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Real Football: Is Patrick Mahomes BACK?! · Go Long Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Jim Bonas.
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SPEAKER_01: I just hit record without him knowing because he was...
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SPEAKER_01: Piecing together a well-thought-out argument on why everyone should tune in
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SPEAKER_01: to Real Football with our own Jim Monas.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's a pleasure to have you, but
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SPEAKER_00: let it rip, Jim.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll shut the hell up.
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SPEAKER_00: No, we do this pod, and we have a great time because we actually do our work.
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SPEAKER_00: You go to places, you go to the team's actual sites, you talk to the players.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually watch tape.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually did this job for a living.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's fun to be able to see the stuff that we talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: Honestly, we're giving everybody that listens to this good info.
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SPEAKER_00: Whether or not you agree with anything we say, we're giving you good info.
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SPEAKER_00: We're the ones telling you, be careful.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to talk about Patrick Mahomes.
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SPEAKER_00: It ain't that pretty yet.
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SPEAKER_00: We're getting fooled on some things.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about who do we trust, who we won't trust after week one a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00: I always say it's that trust thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Hold on now.
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SPEAKER_00: But back to the whole I'm really proud of this pod, Tyler.
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SPEAKER_00: You do a great job, and I'm proud of the work we do because we do work.
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SPEAKER_00: And we don't just run our mouth and say Reuben Bain's going to win the Super Bowl.
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SPEAKER_00: Seriously, those comments, when you think about that comment, somebody actually picked Tampa.
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SPEAKER_00: Somebody I respect took Tampa to win the Super Bowl because they have Reuben Bain.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's on ESPN.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know that's crying over spilled milk.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm jealous.
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SPEAKER_00: I wish we had those jobs.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a nice job.
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SPEAKER_00: And those guys are good at what they do.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not even trying to say that.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying they just say whatever without any base.
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SPEAKER_00: And they've never done what I've done.
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SPEAKER_00: And quite frankly, players don't evaluate players very well.
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SPEAKER_00: Most of the time they have agendas, and they actually really don't know what they're looking at.
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SPEAKER_00: They go really off stats, production sometimes, and they're not actually looking at the fines.
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SPEAKER_00: Like Ruben Bayne,
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SPEAKER_00: we'll keep using Bayne,
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SPEAKER_00: but nobody talked about the fact that he didn't run a 40 and didn't vertical jump.
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SPEAKER_00: And I come,
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SPEAKER_00: it's funny now,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess I'm one of the old school scouts now,
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SPEAKER_00: but I didn't use, but we just want you to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't care what the number is.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't care what your 40 time is or your vertical.
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SPEAKER_00: Just compete.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody tells me you're the toughest guy in America and you don't want to run a 40.
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SPEAKER_00: Brandon Spikes at Florida.
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SPEAKER_00: I use him as a great example.
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SPEAKER_00: Brandon Spikes at Florida coming out.
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SPEAKER_00: He knew he was slow.
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SPEAKER_00: He was slow in high school.
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SPEAKER_00: He knew he was going to run a bad time, but guess what he did?
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SPEAKER_00: He ran it.
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SPEAKER_00: And we respected that.
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SPEAKER_00: Nobody was drafting him because he could run.
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SPEAKER_00: We're drafting him to go bang up the middle and destroy fullbacks,
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SPEAKER_00: tight ends, whatever you want to do.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what he did.
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SPEAKER_00: But he wasn't scared.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the wrong people get around these prospects too, right?
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SPEAKER_01: They're surrounded by agents for this and agents for that and handlers for this
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SPEAKER_01: and handlers for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And don't run a 40 because it might cost you money.
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SPEAKER_01: Where the truth shall set you free.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're seeing it with Marvin Harrison Jr.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a reason he didn't run the 40.
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SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: He wasn't competitive.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: had it at the site in our Kyler Murray series where his dad would be on his ass game
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SPEAKER_01: in and game out.
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SPEAKER_01: It was never enough.
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SPEAKER_01: Beat him down.
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SPEAKER_01: Mentally, I was told, by scouts.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, scouts there in Columbus who see this, who are up close.
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SPEAKER_01: They're getting the good, the bad, and the ugly, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That's your job as a scout.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's why Dabo Sweeney drives teams insane.
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SPEAKER_01: I was just talking to a defensive coordinator recently,
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SPEAKER_01: and I actually had to tweet it out because it was very rich
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SPEAKER_01: to see Dabo get all defensive with a reporter down there.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sure a lot of people saw it.
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SPEAKER_01: This was like a week ago.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, just scolding him.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you ever play football?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is after Clemson just got curb stomped by LSU.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is a defensive coordinator.
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SPEAKER_01: This guy's speaking for a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_01: And he said that he avoids Clemson players because he doesn't think they're tough.
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SPEAKER_01: And he put it in much different terms than that.
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SPEAKER_01: And he can't stand Dabo at the Pro Days.
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SPEAKER_01: Quote, It's like a recruiting pitch.
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SPEAKER_01: He stands up there and does the same effing shtick.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, this is exactly what parents hear on an effing weekend visit.
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SPEAKER_01: The same nonsense about how great Clemson is and how they're raising these kids the right way.
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SPEAKER_01: And you're going to get the best people.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't need this.
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SPEAKER_01: Can you just tell me how fast the effing kid runs?
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SPEAKER_01: That's what you're getting at.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think ESPN, again, ESPN, NFL Network.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, now the Athletic has a business partnership.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, their articles are going to show up on the site.
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SPEAKER_01: At all of these places, we have friends.
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SPEAKER_01: We know people that do a damn good job.
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SPEAKER_01: And I feel for those people that do a damn good job,
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SPEAKER_01: but it should be noted that everybody's kind of in bed with each other
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SPEAKER_01: at this point.
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SPEAKER_01: So on ESPN, is anybody going to give you the real...
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SPEAKER_01: Is anybody going to be raw?
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SPEAKER_01: Is anybody going to speak in those terms about Dabo when there's TV contracts here
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SPEAKER_01: and gambling partnerships there and everybody's making out
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SPEAKER_01: and everybody's getting along?
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SPEAKER_01: Hell, Disney owns you.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just a Disney company at the end of the day.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't want controversy.
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SPEAKER_01: They don't want it, Jim.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not going to be that critical.
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SPEAKER_01: And if it is, it's going to be more of like a for the clip, a hot take for the 17 second clip.
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SPEAKER_01: That can be easily shared on Twitter,
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SPEAKER_01: and they know what they're doing, usually, I would think, to generate that.
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SPEAKER_01: And then somebody says something,
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SPEAKER_01: and then it's talked about on every single show on the Worldwide Leader in Sports.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not Bob Lee's ESPN anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: That's for damn sure.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it's a pleasure to have you, Jim.
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SPEAKER_01: I love having you.
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SPEAKER_01: You always – I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: and I think people who have listened since 2020,
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SPEAKER_01: when we first started this thing,
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SPEAKER_01: again – For those that are new,
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SPEAKER_01: it started,
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SPEAKER_01: I was actually talking to you for the two-parter on Josh Allen
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SPEAKER_01: that I launched Go Long with and how there was a ton of pressure on him with
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SPEAKER_01: the backdrop being,
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SPEAKER_01: yes, Terry Pegula, loved Patrick Mahomes and passed on Michael Jordan.
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SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, Allen's been spectacular, hasn't won a Super Bowl, but been spectacular.
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SPEAKER_00: As we were talking about that,
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SPEAKER_00: we were just,
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SPEAKER_00: it was during COVID,
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SPEAKER_01: we're at the old Resurgence Brewery,
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SPEAKER_01: downtown Buffalo,
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SPEAKER_01: and remember,
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SPEAKER_01: we pounded, like,
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SPEAKER_01: Four baskets of fried pickles because the science told you like,
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SPEAKER_01: if you're going to get a drink at a bar, you got to eat as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So I forgot about that.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: We just, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So every once in a while,
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SPEAKER_01: one of those,
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SPEAKER_01: one of those Instagrams, uh,
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SPEAKER_01: slide shows up of like life during COVID
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SPEAKER_01: and everybody's like got all these contraptions around their head.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: We forget how crazy that time was.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, but anyways, that's kind of how the pod started is we were just talking football forever.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think you brought it up.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, we should do this.
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SPEAKER_01: We should just talk football.
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SPEAKER_01: Hit record.
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SPEAKER_01: Because nobody's talking like this.
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SPEAKER_01: Nobody that lived the world that you've lived,
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SPEAKER_01: Eagle Scout,
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SPEAKER_01: Saint Scout,
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SPEAKER_01: Bill's director personnel,
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SPEAKER_01: and now with the UFL,
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SPEAKER_01: very few people are willing to share those stories because they're afraid
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SPEAKER_01: of pissing somebody off.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: That's the other part of it.
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SPEAKER_01: The Diana Rossini thing?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll get off my soapbox here in a second.
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SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
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SPEAKER_01: not everybody's interlocking fingers and sharing a hot tub with Mike Vrabel
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SPEAKER_01: or any NFL coach in Sedona.
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SPEAKER_01: But there's a lot of similar arrangements out there.
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SPEAKER_01: Wink, wink, transactional.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll report this if you do this for access driven.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, that's a whole other conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: Are you going to bite the hand of feeds?
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SPEAKER_01: Are you going to piss a team off?
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SPEAKER_01: Probably not if they're giving you a credential.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: We don't care about that.
8:02
SPEAKER_01: There's no transactional relationships.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: And it's a beautiful thing because we are, at Go Long, paid by you, the reader, the subscriber.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't make a dime unless you deem what's written as worth a dime.
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SPEAKER_01: Same with this podcast, Real Football.
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SPEAKER_01: And I would hope people understand the purity of that
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SPEAKER_01: because I think it's getting lost, that independent coverage of pro football.
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SPEAKER_01: It's worse than ever.
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SPEAKER_01: There's not much of it out there.
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SPEAKER_01: And I want us to stay in our lane as long as we possibly can to think clearly.
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SPEAKER_00: Agree.
8:36
SPEAKER_00: We get to the point.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to cover the good topics.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to give it to you really how it works.
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SPEAKER_00: I look back.
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SPEAKER_00: We always use ESPN as an example.
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SPEAKER_00: That's the mecca everybody wants to work on there.
8:47
SPEAKER_00: And you see what happens.
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SPEAKER_00: Ryan Clark now gets bounced, and he's doing something on the pivot.
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SPEAKER_00: He's going to disappear.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: If you're not on ESPN, you're going to disappear, I think.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: See, I disagree with that.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: I feel like you can leave, and you're – Voice can grow.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think you need them anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we're saying the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying you have to stay there.
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SPEAKER_00: Just watch how hard life is.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a machine at ESPN is how I feel.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: And I just feel like once you leave, be careful what you wish.
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SPEAKER_00: I always look at Dan Levitard when he left ESPN and started his own Meadowlark.
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SPEAKER_00: Draft Kings.
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SPEAKER_00: He started his own stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And that is,
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SPEAKER_00: I can remember,
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SPEAKER_00: just because I listened to him, I can remember the stress he went through.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, because it's hard.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, once you get that, it's just a luxury when you have ESPN behind you, basically.
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SPEAKER_00: But no, it's true.
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SPEAKER_00: We did this.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had Mina Kimes on our pod.
