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• Welcome in. Welcome in, everybody, Thanks so much for giving us your precious time. As we jump in to three Guys before the game. This is episode four seven seven. The title of the show is Camp Confidential. Are three guys before the game? Internal embedded reporters are inside the deepest recesses of Mountaineer football. They are no but I thought it's something kind of neat. We've got them wired. I don't even know who the backup tackles on. Oh yeah, it's coming. Nick Malone, get over from the high school, got a nice mention this week. Yeah he did on the Brown mentioned index. Nick Malone former walk on turn scholarship. They're liking him. Matt Moore said that he has emerged having a really good playing good football. So he's coming in as a backup at the tackle. Yeah, that's nice to see. This is gonna be a good podcast. We open. You'd mentioned backup left. We went right into allensive line. We're four seconds into this backup left defensive line. I don't even know who the backup corners are fluid, they're efforting, efforting. At this point, Beanie Bishop, in all likelihood, newcomer Beanie Bishop will get a start leading the defensive side of the Brown Bean. He's getting love b squared. We just call him be squared in the industry. Away we go, coming up new stuff from Neil Brown, old stuff from don Neelon. Just to clarify. Three guys before the game is brought to us by the Burdette Camping Center. They happen to be the only warranty RV dealer that lasts forever in the state of West Virginia. Visit them at Burdettecamping dot com and right now all of their twenty twenty two fifth wheels three thousand dollars under invoice. Fifth Wheels three thousand dollars under invoice, all their twenty twenty two models at Burdett Camping should really check that out. Three guys brought to us by the fine folks at Go Mart, Go for good times, Go for Gomart. 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You gotta be careful anyway. I'm ready to do some football. I mean, I'm sure the listeners are ready for us to do something for them. Yeah. Uh, let's jump in here. Neil Brown talking with media members this week. We're into one full week has been completed. The Mountaineers off on Thursday, resume Friday scrimmage, closed scrimmage Saturday night under the lights. I'll get ready for PSU. Yeah. Neil also said yesterday I kind of knew this. We've talked about this a little bit, but the team is going to practice for the rest of this season, not just in fall camp, rest of the season. In the morning. We talked about that last show, but he explained why in detail, why are they going to do that. It makes all kinds of sense and we'll see it all shakes out. Meanwhile, let's do some players stuff. Now. Everyone wants to know who's the QB, who's the QB, who's the QB? And battle is on? So Neil Brown front and center on the quarterback situation. Well, what's a breakdown so far of what he has seen? I necessarily about who's ahead and who's not. Just starting with Niko Nico making growth as a redshirt for freshman. Yesterday, if about halfway through practice was probably as poor decision making as he's made, and then he was really he was able to correct it, which I think is a sign of mental toughness, and he's' and he went. He went a stretch there again where he made some bad decisions and then four out of six plays, four out of his next six plays where where explosive plays. And so to see him kind of take an ass chewing and be able to bounce back and and answer, I was really encouraged with that. We did a lot of red zone work today and it was a little bit of eb and flow with him, but he made two really big time plays and so encouraged. You know, we got to clean up some of those decision makings, our decisions, but encouraged with how he handled adversity because as coaches, you try to create that. You know that kind of happened naturally yesterday. Did you try to create it? I think Garrett Garrett had a couple of big runs today in a in a team period, we're not tackling those guys, but he had a couple of big runs and then he made uh, he reade really a tight throw down in the red zone. And so we're continuing to rotate those guys and we'll do it, you know, when we're gonna name a starter. I don't really have an answer for you. I know y'all don't like that, but I don't really have an answer for that. But we're continuing. They eat or getting reps. John Boyle had his best day yesterday too. I should say that, like, and he can he can really run and I think he hit he's hit twenty miles per hour and like he's he's getting better. There you go. So we're left to interpret what the coaches said, Brad, and if I were to interpret something from that, and I think, knowing how Neil Brown tries to be as honest as is practical, that what I heard there was that Nico Markill has a long way to go and made some obviously big mistakes, but they want to end on a positive note and say they saw improvement. And almost like the lack of mention of Garrett Green is a good thing for Garrett Green because he didn't mention mistakes made so under the Neil Brown index, I would actually put Garrett Green ahead of Nico Marku. We are right smack in camp time, aren't we just interpreting what Neil said? What he didn't say? Did he say this? He said, here's the bottom line. Both those guys are gonna have to play at some point this season. I would think, right, we've seen that before, so I think the question is the same for both of them, regardless of who it end. But let's take it from a Garrett Green perspective. First, he's going to be able to run the football, and that's going to help the offense significantly, right, not just in the ability with run pass offense to run pass option to freeze some defenders and open up some things, but just to get on the edge, but also just when the play breaks down. That's what you really haven't had over the last couple of quarterbacks, is they're inability to take off when it was given to them. That's going to put a different kind of pressure on the defense. So I think that's there. I think that should lead to some more creativity offensively, allow those offensive coaches to expand the playbook a little bit, to mix some things in the question just comes down to the throwing of the football, right, because you can see the obvious part that Garrett brings to it. The questions just remain offensively is regardless of the two of them. But start with Garrett who can throw the ball most effectively without turning it over to then allow the running part of what they do to step forth. So that's what we have to remember. It's very easy to say, oh, you've got a running quarterback. Now, now things will be totally different. But you've, in fairness, have two quarterbacks that can't throw it as well as the two guys you've had previously, at least to this point. Now, maybe that changes when you get into the season. Maybe Garrett, with more reps, becomes more of a thrower. But he sat in this exact chair and said, that's what he's working on, right, that's the part of his game that he knows he needs to push forward. If he's got to throw the ball to win, can he do that? Are his words when he sat here, Because if, if, if he can't throw the ball effectively, defenses will figure that out very very quickly and just say we don't think you can beat us throwing Yeah, Well here's nine in the box throwing the ball. Yeah yeah, Now there's some other pieces to that, But that to me, it's not as if there's been questions. There's always questions about the quarterback. There has been since Will Greer, Right, Well, what don't they do? What don't they do? What don't they do? You're still kind of in that wait and see mode with these quarterbacks until you see how far they've developed from last year. It's just a different question than you've been asking the last couple of years when you would say, why doesn't Jaredeggy keep it in run? Why doesn't JT. Daniels ever keep it in run? But they threw the ball, right, you know you can throw the ball. That's the question coming into this season. I think the running game will will be fine, and I do think you add a different element there and guys not only put and don't put all the pressure on Garret Greener, Nuke Marco. How about how about guys making plays? You know, what have we talked about for several years now? You know the inconsistency at wide receiver inability to make a big play, so help a guy out. Yes, right, well, it's a huge part of it, no question, which I think you're going to get to that. I think when we talk about