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Rewind: Kurt Vile and Kevin Morby on City Songs, Strange Fame, and Writing Your Way Out · Kyle Meredith With...

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's me Kyle and Meredith today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a special rewind episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to look back at a couple of interviews I did in a 2016 a 2017 with Kurt Vile and Kevin Morby both such interesting indie artists guitarists song writers both very very good at writing You sent a place song city songs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, we discussed a lot of that with both of them here
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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact let's start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So part one we're going to start with with Kurt Vile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We recorded this in 2016 Kurt had dropped in to the WFPK studio And he was promoting this record believe I'm going down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is the first time that I make Kurt was the first time a lot of people had Make her he'd been doing it for a while before this but it was one of his breakout moments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about being cartooned
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[SPEAKER_02]: into a stoner squirrel on HBO's animals about fame, arriving one weird step at a time and hanging with everyone from Cindy Lopper to Kim Gordon and Jay Mask so let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's part one of the special rewind episode it's Kyle Meredith with Kurt Vile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good day, mate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to keep you in the Australian accent the whole way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you commit to this joke?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it all went through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made no, congratulations on the new record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a you're more famous than ever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at this point Yes, I am now really him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all downhill from here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so before we get to the record though I want to ask you some because HBO's animals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is this because you've been cartoonized.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've been cartoonized It was funny when I for you know, I with my friends and such I definitely can
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[SPEAKER_03]: I always like joke that I want to be on TV, except it's not a joke, you know, like we have plenty of specifically comedy, I guess, and basically
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you know, but then all the sudden if you get on something, you can't be yourself at all chances are, but anyway, this was a way I thought I could, you know, easy to show biz and be myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And because I heard that it was just going to be me, I was going to play me as Kurt Vile, but, and then they're like, I went there and they're like, no, this just shows called animals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and you're an animal, you're a stone or squirrel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I looked over at my manager and then I looked back at myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I looked, my manager, I was like, well, is the squirrels, is the stone or squirrel's name, Kurt Vyle, and they're like, sure it can be, I was like, all right, I'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's all you need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the first half of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The sound bites they chose, they really made me a stoner squirrel, and then the second half I'm me, and I have a song in it, you know, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are you scripted in this or is this like improvisation scripted in this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was scripted in this, and I'll turn that cool, I'm happy, but like some of my adlibs got in there, like I say the second half, and the song is me, and the first half is the stoner squirrel that they bargained for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See now to me like this would be the ultimate career high like not only am I cartoon, but I'm a cartoon on HBO with a huge cast I mean, yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty much excited.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and there was I don't know if it's a secret or what but like there's like I did a little thing with John Lovitz because he's in the episode two and I had to do this little
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[SPEAKER_03]: the improv thing with John Love, it's all an actual camera of which I remember I was exhausted and really nervous so who knows if they're going to use any of that footage but you know this is this maybe one day maybe probably maybe one day I'll actually you know you'll actually I won't be an actual I won't be a cartoon you know
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[SPEAKER_02]: you get to do this for real in the flesh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, is it just a one-time thing or is this show like bring back the stoneary squirrel or?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I know, it's just one episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they stretched it out to two episodes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've got to kill off your character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's going to wonder what happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I guess we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to check on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, anyway, again, I think everybody in the world loves, believe I'm going down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of been on this high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting to watch your projection, too, your ascension.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So at the right, that's the up, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thanks, but yeah, that's I think the way I do it's it's literally just one step at a time It's never like two overwhelming because it's like one little step up every time I mean, it's a cool way to do this because you're in your 30s, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're in your 30s now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like I Guess it would be like and and I mean, I mean, I'm not blowing smoke It's not like we're talking like you two style status here any like that, but at the same time like this is
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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of a cool way to handle any kind of fame I guess like when you're a little bit further down like you know you're not the 20 year old who's just going to go out and yeah just get an all blown out of perspective yeah I like to just get a little blown out of perspective every time just a little just a little just a little fatter bubble every time
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a, it was John and whistle from the who who was talking about that like he didn't get famous until it was too late for him to enjoy fame, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when the who got famous and everything really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you're like it seems like you're not exactly that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't look that way when you, you know, No, when you watch rock and roll circus or when I guess they weren't making the money back on, you know, She'll tell me it was taking all the money from you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, that's a typical story, typical story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and we'll be right back right after this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Kyle, Meredith with Kurt Vyle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the cool story behind this album though?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is in my right and saying like this is the most complete version of Kurt Vyle yet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what I get from you talking about this record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of all the sounds that you've done before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's say so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ideally that's