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SPEAKER_00: I always laugh.
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SPEAKER_00: It was the Anthony Richardson one.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like,
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SPEAKER_00: I told you guys,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how anybody would draft this guy off what I'm watching at Florida.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, And it's easy for her to say, oh, you got to take him top five or top 10.
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SPEAKER_00: She was all in on him.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's a pretty workout or pro day, whatever he does.
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SPEAKER_00: But are you watching tape?
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SPEAKER_00: Is your life on the line like it was for us when we were actually making these picks
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SPEAKER_00: and we dive in and we see this and that?
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SPEAKER_00: You can't win without a quarterback.
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SPEAKER_00: To me, it's like she doesn't even have to worry about that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to say anything against Mina at times.
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SPEAKER_00: They do a great job, like we were saying.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not about being right or wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: It's about the experience that you have versus what I've had.
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SPEAKER_00: That's all, what we've done.
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SPEAKER_00: All right, we'll leave it at that.
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SPEAKER_01: And Jim's track record, that's how it started.
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SPEAKER_01: I was going to say,
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SPEAKER_01: for those who have listened from day one,
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SPEAKER_01: no analyst, writer, Scout, anybody is going to be right 100% of the time.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, if we were to keep a tally of your takes, it'd be a pretty high percentage.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think.
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SPEAKER_01: We're talking probably,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: if Shaq at the free throw line is one end of the spectrum, you're more so Curry.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd say in the 90s, 90 percentile.
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SPEAKER_00: That's when it can go off the rails when I'm saying,
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SPEAKER_00: I know how you and Brian Westbrook weren't buying my,
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SPEAKER_00: anybody would take Shaq over Michael Jordan in a draft.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll still stand by that.
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SPEAKER_00: If both are in the gymnasium,
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SPEAKER_00: if those are your only two picks,
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SPEAKER_00: you have to build a team,
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SPEAKER_00: and those are the only two guys that you're watching work out in front of you,
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SPEAKER_00: who are you picking?
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SPEAKER_00: The 6'5", 2-guard that you can find anywhere, or this whatever Shaq is.
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SPEAKER_00: We all know we've never seen anything like that, and that's my point.
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SPEAKER_00: Shaq didn't know what cuts were.
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SPEAKER_00: When Jordan was getting cut in high school, Shaq never heard of cuts.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's just my point.
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SPEAKER_00: That's how we draft.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, we look for that rare.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just – that's all.
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SPEAKER_00: That's really my point of it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not that – obviously,
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SPEAKER_00: Jordan's – it's Jordan LeBron, greatest resume, greatest players ever.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not trying to – I just like to bring a different view
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SPEAKER_00: on – I'm just telling you right now,
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SPEAKER_00: you wouldn't – you would not pass up Shaq if your job is on the line
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SPEAKER_00: and those are your two picks.
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SPEAKER_00: You're not – that's a rare guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I've seen 6'5 guards that can dunk and shoot 30% from the field.
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SPEAKER_00: Jordan was getting people fired before – Before Pippen came and they put together that team.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, if it's sacrilegious to speak about Michael Jordan and such, such crass terms, Jim, man.
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SPEAKER_00: Ooh, the greatest ever.
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SPEAKER_00: Can I also state my all-time favorite basketball player is Isaiah Thomas from
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SPEAKER_00: the Detroit Pistons.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll tell
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SPEAKER_01: you what.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, here's why.
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SPEAKER_01: That performance on the sprained ankle against the Lakers,
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SPEAKER_01: one of the greatest individual efforts of all time, any sport.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, really, if you're just looking for something to do, burn time, YouTube that.
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SPEAKER_01: It's insane.
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SPEAKER_01: You can see him hobbling around on one good leg.
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SPEAKER_01: And did he put up, what was it, like 28 points in the?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in one quarter.
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SPEAKER_00: 26.
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SPEAKER_00: Couldn't have broken ankle.
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SPEAKER_00: He couldn't play game seven.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That was their series to win.
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SPEAKER_00: He was on a different level.
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SPEAKER_00: But the reason he doesn't, Tyler, what I love about Isaiah Thomas.
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SPEAKER_01: 25 points in the third quarter of Game 6, 88 finals.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what it was.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought 26, 25.
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SPEAKER_01: Barely able to walk.
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SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: But when you look at what we talk about, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron,
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SPEAKER_00: there's only one 6'1 player to ever actually carry his team to championships.
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SPEAKER_00: One, Isaiah Thomas.
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SPEAKER_00: Iverson didn't do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Steph Curry brought in some people to help him.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, Curry, obviously, to me, is the greatest smaller player ever.
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SPEAKER_00: Isaiah Thomas would be second.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't think for a second Isaiah couldn't average 30 a game.
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SPEAKER_00: He could do whatever he wanted.
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SPEAKER_00: He went to the University of Indiana,
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SPEAKER_00: won a national championship, got out of there, goes and takes the Detroit Pistons.
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SPEAKER_00: Isaiah Thomas was the one beating the Celtics, the Lakers.
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SPEAKER_00: By the time Jordan started winning, those guys, the Lakers and Celtics, were old.
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SPEAKER_00: Isaiah had already beaten them up for Jordan.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm just trying to say, we revisit Jordan like he never missed it.
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SPEAKER_00: It really is a lot for me to take.
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SPEAKER_00: The reason I never cared about Jordan is because the Pistons always beat them.
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SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: That was a great 30 for 30, the bad boys.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like those two seasons were trapped between dynasties
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SPEAKER_01: that Our disgust ad nauseum as the great Celtics Lakers saved the NBA.
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SPEAKER_01: Michael Jordan, greatest player ever.
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SPEAKER_01: Then right in the middle,
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SPEAKER_01: he got Isaiah Thomas and all these,
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SPEAKER_01: for the lack of a better term,
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SPEAKER_01: brawlers, thugs, literally punching the opposition in the face.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what he was surrounded with.
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SPEAKER_01: He wasn't really surrounded with these sublime basketball talents.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe they made it a good fit.
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SPEAKER_01: They made them different.
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SPEAKER_01: Gave them character.
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SPEAKER_01: But Isaiah Thomas carried those teams.
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SPEAKER_00: Jordan had – look, let's talk about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Those Bulls teams were unbelievably loaded.
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SPEAKER_00: Isaiah Thomas had Joe Dumars.
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SPEAKER_00: Just the guy.
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SPEAKER_00: Promise you.
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SPEAKER_00: Love him.
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SPEAKER_00: Love all the stuff he did as a Piston fan.
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SPEAKER_00: He's an effort player.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: He's not gifted.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Isaiah had to do Dennis Rodman at 6'8".
15:23
SPEAKER_00: He's a high-effort, just, you know, amazing athlete running around.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: Isaiah didn't have a Pippen.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: He didn't have a Kyrie Irving like LeBron had.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: Shaq had Kobe.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: Jordan Pippen.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, those are – all right, too much on that.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: He didn't have a Judd Bushler and a Bill Wennington.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they carried those Bulls teams.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: Those guys.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: No, those are the guys.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: But really, I had a point there.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: I know it's sacrilegious to speak on Patrick Mahomes as anything other than –
15:53
SPEAKER_01: The greatest of the greatest, a deity.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Hell, we've done it on this show.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: We had to stop talking about it.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: We had to stop.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: We put a Mahomes band,
16:03
SPEAKER_01: a self-imposed Mahomes band on ourselves because we were just making him out
16:11
SPEAKER_01: to be just a deity, larger than life.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: And for good reason.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's won three Super Bowls.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: That competitive spirit is rare.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: I've talked to some of his best friends, Coleman Patterson.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: He's known Patrick his whole life.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: He told the story in one of the stories I wrote on.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: They're at Augusta playing around and it's like during free agency.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: Out of the Tampa Bay Super Bowl loss when Mahomes,
16:41
SPEAKER_01: I believe he ran around for 497 yards before pass attempts and sacks.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: He's running for his damn life that game.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: 31-9, they get blown out.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: And so he needs lineman help.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: And they're at Augusta.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: One of the holes, and honestly, I should look up.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: I can tell you exactly what hole it was.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Hang tight.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: I like the detail.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: This is what we do without producers, right, in our ear.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: So it was...
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:11
SPEAKER_00: I like the detail, though.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: Hang tight.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: Hang tight.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Hole number 16.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: That was a famous hole for Tiger Woods, right?
17:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: So, and this is two weeks after the Masters.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Mahomes and a few friends, they're at Augusta.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: You're not allowed to fiddle around on your cell phone at all during gameplay.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Mahomes' caddy thought that Mahomes should know, though, that his phone was ringing nonstop.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: And it was Andy Reid,
17:39
SPEAKER_01: Brett Veach,
17:40
SPEAKER_01: calling him,
17:41
SPEAKER_01: texting him,
17:41
SPEAKER_01: trying to let him know that they were acquiring Orlando Brown Jr. at left tackle.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: And Coleman Patterson says,
17:52
SPEAKER_01: you could tell something in his demeanor changed because he was like,
17:55
SPEAKER_01: I got
17:56
SPEAKER_00: my blindside protected.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: So Patrick Holmes' shot, it was previously, it landed in the bunker, right of the green.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: Really difficult shot.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: He gets this news.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: His adrenaline's pumping.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: He turns to a person next to him and declares he's going to par the hole.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's laughing at him.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: Impossible from this angle.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: One swing.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: His chip shot six feet from the cup.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: Drains the putt.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: This is Coleman Patterson.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: A legendary moment.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: That's one of the hardest up and downs you can get.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: We're also at Augusta, which is one of the hardest courses you can ever play in.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: In general,
18:32
SPEAKER_01: because of the speed of the greens,
18:33
SPEAKER_01: the layout of the course, how well it's kept up with.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: And he had a pep in his step.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: The energy came out of him.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So that's just – you see that in games, in big-time playoff moments.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: He's got to make a play.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: He makes the play.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: He's unlike anything else.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: At the same time, look, when we've seen this before, I think of Brett Favre in his career.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: He wins his three MVPs.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: At the end of that third MVP season, he plays Denver – And they had a plan.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Jeff Perlman gets into it in his book, Gunslinger, where it was the D-line coach, John Tierlink.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Make sure I got that name right, too.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes, he was the mastermind behind the game plan.
19:20
SPEAKER_01: Remember, Favre was harassed and pressured.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: He still had a hell of a game,
19:24
SPEAKER_01: but they lost to Denver as heavy favorites because Tearlink had all
19:28
SPEAKER_01: of these quote unquote like Favre rules that just take him out of his game.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: And there's so many different things that go into it.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Tearlink studied 523 Favre passes ahead of that game.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: And some of these rules that he had,
19:41
SPEAKER_01: you got to tackle him low because he relies on the stiff arm.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: He actually doesn't have that quick of a release.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: It looks like he does because he throws it so hard, but he doesn't.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: So it's good to know to finish sacks, finish plays.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: You might be able to force a fumble when usually you don't think you can.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: His snap count was, if he said, you know, Favre's a different guy.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Dick meant the snap was on one.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: Balls meant the snap was on two.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Muff meant the snap was on three.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: So Denver started timing up his snap count.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: He knew kind of you had to steer Favre if the pocket's broken up into four quadrants.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: You want to somehow steer him into that third zone because that's
20:23
SPEAKER_01: where he threw most of his interceptions.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: That's where he made mistakes for whatever reason.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: And he said just completely ignore their running game because that's not going
20:30
SPEAKER_01: to beat you, which Dorsey Levins had a fine game.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: Favre had some mistakes and that was it.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: And what happened after that game?
