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It's Just a Helicopter... Don't Kick the Dog · Made of Stars

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Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics, and
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space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been known to learn about astronomical
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phenomenon, the scientific method, and expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism
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and uranus. Listen, that's your own risk. Go ahead. When made
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of stars, made them stars, madies. When made of stars, you
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could be from high they would New Mexicomus, where all stars? When we
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are made of stars. I'm West Carol, joined by my good friend doctor
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Sean, cruising from Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. Morning Sean,
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Hey, good morning West. We got a lot of fun stories today.
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There's some really weird stuff. Some of the stories are fun. There's
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a sad one in there. It's just it's an image. It's a little
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sad. It shouldn't be sad, but it is sad, and we're having
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a hard time with it. But we'll get to that one in just a
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little bit. We're gonna start with a return mission because the Axiom, the
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crew dragon guys are back or coming back to Earth tomorrow. But I guess
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they're en route. Are they on their way. Now they are technically on
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their way. Yes, So you know the guys on the AX three mission
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up to the International Space Station, that team of astronauts are all commercial astronauts,
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right, so these are not NASA astronauts going to the space station.
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That's the team that paid their way to space basically through Axiom Space to fly
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on the Crew Dragon, the SpaceX Crew Dragon up to the International Space Station
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and have a little stay. So they were, you know, scheduled to
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be up there for about two weeks. But the cool thing is for them
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at least that the weather back on Earth delayed their re entry, which means
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they got to spend the better part of another week in space, right,
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And so that's actually I think it's a cool thing for them. You know,
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I imagine that being in space is just such an amazing adventure that if
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you get a little extra time, just a few extra days, you know,
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you might enjoy that. I Mean, we've done stories about astronauts and
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didn't enjoy it because they had to spend like an extra six months in space.
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But this is just a few extra days, and I would imagine that
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that's kind of like you know, getting snowed in at a nice ski shalet
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and you have to spend a few extra days at the ski shalet. It
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kind of feels like that to me. So so the the Axiom AX three
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crew. By the way, that crew consists of Michael Lopez Aligria, he's
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actually an Axiom employee but a former NASA astronaut. He's the commander on the
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mission. Then pilot Walter Valadai, who is I'm sorry Valladai, who is
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from the Italian Air Force, Alper Gazavarchi, who is the first Turkish citizen
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to go to space, which is actually kind of cool. And then Marcus
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Vant who we did a story about last week on the podcast, who was
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driving robot dogs around on Earth from orbit. But he is a European Space
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Agency Reserve astronaut. So that's the AX three crew. They were originally scheduled
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to end their stay aboard the International Space Station on February third, but here
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we are on the eighth of February doing this show and they have undocked from
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the space station. They're on the Dragon right now. They would be coming
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down for a splash down tomorrow Friday morning around eight thirty am. That would
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be February ninth, in case you're listening to us in the future. Couple
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things. First of all, I think about the fact that and we didn't
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talk about this when when they launched, you mentioned the astronauts then and where
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they were from, and first citizen of Turkey to reach space. I guess
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I just can't help but wonder if if you're a country that you have a
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citizen that makes it. I mean, are you a little disappointed that you
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didn't get them there yourself or like one of your your country's astronauts. So
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I mean, I know this is now an astronaut from Turkey just because of
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the mission, but do you just wonder if they're a little like, oh
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man, I wish we could have could have gotten them there on our own.
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You know, here's what I think about that. I mean, so
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a lot of these countries that have gotten astronauts to space have ridden a board
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NASA vehicles or Russian Soul used vehicles, and so yeah, they had to
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hitch a ride basically with the Americans or the Russians or something like that.
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But these folks actually made their own own money and purchase their own ticket.
