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When Culture Collides With Christ · Unashamed Table Talk

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SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness, y'all.
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SPEAKER_03: We were at the dollar store a few minutes ago and we were looking for something in particular.
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SPEAKER_03: And I said it and then I questioned myself.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't think it even sounded weird.
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SPEAKER_01: That's I was like, what are you questioning?
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SPEAKER_03: Fly flashwater.
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SPEAKER_01: Flashwater.
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SPEAKER_03: I think it's supposed to be fly swater.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it is if you're going to talk like this, then it is a fly swater.
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SPEAKER_03: Flicewater.
0:38
SPEAKER_03: It sounds like flies water.
0:43
SPEAKER_03: Get just getting a little water for the flies.
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SPEAKER_03: Flies water.
0:46
SPEAKER_03: Flies water.
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SPEAKER_03: Flies water.
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SPEAKER_03: Flice.
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SPEAKER_03: What is a flice?
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SPEAKER_01: Flice?
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unknown: Water.
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SPEAKER_03: Flice water.
0:52
SPEAKER_03: See?
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SPEAKER_03: See?
0:53
SPEAKER_03: That ain't even a word.
0:54
SPEAKER_03: But you gotta say it altogether because if you say flies water.
0:58
SPEAKER_03: I do, flies water.
1:02
SPEAKER_03: But when I asked the lady at the desk, she knew exactly what I meant.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: And I knew what you meant.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: Did no one say what you giving flies water for?
1:12
SPEAKER_03: I think it's one of those Texas slang things that we say.
1:16
SPEAKER_03: And uh.
1:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, want to.
1:19
SPEAKER_03: But just listen to me.
1:20
SPEAKER_03: Nevertheless.
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SPEAKER_03: No, but I'm sure you'll hear several of them in the next 30 minutes.
1:26
SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Real Table Talk.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: I am PJ Gary.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: And I'm Denise Bowen.
1:32
SPEAKER_01: So good to have you today.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: It's super fun.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: A couple of crazy knuckleheads that just love getting into God's word together.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: We've had so many conversations and we've battled where to go in this because we're in a hot political season and we're never one to shy away from hot, hot topics.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: We like that, but we also are not super politically charged.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: So we've just battled what are we going to talk about.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: And I was recently preparing for an event for a pro-life fundraiser, and I started to do a bunch of research, and I came across this nonprofit, and it's called, I don't even want to say the name of it because I don't want anyone to even know what it is, but it's called, I mean, should I show it?
2:18
SPEAKER_03: I think you should say it so that no one gives to it unknowingly.
2:23
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
2:24
SPEAKER_03: You know, and can kind of pass the word to shut this place down.
2:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
2:28
SPEAKER_03: Well, it's called Jane's Due Process.
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SPEAKER_03: Catch it on fire.
2:33
SPEAKER_03: Let's do something.
2:34
SPEAKER_03: It's I'm just kidding, folks.
2:36
SPEAKER_03: I'm just kidding.
2:36
SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna go catch it on fire.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: They catch it on fire with Denise Bowens as an alibi.
2:41
SPEAKER_01: She was with me in far now, Texas.
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SPEAKER_01: We're under a burn ban.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm doing the research and I come across several nonprofits, but one in particular, called Jane's Due Process.
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SPEAKER_01: And their entire mission is to pay and support women and young girls under the age of 18.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're 18, you do not qualify for their services.
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SPEAKER_01: You have to be 17 or younger.
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SPEAKER_01: And they will pay to sneak you out of Texas.
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SPEAKER_01: They will pay for your transportation, your flights, your hotel room, your abortion experience up to term.
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SPEAKER_01: They'll take you to any of the nine states that still will have an abortion.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's nine states plus DC that will allow you to have no term limits for an abortion, pay for your aftercare, and then get you back home, all without any parental consent.
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SPEAKER_01: The very first thing that pops up on their website was if you have to click out of this immediately, press escape twice.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: So that if your parents walk in or whoever walk in to your 14-year-old bedroom and see you on the computer and you have to close out of this quickly, just press escape twice so that you don't get caught.
4:05
SPEAKER_03: There's so much wrong with this.