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ideally, you just get to find yourself more and more, and for me, it's like, that will only keep it real, you know?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not to say one day, I won't just get into this weird realm of this concept record that's a little blown apart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of doubt it, I like to keep just being more comfortable in my own skin all the time or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, that's interesting because that's not what I get from the lyrics and maybe that's just character-based and stuff like that, but you know when you listen to this record, it almost seems like it is a record of you trying to find yourself or at least- Oh no, a new direction of yourself or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think it's just being honest that I'm not trying to find myself just like, but everybody goes through like a, you know, inner turmoil's might be, I would think so.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't, you're like a robot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: your step for dude had myself figured out by the time I was 10, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then right now that's that true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's, you know, that's what you do though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You put it on paper and you record it and you put it out into the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then everyone, I mean, I guess when you're an artist, what you want is people to take the song as their own and make it their own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But inevitably, what they'll do is they'll look at him like try to figure you out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, through everything on paper and in his is what they're taking kind of an accurate picture of you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I think it's simple enough not to not to detail oriented to you can apply it, you know, to your own life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's ultimately everybody's wants to bring it back to themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, and then also they could, uh, because everything is in, uh, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first person?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, everything, you know, they could apply it to me, too, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could start applying it in the third person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's your next record here, of course, in Curtin all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything is just using the name or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing I've enjoyed lately in your interviews is the way you actually talk about your back catalogue because I feel like artists separate themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of times, they want to separate themselves from stuff they've already done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you talk about it like a music geek talks about other people's records, you know, and you talk about yours like it's not yours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I talked about like, it's mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's mine, but yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for me, it's sort of like we said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm proud of everything that I was lucky enough to have a real label put out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can, it's also a good timeline to reference.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember years, but in exactly what I was recording and where I was, my head was at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I definitely have self-released CDRs,
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know that date back further than 2008 and nine one of my first records came out that I'm not proud of every song, but I'm pretty you know nothing out there I might have grown you know a little bit but nothing out there that I put out in my embarrassed by her some of that you're looking to take back or something like that and if it there was maybe one day I'll I'll tell you know I'll write off the past a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: re-record the entire past and rewrite it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's led to some cool stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You went from playing with Cindy Lopper to Kim Gordon, which I'm double-invious in one of the things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you have to re-gear yourself when you're playing with those extremes of type of musical people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or do you just wait for them to come to your own style?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, that was a good weekend long weekend or
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had just gotten back from Europe or something, and it was like the holidays, and I played the only semi weird thing, but I was still excited, it's my, I love Cindy Lopper and my, my daughters, it's actually their favorite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: artists, these days and my wife's and she grew up listening to her too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's doesn't vibe to play this benefit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Kim Gordon and Jay Mascus was that week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're friends of mine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, they were my idols when I was younger.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they still are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we know each other enough now that it's more natural and comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the Cindy Lauper thing that was a whole other kind of worm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's very, you know, she's from another planet of like 80's fame.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she's really sweet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I remember,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went in there to rehearse and I had this massive petal board only because I didn't know what petals I was going to use.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But she was like, uh, she started playing and she was like, honey, you sound great, but you're effin' loud.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, and then I was like, oh, sorry, I'll
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll turn down my amp, you know, that's not no problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And always like, yeah, I mean, whatever all these pedals for, that's for making it louder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just hit the pedals if you want to make it louder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm only using, I'm only using actually two of these pedals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, well, what's all the rest for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in the air in New York.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to stand up to Cindy Lapper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, what's the rest for?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I just didn't know which one I was going to use.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay, Han.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to guess that's not something you can prepare yourself for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like this is what I've got to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to get prepared for Cindy Lover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's fun, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I even enjoyed watching all of it happen and the new record and everything and there's some other cool stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I noticed on your website, like you're getting people to vote, like I guess you're becoming a part of that, you know, seen by doing that as well?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope we're getting people to vote, and that's like a thing we agreed to do, or that those concerts that deal with that, but that wasn't, it's not like I started that organization or anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of, you know, I don't know, I don't know if it's, I tell you see it's like you just get out there voting or you're trying to be a part of that conversation, you're trying to be, you know, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in that whole world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: President, fordbile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's anybody can do it these days.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good talk to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be right back right after this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Mirthari, part two of this special rewind episode takes us to 2017 just a year after that Kurt Vile interview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I met up with Kevin Morby backstage at that year as a Bonner of Festival, he had just released his fourth album in five years at that point called City Music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: as his own answer to the album before that singing saw which itself was sort of set in Los Angeles every just move there, that then city song came out and it was the opposite of all that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He set that album in New York and gave it themes of isolation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and and found them playing the part of a reclusive elderly woman at one part of it too and threw in some tribute to the remains in Jim Carroll so let's get into this part two of the special rewind episode it's Kyle Meredith with Kevin Morby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: City music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: City music.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What fourth record in five years?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was one year that I did not release a record but I think that the way it all works it has been four records in four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that a, you know, people make a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But because it's unique, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where do the ideas come from when you've got to do it so quick like that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because I've heard some themes about this record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A loose concept of being lonely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a New York record, which I always feel like those two things usually go hand in hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, you know, again, that many records I want are you always looking for something to kind of tie it all in together?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it just you've been on a roll and it's been coming?