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FT at Pirates camp: Derek Shelton, Tommy Pham, Bubba Chandler · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I don't not want to be humbled, but I'm a
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  Speaker 1: better hitter than Paul. Wow, I was gonna say, I've
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  Speaker 1: done it at a higher level.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're back. We're back here in Bradenton with
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  Speaker 2: the manager. I still it's still to me like when
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  Speaker 2: I say that about you, because I just remember when
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  Speaker 2: you were like the lowly hitting coach with the Rays
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  Speaker 2: long time ago. Then you been bench coach. So Derek
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  Speaker 2: Shelton is here with those manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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  Speaker 2: What years this for you? You're six? We had this art,
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  Speaker 2: We had a conversation about this. So twenty twenty took over.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty twe I took over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, COVID.
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  Speaker 2: You came in, and you brought COVID.
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  Speaker 4: I brought in and came in and spring training stopped,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah it was great.
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  Speaker 5: It was great. Lead a zoom call. Yeah, Well, is
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  Speaker 5: anyone I want to buy my hitting tool?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? You still have that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you still sell that. What is that
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  Speaker 2: thing called the speed hitter?
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  Speaker 4: I still have it's the thing with the ball, right,
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  Speaker 4: I do have one. I think you gave it to
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  Speaker 4: me for free, you know you did. I guess you
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  Speaker 4: get something for free.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot about that, man.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the what's the feel here in Pirates Camp
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five? You guys got off to a hot
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  Speaker 2: start last year, faded a little bit towards the end.
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  Speaker 2: But what's the vibe here for twenty twenty five?
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  Speaker 4: I'm really good vibe. I mean a lot of energy,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of positivity. I mean obviously built around our
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  Speaker 4: pitching staff, really good pitching staff, and I think that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of what we're leaning into.
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  Speaker 2: How good can it be? How good can your pitching?
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  Speaker 2: I mean Skeens like, helly, can you get this sign
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  Speaker 2: for me? Yeah? I've been looking for him all day? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so I just need him.
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  Speaker 4: He's not easy to I mean, you can find him.
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  Speaker 4: You can find him him, man, But I haven't seen
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  Speaker 4: other than over there watching bullpens.
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  Speaker 6: I had.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the locker room, didn't see him. So
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  Speaker 2: it's fine. But Skeen's Keller Jones Chandler if he's there,
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  Speaker 2: Oh vi aedo when he comes back?
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  Speaker 4: Right, Bato heeny. We just signed me right the Bailey Falter.
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  Speaker 4: So I you know, I think we're building a really
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  Speaker 4: deep pitching group. We have Thomas Harrington. You know, also
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  Speaker 4: we have Sola meadows, So I think you know, as
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  Speaker 4: you guys know from from the seats used to sit in,
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  Speaker 4: that's the most important position in the field.
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  Speaker 2: And we're trying to build as much depth there as
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  Speaker 2: possible about Chandler.
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  Speaker 5: Chandler too, yet yeah, like you sit there, are you
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  Speaker 5: told to not watch his outings because you hear about
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  Speaker 5: these like prospects and like you see the youth and
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  Speaker 5: you're like, whoa, he's got great stuff, and they're like,
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  Speaker 5: can you bring him up to No.
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  Speaker 4: I think you get excited about it. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: had Jones last year, you know, the in spring training
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  Speaker 4: that was so good. Chandler we saw for the first
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  Speaker 4: time the other day in a major league spring training game.
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  Speaker 2: It's good.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we've done our pitching group has done a
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  Speaker 4: really good job of developing young arms. And you're not
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  Speaker 4: going to just need five. You know, you never go
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  Speaker 4: through a season with five, and and we want to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that we have as a you know, a deeper.
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  Speaker 2: Group as possible. What about bullpen wise?
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  Speaker 4: Bullpen wise, I mean, you know, Ben ar Holderman, depending,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we signed Ferguson. We're stretching him out at
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  Speaker 4: the beginning, we're signing we signed Macjinsky, We're stretching him out,
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  Speaker 4: and then we can kind of go off that Dennis
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  Speaker 4: Santana last year when we acquired him, I mean, you
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  Speaker 4: take away one outing where you give up four runs.
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  Speaker 4: He ran out a sub two era and our group
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  Speaker 4: did a really good job. I think we're trying to
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  Speaker 4: build as much depth as possible, but the back end
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  Speaker 4: of it, we added Mesa. We have a left hander,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Brookie. If we can keep him healthy when
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  Speaker 4: you know left on left, it's been really good. So
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  Speaker 4: it's probably a deeper group than we've had in the
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  Speaker 4: past couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Is bed Nor the closer? I think I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what people want to know, right because he was the closer,
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  Speaker 2: it was an All Star, had some struggles last year
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  Speaker 2: Chapman was here, So now is he back to that?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we were ready to say that, but
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  Speaker 4: I think we feel very good with the fact that
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  Speaker 4: we have a guy that was a two time All
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  Speaker 4: Star closer, and you know, I had a blip last
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  Speaker 4: year coming out of spring training. He had an abbreviated
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  Speaker 4: spring training started off struggled and then was really good.
