to some specific players.
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with Sonny Gray, who obviously is
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  Speaker 1: not with the team now, but your thoughts on that
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: move and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Always looking for some storyline at the winter meetings.
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  Speaker 1: The sexy storyline to start things off is did he
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  Speaker 1: want to.
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  Speaker 2: Be a Yankee?
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  Speaker 3: And his agents are.
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  Speaker 1: Plaguing and all that, And you just spent a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time with Sonny, So.
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts.
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  Speaker 6: I love Sonny, I love the way he competes, the
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  Speaker 6: way he prepares its next level, and guy's feet off
• 10:54
  Speaker 6: of that man even when he came in first spring training.
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  Speaker 6: The way he goes about his bullpens and just the
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  Speaker 6: days in between. You want your young guys to notice
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  Speaker 6: a lot of that and and try to mimic it.
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  Speaker 6: I hate seeing him go, but when you look at
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  Speaker 6: I mean him was pretty clear on what the objectives
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  Speaker 6: are and what we're trying to do. Like he said,
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  Speaker 6: we're not going to concede anything for this upcoming year.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna compete and keep the standard high, but at
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  Speaker 6: the same time set ourselves up for success in the
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  Speaker 6: futures where we show up and you know you're gonna
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  Speaker 6: win and having that type of club that's extremely competitive
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  Speaker 6: and that's part of the Sunny trade, and there's going
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  Speaker 6: to be more down the road here shortly.
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  Speaker 2: So wait what what it's wait what?
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  Speaker 6: So it's it's it's it's unfortunate to see those type
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  Speaker 6: of guys go. But at the same time, you know
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  Speaker 6: you're setting yourself up for success and everybody's on the
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  Speaker 6: same page as to what that needs to look like.
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  Speaker 2: He snuck it in.
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  Speaker 5: I got, I got, I heard that. But who's going
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  Speaker 5: to take over the leadership role? Sonny was kind of
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  Speaker 5: the leader of the of the starting rotation and kind
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  Speaker 5: of the pitching staff. Who's going to take over that
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  Speaker 5: role on your team?
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  Speaker 3: Now, I think you have to grow that.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard to sit here and say this guy is
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  Speaker 6: the guy, but you do have guys that are young
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  Speaker 6: that have leadership qualities. In a liberatore in am agreevy
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  Speaker 6: that you you're wanting them to take that next step.
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't mean they have to be the guy because usually
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  Speaker 6: it's a guy that's been in the league, that's has
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  Speaker 6: ups and downs at the big leagues already that can
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  Speaker 6: speak to that. But these guys couldn't take that next
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  Speaker 6: step together and collectively grow into that type of role.
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  Speaker 3: So I look forward to that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean when you look at each one of
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  Speaker 6: those guys are very different in how they go about
• 12:21
  Speaker 6: their business. But Deliberator, he does have the leadership qualities
• 12:26
  Speaker 6: to be able to do it like Libby's.
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  Speaker 3: He's a dude man.
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  Speaker 6: The way he thinks about the game, the way he
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  Speaker 6: prepares you can he gets punched in the face and
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  Speaker 6: there's not a whole lot of emotion, which is something
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  Speaker 6: you want to see in that type of role.
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  Speaker 3: So he's someone that can definitely grow into it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, had Sonny accepted the trade before last season. How
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  Speaker 7: much different would this season this past season have been
• 12:46
  Speaker 7: for you guys in the sense of like scrambling during
• 12:49
  Speaker 7: spring training to try to find somebody. Is it better
• 12:51
  Speaker 7: that it happened now and then you have the off
• 12:54
  Speaker 7: season to figure it out, because if he had accepted
• 12:58
  Speaker 7: the trade from last year, how different would it have
• 13:01
  Speaker 7: been for you guys throughout this this season that you
• 13:04
  Speaker 7: have you still on michaelas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did.
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  Speaker 6: We still had guys that can take the ball, and
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  Speaker 6: thankfully all of our starters took the ball every every
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  Speaker 6: time out. But it did give an opportunity for like
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  Speaker 6: a Libertore to be in the rotation this year, and
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  Speaker 6: it gives us an opportunity to see what a Kyle
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  Speaker 6: lay he comes into spring training built up, and give
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  Speaker 6: him an opportunity to start as well. So you have
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  Speaker 6: enough time and and him's been clear he'd like to
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  Speaker 6: add another one before we get the spring training, So
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  Speaker 6: that'll be interesting to see kind of how that pans
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  Speaker 6: out as well.