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess maybe I've just been on a roll knock on wood, but I don't have a very speedy personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of things very quickly and I get sick of things really quickly, so I'm kind of always making something and then putting it out and then on to the next thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice for these moments here that you don't have to talk about the same record for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Always something new to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well about that concept.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a true statement or is that something the press came up with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote a record that it came out last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was very autobiographical about having just moved to LA in my life in LA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I almost in response to that, I wrote this record, which is sort of a fictitious take on a similar theme, which is just being feeling kind of the way that I was feeling, but in a different landscape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, New York always seems to be when someone talks about loneliness, if you're going to make a movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure, but yeah, it's gonna be said in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's ironic because it's you know, it's such a it's there's so many people who live there Yeah, but hearing sort of uh, I don't know hearing you call up like I will say that the you know the song with um with one two three four
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's so much music out there and we hear so much music and it's hard to always get that excited about something new but I was so excited the first time I heard that song that's cool because there's so much happening there that you know it's I mean there's an nostalgia factor playing a part of it yeah for sure yeah but but it's you know it's its own thing you got Jim Carroll you got the remoines and then and and and I it's something very under your can't thinking about um and I don't know if this is probably not intentional
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit of the same beat in there, but it's actually with a Jim Carroll and the Ramones.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, is there a story behind the song?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where does that song come from?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does it start?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That song honestly, I wrote a sort of a joke, and I wanted to be called hashtag 1-2-3-4.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the hashtag 1234 somewhere and I was like, oh, that'd be funny to write a song about that and make it an homage to the remoines because in my mind, when I think of those numbers, I think of the remoines, you know, turning off a song.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just launching into a song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, okay, well, I'll write a song that you know, talks about the numbers 1 234 and I'll make it a punk song because that's popular in punk music and then while I was doing it, I was like, well, what better way to make it an homage to the remoines than to just kind of fire off all their names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then once I had done that, I was like, and then wouldn't it be funny if I use a gym carol there, if you want my favorite gym carol songs to sort of tie a bow on the whole thing and that's what I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so glad you did because if you know the gym carol song, it's almost new was leading there, but of course the first time you hear it, right, right, right, right, but like there it is and it's that fist in the ear, and it's funny to, you know, not everyone knows who gym carol is and if they do, maybe they know him from basketball diaries or something, and they don't necessarily know that song, but um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people don't pick up on the fact that it's a Jim Carolear right after their names, so and they think I wrote it, but the people who do and they understand it, I think they kind of laugh to themselves, they're like, oh, you know, and he's also from the same time period of, you know, the Ramones and CBGBs and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good insight thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's got a nerdy song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're nerds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're nerds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I were here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other part about this record I've heard is it's more of a collaborative record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure and when you're doing a solo record because it's the Kevin more be record everything I mean, I don't know you have to give up certain places to that Well, I don't know where's the line where it's not exactly a solo record anymore that this is just a band record under your name I mean, there's definitely a line for that I think this one's probably right under that line and most my records have been like hiring different musicians to come in and You know play different things and bring in different organ players and drummers and get a horn section and blah, blah, blah
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make a representation of my live show because my records have always been kind of bigger than my live show And then I just go out with you know two or three people my live band and we kind of have a rock and roll show and I was like well I want to document that so this record is is the representation of that yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you look back now, especially as you've got this mind constantly, you want to keep creating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did the bands hold you back?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did your old bands was that something that held you back from being able to just go full on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was in the babies for a long time, and that was my creative outlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when I was in that pan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's just a lot of pros and cons to being in a set band.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, a big con for me was just the fact that it had to be the same people all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, everything was democratic in this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it had to kind of slowly always come to decisions together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it works, it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, I just wanted to sort of begin my solo career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I could try to try on many different suits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, just have complete freedom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the way you play with everything, like I'm hearing you sort of play with gender roles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a story on Facebook, I'm not really sure that came with where you kind of take the role of the wife as the narrator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it seems to mean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course there's a song, one of the first singles you do it as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like to play with gender like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, so I wrote this from sort of the standpoint of a woman who's reclusive living in New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost sort of like, well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I came about is that I was writing singing saw which am I my previous record and it's all very autobiographical So I was kind of like I want to make the exact opposite of this record with the same theme So I'm gonna write it from an old woman's perspective living in New York because I'm a young man living in Los Angeles
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[SPEAKER_01]: And things like that, it's like assignments that I give myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you have a general theme or you have a general goal, and you know what you're working towards, then you just have to fill in the gaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when it becomes fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, I've heard writers say you write the beginning middle and end, but the hard part is tying all these things together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that kind of being like, oh, I'm going to write from an older woman who's a reclusive living in this anonymous uptown Manhattan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That gives me like my beginning middle and end, and then you just have to fill in the blanks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a, I don't like a Brian Eno or Charlie Kaufman thing or you know where they do the word play like Scattering all this stuff on the table and sort of piece of it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's fun too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean words are really fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, it's like, it's like scrabble, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes for good music.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love your music man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll do this again next year when you release a double album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is my plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I started working on already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there you go, Kevin, more be on the special rewind episode.
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