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, eighteen saves at one point, and
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  Speaker 4: then struggled a little bit with his command. I think
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  Speaker 4: as we get through spring training, we'll have a better
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  Speaker 4: idea where the command's at.
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  Speaker 2: But fully expect him to bounce back.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you don't sit in that spot
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  Speaker 4: and do the ninth inning for two years at the
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  Speaker 4: level that he did without being really talented.
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  Speaker 2: Still in there, Yes, it's in there.
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  Speaker 5: Last year you talked to you said to us, you
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  Speaker 5: were like, you know, we were you guys were hot,
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  Speaker 5: similar to the season before, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Said, ah, we got you know, we got some injuries.
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  Speaker 5: How do you look back at last year and the
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  Speaker 5: year before, how you guys started and say, we have
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  Speaker 5: to do this this year, we have to do that.
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  Speaker 5: We got to stay away from this, Like, how were
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  Speaker 5: you set up to not allow that to hopefully happen.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great point.
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  Speaker 4: I think two years ago, you know, we finished really
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  Speaker 4: strong and played good the last two months. Last year,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we played well. Take away and it's a
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  Speaker 4: good chunk. Take away sixteen games starting at the end
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  Speaker 4: of July through the middle of August, and we ran
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  Speaker 4: into and this is no excuse, but we ran into Arizona,
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  Speaker 4: San Diego La, San Diego LA, and San Diego had
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  Speaker 4: just made those trades at the deadline, and in that
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  Speaker 4: stretch of games, I think we lost eleven eleven in
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  Speaker 4: a row, so stay away from that. And we lost
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  Speaker 4: seven one run games or six one run games. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the thing we I think, to AJ's point, you
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  Speaker 4: have to solidify a bullpen in those situations. We had
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  Speaker 4: leads and I think four of those games and ended
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  Speaker 4: up losing them. We have to make sure that our
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  Speaker 4: death maintains that. You look at that stretch, we're four
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  Speaker 4: games over, we go five and five in that stretch.
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  Speaker 4: That completely changes the dynamic of the last month and
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  Speaker 4: a half.
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  Speaker 2: Agree, all right? So I got to ask this because
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  Speaker 2: we're talking pitching with you, and I should you by
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  Speaker 2: Paul skeins card, is he on any load management this year?
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  Speaker 2: Because last year I was proud of y'all. Y'all let
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  Speaker 2: him go and it was great. I mean, the year
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  Speaker 2: he ended up having was a historic type of run.
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  Speaker 2: Can he do that for thirty starts this year?
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  Speaker 4: I think our hope is yes. And I think one
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  Speaker 4: of the things that we were really adamant about as
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  Speaker 4: a group and Ben and I especially was like he
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  Speaker 4: made that last start in New York. I mean it
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  Speaker 4: was two innings. You can say what you want, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we kept him in two innings. I felt really strongly
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  Speaker 4: like he needed to take that mound and feel what
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  Speaker 4: that last prepare for that last start because guys don't
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  Speaker 4: know what the length of the season is. To answer
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  Speaker 4: that question, I'm going to say yes because the way
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  Speaker 4: he's built, the way he prepares. Until you go through
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  Speaker 4: a thirty start season or thirty two start season, you
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  Speaker 4: don't know. But I think he is built to to pitch.
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  Speaker 5: What is the catching situation looking like because of the
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  Speaker 5: season that Joey had.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Joey's gonna get the bulk. I mean he's
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  Speaker 4: a guy that's going to start, you know, pending health
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  Speaker 4: and you never want to get that far ahead, but
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  Speaker 4: he deserves to start with the situation he had. And
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  Speaker 4: I think Joey's a testament of like, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: guy that was in a different place, maybe needed to
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  Speaker 4: change the scenery, had made an adjustment in his swing.
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  Speaker 4: And sometimes that prospect hype comes and it doesn't comes
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  Speaker 4: as fast as everybody else in the in the baseball
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  Speaker 4: world once but last year it's stuck. It was good,
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  Speaker 4: it was consistent. And then for that second spot, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we have three guys. We have the two young kids
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  Speaker 4: in terms of Indy coming off the injury, and Henry
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  Speaker 4: very much in a similar situation to Joey, where everybody expected, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you're one one, You're gonna jump on the scene. It's
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  Speaker 4: challenging to do. And then we have Jason Delay, who
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  Speaker 4: can really catch and has done a good job for us.
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  Speaker 4: That spot will probably be one of the highly contested
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  Speaker 4: spots for us going up to the end of spring training,
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  Speaker 4: but leading into the season, Joey's the main guy.
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  Speaker 5: What does that look like? What is a spring training
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  Speaker 5: I know what it looks like is a backup catch.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about backup catcher, but just competition in general
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  Speaker 5: in spring because he talks about it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, competition in spring training for me, and you guys
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  Speaker 4: would know this better than I do, having been in
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  Speaker 4: that role. It's the hardest position to get at bats
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  Speaker 4: for because you know early in camp you don't want
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  Speaker 4: to catch every day. You want to try to get
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  Speaker 4: your legs underneath you. But when you're trying to get
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  Speaker 4: four guys at bats, it becomes challenging, it becomes you know,
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  Speaker 4: people look into like, you know, Henry started the first
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  Speaker 4: game in Indy, caught the second. Don't look into that
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  Speaker 4: because I needed both of them to catch five innings
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  Speaker 4: and four innings. So the fact that you have to
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  Speaker 4: catch the back after the game right now, it's about
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  Speaker 4: getting reps. It's about you know, seeing seeing pitchers throw.