20:37
SPEAKER_01: The rest of the league took notice.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: The next season, Very good.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: They lose in the wild card, threw a lot more picks.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: The season after that, throws a lot of picks.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: And it took far of a while to kind of rediscover himself and Amon Green and
20:54
SPEAKER_01: that massive offensive line, Marco Rivera, Mike Wall, Mike Flanagan.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: And they ran the ball a lot.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, he never did get back to a Super Bowl because it's a copycat league.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: So caveat being, yes, Patrick Mahomes is unbelievable, obviously.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: All that stuff.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: At the same time, we've seen this before with some of the best ever.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: It's teams, they get tape on you.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: They study you.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: And it's all in our story.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Do or die for CJ Stroud.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Nobody's facing more pressure than him this season.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: And a big part of the reason why is the defense that he has there.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: And chatting with sources there in Houston in 2024, they lost to Mahomes too.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: But in both of those games in 2024, But they made him look human.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: They made him bleed.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: And some sources there in Houston broke down exactly what they were able to do
21:49
SPEAKER_01: to Patrick Mahomes.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: And guess what?
21:53
SPEAKER_01: Philadelphia took notice.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Coach on their staff took notice.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: And they used some of those very specific fundamentals.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Again, check out the story if you want to break it all down.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: One of them being,
22:05
SPEAKER_01: don't let him just knife up field like he did in this Monday night game
22:08
SPEAKER_01: against Denver.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: He scored a touchdown.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Travis Kelsey just tackled somebody on that play, by the way.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: It should have been a holding call.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: But that's what you have to do.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: You have to stay disciplined in your lanes because you actually want him
22:20
SPEAKER_01: to go horizontal because he doesn't move like he once moved.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: Taboo, I know.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: People around the NFL are noticing that Patrick Mahomes...
22:30
SPEAKER_01: He's not consistently improvising and creating
22:34
SPEAKER_01: and making those magical plays outside the pocket like he once did.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: And Travis Kelsey is old and slow.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: I know he had one big play in this game, so maybe he's not completely dead yet.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: But they don't really have receivers that gain separation, that scare you.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, not like a Nico Collins, 6'4", 222, freaks of nature.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: So it's separation.
22:56
SPEAKER_01: If you've got guys that can hold up one-on-one, you'll be good on the back end.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: It's time for Patrick Mahomes' counter.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Is he going to be able to evolve and change?
23:05
SPEAKER_01: And I think that Andy Reid and the Chiefs, they know this.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: That's why they went out and signed Kenneth Walker and reconfigured their defense,
23:15
SPEAKER_01: reconfigured the offensive line.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: I think Andy Reid and Brett Veach know they've got to win a different kind of game.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: They can't just put everything on Patrick Mahomes' shoulders and hope for magic.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: It's got to look different.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: It looked different.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: They won big.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Is that going to be enough?
23:31
SPEAKER_01: And Jim Monas, where is Patrick Mahomes, in your opinion, with his game?
23:36
SPEAKER_01: Look, and the other thing is the Texans have freaks on defense.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, the Bills did whatever they wanted to.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: That's a whole other story.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: But Will Anderson,
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Daniil Hunter, Derek Stingley, like they've got the dudes to just Man up, play ball.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: They don't have to blitz.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: They can do what they want to do within these own Mahomes rules to look good.
23:58
SPEAKER_01: Yes, Philly copied it,
23:59
SPEAKER_01: and Mahomes didn't cross midfield until they were down 34-0 in that Super Bowl.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: And then the very next year, for the full offseason, he had career lows across the board.
24:09
SPEAKER_01: So his trainer, he shared our story.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: What did he say here?
24:15
SPEAKER_01: He goes...
24:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he looked at my tweet, and he just quote tweeted it and said, oh, really, Swan?
24:23
SPEAKER_01: Bobby Strupe is a great trainer, by the way.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: They do a lot of funky things for Patrick Mahomes.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: I always love those videos.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: But thanks for sharing the story, Bobby.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: We're going to see.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: If you're playing the Chiefs now, you've got to make Mahomes beat you.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: You have to see what he has right now.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: He got by.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: They got him through that game the other night, and the Broncos played.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you just whiff.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: You don't show up.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: You throw out your best game, throw out your worst game.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: That's not the Broncos team.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: We definitely know they're better than that.
24:54
SPEAKER_00: So the Chiefs got a win.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about that run.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: The run looked bad.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you watch it, it looked like he was – I mean, he's gutting it out.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: That's a champion.
25:05
SPEAKER_00: That's that Jerry Rice, the stuff that we talk about.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: You can't find these champions.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: We don't understand what they have in them, and he has that.
25:12
SPEAKER_00: His team knows it, and that's why they do anything for him.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: But when you look at their roster, it's to your point, who's scaring you again?
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Worthy can take the top off, but he's not accountable.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: He's little.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: But you know he can go deep.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: So you just pay attention to Worthy.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: But they haven't found a way to really make him a consistent player
25:30
SPEAKER_00: that other defenses need to worry about.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: So they don't have that other weapon.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: That's a tough way to make a living if they think they're just going to run the ball.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: So Mahomes is going to have to be Mahomes if they want to beat the big boys.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're going to talk about it.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: The AFC is still going through the Borough, Lamar, Josh Allen.
25:49
SPEAKER_00: Now Mahomes has to go through them, to be honest with you.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a step below them right now with where he's at physically.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: They beat the number one seed last night.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Denver was your Super Bowl pick.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: So let's not minimize the bigger picture.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: They got to win at home.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Mahomes is out of a torn ACL.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: They're...
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Things are good in Kansas City.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: Kenneth Walker, the way he just sprinted away.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: I forget.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: I think it was 22 for Denver.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: It looked like he had a perfect angle on Kenneth Walker Jr.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, really.
26:25
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of Shaq, it's like that Shaq meme.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: I was not familiar with your game.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: I was not familiar with Kenneth Walker's breakaway speed.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Holy hell.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: He just leaves him in the dust on that long touchdown.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: And all Kenneth Walker had...
26:41
SPEAKER_01: 173 yards on 23 carries.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: That's 60 yarder.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: Mahomes, he finished 15 of 27.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Didn't he start like two of 12?
26:51
SPEAKER_01: Nothing downfield.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: He had 184 yards,
26:53
SPEAKER_01: two touchdowns,
26:54
SPEAKER_01: but one of the touchdowns was like a little flip over to Rasheed Rice and one was
27:01
SPEAKER_01: a shovel pass,
27:02
SPEAKER_01: which like what Troy Aikman said, oh, I wish we had those in my day for my stats.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: And then 59 of those yards was that Kelsey play.
27:10
SPEAKER_01: He Let's pump the brakes.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Let's pump the brakes.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: Patrick Mahomes is back, and Patrick Mahomes is going to take over the world.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: It was not a takeover the world performance.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: To me, the story was how bad Denver played, how bad the Chargers played, and their loss, too.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: Week one lies.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: We know that.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: I get the Chiefs credit.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: They clearly have evolved.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: They know they have to win a different type of game.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: How long can...
27:41
SPEAKER_01: How long can this take them, you think, when you look at the whole AFC?
27:46
SPEAKER_00: To your point, I love what – I mean, obviously, he's Andy Reid.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: I've always said it.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: All-time greatest coach for a reason.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Evolves, finds different ways.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: He's a problem solver.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: That's what we always talk about.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: Solve the problem.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: Don't complain about it.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: What are you going to do to solve it?
28:01
SPEAKER_00: And that's what Andy Reid does.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: I just find it funny that that's not a way to win, though.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: That you think you're just going to grind it out with Kenneth Walker all year.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like you said, pump the great.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: We are all excited and like, wow, look at this Chiefs team.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: You caught Denver off.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: You caught them on a bad night and it spirals.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes when it spirals, it spirals for teams and you can't.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: But you don't want to judge yourself off that.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: We know Denver is a good football team.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: So good job.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: You whipped them, took advantage of everything you needed to.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: But there is more coming.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: In fact, as you know, Tyler, I like to dabble with some gambling.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: They are playing the Colts this week.
28:38
SPEAKER_00: Who are getting six and a half points.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: And I'm all over this Colts team right now because I actually didn't think
28:43
SPEAKER_00: the Colts played that poorly in their game against Baltimore, believe it or not.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: They show some signs of life against Baltimore.
28:51
SPEAKER_00: Baltimore whipped them,
28:52
SPEAKER_00: but they had to whip them because the Colts were actually doing some things to them.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: So I think Kansas City's in for a little bit of a rude awakening this week.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if Daniel Jones can move around,
29:01
SPEAKER_00: which really kind of made him a Serviceable starter, the fact that he could run.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: He didn't do that against Baltimore.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Don't know where he's at coming off that injury.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: But if Daniel Jones still has his legs, that cold team could be tricky for the Chiefs this week.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: And look at the opponents.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: He had Bo Nix.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: He's unable to hold onto the ball.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: What the hell was he doing in that play?
29:24
SPEAKER_01: He's running right.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: He's running left.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: It's slipping out of his hand.
29:27
SPEAKER_01: It looked like it was going to be this back and forth heavyweight fight early on.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: The Chiefs go down and score.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: The Broncos go down and score.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, there's what the Chiefs were dealing with at home.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: And then you look at what the Colts were dealing with and Lamar Jackson
29:43
SPEAKER_01: and Derrick Henry, my Super Bowl pick, the Baltimore Ravens.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: I like the The tip, you know, we hate gambling here at Go Long.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: It's ruining the world.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't want anybody to do it.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't want anybody to do it.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: Tyler, speaking of the Super Bowl picks,
29:58
SPEAKER_00: thank you for allowing me to still continue to write on Go Long
30:02
SPEAKER_00: because my Go Long Super Bowl prediction this year,
30:05
SPEAKER_00: you have the right to probably hire me.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: After week one,
30:08
SPEAKER_00: I picked Green Bay,
30:09
SPEAKER_00: who was in complete shambles, and the Denver Broncos, complete shambles.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: So there you go for my Super Bowl picks.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: Sean Payton, you live this too in New Orleans, and it's definitely been the case in Denver.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: His September record is not very good.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: He just tries to figure shit out the first month of the season, I guess.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: That's actually good.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have a reason for that because I'd never heard that before,
30:38
SPEAKER_00: but I know one thing about he and Sean McVay.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Anytime the great ones get embarrassed, they're going to come back.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: They'll come back.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: They'll be fun to watch how they call the game,
30:50
SPEAKER_00: especially Coach Payton giving up that play calling duty.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know about that.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't know about that.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: To me, this organization hired you.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: They ate that Russell Wilson contract money for you.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: You said get him out.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: They did it.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: You got your quarterback that you told them is good enough in Bo Nix.
