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The Cancer Swindle | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is germ Warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas. The last conversation we had was a lot
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Speaker 1: more complicated than I had imagined. We tried to cover
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Speaker 1: your work around AIDS as well as cancer in an hour,
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Speaker 1: and it proved to be almost impossible. There's just too
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Speaker 1: much to cover. So I thought, perhaps what we could
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Speaker 1: do in this conversation is just chat about your new book,
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Speaker 1: The Outsider's Advantage, which is effectively around cancer and your
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Speaker 1: your work with cancer research. Right the starting point is
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Speaker 1: what is the outside is Advantage?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's a mix of explaining to people of what
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Speaker 2: we talked about during the last interview, but in plain
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Speaker 2: language about what cancer really is, the history of it.
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Speaker 2: Has been known for over one hundred years what cancer
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Speaker 2: really is, and so I put that in there. I
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Speaker 2: publish this for scientists in twenty twelve, which was very technical,
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Speaker 2: had eleven hundred references, and I decided to tell the
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Speaker 2: story in plain language, but not make it to childish,
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Speaker 2: you know, be as open and honest as thorough as possible,
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Speaker 2: which I tried really hard to do. And so that's
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Speaker 2: the purpose of it. When I initially started and a
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Speaker 2: journalist friend of mine in New York suggested that I
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Speaker 2: tell my personal story in there too, and I got
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Speaker 2: what he meant right off the back. So the first
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Speaker 2: start of the book, I tell how I became a scientist,
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Speaker 2: my history. I tried not to overdo it though, just
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Speaker 2: make it human, personal for people in my road. I
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Speaker 2: never planned on being a scientist or anything. I wanted
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Speaker 2: to be an astronaut. That didn't happen, and I got
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Speaker 2: I got what's word conscripted, drafted to go to Vietnam,
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Speaker 2: and I was there seventy nine, yes, seventy sixty, sixty
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Speaker 2: nine to seventy that's when it was got to get
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Speaker 2: these decades right, nine to seventy and I came back
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Speaker 2: from there. I went back to Georgia Tech, got two
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Speaker 2: BS degrees, want in biology, want in chemistry. I liked
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Speaker 2: both very much, and then I went couldn't believe it,
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Speaker 2: I went straight for a PhD. Got it in three years. Boy,
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Speaker 2: I was a different, completely different person than I was
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Speaker 2: before I went to Vietnam. And then I went table
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Speaker 2: laboratories my first job. I think we talked about that
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Speaker 2: last time. Then moved on through the eighties, my little
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Speaker 2: biotech companies and the aide stuff that we talked about
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Speaker 2: and then got into nineteen ninety six, as I left
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Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical biotech industry, joined up with Peter Deosburg at
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Speaker 2: UC Berkeley, and we worked together on both aides and
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Speaker 2: cancer for a long time, and we published a lot
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Speaker 2: on both conferences on both and and we just kept
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Speaker 2: doing this and working together until he died this past September.
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Speaker 2: Poor fellow. Of course, he was eighty nine ninety something
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Speaker 2: like that. He left UC Berkeley and they wouldn't fund him,
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Speaker 2: as mentioned before, and he had a stroke. It was
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Speaker 2: a stroke. During the early two thousands, three of the
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Speaker 2: most credentialed, outspoken critics of Anthony Fauci, two Nobel laureates.
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Speaker 2: I had a big long thing yesterday, so my mine's
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Speaker 2: just a little slow today. We had Luke Montagner and
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Speaker 2: inventor of PCR was his name carry Carrie Mullis, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Carrie Mullis, and Luke Montagner, the other the guy we
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Speaker 2: talked about last time, got the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV,
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Speaker 2: you know. And then Peter Dusburg, member in National Academy
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Speaker 2: of Sciences. Uh. These are the three most outspoken credential
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Speaker 2: critics of Anthony Fauci, and interestingly, just before and shortly
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Speaker 2: after Fauci's latest catastrophe of COVID. Uh, two of them
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Speaker 2: died and Peter had a stroke. In fact, Peter had
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Speaker 2: a stroke and so did carry Mullis. He had a
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Speaker 2: stroke just just before all this started. Now that's extraordinarily Uh,
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Speaker 2: what are the odds, What are the odds that right
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Speaker 2: when Anthony Fauci was having his biggest catastrophe ever, his
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Speaker 2: biggest fraud, biggest scam and catastrophe for the world. Uh,
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Speaker 2: these three guys are out out of action now they're
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Speaker 2: all dead. So if that's suspicious to me, and I'll
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Speaker 2: leave it at that, because they don't have any other
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Speaker 2: evidence other than what I just said. Uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's the coincidence. Coincidence is astounding, David.
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Speaker 1: It's a very interesting subtext about your book title. That's
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Speaker 1: why I was asking about the name outside of Advantage,
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Speaker 1: because do you think that specialization leads to a far
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Speaker 1: too narrowed field of interest.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's one aspect of it. Component think of mds
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Speaker 2: for example, just to give it DMD thing. Back when
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Speaker 2: I was in school going to college and a lot
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Speaker 2: of other people are going for they wanted to get
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Speaker 2: an m D, you know, and that means they have
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Speaker 2: to plan ahead for four years of college and then
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Speaker 2: and then get into medical school and things like that.
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Speaker 2: So they have to plan along how to do that
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Speaker 2: because they have this road. It's very hard to become one,
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Speaker 2: but anybody who's accepted, almost all of them eventually accepted
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Speaker 2: to get their MD. But they have to really really
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Speaker 2: turn themselves basically into robots in order to do that.
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Speaker 2: They have to start it very very young, so they
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Speaker 2: get really really brainwashed early on to what they can
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Speaker 2: do and what they cannot do in order to go through,
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Speaker 2: you know, almost two decades. It is two decades of stuff,
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Speaker 2: you know, to get to get where they want to go.
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Speaker 2: And then the other fields are similar, like law and
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Speaker 2: other sciences, but not nearly as torturous and as long
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Speaker 2: as getting an m D and in other fields these professions.
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Speaker 2: Let me, I'm gonna take a quick look at my
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Speaker 2: uh my website right here. I've got this book. Come
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Speaker 2: on the other website here, you know, dage here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Disciplined Minds is a book written by Jeff Schmidt, and
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Speaker 2: you can download it so on my website. You can
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Speaker 2: download it for free. The whole thing on the homepage.