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  Speaker 4: It's about getting your legs underneath you. And it's one
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  Speaker 4: of those challenging things because catchers are always the one
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  Speaker 4: that basically gets screwed on at bats in terms of
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  Speaker 4: the volume. So we have to try to figure out
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  Speaker 4: as many way to get at bats, but they also
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  Speaker 4: need to catch, you know, the main guys in your
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  Speaker 4: pitching staff.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense, So I mean, we talked with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: and your pitching staff has got a chance to be
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  Speaker 2: special this year. How are you gonna score runs? I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the I mean, you're listen, you're an old
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  Speaker 2: hitting guy, I know, with an old hitting commercial. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you and Tom Amansky and Fred mcgrifford trying to sell
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  Speaker 2: a better hats.
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  Speaker 4: I had a better hash better hat than than Freddie
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  Speaker 4: had on you know, the back to back.
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  Speaker 2: To back Yeah, a National champions Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I will tell you that I used to get Freddy
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  Speaker 4: a ton of static about it, and then the commercial
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  Speaker 4: came out and he abused.
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  Speaker 2: Me from about three years, which I appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're going to have to figure out our
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  Speaker 4: offensive identity. That's the biggest thing. I mean, we have
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  Speaker 4: Brian Reynolds who is fifth in the National League and hits.
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  Speaker 4: We need crews to take that step forward twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: last year. Keeping him on the field. A healthy ke
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  Speaker 4: Brian Hayes is huge for us. And I know you
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  Speaker 4: guys have only been here for a day, but that's
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  Speaker 4: probably the most encouraging sign. His back is in the
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  Speaker 4: best spot it's been in in three or four years.
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  Speaker 4: And offensively he's made a swing adjustment. That's that's something
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  Speaker 4: that you know needs to hold up. Nick Gonzalaz took
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  Speaker 4: a step forward last year. And then how however, we
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  Speaker 4: have to get creative in terms of how we score runs.
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  Speaker 4: But it's gonna be probably doing things on the margins.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to have to make sure we execute.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. What about you've run in, you run
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  Speaker 2: in Tommy fam what's he like? I played with Tommy
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  Speaker 2: when he first came up, so I've known Tommy for
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  Speaker 2: ten plus years. But what's he like when you see
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  Speaker 2: him every day in their grinding and bats? What's he
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  Speaker 2: mean to this team intensity? I think it's one of
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  Speaker 2: the things.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we brought Adam Fraser back, who you know,
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  Speaker 4: we knew here, he knew us.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: We brought him back into a leadership role. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's more of a utility guy now, uh, with where
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  Speaker 4: he's at in his career. But I think one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that we identified for Tommy, and honestly, we've
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  Speaker 4: tried to we've tried to talk get Tommy for the
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  Speaker 4: last couple of years because adding a guy like that
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  Speaker 4: into your clubhouse and you played with him, all Tommy
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  Speaker 4: wants to do is win. Everything he thinks about on
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  Speaker 4: a daily basis is how we're going to win today.
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  Speaker 4: And when you have young players and you have a
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  Speaker 4: veteran guy. Perfect example, yesterday, Paul Skeen throws a live
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  Speaker 4: VP because of the fact that that you know, we
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  Speaker 4: had the weather, We have bullpens that are going on
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  Speaker 4: in the cage.
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  Speaker 2: The first guy that goes in the cage. The track
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  Speaker 2: is Tommy fam.
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  Speaker 4: When you see a guy that played that long has
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  Speaker 4: that intensity and your young player, you're like, damn, all right,
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  Speaker 4: this guy's doing that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go in there and do that.
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  Speaker 4: That leadership by example is something that we felt was
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  Speaker 4: really important add to our clubhouse.
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  Speaker 5: What about all the coaches I come to these springs,
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  Speaker 5: This is second camp we've been to. Y'all have so
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  Speaker 5: many coaches. The Orioles have so many coaches.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like.
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  Speaker 5: That waters down for the players as far as like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: this dude's talking to me?
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  Speaker 2: What a shouting? Does that guy talking for the skipper?
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  Speaker 3: For me?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Do you feel like there's too many people around and
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  Speaker 5: it kind of muddles some of these younger guys I.
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  Speaker 4: Think you have. It's very different. I mean even from
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  Speaker 4: you know, AJ likes to highlight how old I am.
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  Speaker 4: But even when I got I mean when I got
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  Speaker 4: to the big leagues of hitting coach, we had no assystem.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there was there was no Now you have.
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  Speaker 2: Now you have three.
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  Speaker 4: So I think the one thing, especially in the hitting
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  Speaker 4: space is you know, today's players are needy. They they
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  Speaker 4: like to hit, They need everything, so having hitting coaches
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  Speaker 4: in that space.
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  Speaker 2: I really feel we made a really.
