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Hour Three | Nick Underhill Talks Saints, NFL & Ask the Bench · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in OTB, hour number three, live
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  Speaker 4: from the Raising Cane Studio. It is Tuesday at 9 a.m.,
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  Speaker 4: so that means our guy Nick Underhill, New Orleans Stock Football,
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  Speaker 4: is going to join us now.
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  Speaker 5: Nicholas, how we doing, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Doing good. How you guys doing?
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  Speaker 3: You're doing good?
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  Speaker 5: You're doing good?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 5: We're over here hanging by a thread.
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  Speaker 3: Come on. We're so sad over here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good, man. I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How you guys doing?
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  Speaker 4: Again, hanging by a thread. Not a great football weekend.
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  Speaker 4: You know, not the best football weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Like, you know, LSU loss, the Saints loss, Tulane loss,
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  Speaker 5: my Chargers loss. It's not a great football weekend. But
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  Speaker 5: you're in a great mood, so that's good. So give
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  Speaker 5: us the good word after you saw.
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  Speaker 3: Why are you smiling?
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  Speaker 4: Minnesota come in to the Superdome and give the Saints
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  Speaker 4: another home loss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good. I mean, they're not good.
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  Speaker 7: They're having bad days. I hope they're having bad days. Man,
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  Speaker 7: that thing was tough, man. It's disheartening with the direction
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  Speaker 7: of the team right now. I think there's even ways
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  Speaker 7: to lose these games. And, you know, Tuesday morning after
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  Speaker 7: the Lions game, you know, no big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning after the Raiders game, no big deal.
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  Speaker 7: I think expectations for the team probably– eight, nine wins,
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  Speaker 7: like somewhere in there. So you're going to lose some games,
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  Speaker 7: but I think it's the way they're losing them. That is, um,
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  Speaker 7: confidence rattling. And it just feels like this collapse is
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  Speaker 7: like accelerated in, in some ways. Like it just kind
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  Speaker 7: of happened so fast. And, um, you know, being around it,
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  Speaker 7: the behind the scenes, it feels like the timelines, like
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  Speaker 7: just accelerated on, on just kind of like where moods
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  Speaker 7: are at and where the feelings at. And, um, Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: you go out, you have a great win against the Giants.
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  Speaker 7: It's back on track. Two weeks ago, Drake May was
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  Speaker 7: a fraud and the worst quarterback to ever live, and
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  Speaker 7: him and Brable were... you know, allegedly not on the
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  Speaker 7: same page and that, you know, so it's a disaster
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  Speaker 7: and then they beat the bills and everything's back on track. Like,
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  Speaker 7: so it's certainly in the season, you can turn things around,
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  Speaker 7: but I feel like this is an incredibly critical game and,
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  Speaker 7: you know, maybe you guys can speak to this, this point,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, one thought I have is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: if you lose to the giants and then Sunday night,
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  Speaker 7: Monday morning, whatever it is, you jump on a plane
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  Speaker 7: and you got to go fly to Paris and you're
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  Speaker 7: just like trapped in this, like, little Petri dish of
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  Speaker 7: emotion and stuck there for a week and you can't
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  Speaker 7: go nowhere or anything. That feels like that could be
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  Speaker 7: a incredibly challenging thing for the culture of the team.
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  Speaker 7: If like they're just completely sequestered in there, you're just losing,
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  Speaker 7: you can't do anything right. People are tapping on you
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  Speaker 7: to be like the mascots and ambassadors of the NFL
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  Speaker 7: and like another country. And it just feels like that
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  Speaker 7: could be something that could be very, very bad for them.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like they have to win this game this
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  Speaker 7: week or it becomes incredibly challenging.
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  Speaker 3: How do they do that? So it's hard to watch
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  Speaker 3: that game this past weekend and say we lost, but
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  Speaker 3: these things look good, but we're doing these things well.
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  Speaker 3: It went from the first three weeks. Like we felt
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  Speaker 3: pretty good about that one and two. Well, we don't
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  Speaker 3: feel very good about where we're at right now. Like,
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  Speaker 3: cause nothing looks good. Nothing looked like it's in sync.
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  Speaker 3: Like the play calling looks bad, but it also looks
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  Speaker 3: like you can't execute the plays you do have.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: This is where it gets tough for me because I've spent,
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  Speaker 7: I've been covering the NFL 16 years now. Like, and
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  Speaker 7: I just try to keep it about the football part.
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  Speaker 7: And I don't really try to care about what people say, but.
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  Speaker 7: the messaging here is getting tough too. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 7: kind of what you said, like, well, we had this
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  Speaker 7: good drive. Well, you had 11 drives or whatever it
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  Speaker 7: was that were not good. Like, what about, like, what
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  Speaker 7: about those? Like, it's just tough to hear about those things.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, man, like, are you kidding me? And I
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  Speaker 7: think it's just part of his nature too. Like if
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  Speaker 7: you watch like Boise state interviews, he talked.
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  Speaker 2: The same exact way. I think it's just, just who
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  Speaker 2: he is.