individuals, There's one that comes up when Neil's talking that I think is going to be critical to this offense. Yeah, we'll get to the bottom line is to the question who's going to be the starting quarterback? The starting quarterback will be drum roll. Which of the two players the coaches think have the best chance of leading the team to a win? Playing it simple, the look at the two. That's not to say that one can't lead them to a win, it's which one of them gives us a better chance to lead us to a win. And to Brad's point, history says there's a very good chance that both will play. It's almost never that we see a quarterback start game one, go through all twelve games and play every snap. Almost doesn't happen. So which of these guys in camp gets the trust of the offensive staff enough to say, this guy either will make plays to let us win or won't make game losing plays to make us lose. That's what it comes. How about this, are you gonna are you gonna take if it's if it's Are you gonna take Nico Markool and have him start at Happy Valley at night? I think that's I think that's an unwinnable That to me is untenable. That's that's not speaking to his skill level or what he can be. I just think that puts that would put somebody in an untenable situation. Well, I hear what you're saying, but I'm gonna just go back to what I just said. Okay, which guy gives us a better chance to win Saturday night under the lights of Penn State. They just make that decision. Which one of them is? Which one of the two? It doesn't matter at us which one the two gives us a better chance. That's what it comes down to. If they think it's Markiol, then it'll be Markio. If they think it's Garret Green, it'll be Garret Green. That's all it is. Let me, does anyone Does anyone know that this staff has to win this season more than the staff? No one. No one knows more than they do that they have to win this season, and they'll do everything they think to put them in the best possible position the way. I got a complaint today, Stunner. Yeah, I actually got a lot of complaints, but here's one. Here's a complaint I got today is is I wrote a promo for our coverage, and in the promo for our coverage, I said Neil Brown's job is on the line. And the complaint was they didn't think I should say that. They thought that that was you know, provocative, or I should be more pro mountaineer. And I thought about it briefly and I thought, no, that's that is a That is a story, if not the story this season, I don't know how the team does. That is an undeniable story of the season. And Neil Brown knows it. Rin Baker knows it. We all know it. Yeah, probably doesn't need to be reminded of it, but yeah, understand, Yeah, I'm not trying to remind him of it. I don't think he's sitting around listening to talk Line, probably driving any probably catches your show. I mean it's the number one rooted No, he's not, he's not. He's he's thinking, he's he's like anyway, he said something, why do you keep turning your back? You turn me off? Why do you turn me off like that to be a part of the show, and he always turn me off. You said something minute ago about not losing the game or not turning it over, And we talked so often about that. How many coaches say more teams lose games than teams win games, the whole thing, And that's one part of Garrett's game. He's got to get cleaned up, right. Neil said it, Garrett has said it. Last year, there were only six Power five teams with a worst turnover margin than West Virginia and only six Power five teams with the worst turnover margin. Now, hold on, there's there's only five If Stanford doesn't count as a Power five anymore. I don't know what they're still might have to know those poor buddies. Why would you have to take a shot at them. They're already they're in a wake situation. Now, you don't need to rub it in on their face. They know where they are. They may not be Power five soon, right, but they were last and will be effect so six. Now, that's that's two prong. That's one you can't turn it over, but you've got to do a better defensively at taking the ball away, right, So there's two parts of that. But that's a massive part of this team. As you look for areas of improvement. That's that's clearly got to how many interceptions did they have last year. I can tell you, okay, go check it. Go ahead, if you got it four you mean how many they gained only picked off four balls? Is that what you're saying, That's what you're talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. But yeah, to Brad's point, say, when I said it's a good thing, when I said it's a good thing that they were only in the six teams statistically, you're right. Four interceptions a year, which is which is really terrible. That's one every three games. Statistically, if you have a really bad turnover margin one year. It to your point about getting fifteen percent better, it does that historically, that's what it does. You'll be better than you were for the simple fact that it's really hard to be worse than you were. Yeah, find it simple, Right, six fumbles recovered, so only ten turnovers gained less than one a game. Obviously has to get better. Oh yeah, absolutely, all right. Another Neil bite from his presser earlier this week, and that is, besides the quarterbacks, who are some of the players that have stood out to him so far. I think Anthony Wilson's making a making a big jump to be ready to play. You know, he's he's one hit corner. I think Jacoby Spells has really looked good through seven practices, you know, and and my expectation was for him to be better, and he he's made plays, and he's not only made plays on defense but special teams. Beanie Bishop, well, definitely he's pushing and he's got experience, but he's got personality. He's got good energy, and he's consistent, and so he's been just from having him in the room and then going you know, just talking about some guys, Mike Lockhart made a big time play today. I think he's starting to separate himself there at that position. And then Eddie Vestinian's had a nice camp, you know, as far as will linebacker, will wait till we get through Saturday, because I think Saturday is going to be the big test there, you know, a tight end. Cole Taylor and Trailing Davis both have separated themselves. Devin Carter continues to do really good things, and I think that, you know, as far as just talking about e J. Horton made a couple of plays downfield today and so he's giving himself an opportunity to play. And then you know, Jem White, he didn't finish practice today, but given opportunities in eleven eleven, he's made big plays. All right, there you go. Heisman contender Jahime White gets the front runner, gets gets gets a mentioned. Brad was on that very early on, so he hit you there. With several defensive players and as we said, just by the nature of how statistics work, that group only forced ten turnovers all of last year. As you just heard, six recoveries on fumble and four off of interceptions, it's ten. I mean, if you just go up fifteen sixteen turnovers, can you get one plus a game? Just worlds of difference. Critical. So let's stay on the defense for a second. We know that defensive back end has to just get massively better than what it was last year. And Beanie Bishop's a guy that's been mentioned a bunch, not just by Neil Brown, but from others throughout this camp. And that's a guy hobby that comes in, played at Western Kentucky, played at Minnesota last year, comes in guys, for what it's worth, his PFF grade last year with Minnesota, their highest graded defensive player was Beanie Bishop. So that's a guy you would expect. Now it has to translate, right, you'd like to say that a lot. It's got to translate. But you have a better chance, don't you When he's been in a hour five guy that played in the Big League that you're bringing in now, he's got to stay injury free. He's got to have a good year. There's all the disclaimers we can give, but there's some comfort in that going. Okay, you've seen the guy play pretty well. Can he step up and do replicate that and go up a notch here at West Virginia that would be massive, you would call I would call Beanie Bishop a mature player. I mean I think he was. I was checking here. He was a Western Kentucky says for four years, at Minnesota for a year, so smiches covidix six years. He's played Tony in forty nine games, which isn't a ton over the course of five years. Forty nine games since a lot of games to have played in this new in this new world. So he's played a lot of games. But you know, again, right like you said, the guy's