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  Speaker 4: Good hire in Matt Haigue running in our our hitting
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  Speaker 4: situations in a good spot, it's all about the lead
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  Speaker 4: guy in that spot. If the lead guy in that
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  Speaker 4: spot communicates and is able to delegate to his group,
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  Speaker 4: then the message stays consistent and then on. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when you bring in your minor league group, you have
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  Speaker 4: to make sure you're on the same page. And we're
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  Speaker 4: fortunate Donnie Kelly's our bench coach. He does a really
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  Speaker 4: good job every morning of of getting guys on the
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  Speaker 4: same page, because you can get muddled and the message
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  Speaker 4: can be lost, and you you have to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that it's.
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  Speaker 2: About the player and the player are getting the right message.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the other thing that that we all
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  Speaker 4: know is you guys had coaches that you know, you
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  Speaker 4: didn't relate to. You know, I mean a real good
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  Speaker 4: friend of ours, I mean Greg Walker, who I think
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  Speaker 4: is one of the best hitting coaches for a long
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  Speaker 4: time in the big leagues. I mean, he will tell
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  Speaker 4: you sometimes you don't relate to guys. Sometimes guys didn't
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  Speaker 4: relate to me as a hitting coach. So when you
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  Speaker 4: have a different group of guys. Players are going to
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  Speaker 4: relate different. You have to make sure that you have
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  Speaker 4: different personalities for players to be able to relate. Not
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  Speaker 4: everybody likes the ball and the stick.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it just doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody likes that way.
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  Speaker 4: It's called the hits crack speed hitter. That's right, all right,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta go back to him. He said, you mentioned
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  Speaker 4: Hayes's back.
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  Speaker 2: How bad was it? Because yeah, I mean, obviously the
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  Speaker 2: Pirates aren't top of my follow list of teams, right right,
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  Speaker 2: But how bad was it? I know he's missed some
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  Speaker 2: time with the last few years, but how much has
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  Speaker 2: that affected him over.
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  Speaker 4: His It's affected him a ton. I think you go
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: back to twenty twenty three. You know, you look at June,
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: you look at August, in September really good productive bat.
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: He missed all of July because of a back injury,
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: and then last year only being on the field for
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: ninety four games. That affects us. I mean we're talking
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: about one of the premier defenders in the game. I
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: mean he changes the game defensively just in terms of
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: how he reacts and handles third base, and when we've
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: seen over the last couple of years, when he's healthy,
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: he's a productive offensive player. Anytime you know, and I'm
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: not telling you guys anything you don't know, but anytime
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: you're doing a sport, we have to rotator, you have
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: to tork. The back is in the center of that,
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: and when you can't do that to full strength, it
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: affects a lot of things that go on, whether it's
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: the pitches you swing at, the pitches you don't swing at,
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: just how you go about your day.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: He guys made the move for Spencer Horwitz. Do you
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: have any timeline for him or like, is it kind
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: of frustrating when you're like, Okay, we made this move
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: and he has a chronic wrist injury.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean frustrating with the fact that because
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: he's a guy that we planned on getting a lot
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: of it bad, especially versus right hand and pitching at
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: first base right now, No timeline. It looks every day
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: watching him in the training room, seeing the smile on
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: his face. He's back taking down balls now, little things
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: like that are working towards it. It's just it's one
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: of those things because it has been a chronic issue,
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: you don't want to rush it. We don't need to
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: get him back on the field, and he's back on
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: the field because we rushed him and it's two weeks
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: and then we deal with it again. So I think
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: listening to him, listening to how he reacts, and watching
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: his volume of work is going to be the most
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: important thing because once he gets back, we need him
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: to stay on the field.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: We're talking about all these young guys, what about the
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: old guy. Did you have Andrew mccutch in a wheelchair
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: when he came in. Did you get him a walker
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to close to walk?
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Well no handicaps spot up here. He definitely gets the closest.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: When you got fifteen plus years, you park wherever you want,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: as close as possible. I think the one thing with
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: Kutch is the fact that consistency of that bats is
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: something we talked about. Tommy Cutch still controls his own
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: in an elite level as well as you know, just
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: about anybody I've ever been around. And then just having
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: a guy back that's been in Pittsburgh and it's important.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's been in Pittsburgh on the teams that
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: were the last playoff teams, and it's important for a
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: young guys to be able to feel that.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I agree yeah. I mean, but he's got to retire
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: at some point. Like we were giving him grief, We're
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: like cutch Man, like it's time, bro, Like it's gonna
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: bee fifty years, it's gonna have a beard like you,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: You're still gonna be You're still gonna be willing him
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: out there to DH.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you what if he controls his own
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: the way he is, I think he's still gonna continue
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: to be a really productive.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Player, agreed.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Like we talk about overexposure, you talk about a guy
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: that controls his own like that your eye never ages.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Obviously your eyes get worse, but we aj knows that.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: But is there a fear of overexposure for a guy
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: like Cutch or you? Like, dude, if you can give
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: us six hundred at bats, give us all six hundred
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: that bats.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I think it's just a matter how the body hold up.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is, you know, thirty eight, thirty nine
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: years old. It's it's gonna be conversations of management. I
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: think the way I look at it with Cutch and
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Cutch and I have talked about in terms of conversations,
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: is we need him to be the best version of
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Andrew McCutchen.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Every day.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: So if that's a day off a week, two days
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: off a week, however it is so he's on the field,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: that's what that's what we need. That's what we need
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: to get to get from him. Do you tell him
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: that we? Yeah, we talk about it. It's it's constant
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: communications about you know, how your body feels, what your
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: body's like. And as we get in the season, there's
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: gonna be stretches that are good days, there's gonna be
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: stretches that are bad days. It's just all about making
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: sure that we have the conversation about how he feels.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Love it. That's the touching.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you now, thanks Sheldy, Thanks for having me on
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: my speed hitters worn out if you need to know it?