31:11
SPEAKER_00: You call the plays.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: You're getting paid.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: That's what made you a great coach.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I lived it.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: I have a ring because of it.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: He and Drew Brees.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: You saw how Drew Brees talked about him at the Hall of Fame speech, if you saw it.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: It was like a relationship you can't explain.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: It was a seriously professional, like, the way they looked.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like buddy-buddy.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: They fought,
31:30
SPEAKER_00: and they had their disagreements,
31:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure, like everybody does coaching quarterback.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: But the respect those two have for each other, that's what you have to have.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that's.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Broncos will be fine.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: The Broncos will be fine is my point of all that.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: The game wasn't as bad as the final score would seem to indicate.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Spiral, spiral.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: And they were terrible in this.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just spiraled.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: So I still like Denver in the AFC West.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: I want to get your perspective.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm just trying to help you out.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: We used to say growing up as kids, I hate to go back to as kids when we would gamble.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: Your team would be down 7-0 on that first 10-minute update on
32:07
SPEAKER_00: the 10-minute ticker back in the day.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: If your team was down 10-0, your friends would laugh at you, like, you know, 7-0 first update.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: You're like, oh, do you want the bet?
32:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you laughed at our bet, you had to take it, like, if you made fun of it.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: Because you just laugh, like, oh, you lost already, 7-0.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: But that's what gambling does to you, too.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: It just drives.
32:27
SPEAKER_00: That 10-minute ticker was like, we sat by the TV just waiting for those score updates.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Bad.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man, that brings me back.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: Before school,
32:38
SPEAKER_01: second grade,
32:38
SPEAKER_01: third grade,
32:39
SPEAKER_01: fourth grade,
32:39
SPEAKER_01: you had to wait for that score for the Charlotte Hornets on
32:43
SPEAKER_01: the headline news ticker.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't even on ESPN yet.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: You had to flip over to headline news,
32:49
SPEAKER_01: or you just kept it on SportsCenter and waited 47 minutes for the Hornets highlight
32:54
SPEAKER_01: to get its turn.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: And then you might have to go to school.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: So there's some more, it's like you're going to school and we don't know what happened.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: I love that we're talking about the Hornets.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: You were looking for Charlotte Hornets scores.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: We talked about the Detroit Pistons.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: This is our football podcast.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of kids in the morning,
33:12
SPEAKER_01: as an aside, I'd love to see if you're waging the same battle there with Walter.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: Ella is having bad dreams.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: We're in the bad dream phase, Jim.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: It's so funny as a parent because it's like,
33:30
SPEAKER_01: It's like trying to tell somebody, just relax, right?
33:33
SPEAKER_00: Or just don't be sad.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: You can't tell your child.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can say it's just a dream.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: They know it's just a dream.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: They know it's not real.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: But Allison, what did she say last night?
33:43
SPEAKER_01: I dreamt of an angry clown who wanted to eat me.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that would be...
33:48
SPEAKER_01: That would be pretty horrifying.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: That's pretty terrible.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: It's like that old Brian Regan bit, the comedian.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: He's like, put yourself in your kid's shoes, right?
33:56
SPEAKER_01: One kid he saw lost a balloon and is floating away.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: And he saw the dad say to this kid, oh, quit crying.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: We'll just get you another balloon.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: He's like, imagine if your wallet was just floating away.
34:09
SPEAKER_01: Your kid said, we'll just get you another wallet.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: It's your life.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: That's their life.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: Your kid is having a bad dream about an angry clown who wants to eat you.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: That's You just, all right, I'll let you come into bed with us.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: That's all right.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: Get into this habit.
34:23
SPEAKER_00: It's more of a, with Walter, it's more of a, just the dark.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Not dreams, necessarily.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Just scared of the dark.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Which, that's normal.
34:32
It's fine.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Nightlights?
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: There's ways around.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: Right?
34:37
SPEAKER_00: We're working.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: When we put the kids down, you've got the closet light on.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: You've got the lamp on.
34:43
SPEAKER_01: You've got the nightlight.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: The nightmares don't ever stop either, unfortunately.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: That's a good point too.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's a life lesson in there somewhere with the angry clowns.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: You must defeat the clown through inception, Ella.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: Come on, I'll help you.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: We'll slay the angry clown.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Before we move off of Mahomes, though, I do want to get your opinion on this.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: I'll detail the blueprint that the Texans used.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: The Eagles copied and to the best they could, the rest of the NFL applied as well.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: So again, this was in 2024 and then in 2025.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: And then in 2025, the Texans, they battered Mahomes around.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: He had the worst game of his life in that game.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: So in the rest of the NFL, tried to use it best they could with their players.
35:39
SPEAKER_01: So the way the one coach broke it down to me is you've got to remember
35:42
SPEAKER_01: that Mahomes kills you by stepping through your inside rushers
35:46
SPEAKER_01: and taking inside gaps.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: You've got to close off those interior escape lanes,
35:50
SPEAKER_01: give him a sliver of a vertical A or B gap, and you're toast.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: The smarter plan is to flush him horizontally.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: And traditionally, this is a poison pill again.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: This is what I wrote my story.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Traditionally, it's always been best to quarantine such magical improvisers inside the pocket.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: Think about Aaron Rodgers.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: At his peak, the Packers four-time MVP feasted on the move.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: And true, Mahomes also owned that broken play for a while.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Travis Kelsey may be the best ever at uncovering and finding dead zones.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: The rapport was damn near telepathic.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: But now Kelsey is a skeletal 37-year-old shell of himself.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: And people around the NFL are whispering about Mahomes' declining mobility.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: Multiple execs have told me, They've told me this, Jim.
36:28
SPEAKER_01: They bring it up unsolicited,
36:30
SPEAKER_01: that his mobility is dwindling, and he's also coming off of a torn ACL.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: He thrives on defenders just flying wide out of the play.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: Again, you saw it against Denver,
36:41
SPEAKER_01: and then shimmying up through those vacated lanes to either run
36:45
SPEAKER_01: or deliver some rockets.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: These Texans in Philly followed.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: They proved that if you stay in your lanes,
36:52
SPEAKER_01: refuse to rush behind him,
36:54
SPEAKER_01: And force him to go back and out that you've got a chance.
36:59
SPEAKER_01: Especially when you have 11 maniacs like the Texans do.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Forge a disciplined wall, flush him outside, hunt, chase, close.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: And again, he doesn't have receivers that are just burning people.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: And in that game against the Texans that Houston won 20-10,
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Houston, they played like three coverages total.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Blitzed three times on 64 snaps.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: And Mahomes was 14 of 33 for 160 yards, no touchdowns, three picks, two sacks.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Both his yards per attempt,
37:28
SPEAKER_01: 0.8, and passer rating, 19.8, were less than half of his previous career lows.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: And that's why Andy Reid went out and got Kenneth Walker, 43 mil over three years.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: They know something had to change.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: Do you think that that is a plan?
37:46
SPEAKER_01: That will work against Patrick Mahomes over the long haul.
37:50
SPEAKER_01: And what can, what will he do himself?
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Like not talking Kenneth Walker and the big,
37:57
SPEAKER_01: what can Mahomes do to evolve,
38:00
SPEAKER_01: to change if this is what teams are going to do to him?
38:03
SPEAKER_00: Because he knows, he knows the teams are, he knows he has to get rid of the football.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: He is not, there's no way that they've instructed him.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: Like that play the other night when he ran in that touchdown, they were holding their breath.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: They weren't thinking he was going to do that.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: So he knows he has to get rid of the football.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: The great ones, I always say, the great ones always get rid of the ball.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: He will.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: But it's going to take away, to your point, what makes him special.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: If he's not able to create and get out of those and create those lanes
38:31
SPEAKER_00: that he always does and make those special throws,
38:34
SPEAKER_00: because who is the receiver that is just going to beat you down in and down out
38:37
SPEAKER_00: on time?
38:39
SPEAKER_00: If you're going to play with rhythm and get rid of the ball quickly,
38:41
SPEAKER_00: you need your weapons to get open.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: Kelsey's not that guy anymore.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: So that's what we have to pay attention to.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: How do they get open and how quickly does he get rid of the ball?
38:52
SPEAKER_00: And does it take away from what made him special, his ability to scramble?
38:56
SPEAKER_00: Because I do think it's limited.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: He didn't look, it didn't look right to me.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it looked like it should look coming off an injury, that injury.
39:06
SPEAKER_01: Again, a torn ACL late in the season.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: When that happened,
39:11
SPEAKER_01: I remember immediately thinking,
39:13
SPEAKER_01: oh, he's Going to be on four-week IR to start the next season.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: Justin Fields is going to take over here for a little bit, and he's back.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: He worked his way back,
39:22
SPEAKER_01: and he won a game against a team that was in the AFC Championship game,
39:26
SPEAKER_01: hosting it the year prior.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't what it's being described as, though, in the national airwaves, I think is your point.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: I get so excited when we bring up backup quarterbacks.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: I want Jeopardy.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: You brought up Justin Fields.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes you forget who the backups are on teams.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: I want the show Jeopardy.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: You know how they have the categories?
39:47
SPEAKER_00: They should have a backup quarterback category.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: I would love to see.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: Because, I mean, that is the one.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: If you can name some of these guys, who is the current backup for so-and-so?
39:57
SPEAKER_00: It's an unbelievable game.
39:59
SPEAKER_00: But anyway,
40:00
SPEAKER_00: I forgot Fields was their backup until obviously they did that play the other night.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Things get heated here at Golong HQ during Jeopardy, by the way.
40:08
SPEAKER_01: Me and my wife, Gina, we battle.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: We got it recorded.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Once all three are down,
40:15
SPEAKER_01: having their sweet dreams,
40:16
SPEAKER_01: we fire up a little Jeopardy, keep tally, pick this up during COVID, and it's stuck.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: Just picture you.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: What's that?
40:28
SPEAKER_00: I just picture you hitting the buzzer saying, who is Cooper Rush?
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I die for the sports categories, but Gina is such a good generalist.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: She knows so many things about so many things.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: It's tight.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: It goes back and forth for sure.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: And there's some trash talk.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm a very sore loser, as she points out.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: And that's that.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I'm with you.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: There is Sports Jeopardy now, right?
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Isn't Joe Buck hosting Sports Jeopardy?
40:56
SPEAKER_01: I haven't watched it.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
40:57
SPEAKER_00: I wonder if they have.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: We should look at that to see.
40:59
SPEAKER_00: I forgot about that.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: So they may have a backup.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: How about just the whole show?
41:02
SPEAKER_01: Backup quarterback Jeopardy.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: Make it the whole Jeopardy.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: All backup quarterbacks.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: All in.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: All in.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: Who's your favorite backup quarterback of all time?
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Right.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: It's got to be Jacoby.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: It's Brissette.
41:16
SPEAKER_00: What do you consider him?
41:17
SPEAKER_00: Do you consider him a backup?
41:19
SPEAKER_00: That's the key.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: I think he is.
41:22
SPEAKER_00: He's a low-end starter.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Ideally, he's not a starter.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: He is ideally a backup from day one.
41:26
SPEAKER_00: That's how I viewed him.
41:27
SPEAKER_00: I scouted him in college.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: I just feel like he is everything you want in a backup quarterback.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: He delivers.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: He's tough.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: He's a leader.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: He has just proven it time in and time.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: He's what you want.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: And if you need a stopgap year.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: There's no deep cut out there, like a random quarterback that had a special place in your heart?
41:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: Who are the backups that you love seeing come in?
41:53
SPEAKER_01: I do got one for you.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: I don't think you were with the Eagles yet, but there is one at the tip of my tongue.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: What about a young Coy Detmer at Lambeau Field in 99 giving Favre all he can handle?