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  Speaker 5: Since your whole coaching still well not all of them,
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  Speaker 5: but most of your coaching staff his ex cardinals, great,
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: can we fire descalso and hire me as the bench coach?
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  Speaker 1: No chance change every day, right, every day, every day
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  Speaker 1: you imagine my life.
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  Speaker 3: You're a saint, You're a saint. No chance?
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  Speaker 2: What about Controllers? Yeah, I mean that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: next big name, right.
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  Speaker 5: It has a no trade in Nolan, So it's it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of Wilson and Nolan are the next two that
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  Speaker 5: have no trades.
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  Speaker 6: And Wilson's been clear about he loves being here in
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  Speaker 6: Saint Louis and he loves the group and being a
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  Speaker 6: part of building this group up to get to where
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  Speaker 6: we want to get to. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna have to make sense more so for not
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  Speaker 6: on him but his family.
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  Speaker 3: And he's the type of guy you can have these
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  Speaker 3: conversations with. He's very upfront.
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  Speaker 6: He loves where he's at, he loves the situation in
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  Speaker 6: Saint Louis, he feels at home. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 6: if it makes sense, then it's a conversation. So we'll
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  Speaker 6: see kind of where that leads. But the other one
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  Speaker 6: with with Nolan, Yeah, I mean, we've got a couple
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  Speaker 6: of months, we'll see kind of how this song plays out.
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  Speaker 7: This might be super idiot question. Any chance Contraires can
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: still catch did he put a mid on his hand
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  Speaker 7: at all last year. As far as like Cardinals trade value,
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: it's tougher to trade just a first baseman who had
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: a catcher would be way different.
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  Speaker 6: He has a passion for it and if needed I
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't put it past them to be able to
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: go back there and still do it. He took the
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: first a lot better than I anticipated, Like I thought
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: he would be good over there, Like he did a
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: really nice job man. Footwork around the bag was good,
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: and his dedication to it was awesome. So I think
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: there's some versatility there.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: What will it take And I know you don't have
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: all the answers to this question for you guys to
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: compete with the Milwaukee with the with the Cubs, right,
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: because for the years and years and years it was
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: always the Cardinals dungeon right, and then the last few years,
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: obviously Milwaukee's taking off the Cubs made the playoffs. What
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: will it take for you guys to give back to
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: the Cardinal way, which for me was always man, they
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: win and they compete every year.
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: That's when you talk about the sunny Gray move and something.
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: It's setting yourself, setting us ourselves up for success down
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: the road, and that doesn't mean a ways away like
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: that can be pretty soon. But it's a combination of
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: some of these young guys taking the next step in
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: their career and being able to do what we think
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: they're capable of doing and doing what they know they're
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: capable of doing, but also strengthening the pitching side and
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: getting some guys that can miss some bats and and
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: and compete in that kind of top of the rotation
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: type of guys. So that's something that we've we've lacked,
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: we've lacked death and at the moment we do have
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: some young guys that are coming through that we're pretty
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: talking about.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wait, sorry, go ahead, crauch.
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: Oh no, How surprised were you with how Hellsley did
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: when he went to New York? And if like, what
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: did you see? What did you see from him? Did
• 16:32
  Speaker 7: you see anything in his mannerisms? Did you see anything
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: in his pitch usage? I know you're not You're you're
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: managing your own team, but I'm sure you kept.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: You know, Oh.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you do keep track because you want to see
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: how these guys do once they leave. And it's something
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: he battled with even with us, and he was in
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: and out of it. Obviously there's a ton of noise
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: around the pitch tipping, which is a real thing for
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: him that he falls in and out of, and at
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: times there's there's several things that he does that that
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: can give it away that he's well aware of. But
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: in the heat of the moment, game speeds up on
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: you and you fall into it. So there's some things there, man,
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: but this is a real competitor. I enjoyed having Healsley Man.