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Are you still taking hacks? Of course, why wouldn't I.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got any pictures I need if I'm
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: taking the bad off schemes. I ain't scared, not scared.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: He definitely gets you out there. Oh come on, now
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you're gonna swing.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: We know your bat speed's not ninety spinker that it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: ninety six.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: That's right. That's perfect for me.
• 17:03
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• 17:04
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• 17:06
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• 17:08
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• 17:10
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• 17:13
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• 17:14
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• 17:17
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• 17:20
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• 17:28
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• 17:32
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• 18:03
  Speaker 2: We got we got a guy here, X teammate the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: month X Teammate, do you play with crowds. Come on, man,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you played everybody he's.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Playing were crowds.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: That was his last good year.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: I got it right, Hey, man, I think by the
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: end of this, give me two years, I might have everybody.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Man, the whole league.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You might have the whole league.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Three years, I might I might pass ej.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Hey, Tommy fam is here with us, uh here in
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh camp. What's it like? What's it like? Another team?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Another spring training? How many?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: This is? What?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: This would be?
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: Ten?
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: T just checking them all off? Man, you know what's
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: this three? Or this is seven in the last three years.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: You know, I blame our cd A, but hey, just
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: a player.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Just keep you going on. Let me fix your People
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: want to hear your that sweet voice. You know, people
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: want to hear what you have to say. So you
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: say the CBA he's fixing You mean for veteran guys, right,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: because that was always a thing like the veteran guys
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like yourself that can bring a lot to a team
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: as far as at bad preparation, approach, work ethic, things
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: like that kind of get squeezed out because they're like, oh,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: we can bind a rookie that can do this, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: but it's not the same thing, right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 9: I think, you know, I can't talk too much about it,
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: you know, per our rules, but I do feel like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: you know, the free agency ain't really like free agency
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: no more. The trade deadline is really free agency. You know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: the middle tier players like myself. Now, unless I go
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: out there and put up some numbers like I used to,
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: the middle tier is is really the free agent market
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: around July.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Makes sense? I mean Brandon Belt two years ago played
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: for the Blue Jays.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a great year. Man, you look at
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: his numbers.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: If you say, yeah, you know, I want to come
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: into Pittsburgh, I want to have a OPS plus, you'd
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: be like, I'm looking for a multi year deal the
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: next year.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Brandon Bell hasn't been back in the game since.
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's kind of you know, the market is what
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: it is. You know, I had to face the reality
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: of after twenty three. You know what I finished making
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: with my incentives eight mil, and I had a better
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: year than you know, the market for me was was
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: four mil, four or five mils. So I had a
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: hard time understanding that. But it's really what they want
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: to pay you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about something a little more a little more positive.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You got to go back to Saint Louis last year.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: What was that like? What was that like? When you
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: walk back into Bush Stadium and the fans, I mean
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: they gave you a standing ovation that like, what was
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that like?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: That was really cool.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: That's that's probably one of the the best moments of
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: my career so far. You know, going back to the
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: LIU where it all started. You know, they they brought
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: me up, taught me the game, taught me how to
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: play the right way. Going back, walking into the locker room,
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: being embraced by you know, everybody there had me in
• 21:05
  Speaker 9: the minor leagues, in the big league, so it's it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: it was like a welcome home party. Then you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: you see car Lynn, you know, my old old teammates,
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: and coming up late in the game in that big moment,
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: pinch hit at bat, the the fans give you a
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: standing ovation, and you know you're feeling good, you got
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: the butterflies all in you and and just to top
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: it off with with the hit was even better.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: It's something that I'll always embrace.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: We're talking they're talking about rebooting, rebuilding over in Saint Louis.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: The gap of time that you had from when you
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: came up till last year, the little bit time that
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: you spent there, could you see a difference in the
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: sense of like a certain like, ah, you know, they
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: don't do this anymore, they don't do that anymore.
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: It was different when when I came up. You know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: AJ was there when I came up fourteen, We showed
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: up at twelve o'clock. My cage work was done by
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: one point thirty as a rookie.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: As a rookie, I had to come with you because
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I wasn't playing either.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: So yeah, then you know, then then I was I
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: was out of the weight room and training room by
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: three so from three to.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: To BP time.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Then after BEATP time, it was really just me staying
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: out of the way of the beds.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But it taught me discipline.
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: You know, I was very disciplined in the in the
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: way that I showed up every day.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I made sure all my work was done.