played a lot of football, There isn't there's a lot he hasn't seen. Now, you know, he's got to learn something new. He's in a different system. But if you learned it at Minnesota, then you ought to be able to learn whatever they're doing here. And he ought to be a good addition. Jacobe Spells a guy that last year, right, people was and Jacoby pell Spells has a shot now He's gonna make some mistakes last year because he was young and Okay, how far ups he stepped, So that's encouraging that he's a guy that's specifically mentioned. Anthony Wilson said, yeah, there the defensive backs. You're hearing that there's multiple guys back there. That would be a start. Quite frankly, that would be a start to just be able to rotate guys in to keep them fresh on that back end. That helps significantly. He also gave a shout out to Mike Lockhart, transfer from Georgia Tech, who played back up minutes snaps last season and okay, good, so is he emerging and he's identifying. Okay, we got a guy they can stand on top of the center's head. Okay, that's another good piece. I keep going back to that. There were so many points last year when that defense couldn't have looked worse. Right, the back ends getting towards offenses are doing whatever they want. And yet think about it, guys, you're a play away in two different games from winning seven games against a really difficult schedule with a defense that gave up thirty plus points a game and really struggled at times. That has to get better. So you're saying they were close? Are you saying they were close last year? I just said that. I mean I can go find four or five plays from the Pit game that if you give us one, give me one of those to change West Virginia wins. You just change that last roughing penalty targeting penalty by Tajal sent at the end the Kansas game. I think you win that game because they're about ready to kick a fifty plus yard field goal to try and tie the game there. So that's two plays from two different games. And again, I know they won some games where they caught some breaks too, so you would argue your counter but you don't even need to counterpoint me because I know what you're gonna say. Games where a couple yeah, point being it wasn't as to me, Yes, you were closer. So if that defense and I know this is the sliding scale, do I think they'll be better. Yes, I think they're better. All right, how much better? If we take your ten or fifteen percent better and you get ten or fifteen percent more turnovers, that leads to you being ten or fifteen percent more better. I think you're around it. I think you're right around it. Again. If the expectation is for this team, if can they get to seven, get back into a bowl game, and continue moving forward with this particular group, that seems reasonable to me against what's a very tough schedule. I realized, hold on one more player to mention, there, can we flip to the offense for just a second. I think EJ. Horton there that you heard mention, and I think he's going to play a critical part in this offense. The ability to get somebody pass the defense, to take the top off, to use the cliche, is critical for this group. You just did not have that last year. I don't know when the last time was that you did have it where you had a legitimate deep threat and the ability to get that deep threat the ball and back some of those safety some of that safety playoff. That's just massive. You've got to create some space in the middle of the field. Yeah, So practice Friday scrimmage, Saturday, off Sunday, and then off we go and school starts next week sixteenth. But they're going to keep going with camp after school starts for a couple of days. Since they're practicing in the mornings, they don't have to change anything. They're going to practice mornings throughout the throughout the year before we jump into textual healing any other thing there for the good of the order. Y'all good, We'll get into more developing, developing stories there with the players. To me, that's the part now of camp to watch and listen to is what players continue to emerge. I mean, you know, the quarterback thing is going to go right down to the couple days before the Penn State game for Neil announces it. It's those other pieces that mix in there, specifically offensively. Yeah, you're getting to the point after next week is over, then they'll phone in on here's our too deep and these are the guys are gonna get the majority the reps going into the Penn State game. All right, Conference news obviously a lot in the course of six days since last Friday's absolute implosion happened, and that is that the ACC's dance with Stanford and cal and I guess to a lesser extent SMU at this at this moment, at this moment, seems to have hit a block, and there does not seem to be agreement among the presidents of the ACC as to what they should do. And in all likelihood, and this is always the one that will come back and bite you in the butt, but in all likelihood for right now, that doesn't seem as though it's going to happen. So that's that's that, you know, so much of this stuff goes on, and I kind of put in perspective I forgot and when the history book is written about the PAC twelve Conference and its demise, which is just absolutely historic, I forgot that in twenty ten they had a chance to take six Big twelve schools and they dissis Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, they were all certain Texas Tech. Yeah, and they didn't do it. Oh did not do it. So historically that will always be looked at like they could have eliminated the Big twelve, but instead, thirteen years later, the Big Twelve, along with some assistance from the Big Ten, eliminated the PAC twelve Conference. So I thought that was I thought that was pretty pretty dug on significant. A couple of wild things that came out here in the last twenty four hours about this conference story that caught my attention. One is Notre Dame. Yes, I'm just reading this being in the school that is pushing the ACC for the two academic things, and you go, you want okay, hold on just a second here, let me ask a question. These are these are football decisions that are being made right right right, Football decisions all decisions Notre Dame, which remains independent, if I'm not mistaken, correct, they are into pend they are, They do not They are not part of the football part of the ACC. They have the same vote as the other ACC members in a football decision. See, they shouldn't they shouldn't. Huh? Notre what either in or out? That's like you know what that's like. That's like you're trying to decide on a family vacation. You invite your neighbor over, say where do you think we should go on family vacation? I mean that's because sometimes the neighbor mows my yard when I'm out of town. But I mean, seriously, how does Notre Dame like Notre Dame's pushing for Stanford and calder b in in in foot like, wait a minute, what but you're not in it brings it just to me what that is. It's the weirdness of college sports that I talk about in here all the time about the decision making process is so much harder in real life than it is for those of us up here yapping about it or the fans listening, who could come up with a thousand different ways to make this right right, But the idea is easy. It's the execution. This is one of those execution things. They gotta let have a vote so that they may someday join the conference. But they are and all of our other sports and all the other sports matter. But then you say they don't matter because you're making football only decisions the Notre Dame is involved in even though they're not playing people. I would you like to be in that meeting, be able to say, that's great, we're going to edge Stanford and Cal and Notre Dame. You know, if you come in right, you like Stanford and Cal that you want to join with them, You in, Yeah, that'd be a good meeting. That would be good. Just as you want to say, you know, they internally want to say. Some of those schools want to say, shot the up. I want to al pacino them. Yeah, they do want to al but you know all of them. Courtroom scene, hearing scene of a son of a woman. You can look that one up, all right. So that's one, just the weird. As if you needed another footnote to how weird college sports can be, there's a weird one. Hoppy number two. How how say hello to SMU down in Dallas. SMU must have sidewalks paid paid with dollars or just actual gold. Did you hear their deal? Two hundred they're offering to join the ACC and not take a revenue distribution for five to seven years two hundred million dollars