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: We went through times where it was just keeping him
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: healthy and there was times where man, he wanted the
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: ball all the time, like last year. So I enjoyed
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: having him. I think, I think he'll bounce. That can
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: be just fine.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: When you when you say pitch tipping, Yeah, did you
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: guys know he was doing that? And did you guys
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: work with him on that? And then so it was
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: a constant because once a tip, are always a tipper.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: And so I don't know what it was. I'm not
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: going to get into all that, but you guys identified
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: that in the Cardinals.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: It was documented too though, I mean there's articles about
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it right. It's it was a pre pitch delivery for
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: fastball and slider where it's like a little.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Bit of a bend and you can tell.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: So there's a combination of things there, and we'd have
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: to get two into the nitty gritty, but he would
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: fall into it, and then the correction for it would
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: kind of lead to a different type of tipping. Right,
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: So there's this back and forth of just trying to
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: mask it so that he didn't fall into it.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: But somebody the Ryan Dempster, where you just did everything,
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: all the crazies.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: It is hard, man like creature of habit, and sometimes
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: you fall, especially in the heat of the moment. Man,
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: you're fifteen pitches into an outing and you're just trying
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: to and you fall back into it and the next
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: thing you know, it snowballs on you. So it's not
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: the easiest thing. He's definitely aware of it, and I
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: think we'll be fine. Pressure rams up your your weaknesses
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: come out big time.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Right like you know those cratch.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: The more pressure there is, the more your weaknesses appear.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Whether it's tipping, whether it's you know, hitting, whatever it is.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: That's when you're like, oh, everything gets exposed. And so
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: that's why with pictures it's so hard for them to
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: stop doing it all right, before we let you go.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Since you're a hometown guy like me, what's your favorite restaurant?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Orlando?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Dude, I haven't been here and so like you were
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: living here. That was back in like two thousand and four.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: So okay, what was your favorite restaurant?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: You can't say like somebody I got nothing?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You got nothing?
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: No, not Christine, I'm not just like favorite thing to do?
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Like did you go? Were you a Parks guy? Did
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: you go?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: What did you do in here? I was in high school?
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: So I have lived here high school. I haven't been No,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: you haven't been here sin high school school?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Because then I want to treat.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You because when I was a DV we had skipped in.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: We all went to Universal for sure, Like I can
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: see the roller coaster form the my math class. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: but I have to live here since high school we
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: burn Jupiter for twelve years.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Can he have the year defensively? Yeah, dude, he had
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest years of all time.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: This dude, when I say, he's an absolute like savage
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: when it comes to wanting to be that guy, every
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: year he cares and he wants several of those gold gloves.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: He's passionate about it, and I think the bat's going
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: to be a real thing for him.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: He can spray it all over the place.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: He's got some pop, and I think as he continues
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: to get older, we're going to see a really good
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: version of that side of him. But defensively, man, he
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: cares and he wants to be the best to ever
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: do it, and it'll be fun to watch him.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: By the way, DP alumni game is December nineteen. Are
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: you in you going? No, I'm out of town, but.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: You can don't ask me, dude. Good to see you,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Good to see you, brother. Hey, we're back, Stephen. Vote
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: is here. You should do the intro.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Here, turn back to back, back to back, manager the back.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Did you I mean, did you think it was coming?
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Because I didn't think they would. I thought they would
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: have vote tired to vote, tired of Murph and then
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: both of you guys won.
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was pretty cool. I mean, Uhpe.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Written this year. We'll see, we'll see.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: I mean, honestly, it means so much, right, It's like
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: it's an organizational award. It really is recognizing what our
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: guys did. And it was a unique year, to say
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: the least for us, but so really honored to get
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: that happy for Murf and but you know, I was
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: not expecting it at all.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So part of it is there's always a narrative with
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: these awards, right, whether it's the team had lower public
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: perception of expectations. I feel like this one had just
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that during the season
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the team had essentially no shot of winning the division
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and then they storm back. So where was a point
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: where you looked and you were like, this is cute.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen this year.