42:05
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of those Favre teams,
42:07
SPEAKER_01: I remember he
42:08
SPEAKER_00: had the celebration where he took his hand and he's going like this,
42:11
SPEAKER_01: looking over to the Packers' sideline,
42:13
SPEAKER_01: and Favre gave it back to him when they barely beat a three-win Eagles team.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: Koi Detmer, he
42:19
SPEAKER_00: had some swag.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: For a backup quarterback who wasn't very good, he felt pretty good about himself.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: No doubt.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: That reminds me of Minshew.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: I think of Minshew like a Koi Detmer.
42:29
SPEAKER_00: Just those crafty backup quarterbacks that don't have the physical skill set,
42:33
SPEAKER_00: but they can beat you with how their minds are.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: They're fearless.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: We always talk about YMCA hoop players.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: They're just going to be tricky with how they play quarterbacks.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Minshew, Brissett, those guys are like, I mean, those are top tier backups.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: Koi Detmer.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: What does this mean for the rest of the AFC?
42:53
SPEAKER_01: Like if we just saw what Josh Allen was able to do with Joe Brady,
42:57
SPEAKER_01: and we're not going to talk too much Bills because I don't know
43:00
SPEAKER_01: when people are going to be listening to this first real football episode.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: They got the Lions Thursday night.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: I'll be there at New Highmark Stadium.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: But.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: If you're Josh Allen and the Bills,
43:08
SPEAKER_01: if you're Lamar Jackson and the Ravens,
43:10
SPEAKER_01: if you're Joe Burrow with the Bengals and you've got a defense all of a sudden.
43:13
SPEAKER_01: It's your time.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: I think you're still feeling pretty damn good about your chances to get to and win a Super Bowl.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: What else stood out to you in the AFC week one?
43:26
SPEAKER_00: The Patriots didn't play.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: We're writing the Patriots off a little quickly.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: I will say that.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: I revisited that game.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, May fell apart.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: We always talk, sometimes you fall apart, it happens.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: But they played a good football game.
43:41
SPEAKER_00: They have a good defense.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: I still think they're a good football team.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: I will say this.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: This is what we needed to see to find out about Drake May.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: As far as, who is he?
43:54
SPEAKER_00: Is he really the guy?
43:55
SPEAKER_00: Because I've questioned it from day one.
43:57
SPEAKER_00: I was never the huge May believer.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: Now what he did last year was special,
44:01
SPEAKER_00: but we know how he has not played well in the playoffs,
44:03
SPEAKER_00: and then he starts the year like this.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: So then you lose A.J.
44:06
SPEAKER_00: Brown.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: This is what we pay you for.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: This is why you're the franchise quarterback because franchise quarterbacks keep you going.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Whatever the injuries are, it doesn't matter.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Next game.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: So let's see if May has it.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: And then I was thinking the Broncos,
44:20
SPEAKER_00: Chargers, that division was supposed to be so amazing, Chiefs.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden you look at the Chargers and Broncos, you're like, who are those teams?
44:28
SPEAKER_00: Like they didn't even really show up.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: So that stood out to me.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: And then Lamar, your Super Bowl pick is scary.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: And I wrote in the column that you are so,
44:37
SPEAKER_00: you know, I appreciate you letting me ramble on the game recaps.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: But I did write,
44:41
SPEAKER_00: I think Zay Flowers for Baltimore may be more important than Derrick Henry is
44:45
SPEAKER_00: to Baltimore.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: They need Zay Flowers.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: He is an absolute weapon in that,
44:51
SPEAKER_00: you know, what I call in space, where you just can't game plan for him.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: He can score from anywhere on the field.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: And obviously Lamar can too, but Anyway, Baltimore looks real.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know they lost Tyler Linderbaum,
45:07
SPEAKER_01: but I think adding John Simpson,
45:09
SPEAKER_01: adding a different mentality,
45:11
SPEAKER_01: you can tell this is a team that wants to get back to pushing people around in
45:15
SPEAKER_01: the trenches.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: Derrick Henry hasn't lost anything.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: Lamar hasn't lost anything, torquing around the edge of defenses.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: Declan Doyle is brilliant, 30-year-old.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: I know you tell me to go...
45:29
SPEAKER_01: Pump the brakes on these young coaches and young quarterbacks sometimes.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: I think he'll be a head coach.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: I think he's a really smart guy.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: No, I think times have changed.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: They needed
45:37
SPEAKER_01: fresh blood.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: 18 years of John Harbaugh.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: They needed Jesse Minner.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: They needed Declan Doyle.
45:44
SPEAKER_01: You can hear it in their voices down there spending time around this team.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: It's different.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: The Giants, for example.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: I think John Harbaugh is right for the Giants with everything they needed out there.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: It's definitely a different A different age out there with the New York Giants.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: I mean, in a very small way,
46:05
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to go out there and do a bigger picture story on the team and was told,
46:11
SPEAKER_01: well, the locker room's being renovated.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: Only beat writers are allowed in the locker room.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: No outside media, but you can hang out at the press conferences if you want.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: It was very cordial back and forth.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: I said, well, are one-on-ones available outside of the locker room?
46:28
SPEAKER_01: And it was told, no guarantees.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: That's Sean Harbaugh, right?
46:31
SPEAKER_01: That's Harbaugh.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: I got to think.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: He's got a way of doing business.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: Again, as noted in our mission post at Golong, there are other ways to get players.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: There are other ways to get teams.
46:45
SPEAKER_01: There may be one team in particular that's still pissed off about something I wrote
46:48
SPEAKER_01: at Bleach Report eight years ago.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: If you can do the math on that one, well, we're still going to write about that team.
46:53
SPEAKER_01: So there are other ways to deliver football in the real and the raw.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: But yes, Drake May, I'm concerned, Jim.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: Is the shoulder a thing?
47:03
SPEAKER_01: And that's what we talked about at the end of last season.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: He admitted after the Super Bowl that the injury was a little worse than he let on
47:10
SPEAKER_01: in so many words.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: And you look at some of those throws.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: I know one game, you don't want to read into anything.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: That's why I'm asking the question.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: It, You can see
47:20
SPEAKER_01: where he's going with the ball and it's just a little short.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: If it's labrum related,
47:26
SPEAKER_01: you wonder if there's a lingering effect there,
47:28
SPEAKER_01: if there's something long term that should be a concern when it comes to Drake May.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: I feel like if there was any type of,
47:37
SPEAKER_00: I've been in these medical meetings before,
47:39
SPEAKER_00: if there's any type of fear of anything doing damage to you or you're not able
47:43
SPEAKER_00: to play at your highest level, there's no way they would let him play.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: They wouldn't risk They wouldn't risk him playing it in the first game of the season.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: No.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: They feel like he's ready.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: But could it be more of a chronic thing where it's just something he just has
48:03
SPEAKER_01: to deal with is my point.
48:04
SPEAKER_00: If that's the case, they're keeping that behind closed doors.
48:07
SPEAKER_00: We won't know that one because that goes back to Drew Brees getting turned down by Miami.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: That's that high-level medical stuff that Only certain people know who's approving,
48:20
SPEAKER_00: who's not approving of the injury.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: So that's high level.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: They're keeping that behind closed doors if there is something going on.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: But I just think with the Jets and Miami in that division,
48:35
SPEAKER_00: they're not going to be good enough, those two teams.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: If the Patriots aren't better or what they were,
48:43
SPEAKER_00: man, the Bills just need – They're smiling right now.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: The Bills could seriously make a huge run at this home field.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the Bills surely didn't mind the outcome there Wednesday night.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: No.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Seeing Drake May struggle, seeing A.J.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: Brown go down.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Patriots defense looked good.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they should have won the game.
49:08
SPEAKER_01: They're driving to win before that interception.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: That was their game to win.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: Against the defending champs in their house.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: Again, though, you need to beat a backup quarterback.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: Drew Locke is definitely high on the Pantheon of backup quarterbacks, but he's in there.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: That's why the Packers collapse was so humiliating to lose to Carson Wentz.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Kyler Murray went down six minutes into the game.
49:31
SPEAKER_01: You're up 22-10.
49:31
SPEAKER_01: It should be 35-10, and Matt LaFleur has just mastered the art of completely falling apart.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to bring it up.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: Cause I figured you and Bob, yeah, you and Bob covered it.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I didn't want to bring it up.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I'm with you on the floor.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: That's it's, it's enough.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: That's insane to me.
49:51
SPEAKER_00: Like that is your job.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: You cannot be blowing these games.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: The crime of it is how to me, how, uh, how good Jordan love play too.
50:02
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he almost threw 400 yards against that Brian floors,
50:04
SPEAKER_01: blister, blister, 80% of the time, the line in front of them is piecemeal together.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: Some of the plays he made,
50:12
SPEAKER_01: just like Frogger to the left,
50:15
SPEAKER_01: to the right,
50:16
SPEAKER_01: up, back, down, rolling when he has to roll, throwing at different platforms.
50:22
SPEAKER_01: It was Mahomesian,
50:23
SPEAKER_01: young Mahomesian in his play style, up until the mistakes at the end, granted.
50:29
SPEAKER_01: But it should have never been in that position.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: At what point do we have the conversation, Jim?
50:34
SPEAKER_01: Is Matt LaFleur,
50:36
SPEAKER_01: not just Matt LaFleur, the Packers in general – Wasting this version of Jordan Love.
50:44
SPEAKER_00: Love is.
50:44
SPEAKER_01: We might be moving toward that conversation with how that game went off the rails
50:50
SPEAKER_01: for Green Bay.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: Because in my opinion, I thought Love was fantastic.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: It's why I picked Green Bay to go to the Super Bowl.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: It's also why I put LeFleur on the hot seat.
51:00
SPEAKER_00: Because they are built to go to the Super Bowl.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: They have franchise quarterback, playmaker in Parsons when he comes back.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: And they had a stud running back.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: Now, all of a sudden, we don't have the running back playing and we don't have Parsons yet.
51:15
SPEAKER_00: No Jacobs, no Parsons.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: But guess what we have?
51:18
SPEAKER_00: And I believe in him.
51:18
SPEAKER_00: We have Jordan Love.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: When you have the right quarterback, there are no excuses.
51:24
SPEAKER_00: These injuries don't matter.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Parsons will be back.
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Love will get you through.
51:27
SPEAKER_00: I believe in him.
51:28
SPEAKER_00: I think he steps up and gets this team.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: We're going to find out once again.
51:32
SPEAKER_00: Love and Drake May are very much being told, we need you.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: We are hurting right now.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: And it's on the quarterbacks to pull you out.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: This is what you get paid for.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: It's why you're the franchise.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: And let's see who steps up.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: I think love's ready for this.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: And when you see if love gets them through, yep,
51:50
SPEAKER_00: if love gets them through,
51:52
SPEAKER_00: and when Parsons comes back,
51:54
SPEAKER_00: that energy,
51:56
SPEAKER_00: that team, that belief they'll have, they're like, man, we just won games.
51:59
SPEAKER_00: Now we got Parsons coming.
52:01
SPEAKER_00: Because there's very few players on defense we talk about
52:03
SPEAKER_00: that are actually true game,
52:05
SPEAKER_00: you know, game wreckers, game changers, however you want to say it.