worth? Right? Excuse me? Yeah, seven years times thirty million or two hundred million dollars. Yeah, they want in so badly five to seven years. Now we're good. That's wild. Yeah, that's wild when things are all about the money. Here's a school that wants in so badly to the ACC or a power four, five six? How many power leagues there are anymore? No revenue distribution? Hello, credible? So have two wild stories. It is amazing when you step back and you look at all of this, and the ACC right now is squirming. They're not happy, they're unsettled internally as to what they're gonna do. They have a deadline of next week. If a school is going to bolt, they have to notify by next week on the fifteenth August. They do not think at this time that anything is going to happen. That no one is going to say, hey, we're out because they've got nowhere to go, unless there is some absolute, beautifully stealth negotiations going on and all of a sudden, you know, more happens. But right now it looks as though they're just going to sit there and they're unsettled. They're uncomfortable, they're disjointed, which to me makes it very interesting because they were the leader in the Clubhouse of causing all this to happen to begin with. They're the ones that went and got Syracuse and Pitt and before that Miami and Virginia Tech like it was them, and everyone was lauding John Swofford, Oh what a visionary, Oh what a chess player, Oh what a great, great, wonderful moved to what he's done for the ACC, And then they sign this deal that's an absolute anvil around their throat that they cannot release until twenty thirty seven. He was heralded for this. Now they can't run fast enough away from it. It's just interesting how this whole thing is just so badly managed, badly handled to PAC twelve because of Larry Scott and George Clivkoff Cliviakoff cough cough, whatever his name is, I mean, just detonated this thing because of their lack and the presidents. I mean it's the presidents that tell the commissioner what to do. Commissioner can lead and suggest, but it's the arrogance of those presidents in the PAC twelve in twenty ten because they didn't want to dirty themselves with the Texas texts of the world, and they didn't want to dirty themselves with the Oklahoma states of the world because they were they were not primary academic. Because the socials hoop it as a result of beata PAC twelve academic instance, shouldn't. We don't want to represents with them, and as a result now they're absolutely in a crapfest. I think one of the mistakes we make, and talking about this with all due respect, is to assume that some of the people making the decisions at the collegiate level are brilliant. Yeah, you know, I don't, and I don't think how do I say this. I don't think they're launching the Space Shuttle, you know. I mean I think I think if you're putting together the space shutting and you're launching it or making a flight to the Moon, I think that those are really brilliant people who are going over and over things and testing and testing and making sure that the thing works exactly right. All these components tend to me. I don't think it's the same thing. I think it's sometimes, frankly, with all due respect, it's people get together and emotions kick in and like, oh I heard from this guy, and they're not necessarily making the best decisions, and the fear of missing out on the extra millions of dollars is driving a lot of that film. That fear of missing out is massage. Yes, here's an interesting point, real quick, and I know we won't spend the whole time here on conferenceory alignment. I read an article last night and I'm sorry I can't remember where it came from. It was. It was in a tweet Alex Hicky that used to work for Metro News here retweeted it, so if you go find Alex's Twitter handle, he retweeted and made a comment on it. But it was an interesting look into the mind or somebody's perspective on what the TV folks were thinking in this because we keep saying, what are you what are you doing with the it stopped trying to make it all national. Every game is not national. There's a regional component to this. Knock it off and this this perspective was that the TV folks in the boardroom are looking at college football and not making the bet that a Washington State fan, now that they're not going to be in the in the big time football, will become a Washington fan. They don't. They don't care about that because we know that won't happen, right, And that's part of our argument that like regionalities are saying, what's the Washington State fans supposed to do? They're not to just pick up following Washington or Oregon and start wearing purple or the green. They're just not going to do. They're Washington State people, that's who they like. And they were saying that they think the TV folks are more looking at it like they don't even care about the Washington State fan, who cares if they watch a game or not. But the guy and the Sun or the family that are New York Giant pro football fans and they're Pro football NFL more than anything else, will now look on a Saturday and see Ohio State and USC playing and know those brands, and we'll say, now I'm going to tune in. Yeah, and my god, and that very that makes sense. I can see where they think that that's a massive miscalculation on what this sport is. If you're doing that, I think right there are so many more opportunities for people to get involved in that than just trying to pick those games out. I think you're missing a huge opportunity there. Because here's the thing, hop and Alex pointed this out. This isn't my original thought. Alex point this out, and it makes sense. It's it's similar to the thinking of add Rutgers to the Big Ten because people in New York City are close to Rutgers and they'll watch Rutgers when they just will not. But I'm gonna arguments myself and then against you, because I think that I would be certain that TV has analytics and says Ohio State versus USC, that's a money man. We can sell that, that's a national game. We can sell Washington Washington State. I can't do anything with that, which is what I've said that before. That is what they're doing because local sales are becoming more and more difficult, Regional sales are more and more difficult to get. They're trying to have a national platform to get it in. But my point to you is as caretakers of the industry, for presidents and athletic directors to acquiesce to that because they have to chase the TV money. That's a tough look there, that's hard to swallow that you sacrifice entire fan bases like Washington State in order to take the money so they can put more USC Ohio State in the hopes that the NFL fans going to come over. That may or may not or maybe fleeting, but is and it's similar. I've used the NASCAR analogy before. Isn't that what NASCAR did in a way, took a really successful regional sport and tried to make it national and you got me, You got me the non NASCAR fan for a stretch of four or five years when I would go to the Coca Cola six hundred and I'd have a blast. I had a great time at those things. And I was into it, and I was going to the merchandise tent and I was buying Dale Junior hats, and I was sitting in the race and I was buying the headphones and I'm listening and I'm following it. And you had me until you didn't. And then I said, you know what, I don't have time for this. I't have time to fit another sport in. I'm out, and I walk away. That Giants fan can walk away so much easier than the three generations of Washington State fans that have been around that thing for a hundred years. See what I'm saying, it's a short term vision for what has been a long term historical sport that I think somewhere along the line it's gonna bite everybody in the ass when they come back and say we've we've consolidated here and those schools are out. What are those generations of fans do? Okay, that's my point. I see, it took me a long time to get there, No, but you got there one of these days will probably go back that way. How can it not? Yeah, one of these days at will Yeah, probably when the dollars dry up on the big stuff. It'll it'll do it. You're ready to heal, Yeah, you're ready to heal. Ye, Okay, let's heal do it textual Healing. Our line is open twenty four seven at three zero four four zero four forty eighty three three zero four four l four forty eighty three. 