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  Speaker 7: He's going to kind of like verbally squirm through every
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  Speaker 7: answer and try to get out of there as quick
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  Speaker 7: as possible.
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  Speaker 2: And that that's fine. But you know, I think that
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  Speaker 2: stuff doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: Help, but The fact that, like, the whole Chris Alabe
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  Speaker 7: thing last week, so weird. Hey, man, like, we all
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  Speaker 7: saw him get hit at the end of that game. Like,
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  Speaker 7: it was a bad decision to have him out there. Fine,
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  Speaker 7: you didn't have a major injury. Just say he got
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  Speaker 7: banged up, and then he gets stepped on the next day,
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  Speaker 7: and it just makes the whole thing look like this big, giant,
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  Speaker 7: lying cover-up, and then everybody's talking about that, and it
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  Speaker 7: becomes a distraction, and it's just a weird thing. And then,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the Tyler Shuck thing is very weird, too,
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  Speaker 7: how they're trying to act like, I mean, like, when
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  Speaker 7: you're asked if the hand's broken and you can't say,
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  Speaker 7: answer it, like, okay, we already know what it is. Like,
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  Speaker 7: just say yes or, you know, whatever. But we see
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  Speaker 7: the handoffs are weird. We see the run game's weird.
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  Speaker 7: We see they're all kind of going one direction after, like,
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  Speaker 7: the timing's off early in the game.
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  Speaker 2: We see Tyler's not running the ball anymore.
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  Speaker 7: Like, a simple explanation on that might help with, like,
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  Speaker 7: the understanding of it. So, therefore, when people like us
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  Speaker 7: three idiots are sitting around talking about it, like, we
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  Speaker 7: got a little bit more insight in our And our
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  Speaker 7: critiques are aimed instead of just shotgun blast at everything.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, they can't do this. So like, how does
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  Speaker 2: that affect things? How does that change?
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  Speaker 7: But like, there's not even basic information on things. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, in a time like this, I actually do
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  Speaker 7: think that stuff matters. And it's just, you know, it's
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  Speaker 7: not something I even like talking about. I don't like
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  Speaker 7: complaining about it because if they, if their record was
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  Speaker 7: flipped and we're complaining about the interview answers, people are
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  Speaker 7: just telling us, you know, you're whining, shut up.
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  Speaker 2: And like, I get it.
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  Speaker 7: Like, and you should, but right now it's just all
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  Speaker 7: kind of, it just all feels weird, man. Like it
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  Speaker 7: just all feels like, like underbaked and just not ready.
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  Speaker 5: The saints don't have an identity. I think that's clear.
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  Speaker 4: But if I was to ask you, what do they
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  Speaker 4: think their identity is or what are they trying to
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  Speaker 4: make their identity? Like, what would you say right now?
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  Speaker 4: Because I can't put a, an identity on this team.
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  Speaker 4: If you gave me a hundred tries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's kind of like.
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  Speaker 7: Someone said this to me and it felt very apt
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  Speaker 7: after this game and said, it's almost kind of like battleship.
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  Speaker 7: like on offense, like they're just kind of, they're just
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  Speaker 7: kind of hoping they hit something and they're doing it.
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  Speaker 7: And it's kind of like, you got your run game
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  Speaker 7: over here and you got your past game over here.
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  Speaker 7: You got two offenses that you're kind of just randomly
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  Speaker 7: calling plays from, and it isn't sequenced together. And, um,
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  Speaker 7: you know, there's no play action connecting it, by the way,
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  Speaker 7: like if his hands messed up, like maybe that's a
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  Speaker 7: reason why, like maybe that, that fakes an effective or
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  Speaker 7: dangerous or something like, you know, maybe you can't, maybe
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  Speaker 7: that's part of it too, but their, their play action
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  Speaker 7: in the second half of games like disappears. Um, It's
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  Speaker 7: even before his hand was messed up. Very, very strange
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  Speaker 7: thing with that. First half of games, like it's kind
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  Speaker 7: of their second half is just gone. I also don't understand, like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, he's asked about, you know, no screens, no,
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  Speaker 7: no screens. Last year was something we used to talk
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  Speaker 7: about on here all the time. Play action. He's like,
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  Speaker 7: we can't get to it. It gets too drop back.
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  Speaker 7: He like, well, just call it. If you want to
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  Speaker 7: run a play action, just call it. If you want
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  Speaker 7: to run a screen, just call it. You ran the
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  Speaker 7: ball six out of your first eight first downs. One
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  Speaker 7: of those could have been a play action. First down
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  Speaker 7: is the most popular play action down in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand. We can't get to it. Well, you can.
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  Speaker 7: And when the game's within eight, you're calling them at
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  Speaker 7: the lowest rate in the entire NFL. So I don't
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  Speaker 7: understand the difficulties that they believe they're facing and kind
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  Speaker 7: of sequencing their plays.
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  Speaker 2: But I agree.
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  Speaker 7: There is no identity there. They tried to change their
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  Speaker 7: run game to be more outside zone this year. That
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  Speaker 7: isn't working for them. You know, I feel like they
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  Speaker 7: got offensive linemen that are built to, you know, be
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  Speaker 7: outside zone players. And then it's just kind of, just
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  Speaker 7: kind of nothing goes together right now. And I would
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  Speaker 7: say that that's the damning thing for them right now.