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: I checked off every box and then then in the downtime, I.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Just watched video and watched how guys prepared. So it
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: was different.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: You know, back then we were doing all the video,
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: which I actually felt comfortable of doing because you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Know, you as a as a player, you're gonna you're
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: gonna always trust your work.
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: So when I'm doing video and doing defensive positioning on
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: on from what I see on video and going out
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: there and applying it to the game versus now, you
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: know you don't have to do that. You're you're giving
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: a card. So but then it's you know, you're putting
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: the trust of someone else in your hands. That's the
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: only downside to it. What was different just kind of
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: how the younger guys moved compared to when I was there.
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: I moved a lot different. I was way more respectful
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: of the veterans. It's just this kind of way. It's
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: just where the game is now.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Interested So you're hearing Pirates camp, you're the veteran. Now
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you can cut. You're like the guys.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Man, I got ten.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So what's it like? What what is it? Do you
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: go to guys and say, hey, listen, this is it bat?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Do you reach out to guys? You wait for guys
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to come to you and what can you bring to
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: this Pirates offense? Because last year, you know, low LBP,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: not a lot of run score, So what's your approach
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to these guys? They wait for them to come to you.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: That's something that we've we've talked about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Hold on, you could be intimidating now people know, people
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: know who you are, right, It's not like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: We got a we got a whole coaching staff that
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: that trans juditsu in the morning. So you know, they're
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: they're trying to get me in at five thirty. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: that's a little bit too early for me. But guys
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: have been coming to me. I've been also telling guys
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: like the importance of of the game just I don't
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: think people understand the average service time is is getting
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: way down. You know, when I broke in in fourteen,
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: the average service time was five and a half years,
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: and then around our last CBA it was three and
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: a half. As of last year it dipped under three.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: So guys aren't even getting three years anymore. In the
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: game getting you're getting rushed up, you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Getting in and out, and you know, I I.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: Just want to try to explain to guys, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: how to get longevity. You know, certain things like the
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: value of a walk, making sure that all aspects of
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: your game is what we what the game will consider
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: above average. You know, defensively, are you checking off boxes?
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: You know, are you working on your defense, Are you
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: working on your base running? Are you working on your
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: swing every day? You know, every aspect of the game
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: that you could be better at to help the team win.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: But there's offensively, we we've talked about the value of
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: a of a of a good at bad. You know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: we tend to look at really seven things, getting a hit,
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: hitting the ball over ninety five, getting a walk, a
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: hit by pitch, moving a runner over, you know, sack sackfly,
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: You know, are you producing those outcomes? Are you producing
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: those outcomes to you know, to help the team. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: there's a lot of stuff we talk about, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: and and also you know, if you're doing those things,
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: you know, you're usually gonna be a pretty solid player
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: to get longevity in the game.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: How long until you do this in the game? I mean,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: are you gonna be the first of the pirates tried
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: out the old abs?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yet?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna be the first one to give the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: old helmet?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Tab? I might? You know, I'm still adjusting to the abs.
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: Honestly, what I'm learning is their zone is a little
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: bit lower than what I anticipated. And the top of
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: my zone is is not the top of their zone.
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: So there's an adjustment period for me that I'm that
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: I have to familiarize myself with. Of course, the more
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: I see this, the better I'm the sharper I'm gonna
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: get because I'm a guy that, generally speaking, is one
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: of the lowest chase guys in the league. So I
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: will get better at it long as I just you know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: keep practicing, keep working at it. But I can imagine
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: it will probably come into the league really real soon.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: I've heard rumors about it as far as money to
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: be made within it, as far as batting sponsorship.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: It's coming. It's coming, to let you guys know. How soon.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: I don't know, but it's coming because there's money to
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: be made in the ABS system.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Believe it or not.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Practice in spring training. Yeah, I mean, you got ten
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: plus years, you know, what's what's Derek Shung is saying, No,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean we don't. We got one of the best
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: guys in the game. We don't want you challenge and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: I feel like you got to pick your right spots,
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: you know, because you only have two. I would be
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: when it comes. I would love for every player to
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: have won a game. It shouldn't be two it should
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: be every player should get one. You know, it looks
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: like it works really quick, So why not give every
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: guy his his challenge. If you miss it, lost it,
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: if you if you get it, you still have it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: I'm in favor of that. But right now with two,
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: you gotta be real. You gotta be real kind of
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: technical with when you pick and choose it, because a
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: big situation of the game, you know, and if if
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: you already used them previously and you got runners on
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: let's say second and third, and you know you got
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: a a two to two county, you just get wrung
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: up on a bad call, you're gonna need that challenge.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to be smart when you choose it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: For sure, we got you got some time, You got
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: some time to practice it. You see what was going
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: on in Boston with.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Bragman coming over.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Endeavor's the dude that's got you know, one hundred more
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: years left on his contract, yeah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And like two hundred more million one One, what do
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you think about that situation?
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: And two?
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: How would you have gone about it or how would
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: you have you know, told those guys to go about it?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: I get it from both sides.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: You know, to be honest with you guys, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: Reregman is one of the best defense third basement in
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: the game.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: But you know, also Devers has been through, been with
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: that organization from day one, and he's put in he's
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: put in his time there.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: If anything, I would be happy as an organization with
• 29:16
  Speaker 9: Devers saying it's it's my job because now you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: you got to go back out there and back it up.