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That's a different level of independence. For me as I look at the situation,
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and that's what I'm getting at, you know, yeah, and that's
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what I'm getting at. I mean just sort of a you know, buying
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your way there versus you know, getting there the old fashioned way. I
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mean, it's not like it's not like Turkey has a space program that got
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their own astronaut to space, right, But this is also like didn't also
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did not have to hit a ride with the Americans, you know what I'm
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saying, because that could be a bit degrading. Oh yeah, the Americans
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made a spot for me. No, no, no, I bought my
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own ticket. I paid my own way, right, So I don't know,
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it's it seems to be somewhere kind of in between the national pride of
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having your own vehicle to get your own astronauts into orbit, which they failed
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fell short of, but they also didn't have to rely just on a you
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know, a courtesy ride from one of the other spacefaring countries. This guy
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actually was able to earn his own money buy his own ticket still as a
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Turkish citizen. I think that's maybe some middle ground there. Yeah, And
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I just wonder, is so is this guy Alper never ever gonna have to,
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you know, buy a drink in Turkey again, Like it is going
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to be that kind of rock star treatment back back in Turkey. I don't
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know the other other question I got, and I know we'd have have to
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actually ask a one of the astronauts who was on the International Space Station with
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this crew. But you equated like, and I agree with you completely,
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if you go on an exotic beach vacation and you're like, oh man,
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we're just stuck here at the beach, or you hear about people that get
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stuck maybe they're on a cruise ship and they have to like kind of divert
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a little bit because of the weather, and it means they get a few
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extra days on the cruise ship, and you think, well that that doesn't
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sound all that bad at all. Or as you and you pointed out obviously
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a Colorado guy, you talk about a ski trip. But I just I
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guess I wonder if the crew on board is starting to feel like they're they're
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visitors. They're like you know, holiday guests, the in laws in the
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house, and they're just eating all the food. Can we get these guys
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out of here? I mean, they're not even they're not even real astronauts
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really doing here. They just need to stop drinking all the tang I mean,
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I will tell you that. In a separate story that did not make
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our docket today, I read that the AX three crew actually left something behind
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for the ISS astronauts who are up there. Shall we call them the pros?
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I guess they're the pros. Yeah, they left them a big jar
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of peanut butter, which is apparently a valued commodity aboard the Orbiting Space Laboratory.
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That probably makes it better, so it probably kind of smoothed things over
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a little bit for the extra stay and eating some of the extra Piscatti's or
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whatever they're up there. That they left them a giant jar of peanut butter.
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I mean, that was that was kind of a nice gesture for that
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is commercial astronauts for the shall we call them governmental astronauts. So no concern
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about any future people to come to the International Space Station with any kind of
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peanut allergy. Obviously they're not looking out for them or whatever. Maybe they
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checked on all that before the peanut butter. I don't know. I mean,
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I'm just saying if in the future, do we know if Tom cruise
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has a peanut allergy or not, because eventually they want to get him up
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there. I guess they still want to do that at some point, I
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don't know, to make a movie anyways, non peanut allergy astronauts can finish
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off that jar before con sitting. You know, they would stuff it back
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in like one of the you know SpaceX dragons coming back to Earth, and
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you know with all the other debris and track, right, that's sort of
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signus cargo ships that burn up in the atmosphere. Hey, if you burn
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up peanut butter in the atmosphere, does that trigger peanut allergies? I would
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hope yeah. I don't know. That would be a study that I'm sure
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somebody would would want funded. I think I'm gonna initiate that study. See
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the dangers of burning up peanut butter jars coming back from orbit. Let's see
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if we can get a grant so we can make that study happen. Let's
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talk about the Sun and Mars. It's the Martian sun spot. I mean
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it's it's on the Sun, but it was spotted from Mars, but not
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by a person. I saw this cool headline on space weather which said Martian
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sun spot, you know, and had to turn Martian sunspot on, like
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what's a what's a Martian sun spot? That intrigued me enough to read the
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rest of the story, which space weather always has great stories anyway. But
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so I found out that, yeah, it's just what you said. It's
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big enough on the Sun that the Mars Perseverance Rover with its you know,
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rather unsophisticated cameras for looking at the Sun anyway, was able to spot the
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sun spot from Mars. So, I mean, Mars is you know,
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almost half again as far from the Sun as we are, which means,
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you know, the Sun's disc is even smaller from Mars than it is from
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Earth. And this thing is almost like it's similar in a sense to the
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unaided eye in terms of the magnification that the camera provides. And so it's
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saying that this is one really big sunspot on the Sun, right if you
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can pick it up with the Mars Perseverance rovers camera from the Jesio Crater on
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Mars, chances are you can see it from the Earth and you can.