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  Speaker 7: And again, if they win a game, like all that,
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  Speaker 7: like everything turns and, you know, it puts some patience
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  Speaker 7: into everything, but to have an offensive head coach, to
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  Speaker 7: where you spent the whole off season adding your offense
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  Speaker 7: and granted there's some injuries right now. But, like, you
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  Speaker 7: can't be bad on offense and have no offensive identity
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  Speaker 7: when your whole team's been built on offense. The whole
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  Speaker 7: idea of hiring an offensive head coach was to have
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  Speaker 7: the in-house offensive identity that you build upon, and then
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  Speaker 7: nobody can steal it. Nobody can hire it away. And
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  Speaker 7: that was the whole thing. Like, okay, he's 35. He
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  Speaker 7: might need time to develop, but he has this offense. So, like,
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  Speaker 7: maybe the game management stuff's a little bit spotty, but
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  Speaker 7: the offense is going to be so on point and
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  Speaker 7: they can grow into it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 2: I can buy that idea. But that isn't what it
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  Speaker 2: is right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, so I was listening to you talk
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  Speaker 3: about the play action. It's like, you're not going to have,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way to have a effective play action game
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  Speaker 3: when your quarterback, when he hands the ball off, it
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  Speaker 3: looks like he's given the running back soft serve ice
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  Speaker 3: cream in a cone. Like that's what it looks like.
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  Speaker 3: He's handed to him. So like you can't fake that.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's hard to, it's hard to play action off that.
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  Speaker 3: So you see it all the time, coordinators and head coaches,
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  Speaker 3: like when you have, when you're playing with injuries and,
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  Speaker 3: you help your team out, just get completions. And that's
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  Speaker 3: where the screen game comes down. You give your guys
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  Speaker 3: easy completions. And if I had to pick an identity
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  Speaker 3: for the offense, it's been Chuck and Alave, right? But
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  Speaker 3: when you take everything away from them, they can't compete.
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  Speaker 3: And you go against a good defense like that. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't, I had a hard time
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  Speaker 3: watching the game and seeing the silver lining in the situation.
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  Speaker 3: And then my, my kid's heartbroken over there. Cause he
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  Speaker 3: loses fantasy. Cause Tyler shut, got him one and a
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  Speaker 3: half points. I don't want to see that anymore.
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  Speaker 6: It's brutal.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. I, yeah. Him in a lobby or definitely the
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  Speaker 7: identity of the team. That's kind of the only good
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  Speaker 7: thing to have going right now.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it.
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  Speaker 7: Like, On one hand, you kind of expected this game
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  Speaker 7: to go like this, but then it's.
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  Speaker 2: So punchless, like the way it looks.
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  Speaker 7: Like you expected Brian Flores to make life hard on
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  Speaker 7: Tyler Schuch.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's what he does.
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  Speaker 7: He's a young quarterback. But it was like they had
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  Speaker 7: nothing to help him. That's the problem. It's like we're
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  Speaker 7: going to just– we're going to put our running back
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  Speaker 7: in the A gap and there's going to be nothing.
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  Speaker 7: And he's going to be sitting so far up. We
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  Speaker 7: have no play action going. We have nothing going. We
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  Speaker 7: have no screen game going. So it's like even when
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  Speaker 7: you have a guy in the backfield, there's nothing that's
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  Speaker 7: even– slowing them down because like you're relying one way
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  Speaker 7: every time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 7: At certain times, like you probably do got to set
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  Speaker 7: up like that to give your QB a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of time and you don't care if they know if
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  Speaker 7: you're passing, but it was just everything they did just
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  Speaker 7: kind of like, I get so annoyed when people are like,
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  Speaker 7: it's predictable, but this is like legitimately predictable. Like you,
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  Speaker 7: you just see it. Like you just see what they're
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  Speaker 7: going to do every time. Oh, CJ Donaldson's out there
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  Speaker 7: and they're lined up under center.
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  Speaker 5: Well, okay.
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  Speaker 7: That like, we know what's happening here. Oh, CJ Donaldson's
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  Speaker 7: out there and they're in shotgun.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: We know what's going to happen here.
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  Speaker 7: Um, it's just kind of everything they're doing, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you can see what they're, they're trying to accomplish right
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  Speaker 7: off rip. And then, you know, some of the stuff
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  Speaker 7: they were doing well last year, attacking the seams and
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  Speaker 7: all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You look since week one, they.
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  Speaker 7: They have not completed a pass between the hashes and
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  Speaker 7: it's not, I don't think that that's a shuck thing necessarily. Um,
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  Speaker 7: he attacked that area of the field all last year.
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  Speaker 7: It's just kind of, you look and there's not a
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  Speaker 7: lot happening there. And like, they're really good, good on
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  Speaker 7: slants this year. I think 11 or 13 completing them, like,
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  Speaker 7: but they don't really lean into it too much. They're
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  Speaker 7: good on crossing routes, but they don't really like lean
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  Speaker 7: on them. Um, It's kind of like everything's outside the numbers.