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Speaker 2: Disciplined minds a critical look at the salaried professionals and
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Speaker 2: the soul battering system that shapes their lives. He pretty
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Speaker 2: much tells that story of what professionals have to go through,
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Speaker 2: and it's a self limiting thing the people. And I
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Speaker 2: saw this when I was in grad school and other places.
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Speaker 2: People who just will not go along with it. You know,
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Speaker 2: they realized they more, they feel it, more than they
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Speaker 2: really understand it. This something's not quite right, and they leave,
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Speaker 2: Like a guy right before me in grad school at
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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. He left and didn't get his PhD. And
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Speaker 2: I only, you know, I couldn't figure out why would
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Speaker 2: you do that thing? You know, I don't know as
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Speaker 2: real reasons, but it occurred to me that it was
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Speaker 2: what was in Jeff Schmidt's book and what I witnessed
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Speaker 2: first hand in the pharmaceutical industry and also with the
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Speaker 2: aid stuff. We mentioned it last time, the pressures that
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Speaker 2: were put on people. If you don't have a continued professorship,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to speak out and take any chances
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Speaker 2: of losing your and support because they'll get shut down
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Speaker 2: as like Peters was. No.
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Speaker 1: I think another angle of the same question is if
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Speaker 1: you're so highly specialized, you are exceptionally unlikely to critique
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Speaker 1: it because you don't have the outsider's advantage.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, now let's bring that part in the outsider
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Speaker 2: because I didn't come up with that idea immediately. I
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Speaker 2: didn't think of myself that way as only retrospectively when
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Speaker 2: I was writing this book, when you see all the
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Speaker 2: twisting turns my life took, you know, and I like
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Speaker 2: with Vietnam and all that, to come back and do
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Speaker 2: this and do that a lot of people have these
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Speaker 2: things in their mind and they really focus and they
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Speaker 2: just really go that way. Well, when things didn't go
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Speaker 2: as I expected, it didn't destroy me, it didn't crash me.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't I don't know what it was. I just
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Speaker 2: got on with my life. You know. I consider myself
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Speaker 2: extremely lucky that I didn't feel those pressures. And I
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Speaker 2: think one reason, one reason I go back and try
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Speaker 2: to analyze this is that I wanted to be an
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Speaker 2: astronaut and I couldn't do it because of my eyes
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Speaker 2: and I really had my heart and soul on that
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Speaker 2: since about five years old, and I couldn't do it.
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Speaker 2: So I never really had that absolute craving, you know,
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Speaker 2: to accomplish something, and I just followed this path, you know,
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Speaker 2: this journey of my life. Vietnam came back when Georgia
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Speaker 2: Tech got my job real quick fella with another company
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Speaker 2: who wanted me to join up with him to help
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Speaker 2: him start a movie's biotech company from Illinois to California.
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Speaker 2: I did that. That worked great, you know, worked had
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Speaker 2: my own little business with him for ten years in California.
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Speaker 2: The collaborations with UCSF and other places where well until
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Speaker 2: I brought up the aid stuff. I said, didn't look
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Speaker 2: like it's infectious, and people wouldn't talk to me anymore.
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Speaker 2: You know, that was what I was an outsider speaking
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Speaker 2: from outside, and I go, boy, this See the key
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Speaker 2: about outsiders is that you're not really entrenched. You're open,
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Speaker 2: You're free to observe things. And then when you when
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Speaker 2: something really like your mind up, you know, you're free
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Speaker 2: to pursue it. You're not afraid. You see, you go, wow,
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Speaker 2: I got to look into this. My whole life's been
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Speaker 2: that way. Wow, I've got to look into this. When
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Speaker 2: Peter went to Germany in nineteen ninety six for his
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Speaker 2: first sabbatical because he no longer had any more government
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Speaker 2: grant money and things. As we discussed before, I went, wow,
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Speaker 2: and I looked into anuploity. You know, never ever thought
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Speaker 2: about that before, you know. And then that turned out
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Speaker 2: Every move I took started out with something weird going on,
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Speaker 2: you know, and then I went that went that route.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not the only one that's total Dirk. That's
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Speaker 2: typical of outsiders, you see, which I think before we
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Speaker 2: had all these institutions, I think we were all outsiders.
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Speaker 2: Outsiders basically mean you're an individual, you know, you don't
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Speaker 2: have these constraints that are forcing you to go this
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Speaker 2: way or direct you to go that way. And uh,
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Speaker 2: it's only uh and if you get it started really young,
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Speaker 2: you know, really really young, you get habituated to it,
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Speaker 2: and you just keep going further and further. And like Americans,
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Speaker 2: for example, we are so comfortable and have been going
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Speaker 2: through these little things. We were too comfortable, you know,
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Speaker 2: and so you could do this, but uh, we are
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Speaker 2: all we also have this inwardly though, being individuals, and
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Speaker 2: this theory of independence in our constitution. You know. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's good. We live in the best place in the world.
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Speaker 2: You know that that thing is coming back to some
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Speaker 2: people say, yeah, that's true, and I've got to do
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Speaker 2: something about that. I can't just sit back and let
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Speaker 2: it go. And I'm watching it right before my eyes,
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Speaker 2: And so I think we're all outsiders innately, all human
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Speaker 2: beings are unique in an individual and totalitarians try to
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Speaker 2: erase that individuality, and they've been very, very successful for
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Speaker 2: a long time and starting I was very lucky that
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Speaker 2: I was able to not get caught in that trap
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Speaker 2: early and go and my habit's always been curiosity, you know.
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Speaker 2: And other people's habits are to go down this, focus
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Speaker 2: this line, get my MD, get my PhD, go this way,
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Speaker 2: buy my big house, and everything's focused and you just
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Speaker 2: stay on that path. And that's not been my life.
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Speaker 1: When did science die?
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Speaker 2: Science? I well, science, you know what science is. Science?
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Speaker 2: It's about asking questions. So I think it's started with
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Speaker 2: our species. You know, I'm literally I'm not making a
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Speaker 2: joke here. It's asking questions and not knowing the answer
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Speaker 2: and pursuing it, looking for the answers, and usually you're wrong.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people I hate this when they say,
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Speaker 2: listen to the science, you know all that. They say
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Speaker 2: that people misconnect the idea. They think science and engineering,
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Speaker 2: for example, are very similar, and engineers can uh productively
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Speaker 2: put billions of dollars to use productively. You know, they
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Speaker 2: can build airplanes. They know what they're doing. They're they're
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Speaker 2: they're like building a house or something, you know, and
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Speaker 2: it's not exceedingly creative, you know, it's just practice and
14:59
Speaker 2: you keep the developing skills and things and sciences work.