4:07
SPEAKER_03: So much wrong with it.
4:09
SPEAKER_03: The first thing is how do you take someone a minor on a plane or driving or whatever out of the state, how do you do that without parental consent?
4:25
SPEAKER_03: Like, how is that okay?
4:26
SPEAKER_03: How is that not like kidnapping, whatever?
4:30
SPEAKER_03: Okay, because look here, if a guy, if a grown man was to sexually assault a girl, or even if they're in a relationship but he's 21 and he's 16, that parent can take that 21-year-old or whatever age I said to court because he took advantage of.
4:52
SPEAKER_03: So how do they get to sneak them out of the state?
4:55
SPEAKER_03: How is this place even in business?
4:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm telling you, Google it.
4:57
SPEAKER_03: If I'm lying, I'm dying.
4:59
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I believe you, but I'm just saying, like, how do they legally, how do they get by with that?
5:04
SPEAKER_01: They, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: They have people fighting to make it possible.
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SPEAKER_01: And they can, I don't, I don't know.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: I didn't go into that part of it.
5:13
SPEAKER_01: My main thing I was looking at, because I was doing a fundraiser for a pro life ministry, and really what where I was going with is I was boiling down that so abortion is illegal in Texas, so what?
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SPEAKER_01: Basically, we have to have pregnancy centers that support women with unplanned pregnancies, women in families who are in a situation with an unplanned pregnancy because there are people paying literally thousands upon thousands of dollars to help get you into a state so that you can have an abortion.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: And it blew my mind.
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SPEAKER_01: There are there's other ones that help adults.
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SPEAKER_01: In fact, one of the things on the FAQs on this website, it says that if you're 18, please we can we have to verify your age because we only help women under seven, you know, 17 and under.
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SPEAKER_01: There's plenty of other resources for women 18 and older for adults, but there's nothing for minors, so they only help minors.
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SPEAKER_01: I did some just some like research, and and I'll confess AI helped me with it, but it pulled all of the data to do if it was a second trimester abortion, which is highly plausible.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: If you're looking at an underage girl that found out she was pregnant and then had to make arrangements to get out of the state and all of the things, it's very plausible.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: She's probably at least early second trimester.
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SPEAKER_01: It was anywhere between five and twelve thousand dollars per girl by the time you pay for plane tickets or bus tickets, transportation, hotel, and the abortion procedure per person.
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SPEAKER_03: And so they pay for this, they pay for it completely.
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SPEAKER_03: You because they have all these millionaires and people that are donating this money to have this happen.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I and my whole point was I was I was serving the Trotterhouse nonprofit for pregnancy center, and and their goal for that night was$92,000.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of money.
7:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But do the math.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so also they had helped 63 minors get abortions last year.
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SPEAKER_01: Who did?
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SPEAKER_01: The James Du Process.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, not Trotterhouse.
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SPEAKER_01: No, no, not Trotter House.
7:36
SPEAKER_01: Explain what Trotterhouse is real quick.
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SPEAKER_01: House is a pregnancy resource center in Lindale, Texas that helps support women and couples who are facing unplanned pregnancies.
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SPEAKER_01: They do ultrasounds, pregnancy tests, all for free.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: They have parenting classes, they have a store, they help you with diapers or formula, clothing, bedding, whatever you need for your baby.
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SPEAKER_01: And they have classes to help you prepare to be a parent, basically.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a really amazing ministry.
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SPEAKER_03: So your point is they're trying to raise$92,000 to keep babies alive.
8:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And they're they're needing you to help bring in this money to talk to people.
8:18
SPEAKER_03: And then you have this other place over here that's sneaking girls, young girls, out of the state to take them to terminate, and they have no problem raising or New Mexico or wherever.
8:29
SPEAKER_03: And they have no problem raising the money they need to raise.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: It's sure they do.
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SPEAKER_03: Because that is the stupid the world we live in.
8:39
SPEAKER_03: I'm just so for all of you listening that's just hearing this for the first time, I'm just hearing it for the first time as well, because she started to talk about it, BJ did, and I stopped her and I said, This is the podcast.