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  Speaker 7: And look, if Chris is out there, that's kind of
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  Speaker 7: where I want all my dots on the throw chart
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  Speaker 7: to be. But you got to hit some stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 7: over the middle at times. And like that aspect of
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  Speaker 7: the offense has disappeared too. Now I don't think Tyler
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  Speaker 7: can run if this hand's actually messed up. Like you
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  Speaker 7: probably don't want him, you know, doing the Josh Allen scrambles.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what they're supposed to be right now.
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  Speaker 7: I think they're in a very, very critical place. And,
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  Speaker 7: you know, you can figure it out and beat the Giants.
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  Speaker 7: But if like Jameis beats you.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to be loud, man. I think it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be loud.
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  Speaker 3: When do you start talking about a hot seat?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a great question.
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  Speaker 7: When, when do we start talking about a hot seat or,
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  Speaker 7: or when do they start talking about a hot seat?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think if.
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  Speaker 7: They lose this game, you know, I think next Tuesday,
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  Speaker 7: like we're, we're probably, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: If they lose this game here. Yeah. They lose this game. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Like now you're going into Paris. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they can survive two lot.
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  Speaker 7: Like, I don't know if you can lose two losses
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  Speaker 7: in a row and then take that flight back and
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  Speaker 7: everybody's okay.
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  Speaker 2: When they land, they got, it's just really.
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  Speaker 5: We've heard it.
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  Speaker 3: We've heard it must wins. Is this a must one-on-one
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  Speaker 3: right now in the next two weeks?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. Here's the thing though.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think they would make a move right now,
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  Speaker 7: but I think the seeds could be sown.
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  Speaker 5: It would start a real conversation behind the scenes of,
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  Speaker 5: What do we do? What can we do? What's the
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  Speaker 5: future look like, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, like, let's just.
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  Speaker 7: Play through it right now. You got a young quarterback,
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  Speaker 7: Tyler Matters. Like, you know, all that stuff, his development,
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  Speaker 7: and it's the most important thing for your team. If
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  Speaker 7: you had Jack Cullen, who's even calling plays?
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  Speaker 4: That's a great point because there's not, like, a Pete
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  Speaker 4: Carmichael on the staff.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Tolzien.
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  Speaker 7: It could be like it told Z would probably be like,
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  Speaker 7: I don't, I don't know that Nussmeyer is doing it. Like,
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  Speaker 7: I just, I don't even know where you go from there.
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  Speaker 7: So even from that point of view, like Staley, I
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  Speaker 7: think would be a great interim coach, but like, I
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  Speaker 7: don't think, I don't think that you, I don't think
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  Speaker 7: it'd be the good thing for, for, for your quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: So even if you decided now, um, look, I run
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  Speaker 7: a business. I decided people are fired all the time
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  Speaker 7: and like, they don't know until months later when, you know,
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  Speaker 7: everything's in place. That's just kind of how stuff goes.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know that, uh, Yeah,
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 14:12
  Speaker 6: That would be the right thing.
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: I've heard Flynn have to fire somebody and him talk
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: about it for three or four weeks.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: I've heard him go through that. You had a great
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: answer to that. When does it get hot actually? And
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: then when does it get hot with the fan base?
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: But I think we've seen with Derek Carr, if it
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: gets hot with the fan base, I don't know if
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: there's any returning. And he's not doing himself any favors
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: with how he answers questions and presents himself and talks like,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: though the furthest thing from candidly with the fans or
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: to the fans, at least I was saints fan base, man.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: If they turn on you, there ain't no going back.
• 14:50
  Speaker 7: See that you make a great point there. Cause like I,
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: like I said, I hate talking about it and I
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: hate being the person that complains about it, but I
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: really do think in a disaster time, you gotta, you
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: gotta just open up a little bit. You don't have
• 15:02
  Speaker 7: to give anything away, but right. You can aim the critiques.
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: I'm a person that critiques for, unfortunately, and I hate
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: looking at it like that, but I'm a person that
• 15:12
  Speaker 7: critiques for a living. And if I have the information
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: on why something happened and how it broke, I'm going
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: to explain that instead of being like, I don't know
• 15:20
  Speaker 7: what he's doing. And I don't know what he's doing
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: enough times. And we're all looking at it and we're like,
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know what he's doing. That's a bad place
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: to be. That's how things get hotter faster. But if
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: there's a little slowdown, at least a speed bump, hey, look,
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: they were trying to do this. Hey, they didn't play
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: action because Tyler's hand is broken. That offsets, you know,
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: a lot of what's being talked about right now.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: But there's that piece of information isn't there. So, yeah,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: But look, also, not just Derek Carr, Dennis Allen, like
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: football didn't want to fire him.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Mickey didn't want to fire him. They tried to stand
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: in the way of that. It got loud enough. It
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: got hard enough.
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: Gail Benson said, hey, you know what? Like Nah, like
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: this isn't happening. Get them out of here. Like this
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: is done today. So yeah, I mean, it does matter.