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Those aren't downloads, those are actual place that's audio only, audio only. Only. That doesn't include the video views through the years. So it's four million times someone obvious put their thumb down to listen to you. Pretty big accomplishment again, Thank you absolutely. Three Guys before the Game brought to us by the Burdette Camping Center right now ten thousand dollars off on an awesome Forest River travel trailer and toy hauler. Ten thousand dollars off. Check it out, go to the website at Burdette Camping dot com. Plus three thousand dollars under invoice on all of their twenty twenty two fifth wheels Texter eight. Three Guys with Hoppies New commentary comparing conference realignment to the Donner Party and cannibalism. What is the over under for cannibalism? References from now until episode eight hundred one and a half seems good. Next, Texter came in and said, did anyone have armageddon and cannibalism on their bingo card? Probably none right now, Texter or Donner Party for that matter. Wow, gentlemen, I never thought I would hear the story of the Donner Party and three guys. Hoppy did an excellent job of weaving that story into the conference armageddon discussion. I'm looking forward to his next historical reference, maybe some connection between the Titanic and the Pac twelve slash Force. Cl In Clarksburgh absolutely, Cel's terrific was a good story. Well, I mean, think about it for a second, that is, and it's maybe not it's not exactly analogus obviously, but when faced Bradwin faced was an unprecedented situation where it feels like in the Donner Party it was life or death. In conference affiliation it feels like life or death. Will you survive and thrive or will you wither on the vine. Then you make very tough decisions. You make decisions where you're gonna like, well, gotta leave somebody behind here. I think you were right on it, because it's not only that which schools did right and they left Washington State and callan Stanford or and State for dead and they left. But also what then starts happening as we talked within the people across from the table that are seemingly safe. Yeah, and you start looking side eyed at Vanderbilt and Florida State running their mouth that they need more money and don't go wake Force. I don't care how you're looking at me. Stop looking at me like that, don't care. We need to eat you. I'll eat you. Thought. I thought it was one of your one of your better efforts. Quite frankly, Yeah, well, thank you. Next week he's gonna do Blitzen and Rudolph with the Donner Party next up, Scope, Senator and Dean. I was listening to sport Line on Saturday podcast version, of course, when Scopes mentioned don Neelan's involvement with a move to the Big twelve. I paused sports Line and I went back to the July thirty first, nineteen twenty twenty three, the July thirty one, twenty twenty three thirty one twenty nineteen three Guys podcast, and I listened to it again. I highly recommend every three Guys list to go back and again. Thank coach Neilan for his pivotal role in getting wv to the Big Twelve. So we talked about this on a previous episode, or we talked about it on sports Line. But anyway, so this is three minutes long. So I think that there's been some revisionist history that has gone on with how West Virginia got into the Big Twelve Conference. So the grandfather, the grand the godfather of Mountaineer football, Don Neilan, when he visited US in twenty nineteen, this is what he said as to how West Virginia made that move into the Big Twelve Conference. Let's play that. I'm not sure you get enough credit for West Virginia's ability to jump on that life raft of the Big Twelve. I think, first and foremost it's the program you built that gave the reputation for West Virginia. But even more to the point your conversations with Chuck Ninus at the time, what do you recall about that time when it was so chaotic that even people at the highest levels of this university didn't know what we're going to happen to Western Eish program? What do you remember about that whole time? Well, to be honest, I'm pretty much. The guy that got is in it correct. Well, doctor Clements. Our president called me and then he sit down. We want to get in the Big twelve. And he said, Chuck Ninas is the guy. And he says, I understand you're great friends. I said, yep, because Ali didn't know him very well. Jim didn't know him at all. Excuse me and Chuck Ninas. You know, I worked for him for six years. There was a president, there was Alculdy, Rep. Chuck, myself, and Chuck Ninas when I worked for him as the representative of the college football coaches, was the most knowledgeable guy in America. We got almost Tony when I came here. You signed the national letter of intent in May. In May, I mean you recruited him, you lost him, You're recruited him. I mean there was some of the craziest rules. Then Chuck started to bring some sanity to it. But anyhow, Jim says, don you gotta call him, and you know, like I say, Chuck and I will the reason a lot of those jobs that was him. It was him saying, hey, you got to hire this guy was Virginia. But anyhow, and he was a Wisconsin guy. But Anyhow, I called him. I said, hey, Chuck. He said, what do you want done? He says, do you want in the lake? I said, yeah, we went in the lake. He says, well, if you say that you can compete, I'll take you. But if I take you, you have to play next year. And he said that's going to be a problem. You're gonna have to pay some people off probably, but you're gonna have to play. And he says, you're going to have to get to your governor and figure out a way to expand that airport so that when teams come in here they can land. They don't want to go to Pittsburgh. I said, well, you know, Chuck, they can They can land in Bridgeport now, which is only a half hour up the road. He said, well, I want that airport expand it. So I called Clements and said, hey, here's the deal. He said, we'll do it. So I called Chuck and says, the boss says, we'll do it. And we got in. So that's all went, Oh, there you go. But that goes back to that that is great, what a great summary by don neland of how of how simple it was, how simple it was, yet how how big it was guys, and Brad don Neilan not only was a great coacher, Don Neilan knew everybody. He knew everybody, was very involved in the Coaches Association, was a president, knew everybody, had great respect in the industry. And so he can call up Chuck, Hey, Chuck, we wanted being the Big twelve. Okay, but you gotta do I mean, imagine that. Imagine that what do you want, don What do you want? Don you want in the league? What do you want? In some ways that feels like that that conversation there was like from nineteen sixty right differently than now that just it just unfortunately of those guys rolled they were nineteen sixty guys, and in a lot of ways that that was easier and made more sense and you could navigate a little easier than what you can now text, he points out, than in that same podcast as a different textor that Neilan said that we're on our way to four sixteen team conferences and they may not be associated with the NC DOUBLEA. So Don prophet, the prophet Don Neil Texter just wanted to make sure that Brad knows that the rec pumpkins are already on sale. It just enjoyed my first good good recting it better to chocolate ratio in this Halloween stuff already out well document text. Can we get the schedules listed in Eastern time and let the rest of them do the math agree? Be a good thing? Texter, You guys mentioned the bowl tie ins on the Armageddon episode. Does the Rose Bowl now become a Big ten Big twelve match up with the demise of the PAC twelve, it would seem to be a logical move, Mike and Myrtle. Actually, Vya Buchanan, Actually, the Rose Bowl goes into the rotation in the College Football Playoff. So the Rose Bowl, as we all knew it is going away, which was happening regardless of the PAC twelve's demise that was happening this year anyway. Yes, text Joel from Atlanta. I'd like to weigh in on the senators rant about the lesser producing schools getting even shares in Power five. Senators said it's all about the Money's correct, but on the last show he was blaming the TV partners. No, they paid directly to the conferences. Rutger or Vanderbilt or Kansas, all due respect, are getting more than they deserve. That's on the conference. Florida State is right calling out the ACC because the ACC determines each school's payoff. TV networks are not to blame for unequal revenue share issue center. Would you care to reply, Yeah, thank you, Joel. I'm aware of how it's distributed. I did it for twenty years, but thank you for pointing that out. Here's my point. The TV networks are the TV networks at the issue because over thirty