8:50
SPEAKER_03: So we hit record, and that just fires me up.
8:53
SPEAKER_03: I've already mentioned that I've been reading the book Contend, Philip Anthony Mitchell, and all through that book he talks about how deceived and where our world is today, and Christianity, and all of this, and how little by little we are losing ground.
9:09
SPEAKER_03: And as I've been reading this, and then as I've been going and speaking places, I've just been feeling very strongly to just say what I mean and mean what I say.
9:23
SPEAKER_03: And if they invite me back, fantastic.
9:25
SPEAKER_03: And if they don't, then oh well.
9:28
SPEAKER_03: But I want to stick to the word and speak truth.
9:30
SPEAKER_03: I'm so tired of sugarcoating.
9:33
SPEAKER_03: I I never really sugarcoat a whole lot to begin with, but now I just feel like I'm just put it all out there, right?
9:40
SPEAKER_03: And like it's these stories like this right here that just burns me.
9:45
SPEAKER_03: That's the world we live in.
9:47
SPEAKER_03: So on one hand, it makes me very angry.
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SPEAKER_03: And then on the other hand, I'm not even surprised.
9:56
SPEAKER_03: But does, like I am, but I'm not.
10:00
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm surprised.
10:01
SPEAKER_03: But I know the word tells us that we are going to live in those type of days that we're in right now, and it's not going to ever get better as much as we try.
10:11
SPEAKER_03: And I don't think we should give up trying.
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SPEAKER_03: I think we should fight till till our death.
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SPEAKER_03: But we know that the world's going to come to an end, and it's only going to get worse the closer it gets to the time for Jesus to come back.
10:24
SPEAKER_03: It's just going to get worse, not better.
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SPEAKER_03: Still fight for what's right.
10:29
SPEAKER_03: Same thing with the politics.
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SPEAKER_03: When we first came on, BJ mentioned we're not very politically charged.
10:35
SPEAKER_03: We just spoke about this.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: So I'll say we both believe that we should vote for whoever lines up most biblically.
10:43
SPEAKER_03: Here's the thing: none of them are really very biblical, right?
10:48
SPEAKER_03: But there are some that what they're standing for lines up more for the word of God than what what others stand for.
10:56
SPEAKER_03: But we can't really get into a big long debate or conversation about politics because neither one of us really keep up with a whole lot of it.
11:06
SPEAKER_03: So I couldn't even tell y'all a thing.
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SPEAKER_03: A while ago, I said, how long does a president stay in?
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SPEAKER_03: I know who the president is every year, or not every year, see, every four years.
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SPEAKER_03: I know who's running when it's time and all of that.
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SPEAKER_03: And I look to see who believes in what.
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SPEAKER_03: And here's the deal.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: But we're just not so versed that we can go out and preach about one person's, you know, stances versus the other.
11:41
SPEAKER_03: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: In general.
11:43
SPEAKER_03: But I will for myself, I will say some of the commercials I've seen, some of the reels I've seen, the interviews I've seen, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna say it.
11:52
SPEAKER_03: BJ don't have to say nothing, but I'm just gonna say it.
11:55
SPEAKER_03: The Tylerico guy, however, you even say his name, look, if you're listening to me right now and you're like, that's who I'm voting for, that's your business.
12:03
SPEAKER_03: It's your right.
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SPEAKER_03: You live in the United States and we have a freedom to write to vote for whoever we want to.
12:08
SPEAKER_03: But if you know the Lord, I think any of us who know the Lord and say that we are believers in Christ, if we can vote for somebody who is going against so many things that stands for abortion, who says it's okay, that says that there's six different sexes, look, it that's just ridiculous.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: And like, well, it's kind of scary, really.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's so charismatic, and he's such a smooth talker.
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SPEAKER_01: And I mean, even like people that I love, I mean, I I've shared with you, people that I love are passionate about this guy, and they're thinking that he loves the Lord because he's very preacher-y and he talks about Jesus and he loves Jesus, and we're we got more in common than we do different, and all of these things, and it it breaks my heart because there's so much deception in the things that he says.