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: Like oftentimes people get fired in the fan base, in
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: the media before, before they do in real.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Catching up with the guy, Nick Underhill, new Orleans, South
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: football here on OTB. I do want to get at
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: least one question on the other side of the football.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: And we were talking about this yesterday.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: The draft.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: And if it doesn't play out the way that it did,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the chiefs don't move up. do you think there's a
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: real chance the Saints would have gone after Mansoor Delane?
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Because when I watch the Saints on defense, there is
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: not one corner that I would say, oh yeah, I
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: feel good about that matchup with him on their one.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: And I think that's a problem. And honestly, Nick, it's like,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: do they have a, do they have like a two?
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Like that's what it feels like right now at corner
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: for the Saints. Like they have nobody like, Justin Jefferson,
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: like who's going to cover that guy this week? Malik neighbors.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: Who's going to cover Malik had 20 targets last game, 20.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Like who's going to cover that guy. We could go
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: on and on and on down the same schedule. And
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: I just wonder like if, if my sword lane would
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: have been there, if they would have made the moves
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: or an asset to ask if they felt good enough
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: at what they had at corner to go forward this season.
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: So, you know, The last several drafts, I've prepared one
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: or two stories for every draft, and one or two
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: of those people have gotten drafted every time. So there
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: was one guy that we recorded a 45-minute podcast for
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: and wrote an article on and had it ready and
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: published it before Roger Goodell went up.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And it was on Jordan Tyson.
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: We had a story, a secondary story prepared on Sonny
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Stiles in case he had fallen, and I thought Sonny Stiles.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Would have been the pick.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, I've been listening.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I thought that would have been it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: And then the third guy that we were kind of
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: really thinking that, that it could have been for a
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: while until it became incredibly clear. There wasn't going to
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: be a path to move up to get him was
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: Jeremiah love. Like that was the other guy early on,
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: maybe through February. It was like, okay, like we're hearing
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: some stuff, credible rumors. And yeah, like I think they
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: might try to do this. And then even, even leading
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: up to the draft, like there was some stuff about
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: calls and it's like, this could be, they could be
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: trying to do this, but, It kind of became clear, like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: at some point in February that it wasn't going to
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: be that.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: But, you know, like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: Delane was someone that I had heard that they liked,
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: but the way, like, where that name was listed in
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: the order, like, it wasn't something where I'm going to
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: extend that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: So they felt good about Ulay McKinstry being a number
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: one corner.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Or they felt, look, as I look at Kellen Moore,
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: why was he great in Philadelphia?
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: He had an all-world offensive line. He had two number
• 18:44
  Speaker 7: one wide receivers. He had the best running back of
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: all time. He had Dallas Goddard at tight end. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: think that their idea for success is just load up
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: on offense and you can kind of call whatever and
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: it works if you have enough guys. You can be
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: just this aggressive play caller. You just call whatever. Okay, look,
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: our first halves aren't working well. They worked in Philly
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: because they had all these players. I don't know that
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: he's suddenly... has forgotten how to prepare for a game
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: or script 15 plays.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I think just maybe the firepower is different.
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: So I think it, you know, their idea is if
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: you have so much on offense, everything works. Like there's
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: an answer for everything. If you, if you just show
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: up with answers and you're prepared. So I think they
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: just wanted to build out the offense first and have
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: that be the reason that they're winning games. And that's why,
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: you know, when you're not winning games and offense isn't good,
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: that's why you're looking at it. But no, I don't
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: know that they, they felt like Kool-Aid was, you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: Marshall and Lattimore. I think they kind of, know that
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: he's solid. And yeah, I think next offseason, it's pure
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: Brandon Staley. Go get all your guys. Until then, find
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: a way to survive. And I would say out of
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: all the things happening right now, I think Atlanta game aside,
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: I do think Staley is probably getting every drop that
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: he can out of his talent level. I don't think
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: they're the major issue, especially when you look at how
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: the team's built.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: All right, there he is, our guy, Nick Underhill.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: NewOrleans.football joins us every single Tuesday here on OTB.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Nicholas, we appreciate the time as always, sir.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Flynn really brought it today, man. I felt like he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: brought some good stuff out of this conversation.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Thanks, brother. Good energy today. All right, guys. All right, Nick.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Positive vibes.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Well, real positive vibes today. I told you. I told
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you guys. Ninja get up.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: No, from Nick, not from you.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. He gave me a great question.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Not a good. You were Debbie Downer yesterday. Everything we said,
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: you're like, nope.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised you didn't cry yesterday. You're so sad.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: At least I care.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I do care.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: I'm not going.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: To paint everything rose-colored over here.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Ain't no shape.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: What color are you going to paint it?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Probably just regular gold.
• 21:05
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• 21:11
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• 21:14
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• 21:16
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• 21:19
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• 21:39
  Speaker 4: here live from the Raising Cane Studio.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: Off the bench.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn. Presented
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• 22:12
  Speaker 8: All right, welcome back in OTV.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: We are going to be at Rouse's again on Friday.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: It's a football Friday. Home games, away games, night games,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: day games, 11 a.m.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Games. It does not matter. We'll be there. So on Friday...
