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HEADLINES: Uber’s Trial, Wing’s Delivery, NASA’s Emergency & SpaceX’s Birds · Nonsense with cj little and Jeff Parker

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  Have you watched any of the coverage of CES and all the
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  robots I. Have first of all, every year at
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  CESI can't see any value in me going because I like other
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  people to go through, walk the floor, find the stuff for sure,
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  highlight the stuff that's good, highlight the stuff that's
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  funny, and then the rest of that I just never want to hear about
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  it. I don't have to go walk through
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  20,000 steps a day to figure this out.
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  It's massive. CES is massive.
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  But then like everything else, like there's some robot that's
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  making coffee. I'm like, what's your, what are
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  you doing? It does a terrible job making
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  like the coffee looks like crap. How about just a coffee machine?
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  How much a coffee machine? You don't need a humanoid shaped
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  robot got to do this. What are you doing?
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  Like we don't need you. We don't need this.
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  Problem solved my. Bet is within five years there
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  is a robot that can walk the CES for you and find the good booth
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  so you don't have to go. Yeah.
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  I need the CES walking robot. Oh, that would be perfect.
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  That's what you're going to get. That would be absolutely
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  perfect. And then the problem is that
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  robot's going to get sent to you and be like, I'm not doing this
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  shit anymore and it's just going to go to the Verge and get it
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  all from the verge. I don't want to keep doing that.
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  The reporters are still having to walk the floor themselves.
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  Oh no, they don't get a pass. No, this you signed up for this.
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  All the booths are are staffed by robots, but it's the year
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  2035, all the products are robots.
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  There's still 3 reporters from The Verge that have to walk the
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  whole floor to get into my content.
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  David Pierce has no choice. He still has to be there.
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  This. Is our future, everybody?
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  He presents a truly terrible podcast.
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  Welcome to Nonsense season 4, episode 2.
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  I'm Jeff Parker. I'm.
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  This is our take on the week's business, tech and entertainment
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  headlines. This time, growth at any cost.
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  Uber's safety record faces federal scrutiny.
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  Wait, you mean that weed smell is an indicator of the driver
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  keeping me safe? I see you're a big fan of
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  Cologne. 30 minutes or less. The Walmart drone revolution
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  hits LA, Miami and beyond. Oh, packages raining out of the
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  sky, just like Sam Walton always dreamed.
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  Controlled medical evacuation ordered for the International
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  Space. Station.
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  And here we thought the ISS was more likely to be evacuated by 1
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  of Butch's many. Code Brown.
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  The race to 15,000 FCC green light, 7500 more star link
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  satellites. You get a star link and you get
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  a star link. Also a big story later this week
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  is about a eyes impact. You'll get a star link,
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  unemployment and wealth. I know we promised that last
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  week, but lordy, the technical difficulties and it didn't
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  happen, but maybe we'll get it out this week.
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  We're back to recording on tape this week.
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  We're cutting it with scissors, folks.
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  On Wire. Speaking of that, it's Public
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  Broadcasting Day, honoring the first live broadcast of 1910.
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  Before podcasts and streaming radio connected the world
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  through theater of the mind. Today, we celebrate the stations
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  that prioritize truth over clicks and community over
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  commercials. TuneIn Listen.
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  Deep Support public Radio. Yeah, now more than ever.
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  I mean, with funding cut to the Corporation for Public
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  Broadcasting last year, these stations are all effectively on
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  their own. So if you care about or enjoy
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  universal access to non commercial, high quality
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  educational and cultural content, you should really
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  support public radio today. They need it more than ever.
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  I still listen to our Santa Monica Public Radio station
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  here. I don't listen to much radio.
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  I there's very little broadcast radio I listen do.
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  It's been remarkably good. Absolutely.
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  And we had one in Pasadena, too. Yeah.
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  A very special local public radio presence.
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  Yeah, that was really extraordinary.
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  It's really different. It's kind of unfair though,
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  because as most folks know, everything is better in
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  California and KCRW is no exception.
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  So I get that. I understand.
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  How was your week going, birthday boy?
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  Well, I'm older now, as you clearly have leaked to our
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  audience. That's true every episode.
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  As I get old. Thank you by the way, I get a
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  lot of comments about you explaining how averages work to
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  me last week which I thought was really funny.
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  I want I wanted to make a bigger your steak.
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  Basically that was my goal to myself for my birthday.
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  I was like. How big are steak?
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  A bigger, a bigger piece of meat.
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  That was my. Oh, oh, oh, and actually, OK, I
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  was like a steak in the road or so you know, steak well
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  milestone in your life, so. I mean, can it be both?
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  Can't a big steak be making a big steak?
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  I guess so I've been. Wanting to do a big prime rib
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  roast for a while, and I have had this idea to see if I could
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  combine two of my favorite things in life, which is a
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  delicious red meat with mold. Oh yeah.
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  So I decided on Thursday last week it can't be good.
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  Yeah, Yeah. To make a big dinner.
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  So I bought a 20, 21 LB boneless prime rib roast as one does,
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  yes, Which by the way, I just giggled like when the guy got it
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  for me and he was like, well, this one's 21 lbs.
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  I was like, well, I'm buying it like what?
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  It's my birthday, why not? I own the excursion, why
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  wouldn't I? Exactly, exactly.
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  It'll fit in the back. It can fit three of them.
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  And then I ground up some Koji rice and threw it on there and
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  let it RIP. And, and for those that don't
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  like or know about mold on their meat, maybe I should explain.
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  There's a specific mold the Japanese call Koji or known as
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  Aspergillus orize. And it's safe for human
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  consumption, not gonna die. It's most commonly used to make
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  things like sake, soy sauce, miso, like all these things
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  you've had. This is the mold that's
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  responsible for that fermentation.