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SPEAKER_03: I just I just believe that the enemy is work, he works through politics, he works through everything, and I think there are many people in this world who have certain titles, whether it's politics, whether it's musicians, whether it's actors, whatever it is, they have a certain place in this world that we know their name, we know who they are because of their status, or like I say, on TV or whatever.
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SPEAKER_03: But they take advantage of that position that they had.
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SPEAKER_03: The enemy uses them as a tool to sway the world to things that are not of God.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think he just works, he works through all of us if he can, if we let him.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: If we let him use me before, right, and like I hope that me too.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: Like I hope it's less and less every day that I'm alive.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: But the enemy can use me to hurt people all the time because I get in my flesh, I get in my feelings, I'm stupid, I speak before I think more often than I think before I speak.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: And like it's a whole thing, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, the enemy is very good at using people that love Jesus.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: I have watched videos of Talarico, and I can just tell you the things that he stands for.
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SPEAKER_03: I can't, for me, this is me personally, I can't in good conscience vote for him.
14:26
SPEAKER_03: I did not vote for him, I've already voted.
14:28
SPEAKER_03: That doesn't mean that the other person is 100% online with the Lord.
14:32
SPEAKER_03: No, it doesn't.
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SPEAKER_03: It I'm just saying it's like you're picking the less of two evils in all of in all of politics.
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SPEAKER_03: Because there's a thing, if honestly, we can't trust nobody, right?
14:42
SPEAKER_03: We we don't know.
14:43
SPEAKER_03: They tell us what we want to hear, I think, because they're trying to get votes, you know, like anyway.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I think that the conservatives try to they tend to vote towards a conservative stance, whether they believe it or not.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, so they're going to, in general, vote closer to my personal convictions versus the not conservatives.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean either one of them love Jesus.
15:11
SPEAKER_03: Exactly right.
15:11
SPEAKER_03: And that's my point.
15:12
SPEAKER_03: But look, as Christians, I just think we have to answer to the Lord.
15:17
SPEAKER_03: That's who we have to answer to.
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SPEAKER_03: It's not to our family, it's not to our friends, it's not to a politician, it's not to who we have to answer to at the end of the day is the Lord.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: Well, and it shouldn't be.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: I think I don't remember if it was something that I watched of Josh Howerton or if it was, I've got several friends that are very bullet, very big in the political stuff.
15:39
SPEAKER_01: Joel Inge is the one.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: He actually got to open for prayer for vice president's events when he was in Tyler a few days ago, which was kind of cool.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: Again, whether you love the vice president or hate him, it's cool that you get to open for prayer from the vice president.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, so that was a really big honor for him.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: But I don't remember if it was him or another friend of mine, Stanley Coffer, but very conservative men that work with the Texas Minority Coalition.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: But basically, it was somebody said it's you should not be voting based on somebody's color by somebody's sex, male or female.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: To to like, I don't even know if I what I think about a female president or not.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm all about I am woman, hear me roar.
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SPEAKER_01: I think women can be bold and strong and all the things, but ultimately you should be voting on your convictions, not because of somebody's color, not because if they're male or female, not because women's rights, women's rights, whatever, that you should be voting on your convictions.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just, and I know, like I know I have people that I know that love Jesus that are voting for Tel Rico and for other liberal, you know, stances.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: And in my brain, I just cannot, I don't understand that.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you can vote for somebody who goes so against the word of God.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:07
SPEAKER_03: I don't either.
17:08
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't get it.
17:09
SPEAKER_03: And you may be listening right now and say, I love Jesus and I am voting for him.
17:14
SPEAKER_03: And if that's you, then again, that's your right.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: And here's the other thing is it's okay for us to disagree.
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SPEAKER_01: If you vote completely opposite from our conservative stances, that's okay.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: It's your right, we're gonna love you, but you still be invited to our retreats, to our conferences.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: We'll go have coffee.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I won't have coffee because I'll have a diet, Dr.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Pepper.
17:39
SPEAKER_01: You can have a coffee, let's get some donuts, let's have a conversation, let's just talk about Jesus, dig into the word, leave politics out of it if we need to.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: We can disagree and be friends right on lots of things.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: Right.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a it's that statement, agree to disagree type thing.
17:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and here's the thing, we can do that, but you may be listening and you may be like, forget it, you may be cutting us off right now, and say, I'm done with BJ and Denise.
18:06
SPEAKER_03: But I told BJ before we got on here, I was like, we wasn't specifically gonna get into politics, but I said if we do, I'm telling you what, like, I'm tired of skirting around things.
18:15
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't want to lose anybody from listening to us.
18:18
SPEAKER_03: But I also I would rather lose people from listening than to say something that goes against what I feel like God's telling us to do.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: To skirt around issues and to because we don't want to hurt somebody's feelings, tickle the ears of our listeners.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: And like we are trying so hard to build the audience of this, and we don't want anyone to quit listening because of a vote, but we do have to speak truth the way we feel it is presented to us.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:46
SPEAKER_03: So going back to this place that James due process, man.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: I I don't know if there's any like there's gotta be something that can be done.
18:57
SPEAKER_03: Surely somebody's trying to shut this place down.
19:00
SPEAKER_01: They also, oh, there's so much just shy of 5,000 kits.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: It was like 4,733, I think.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: I can get the exact number.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: It's on their website.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: You can find it.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: What if if I'm giving you the wrong number, it was almost 5,000 kits that include two pills of the plan B pill, which is the morning after pill that you can take within so many days of having unplanned sex, condoms.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember what all there was in this kit, but several things to you know help you to not have pregnant.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: Not get pregnant.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: So but a killer, depending on your stance of when life is conceived, if you believe that life begins at conception, this is the whole deal about plan B, the plan B pill, is some people say, well, it doesn't, it's not an abortive, you know, pill because it stops the baby from being implanted, so it's not an abortion.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: But most people that I talk to believe that life begins at conception, not implantation.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: And so if the baby has been conceived and then it doesn't allow it to continue on to grow, then it is an abortive, you know, pill.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: But they gave out almost 5,000 of those kids last year to minors.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the thing: this is what's also sick is plan B, even in Texas, you can go to Walmart and a 12-year-old, an eight-year-old can buy the plan B pill over the counter.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: There's no driver's license required, there's no nothing.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: To buy spray paint, I am 51 years old.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: To buy spray paint, I have to show my ID.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: Me too.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: But an eight-year-old, a five-year-old for that matter, can buy a plan B pill across the counter.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: They're not under lock and key.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they might be under lock and key for theft, but not because of ID.
21:04
SPEAKER_03: Golly, like I didn't even know any of this stuff.
21:07
SPEAKER_03: Right.
21:07
SPEAKER_03: That's just that's just crazy.
21:09
SPEAKER_03: And and most of y'all know both of our stories, but some of you may be listening and you don't know.
21:15
SPEAKER_03: And obviously, we're sitting here saying we are against abortion, and we have both aborted a child before.
21:22
SPEAKER_03: And so even though we have done that, uh, we are against it.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: I I I just remember well, I can't even tell you like how many years ago it was.
21:31
SPEAKER_03: Well, we're fixing to be married 30 years.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: Fixing.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: That's one of them words.
21:35
SPEAKER_02: Swice water and fixing swice water.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: That's what I just said.
21:41
SPEAKER_03: Slice water and fixing.
21:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, but we're about to be married 30 years, and it was before we got married.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:50
SPEAKER_03: And found out that I was pregnant, didn't tell a soul, and gotten my vehicle, and I drove to Shreeport, Louisiana, didn't tell anybody, went by myself.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: The only person who knew that I was going was my now husband.
22:04
SPEAKER_03: And I remember going there and there were people standing out there picketing.
22:09
SPEAKER_03: I did not know the Lord yet.
22:11
SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, that's not really an excuse because when I got there, they're picketing.
22:17
SPEAKER_03: I'm sitting in the waiting room.
22:19
SPEAKER_03: I've shared this story before, but there's two ladies talking beside me.
22:24
SPEAKER_03: And I don't remember what number they said, but they were talking, and the lady says, Look, it really ain't no big deal.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: It don't take but a minute.
22:31
SPEAKER_03: I've done this.