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Since it is an early game, come pick up your
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: tailgating packages.
• 22:41
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• 22:43
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• 22:49
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Come hang out with us, though, on Friday morning.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Have a little breakfast bar, a little sushi bar.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: A little bit of everything there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Better get there earlier or it's going to be gone.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Because your boys are going to be eating it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: The eggs and hash browns, that is for sure.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Doesn't stand a chance.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Hates to see Flynn coming. Brosses.com.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: All that Kellen Moore talk, and I'm not trying to
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: put a coach in the grave right now, but it's
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: got to get better. And if you go 0-2, and
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you're coming back across the pond from Perry, it's.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Going to be some real conversations.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Nick didn't say that for no reason.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Nick didn't say that for no reason. And then he
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: expanded on that towards the end of that conversation about
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Kellen Moore and said, look, You look at the past.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: He had the best receivers, the best running back, the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: best line. That's how he was successful. So, I don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know what he was really getting at there, you know.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Well, you mentioned they tried to overload.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: They tried to have Jordan Tyson, Chris Alave, Devon Bailey,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Juwan Johnson. They went and signed A-Chan at running back
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: for 53 milli. They signed Edwards at guard. I think
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: he I think the whole point was they tried to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: overload the offense. The problem is, ATN's hurt. They haven't
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: been able to run the football. We couldn't find Jordan
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Tyson right now with a search warrant.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen him.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: What about all those first-rounders on the line, though? Got
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: to be doing pretty good there.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Well, the one that was doing good is on IR.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, shoot.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: And again, this conversation is not close. I don't think
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: it's happening. No, no, it's not.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: But if the Saints... If they do make a move,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I would love to see a different personality, I think.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: It's not to say that that personality, like, that can't win,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: but it's not hitting right now.
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: With this football team. I don't know. I just– I
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: don't know. I don't see what you need to see, like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: week in and week out.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Well– For a team that's not having success, you're not
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: getting what you want. The fan base isn't getting what
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: they want. Okay, I see the product on the field.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: It's not what we want, but come on, coach, tell
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: me why. Give me a reason to believe. Give me
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a reason to hope. Tell me, show me, make me comfortable.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Give me some comfort in knowing that there's a method
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: to the madness. There's a plan in place. Here's why
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: it's not working now. but this is what I have
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: to look forward to. Give me something. As a fan base,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: a fan base deserves that. Bill Belichick, his whole spiel
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: with the media was cute because they won. If they
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: were bad, people would be like, well, this guy's a prick.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They still said that, but
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: they're like, hey, it doesn't matter. He's winning. I'm not
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: comparing that to what Kellen Moore does, but he doesn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: give you anything. When you're bad and trying to build
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: franchise with a young quarterback like this fan base is
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: powerful man we talked about it like if you get
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: in bad graces with the fan base there's really like
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: there's really no coming back it is tough to come
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: back from if not impossible.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: So like.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It's not good on the field tell me why explain
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to me the path forward explain to me what the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: future holds explain to me what the plan is to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: be better yeah why should i still be excited as
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: a fan base, because what you showed on the film,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: what you showed on the field is the furthest thing
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: from exciting me about the future.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I'm right there with you.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: And I look, I had a chance to catch up
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: with 16 or 17 NFL head coaches this off season
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: in person. And so I got a chance to see
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: how they work. I got a chance to see how
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: they interact with their players. I got a chance to
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: kind of feel their energy through an interview as well.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: And, There's a lot of different ways to do it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: There is.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: But the ones that are the best just think that
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: they do everything that you just said. They make you
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: believe everything that you say. And if it's not going right,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the words that come next are very believable and you
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: buy into it. Even Todd Munkin, who's with the Cleveland Browns.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I was like, this football team I don't think is
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: very good. I watched practice today. They got some deficiencies.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: And My co-host, Pat Kerwin, had never met Todd before.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: He goes, well, I know why you're so high on
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Todd now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: After meeting him. Right? Like, that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: You just need to get some of that. Like, a
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: lot of people, you know, I remember when Dan Campbell
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: got hired and Hunt and Moscona made fun of his
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: kneecaps biting or whatever.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I was like, poof. You kidding me? I would take
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: that ish right now. Right now.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: What if he really bit a kneecap, though?
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: I'd double it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: I'd be like, He'd probably get fired because that's illegal.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: No, that's fine. If he's fighting, I don't care. But
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: like when Dan Campbell like walked into the room, it
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: was like a jolt of energy.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: That's what you got to have because you hired Kellen
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Moore philosophically because he was everything Dennis Allen wasn't, right?
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Like you hired Dennis Allen. He's a veteran coach, a
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: defensive-minded guy. Hey, let's go with the guy who's considered
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: a really good offensive coach, the young guy, hasn't been
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: a head coach before. Really the only similarities between Kellen
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Moore and Dennis Allen is their subdued personality, and he
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: hasn't worked in two cycles now.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: You don't have the answers right now, but I would
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: like to have the study guide.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Tell me what it looks like.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What's that thing they give you at the beginning
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: of the school year?