or forty years, schools have become so dependent on those dollars, they've had to acquiesce to them, making the decision internally correct. It's on the conferences to decide how they start to divide that out. My point was twofold in that number one, those schools at that table back to your dinner party are eventually going to start looking at the Vanderbilts in the Indiana footballs of the world and say, why are you getting the same money we are evidence Florida State already starting that. The second part of that, the Big East went down that road. That's going to be a problem for some conferences. If you acquiesce to that, that's going to create some issues internally. People may have to to that route, but that's going to create some issues. Text her the money twenty. This is a person that's advocating for a twenty team Big twelve. A silhouette of Don Sanders could be the logo that a company's the new conference name. The Big twelve grabs U contact Pitt Miami to get to twenty, create two divisions play round robin winners meeting a title game the mid East. You got U contact Pitt Miami, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Central Florida, Ia with State, Kansas, Kansas, State Midwest, the rest of them. It feels like a modern, out of the box approach. It preserves regional rivalries. Signed by Scott and Stafford. Thank you Scott. Do you see Chip Kelly, the UCLA coaches coming around in my theory of everything's a non conference game? Do you see what he threw out the other day? What did you say? Why aren't we not just having two divisions? FCS plays for their own national championship. Everybody else plays for their FPS plays for their own national championship. There's two national championships. Go about your business, no real conferences, just play into a bigger playoff. Probably because it makes too much sense, Everything's nonconference text, Tony. I just got back from a conference in Salt Lake City, great city, in the utes of a beautiful stadium. While eating at Lake Effect, a really cool cocktail bar, we met two businessmen, a Lebanese guy in a Russian This is a joke. They were in a Russian and they were in a plane. There's only one parachute. They were clearly regulars of the establishment, and they encouraged us to go to Italian place down the street. We ended up at Michelangelo's on Maine, a fantastic old school Italian restaurant. I highly recommend it. However, now I'm wondering if the place they were talking about was actually Voltaire's Osteria. Oh well, I had a great time in Salt Lake. Look forward to the opportunity to watch the world champion Mountaineers play and Rice Eccles Stadium or it is right there, pretty stadium. Have you been there? Yeah? Yeah, then for not for a game. When we were doing hot Rod Hunley our hotel. Our hotel was right near there. We walked over just to stick our head in there. Good to see everybody been in their suites hoppy, nice not for a game, he's there in the summer lines. What's the what's the school is it? Is it you tall or BYU? Who's the what's the number one year? It depends, that's on who he asks. That's a. It is a. It is an incredibly interesting situation. You've got the Church of Latter Day Saints LDS, they're all obviously by euers, and then you got the Utah people, so it's like different. Yeah. This, this gentleman continues regarding Hoppies get fifteen percent better on defense idea. I thought the same thing back when Holgersson had Geno Tavon Stebman and a horrible defense. A few years later, he marginally improved the defense and won ten games in twenty and sixteen with Skyler Howard, despite most fans were calling Howard to be a subpark QB Texter, gentlemen, your opinion on the ESPN BET having a conflict of interest in college football. They decide what games are broadcast, what time the and whether or not regional and what regions are national. Now based on potential play by people like Brad they could decide game placement, which could end up putting a BYU at ten in the morning on Sunday at home broadcast in the LA market. Of course, ESPN is too ethical to do that, and the Big twenty two wouldn't stand for it. Yeah, the ESPN bet things interesting. They've talked and there's some other people in the industry that have brought up that potential conflict of interest that may exist. Let's see how that works out. Thank you for listening. Texter Dame in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, by way of Wheeling. Hello, My wife, best friend and his wife are all headed the Happy Valley for the big opener. Looking forward to some good times with friends, some nice breweries, no hoppy inspired beer, Sadley. I simply wanted to know the perspective on the complex relationship with Paterno and penn State football. The campus and the football program are a site to behold, but it seems that there is still so much reverence for the man. His football successes are unrivaled, but his off field competence clearly not understand this might not be read on the podcast. Thank you. Yeah, So what I think about that is this, you would you would have to absolutely change my mind to tell me and convince me that Joe Paterno knew what Jerry Sandusky was doing. My thought has always been that if Jerry, if Joe Paterno had any knowledge whatsoever of what Jerry Sandusky was doing, he would have been gone in an instant. However, I do subscribe to the theory that Joe Paterno was incredibly naive, and I'd like to maintain or think that he would never ever have let that go on. But he was just clearly naive as of that happening. What have they done? I'd like to I'm not going to be there, but I mean, have they Have they erased him? Have they put in perspective statue down? Instantly? The statue is one thing, But I mean, I don't know. Do you just take him out? Do you not say his name? I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. We'll find out, Okay, report back, Thank you, hey guys. The Key West talk in the last episode brought me back to when I visited a few years ago. Being in Key West, had a nice slice of key Line pie. I found Kermit's Key Line Pie Shop, the owner originally from West Virginia. Of course, he came up with the idea to take a slice, put it on a stick and dip it in chocolate. Pure deliciousness. Always a West Virginia connection. Caleb on the Edge of the Gorge in Fayetteville ps Charles Wesley Godwin is touring with Zach Bryan, not Luke Bryan. He's much better in plays real country music. Yes, you're correct, and thank you, Caleb. I made that mistake. I said, Luke. It was Zach. I texted Earls that day and apologized, and he said, uh, no, no problem. By the way, I don't think really good Keylon pie needs anything else. Excuse me. I just think you go with Keylon pie. I don't think you need to add chocolate, which is his powerful taste. I just think you go Keylon Pie straight. I wouldn't want Like if if all was someplace and they said we have this homemade Keylon pie and we have homemade Keylon Pie dipped in chocolate, I would say I just went to Keylon Pie. Okay, I'll turn it a perspective. I don't necessarily love key Line pie. I wouldn't need a piece of Keilim pie by it. You would not. You would not you dip that bad boy in chocolate. Okay, you got my attention. Now, you got a lot of nice things going on there. Hoppy, You got that chocolate plus that tanginess from that lime. Yeah, might have something there. Texter Mac formally, if the world go around disagreements Mac formally from McDowell County, Scope Spreads and Triple Hops Brood. On a recent vacation to the Bahamas, my family and I were on an excursion boat dozens of other tourists when what played over those speakers? While none other than Sweet Caroline, My wife instantly begged me not to do it, couldn't help myself. Like any good mountaineer fan. During the chorus, I sang my part. I immediately look around in anticipation of high fives and fist bumps, only to see a boat full of confused looks and my wife's daughter and my daughter's embarrassed faces. I learned a hard lesson that day that maybe there isn't always a West Virginia connection. That one very good man, that's a good one. Behave yourself, Texter. Last year I texted you with the observation about West Virginia's success when the quarterbacks last name is a color pat white X. You know this year name observation is as follows. We're excited about the return of phenom C. J. Donaldson, A lot of hype around freshman running back d J. Oliver, are a lot of buzz of the speed of E. J. Horton, and looking on the roster, I also see we've got a kicker named r J and a tight end named t J. I