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Speaker 2: So the engineers are almost always right. What they do,
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Speaker 2: they build, it almost works. What we do almost always fails.
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Speaker 2: Our answers, our pursuits, or even the direction that we're going.
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Speaker 2: You know, we have more scientists have more in common
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Speaker 2: with artists, musicians, people like that. You know, it's a
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Speaker 2: creative thing. It's not predicted. You can't predict where you're going,
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Speaker 2: what you're going to succeed in, you know, so it's
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Speaker 2: more of an art form. And I'm not the only
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Speaker 2: one that said this when I looked into it, that
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Speaker 2: many of the great scientists have always acknowledged it themselves,
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Speaker 2: and that we mostly fail. It's but we don't always fail,
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Speaker 2: and we come up with something and The beauty of
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Speaker 2: it is is that when you have all these other
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Speaker 2: individuals out there, they're free to think for themselves and
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Speaker 2: they can critique, We can critique each other, and when
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Speaker 2: something really works in our critiques from all these different
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Speaker 2: directions confirm the same thing, then we have, you know,
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Speaker 2: a great accomplishment for society. Did I answer? Didn't it
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Speaker 2: for you?
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Speaker 1: Yes? All right? So going back to your book, David,
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Speaker 1: you talk about cancer, and no, I just want to clarify something.
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Speaker 1: We get different kinds of cancers when we talk about cancer.
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Speaker 1: What are we talking about.
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Speaker 2: Well, one thing about cancer is it's been known for
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Speaker 2: god probably two thousand years. You know that it exists
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Speaker 2: in humanity, but it's been very, very rare. And it
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Speaker 2: was only for my exploration. What cancer basically really is
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Speaker 2: from a Western perspective was understood towards the end of
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Speaker 2: the eighteenth century, end of the I'm sorry, the eighteen
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Speaker 2: hundreds and eighteenth century, all right, David Hansom and looked
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Speaker 2: at over ten thousand cells with a good high quality microscope.
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Speaker 2: I think we talked about this, so I'm going all
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Speaker 2: this details, but he really really looked into it. He
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Speaker 2: understood that it was the chromosomes and the imbalance of
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Speaker 2: the chromosomes. Even those days, he didn't really know what
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Speaker 2: the chromosomes were. But his colleague Theodore Bovari, who knew.
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Speaker 2: They knew each other, and he worked in development how
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Speaker 2: for the last day turns into a turtle of house
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Speaker 2: and human or whatever, and he knew about chromosomes, and
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Speaker 2: he also knew about Hansoman's work with the unbalanced chromosomes
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Speaker 2: and cancer. So he did the spare mill work Hansman
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Speaker 2: looking at it like Peter Deusburg did, and then Bavari
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Speaker 2: did the theoretical work like I did, you know, working
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Speaker 2: with Peter Deusburg, and they both basically had it nailed. Cancer.
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Speaker 2: Does these all cancers have an imbalance in the number
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Speaker 2: of chromosomes? This was known towards the end of the
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Speaker 2: nineteenth century, all right, And unfortunately, as mentioned, until Barry
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Speaker 2: died in nineteen fifteen after his book was published in
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Speaker 2: World War One was then going on World War two,
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Speaker 2: so it never took off until then. Unfortunately, nineteen fifty three,
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Speaker 2: Watson and crect with DNA. You got this molecule. We
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Speaker 2: talked about that. Oh, now chemists and everybody can go
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Speaker 2: in there drug companies out molecules. That's what we do,
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Speaker 2: make those things, patter them and then go off in
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Speaker 2: that direction. All right, So now here I lost track.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's fine. I was asking what what
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Speaker 1: are we talking about when we talk about cancer?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, cancer, All cancers start out by formation of an
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Speaker 2: unbalanced set of chromosomes. And in my book, I talk
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Speaker 2: about down syndrome where people are born with three copies
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Speaker 2: of chromosome twenty one instead of the normal two copies,
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Speaker 2: and they're slightly anuployed at birth, and as a consequence
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Speaker 2: that this annuploidy leads to an imbalance of the distribution
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Speaker 2: of the chromosomes during cell division. The very small imbalance
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Speaker 2: is not nearly substructive destructive as larger imbalances. So every
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Speaker 2: time the cells divide with they're unbalanced, they stay unbalanced,
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Speaker 2: and they can increase their imbalance. And the ones that
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Speaker 2: lose chromosomes are less viable than the ones that gain chromosomes.
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Speaker 2: So over years to decades, the process of these unbalanced
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Speaker 2: cells tells. With unbalanced chromosomes dividing, the ones that will
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Speaker 2: survive more are the ones that gain chromosomes. It's more
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Speaker 2: survivable and even those are very damaged cells, and the
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Speaker 2: more chromosomes that they get and still survive, they've become
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Speaker 2: even more and more damage to the point where they're
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Speaker 2: not going to go anywhere. That's why it takes so
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Speaker 2: long for cancer progressed, because almost always it doesn't go anywhere.
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Speaker 2: But over a period of time, depending on the circumstances,
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Speaker 2: they'll be able to double the amount of chromosomes go
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Speaker 2: over this barrier, and then they have excess of chromosomes
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Speaker 2: that they needed to survive, and then they start losing
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Speaker 2: them until typically they have around seventy percent more chromosomes
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Speaker 2: than the normal cells. Now you're in the region of
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Speaker 2: cancer all right, all cancers and the down syndrome kids
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Speaker 2: because they were born an employed, they have up to
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Speaker 2: a five hundred fold increased chance of getting cancer than
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Speaker 2: normal people do. I mean, it's a huge increase in cancer.
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Speaker 2: I mean, and they get all kinds of different cancers.
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Speaker 2: They don't get the carcinogen is cancers like people's balance chromosomes,
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Speaker 2: they don't get the cancers. And cigarette smokers do for example,
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Speaker 2: like in their throats and lungs and things like that,
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Speaker 2: But they get them in all lots of different places
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Speaker 2: in their bodies all over and they vary from time.