22:32
SPEAKER_03: It was like multiple times.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: It was like five, six, seven, eight times, you know.
22:36
SPEAKER_03: And I'm sitting here about to do the same thing for the first time.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: All of a sudden, righteous.
22:42
SPEAKER_03: All of a sudden, righteous.
22:43
SPEAKER_03: Because I look at them and I'm like, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, you've been in here like seven times.
22:48
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm in my mind, I'm thinking, do you not know what causes that?
22:53
SPEAKER_03: Although I'm doing the same thing pretty regularly, you know, like a and but at that moment I knew that it was wrong.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: Like I remember having that feeling of leaving.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but that is because the Ten Commandments were written on man's heart long before they were written in stone.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: And we have mentioned that before, but we know right from wrong.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: We do whether you want to admit it or not, or own up to it, whether you know Jesus or not, the law of the Lord is written on man's heart.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: We know right from wrong.
23:23
SPEAKER_01: We have a conscience.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: We may not have the Holy Spirit living us if we're lost.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: We don't, but we know right from wrong.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: That's why you have these people that can be amazing human beings, right fighters, doing great things for the world, but losses can be because good people.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Good people can be good without knowing the Lord.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: Because we know right from wrong.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: It's written on our heart.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: That's how you knew.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and we talked about that on here before.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: There's gonna be a lot of good people in health.
23:51
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
23:51
SPEAKER_03: Because they never surrendered to the Lord.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: And and yeah, so I knew what I was doing was wrong.
23:57
SPEAKER_03: I and I blocked just blocked it out.
23:59
SPEAKER_03: I will also say back then, it was also to me.
24:05
SPEAKER_03: I just remember I was thinking like it was kind of a new thing.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: Wasn't necessarily a new thing, but in my brain, look, we didn't have social media, right?
24:13
SPEAKER_03: We didn't have all these things we have today.
24:16
SPEAKER_03: And it's legal.
24:17
SPEAKER_03: Right.
24:18
SPEAKER_03: Over there, it was legal.
24:20
SPEAKER_03: And in my brain, the way I justified it was it's just this cell, it's just this blob of something that I'm going to abort it and get it out before it turns into a baby.
24:32
SPEAKER_03: And and I didn't go searching it, I didn't research to find out, okay, is that really what I'm doing?
24:37
SPEAKER_03: No, that's what I wanted to hear.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: Because that made me feel better about the choice I was making.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: And 30 years ago, that was the abortion agenda.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: They they they really touted that that this is not, it's just a club of tissue, it's just tissue, it's not a baby.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: Now they don't say that because science has proven, like we have technology that's proven life is life.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: But 30 years ago, it was very common for you to be told it's not a baby.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: You have you're way ahead of the schedule before it's a baby, there's no life there, just get rid of the problem.
25:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: It's just, it's just crazy.
25:13
SPEAKER_03: Like I just remembered, I remember, yeah, they have you watch a little video to make sure you still want to do, you know, you're still in agreement.
25:22
SPEAKER_03: I had to watch this little, this little film.
25:25
SPEAKER_03: I can't even tell you what it what was on it.
25:27
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't know.
25:28
SPEAKER_03: But I knew it was wrong.
25:30
SPEAKER_03: I went home, and the first thing I did was walk in my apartment, go take a shower, get drunk, and go to bed.
25:36
SPEAKER_03: That right there tells you, you know, you just did something you weren't supposed to do.
25:40
SPEAKER_03: I was numbing it.
25:41
SPEAKER_03: The next day I got up, I went to work, and I started just in my head, I act like nothing ever happened.
25:46
SPEAKER_03: Like, I went a long time, nobody knew.
25:48
SPEAKER_03: And even when I told, there wasn't but a couple of people that knew, you know.
25:51
SPEAKER_03: Then maybe you're listening and you have had an abortion yourself.
25:55
SPEAKER_03: And we just want you to know, like, we understand that grief and that pain and that hurt and and even the coldness towards it.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, for years, I remember thinking I could never tell someone not to have an abortion because what a hypocrite.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, how could I ever tell somebody not to have an abortion?