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  What's interesting is if you apply it to meat, yes, it will
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  rapidly tenderize and flavor the meat.
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  So you get sort of these deep umami soy lake flavors that
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  effectively simulate weeks of dry aging, but in as little as a
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  day or two. When it does this by breaking
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  down the proteins and enhancing sort of the the savoriness.
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  Sure, sure. It's not new.
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  It's been around forever. It's newish to me.
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  I've done it a couple times. But of course, I had to AB test
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  this because you can't just do 1 chunk of meat.
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  You got to do 2 chunks of meat. Cooking with science.
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  Yeah. Basically, I cut the rib roast
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  in half and then half I just dry brined.
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  We call that the control. Then the other half, I ground up
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  some Koji rice and some salt and I sprinkle it on there.
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  And then I put on a rack in the fridge for 12 hours and I had no
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  idea what was going to happen. I may have just ruined a couple
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  100 bucks worth of meat, who knows?
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  But I did a long reverse sear and it was amazing.
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  I was very happy. I think you were.
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  I mean, you were here. You were part of the fun.
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  I did taste both and yeah, I actually love the one that you
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  enhanced with the quote UN quote.
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  Mold, mold. It's not quote UN quote mold.
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  It's mold. Which is not really the way to
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  sell this. I think you need another word
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  other than mold to make this palatable for people.
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  Well, you could call it Koji, sure, but it.
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  Was absolutely delicious. It was.
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  It was absolutely incredible. Yeah, I think this is kind of
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  like French baking. You don't want to tell people
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  how much butter is in anything. I think you just want to be
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  like, I made the steak better and just don't tell them how the
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  sausage is made. I think that's the right answer.
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  Call it Koji. Just call it Koji.
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  Just call it Koji exactly. So the the result was this
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  complex sort of age taste and it in the texture even changes,
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  which is also fascinating to me because it it extracts some of
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  the moisture from the meat. I was very happy for my first
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  time doing this. I was the flavor was great, but
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  I was more pleased with the temperature.
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  So by doing this at extremely low temperature for a long time,
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  I was able to get this uniform pink from edge to edge on the
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  meat. Even the end cut sure was was
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  perfect mid rare and that to me was really what I wanted to
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  achieve none of that gross Gray brown crust around the meat.
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  This is a cooking show now. I know, but.
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  That's OK. It was beautiful.
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  That's OK, I think I bought you your first prime rib in Las
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  Vegas. Not my first.
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  That wasn't your first. No.
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  You had never had endless prime rib before, and you didn't
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  realize you could go back to the carving station.
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  Do you remember this? Oh yeah.
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  I remember it I I have a tiny shrine for every time I've ever
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  gone to Vegas and had prime. Rib you made like 7 trips back.
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  I get to know the Carver by the 4th trip.
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  Yeah, yeah, 100%. This is the way.
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  It used to go down when I was younger.
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  I could do this trick. I can't now that I'm older.
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  You were 15. I would order a slice of prime
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  rib at the little buffet and they cut me one and I'd say,
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  hey, can I have another one? And then they'd be like, kid,
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  and they'd slice me this like thin one leather, rinse, repeat
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  that three times. After that, they're just like,
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  oh, we're just giving this kid half the roast.
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  Sure. I'd be kind of a little tiny bit
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  of a Dick. I'd be like, hey, can I have the
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  center cut 'cause I want the rare part and they just look at
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  me. But yeah, man, I would destroy
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  me some prime rib. And it was really fun to make it
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  myself. It's a very easy cut to make.
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  You just have to not screw it up.
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  It really isn't that hard. The hard part was the AJU.
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  The AJU was more work than anything else.
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  Incredible dinner with Chris Bryant, Gary, Tara, Tony, Craig,
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  Danielle and yourself. Absolutely an amazing night.
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  You can only be a one or two syllable friend now.
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  My kids were there too and they I'm glad to put them at the kids
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  table. I think that was the right thing
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  to do. But they also destroyed like 2
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  1/2 pieces of primary. It was a fun time.
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  I'm glad you got. I'm glad you made.
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  It was a lot of celebrating and a lot of good, happy eating and
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  great people. And we have more reasons to
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  celebrate this past week though, too.
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  That's my week, I know. Tell me about it.
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  Sure. How was your week?
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  What'd you? Do I you football?
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  I just, that's the only thing I'm going to mention is just IU
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  football. Yeah, I will say they had a
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  dominant 56 to 22 victory. By the way, the Peach Bowl was
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  absolutely an incredible viewing experience.
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  I don't know. Did you watch the whole thing?
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  I watched. Damn near all of it.
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  Yeah, the first time in program history the Indiana Hoosiers are
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  playing for the CFP National Championship, which is so
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  exciting. On the 19th, they're facing the
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  Miami Hurricanes, which should be so fun at Hard Rock Stadium.
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  Indiana is the championship with a 15 and 0 record.
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  A win against Miami would make them the first team in Football
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  Bowl full Subdivision history, FSB history to complete a 16 and
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  oh season officially completing the greatest turn around in the
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  history of college football. Let me just stress how bad
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  Indiana was totally before Kurt Signetti got there.
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  Yeah, they had some good years. Don't get me wrong, there were,
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  there were some good years, but there were a lot of Yeah, you
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  know, there was a lot of. There were some good years
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  before we landed on the moon. I mean, it's been hot minutes.
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  Been a while. It's been a while to get to 500.
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  Yeah, IU only needs to win 191 more games in a row.
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  So you just need 15 more seasons like this and then they are.
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  So close they are so close. That's.
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  Nuts. First of all, the game was
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  incredible. I mean, even if you're not a
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  college sports or football fan, I, I still the game was
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  incredible. I'm most interested to see at
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  the start of the game this is they're, they're playing Miami,
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  they're playing in Miami's. Backyard Yeah, right.