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Syllabus.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Syllabus. Syllabus.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Syllabus.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Syllabus.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Syllabus. Syllabus.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Syllabus. I want the syllabus.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Hey, I worked it out before you got there. It's
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: probably a word. I haven't said syllabus in a long time.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Like collegiate. No.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: You know? No, I just haven't said it in a
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: long time. Like, you know? And I worked myself there.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: You did.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: You found it. I'm proud of you.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Thank you. I'll take a syllabus. I'll take a study guide.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: I'll take some note cards, flash cards. Something.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Just show me how to get there. Right now, I'm
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: going into the test. I just went to the union,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: bought my schedule. got me a pencil, and that's the
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: only prep that I did.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because as of right now, I've been taking a
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: test with a number three pencil, and you're not telling
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: me that I need a number two. I failed every
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: single one of them because of it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a lie. Number three, pencil.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: No, Mom and Dad, it's just I had the wrong pencil.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: All right, we'll take a break. That made me sad.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Saints make me sad right now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: What makes you happy?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Telling me how they're going to be better from the
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: head coach.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Telling me why they're going to run the football better
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: from the head coach. Not thinking about Kool-Aid McKinstry covering
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Those things. Who's going to cover Isaiah Likely?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: He got a little banged up last game.
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  Speaker 5: Who? Likely. And he likely had 11 catches. So did Malik.
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  Speaker 5: They both had 11 catches.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to get right game for the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn. Presented
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back here. Off the bench. In the
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  Speaker 3: Quick question for you.
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  Speaker 5: What's up? Razor.
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  Speaker 3: Is he kind of grown into being a football fan
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  Speaker 3: yet or what?
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  Speaker 6: Kind of. Man, we want him to stop crying when
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: we stick him in front of that TV. Oh, dude,
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  Speaker 6: he loves it. I think he likes it more than
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to turn off the TV, and he's like, hey, Dad,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: can you get out of the way? Josh Allen and
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford are playing. Okay, let's back up. Also, bad news,
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I think he's going to be left-handed.
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  Speaker 3: Tough news.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want him to be left-handed.
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  Speaker 5: Why is that bad news? Because I'm left-handed. I have
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  Speaker 5: two of my five children left-handed.
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  Speaker 6: Everything's just a little bit harder.
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  Speaker 3: Tough day for the Sharps.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 5: Why is it a little bit harder?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I mean, you're right in the binder at school.
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  Speaker 6: The rings are here. It's harder to find. Like, it
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Seems like a skill issue.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Just be ambidextrous. If it feels easy, everybody would do it. Yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: that's true. I mean, guys, I feel like y'all are
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  Speaker 6: making fun of my disability right now.
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  Speaker 2: You called it a disability, not us.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely not. Preaching to the choir, brother. Taylor's a leftist.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love him. This is me.
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  Speaker 5: Razor can play for the Atlanta Falcons right now. They're
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: calling you a leftist. He could. Yeah, that's all they have.
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  Speaker 6: He'd be the most healthy one in their QB room.
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  Speaker 5: I hate smart Brunel, I guess.
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  Speaker 6: You're doing a great job, Tua. We're proud of you.
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  Speaker 6: Keep up the great work. Aw, poor Tua.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Said Tua.
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  Speaker 8: Said Tua.
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  Speaker 6: Said, Tua's burner account.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Wonder who that is.
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  Speaker 3: That's weird.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man, when he threw that pass. Man, I even
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: feel bad making fun of Tua now.
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  Speaker 3: His first play was pretty good. It was a dot.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Second play. I could see what he was trying to do.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: I know that we all, like, give him crap and
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: all that. I get it. The injuries have to have
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: played some sort of factor in this. Because, like, dude,
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: he led the Dolphins to the playoffs. He was never
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: this bad. He had some years early on.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Look, we were talking about the other direction, how good
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel was. Because he had Tua, look what he did. Well,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: maybe it was the other way around. Now that this
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: whole Chargers situation, maybe Tua was good and he made
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel look good.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did have Tyreek when Tyreek was still Tyreek Hill.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: He's about to be Tyreek again.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: Okay, I mean.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Okay. 2022 was the year they went to the playoffs.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Tua had 25 touchdowns, 8 picks. I mean, he's had
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: moments in this league and then it all fell apart.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Sad.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: It all fell apart with, unfortunately, his brain.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Right. Y'all remember in the draft a couple years ago
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: when we got some real strays for saying Malik Nabors
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: was better than Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. People were like, Basically calling us crazy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: That might be the take that we've had that people,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: not LSU fans, but just people that we put out
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: a video and people would get a hold of it
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and they would just comment. Feel pretty good about that
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: one still.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: Texans wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Now, right?
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: They traded second round pick in a late round swap.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: What makes a, it's still a very new relationship, right?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe not very new. It's year three for Marvin. What
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: makes it deteriorate like that to where you just trade
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: him after the fifth week?