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So there's a massive sunspot called Active Region number thirty five seventy six or AR
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three five seven six coming around the Sun today. It's a sunspot group.
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It's generally pointing in the direction of Earth now, which is interesting for one
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reason that it's big enough that you might be able to put on a pair
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of those eclipse glasses if you've gotten them for the April eighth eclipse already.
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By the way, if you haven't get your eclipse glasses now, friends,
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that eclipse is coming and the glasses are going, if you know what I'm
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saying. So anyway, if you have a pair of those around, though,
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and you can safely view the Sun, you should be able to slip
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those on your other wise unaided I in other words, no magnification, no
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telescope, and just walk out with only the eclipse glasses, look up with
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the sun. Make sure the glasses are on first, friends, come on
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now, and then look up with the Sun, and you should be able
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to see active region three five seven six, this giant sunspot group on the
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Sun with nothing more than the eclipse glasses. All of this according to spaceweather
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dot com from this morning. Now, what you want to do is you
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want to put the glasses on, you want to look at the Sun,
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and you want to find where the numbers are. You know, you want
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to find the three, five, seven six zone. It's labeled clearly like
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an address. And then and then start looking in that general area. I
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mean they spray paint them on there so the fire department can find the sunspots.
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It's very important that they the curve. Yeah, they need to know
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exactly what they're dealing with there. Oh, that's a really cool story.
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And and and you pointed out, uh in that the the the glasses are
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going quickly. Do you guys still have some there available at the Cocola Space
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Science Center for sale. We absolutely do. We ordered a big batch of
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them because we know that they're gonna be in very high demand, so we
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have a fairly sizable batch. But again I would say they're gonna go before
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the day of the eclipse. So don't wait until April seventh to buy your
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glasses for April eighth, because you're gonna have a really hard time finding them.
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Get your eclipse glasses now. Make sure they are ISO approved. That's
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just a way of saying they've been safety tested and they are the actual,
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bonafide real glasses and you can get those. Hey, one more thing about
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the sunspot, the big sunspot on there. If you go to spaceweather dot
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com and if you're not listening to us real time, pull up the archive
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and look up February eighth of twenty twenty four, because there is an absolutely
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gorgeous photograph of this beautiful sunspot group up there. It's an amazing detail.
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Check that out spaceweather dot com. Hit the archive for February eight, twenty
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twenty four. Check out a gorgeous picture of active region in three five seven
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six, a man assive sun spot group so big you can see it from
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Mars. I always love when we have a story that involves a zombie satellite,
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and we have a zombie SAT story this week. I mean, we
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try to find as many reasons on this podcast to say the phrase zombie SAT
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as we possibly can. And guess what we have today, a zombie satellast.
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So it's a bonofid real European zombie SAT. This is not like your
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South American or North American zombie set or Australian zombie SAT. This is a
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European zombie SAT, my friend. So this thing is actually set to crash
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to Earth sometime this month. They're being kind of vague because it's a zombie
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SAT. It's not really under anybody's current control. It is kind of it's
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a dead satellite. And if you don't know what a zombie SAD is,
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let me clear that up. It's a dead satellite that's still in orbit and
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still up there may be potentially causing some problems, all right. So this
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thing is an unc controlled weather satellite. It's called the European Remote Sensing two
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satellite. It gets the designation or the I should say, the acronym of
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ERS two, so the ERS two satellite. The European Space Agency. After
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the satellite died, it still had enough fuel on it to do some maneuvers.
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So this satellite was able to toby actually be able to be put in
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orbit that would allow it to come down safely and not interact with other satellites
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or be damaged by other space debris. So the European Space Agency did do
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some positioning of this satellite a number of years ago to prepare it for this
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final plunge to Earth. But it was launched all the way back in nineteen
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ninety five had finished its mission by twenty ten or twenty eleven rather, and
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so then the decommissioning was taken advantage of. And so this thing's been up
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there for a number of years, but it's finally coming down and it looks
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like so they're saying the words mid febr I mean we're recording this on the
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eighth of February, so that's like next week. Yeah, this thing makes
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streak over your house on Valentine's Day. So if you're out there, you
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know, doing what you do on Valentine's Day, under the starry sky,
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you might be able to see a zombie sat streak it. So there's a
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tip, there's an FAQ. There's nothing more romantic, really than looking at
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zombie SATs in the sky on Valentine's Night. Which do you suppose is sadder
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the thought of an out of use, decommissioned satellite just orbiting the Earth sadly
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all by itself, or a Mars helicopter sitting off in the sand all by
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itself. There's something really sad about the image of the Ingenuity just sitting there
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on a dune all by itself on Mars, and it's just a little helicopter.
