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Sovereign Citizens · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Chuck Douglass and The Power Hour on six ten dou
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  Speaker 1: WUTV and my number eight two one nine eight eight
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  Speaker 1: and six to ten double UTV and want to get into
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  Speaker 1: this house? Bill? Also during the breakare I see they're good? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I wish they wouldn't do this. I guess Rob Lowe
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  Speaker 1: is confirming they're talking about a sequel to one of
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  Speaker 1: my all time favorite movies. Say Almost Fire, and I
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  Speaker 1: really wish they wouldn't do that. They're they're all old now,
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  Speaker 1: don't just don't just don't. It was a great movie.
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  Speaker 1: I cherish it. I own three DVD copies of it.
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  Speaker 2: They're making a Breakfast Club Part two.
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  Speaker 1: No they're not, No, they're not.
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  Speaker 2: I made that up?
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  Speaker 1: Thank goodness. What's Speccoli gonna say? Anybody shame it? Didn't
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  Speaker 1: you cream? Yeah? I say, Almost Fire was a tremendous movie.
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  Speaker 1: Just they made it. Then they did did a Big
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  Speaker 1: Chill too, didn't they? Which I have to ask the
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  Speaker 1: question which tells you, you know, how how they shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have done that.
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  Speaker 2: Big Kill?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Big Chill was an excellent movie, right, didn't need
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  Speaker 1: it too saying almost fire excellent movie, doesn't need it too,
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  Speaker 1: especially forty years after the fact. It's no. All right, So,
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  Speaker 1: House Bill four ninety two. Are you familiar with this yet?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: It's an Ohio bill that would expand the penalties for
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  Speaker 1: refusing to identify yourself, apparently specifically during a traffic stop.
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  Speaker 1: It's been passed by the legislature. It's now on the
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  Speaker 1: Governor's desk. Under the bill, drivers and passengers who refuse
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  Speaker 1: to give their name, address, or date of birth to
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  Speaker 1: an officer could be charged with a fourth degree misdemeanor punishable.
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  Speaker 1: Why after thirty days in jail an a two hundred
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  Speaker 1: fifty dollars fine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I feel about this.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: We must be cautious these days. But if you are
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  Speaker 1: doing nothing but sitting in the back seat over the
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  Speaker 1: river and through the woods, trying to get to grandmother's house,
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  Speaker 1: and the driver gets pulled over and the officer says,
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  Speaker 1: and what's your name and address, you've committed no infraction.
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  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I understand law enforcement wants
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  Speaker 1: to know who they're dealing with. But if you just
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  Speaker 1: tell them a name, you could be lying about that?
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  Speaker 1: What if you don't have ID. I don't have my
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  Speaker 1: driver's license with me because I'm not driving. Not sure
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling about this. Supporters of the bill say it
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  Speaker 1: closes a gray area in Ohio log gives officers a
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  Speaker 1: clear way to handle traffic stops when people refuse to
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  Speaker 1: identify them so else. Opponents argue that the bill increases
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  Speaker 1: criminal penalties for nonviolent offenses. If the governor signs the
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  Speaker 1: deal would take effect ninety days after the signature. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, is it common? Am I missing something?
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  Speaker 1: Is it common for people to get pulled over and say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you who I am? I refuse. I know.
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  Speaker 1: We've got those people out there that call themselves sovereign citizens.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they're in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Those people don't count. They're insane.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: They're like amish people. They're like a mystery, like they.
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  Speaker 2: Don't believe that the rules apply to them.
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  Speaker 3: If they say they're a sovereign they did like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not driving, I'm traveling, and since I'm traveling, you can't
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  Speaker 3: stop my freedom of travel. Like it's just really ridiculous stuff.
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  Speaker 1: What's the point of it? Though, I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I think so they can they're not oppressed by the man.
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  Speaker 1: Man, So not identifying yourself or not having license tags
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  Speaker 1: on your car, paying for registration like everybody else who's
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  Speaker 1: using the roads and all that kind of stuff, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's your sovereignty. Huh.
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  Speaker 3: Like they don't recognize police, courts, taxation.
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  Speaker 1: Are they familiar with where we are? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the rules of where we live.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think any of them who would call themselves,
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  Speaker 3: don't think anyone who calls themselves a sovereign citizen.
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  Speaker 2: What was join mensa?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever known any of them? Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: met any of them? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Thankfully not.