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Speaker 2: But just being born with the imbalance and chromosomes, it
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Speaker 2: leads to the progression and what the rest of the
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Speaker 2: world that are born with balanced chromosomes. It's carcinogens that
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Speaker 2: lead off the imbalance, like cigarette smoking does that, asbestos
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Speaker 2: does that. In fact, all carcinogens, they're not carcinogens unless
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Speaker 2: they cause it imbalance and chromosomes. And then the more
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Speaker 2: you keep feeding that, the more that you're causing populations
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Speaker 2: of unbalanced chromosomes. With carcinogens. It's a lottery. You know,
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Speaker 2: you're gambling, and eventually some people lose by winning the
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Speaker 2: ticket of a survival and uploid and it turns into cancer. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let you ask me another one.
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Speaker 1: In your book, you effectively argued that theodoba very solved
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Speaker 1: cancer around nineteen fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of understanding it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So how was his work buried for over a century.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, he died in nineteen fifteen. You know, he
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Speaker 2: published a book in nineteen fourteen. He died in nineteen fifteen.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's this period of the First World War,
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Speaker 2: all right, and he was German okay, and so that
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Speaker 2: they both of even Hansomen were German. And then there
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Speaker 2: was there were horrors for Germany in between the wars.
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Speaker 2: You know, they were starving to death, you know, and
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Speaker 2: finally they were able to get out of that. And
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Speaker 2: then Hitler came in. You know, we had another catastrophe
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Speaker 2: with Germany World War two, you know, and then the
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Speaker 2: United States became the big boy on the block, and
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Speaker 2: then we took over everything. Watson, I'm sorry. They were
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Speaker 2: a British, worn't they. And then they came up with
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Speaker 2: the double helical structure, and then the pharmaceuts got in there,
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Speaker 2: and then it led that way. So it just kept going.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So walk me through them that series of events
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Speaker 1: that led you to realize that cancer is not genetic,
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Speaker 1: that it's not about gene mutation, right, uh, and keep
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Speaker 1: it sorry and keep it in a way, in a
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Speaker 1: way that the layman like me can understand.
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Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to do. That's what I wanted.
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Speaker 2: We had a long road trip yesterday. We got back
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Speaker 2: last night, and I'm still a little loozy from that
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Speaker 2: long road trip. Two days ago. When we did this,
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Speaker 2: I was much better, you know, all right, So with
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Speaker 2: the first thing was just learning the history. You know.
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Speaker 2: I spent months just learning reading I had prior to
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Speaker 2: when Peter left in nineteen ninety sixty to go to Germany,
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Speaker 2: they hadn't really I knew what anyblody was, but I
23:56
Speaker 2: never studied it or anything. So I had to find
23:58
Speaker 2: out what any play was, you know. I learned the
24:01
Speaker 2: history of it and it's connection with cancer, and I
24:07
Speaker 2: kept pursuing it. And then the gene mutation stuff, you know,
24:12
Speaker 2: I would look at that. The main thing was there
24:15
Speaker 2: was no cancers. Here's where you start from. There's no
24:18
Speaker 2: cancer that is not anuploid. That's the first thing you learn. Okay,
24:23
Speaker 2: So where the world does anuploye come from? All right?
24:26
Speaker 2: And so if there was such a thing as a
24:29
Speaker 2: gene mutation that causes cancer, you should have cancer before
24:34
Speaker 2: you have annuploy you know, like some people like the
24:38
Speaker 2: people that talk about the the oxidative stress thing, and
24:44
Speaker 2: you know that you have to have the Warburg effect first,
24:47
Speaker 2: where you have the changing of the energy sources and
24:52
Speaker 2: cancer cells. Normal human cells rely on your mitochondria as
24:56
Speaker 2: a source of energy for your whole body. Cancers cells rely,
25:01
Speaker 2: they don't. They actually shut down the mitochondria for the
25:04
Speaker 2: most part, and they rely on fermentation. Fermentation is a
25:07
Speaker 2: process that the bacteria convert glucose and alcohol, all right,
25:13
Speaker 2: and fermentation in mammals and humans. It turns glucose into
25:19
Speaker 2: energy two hundred times faster than the mitochondria, the typical
25:23
Speaker 2: source of healthy cells. But it doesn't also lead to ethanol.
25:28
Speaker 2: It leads to lactic acid, which is toxic to people,
25:32
Speaker 2: all right, So then your liver has to spend three
25:36
Speaker 2: times the amount of energy to get rid of that
25:39
Speaker 2: lactic acid that your body produced to make it. And
25:44
Speaker 2: this is called the Warburg effect, and this was known
25:49
Speaker 2: as early as nineteen thirty six. Auto Warburg recognized and
25:55
Speaker 2: published on this that cancer cells rely on glycolysis. And
26:01
Speaker 2: one reason that makes sense to me is that I
26:05
Speaker 2: found out about daniupluge. You have seventy percent more chromosomes
26:08
Speaker 2: than cancer cells than normal cells, which means you also
26:11
Speaker 2: have seventy percent more of DNA, I mean of RNA
26:16
Speaker 2: and proteins. So you have the extraordinarily dense cells full
26:23
Speaker 2: of all this really crowding it's called molecular crowding in
26:28
Speaker 2: these cells have been known for a while and how
26:30
Speaker 2: it changes all the biochemistry that goes on, and that's
26:34
Speaker 2: what leads to the Warburg effect. The mitochondria start conking out,
26:38
Speaker 2: then they have to rely on glycolysis. And the beauty
26:42
Speaker 2: of it is, the beauty of all this work is
26:45
Speaker 2: is that all cancer cells, all cancer cells and the mice,
26:49
Speaker 2: in humans, any kind of cancer is that you have
26:53
Speaker 2: has this Achilles heel of the Warburg effect, and they
26:57
Speaker 2: have an absolute requirement of glycolois. All cancers. All right. Now,
27:02
Speaker 2: people have been understanding lately and been coming up more
27:07
Speaker 2: and more. People have been asking me, what about this
27:10
Speaker 2: ivermectin and ben bendazole and all that, you know? And
27:14
Speaker 2: I talked to him, I say, yes, they're right. You know,
27:17
Speaker 2: they were using these inhibitors of glycolysis like the like
27:22
Speaker 2: the ivermectin for you know, I give to horses, given
27:25
Speaker 2: to animals and things, because the parasites also have an
27:30
Speaker 2: absolute requirement energy requirement of glycolysis, and these things inhibig
27:35
Speaker 2: glycolosis and kills the parasites. All right, Well, those same
27:42
Speaker 2: molecules are drugs. They stop glycolosis and people and they
27:46
Speaker 2: kill the cancer selves really really fast. You know, surprise, surprise,
27:51
Speaker 2: And this has now become publicly known since COVID, in
27:56
Speaker 2: fact since the past two or three years, because of
27:59
Speaker 2: the stars to injections and the and the rapid appearance
28:03
Speaker 2: of cancers called turbo cancers these days, which have not
28:06
Speaker 2: gone away. They're still here and they're still popping up
28:09
Speaker 2: and coming all over the place. And then so the
28:13
Speaker 2: the the drugs, and unfortunately some of the drugs, like
28:19
Speaker 2: the immune checkpoint hippiters that is all the rage and
28:24
Speaker 2: cancer therapy right now, turns out that they wind up
28:29
Speaker 2: destroying the immune system like those parasites you know, would
28:38
Speaker 2: do that. They they shut it down and they wind
28:45
Speaker 2: up with the same phenomenon. Is this turbo cancer stuff,
28:50
Speaker 2: because your body's immune system is the best offense you
28:53
Speaker 2: have against cancer, and the the immune checkpoint hippiters shut
28:59
Speaker 2: down immune system that fights cancer. It shuts it down.