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  They're they're by luck and chance.
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  The the the location of the game was set long before the out
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  course. Of course, of course, of course.
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  But my point is, I still suspect it's going to be a It's gonna
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  look like an IU home game because since this hasn't
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  happened, the IU fans are. Traveling.
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  It's also it's cold as shit in Indiana, right?
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  Now by the way, tickets for the club level last time I looked. 4
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  grand like 4 grand like it's. Insane no tickets for the club
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  level. Last time I look, we're above 18
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  grand. Oh, so you just got two.
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  You didn't get the whole 4, you just.
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  Got That's more expensive than the Super Bowl.
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  They should set up a CarMax dealer, temporary CarMax dealer
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  in front and you just drive from Indiana in your Kia and you just
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  drive it right in and they give you 18 grand for it.
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  You immediately buy a ticket with it.
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  You just trade in your Kia for a seat.
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  This utilitarian thing that provides you value every day.
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  Save your life. You can give up just to watch
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  some guys run around on a field. IU has signed 74 star recruits
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  for the 2026 class alone, which is a huge jump from previous
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  years. You have to win your first
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  season, which is like nearly impossible.
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  They had a lot of things favoring them.
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  It was a fairly easy schedule and you know, a number of other
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  things, but they did it. And in doing that, they were
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  able to do a little recruiting this last year and now it's just
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  the floodgates are open. If you're a good football
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  player, you want to go to IU. Things have changed so much.
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  When I was first watching IU football, this was the first
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  year of Kurt. Yeah, 'cause my child goes to IU
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  and so I started watching when. Yeah, when that occurred, when I
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  would watch games that first season, which was Kurt
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  Cignetti's first season, the stadium was maybe 3/4 full.
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  Yeah. They are now looking at Memorial
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  Stadium to see if they can increase capacity is about
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  52,500. They want to increase capacity
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  somehow to 70,000 because the ticket demand is so strong.
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  I. I think this is kind of nuts.
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  I I love the idea that they want to expand the stadium.
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  I think that's great. Yeah.
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  I kind of feel like you might want to wait before you put the
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  money into the infrastructure project.
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  Like let's let's make sure this is a couple years of work
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  before. Kurt's gonna get hit by a bus.
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  I think Kurt might be coaching for the Ravens next year if they
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  put a big enough pile of money in front of him.
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  Who knows? He's there for the duration.
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  I do think he's there for the duration.
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  As you have mentioned on this show, yeah, he has clauses in
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  his contract, Yes, they'd bring him up to salary parody with,
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  yes, other really good coaches, provided he stays a really good
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  coach, Yeah, he doesn't trigger those unless he wins.
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  In lieu of pay increase, there is an item in his contract where
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  he just said he can accept a a current aircraft carrier that
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  would accept his pay. Like he was like, he's like,
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  either that or just give me another James Webb Space
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  Telescope, something I need something in the billions of
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  dollars. And then I'd be OK with that.
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  And I could just be like, oh, that's my aircraft carrier.
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  Oh, you, oh, you have a Gulfstream.
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  Oh, that's cute. I have an Enterprise class.
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  Some of the color they gave during that game, by the way,
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  they were talking about his assistant coaches back at IUP.
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  And I thought the story was great.
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  He talked about two of his assistants that each made 5
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  grand a year at IUP. Yeah.
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  And they asked one of these isn't coaches.
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  Yeah. How did you get by during that
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  time? And they said, he said the coach
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  actually got emotion and said it was a lot of help of from his
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  friends and family. And I can only imagine being an
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  assistant coach where like you have to do this for the passion,
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  you're not doing it for the money.
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  Yeah, because that's not paying anything.
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  And then they, they of course then followed up that story with
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  one of them I think is now in like a $3,000,000 a year pay
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  package, which is awesome to see that sticking with that and
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  being an excellent coach paid off top of your game is, is
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  being rewarded. It's very cool.
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  I think Kurt's dad coached for IU.
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  PIUP is legendary at IUP. Yeah.
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  Like I think there's like a field or something named after
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  him. I think there's like there's
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  some part of that school has named it after his father.
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  That's really cool. Really be cool to see him fall
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  in those he played. Under his father for one year.
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  Oh, really? I didn't know that.
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  Oh, that's cool. But it's like the Harbaugh's,
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  right? Like, they just have this this
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  football legacy. Well, so literally like no
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  breaks went Kurt's way in terms of getting big offers and all of
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  that. He he had to like, bet on
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  himself big time. Yeah.
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  And it's paid off. Yeah.
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  I could talk about IU football for the rest of the podcast.
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  So it's not I'm. Optimistic that with just a
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  little more money he'll be able to to buy a smile like a smile
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  surgery. Like maybe you have a smile
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  surgery just have those muscles reinstalled that he sold to make
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  ends meet. It's been a fantastic story, fun
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  to. So we read some headlines.
• 12:34
  Let's do it. How 1 Arizona case could cost
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  Uber billions Uber faces high stakes federal trial in Phoenix,
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  AZ that serves as a bellwether for over 3000 similar sexual
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  assault lawsuits. The plaintiff, Jay Lynn Dean,
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  alleges she was raped by a driver IN2023A tragedy that she
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  argues was preventable. The case puts Uber safety
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  infrastructure under fire. Attorneys claim the tech giant
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  prioritized growth over passenger safety by ignoring
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  systemic reports of misconduct and failing to implement
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  serious, rigorous background checks or in car cameras.
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  Uber maintains it cannot be held liable for criminal acts of
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  independent contractors and insists that safety tech is
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  industry leading. After a judge rejected Ubers
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  last minute attempt to delay the trial, the verdict now carries
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  massive weight. It will likely set the
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  settlement value for thousands of survivors seeking
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  accountability for platform related violence.