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It's it's it's basically, you know, you get your little drone,
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it gets away from you. Maybe you spot a drone up in a tree
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and you see it and you go, oh, that's somebody's drone, and
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then you go on about your day. No, no, no, this
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is a different kind of drone. Why do we do this? You know,
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there's something we're crosswired in a weird way. Right. We see these
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inanimate objects and we just we just are attached to them emotionally. I'm not
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really sure why. I think it's the Star Wars movies. It's that darn
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R two D two. Well, we do it, crash can of a
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droid. Well, we also do it with people that we've never met.
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You know, we go, oh, Carl Weathers, Oh too bad.
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And it's not like I was gonna have Carl Weathers over for dinner next week.
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You know, it's but you feel you feel like you're the guy we
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had a pulse. That's true. No, I get that. But you
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know, there's just I think it's the same sort of wiring maybe that makes
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us think, you know, you feel like you kind of know Carl Weathers.
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You watch Predator a thousand times if you're like me, so, and
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also in Star Wars, I mean he didn't play a droid. But anyway,
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you know, here's the thing. There's also this video out there.
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It's a number of years old now, but it's from Boston Dynamics, the
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robot company where they built this dog called Spot the Dog, and they had
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their engineers out in the parking lot just testing Spot the Dog out and showing
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off his you know, stability platform and all that kind of thing. And
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one of the engineers just goes up and just kicks Spot the Dog. And
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the whole point of this is that Spot the Dog doesn't really lose his balance.
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He kind of you know, stumbles, the staggers and gets his feet
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back underneath him again. And then the engineer comes up and just basically boots
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Spot the Dog a second time, and Spot the Dog again staggers and stumbles
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and gets his balance back again. And so all the internet comments are like,
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stop kicking the dog. Why are you kicking that dog? Ladies and
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gentlemen. It's a robot. It's a piece of metal and circuitry. It's
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not a living creature. But we do this. We do we're wired weird
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and and you know, maybe it's the empathy capacities that you were just talking
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about. But something makes us look at this picture of the tiny Ingenuity helicopter
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sitting on a lonely Martian dude all by itself, and as they wrote on
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space dot Com for this story, Ingenuity already looks lonely. It already,
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folks, it's not lonely. It's dead. It's a robot. It's never
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alive in the first place. It's a box of wires and batteries and solar
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panels and circuitry. It's not a lie. We are in big danger,
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buddy. We're going into the AI robotics era, and we have this tendency
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to anthropomorphize, you know, objects like this Ingenuity helicopter and make it be
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a living thing and get emotionally bonded and attached to it, and you know,
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ex mocking our way into some dark, weird place. And now all
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these people online are feeling very sorry for the Tiny Ingenuity and and and hey,
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it's not that I can't look at this picture and feel that myself.
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Ah, that little robot helicopter, it's gonna be all well, you can't
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back out of it, because everything you said before that was just you repeatedly
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kicking that dog that's all you were doing the whole time, just kicking the
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dog. I say, kick that dog, I say, keep circuitry.
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And it's proper perspective, folks. Yeah, that's all I say. Well,
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I'll just say this, and I mean, I'm with you on that.
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It is obviously just a machine. Uh, And it's a I guess
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it's that same thing that we do like with our cars, because we do
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it with our cars. We love our car, and we get emotionally attached
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to, you know, where we live the memories that go with it,
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and we feel like we have some memories with ingenuity. I guess that's that's
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what it is. But I'll also just point out the fact that we have
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a definite need for more empathy in the world, and if that's the only
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empathy we're gonna get, at least maybe we can just have that, you
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know, I don't disagree with that, by the way, And the car
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analogy, it's perfect. Like most people just fell in love with the first
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car they ever owned, right like when you were a teenager or whatever age
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you were when you had your first car, it was like your first car
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Mine was a Ford Fiesta and it was hard to fall in love with the
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Ford, But I love my Ford Fiesta. It had little racing stripes and
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had a sun roof. It was, you know, a manual transmission.