26:14
SPEAKER_01: I had two, like, ew, like, I can't tell you not to do that.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: I understand why you're gonna have this.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: I understand why this is your only thought for whatever your reason is.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: And what I've learned now is that because I know the truth of abortion, my voice best be the loudest out there.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Because I know the hurt, I know the devastation that comes from ending two of my own babies' lives.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, yeah.
26:41
SPEAKER_03: So it just comes back to we are living in such a jacked-up world where you can go and take minors and sneak them off.
26:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean, your words were sneak them off to go do this.
26:54
SPEAKER_03: That should be against the law.
26:56
SPEAKER_03: The fact that a child can go buy a plan B pill, but we're getting carded for a dang spray paint.
27:02
SPEAKER_03: You can't even get alcohol, spray paint, just like all these different things.
27:06
SPEAKER_03: Like, it's just such a jacked-up world we live in.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: It's just insane.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: And how can like, I mean, we could, I mean, there's so much about what's not acceptable, what shouldn't be allowed on the internet, but the simple fact that a young girl can Google help, or a young girl or boy can Google and find pornography.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so many things.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: It's like it's there's so much stuff at our fingertips, and they can literally get help to find something that's going to damage them for the rest of their life and in their child's life.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Like it's it blows my mind.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm telling you, like, I mean, I I don't know how many times I texted you leading up to this.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, please pray for me.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm really struggling.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: I had not done a pro-life event like this in quite a while.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: I used to do a bunch and and used to when I worked at care, all of this information was constant in my brain because I was working in it every day.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: And I don't even know how I did that, honestly, for so long.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: But I've not done, I've not been in this for a minute.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: And so I had to really study and research what is happening today.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, it just made me sick.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: It really just made me sick that there are so many opportunities.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: First off, I am all about supporting women who are having an unplanned pregnancy and men, men and women.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: I think that we should offer them help and hope and support, whether they want to parent or not parent, you know.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: But to to know that there are people paying thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars to help get young girls out of pro-life state to end the life of their baby.
28:56
SPEAKER_01: It just shook my world.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: It really did.
28:58
SPEAKER_03: I'm sitting here thinking about all the things that are just jacked up in this world, like those type of things right there.
29:03
SPEAKER_03: And Dakota, my daughter, she put has a thrift store and she put a picture of a bow on marketplace to sell.
29:12
SPEAKER_03: Like a bow?
29:13
SPEAKER_03: No, like a hunting bow.
29:14
SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, oh, yeah.
29:15
SPEAKER_03: She's banned from Facebook Marketplace.
29:18
SPEAKER_03: She can't get on marketplace and sell anything.
29:20
SPEAKER_03: And they said it was a weapon, you had to prove that it wasn't going to be used as a weapon, blah, blah, blah.
29:25
SPEAKER_03: And then she gets on there and you know, she it still hadn't released.
29:28
SPEAKER_03: It's been like months now that she can't get on marketplace.
29:31
SPEAKER_03: You've had restrictions because you're selling a gun.
29:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:35
SPEAKER_03: And I took a picture one time of somebody doing something stupid at a red light, like these cars were going.
29:42
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what are they thinking?
29:43
SPEAKER_03: I took this picture and I got knocked off Facebook, and I'm like, for what?
29:48
SPEAKER_03: I it took me forever.
29:50
SPEAKER_03: Only thing I can figure out is because somebody's license plate was on.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: No, because license plates are posted all the time.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm stupid.
29:55
SPEAKER_03: They took me off.
29:56
SPEAKER_03: Then, you know, like just dumb things.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Or even the the naked women, like you can you can post boobies on Facebook, but you can't post a bow.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that make sense?
30:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: Denise, it's how does it make sense?
30:13
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't.
30:13
SPEAKER_03: It's because the enemy is on this earth and he is he is walking.
30:20
SPEAKER_03: Still, kill and destroy.
30:22
SPEAKER_03: He is there to destroy families.
30:23
SPEAKER_03: He's there to destroy us.
30:24
SPEAKER_03: His goal, he don't care about any of us.
30:27
SPEAKER_03: His goal is to hurt the Lord God Almighty.
30:30
SPEAKER_03: And to do that is to hurt his creation.