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  Uber rival Lyft is facing similar lawsuits both in state
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  and federal court, although there is no coordinated federal
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  litigation for those claims. Uber sought to delay the trial
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  in Dean's case after accusing her attorneys of tainting the
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  jury pool with an ad campaign that said Uber was notified of a
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  sexual crime almost every 8 minutes.
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  Uber said the campaigns claims were categorically false.
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  Now, those claims actually that that number actually came from a
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  New York Times investigation, and I have a feeling New York
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  Times did their homework. Yeah, well, I mean, it was from
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  sealed court docs where they got it from.
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  I don't think they just made it up out a whole cloth, right.
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  My hunch is Uber's response is some percentage of those claims
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  are not substantiated or of some other concern.
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  Who knows, But they haven't. They certainly haven't brought
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  it. To life.
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  Those are just the ones that were reported.
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  Imagine how many occurred that were not reported.
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  I mean, Uber had disclosed something like 12,000 over the
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  same time period, but I they haven't provided a lot of detail
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  between the two. This is a very interesting to
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  me. This, this certainly this case.
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  I'm I'm thinking more about the solution to the problem.
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  Like right now you're we're clearly stuck in the mire with
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  this A VS are the solution right?
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  You're you're. Yeah, it's a self correcting
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  problem because a VS are cheaper and yeah, they're going to
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  destroy the Uber business anyway.
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  Yes, your your Waymo is not going to sexually assault you.
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  Now your your Tesla might. I don't know what they're
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  building that. If they put grok in that thing,
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  they might. I would be a little concerned
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  about getting in a Tesla with with grok.
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  Wow, that's a separate concern. That's a feature as what I'm
• 14:38
  what I'm presuming they're selling that as it does seem
• 14:41
  like if you see you know, if you have this pattern of of
• 14:44
  complaints. It does sexual assault complaint
• 14:47
  every 8 minutes. Well, I'm, I'm sorry, 8 minutes.
• 14:49
  Saying if you see a pattern with within certain drivers.
• 14:52
  Right. Oh, you think it's all one guy
• 14:53
  and he's just every 8 minutes he's assaulting somebody.
• 14:55
  It's that one so they could just fire they.
• 14:57
  Could just get rid of him if they could just get him off but
• 14:59
  he's grandfathered in. OK.
• 15:00
  They were doing something like 60,000 complaints a year they're
• 15:03
  getting or they have been getting.
• 15:04
  I gotta believe that you're seeing some patterns across
• 15:07
  drivers right now. I know people abuse the system
• 15:09
  all the time both ways. I see videos in the past on
• 15:12
  TikTok of people that are like, I didn't like this driver.
• 15:14
  I'm going to claim these things in my report.
• 15:16
  So I'm. I'm sure the folks at Uber are
• 15:18
  dealing with that as well. My hunch is it's not the vast
• 15:21
  majority. Yeah, right.
• 15:22
  So you got some number in there that are substantiated claims
• 15:25
  and if you've. Got that's easy to fix.
• 15:27
  By the way, if you're an Uber driver, just put up a camera.
• 15:29
  Well, absolutely just record all of your rides.
• 15:31
  What are you doing not doing? That, but I, I do think that
• 15:33
  they being Uber or Lyft in this case, you've got some some
• 15:36
  culpability here. If you've got more than you
• 15:38
  know, a handful of reports, really even 1 substantiated
• 15:40
  report, How is that person still on your platform?
• 15:42
  Sure. And I have to believe this is
• 15:44
  the driver. I have to believe that the the
• 15:46
  drivers are in such demand still, they need them more than
• 15:50
  they are letting on, otherwise they kick them off.
• 15:52
  There's no value in keeping on a driver that's committing sexual
• 15:55
  assault unless you absolutely need the drivers.
• 15:57
  Well, it's very easy to increase or decrease the number of
• 15:59
  drivers, and that is by increasing or decreasing the
• 16:02
  percentage of the fare that they get.
• 16:03
  Well, you another lever too, you can change, you can change the
• 16:05
  fare as well, right, but but determining market, you can
• 16:08
  absolutely drive that. I mean Uber prices are up
• 16:10
  significantly from my experience over the past couple of years.
• 16:13
  Yeah. Now where that money is landing
• 16:14
  is is certainly up for debate. But it does seem like costs have
• 16:17
  gone way up and the service doesn't seem to be slowing down
• 16:19
  I think. Way MO prices are even up in the
• 16:21
  last year. That's my sense from from rides
• 16:23
  I've taken. I have no I have no actual data.
• 16:26
  I just have my my experience. When the great way MO gods
• 16:29
  decide to to come and visit my home then I then I will be
• 16:32
  taking more way MO's. Right now it is a only a
• 16:34
  privilege for me to take away. MO they they keep their pricing
• 16:36
  in with market pricing or roughly market a little, little
• 16:38
  lower than micro market pricing is my.
• 16:40
  Experience but this is this trial is going to be super
• 16:42
  interesting. I'm not crazy about these, these
• 16:44
  pool of trial of attorneys that are that are putting ad
• 16:46
  campaigns out. I do think that could
• 16:49
  effectively taint the jury pool. But there's also no way around
• 16:51
  that. I mean, this is in, it's in the
• 16:53
  ether. But let's talk about why those
• 16:55
  those attorneys put out those ads.
• 16:57
  The attorneys put out the ads because Uber was trying to limit
• 17:01
  their compensation for suits. Uber was literally trying to
• 17:04
  change the law. In California.
• 17:05
  California, yeah, to make it so that it's less viable for an
• 17:08
  attorney to. Take a contingency suit.
• 17:11
  Yeah, they want to cap, they want to cap contingency fees and
• 17:13
  right. And I think reduce or or
• 17:15
  restrict what you can get medical costs reimbursed.