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It was great. I loved it. I loved a car, so so
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you know, I get it. We fall in love with machinery. I
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don't really know why it is, but it's just true. All right.
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After a quick break, we are going to talk about an ocean under the
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surface of one of Saturn's moons. We'll get to that next. Scientists are
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always looking for water away from our planet. Is there a possibility that it
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is on one of Saturn's moons? That is the question before us. And
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but before we dive play on words there, dive into the story. Before
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we dive into this ocean story, let me just say this that water is
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everywhere in the universe, but it's not in liquid form. So liquid water
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is an extremely rare and magical substance. You don't think of it that way
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here on Earth because it's everywhere around us. We just see it all the
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time, We drink it, we bathe in it. I doesn't seem like
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that big of a deal. We live on a water world. But I
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promise you the range of temperatures and pressures and physical conditions under which water can
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exist as a liquid is extraordinarily rare in the cosmos in general. Here's the
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second thing that makes it kind of magical is that everywhere, and I do
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mean everywhere that we've ever found liquid water, we've also found life. Now
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it's important to state at this point that that's all on Earth. So because
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that's where we found the liquid water, we think there are some places out
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there in our solar system where liquid water also might exist in a natural state
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in a liquid but we haven't gotten to go and explore those quite yet.
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Because there are places like Jupiter's moon Europa beneath a multi kilometer thick layer of
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solid water which is ice and possibly below the surface of Mars, although again
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haven't had a vehicle or an astronaut that can go there yet and dig into
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those aquifers that are potentially there under the terrain of Mars and find out.
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So it's going to be very interesting to visit and measure make measurements at these
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locations where the weird substance liquid water possibly exists elsewhere in our solar system.
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Well, now, a team that's just reported their findings in the journal Nature.
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It's led by the Observatory of Paris. They've they've indicated that there's some
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evidence that suggests a tiny moon of Saturn called Mimas may also have subterranean liquid
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water oceans. Now, Mimas is a weird little planet. It's spherically but
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it's got a gigantic crater on one side that make it look a little bit
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like the Death Star from the Star Wars series. Perhaps you've seen pictures of
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this moon. You just didn't know its name was Mimas and it was one
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of Saturn's moons. But maybe you've seen the picture of a little tiny moon
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with a massive crater on one side. Well, that's Mimas, and potentially
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anywhere between twelve to nineteen miles below the surface ice of Mimas. Mimas is
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covered with liquid water ice primarily on its surface about you know, say,
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fifteen miles down. This group is suggesting that there could be liquid water oceans.
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That's because as Mimas rotates on its axis, the way it does it
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is very similar to our moon orbiting our Earth. The Moon of Earth always
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keeps the same side facing down towards the Earth. That's because of a thing
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called tidal locking. It's just gravitationally bound. The Moon has a heavier side.
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The heavier side always faces down. Well, Mimas does the same thing
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around Saturn. But the way that Mimas kind of wobbles around that equilibrium position
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of tidal locking suggests that something weird is inside the interior of Mimas. It
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doesn't. It doesn't wobble in a normal way that a homogeneous sphere, in
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other words, a sphere that's the same all the way through would do.
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So either it's got some kind of an oblong core shaped like a football,
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or the latest suggestion is it's got liquid water oceans, and that it's kind
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of like spinning an unboiled egg and just an egg, and all the sloshing
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of the liquid materials inside the egg make it spin in an unusual manner.
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Again, don't try this with a hard boiled egg. You pull the egg
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out before you cook it, spin it around. You see that it has
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kind of a of a different sort of motion as it spins. Well,
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Mimas is doing that, and we've known that for a long time. We've
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known that since measures taken by the Cassini probe. But this is a new
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study of parameters which kind of tend to eliminate the idea that mimas has a
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football shaped core, and now is leading toward the fact that it may have
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liquid interior in the form of water oceans, and that would make it one
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interesting place to go and examine that liquid water and possibly even test that water
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for the presence of living organisms. There is a pretty cool event coming up
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on Saturday at the River Center and it involves chatting about robots. Yes,
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so we're having an event called the robo Chat. The Robochat is a collaborative
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event with the River Center for the Performing Arts and the Muscoge County School District.