expect all of the initials to be impact players by year's end. Thanks good, looking forward to great seasons and read from New Jersey. Have you worked up any pet names or nicknames yet for any of the players. You don't do that though very much to you. Yet you've done a couple over the years. Wow, I mean I've made some unbelievable ones, to be quite honest with you. Oh, such as the is stand bull for Dennis Collichla Oh yeah yeah, and uh the West Express for West Hours. Yeah that was a pretty good. Yeah it is. But I normally don't sit around at night trying to figure out they just kind of come like heat of the moment. Plus just I mean, that's like you sprinkle that you don't Yeah, you don't want to live off that? Yeah? Then you done. You become just a big cartoon yeah, big cartoon character, run around, run around like Fozzy Bear, Texter Chawamichi. I need a little help. We're flying down to Orlando in October for the Central Florida football game against our world champion Mountaineers. Is anyone driving down? If so, can they bring some Kerchivl down here for me? Y'all are the best Dano in Morgante. Geez. It would be a great promotion on our part if if we were able to get like a van and get someone to drive the van, just load the living heck out of it with cans a kerchival and do a little video series as the person drives down and arrives in Orlando and they're going to bring it to a bar that's got a West Virginia person that's running the bar, and here it is kerchivl for everybody. He could sell it there, right? Can you do that? Don't at least stupid rules, just stupid rules. I don't of rules. We wouldn't want to get anybody to lose their own liquor lins down in Florida. We could drive it to a tailgate. Yeah, you can just absolutely do it. Then, By the way, Embryo, by the way. A couple episodes ago, I may have brought up a why don't we do a food court over near fine looking pills? Stop? I heard that's taking it's taking a few steps. Stop, it's it's it's so far from being a real thing. Why do you do that? It's happening. There's a lot of things that have to happen before it happens. We're making great we're making great projects. So progress. Do you know the microphones are on? Yeah? I know that. Three guys food because it's not done. There's a brilliant there. The checklist is like four pages long. Why does a lot of things that might not come to fruition? Why does everything have to be done up this week? A lot of rules? See, that's that classic of rules pop up. That's that classic university mentality that still is in your soul that you guys get so freaking nervous to say everything if they signed off? Has downtown signed up? Has the coliseum signed off? Has the football stadium up? Does the does the Grand Chancellor of the provost of the pooh Bar's office? If they has environmental controls signed off? I don't care who's signed off. We're gonna do a food court, says the guy that's been killing presidents for making these decisions to jump conferences without thinking about it. That's typical him. He missed the entire meeting the other day. Hoppy didn't even show up to the meeting where some of these logistics were discussed, just totally missed. The adults in the room had to show up with some things that you may need to run through some attorneys, and you may need to ask some questions. So the guy that just bloviates stuff before it's time to bloviate, or are you confirming that there was a meeting, there was a meeting, I'm saying it's not. It's a go here, we gotta go. Here we go. Three guys food court near Phils, fine looking pills. I mean, what foods come in? How do you sell beer? Can you sell beer? Do you got to get from the ABCD organization? That's I'm sure those goods cost ten thousand, I mean how much weather. There's a lot of stuff. I'm sure over here just running his y app. I'm sure those good people down in Charleston at those state offices are three guys listeners. They'll probably do whatever they need to do to make sure that it has very well may be the case. So why don't we wait until all that's done before you say anything, Because I want our folks to know that there's gonna be something to look forward to. Move on, Ted from Colorado. I texted a texting I'm on both sides here. I see it. I like the energy, but also I like getting it right soon. I'm just showing up with trucks, you know, and just people getting cuffed, and people are gonna walk my here looking for food and kirchen ail it's not there. Well, it's gonna be a four pack just sitting on the ground because that's all we could get approved. First person there, it's a four pack. There's our food court. Because Skippy over here just wants to say go, and he won't. He won't be around. No, he won't do my charts couldn't be there, Ted Ted from Colorado. Rightes, a Texter took a shot at Brad on sports Line. The texter said he was not a true West Virginia born in Wyoming County, spent my entire working career in West Virginia, and I want to defend Brad and to clear him a true Mountaineer. Thank you, Ted, appreciate it. So you're not from here, God, here's fast I could all right, that's you know, we could use more people moving here. Yeah, probably that Yeah, probably can't populate a big thing on your show, right, Yeah, I mean we have our population to say. Our population has been in a gradual decline since nineteen fifty. Okay, we peaked about fifty nineteen sixty of two million and out like one point seven eight something like that. We need people to move here. Yeah, so I did. I entered the transfer portal when I was a Maryland transferred and you transferred in and then stay. I didn't just take the money. It wasn't just a money grab and stay. I just stayed here for thirty years, yeah, plus and counting. Thank you Ted from Colorado. Hey, three guys, I believe I've got a solution, although far fetched to The current conference realignment use a similar system to English football. All BCS conference champs make the playoffs. No team with more than two losses can make the playoffs. The three best records from the non Power five get promoted, worst three records get relegated. Example, Marshall goes undefeated is the only undefeated school and the non Power five. Rutgers has the worst record in the Power five. Next year Rutger is in the sun Belt, Marshall's in the Big Ten. Marshall would probably bring more eyeballs than Rutger to the Big Ten anyway. Signed by Frank Clarksburg, Us, Texter Charlie from mid Lothian Scope Spreads and Bellboy will keep it short. I liked your opening comment to the last text. Where's he been? Honored that you missed me? Hoppy or happy that I have the first showing of the effortine t shirt insert tongue click. You guys are the best? There he is still last week? Yeah, what it is? But I mean that's the guy he was happy. We mentioned guy guy runs about three tanker trucks of fuel out of one Kroger card there fills up everyone in his neighborhood. I mean, if any more attention on this, somebody for like Kroger Mann Krogers. We have high level people that listen. Yeah, I'll tell you what should happen, probably significant contexts listeners to the program. Might be nice if Kroger buys a sponsorship instead of us giving them free sponsorship. Right, Well, they're just trying to figure out why they're losing money on the case. What's going on? Why is there? Would that be great of like the undercover Kroger cops one day cuff and stuff. Charlie, No, we got what you're doing here, Charlie, moving over, put your hands behind your back, all right, Bob, they're gonna we're gonna put you in the Freedo aisle for a month. Texter, Female Texter Gail in Martinsburg. Hello, now that we're double digit days into August, as just we know, summer truly is over, yes, even though it was really over in June, according to one member of your panel. Despite this sad fact, I am cheered by two things. One anticipation of Mountaineer football this year. In two, the news report that BUCkies has applied to open a news store in Virginia. Still might have a drive of ways to go to get beaver nuggets, but at least not the Texas. I love you three Goofballs and I love the show Gayale and Martinsburg. Where's the BUCkies somewhere in Virginia? Apparently? Texter, Hey, guys, justin from Lawrenceville, New Jersey. My family and I are in bar harbor A Kadie And National Park this week. I'm walking through the hotel parking lot. I see a dude and a flying wv T shirt. Of course, I politely call out, let's go, and he says Mountaineers. He and his family were visiting from Western Pennsylvania. The next day at their resorts pool, a beautiful