• 17:17
  So. So Uber is both complaining that
• 17:20
  they've tainted the jury pool. The lawyers have attained to the
• 17:22
  jury pool, but Uber is really the cause of them putting the
• 17:24
  ads out to begin with, Yeah. Sure they did.
• 17:27
  Well, they didn't have to put the ads.
• 17:28
  Out. Well, you come after my
• 17:29
  livelihood, I'm gonna put out some ads about why we need.
• 17:32
  Which they're coming out for their livelihood.
• 17:34
  Why we need to be able to sue you?
• 17:35
  Sure, sure, some cap I don't this is this is obviously a a
• 17:38
  big hairy ball of wax to take apart.
• 17:41
  But I I do think that what you said earlier, I feel like there
• 17:44
  is a solution coming very quickly on this and that will be
• 17:48
  a VS I don't. Think they can put out enough a
• 17:50
  VS quickly enough. There's Uber is so huge by
• 17:53
  comparison to Waymo for Waymo to catch up, I mean the growth rate
• 17:56
  would have to be absolutely extraordinary.
• 17:58
  And and Waymo doesn't seem to be a company that grows like that.
• 18:01
  They're adding like 10 cities this year.
• 18:02
  In 2026 you were we were talking about in our predictions them
• 18:05
  adding sure 10 more on top of that, but I don't think that's
• 18:07
  likely. They seem to go so.
• 18:08
  You know, I see a confounding of factors that tells me when
• 18:12
  they're ready, they can go quickly.
• 18:14
  And and I'll tell you why, because it seems like once you
• 18:16
  have AV self driving tech that works, that is callable, yeah,
• 18:20
  then you start to see a decrease.
• 18:22
  You see this like spiral like decrease in car sales, which
• 18:25
  means they can scale up faster and cheaper because those cars
• 18:28
  have got to go somewhere. You already have them.
• 18:29
  And to me, the only thing that matters is who has the most
• 18:32
  capital. You're going to need a ton of
• 18:33
  capital to deploy and do this. Well, it's Google.
• 18:36
  Alphabet has the capital for sure.
• 18:38
  You saying? It does seem like they got a lot
• 18:39
  of capital to me. So it seems like when they want
• 18:41
  to press the accelerator on this, they can't.
• 18:44
  I do not think it will be just Google.
• 18:45
  I think there will be others. I think Google has to.
• 18:47
  Figure what they want to do with the tech to do they want to just
• 18:49
  keep it for themselves, which is what I kind of hope they do.
• 18:51
  They want to license it out to other manufacturers, but you get
• 18:53
  to this world. I have never known Google to
• 18:55
  keep tech for themselves. They always license it out
• 18:58
  Literally they just announced no couple days ago yeah couple days
• 19:01
  ago they announced that Siri the on the on the iOS platform is
• 19:05
  going to work with Gemini AI. Sure, they don't keep the tech
• 19:08
  for themselves ever if they can make money off of it in some.
• 19:11
  Way they do it. OK, I see what you're saying.
• 19:12
  Yeah. The car manufacturer who finally
• 19:14
  comes around and says, hey, we'd like to use your AI for our self
• 19:18
  driving. Google's gonna say, you know,
• 19:20
  here's the terms, here's the deal, and they're gonna go Bing
• 19:21
  bang and they're gonna make a deal and go.
• 19:23
  Yeah, I think the margin they're gonna get on on running their
• 19:26
  own AV's with their tech, which I believe will be substantially
• 19:28
  better, will be orders of magnitude higher than what
• 19:31
  they'll get from selling it to maybe forward to slap on their
• 19:33
  car or whatever. But we'll see, who knows.
• 19:35
  I hear your point. I mean, you make you make a good
• 19:37
  point. There way MO is profitable.
• 19:39
  I mean they say that's what we hear from their conference
• 19:41
  calls. Way though is profitable.
• 19:43
  But I love that they don't have the pressure of having to hit
• 19:45
  some profitability milestone or go BK like they can get the they
• 19:49
  can get the tech done correctly. And I think that's pretty
• 19:51
  awesome. Take your time and and go safe.
• 19:53
  Every single new zone, every single new city that you add is
• 19:56
  going to have complications you didn't have in previous cities.
• 19:59
  Sure, every city has its uniqueness that requires you to
• 20:02
  go learn new things. I had this conversation with my
• 20:04
  wife over the weekend. We were talking about something
• 20:06
  traveling, not even about this case or anything to do with
• 20:08
  that, but it was just the way that I view travel with, with
• 20:12
  Ubers or Lyfts is so completely different than the way she
• 20:15
  views. She's like, Oh yeah, 'cause
• 20:16
  you're a man. Like we have to think about
• 20:18
  100%. And I just take that for granted
• 20:20
  that I can just get like, yeah, sadly 0 Uber drivers are gonna,
• 20:24
  when I get in, they're gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna rape this
• 20:26
  guy. Talk like no one's saying that.
• 20:27
  The sky is the new aisle. Walmart's national drone blitz.
• 20:31
  Walmart is taking the last mile race to the skies In a massive
• 20:34
  expansion announced January 11th, Alphabet owned wing is
• 20:37
  bringing drone delivery to 150 more Walmart locations this
• 20:40
  year. Unfortunately, my city is not
• 20:42
  one of them. This isn't just a pilot program,
• 20:44
  it's a national scale up. The expansion moves beyond the
• 20:46
  Dallas, Fort Worth and Atlanta hubs into major metros like Los
• 20:49
  Angeles, Miami, Cincinnati and Saint Louis.
• 20:51
  You can go to their website. You can enter your address and
• 20:53
  see if it applies to you. Does not apply to me.