29:04
Speaker 2: And they saw this for the first time in twenty
29:07
Speaker 2: seventeen is when they published it. They were treating cancer
29:09
Speaker 2: patients people had cancer with these immune checkpoint hitters would
29:14
Speaker 2: shut down your immune system to fight these cancers, and
29:17
Speaker 2: they came up with what's called hyper progressive disease that
29:20
Speaker 2: the public calls turbo cancer, and they were dead with
29:23
Speaker 2: it hours, days, weeks to months, well before a year,
29:27
Speaker 2: all right. And the same thing is happening with the
29:31
Speaker 2: people that took the sars kov two injections, you know.
29:35
Speaker 2: And we talked about this a little bit at the
29:37
Speaker 2: last time that these people had cancers. They didn't know
29:40
Speaker 2: about it, but they shut down their bodies on immune
29:44
Speaker 2: system that fights those cancers, and they came back really
29:46
Speaker 2: fast and killed them. I can't hear you.
29:51
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I had my microphone on mutes. Are
29:53
Speaker 1: you suggesting that vaccines can lead to chromosomal imbalance?
29:59
Speaker 2: Well, it's absolutely clear that they star as Kobe two.
30:03
Speaker 2: When does it causes aniuploidy? You know? And yes they can.
30:09
Speaker 2: I don't know about other ones. But chemicals do poisons
30:13
Speaker 2: do Glypha's sake for example that we're talking about, all
30:17
Speaker 2: carcinogens cause aniuploidy.
30:22
Speaker 1: So the CDC have been saying that there's an increase
30:25
Speaker 1: and they're predicting an increase in cans over the next
30:28
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. All right. So if we reverse
30:30
Speaker 1: that and go backwards, was there a time when there
30:36
Speaker 1: was zero to very little cancer you said it's been
30:40
Speaker 1: around about two thousand years or whatever, but and you
30:43
Speaker 1: said it was rare. Why has it Why has it
30:46
Speaker 1: picked up?
30:46
Speaker 2: Since all carcinogens cause aniuploidy, and the level of carcinogens
30:54
Speaker 2: in society have gone up exponentially.
30:57
Speaker 1: Right, Okay for decades, right, so basically from the industrial evolution.
31:04
Speaker 2: From the Industrial Revolution, right, I mean Britain. You know,
31:08
Speaker 2: they had these kids that would go down chimney sweeps,
31:11
Speaker 2: you know, go down there. They had certain types of cancer,
31:13
Speaker 2: this is known back in the seventeen hundred, sixteen, seventeen
31:16
Speaker 2: hundreds whatever, you know, and other people they had specific
31:20
Speaker 2: cancers that they know. They linked it with the profession.
31:23
Speaker 2: Carcinogens are always causing it, but they linked it to
31:25
Speaker 2: this profession and that profession.
31:27
Speaker 1: So this might not this might not be all strength,
31:29
Speaker 1: but I'm just going to ask. Anyway, smoking has always
31:33
Speaker 1: occurred throughout human history.
31:34
Speaker 2: It's the things that we add to it. It's these
31:37
Speaker 2: unnatural things basically, you know, like the fertilizers and like
31:42
Speaker 2: the various things that they put in in the it's
31:46
Speaker 2: it's a modern phenomenon, this acceleration, and it's artificial and
31:51
Speaker 2: the level in the United States, there is no consideration
31:55
Speaker 2: of carcinogen. There is tremendous interests for decades of trying
32:01
Speaker 2: to track them down and prevent carcinogens in Europe and
32:04
Speaker 2: in Asia and in Mexico, but not in the United States.
32:07
Speaker 2: And they won't even allow you to investigate in this country,
32:11
Speaker 2: United States, you are not allowed to investigate tens of
32:15
Speaker 2: thousands of chemicals before certain periods of time and legislation
32:21
Speaker 2: happened in the past decades. You're not even allowed to
32:23
Speaker 2: investigate those for carcinogenic potentials.
32:27
Speaker 1: Okay, So if chromosomal imbalance is the real driver then
32:30
Speaker 1: of cancer, what would be the real world application in
32:37
Speaker 1: terms of diagnosing.
32:39
Speaker 2: Well, an employee, for one thing, if you have, for example,
32:44
Speaker 2: like the pap sphere or anything in a pap smear,
32:46
Speaker 2: by the way, is an anioploidy diagnosis of cancer. George Papennicolau,
32:52
Speaker 2: who invented the papsmere, he knew it. He understood the
32:56
Speaker 2: chromosomal and balanced theory of cancer, and he looked at
33:00
Speaker 2: this pap sphere was to look at the nucleus of
33:04
Speaker 2: the of the sample. Look for cells that had nuclei
33:08
Speaker 2: two to three times larger than the nuclei of normal
33:13
Speaker 2: cells that are on the same slide. You can look
33:15
Speaker 2: at it your own. You don't even have to be
33:17
Speaker 2: a professional. If you had a slide, if somebody told you,
33:21
Speaker 2: you know, we're looking for cancer cells, and they don't
33:24
Speaker 2: look like normal cells. And you see the slide all
33:27
Speaker 2: these normal cells that are the same, always the same,
33:30
Speaker 2: the same appearance, you know, the proportions are the same.
33:33
Speaker 2: And then you see these group of other cells that
33:36
Speaker 2: have all these different large size nuclei, shapes and sizes
33:41
Speaker 2: and everything. You say, this, those aren't those cells. There aren't.