52:07
SPEAKER_00: Hutchinson on Detroit's one of them now.
52:09
SPEAKER_00: Man, did he come back, authority.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, this love in May, this is true moments for them in their careers.
52:21
SPEAKER_01: Last time the Packers lost six in a row was the Dark Ages,
52:25
SPEAKER_01: if you're going to take it back to last season, 1990, 1991, right?
52:32
SPEAKER_01: Pre-Far, pre-Wolf, pre-Reggie Wade, pre-Holmgren.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: It's the last time.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: And I think it is fair to carry last season into this season.
52:39
SPEAKER_01: I know no two teams are the same.
52:41
SPEAKER_01: The coach is there.
52:43
SPEAKER_01: The symptoms of the losses, the symptoms from the losses that you saw last season.
52:49
SPEAKER_01: Denver, no response when your quarterback gets shoved in the head.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: The two Chicago losses, inexplicable.
52:57
SPEAKER_01: Ravens getting flattened in every way.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: It's what you saw against Minnesota.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: It's concerning.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: You know,
53:06
SPEAKER_01: you can talk about finish all you want,
53:07
SPEAKER_01: like Matt LaFleur did all offseason,
53:09
SPEAKER_01: but if you don't have that in your coach,
53:11
SPEAKER_01: in yourself,
53:12
SPEAKER_01: in your own DNA,
53:12
SPEAKER_01: in the way you lead,
53:16
SPEAKER_01: because to me it's bigger than just taking points off the board like he did, right?
53:19
SPEAKER_01: That's what he's getting killed for.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: They went up by eight on the road.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: I didn't mind it, honestly.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: And inside the chat, I was kind of a...
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Alone voice in that department.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: Most of the Packer fans hanging out in our game day chat, which we do every Sunday.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: Hang out with us, everyone.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: They were killing LaFleur for that.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know what?
53:40
SPEAKER_01: I don't mind it because get one yard.
53:43
SPEAKER_01: Get one yard.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: Go up by two scores.
53:45
SPEAKER_01: Bury this team.
53:46
SPEAKER_01: That would be finishing.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: And they didn't go to Tucker Craft.
53:51
SPEAKER_01: He's coming off of an injury.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: You've got LaFleur saying one thing.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: The offensive coordinator Sinovich saying another.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: They're not on the same page on Whether Kraft was ready or not, whatever.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Gain one yard.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: To me, it's more so there's something to this team's just football genetic makeup
54:08
SPEAKER_01: where things start going wrong and you can't respond.
54:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is a team that's lost games without punting last year.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: One mistake rolls into another and another and another and another
54:22
SPEAKER_01: and they can never curtail it.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you couldn't hear yourself think in US Bank Stadium.
54:27
SPEAKER_01: That place was...
54:29
SPEAKER_01: Insane.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: There's a reason Aaron Rodgers called it one of the toughest places to play.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: Those fans were bringing it.
54:35
SPEAKER_01: The line didn't know who to block,
54:37
SPEAKER_01: where Flores were sending bodies, and it completely got away from him.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: It's more holistic, I guess, is the concern with LaFleur to me.
54:47
SPEAKER_00: Agree.
54:48
SPEAKER_00: It's an operational thing.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: It just shows up too often to ignore it.
54:54
SPEAKER_01: I know you've got a few topics you want to get to, Jim, so take the floor.
54:59
SPEAKER_00: No, we hit most of them today.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: The quarterback situation right now in the NFL is outstanding,
55:09
SPEAKER_00: but what we're coming back to is still the same guys.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: That's what I kind of love.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: What I wanted to talk about, I know what it was.
55:17
SPEAKER_00: Jaden Daniels and Hurts didn't play a very good game, either one of them, throwing the football.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: Hurts made a couple like he always does.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: His deep balls are pretty.
55:27
SPEAKER_00: He'll hit you with a deep ball.
55:28
SPEAKER_00: He'll hit you with a straight ahead run on a third down, break your heart.
55:32
SPEAKER_00: Jaden Daniels did not look right.
55:34
SPEAKER_00: They were out of sync on offense.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: His throws were errant.
55:37
SPEAKER_00: So those are some notes I had from the weekend.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: I was hoping to see more out of Daniels.
55:43
SPEAKER_00: Still had chances to win,
55:45
SPEAKER_00: but neither of those quarterbacks looked like they were ready to – they need
55:49
SPEAKER_00: to play better, I think, to take it to that level.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Now, let's just talk.
55:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to talk about Caleb Williams because you guys handled that on your pod.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: But, man, Tyler.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: It is fun.
56:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay, can I just ask?
56:04
SPEAKER_00: And then you go.
56:04
SPEAKER_00: Because we pretty much hit what I wanted to hit on.
56:08
SPEAKER_00: Where was your take on Caleb?
56:10
SPEAKER_00: Because I know how you feel about it.
56:11
SPEAKER_00: Did you see what you needed to see as far as did it look different first half?
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Caleb Williams was...
56:21
SPEAKER_01: Exceptional, obviously.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think what is most impressive is the speed.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: He didn't run the 40, obviously.
56:28
SPEAKER_01: So we don't know what he's got just in terms of raw, straight-ahead speed.
56:34
SPEAKER_01: But both of those touchdowns, he hit the gas and was gone out.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: And Bob pointed this out on the NFC North pod that we do.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: Carolina was without, I don't know, like four or five guys.
56:44
SPEAKER_01: Their defense was a mess.
56:45
SPEAKER_01: But Chicago took care of business.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: I think what makes Chicago...
56:51
SPEAKER_00: So dangerous is that rushing game, man.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: It was like a flashback to the Black Friday Philly humiliation where it didn't matter.
57:00
SPEAKER_01: You could have put 11 guys in the box,
57:02
SPEAKER_01: and I feel like the Bears would gain four yards or more because Jonah Jackson,
57:09
SPEAKER_01: Darnell Wright on those down blocks,
57:11
SPEAKER_01: go back and watch it,
57:12
SPEAKER_01: are shoving whoever's in front of them onto their heels,
57:16
SPEAKER_01: then onto their ass, and there goes Kyle Manon guy.
57:18
SPEAKER_01: There goes DeAndre Swift.
57:21
SPEAKER_01: If they had that run game churning like that,
57:23
SPEAKER_01: remember last year, it took a while for their run game to really get going.
57:29
SPEAKER_01: And I think there was some frustration with Ben Johnson,
57:31
SPEAKER_01: but he pointed out subtly in some of his press conferences that it would take time
57:36
SPEAKER_01: for him to really get the ground game going.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: But when they're healthy up front and they get into those second and fours,
57:44
SPEAKER_01: third and twos,
57:45
SPEAKER_01: fourth and ones,
57:46
SPEAKER_01: Although I did love that they went for it on fourth and went deep in the row
57:49
SPEAKER_01: and they actually missed that.
57:51
SPEAKER_01: They keep it in these down and distances to where, yeah,
57:54
SPEAKER_01: then you can unleash Caleb Williams in ways that you saw at the end
57:58
SPEAKER_01: of those games last season when he's having five of the best plays you'll ever see
58:02
SPEAKER_01: in the sport.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: You can kind of pick your spots.
58:05
SPEAKER_01: Courtney Cronin, who does a great job covering the Bears for ESPN.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of ESPN, she does a very good job.
58:10
SPEAKER_01: She made a great point pregame.
58:13
SPEAKER_01: And she talks to everybody in that building,
58:15
SPEAKER_01: House Hall, that this season, Caleb Williams, he wants to take more risks.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Like he wants to put the ball into quote unquote danger more often.
58:23
SPEAKER_01: And you can almost see Ben Johnson in the corner of your eye.
58:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, does he like that?
58:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I think he, I think he wants that now.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: I think there's a command that Caleb has that he clearly didn't have last season.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: We're going to see more of those chances.
58:36
SPEAKER_01: So let's see what he does against Brian Flores.
58:38
SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to see this game.
58:40
SPEAKER_01: The way that Minnesota, look, Minnesota almost gave up 400 passing yards to Jordan Love.
58:44
SPEAKER_01: And yet Brian Flores coached a great game because there's so much havoc.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: There's so much chaos.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: They don't care about giving up some big plays because they know they're going
58:51
SPEAKER_01: to get a sack fumble.
58:52
SPEAKER_01: They know they're going to get a pick at some point that will change it all.
58:56
SPEAKER_01: So I think that Caleb Williams probably puts up big numbers.
58:58
SPEAKER_01: They probably run the ball well.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: It's can Brian Flores and the Vikings force that key turnover
59:05
SPEAKER_01: against Caleb Williams, who does want to take more, more chances.
59:09
SPEAKER_01: They're going to have to put up points because Chicago's defense is terrible, right?
59:13
SPEAKER_01: They're going to need 30, 40 points to win some of these games.
59:18
SPEAKER_01: They made Bryce Young look like Drew Brees.
59:20
SPEAKER_01: I think Drew Brees was calling the game.
59:22
SPEAKER_01: They made Bryce Young look like an all-pro,
59:24
SPEAKER_01: and maybe Bryce Young is taking that step for all we know.
59:26
SPEAKER_01: It's week one.
59:27
SPEAKER_01: But either way, we're not going to be able to take our eyes off Chicago this season.
59:33
SPEAKER_00: Last guy I want to comment on is Baker Mayfield.
59:37
SPEAKER_00: That was some garbage.
59:39
SPEAKER_00: Straight garbage.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: That is the most maddening.
59:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was maddening to watch him be so out of control.
59:47
SPEAKER_00: I always use the word with Carson Wentz, spastic.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: But Mayfield had that spastic stuff going on.
59:53
SPEAKER_00: He always comes across as small anyway, like small hands.
59:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like every time he gets hit, the ball just seems to pop up.
59:59
SPEAKER_00: He can't hold on to it.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: He just lacks length.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: His passes get tipped.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_00: When you get that bad Baker game, it's hard to believe sometimes how he can look like.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_00: Because we know he's a good enough quarterback.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, he's good enough to win with.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: He's not special, that's for sure.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_00: But that was a game where Tampa,
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: since he had to work for that game,
1:00:18
SPEAKER_00: their defense, since he's defense actually got a gift.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Baker handed them that game.
1:00:24
SPEAKER_00: And Burrow threw a pick six.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_00: So I guess what I'm saying is don't let that game fool you too much.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: I think Tampa has more in store.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: Baker can't play that poorly, obviously.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: And since he, I'm not sure that defense is better yet.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_01: Would you pay Baker Mayfield the contract that he received if you were the
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: GM of
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: a football team?
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: In the same exact predicament,
1:00:47
SPEAKER_01: Jim Onis is general manager.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_01: He's Jason Light, your general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_01: Your quarterback makes it clear he wants to be in Tampa Bay.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_01: It got a little contentious there.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_01: Baker didn't hold back that press conference to start camp.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_01: And then right on the cusp of the 2026 season, three years, 165 million a year.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_01: You do the math.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_01: That's 55 million a year.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_01: 120 of the 165 is fully guaranteed.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_01: You would do it.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_00: He's good enough.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: He is good enough that you can win with him.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: That's how we judge guys, whether they're a franchise quarterback and then that next level.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_00: Can we win with him?