• 20:55
  Not that I'm better or anything. By the ending of 2026, the
• 20:58
  service will reach 40 million Americans, offering 30 minute
• 21:01
  delivery for essentials like eggs, medicine or late night
• 21:04
  chargers. I don't know what a late night
• 21:05
  charger is. I guess you need to charge your
• 21:07
  phone and. Like a phone charger maybe or.
• 21:08
  Something why is that a late That only works the late at
• 21:10
  night. Your phone's dead charger
• 21:11
  doesn't work in the day. The drones cruising at 65 miles
• 21:14
  an hour. We use a tether their system to
• 21:16
  drop packages precisely on front lawns, but the goal of 270
• 21:19
  locations by 2027, Walmart is betting big that Instant is the
• 21:23
  new standard for retail convenience.
• 21:25
  How can you look at this and not go, this is super cool, super
• 21:28
  cool. Like forget about the brands
• 21:30
  involved that it's Google or Walmart.
• 21:31
  Packages get to me fast enough, by and large.
• 21:33
  I just don't care about speed. Anymore there there is a subset
• 21:37
  of stuff that I think this is extremely applicable.
• 21:39
  For example, I would love a world where when I do my video
• 21:43
  call with my doc or I go visit them and I get home and my
• 21:47
  medicine is just there. That is an excellent use case
• 21:50
  for this. I'm already sick.
• 21:51
  I don't want to go to CVS and cough on someone.
• 21:54
  Like I know that's a very small subset.
• 21:56
  What else is CVS 4 then? Oh, I would like CVS to go away.
• 21:58
  I have not been bashful about that at.
• 22:00
  All if not for sick people to go and cough on other people.
• 22:03
  What is CVS 4? Oh, I see your point.
• 22:05
  Yeah. Passport photos.
• 22:06
  Oh, OK. And Reese's Pieces.
• 22:07
  That's basically it goes peeps. We're all seen by your peeps.
• 22:10
  I love this idea, though. I I mean, can you?
• 22:12
  I can see the world very near term where I leave my doctor
• 22:15
  office and my script is waiting for me at my house when I get
• 22:18
  home. And I think that's lovely.
• 22:19
  Yeah. I can also see a world where
• 22:20
  like, as, as a father of, of two very much growing young, young
• 22:24
  boys, there are. There have been a handful of
• 22:26
  times where I wake up in the morning, I got school coming and
• 22:28
  I realize we are out of eggs. And now I need to get protein
• 22:31
  into these kids. And I don't know how to do it.
• 22:33
  And I'm like, scrambling in the fridge to figure something out.
• 22:36
  I would love a world where I could order a dozen eggs and
• 22:38
  have them delivered in, you know, 20 to 30 minutes.
• 22:41
  That could be awesome. Or just have looked at the
• 22:42
  looked at the fridge the night before.
• 22:44
  OK, you have your solution and I have mine.
• 22:46
  Mine is technology based, yours is responsibility based.
• 22:49
  Well, they used to only carry 2 1/2 lbs.
• 22:51
  Now they carry 5. Their payload.
• 22:52
  'S really small, 5 lbs is better pounds that's pretty 1/2 gallon
• 22:55
  of milk. Like what do you do multi trip?
• 22:57
  I feel like, I don't know. I feel like either of us really,
• 22:59
  probably both of us will be very tempted to abuse us.
• 23:02
  Like we did Cosmo back in the day when I was like, oh, I can
• 23:05
  order one bag of Skittles and a guy shows up and like I did it
• 23:07
  once and then felt terrible and I was like this guy just rode
• 23:09
  all like 4 flights of stairs, rode a bike to bring these
• 23:12
  Skittles. Like, no, let's not be that guy.
• 23:15
  Super fascinated by this, though.
• 23:16
  I think this is really interesting and and pretty lofty
• 23:19
  goal to get something like 270 locations deployed by the end of
• 23:21
  next year. That's that's amazing.
• 23:23
  I think this is super interesting.
• 23:24
  However, this is where I want to I'm going to now I want to plug
• 23:28
  my own, my own startup here. I think after after I like how I
• 23:32
  say that you immediately start laughing.
• 23:34
  I can't even get those words out without you laughing.
• 23:37
  I would say, do you feel funny coming?
• 23:38
  Is it like a tsunami of of funny coming?
• 23:41
  So instead of instead of drone delivery, which I think is
• 23:45
  great, I am excited to to deploy my own version of home delivery,
• 23:49
  which are just little mini trebuchets that they put at the
• 23:51
  Walmart and they could just fling the shit to your house.
• 23:53
  I think that would be awesome. Controlled medical evacuation
• 23:57
  ordered for the International Space Station.
• 23:59
  NASA is cutting a major mission short following an undisclosed
• 24:02
  medical situation involving one astronaut.
• 24:04
  The agency has decided last week to bring four of the ISS 7 crew
• 24:07
  members home months early while NASA remains tight lipped on the
• 24:11
  astronaut's identity cheat. There's only four of them.
• 24:13
  We could probably figure it out with 25% accuracy.
• 24:15
  Chief. Not probably, yeah.
• 24:17
  Chief Health and Medical Officer James JD Polk confirmed the
• 24:20
  individual is absolutely stable. The agency is erring on the side
• 24:23
  of caution by fast tracking their return.
• 24:25
  Originally slated for February, the Crew 11 team will now depart
• 24:29
  later this week for a splash down off the California.
• 24:31
  Coast. When you put the word absolutely
• 24:33
  in front of stable, I have one eyebrow that goes up.
• 24:35
  Yeah. I mean, you could have just had
• 24:36
  stable and you say absolutely stable.
• 24:38
  I'm like, wait, really? And they're bringing him home,
• 24:39
  so obviously he's not. Absolutely.