33:44
Speaker 2: God turns out that those bad looking cells are cancer cells,
33:48
Speaker 2: and they're looking bad because they have all this excess
33:51
Speaker 2: DNA and protein. And that's what Papa Nicolau I mean,
33:55
Speaker 2: he knew what that was, you know, and he even
33:57
Speaker 2: made an automated machine that never win anywhere, uh to
34:02
Speaker 2: uh to address that very thing. And they use those
34:05
Speaker 2: things in Europe right now very effectively. Don't use it
34:07
Speaker 2: in the United States though.
34:10
Speaker 1: So okay, So, if my understanding is correct, cancer cells
34:13
Speaker 1: are fundamentally weak, yes, why ed, yes, okay, So why
34:18
Speaker 1: does the body struggle to remove them?
34:21
Speaker 2: Well? Uh, they're very successful for decades, and I think, uh,
34:26
Speaker 2: you know, we probably all have cancer cells because cosmic
34:29
Speaker 2: radiation carcinogens, Uh, you know, they're they're making these aniploid cells.
34:35
Speaker 2: And these aniploid sales are not They're very wimpy. They
34:38
Speaker 2: really have it. Most of them die spontaneously, even in
34:41
Speaker 2: a lethal tumor. Most of those cells are dying on
34:43
Speaker 2: their own, even if you don't do anything. That's how
34:46
Speaker 2: damage they are. And so, uh, if you have if
34:50
Speaker 2: you're a healthy person, you know, and you don't keep
34:54
Speaker 2: dosing yourself with carcinogens, you don't even know you have it.
34:57
Speaker 2: And even if you have a tumor, like I said,
34:59
Speaker 2: it takes of up twenty you know, forty years or
35:03
Speaker 2: whatever for a solid tumor you ever show up in
35:06
Speaker 2: a person. And that's because that's how wouldy they are
35:10
Speaker 2: and you So it's one of the reasons that the
35:16
Speaker 2: cancer is going up is because we are becoming less
35:19
Speaker 2: healthy as a population. That's basically the competition between our
35:24
Speaker 2: normal body and our immune system and the cancer cells.
35:27
Speaker 2: We're losing that competition every generation. Every generation is losing
35:32
Speaker 2: that competition because we're getting less and less healthy. And
35:37
Speaker 2: the poisons and the carcinogens are going up and up
35:40
Speaker 2: and up. And that's why now all of a sudden,
35:43
Speaker 2: you know, it used to take, like I said, decades
35:45
Speaker 2: for a solid tumor to pop up. And you take
35:48
Speaker 2: these these injections, you get a cancer to kill you.
35:53
Speaker 2: Like I say, hours, days and weeks months, you know,
35:56
Speaker 2: I mean that says it all. Our environment is what's
35:58
Speaker 2: killing us.
36:01
Speaker 1: And I lost conversation. We briefly touched on this, so
36:03
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask for perhaps some more detailed response.
36:06
Speaker 1: But what affect does a ketogenic wood low carbohydrate diets
36:11
Speaker 1: have on cancer?
36:14
Speaker 2: It's basically a preventive, that's the real thing is. And
36:20
Speaker 2: even if you have cancer, it's very good to do that.
36:24
Speaker 2: Keep way down low on glucos, have zero as much
36:28
Speaker 2: as you can. The ketogenic diets are basically that you're
36:32
Speaker 2: basically at war with that cancer and you're not feeding.
36:35
Speaker 2: So that's good. And cancers. One of the things about
36:37
Speaker 2: cancer says they are so whimpy. You know that once
36:41
Speaker 2: you do something like this, they die really really fast.
36:45
Speaker 2: They go really fast. I think I might have mentioned
36:47
Speaker 2: Kley's tocsin last time. A little bit that's been around
36:51
Speaker 2: God since the late nineteenth century early twentieth century. This
36:57
Speaker 2: daughter wrote a book about it and documented all the
37:01
Speaker 2: places in the world and the outcomes of the cold toxin.
37:05
Speaker 2: I'll tell people in the moment what they really are.
37:08
Speaker 2: And she compared it with what was going on in
37:13
Speaker 2: the cancer cancer treatments that don't use it, and for
37:18
Speaker 2: people who aren't familiar with this, chemotherapy in the United States,
37:23
Speaker 2: there's a five year survival rate of people on chemo
37:26
Speaker 2: therapies two to three years, two to three years to
37:29
Speaker 2: this day. And I also want to add that chemotherapy
37:33
Speaker 2: is a six leading car synergen in the United States
37:36
Speaker 2: and chemo therapy right now, Colee toxin, I'll just tell
37:42
Speaker 2: you what he did. It generates a high spiking fever
37:45
Speaker 2: in a person he witnesses. It was just a natural thing.
37:48
Speaker 2: And he does it intentionally with this that high spiking
37:52
Speaker 2: fever over the years, and this has been known even
37:56
Speaker 2: like I said, when I say, a couple of thousand
37:57
Speaker 2: years ago, I think the Romans knew it. You know,
38:01
Speaker 2: if you had a fever, you know your pain would
38:05
Speaker 2: go away, your cancer would go away. And that's what
38:10
Speaker 2: Colely uh his Coally toxins do. They're like back to
38:14
Speaker 2: bacteria and they're dead, but the ejects them into people
38:18
Speaker 2: that have cancer. It gives them these really high fevers
38:22
Speaker 2: and the cancer cells start dying immediately. They start dying immediately.
38:26
Speaker 2: They can be dead in hours, you know. And uh,
38:31
Speaker 2: and they have a fifty five year survival rate. The
38:34
Speaker 2: cold toxic fifty percent, you know. And they use these
38:40
Speaker 2: in Europe and in Mexico, but not in the United
38:42
Speaker 2: States unless you do it in conjunction with chemotherapy. So
38:46
Speaker 2: you see, there's something seriously wrong. There's an institutional problem
38:49
Speaker 2: basically in the United States.
38:51
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it might be worse than that. Can
38:53
Speaker 1: I read you some numbers there, David, Listen to this
38:56
Speaker 1: cancer medicine spending globally. It's two hundred fifty two billion
39:01
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty four, and that's just on drugs
39:04
Speaker 1: at list prices, and that's expected to reach four hundred
39:07
Speaker 1: and forty one billion dollars by twenty twenty nine. Overall
39:10
Speaker 1: oncology was estimated at around three hundred and twenty billion
39:14
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, is projected to hit eight hundred
39:16
Speaker 1: and sixty six billion by twenty thirty four. Cancer diagnostics
39:19
Speaker 1: alone were valued at one hundred and fifty nine billion
39:23
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, and drug spending grew seventy five
39:26
Speaker 1: percent in just five years between twenty twenty and well now,
39:31
Speaker 1: averaging eighty twelve percent growth per year. What chance do
39:35
Speaker 1: people like you have, well, you mean.