1:01:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that next level.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_00: We can win with him.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_00: Good.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_00: If you don't have somebody else in mind, you got to pay him.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_00: If you don't have that next guy to replace him, you got to pay him.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: And he's good enough.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_00: They got to have a defense running game.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: They need all the same stuff.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: He's similar to Jared Goff.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_00: They just need help.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_00: They're good enough.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_00: They just need a lot of other things around them.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_01: Man, what a cat and mouse game too with these contract situations.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_01: Two very different where I get it in Houston.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_01: To me, in Houston, it's smart for both parties not to do anything.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_01: Why would you pay C.J.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_01: Stroud after what we just saw in the playoffs, right?
1:02:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, you're going to pay him 60 million a year?
1:02:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he's asking for.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_01: There's all sorts of reports out there.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_01: And why would C.J.
1:02:19
SPEAKER_01: Stroud want to negotiate off of that game, off of the last two seasons?
1:02:23
SPEAKER_01: If you're C.J.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_01: Stroud, go have the season of your life and ask for anything you possibly want.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_01: Was it, I don't know if it was Schefter or Rappaport floated the idea of like 70 million a year?
1:02:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_01: If he has this great season.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_01: So there's no deal done there.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: And then you got Baker Mayfield in Tampa where Tampa,
1:02:42
SPEAKER_01: they theoretically could just play on your contract.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: We'll revisit it.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_01: Baker Mayfield could have said the same thing.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_01: I want more money.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to wait.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they go at 55, three years, another short-termer.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_01: That's...
1:03:01
SPEAKER_00: That's what the front office gets paid for.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_00: They have to have that discussion.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: Are we going to pay him or do we want to roll the dice and see who's out there next year?
1:03:08
SPEAKER_00: Who could we get to replace him?
1:03:10
SPEAKER_00: You weigh those options.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_00: If you think he's better than what the options are to replace him, got to sign him.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_01: Had him at six and two, looking like a Super Bowl contender.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_01: He was looking like an MVP front runner.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_00: And then everything went off the rails with his injuries, with the
1:03:27
SPEAKER_01: team's injuries.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_01: Very discouraging start for both team and quarterback,
1:03:33
SPEAKER_01: but they should put in the NFC South,
1:03:34
SPEAKER_00: or at least, I don't know, shit.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes, hold on.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_00: Tyler Shuck looked pretty good.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so I've studied him.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_00: That's okay, good call.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_01: You can't just smirch the Saints anymore.
1:03:44
SPEAKER_00: No, no, he and Olave are real.
1:03:49
SPEAKER_00: That connection is legit.
1:03:52
SPEAKER_00: And Shuck is, he played a quality game, a lot of passes, too many passes.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: But I like the way Kellen Moore is playing with him.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_00: They have a plan.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: Even though it was 21-0, it didn't look 21-0 in that game.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_00: The Saints were down to Detroit.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_00: You could tell they were doing some things.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_00: They just weren't finishing drives and weren't capitalizing on some things.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_00: But that's a credit to them for staying the course, not panicking.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_00: They fought back, obviously had chances to win.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_00: But Kellen Moore is doing a good job with Shuck.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: That's that combo we're talking about.
1:04:22
SPEAKER_00: Owner, GM, head coach, quarterback.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_00: New Orleans is trending in that direction.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_00: I like what they're – they look good.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_00: Those two are unguardable right now.
1:04:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Shuck and Olave is unguardable.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: His routes are tough.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: His body control, his hands.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_00: And they're on the same page.
1:04:39
SPEAKER_00: And when you see that, that's natural.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, the Saints – and let me ask you this.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_00: Was it hard?
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: Not hard.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: Was it funny for you to see Mike Evans in the San Fran uniform?
1:04:50
SPEAKER_00: I struggled with that.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: I kept thinking it didn't look right.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: It's funny.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: This morning – I don't know if it was ESPN or NFL Network,
1:04:58
SPEAKER_01: had it on in the background, of course, right?
1:05:00
SPEAKER_01: Still throwing that on in the background.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_01: And the bottom of the screen, they do their stardom, sit them for fantasy.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_01: Mike Evans popped up, and they still had the Buccaneers logo next to him.
1:05:09
SPEAKER_01: So I think it's weird for everybody.
1:05:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's strange.
1:05:12
SPEAKER_00: I still think he's on there, yeah.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_00: But no, Shuck is real.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: He's good with the coach.
1:05:16
SPEAKER_00: I like that.
1:05:17
SPEAKER_00: They have a plan with him.
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Kellen Moore, you
1:05:21
SPEAKER_01: can tell.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's something there with him.
1:05:24
SPEAKER_01: Smart dude.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_01: And he's got the quarterback.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: And to think,
1:05:29
SPEAKER_01: not too long ago,
1:05:32
SPEAKER_01: it was a national emergency that the New Orleans Saints selected Tyler Shuck
1:05:35
SPEAKER_01: over Shador Sanders.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_01: Let's not forget the uproar over that egregious decision to pass on Shador for
1:05:43
SPEAKER_00: Tyler Shuck.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_00: The Browns should, I was thinking the Browns should just play each guy one quarter.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_00: Like do it like participation stuff.
1:05:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey,
1:05:52
SPEAKER_00: you get the first,
1:05:52
SPEAKER_00: you get the second,
1:05:53
SPEAKER_00: Gabriel, you get the third, and then that rookie, Taylor Green, you get the four.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_00: They have four quarterbacks.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_00: Each one gets a quarter.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_00: Let's have some fun with it.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: FCS Cleveland Browns.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: FCS.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: None of them.
1:06:05
SPEAKER_01: That's the stuff that we see like in Ella's summer soccer,
1:06:09
SPEAKER_01: six and under, seven and under soccer.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_01: Equal playing time.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_01: Almost like we're evaluating.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they do the evaluate.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_00: We're evaluating to see what teams we're going to put you on, how we're going to place you.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_00: Everybody gets a trophy.
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: Trophy, quarter.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_00: Participation.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_00: End of the day, they got four guys and none of them are good.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_00: Think about that.
1:06:30
SPEAKER_00: They're sitting there and none of them are good enough.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_00: That's the end.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: Todd Munkin's got to stand there and defend him.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_00: Todd Culley.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
1:06:40
SPEAKER_00: Todd Culley.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_00: There's no way he's lasting.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know why he got the job.
1:06:45
SPEAKER_00: For this, probably.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_00: Just like Culley did.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_00: We need somebody to come in and take a bullet for a year.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_00: Give him a good, give him, pay him.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_00: Because what did Munkin do?
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: Lamar Jackson
1:06:57
SPEAKER_01: won an MVP.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_01: Probably had something to do with that.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_00: Mars won an MVP with anybody, as we know.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_00: If you remember, we heard Brian Dable made Josh Allen, supposedly.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_00: I think we know how that turned out.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_00: I think that Dable did a lot of good.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_01: Those early stages.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_00: We talked about it.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_01: Those early stages when he was a 52% quarterback.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_01: Well, Mahomes, Allen,
1:07:27
SPEAKER_01: all these quarterbacks would have willed themselves to the tier in which they- 100%.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_01: Occupy now, for sure.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_00: No doubt.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:07:33
SPEAKER_00: No, that's all.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_00: That's all it is.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:07:35
SPEAKER_00: They all were going to be great no matter who's coaching them.
1:07:39
SPEAKER_00: Generationals.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_01: I just wonder why we even waste time talking about the Browns, thinking about the Browns.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: They aren't taking themselves seriously.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_01: Why should we?
1:07:50
SPEAKER_00: No, we shouldn't.
1:07:51
SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_00: Each quarterback gets a quarterback.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_01: You didn't have to do this, right?
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: Like I get it.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_01: Jimmy Haslam is the overarching presence over it all,
1:08:04
SPEAKER_01: but which by the way, check out the pod with Todd Haley and Jared Bailey.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_01: They were awesome.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_01: And Todd told the story of the 2018 draft and I get it.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of GMs and former coaches.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_01: It's like, I believe this, but he doesn't have any reason to lie.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't think Todd Haley's lying when he says he would tell Jimmy Haslam every day.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_01: They got to get Josh Allen.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_01: And he said that Jimmy, he was a face talker.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_01: So he's like right in your face, like the old Seinfeld character.
1:08:32
SPEAKER_01: He's right there.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_01: And he'd tell him, Josh Allen, they didn't go Josh Allen.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_01: But they didn't have to, in terms of this offseason, this season, I get it.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_01: You're on the hook for all this money.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_01: You've restructured the money and whatever.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_01: It's more than a contractual albatross.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_01: It's an albatross of team morale.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_01: If you're a teammate and you see that you're trotting out these quarterbacks,
1:08:59
SPEAKER_01: where's the hope, right?
1:09:01
SPEAKER_01: Where's the will to fight?
1:09:03
SPEAKER_01: And from the top down, the priority isn't winning.
1:09:07
SPEAKER_01: You're telling me there wasn't any other quarterback out there all offseason.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_01: Go to backup quarterback island.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_01: Get yourself a Garoppolo, whatever.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_00: Kirk Cousins.
1:09:17
SPEAKER_00: They're always there.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_00: They're always there.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_00: Always ready.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:09:20
SPEAKER_01: And maybe they weren't accused of sexual assault.
1:09:26
SPEAKER_01: That wouldn't hurt.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_01: The funny thing is, you do have a stadium to fill with fans.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_01: How many Deshaun Watson fans are in that stadium when they open up?
1:09:36
SPEAKER_01: He might not be the starter week three for their home opener.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_00: I want the story.
1:09:40
SPEAKER_00: I feel like the owner has him.
1:09:42
SPEAKER_00: I feel like he's making him keep Shador Sanders too.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they want him.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_00: So that seems owner driven as well because he's not good enough.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_00: No coach is playing quarterback that doesn't take being a captain seriously
1:09:55
SPEAKER_00: or doesn't take every single day being serious.
1:09:57
SPEAKER_00: Like, especially Munkin.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: He's old school.
1:10:01
SPEAKER_00: He's not.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_00: There's no way he's into that.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_00: Now, production will equal.
1:10:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, if Shidwar comes in and makes plays, that's all good.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_00: But I've never seen it.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_01: I want to do this each week.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_01: So we're recording it Wednesday.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_01: I think there's enough.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_01: We're.
1:10:18
SPEAKER_01: We've got enough behind us, enough in front of us.
1:10:21
SPEAKER_01: I haven't really thought about the Week 2 matchups very closely, but that's okay.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you have either.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_01: Let's just rifle off straight up, not looking at spreads.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_01: Just tell me who's going to win the game.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_01: We'll go back and forth, all right?
1:10:32
SPEAKER_00: All right, give me the game.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_01: Lions, Bills, Thursday night.
1:10:40
SPEAKER_00: Bills.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_00: Got to do it.
1:10:43
SPEAKER_00: I think they got to find, yeah, I think the Bills, they're just too loaded on offense right now.
1:10:48
SPEAKER_00: They look scary.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_01: Opening up the new stadium,
1:10:53
SPEAKER_01: first chance for Joe Brady, Josh Allen, working concert together at home.
1:10:58
SPEAKER_01: It looked a little different to me.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_01: I'll just say that.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_01: He seemed a little more unleashed in some different ways.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a good first sign for this partnership.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_00: Baltimore and Buffalo look pretty happy on offense.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Carolina travels to Atlanta where Matt Ryan or Steve DeBerg may play quarterback.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to pick Atlanta.