• 24:41
  Stable. I don't actually know that.
• 24:43
  Yeah, exactly. But this is, I mean, this is
• 24:46
  like these are the things that they they plan for.
• 24:48
  And yeah, this is not, no, nobody wants.
• 24:50
  This is not what anybody wants. The space station's full of of
• 24:53
  medical supplies. It basically is a is a full of
• 24:56
  doctors. Yeah, it's full.
• 24:57
  It's it's basically an EMT that floats in the air.
• 25:00
  Yeah. That that.
• 25:00
  Floats in the lack of a place to have a mild stroke or aneurysm.
• 25:03
  That's probably not the best place, but it's not a bad place
• 25:06
  to do it. You're better off there than out
• 25:07
  in the sequoias. That's true.
• 25:08
  I don't know that was the only other option.
• 25:09
  Choice, yes, those, yeah, those are your choices, it turns out.
• 25:12
  So currently as a time of recording currently slated to re
• 25:15
  enter and splash down just after midnight on Thursday morning of
• 25:20
  this week. So you're gonna go watch you're
• 25:21
  in Southern California Yes, I am planning on going to watch and
• 25:25
  bringing much cameras trying to video because the last time I
• 25:27
  did this and the when the dragon capsule came back over LA, you
• 25:29
  may remember that I got completely socked in 30 minutes
• 25:32
  before splashdown. But we are currently slated to
• 25:34
  be completely clear skies on that day.
• 25:36
  We have whatever inversion layer, whatever the hell is
• 25:39
  happening here. We are completely clear skies
• 25:40
  and like 80° for the rest of the week.
• 25:42
  So it's supposed to be super nice.
• 25:43
  So I think we're fingers crossed we're gonna be.
• 25:44
  What nice weather for them to come home.
• 25:46
  And when you see this thing streaking across the sky, it
• 25:48
  looks like nothing you've ever. Seen the chemtrails?
• 25:51
  Really interesting. Can you call them chemtrails?
• 25:53
  Are they chemtrails? What are they?
• 25:55
  What is that? Trails?
• 25:57
  They are chemtrails. Yes, that they.
• 25:59
  Light up the sky. They're they're amazing.
• 26:01
  It, I mean, it looks like it just looks like something you've
• 26:04
  never seen before. The the, the, the flame trail on
• 26:07
  this thing is massive. It is incredible.
• 26:10
  It looks like something out of a sci-fi movie.
• 26:12
  It looks fake. And you'll and you'll hear the
• 26:13
  double Sonic boom as well, which will also be super cool.
• 26:15
  So if you're in Southern California, double check 'cause
• 26:18
  we're not. They will not confirm the splash
• 26:20
  on time until it's undocked. And the goal is to undock this
• 26:23
  thing from the space station such that there's like a little
• 26:25
  trunk that that that crashes to Earth they have no control over.
• 26:28
  They want that to fall where there are no people.
• 26:30
  So it's important to get that timing right.
• 26:31
  But they suspect that they will detach the capsule sometime on
• 26:35
  Wednesday of this week. And then at that point, once it
• 26:38
  detached, we should know splashed on.
• 26:39
  Time. And so bringing the four of them
• 26:40
  home, that leaves only three in the International Space Station.
• 26:44
  And that's how we used to run it.
• 26:45
  We used to run it with a crew of three.
• 26:47
  Yeah. And then we got a crew of six up
• 26:49
  there and I think they eventually moved up to 7, seven
• 26:51
  or eight or something like that that were routinely doing, you
• 26:54
  know, experiments and things in in the space station.
• 26:57
  With only three versus 7 it makes for way less fun key
• 27:00
  parties. But you know, still something.
• 27:04
  It's just a full 3 keys. By the way, I want to go on the
• 27:08
  record here. I am having a lot of fun on our
• 27:10
  last show. This is.
• 27:14
  FCC Expansion Unlocks New Era for Starlink Mobile In a major
• 27:17
  win for orbital dominance, the FCC just cleared SpaceX to
• 27:21
  launch an additional 7500 Gen. 2 Starlink satellites.
• 27:25
  This partial grant double S the company's authorized next Gen.
• 27:28
  fleet to 15,000, aiming for symmetrical Gigabit speeds that
• 27:32
  could finally bring fiber like performance to the most remote
• 27:35
  corners of the globe. To secure the deal, SpaceX
• 27:37
  agreed to operate at lower altitudes, some as low as 340
• 27:40
  kilometers, to minimize signal lag and ensure dead satellites
• 27:43
  burn up faster in the atmosphere.
• 27:45
  The expansion also unlocks direct to cell capabilities,
• 27:48
  allowing standard smartphones to stay connected without a dish.
• 27:52
  While the FCC deferred a decision on the remaining 15,000
• 27:55
  satellites in Musk's 30,000 unit dream, the message is clear.
• 27:59
  The race for space based Gigabit Internet is accelerating.
• 28:02
  Like it feels like a video game. There's a factory in Redmond, WA
• 28:06
  that is cranking out 7500 Starlink satellites.
• 28:10
  Yeah, they do. We're doing 10 a day.
• 28:11
  So now they've got him up that crazy of.
• 28:14
  Course, but I mean they are just turning the crank unlike raw
• 28:16
  materials come in and satellites.
• 28:18
  Right. And the number of spaceships
• 28:20
  required to get those into space, I mean it just that
• 28:22
  number just gets bigger and bigger.
• 28:24
  Really. And even like the Gen. 3S can't
• 28:25
  even go up on the Falcons? I think the Gen. 3S are too big
• 28:27
  for the Falcons if I recall correctly.
• 28:29
  They need the wow the Starship heavy.
• 28:30
  I'm not a huge fan of disrupting the night sky.
• 28:33
  Oh, you won't even see the night sky anymore.