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: You know, you try not to go there, right because
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: as soon as you go there, you make up your
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: mind that you can't. And I think the beauty of
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: our game is we play one hundred and sixty two
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: of these things and until you have an E next
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: to your name, you're not out of it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And that was really the rhetoric we used.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: And then to try and get the guys, it's, hey,
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: we're here to win today. We can't control what happened yesterday,
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: and we can't worry about tomorrow.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yet, so you gotta you gotta at Tito.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: So you you have to you have to keep your
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: head down and you have to focus on today and
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: our guys did a phenomenal job of that and they
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: were able to come back.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I remember we had I did a game of yours.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: It was in submit September ish, and you guys are
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: right there, and I never forget You're in your office
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: and he pulls up his chair you know, you know
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: most managers kind of stay by on their desk. He
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: literally pulls up his chair like dis closed. He's like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: what do you got? And I was like, oh man,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: this guy's locked.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: In and I asked him.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I literally I literally looked at you and go, how
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: are you guys doing this right? Because you look at
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: their lineup? But then I watch you guys play and
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, every piece fits, every guy knows
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: what they're doing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And to me, that goes to the manager.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: You having good communication skills and saying, hey, you're this,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I need you to do this, You're this, You're this OZI,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: You're the star.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Go be the star. Boom boom boom boom boom.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: So yes, you won Manager of the Year again, But
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: I was just so impressed when I talked to you
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: and you're like, what do you got?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: It was one of the coolest things ever and then
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: to see you guys make it. And obviously the playoffs
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: didn't go as well as you wanted. But with all
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: the things you lost, you know, losing nail or losing
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Class A, losing all the things you lost along the way,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and here you are that that is all credit to
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: you well in the organization.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: No, and I and I appreciate it, and I think,
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: really what it comes down to, and our coaches do
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: a phenomenal job of this, it's every one of our guys.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: We have to play perfect baseball.
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: We we have to make plays, we have to throw strikes,
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: and we have to take advantage of things when we
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: when we get opportunities. And to our guys credit, they
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: did that the last two months of the season especially.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, this was a team that you know, like
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: you said, we could have easily folded and no one
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: would have cared, No one would have thought twice. And
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: but that wasn't enough for our guys, and they wanted
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: to keep going. And man did they play some really
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: good baseball down the stretch. Wait, but now I'm going
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: to spin it forward. Okay, we're at the winter meetings.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: We want to figure out what the Guardians are going
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: to do. So it was a great story, but it
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: didn't go where you wanted it to go. Ultimately, what
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: do you think the team needs to do?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like, try and give me, if you can, something really tangible,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like I really need more pop, I really need you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: give me something that you really want when you have
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a discussion with your front office.
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know it's been this way in
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: Cleveland but since before I got here. But you know
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: the majority of our success is going to be with
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: the group we have. We need to continue to develop
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: these guys. We need to continue to push them and
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: help them grow up. We're still super young, right, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: it's exciting. You look at our offense in September. We're
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: we're the thirteenth best offense in September with all young guys.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: There's a lot to be excited about. And those guys
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: have another year under their belt. So what we have
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: to do, the tangible thing is we have to help
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: our guys figure out who they are individually as hitters,
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: because if we get our entire group to get better individually,
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: we're going to have more offense. So whether it's more pop,
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: whether it's better to strike, hitting more execution, whatever, those
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: things are, That's what we're going.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: To continue to coach, and that's what our guys are
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: working on. This winner.
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: So to say we need this, I don't think you
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: can put your finger on on one thing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: And I really like our group that we have. How
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: do you do that?
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Are you or your hitting coach or someone calling these
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: guys all winter? Are you flying around the country to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: see guys? How do you have them call video? How
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: do you how do you work with guys even though
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: because you.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Live in Seattle? Right? Yeah?
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: So how do you how do you work with these guys?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is conversations.
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: A lot of it is just talking, and it's helping
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: guys understand Hey, what were your reflections?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: We're you know, our coaching staff.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: There's no off season now there isn't, right, I mean
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: players don't stop training, we don't stop coaching at Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: No.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I used to take a few weeks off.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: You know, I didn't touch a bat for three months
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: because I didn't want to think about hitting.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Right. So, but it's changed, the game has changed.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: I think there's some good and bad with that, right,
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: But our hitting coaches are diving in with these guys.