1:11:24
SPEAKER_00: I have no clue who the quarterback is, but that's the NFL.
1:11:27
SPEAKER_00: They didn't play that bad.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_00: Their defense showed up.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_00: They made Pittsburgh work.
1:11:31
SPEAKER_00: That was a winnable game for Atlanta.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_00: I think they could sneak one out.
1:11:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like Bajon Robinson to just take over this game as well.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_01: That's what he does.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_01: We saw what Chicago did on the ground running for a million yards.
1:11:44
SPEAKER_01: I think Bajon Robinson has himself a day.
1:11:46
SPEAKER_01: They're underdogs at home, by the way, two and a half.
1:11:48
SPEAKER_01: All right, Vikings are five and a half dogs traveling to Chicago.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_01: What do you got straight up?
1:11:58
SPEAKER_00: I think the Bears win.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_00: That game is going to be a good one, though.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_00: Flores against Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_00: That's about as good as it gets right there.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_01: Punching Kyler Murray into the old search bar here.
1:12:13
SPEAKER_01: He's in concussion protocol.
1:12:15
SPEAKER_01: They're keeping it up in the air.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_01: It was really difficult to watch.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_01: Although I'm not really sure, Javon Bullard, what you do there.
1:12:25
SPEAKER_01: He's a violent player to begin with.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_01: Tyler Murray's keeping the play alive.
1:12:30
SPEAKER_01: I give Kevin O'Connell credit.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_01: He didn't fault the Packers for the hit.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_01: I tend to agree with him.
1:12:36
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's Kyler, whether it's Carson Wentz.
1:12:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm trusting Flores to cook something up in this one.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm going Vikings in Chicago.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_00: I like it.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_00: I would definitely take the points.
1:12:48
SPEAKER_01: All right, this is a quick and painless one, I think.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_01: Eagles, Titans.
1:12:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Eagles win, but yeah.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_00: That's one of those tricky,
1:12:58
SPEAKER_00: ugly games for Philly where you just want to get in there and get that win.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_00: It's a scary trap game because they're banged up up front.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_00: Tennessee was embarrassing.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_00: They're going through it right now, so you might get Cam Ward just frustrates me.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't understand it.
1:13:12
SPEAKER_00: The arm talent's there, but the rest of the play in the position is not right now.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_00: It's just no rhythm at all.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_00: Couldn't beat the Jets.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_00: Right, Philly.
1:13:24
SPEAKER_00: That was disappointing.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll go Eagles.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_01: Patriots are hosting the Steelers.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_00: I like Patriots.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_00: I think they get back on track.
1:13:37
SPEAKER_00: Pittsburgh has a long ways to go.
1:13:38
SPEAKER_00: I thought that offense would look more in sync.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: That was ugly.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_01: Did you catch Rodgers just bitching about all these calls after?
1:13:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't care this year.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_00: No, he bitched about calls, receiver.
1:13:49
SPEAKER_00: It's anything.
1:13:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it'll be fun.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll go Patriots as well.
1:13:56
SPEAKER_01: Packers at Jets.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it better be the Packers.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_01: If they lose this game, the temperature will be cranked to decibels that we haven't.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_01: It hurt in quite some time.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll say Packers, but it
1:14:14
SPEAKER_00: doesn't feel good.
1:14:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm with you.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't feel good.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't feel good.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
1:14:18
SPEAKER_01: All right, Browns at Bucks.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_01: Bucks.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, come on, Tampa.
1:14:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_01: Saints at Ravens.
1:14:28
SPEAKER_00: It's in Baltimore.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_00: I think Baltimore takes care of business, but they're in for one.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_00: They're in for one.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do like Jesse Minner against
1:14:37
SPEAKER_01: a young quarterback, though.
1:14:39
SPEAKER_01: Let's remember, Detroit, they don't have Kirby Joseph.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_01: They didn't have Brian Branch.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_01: I like Shuck as much as you two.
1:14:46
SPEAKER_01: I think that they bring Shuck back to earth in this one defensively.
1:14:53
SPEAKER_01: Bengals at Texans.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_01: The Texans in a tricky spot where, I mean, you got Josh Allen.
1:15:00
SPEAKER_01: Now you got Joe Burrow.
1:15:01
SPEAKER_00: Burrow.
1:15:02
SPEAKER_01: Staring down the barrel of 0-2 here pretty quick.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm going Houston.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_00: I think since he kind of had a game given to them by Tampa,
1:15:11
SPEAKER_00: I think Houston's going to be a little bit frustrated.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_00: Their defense has got some pride.
1:15:15
SPEAKER_00: I like Houston.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:15:19
SPEAKER_01: In the interest of being different, I'll go with the visitors.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_01: I'll go with Cincinnati.
1:15:23
SPEAKER_01: As much as I love that Houston defense,
1:15:26
SPEAKER_01: they started a little slow last season from what I remember.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_01: Jags at Broncos.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_01: And the four o'clock slot, Empower Field.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_01: Can Bo Nix, Sean Payton, and the gang bounce back?
1:15:39
SPEAKER_01: Jacksonville,
1:15:40
SPEAKER_01: as we noted there,
1:15:41
SPEAKER_01: Elkville Brewing Company, the forgotten contender, has gotten no love.
1:15:46
SPEAKER_00: They are making us look extremely crazy because they were lights out.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, I'm going to go Denver.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_00: Once again,
1:15:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm going with these teams that got embarrassed,
1:15:54
SPEAKER_00: thinking they have some pride and come back strong.
1:15:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to agree with you.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_01: As much as I like the Jags, I think there's too much pride there in Denver.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_01: They are.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_00: They find some solutions.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be a good game.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_01: Raiders at Chargers.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_00: Man, I don't see much with the Chargers right now,
1:16:14
SPEAKER_00: but you don't want to get caught up in things.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_00: But we already thought we know Herbert's the greatest quarterback to never do anything.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_00: I think the Raiders, that's a sneaky game for the Chargers.
1:16:24
SPEAKER_00: Have some fun.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_00: Take the Raiders.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_01: I can't see the Chargers losing this one.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_01: Granted, there's really no such thing as a home field advantage out there.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_01: Again, John Harbaugh.
1:16:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, Jim Harbaugh.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_01: He's been around forever.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_01: I've had a hard time seeing him having two clunkers to start the season.
1:16:47
SPEAKER_01: Cardinals and Raiders.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_01: He can't lose to the Cardinals and the Raiders, right?
1:16:51
SPEAKER_00: That's a tough start.
1:16:52
SPEAKER_00: That's a tough start.
1:16:56
SPEAKER_01: I like this one.
1:16:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Commanders at Cowboys.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_01: So the Cowboys,
1:17:01
SPEAKER_01: all we heard about,
1:17:02
SPEAKER_01: and we took that juicy bait,
1:17:06
SPEAKER_01: that worm on the hook, hook, line,
1:17:09
SPEAKER_01: and sinker with the Christian Parker-led defense,
1:17:12
SPEAKER_01: the personnel, Will McClay, and the Giants just punched him in the mouth.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_01: So does Dallas bounce back at home against a Commanders team that was down big,
1:17:23
SPEAKER_01: came back, made it a game, couldn't finish?
1:17:25
SPEAKER_01: New coordinators, all that.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_00: I say yes.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_00: I think they find a way.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:17:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm taking Dallas.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_00: I think they're good.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_00: I think these teams that laid an egg, I think they are good.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Cowboys didn't really lay an egg.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_00: They were starting to light up the Giants a little bit there.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_00: They were scoring.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_00: They just didn't get a lot of possessions.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_00: But I think Dallas bounces back.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_00: Too many weapons on that offense.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_00: And Dak's too good.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I want to say Dallas, too.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_01: But I still love Jaden Daniels.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_01: So for that reason and that reason alone,
1:18:06
SPEAKER_01: and he may be my quarterback in fantasy football, we'll go with Jaden Daniels.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
1:18:11
SPEAKER_01: Seattle at Arizona.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_00: I could take Arizona there.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_00: I think they could catch him.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_00: Back up court, Drew Locke's playing.
1:18:25
SPEAKER_00: Yep, I like Arizona to pull one off.
1:18:28
SPEAKER_00: The defending champs, though.
1:18:31
SPEAKER_00: The dark side.
1:18:33
SPEAKER_00: Backup quarterback.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_01: One quote is echoing in my head.
1:18:42
SPEAKER_01: I remember talking to T.C.
1:18:43
SPEAKER_01: McCartney about Drake May.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_01: He coached May his rookie year.
1:18:47
SPEAKER_01: Had some great insight into what makes him tick.
1:18:51
SPEAKER_01: And he had Drew Locke in Denver.
1:18:53
SPEAKER_01: And out of nowhere in our conversation...
1:18:55
SPEAKER_01: Just starts going on and on about how he really loves Drew Locke's game.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't know.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_01: He's good.
1:19:02
SPEAKER_01: He kind of broke down wide the way he sees the field.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_01: He's a gunslinger for a backup, which is kind of rare.
1:19:06
SPEAKER_01: No, he's a good one.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_01: He's a good backup.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_01: They've got, you know, basically they're coming off a bye week.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go Seattle.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_01: I think Seattle wins this easily.
1:19:17
SPEAKER_01: Miami travels to San Francisco.
1:19:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, San Fran wins.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_01: Thirteen and a half points spread.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
1:19:26
SPEAKER_00: That's two main points.
1:19:27
SPEAKER_00: I would take those points.
1:19:30
SPEAKER_01: But the Niners win.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_01: You hinted at this one, the Sunday night special, Colts at Chiefs.
1:19:37
SPEAKER_00: My upset special, Colts.
1:19:39
SPEAKER_00: To win it.
1:19:40
SPEAKER_00: They can run the ball, too.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_00: We need to see if Danny Jones can at least move around a little bit.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: That'll make me feel better about it, but.
1:19:49
SPEAKER_01: That would be concerning, right?
1:19:50
SPEAKER_01: He didn't move at all.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_01: He was so stationary.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_00: No, and that's what makes him.
1:19:53
SPEAKER_00: I know.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_00: If he's not running, he's...
1:19:59
SPEAKER_00: I still like Kansas City.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_00: I'll go Kansas City there.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_01: And Monday night, top it off, the New York Giants travel to the LA Rams.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_01: There will obviously be more Giant fans in the house than Ram fans.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_01: The dream team could start 0-2 here.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_00: I like the dream.
1:20:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to take the Rams.
1:20:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to stick with my theme of guys that got embarrassed.
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: I think they bounce back.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_01: It's a good theme because we do see it every year.
1:20:29
SPEAKER_01: There's the annual freakouts over this team or that quarterback losing or looking bad.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll trust the reigning MVP, Matthew Stafford.
1:20:38
SPEAKER_01: But it's not great when Miles Garrett's out.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
1:20:44
SPEAKER_00: No, it certainly wouldn't shock any of us if the Giants pull this one off.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_00: If Dart plays like that and they can run the ball, tough.
1:20:54
SPEAKER_01: This was fun.
1:20:55
SPEAKER_01: Thanks a ton, Jim.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to do this all season long.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_01: This will be great.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: We have to do it in person, too.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_01: That was a great time at EBC.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: Anytime you want to come down to Ellicottville.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_01: Always.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_01: Southern tier.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
1:21:10
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1:21:16
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