39:39
Speaker 2: In what respect professionally or cancer or well, I mean
39:43
Speaker 2: pushing back, Oh, pushing that, Well, a pretty good chance now,
39:48
Speaker 2: because we're talking about it publicly right now, and I've
39:52
Speaker 2: been talking about it now ever since COVID. COVID has
39:55
Speaker 2: been a blessing globally. In one sense, it's been a
39:59
Speaker 2: night mayor a horror. But ever since February of twenty twenty,
40:05
Speaker 2: when John Lawrence had called me to get into this battle,
40:08
Speaker 2: I've been in it continuously since then. Started out slow,
40:11
Speaker 2: but now it's accelerating. I do so many zoom calls.
40:15
Speaker 2: I wish I had a dollar fairy zoom thing I
40:17
Speaker 2: do now. I don't get paid for any of this,
40:20
Speaker 2: and been working with I've been working with lawyers on
40:24
Speaker 2: for continent since COVID, you know, and still working with
40:28
Speaker 2: people like that and meeting other people with different expertise
40:32
Speaker 2: you know, I know about AIDS and cancer, and other
40:36
Speaker 2: people know about this, about that, and all over the world.
40:40
Speaker 2: You know, I do these zoom things with people and
40:42
Speaker 2: we learn and share information. So it's it's a renaissance.
40:46
Speaker 2: I've been saying it was a renaissance from the beginning,
40:49
Speaker 2: and they people say crazy, but it's a renaissance. This horror, well,
40:54
Speaker 2: the World War One, right before the horrors that were
40:58
Speaker 2: going on in Europe, you had you had quantum mechanics.
41:02
Speaker 2: It was one of the most explosive, gigantic understandings and
41:06
Speaker 2: developments in the history of science and physics. You know,
41:09
Speaker 2: quantum mechanics was going on during this horriticious, horrific period,
41:14
Speaker 2: you know, World War One and then in World War Two,
41:17
Speaker 2: and it seems like these these renaissance they it wasn't
41:21
Speaker 2: even just that it was that was also when Kohley
41:25
Speaker 2: was there. You know, they were doing their things and
41:28
Speaker 2: other people were and and that's what's going on right now,
41:34
Speaker 2: is that basically we are learning and our minds are
41:38
Speaker 2: clicking and we're sharing stuff in the midst of horrors.
41:41
Speaker 2: And that's what happened in the early twentieth century.
41:44
Speaker 1: But David listened to this. The US National Cancer Ines
41:46
Speaker 1: that'd NCI, the world's largest cancer research funder, spent twenty
41:51
Speaker 1: five billion dollars on cancer Grantz between twenty fifteen and
41:55
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Theodore Baveri already understood cancer over a
41:59
Speaker 1: century ago. What are they researching?
42:03
Speaker 2: They're researching is so what they're not researching? And this
42:08
Speaker 2: is a commitment. They have silenced anybody by Peter Dusburg,
42:12
Speaker 2: meet anybody that threatens you. Talk about these billions of
42:15
Speaker 2: dollars here, and they're all combined. We're talking about a
42:17
Speaker 2: trillion dollar health care industry. You know, it's all about money.
42:21
Speaker 2: The more and more money there is, the more and
42:23
Speaker 2: more cancer there is, not the more and more cures
42:26
Speaker 2: that I mean money is money is made of incurable disease,
42:32
Speaker 2: and they're doing every damn thing they can not to
42:35
Speaker 2: cure it. In fact, they're doing everything they can increased disease.
42:38
Speaker 2: This is intentional. It's obvious, and now it's always been
42:43
Speaker 2: that way, but now it's obvious in the open. Money
42:47
Speaker 2: is the weapon that's destroying everything.
42:50
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is the way then to prevent cancer?
42:54
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing to do is stop causing it.
42:59
Speaker 2: You know, and let the glyphas. You know, Glycis is
43:03
Speaker 2: that Carcentergen. It's proved to be a Carcentergen. I actually,
43:07
Speaker 2: my wife and I actually visited the place in Italy
43:10
Speaker 2: where they did that. They have this magnificent independent place,
43:14
Speaker 2: uses independent money, you know, to do this. They looked
43:18
Speaker 2: at it, and they did a couple of times. And
43:19
Speaker 2: when people said, we all poly check this, and they
43:22
Speaker 2: go back and redo it even deeper. The evidence is
43:25
Speaker 2: even stronger. And I've got this in my book, by
43:27
Speaker 2: the way, about what they did with glyphosate in Italy.
43:32
Speaker 2: So the thing is, we're going to have to change
43:35
Speaker 2: this and cut to the chase. Cut to the chase.
43:39
Speaker 2: That the institutions of society, especially in here in the
43:43
Speaker 2: United States, and I know it better than any other
43:45
Speaker 2: place obviously I live here. It's not fixable. These institutions
43:50
Speaker 2: are rotten to the core. They are not fixable. The
43:54
Speaker 2: principles like our constitution. I take that seriously. And it's
43:59
Speaker 2: totally irrelevant now because the people in power totally ignore
44:02
Speaker 2: it and they don't live up to it, and they're
44:04
Speaker 2: not accountable. And it's not fixable. So I don't know
44:08
Speaker 2: the details, but it will collapse, you know, to what
44:12
Speaker 2: we have right now. The system probably around the world,
44:14
Speaker 2: but here in the United States is going to collapse,
44:17
Speaker 2: and it should. Like if you have a dangerous building
44:21
Speaker 2: that it's too dangerous to live in, you need to
44:24
Speaker 2: demolish it, don't fix it, demolish it, clear it out,
44:28
Speaker 2: and rebuild it. And that's what's going to have to happen.
44:31
Speaker 2: And I think on a much smaller scale, the model
44:35
Speaker 2: that I see here in the United States, I think
44:37
Speaker 2: the states are a good size, you know, to have
44:40
Speaker 2: reasonable control state by state and we work together instead
44:44
Speaker 2: of having a central government. I think that is a big,
44:47
Speaker 2: big mistake to have a central government, or you concentrate
44:51
Speaker 2: everything in one place and then we can figure it out.