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm curious, really, I'm seriously, I'm curious about what
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  Speaker 1: the motivation is for for somebody to take that route
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  Speaker 1: in life. I don't see where it makes much of
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  Speaker 1: a difference. If they're they're coming after you, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to get you, whether you know, have a driver's license
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  Speaker 1: or not, or whether you identify yourself to an officer,
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  Speaker 1: And I just I don't know. I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 1: the the reasoning is behind it. I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 1: it all works out. I've never met anyone. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know some pretty radical people, but I've never met
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  Speaker 1: anyone who says they fall under that that sovereign citizen banner.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure again what what does it accomplish
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  Speaker 1: is what it comes down to. Because I'm a firm believer.
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  Speaker 1: And if you if you're not getting something done when
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  Speaker 1: you're doing something, don't do that. Do something else that
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  Speaker 1: gets something done. And it just it doesn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't grasp it. I'll put it that way. But
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  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the only kind of people I
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  Speaker 1: can't see as a general. Maybe every now and then
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be some wing that goes I'm not telling
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  Speaker 1: you who I am, But I didn't think that was
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  Speaker 1: a big issue of people not just giving you their
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  Speaker 1: driver's license when they get pulled over, or giving you
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  Speaker 1: a name and social Security number if they don't have
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  Speaker 1: a driver's license. Never realized that was a big deal
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  Speaker 1: in the state. Wow two NWUTV and Doug, Doug, do
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  Speaker 1: you know something about the sovereign citizen?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: No, not really, but I do believe this the same
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  Speaker 5: way those people use every sentence written in the laws,
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  Speaker 5: every comma period, whatnot, apostrophy to get what they're trying
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  Speaker 5: to get is the same way our government uses that
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  Speaker 5: to restrict our freedoms. You've got a puddle in your
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  Speaker 5: backyard that holds water, you know, for two days out
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  Speaker 5: of a month, and now you have a swamp land
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  Speaker 5: and you can't build a deck. Or they find every
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  Speaker 5: which way to taxes. You know, they write laws that
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  Speaker 5: you require a lawyer interpret. Yeah, you know. And from
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  Speaker 5: what I understood was any law and that can't be
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  Speaker 5: understood is a bad law. And but they're just utilizing
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  Speaker 5: it in the same way the government does against us.
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  Speaker 5: So that's all I have to say about that, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Doug, Well, I appreciate your thoughts. I still don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it accomplishes. It's like, you know, he's touching me,
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  Speaker 1: Well he's touching me, Well he's touching me, Well he's
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  Speaker 1: touching me. Okay, so now everybody's touched each other. But
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  Speaker 1: what what's the end game is it? Are they trying
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  Speaker 1: for statehood somewhere like a sovereign citizen state where the
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  Speaker 1: federal government and so forth won't bother them. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like if you look on YouTube and just
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  Speaker 3: like YouTube, sovereign citizens, just watch it and you'll be like.
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  Speaker 1: The thing of it is, how much do you believe
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  Speaker 1: on there anymore? So much to everybody's making stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: You watch these videos and you think, my gosh, what
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  Speaker 1: is this all about? And then you find out at
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  Speaker 1: the end, Oh, this was just AI generated or somebody
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  Speaker 1: made this up. This wasn't real. You can't believe any
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  Speaker 1: blasted thing anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 3: But there are a lot of videos of these people
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  Speaker 3: like getting ordered to court and they show up and
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  Speaker 3: they're like, I'm not I don't, I don't have to
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  Speaker 3: be here, just so you know, I'm not under your authority.
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  Speaker 1: But if they feel that way, why are they there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I again, there are none of them join mensa.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know exactly all about them, but
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm not neighbors with any of them, because
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  Speaker 3: they seem a little goofy, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: A little goofy, I see. And I don't know enough
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  Speaker 1: about them to know if they're goofy or not. I
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  Speaker 1: just know I again, if you. If you're not accomplishing
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  Speaker 1: something by whatever it is you do, don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm real easy to understand in that respect.
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't see it. I don't see it
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  Speaker 1: working out for anybody, and I don't really get the
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  Speaker 1: the antagonistic uh mindset. So you know, okay, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe in your authority, but you're there in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom where somebody is going to enforce their authority, so
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  Speaker 1: you must. And they also, isn't the the flags that
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  Speaker 1: have the the tassels on them? Isn't there something about those?