woman approaches me and says, nice hat to my WVU cap. Her and her husband graduated a few years for me in a native of Morgantown. Always a West Virginia connection, except on that Bahamian Bahamian boat there. Yeah, yeah, yeah to football. Do you think we will be making a trip to Temper or two Son now that they're in the league. My dad's entire family lives in Phoenix. Lots of son devil a lumps would be an awesome trip. Thanks, and keep up the good work. There's there a food up there in Maine. Oh abster, clarified butter potatoes, little rosemary seasoning. Got a corn cub there and they got a big old lobster tony. I was up there once. You would like this and it wouldn't went to a lobster place there on the bay and they like, you get two lobsters, and my wife in England, I ate three lobsters. I mean me, I ate three lobsters. Just kept eating awesome, killed it. Yeah. Uh my my oldest he goes up there every year. Oh yeah, yeah for a month. What now, yeah, big Mike, he goes up there for a month. What do you mean a month? He goes and stays there for a month. His family goes and the in laws have a house there in a place called Kenny Bunkport. You ever heard of that? I think I have. Yeah. So they go up there and they just lay around for a month, a month, a month, and they do lobster rolls and they say, these lobster rolls are just like off the chart. Nice. It's good. It's pretty nice. Yeah, pretty nice. Yeah, Texter. Hey, three guys, what do you think is preventing the separation of college football from the best of the rest of the NC two A. I would think making its own entity with its own rules, which they are already doing, would allow them to do what they want without compromising other athletic programs. Do you think we could return to regional conferences non revenue sports and let football basketball do their own thing. Thanks for all you do. Signed by Logan and Morgantown. No, because what you're saying makes sense. Too much logic and rational thought into what you're saying. Money controls The schools probably aren't going to follow the new rules they create anyway, So what's that matter? Text her, I'm massive undertaking GOP. See what I always say, trying to get everybody on the same page to make those decisions to get it done. Text He choose between the following loss combinations. Both produce the result of a six and six season. See I just copy and paces. I don't read these. These make my head hurt, all right. Option one, here's your six and sixth season. You beat Penn State, Tech, TCU, Houston, Central Florida, and Oklahoma. Includes three game losing streak in the front half of the schedule, lost to Dana. Yeah, pretty good, but contains a victory over pit Option two, you beat pit TCU, Central Florida, by U, Oklahoma and Baylor. Features an upset over Penn State to start the year, but a painful loss scattered throughout the remainder of the schedule. What do you want? I don't that kind of makes my head hurt. I can't figure all that out, but I would say this, I don't. I am not going to count. You know how, I had a couple I didn't count, like the first season, and didn't count the second season and all that. I'm not going to count the Penn State game. Excuse me, I'm not I'm not going to count the Penn State game. I just think it's a I'm putting that in a category of a scheduling, just a very very bad scheduling. A decision should not be opening with Penn State on the road and play two power fives in the non conference schedule. I'm not counting Penn State. Okay. I saw the sun of the last quarterback that won at Penn State just yesterday when we did we never won at Penn State, yeah, Fred Wyatt, But that group fifty five six somewhere, that group bet Penn State three years in a row and won it. The last team to win at state college mid nineteen fifties. There's a lot of West Virginia teams that took the trip up the Happy Valley since fifty six, fifty five, fifty six and came home. Yeah, with the goose Egg that made a couple of those. So did so host that lard? Jeff did he go back up to Penn State? So he played for West Virginia eighty two, so that eighty three he played at twice? Yeah, eight three, correct, he lost eighty two, eighty three, and Kevin White beat Penn State and eighty four. So we were up there on odd tres Pat Randolph around the right side here blocked by Scott Barrows. Dave P. Jarnette also had a nice pull block on that as well. The because it was a big deal about Jeff Hosten going back to just take college, so that that would be that would be eighty three, yeah, eighty three three Yeah. Anyway, point is major Harris went up there and lost. Bunch quarterbacks have gone up there and lost. Text her Oh Travis from Las Vegas via Polka, I'm watching the Dan Patrick Show this morning. I noticed on the opening segment Dan's wearing an effortine T shirt. What my question is, did he purchase this from Three Guys's website or did he steal the idea and make it his own. Just trying to figure out who had it first. Sorry for bad picture quality. I had a screenshot from my video no about he had at first. He's he's we've said, We've said multiple times on the show. He's the godfather of the phrase. Oh yeah, that's my father. Yeah, that's those guys there. We did nothing but steal that. Yeah. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's him. We've made probably we've made other things on this program that aren't naturally like, for example, you've seen the smiley face around that was three guys the label on Coca Cola's cans. Yeah, we created that too, as blank blank blank happens. Yeah, right, l o L we've created that. I'm just no kirchevel though is yes, yes, Kirchi. I saw Dave the other day. He came in. Excuse me, Dave, our Dave, our Dave. How did the conversation go? He was he had just driven in from somewhere obviously, sure he drives a lot. And did he chastise again and attack him for not having a home. It's just it's just an interesting relationship. He's our guy. Hey was David your meeting there over it fills about the food court. He was, Yeah, he makes things happen. He does do that. That guy makes things happen so food Court. So I guess if we've established anything that we've maybe renamed this show food Court. Done deal. You want to know what's holding it up? Brad? About six thousand rules? What about the old days you just get a bunch of a bunch of people together and just have a good, big time. You can't do that anymore nowadays, just can't. Tony's going with the apologize later approach. Brad still suffers from PTSD from the university days ptu D post traumatic university disorder. How many times do you get called on the carpet, like when you're at the university for doing something and trying to ask for forgiveness later? You ever really won because I because I follow rules? Yeah, you give me like an overdue I think I would have been a good compliance slash you would have been. What was the situation? Was one situation late that was it was touch and go. Did the folks downtown did they have a problem? One time we tried to step out and go a little bit before all sign offs were happened, it did not. Well, that's one thing we learned here working with Dale Miller for years and years. It's like, do it and then we'll do this, this and that on this. Oh okay, well we'll apologize. Yeah that was the best. That was piss on it? Do it? Do you have lawyers for Well, that's why you have private sector, public sector or two different things. Private sector just gotta do stuff, but the lawyers, well, yeah, I'll stop there. Three guys before the Game brought to us by the wonderful folks and Lou Wendell Marine Seals and Saint Albans. They sell family fund, the very same thing that Brad always tries to squash family fun Visit Loud. Someone's got to watch the details, do they not? Well that is true, right, that's true. Yes. Otherwise, like you say, it's a four pack of Kircheville sitting on the dusty parking gut, and when it comes to that, he's going to be sitting there with it, handing it out. That'll be his visit. Lou Wendell Marine Sales dot Com. Three guys before the Game brought to us by Comax Business Systems, keeping West Virginia's business data safe, secure and efficient for twenty five years. 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I heard that from my wife all the time. But yeah, when the kids were growing up, Na, Cami sports line, Cami sports line. No, can no, no, it's sports line sports line. Now, yeah, I can do that all right, see y'all. Special thank you to Jumping Jack Carlson, our producer, and Ben Lohman for graphical interfacing. We're good seeing