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: I think he doesn't show signs of getting better. Michael
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Wilson's a better receiver right now. Trey McBride's the first
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: option on that team.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: See that catch he had?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Yes. And so I would say that, and I don't
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: know this, but I would assume that inside the building,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: that wasn't something that he was very happy about.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: He hasn't come, like, at least the public had shared,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: him coming off as a problem.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: No, and not even a, like. Like a locker room problem.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Which we've seen that with receivers. Like a problem. Like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: I haven't heard that.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: But also, when you're expected to be your top ten pick,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: you're expected to be the guy. And now you're running,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: you're the third receiver in 11 personnel. And you're the run,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you know, you're running decoy routes.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Like, body language could be– like, I don't know.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Like, we're not there, but, like, Kendrick Bourne has more
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: catches than Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Did.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: He played in four games and had five catches for
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: 85 yards. Elijah Higgins, tied in, had three more catches
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: than Marvin Harrison Jr.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Had.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Six-round pick from Stanford from a couple years ago. So–
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but they got a second-round pick.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Now they use a top-ten pick on him, but they
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: got a second-round pick in return.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: I think that's really good value for a guy that
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: hasn't done anything. God bless you, Alondra.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Y'all seen the news that came out yesterday about he
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: uses a special jugs machine at Ohio State. It's called
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: the Seeker. It's like 50K. And, like, you can adjust
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: it to, like, speed and all that. It's like this
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: high-tech jugs machine. He requested the Cardinals to buy one,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: and they told him no. So he had to bring
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: his own. So it's like that relationship– Well, I would
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: have told him to buy it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: You know what can also throw passes to you in
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: different locations at different speeds? Just like a human.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: But they don't. But like him and C.J. Stroud reunited.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: So.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe that's, you know. Because the Texans didn't.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: It's not their most pressing need. Their offensive line is horrid.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: And they already had. Receivers, Nico Collins is a one
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: in this league. They traded for Kayshaun Booty. They got
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Jalen Noel.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: That's so true. I forgot that they just got Kayshaun.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Hank Dale, Hutchinson, even with their injuries, they still got receivers.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know. To give up a second-round pick when
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: you are.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Bad, bad at run blocking, a little shocking.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: David Montgomery is out. They must still have a really
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: high grade on him. obviously. And then just, they, there's
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: some sort of inside information they think they have about
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: how bad the Cardinals are and what they're not doing
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: with him. We can fix some type situation. And maybe
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: they can. Seems like a good enough kid.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: You can never fix him. Can't fix him.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: He's that bad. He was a good college player. I
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: am not saying he wasn't a very, very good college
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: football player. There's going to be questions like if his
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: last name was Smith. Would they have talked as much
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: about him? It's probably unfair, but I've already seen that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: a ton.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Right. And that's for the media to do, right? That's
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: for the media to make too much of a last name.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: It's not for an organization to do. That's actually the
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: one writing the check, right? That's not for them to do.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: So I got a hard time believing that they actually
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: I think in a draft process, it can cloud you
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: But not, to your point, not in a trade. It shouldn't,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: at least. When.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: When the poo hits the fan, and you've got to
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: cut a check and make a decision and turn in
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a card, you're doing it based on your own valuation. Now,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: we see guys get the valuation wrong all the time.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: How many people were picked in front of Patrick Mahomes?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: We can say Malik was better, but they believed. They
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: weren't listening to media talk. They truly believed that he
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: was going to be a difference maker. That's why he
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: made that pick. They were wrong, but they believed it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: They believed it themselves.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll take a break. We'll ask the bench
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  Speaker 4: when we come back to wrap it up here. We'll
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  Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn. Presented
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to some of your questions. We'll
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  Speaker 5: Two years to one year. I mean, more screen time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's volume.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't watched it yet.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not watching that. It's too much Alabama.
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  Speaker 5: If I did close my eyes, I'm like. Like, the
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I remember the 35-110 day that we
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: The 40-40s was probably the most difficult thing.
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  Speaker 3: 40-40s really are, especially when you had to do the workout.
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  Speaker 5: It was two 40s tests. If you got in trouble, automatic, 40-40s.
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  Speaker 3: one has to be a certain percentage of my max speed.
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  Speaker 5: Yep. Or you fail. Hashtag ask the bench.
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  Speaker 4: If Mississippi State plays the walk-on quarterback, is there anything
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  Speaker 4: that LSU should be worried about with this team?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Evan's a receiver. I don't care who's throwing the football.
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  Speaker 5: He is dynamic. And if Fluff plays a running back,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: he's a good player, too. They got some Jimmies and
• 44:46
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• 44:48
  Speaker 6: Fluff Bothwell.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of soft. It's a great name, though.
• 44:53
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  Speaker 3: Watch out for the Fluffer.
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  Speaker 5: He's a good player. They have other good players, just
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  Speaker 5: Camario's their best A.
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  Speaker 6: Couple years ago, he was in South Alabama. Played against him.
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  Speaker 6: LSU did. He was good there, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And we all know how good Jeff Lebby is.
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  Speaker 3: We all know.
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  Speaker 5: We all know it.
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  Speaker 3: We all know it.
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  Speaker 6: Most recognizable coach in the conference, arguably.
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  Speaker 3: Arguably.
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  Speaker 5: For sure. Arguably, yes.
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