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: They're sharing video our hitting coaches will fly around to
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: work with guys from time time, but it's also their
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: career and their time, so we try to leave them
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: alone as much as possible, but also we want to
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: support them throughout the year, and I feel like we
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: do a pretty good job of that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Sorry and this never happens,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but the name is escaping me postseason rookie the latter. Yeah, right,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I just wanted I didn't want to Butcher that it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: been a long.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Day his first game.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to aspects we haven't told.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I don't remember he.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Doesn't either, But Chase thrown into the mix like that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So what was that experience like for you as a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: manager to try and get this dude into playoff mode
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: when he doesn't even know what big league mode is,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: and then what's he going to be like in the future.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the sky's the limit for Chase.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Obviously with him, it's health, right, He's he's had a
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: hard time staying on the field, regardless of the level.
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: But when we've seen this guy healthy, he absolutely rakes.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: He plays a good outfield and that's why we felt
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: thrown him in there. He had been working, he'd played
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: in a few games in Arizona, and I mean why not.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: We were searching for offense, and he had great plate
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: appearances throughout the course of the postseason. And you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: first fly ball, your first opportunity in the big leagues,
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: and he gets a sunball the one spot that the
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: ball could not get hit, It got hit there, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: to his credit, he didn't let that shake him. He
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: came right up his next to bat, worked in two
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: to four to two walk through, made the play of
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: the game that won the game for us, throwing the
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: runner out, the lead runner making a perfect throw. I mean,
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: he's a he's a solid player. He walked in confident,
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: he was not big eyed, and I knew he was ready.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: And we felt like as a group that that was
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: the right decision. Who's the guy you think on your
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: team side to him? Obviously you think he can take the.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Next ship, But who's the guy, whether that guy that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: either in the minor league or a guy that was
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: on your team that can take the next jump and
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: help you guys the most bow Naylor Naylor.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: He made some really good adjustments with his lower half
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: this last year and now this offseason clean up the
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: path a little bit more to get some more consistency.
• 26:59
  Speaker 8: But Bonnaylor is one of the best athletes in the
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: big leagues. I mean, he can catch, he can throw,
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: he can block, calls a great game.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: He's the leader of.
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: That pitching staff along with Loston Hedges and David Frye,
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: and but the offense is coming for Bonnaylor, and I
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: think he's going to be a huge piece of our
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: team next year.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Hey, you mentioned it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It's no secret this team can't go big in free
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: agent spending and all of that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: They dropped what it was it four million bucks on
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Austin Hedges.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He thank you, proud, like you're in the that was you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Whatever hedge he's making, it's not enough. I mean you
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: can look at his offensive numbers. You can pick apart
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: any player and say, oh, they're not. Austin Hedges is
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: the leader of that clubhouse. He makes our pitchers better,
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: he makes the position players better, he makes everyone around
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: him better. And he's a really good catcher and a
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: really good hitter. And the numbers may not always back
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: it up, but he had a seven to fifty ops
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: the last six weeks of the season.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Like he can hit.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: He's a leader, he's elite, and the value that he
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: brings our clubhouse and our team is invaluable.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Does he want to be a manager one day?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: He's open to it. Okay, you know the couple of years.
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: Calm down. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna have to reel it
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: in a little bit.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you've done that. Yeah right, Yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: we're measured.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: When and when there's no cameras on, we have a
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: good time, you know, so exactly, head, you can.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Do whatever he wants in this game.
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: He's an elite leader, he's a smart baseball person, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: I think he's gonna do whatever he wants.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, who from your bullpen? How do you guys keep
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: finding these guys? It's just like, oh, we'll throw him
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: in the bullpen one hundred with a split and a
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: big curveball. Who's who's the next guy for the bullpen
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: for the Cleveland Guardians.
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's a testament to our scouting, player
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: development or pitching group of just identifying these guys as
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: amateurs and then bringing them in and developing them and
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: bringing them up and getting them prepared to do it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And we have a really exciting guy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: Franko Alamann six eight six', nine you, know ninety six ninety,
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: seven good.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Slider, uh he's.
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: Coming he's had some health, issues but, uh we've got
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: a number of pitchers we're really excited. About but that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: an area we need to we need to, address is
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: our bullpen and where we're working on.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That i'm gonna give you one tough one just while
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: we're on. It i'm not gonna ask you anything to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: do with obviously like class a ortise all, that but
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: just from a managing, perspective you all of a sudden
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: just got two players plucked, away, RIGHT i mean you
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: deal with that with.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Injuries but what was that like to deal with as
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a manager this?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Year it was.