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: You know, if if you're if he goes out there
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: and he you know, he shows he's an average field
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: fielder at bet or at worse and and and better,
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: then hey, you got a guy that that that's motivated
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: now that's gonna go out there and put in the
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: extra work to to prove himself and help the team.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: So I get it from both fans. Man, you gotta
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: look at it from both spectrums. But then again, you
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: know Bregman coming in, he's the guy. It's a tough
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: situation that I really wantn't I I wouldn't want to
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: be a part of.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: If anything, I feel like, you know, the Red Sox
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: should have talked to Debris before they signed him.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that's just a little bit, all right
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: before we let you go. I know you got stuff,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: get work to get done, and you can tell me
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: how to talk about it. But you showed me something.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And if you won't want to talk about it, I
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: get it. But you showed me something when I talked
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to you, and it's something that I said was one
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of the coolest things I'd ever seen. Yeah, so people
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that don't know out there. He has an eye thing
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and my son has the same eye thing, and Tommy
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and I talked about it and my son he helped
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: me get my son through it. And then I said
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to him, He said, well, what does your son to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: do want to do? And I said, I think he
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: wants to be an optometrist because of what they went through.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And then what did you show me on your phone?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: And I was like, that might be I don't want
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to talk about, but you gotta people need to know
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: this because it's one of the coolest things I've.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Ever seen, a little certificate of for optometry. You know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: In this process of mind and playing baseball with Carrotacona's
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: I've I've had to educate myself on the condition to
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: help myself help doctors in the process, because as you
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: get older, your eyes kind of lose its ability to accommodate.
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: That that happens with everybody. So you know, when you're
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: a little kid, you can literally read something this close,
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: and as you get older, you're like, oh, I need
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: reading glasses because you lose the ability to accommodate. So
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: I've had to educate myself on everything on the field
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: of optometry to help myself play better. And in this process.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of figuring out, like, all right, do I
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: want to help Do I want to get in the
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: ifield after I'm done playing to help other athletes, or
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: or you know, do I want to stay in the game.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm trying to figure myself.
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: Out, but ideally I would love to play, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: four more years.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I work for it, work hard for it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: I do understand you got to go out there and produce,
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: So I'm working on that as well.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So we have to call you doctor fam from now on.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: I feel like anybody that made it to the big
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: league should be called doctor fan because we doctor I mean,
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, not doctor fan, doctor whatever, because we doctored
• 32:11
  Speaker 9: in baseball.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got a certificate for it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: No, but man, he's been taking classes.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: That's like one of the time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So I mean in his downtime taking taking classes to learn.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty awesome, man. All I fellas, I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: gotta go alight. All right, We're back here at Pirates
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: cam in Brandon, Florida with Bubba Chandler Pirates Super Prospect.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, we just had the oldest guy in the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: world here, Andrew mccutchey. Now he got the youngest one
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: of the younger players here and we had a discussion.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: He's from Athens, Georgia. Everyone out of there knows what
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I feel about Athens and Georgia, so I'm sorry that
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you know you're from there. It's cool town, but you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: not my favorite place on earth Craft. But what's spring
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: been like for you? He just told what did you
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: just tell us? And you're like, wow, this is different.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got any pitch every three days, which is yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily used to, but not complaining about it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So why would they have you pitching every three days?
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe trying to give me some looks.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I guess that is a good thing.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a good problem because maybe they think
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: you dominated in your short stint in trile A, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: they're like, we know what good pitching is.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Look at our starting rotation.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: We see a spot for you.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, not trying to think anything
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: like that, but yeah we do. There's one thing that
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: we we have and that is freaking that's pitching.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: We we do it the right way over here. And uh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you know, from the big leagues to lowest level of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the minor leagues. You know, we got guys every everywhere.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So it's really fun to watch.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It looks like Skins a little bit.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie it, like maybe it's the poorly
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: defined mustache.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: I mean I get that a lot.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: But I mean you do have the hair. I mean
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you do have I mean in the face.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It's been a couple of times traveling this offseason at
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the airports, people were like, Paul Skins.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Like, no, no, I'm not.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You should just say wish I said it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: So we came, me and my girlfriend went to visit
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Paul and live in Baton Rouge, and we were coming
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: back when we flew into Atlanta, had my glove with
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: me and some some people walked up to us didn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: ask anything like.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Hey are you Paul?
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Are you Livy?
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: They're like, oh my god, can we get a picture?
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Please?
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Please please?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And we're like yeah sure, and they're like people walking
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: away like no way, we just met in Paul and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Livy And I'm.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Like, ah, do you ever just disappointed?
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: No, but they would be disappointed.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But now do you think they went home and showed
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: their friends and their friend was like that's.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Not no, no, that's not them.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: No way is bigger than you are.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's what I don't give.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It's like people always ask me like how is he
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, a great guy, and they're like, hey,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: y'all are pretty similar. I'm like fifty pounds and three inches.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It's it's a big difference. But yeah, well that's okay. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll still go you're only what twenty two?