30:32
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, that's just kind of what it's come down to.
30:35
SPEAKER_03: We see all of the stuff that blows our mind, how ridiculous it sounds, it all comes from the enemy.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: I was thinking you brought up the love chapter earlier.
30:47
SPEAKER_03: And so we've talked today about a lot of things that are just stupid, ridiculous.
30:53
SPEAKER_03: We've talked about our feelings of politics and and just different things.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: And flashwaters.
31:00
SPEAKER_03: And flashwaters.
31:03
SPEAKER_03: But really, at the end of the day, I hope y'all hear our heart that even when we are standing up against certain things that we don't believe in, this Taller Rico guy, I don't hate this man.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: No.
31:15
SPEAKER_03: I don't agree with what he is saying.
31:17
SPEAKER_03: And I think he is a tool that is being used from the enemy.
31:21
SPEAKER_03: But I don't think he's the only one.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: Like I'm not saying it's just him.
31:24
SPEAKER_03: Right.
31:24
SPEAKER_03: But I don't have hatred towards him or anyone else for that matter.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: The thing is, is we live in a sinful world, and the enemy can use a politician.
31:33
SPEAKER_03: He can use this abortion, this what's it called?
31:37
SPEAKER_03: Jane's dude.
31:39
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, he is just having a heyday there, right?
31:41
SPEAKER_03: He is like he is using these places.
31:45
SPEAKER_03: He uses, he's used me.
31:46
SPEAKER_03: He's used you that is listening.
31:48
SPEAKER_03: He has used us all in some way, shape, or form.
31:52
SPEAKER_03: But but for us here, sitting here, we can we can be big enough to admit, hey, we've been used and we don't get everything right.
32:01
SPEAKER_03: Bye.
32:02
SPEAKER_03: A long shot.
32:03
SPEAKER_03: A long shot.
32:04
SPEAKER_03: We don't get anything right.
32:05
SPEAKER_03: But here's the deal: we love the Lord and we love you.
32:07
SPEAKER_03: We love people.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: And the whole reason we do all of the stuff that we do in this ministry is because we love the Lord and we love people.
32:14
SPEAKER_03: First Corinthians chapter 13.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: It says, if I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn't love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
32:28
SPEAKER_03: If I had the gift of prophecy and if I understood all of God's secret plans and possessed all knowledge, and if I had such faith that I could move mountains, but didn't love others, I would be nothing.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: If I hold on one second, mine says all the mysteries.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: That's good.
32:46
SPEAKER_03: Sorry, go ahead.
32:46
SPEAKER_03: No, verse three.
32:47
SPEAKER_03: If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it.
32:53
SPEAKER_03: But if I didn't love others, I would have gained nothing.
32:58
SPEAKER_03: And so I want to stop right there for a second and and just real quickly just say, look, he's just saying it doesn't matter how smart you are, it doesn't matter what gifts you have, what you don't have, it doesn't matter how much money you have, none of that stuff matters if you're not using it for the love of Christ, then it doesn't matter.
33:17
SPEAKER_03: If you're doing it for selfish gain, then it's worth nothing.
33:21
SPEAKER_03: And every one of us is going to answer one day.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: We're all gonna answer.
33:26
SPEAKER_03: Where every knee will bow.
33:28
SPEAKER_03: In verse 4, it says, Love is patient and kind.
33:32
SPEAKER_03: Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude.
33:36
SPEAKER_03: It does not demand its own way, it is not irritable and it keeps no record of being wronged.
33:43
SPEAKER_03: It does not rejoice about injustice, but rejoices whenever the truth wins out.
33:50
SPEAKER_03: Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful and endures through every circumstance.
33:58
SPEAKER_03: Who is love?
34:00
SPEAKER_03: Jesus is love.
34:01
SPEAKER_03: And so if it's not about him, then it's all being done in vain.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: That's good.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: Well, how fun.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: All right.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, I hope that you will go vote.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: I hope that you will vote your personal biblical convictions.
34:18
SPEAKER_01: And I hope you'll tune in next Thursday.
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SPEAKER_00: May you be encouraged, rooted in truth, and unashamed.