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: Difficult there's no there's no playbook for that, one, right
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: that one's not in like a handbook or you, know
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: there's no bingo card with that one on. It so
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: it was A and obviously the investigation is still going,
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: on so it's it's a it's a tough situation for,
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: us AND i couldn't be more proud of the way
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: our guys handled. It you, know we talked about, it
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: we made ourselves available to, you, know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Talk it, out whatever you need to.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: Do but we have a game tonight and we have
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: a choice to make and we can either feel sorry
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: for ourselves or we can go out and we can.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Win and to.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Credit to our, guys they they rallied with each other
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: and it feels it felt like we didn't skip a.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Beat and that's a testament to our.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Players that's exactly WHAT i was thinking that the.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: BULLPEN i, mean, yeah how good Can Gavin Williams because
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: the second half of the year he was one of
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: the best pitchers in? Baseball big twelve to six are
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: throwing the high heater with big.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Rig, right, yeah a big. Rig how good can he
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be because he figured something? Out he can be.
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: ELITE i, mean the dude made three delivery, adjustments added
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: a pitch in. Season those are things you just not
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: many people can. Do and the stuff is. Real he
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: is an absolute. Bulldog he doesn't show, it but this
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: dude's got passion And gavin can.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Be as good as he wants to.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: Be And Carl willis and the pitching team do a
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: tremendous job with all of our. Starters our starting pitching
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: was really the story of our. YEAR i mean all
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: of these guys stepped up in a huge. Way we
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: saw huge strides from From gavin And Joey, Cantillo Slade,
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: Seconi Logan allen was as steady as you can be
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: for you so really And Tanner bibe had a great second.
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: Half so we're really excited about our starting.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Pitching there's a big difference from this past season to
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: the season. BEFORE i felt.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Like there was a lot more solidified right with the starting,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: rotation because even when we're trying to, look, hey who's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: going to pitch playoff? Games and if they keep going,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: further probably had a little more comfort in what was there.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: No, DOUBT i mean that was our biggest, growth right
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was our starting.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: Pitching and these guys stepped up when when we did
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Lose CLASS, a the starters picked up the sixth.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Inning the starters Took Kate smith's sixth.
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: Inning so That kate could be in the ninth and
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: all the credit goes to our starting pitching for what we.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Accomplished, hey last, one But.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Kate smith took over the ninth, inning, Right Hunter gaddis
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: took over the eighth. Inning you move out a lot
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: of these guys, back did you think at the, end
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: they got a little bit tired because.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You use them a lot and you relied on.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Them, basically this is the second year in a row
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: where you really relied on these guys are. Studs did
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: you think a little bit they had to HAVE i,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: know you try to stay away from but and, yes
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: you're starting pitching was.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Better but still you're, like we're In we're trying to
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: win every.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: Game it's, hard, RIGHT i, mean we play a ton
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: of one run, games one and two run games a,
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: week and these guys stepped up and they were damn
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: near per ficked again for two years in a. Row
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: and there's always a little bit an element of. Fatigue
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: AND i think each one of these guys is learning
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: more and more about their, bodies learning more and more aout.
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: Themselves and you, know we throttled back their workload a
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: little bit this year that compared to the year before
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: when they all through seventy eight eighty games the year.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Before so it's definitely something we're aware. Of we talk with.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Them they're they're having great offseasons right now to prepare
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: their bodies to do it. Again and you, know anytime
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: you can give those guys a night. Off it's a good,
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: thing but, uh we don't get too many of those.
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: OPPORTUNITIES i love that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: LOVE i just like When cleveland's good at, baseballs someone
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: that played in that division for a long.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Time Like i'm, like one of my first big league road.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Trips was jacob when it Was Jacobs field and they
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: were and it was Just and when you go back
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: there and like you turn on the playoffs and there's
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: forty thirty five, Thousand like to, me that Is, yeah
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: they get behind.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: You it's an unbelievable sports. Town and we our fans are.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: Incredible they support us all year whether we were doing
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: well or, not and we CAN'T i can't be more
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: thankful for.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Them we were the warm. Up he's got to do, press,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: confidence all that. Stuff see changed much that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: The full jacket on the. Style we'll see about the award.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Show h
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  Speaker 8: M hm