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know he's twenty two as well, but maybe
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: he's still growing.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Grow.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah he's done growing and you have him, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: the facial hero will fill in.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're getting there, we're getting there. We're trying.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: What does it feel like to be in camp knowing
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you have a shot to make the team?
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Because Jones was sitting in this chair last year, didn't
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: know and you saw he made the team.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah again, like you know, try not to think about
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: this stuff, but it's always on your mind. Yeah, you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a blessing. You part's a great organization,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the team that drafted me. And you know, I would
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: love to get to the big leagues as quick as
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I could. And yeah, you know, I'm excited for hopefully
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: when that time comes.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: But yeah, you know I think about it, but I
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: try not to.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: What if they said to you, do they say, like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: if you do make the two, let's there obviously is
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: everything goes right you make the team? Yeah, they want
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: you to be a starter because pitching every third day
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: it doesn't put you in line to pitch every fifth
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: day in the season. They want you to be a
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: bulk reliever. What what's their role that they haven't talked
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to you about it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: They haven't really said much. It's more of, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: come out here and compete. And yeah, you know, if
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I'm playing the rest of the campus to pitch on
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: three days rest, you know, I don't mind it at all. Like,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you know, arm feels great, you know, put on some
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: good weight of this offseason and don't really mind it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: So I love it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: By the way, producer Lady just sent a I don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: know if you can see this, yeah a picture.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I mean listen. I could see why somebody would come
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: up to.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Explain it happens next Halloween you dress up as boss Keys,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: where's Jersey walk.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Around the airport?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I will.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be funny.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Well, all right, so.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Brading Tin Bigley camp chance to make the team if
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: you do make it again, I love talking to him.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: If you yeah, mom, dad, everyone be there. Who's the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: first person if Derek Sheldon calls you in the office
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: is well, but you made the team. Who's the first
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: person you're calling.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: From? My dad?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Call my dad and there be tears.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: There would be a lot of tears, power from.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Him, probably more from me. Him would be like, damn,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: finally you know it's been all this.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Long or a hard.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Rude twenty two made it finally?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: No, just all from all the years of uh, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: travel ball and stuff like you know, finally paid off here.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like you'd probably be a little relief for him, like,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like I put a lot in and my
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: kid put a lot into it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: You know, he finally accomplished what he wanted to accomplish.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd probably call one of my buddies and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: just be like, hey, I'm here, sorry about it, you know, yeah.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: It take me so long dead Sorry, it didn't happen
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: when I was twenty yeah, yeah, now twenty two.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: But the conversations like in the uphouse.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: You know, just a lot of there's a lot of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: little things that you know, young guys like me and
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you know, guys, this is my second big weak camp,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of things that are
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes that you know, rookies need to know
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and young guys need to know. And you know, guys
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like Mitch even Paul, you know, do a really good
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: job on the pitching side, you know, letting me Thomas
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Harrington is throwing today, Anthony sold Medo, like just our
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: young pictures like hey, this is is how it's supposed
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to go. This south's supposed to be ran and they
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: do a great job.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So you miss hitting.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just had this conversation at lunch.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of you know, every time I'm here
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: brings back sweet memories of striking out a lot, but yeah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: my last at bat did land where our catcher or
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a little in front of our catcher is though here
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: home run last about ever? And then they they said
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you're done so but yeah, yeah this is this place
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: sucks on the hitting side for me.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: But it made you a picture.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah it really turned out.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, interesting, you would have maybe made it twenty
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: three if you were still hitting.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no more punchouts and you don't have to deal
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: with the stupid hitting coaches.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Have you and Paul?
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Have you and Paul had like like, have you had
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: the humane Schiens have a like.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Home run nerby?
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Would the team allow it? Because just saying he didn't
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: do it in professional baseball?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Shoot, I mean I always say that when anyone asks, like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do have like Jared's in this conversation too,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: like he hit in high school but like.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: High school high school exactly exactly.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I do have five homers and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: inrofessional baseball, most of them in roockie ball one in
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: affiliate you know, not bad, but yeah, I I I
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: don't not want to be humble, but I'm a better
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: hitter than Paul.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: I wouldna say I've done it at a higher level.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: So if you guys face, if you guys faced each other,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: who has a better chance of getting hit off the other?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: If you had to face I'd rake him. I'm just
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: saying I would know because I'm lefty in that splinker
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: with my bats feed of ninety six. But if you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: had to face.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Him and he faced you say, you both get ten
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: of bats off each other.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: So if he could eliminate one pitch, I think I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: think I would hold my own anything going away from
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: me if you eliminated the splinker, I can't hit anything
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: going away from me, nothing anything coming in.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: I'm fine.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: So if he eliminated that, I probably I probably had
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a knock. I get myself one hit. It's not it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: not something piston. It's more of just like a choopy.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You know those count two true him Gosh, I don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: know he's right handed, so I would just exploit him.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: But oh yeah, I like that. But like eliminated, we
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: gotta stand up the anthem, We gotta go.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Oh we got the anthem? Fifty seven? Are you singing it?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I wish thank single, but you would sing the anthem?
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: I would say that you, and right, what's up you?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And Adam Wayne Right. You see Wayne Right saying the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: anthem a couple of years ago.