• 28:35
  First of all, they're coming down lower.
• 28:37
  They're. Gonna be ads.
• 28:38
  They're just gonna play. They're gonna be like when
• 28:39
  they're drunk. The giant array fly over.
• 28:41
  You're going to light them up and say drink Coca-Cola?
• 28:44
  Tesla, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:46
  But man, it is so tempting for the idea to be able to have
• 28:48
  Gigabit Internet anywhere and phone access, at least limited
• 28:52
  phone access anywhere. That's incredible, this
• 28:54
  potentially. Eliminates cell phone companies.
• 28:56
  I'd all, that's a very interesting take.
• 28:59
  I don't think so, at least not for a very long time.
• 29:02
  Yeah, I, I, I think it augments them really well.
• 29:04
  They might get gobbled up. I don't know how that's going to
• 29:07
  work. You got too much threshold
• 29:08
  deployment. You got too many places that
• 29:09
  these things don't work at all. Meaning.
• 29:12
  Meaning Starlink's not going to work at all building.
• 29:14
  Nope like 0. There's zero chance that it's
• 29:17
  going to work. Could you do some sort of
• 29:18
  booster to something on the ground Yeah, but you know what
• 29:20
  that looks like cell sites. The space race on this though is
• 29:22
  really interesting. I mean starting obviously has an
• 29:25
  advantage and A and a huge head start.
• 29:27
  They've certainly unlocked the potential of what's there.
• 29:30
  My hunch is you're going to end up with probably 3 or 4
• 29:32
  competitors that will that will slim down to 2 and then at some
• 29:35
  point you probably see these get gobbled up.
• 29:37
  I mean, it gets really interesting, especially
• 29:39
  international, but I think a lot about like SiriusXM and how that
• 29:42
  we never needed two of those. Like that was just silly to have
• 29:44
  two of those and now you barely have one.
• 29:46
  OK, now with the headlines. In fact, now for the episode we
• 29:48
  have to get out of here. Special thanks to our floor
• 29:50
  director, Mark Ladd. Thanks, Mark.
• 29:52
  We'll be back later this week with our big story, how AI
• 29:54
  disrupts jobs. Until then, thank you for
• 29:56
  listening to all this nonsense. I'm Jeff Parker.
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  I'm still had we ordered a package from Walmart at the
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  beginning of the show, it would almost be here now.
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  Mine is, yeah. It's here right now.
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  Not so long ago, connected the Internet was an arcane process
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  that required intimacy with Unix routers and more.
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  Today, a reliable, feature rich Internet connection is just a
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  phone Callaway, Jeff. Phone Callaway.
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  Yeah. And with long distance
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  heavyweights such as AT&T, MCI and Sprint joining CompuServe
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  America Online, an independent such as Netcom and Internet
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  service provider Arena, prices are falling, good local access
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  numbers are proliferating, and access speed is gaining moment.
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  So to get on the Internet, you only need 3 things.
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  You need an ISP. Internet service Provider.
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  Right, that your Internet service provider would you pick
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  based on you know, your location, your travel needs,
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  etc. And you can either do a pay by
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  the hour or you can do the all you can eat $20.00 per month
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  plans. You can just browse to your
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  hearts content. That's awesome.
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  You need a Winsock connection. OK, now if you're running
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  Windows 95 or Windows NT, you can simply use the operating
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  systems dial up networking feature.
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  So that's great. Sure, but you're also gonna need
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  to know your IP address, DNS server address, username,
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  password and domain name. So you have to have all those
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  things. Sure.
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  And now if you're running Windows 3.1, you're gonna need a
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  TCP IP dialer package such as Trumpet Winsock or Compuserv net
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  launcher. So make sure your ISP will
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  supply one. And then the third, third thing
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  you need, and this is really simple, yeah, you need TCP IP
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  software. So, right.
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  So in addition to a web browser, and there you've got Netscape
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  Navigator or Microsoft Internet Explorer, you're gonna need like
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  a News Group reader, an e-mail program.
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  Those are features that are increasingly being bundled into
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  browsers, sure, but there's still plenty of Ala carte
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  choices available, especially with Exchange as an e-mail
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  client on Windows 95. And then that's it.
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  Lickety split. You're online, so you get
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  connected today. Internet.
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  It's just a phone. Callaway, that's fantastic.
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  I should do that. I haven't tried the Internet,
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  I've heard good things. Oh, it's a dark place.
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  So there were a lot of hints in here.
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  I loved this ad. This was kind of, you know,
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  advert about getting connected online because we're talking
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  about Starlink Gigabit speeds, low latency, and this really
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  wasn't that long ago. Yeah, Yeah.
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  I am confident you can get the year on this because I
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  basically. Gave it to you and it does
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  mention Windows 95, Windows NT so it's got to be mid 90s now.
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  I would say it can't be before 95, so it's got to be 95 over.
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  There, yeah, it was 96, so it was, it was December of 9066.
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  But I loved this because it talked about the things that you
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  needed in order to get connected and the work you had to do.
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  Like, Oh yeah, yeah, sure, you weren't running Gopher, but you
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  still had to do some work plugging stuff together and like
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  having to have a username and password to be connected.
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  If they had PPP or no, you're like your IP address 'cause you
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  weren't handling garbage. Which is why almost no one did
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  that course. They signed up for America
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  Online or they signed up for CompuServe 'cause it just saved.
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  Exactly. You got the disk in the mail and
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  you just went another great example.
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  Just take a little bit of friction out and it's so much
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  easier to get users to come along.
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  But this wasn't that long ago like it was 30 years ago, but
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  still it wasn't that long ago. So for the 30 your anniversary
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  of of Internet, all your kids just plug into your Wi-Fi.
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  You got it easy dial up Internet 1996.
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  Is this pants optional?