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  Speaker 1: They don't it's not a real flag or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember. It's all it's getting. It gets
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  Speaker 3: too conspiracy theory e for me. Yeah, I just stopped caring.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd almost like to know more, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of scared of who I'd have to talk to
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  Speaker 1: to find out more exactly. You're laughing at everything. I'm
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  Speaker 1: being serious. I would like to know more, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Who do you? Who do you safely ask about something
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  Speaker 1: like that? You're no help. Just go back to your
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  Speaker 1: your legal little hands. Your hands again, I don't hand
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  Speaker 1: lethal weapon hands.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know anything. I don't know anybody you can
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  Speaker 3: contact to learn more about sovereign.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see that. And then we passed this
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  Speaker 1: bill or you know, send it to the governor for signature.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't know this. This was a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: It's a law for what That's what I'm asking.
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  Speaker 2: Frank, You're on six n W E TV and Hi,
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  Speaker 2: hey Chuck.
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  Speaker 6: So I think I don't know any of these people
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  Speaker 6: or all that, but it sounds like it's something to
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  Speaker 6: do with like the enumerated powers that the government are granted, okay,
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  Speaker 6: and anything outside of that they're really not supposed to do,
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 7: And I I don't know how that relates to what
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  Speaker 7: all these people are saying. But if you look up,
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  Speaker 7: look up enumerated powers, uh, and that's all the government's
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  Speaker 7: allowed to do. I mean they're not they're i'll tell
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  Speaker 7: you what color you can dye your kids say or
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  Speaker 7: you know. So I think that's where the basis of
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  Speaker 7: all this is. So if you want to find out more,
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  Speaker 7: look up enumerated powers and it is the same. And
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if that's what this is, because I
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  Speaker 7: don't know what these people are all about. But that
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  Speaker 7: sounds like a starting point for learning.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm familiar with the Enumerated Powers. I mean Article one,
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  Speaker 1: Section eight is my go to. That is what I
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  Speaker 1: think is our shield against Washington, d C. But it
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  Speaker 1: is very rarely, if ever used to any degree or
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  Speaker 1: with any effectiveness. And the language of our founding documents,
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  Speaker 1: as we come up on the Independence Day holiday, is
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  Speaker 1: by today's standards too many times subjective because at the
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  Speaker 1: time that it was they were being composed, people had
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  Speaker 1: common sense, and today they don't. Everybody wants to get
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  Speaker 1: into the minutia, try to pick things apart, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, comma by comma, let by letter, picking a
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  Speaker 1: party in order to make it mean something or sound
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  Speaker 1: like it means something that they wanted to mean.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just just say that. It's not just the United States.
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  Speaker 3: These people are in New Zealand and Austria.
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  Speaker 1: And oh they've got them in other countries too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're they're not case like.
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  Speaker 3: Here's some of the major figures.
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  Speaker 2: Is that dude who drove through the U or the.
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  Speaker 3: The parade in Wisconsin, Jared Fogel, the subway guy, was
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  Speaker 3: one of those people so, yeah, Terry Nichols, remember him,
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  Speaker 3: not Case And.
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  Speaker 2: Though don't remember Terry Nichols, he helped uh oh, what's
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  Speaker 2: his name? The bomber, Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 4: City bomber, Timothy mcvah. Yeah, okay, well not Case again.
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  Speaker 4: I just I don't know why we need the law.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe there's something going on there. I don't know the
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  Speaker 4: sovereign citizen thing, if that's what it's all about. I
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand them either. I'm not putting them down,
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  Speaker 4: not making fun of them. I'm just saying I don't
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  Speaker 4: get it. I don't get it. I'm not I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what the endgame is. But as I said, the
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  Speaker 4: language and those wonderful documents is subjected by today's standards.
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  Speaker 4: It was common sense when they were written, and you
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  Speaker 4: can pick them apart and turn them into whatever salad
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  Speaker 4: you want to turn them into.
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  Speaker 1: Something as simple as life. Liberty in the pursuit of
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  Speaker 1: happiness I can get you ten different definitions from ten
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  Speaker 1: different people on what liberty is. What exactly does the
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  Speaker 1: pursuit of happiness entail? Does it give you the right
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  Speaker 1: to nullify someone else's happiness? Does it make you immune
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  Speaker 1: to things within the law? That stifle your happiness. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows in twenty twenty six, who knows everybody knew in
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  Speaker 1: seventeen seventy five. Give me a pen. I'm gonna write
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  Speaker 1: some stuff down, and it'll all makes sense until like
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  Speaker 1: nineteen forty. Then it's going to go in the dumper.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way we were all all right, this is
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  Speaker 1: just just Monday. By the way, we got plenty more
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  Speaker 1: time to decipher this stuff and to sweat our tushies off.