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From eleven am to one pm this Saturday, February tenth, We're gonna
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have many teams of robotics students set up their robots and demonstrate them in what
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we're calling an expo. It's a mini expo of robot teams that ranges everywhere
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from elementary to high school in terms of the age of the participants. And
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then at one pm, after the expo concludes, those students, their parents
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and anybody who wants to come can actually bring food or coffee into the River
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Center and come here a talk by a very eccentric individual who's going to talk
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about the history of robots and the exploration of space using robots. That guy's
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name is doctor Sean Crusen, executive director of Columba State University's Coca Cola Space
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Science Center. Yes, yours truly, friends, I am not an expert
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in robots, but I help get the robotics degree programs going here at Columbus
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State, and I have a little bit of knowledge of robotic mission exploration with
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NASA exploring the Solar System and so on. So we're going to be talking
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about out the history of robotics. Where did the word robot come from?
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If you don't know that, look it up or come see my talk one
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or the other. And then I will tell everybody about some of my favorite
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space robots which have already flown, and then some of the space robots that
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are yet to come in some brand new missions going out into the Solar System.
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So that's the robo Chat. It's happening this Saturday, February tenth.
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That event is actually kind of a warm up event for next Saturday, February
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seventeenth, because at the River Center for the Performing Arts, they're going to
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be showing the classic silent film Metropolis from nineteen twenty seven. If you know
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anything about this film, you know that it's kind of a kind of a
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social statement film, but it's also a bit of a sci fi film in
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the sense that they're turning people into robots. And there's one very famous female
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robot from that show, Metropolis that shows up a lot. And so the
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River Center for the Performing Arts will be showing that seolent film, but all
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of the musical soundtrack that normally accompanies a silent film is going to be played
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live by an organist on something called the Wave organ, So it's kind of
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a live musical performance. It's a movie presentation, it's about robots, and
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we will also have some of the robotics teams from both Columbus State University and
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from the Muscogey County School District set up that night as well. On February
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seventeenth, and the two you say, they roll into one another, so
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it's a lead up to that, which then leads into the Columbus Toy Comic
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Book Show that you guys will be doing. So it's all connected. Yes,
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So we're co promoting, as you know, part of this tied multi
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event that's taking place over at River Center. We are co promoting our own
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Columbus Toy and Comic Book show which is definitely robot and sci fi themed as
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well. And friends. That one's happening on February twenty fifth. That's a
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Sunday here at Space Signce Center from eleven am to four pm. And you
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can find out all the information about ticket prices and etc. On our website.
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Go to our website and visit www dot cc SSC dot org. Charlie
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Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org. Check out the Coke Cola Space Science Center's website
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for all the information on on robot events and robo chats and toy and comic
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book shows and just the general admission into our facility. Come out and see
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us today. By the way, a quick side note is also this Tom
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Scott, who's a friend of our museum, who also happens to be the
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brother of David Scott, commander of Apollo fifteen. Just last Saturday, presented
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us with a new artifact or a set of artifacts for display here at Space
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Science Center. Those artifacts are on display. They are pieces from David Scott's
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collection from his three trips to space. There's a commemorative coin from Gemini eight,
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which flew on Gemini eight with Dave and Neil Armstrong. There's a patch
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from Apollo nine, which is one of the last preparatory missions in Earth orbit,
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getting ready to send Neil and Buzz to the Moon with Mike Collins.
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And finally there's an American flag that went with Dave on Apollo fifteen to the
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surface of the Moon. So three spaceflown artifacts all in one presentation frame donated
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directly from the collection of David Scott by his brother Tom two Space Science Center
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last Saturday. That's already on display. Friends, So when you come down
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to Space Science Center, whether it's for the toy and Comic book show or
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just for a visit in general, make sure you check out that new artifact
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as well as all of the other great space artifacts we have in our exhibit
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gallery here at Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. And that'll do
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it for this week's Made of Star Sewan and I thank you for listening,
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