44:56
Speaker 2: Those details I don't want to get into those right now,
44:59
Speaker 2: but the the big picture is is that it's coming.
45:02
Speaker 2: It's going to collapse, and states are already thinking about
45:05
Speaker 2: going individual this way that way. Even in Canada, I
45:08
Speaker 2: think is one of the little I don't they call
45:11
Speaker 2: them states or provinces or something. I think they're thinking
45:13
Speaker 2: of joining the US, you know, or whatever it is.
45:17
Speaker 2: So that is right now, we're in the demodent. We're
45:21
Speaker 2: in the understanding stage, the imaginative stage, and the demolishing stage.
45:28
Speaker 1: No, okay, fair enough, but let's let's come back to reality.
45:32
Speaker 1: So someone is listening to our conversation, going, okay, I
45:35
Speaker 1: can't change any of that, but I can change things
45:37
Speaker 1: in my own life to help prevent cancer. What are
45:40
Speaker 1: some of those things, Well.
45:43
Speaker 2: Don't go to doctors and don't take drugs. Drugs are
45:47
Speaker 2: very dangerous, very very dangerous.
45:49
Speaker 1: Hold on, what do you mean when you say don't
45:51
Speaker 1: take drugs? You mean medication or drugs as in luck.
45:54
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not well, I mean recreation, all drugs.
45:58
Speaker 2: Stop taking drugs, you know I don't. I haven't been
46:02
Speaker 2: to a doctor or taking drugs. God, for decades. I
46:05
Speaker 2: mean the only time I went to the doctor is
46:07
Speaker 2: get my eyes. I had to get my eyes done
46:09
Speaker 2: because I had cataracts. You know. I don't take any drugs.
46:13
Speaker 2: And we have been a healthy species for one hundred
46:16
Speaker 2: thousand years at least without all this crap. We're becoming
46:19
Speaker 2: less healthy every day, you know. So find individuals. Do
46:25
Speaker 2: not trust institutions, do not trust protocols. Protocols are deadly.
46:29
Speaker 2: Protocols are deadly. Their machine. You follow these rules and
46:33
Speaker 2: you do it. When I was a kid, the physicians
46:36
Speaker 2: were independent. You know. The individual is the important thing,
46:41
Speaker 2: not the institution. So if you want, if you want
46:44
Speaker 2: good health, find an individual, you know, if you need
46:47
Speaker 2: something specific, find that individual and somebody you can trust.
46:51
Speaker 2: Stay away from institutions there, you know, the institutions. The
46:56
Speaker 2: people who are individuals were the ones that were forced
46:59
Speaker 2: out because they refused to do the insanity that was
47:03
Speaker 2: forced on them during during the COVID thing. So there
47:07
Speaker 2: are a lot of those out there. It's just hard
47:09
Speaker 2: to find, you know, because they don't have a voice.
47:13
Speaker 2: But so, I mean, that's what that's what we have
47:16
Speaker 2: to do, right, go back to humanity, stay away from machine,
47:19
Speaker 2: go back to humanity individuals.
47:22
Speaker 1: And as we said earlier, you know, improve your diet also.
47:27
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, like I say, there was a reason
47:30
Speaker 2: why we've been around for one hundred thousand or more
47:32
Speaker 2: years that it wasn't because of commercial food, you know.
47:36
Speaker 2: But we have a nice big garden out back, my
47:38
Speaker 2: life plants, all this stuff I harvested cooking, you know,
47:42
Speaker 2: and a lot of other people's neighbors around here that
47:44
Speaker 2: we have to go back decades, get away, go backwards
47:49
Speaker 2: instead of forward, you know, in a way, because the
47:52
Speaker 2: decades are the history of where periods were saved. You know,
47:55
Speaker 2: when people talk about polio polio vaccine, it's very clear,
48:00
Speaker 2: been known for a long long time. There's no section
48:02
Speaker 2: thing is a polio virus. It doesn't even exist. It's
48:05
Speaker 2: not a contagious deceive. They know. It had to do
48:07
Speaker 2: with that dust I forget what they call it now.
48:11
Speaker 2: They were spewing all over people, you know, to disinfect things,
48:16
Speaker 2: you know, and it was very very toxic, neurotoxic because
48:20
Speaker 2: polio it wasn't a virus. You know, this this program
48:25
Speaker 2: that we're in now, it started a long long time ago.
48:28
Speaker 2: Now it's industrialized, it's trillions of dollars bigger.
48:32
Speaker 1: Are you quite optimistic.
48:35
Speaker 2: In the long run? Yeah, I'm in the long run
48:40
Speaker 2: because there's been what I mean, I don't know if
48:45
Speaker 2: humans do very well, but you know there's three at
48:50
Speaker 2: least three, maybe four great destructive cycles on the earth
48:54
Speaker 2: over millions of years. You know, the dinosaurs and all
48:58
Speaker 2: these other things that go away, wipe out you like
49:00
Speaker 2: nine of the species, and they take about one hundred
49:04
Speaker 2: million years of whatever, and they'd start coming back again.
49:07
Speaker 2: This happened three or four times in our history, So
49:11
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be that bad, you know,
49:15
Speaker 2: because that was like something crashing into the earth, or
49:19
Speaker 2: big volcanoes or something eruptions that were very much much
49:23
Speaker 2: bigger than what we're going through right now. So I
49:27
Speaker 2: think it's not going to be that devastating. I don't
49:29
Speaker 2: think humans are going to be wiped out. I think
49:31
Speaker 2: we're going to survive and all of that. But it's
49:36
Speaker 2: going to be painful, and there's going to be a
49:39
Speaker 2: bit real reduction in the population of the world. I
49:44
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be anywhere nearly as much
49:47
Speaker 2: as the people in charge. They wanted the population reduced
49:50
Speaker 2: down to about three hundred to five hundred million people,
49:54
Speaker 2: you know, and we're what eight billion right now. I
49:58
Speaker 2: don't think it's good. It's going to be millions, tens
50:01
Speaker 2: of millions, probably hundreds of millions of people that are
50:05
Speaker 2: going to die. There's all the SARS Kobe two injections
50:09
Speaker 2: are already conservatively but clearly documented to have killed about
50:13
Speaker 2: twenty million people. Twenty million people, right, okay, and that's
50:19
Speaker 2: just those injections. Probably much worse. I mean, the cancers,
50:23
Speaker 2: the cancers you know, since COVID, since the injections, cancer,
50:27
Speaker 2: but prior to that was the third was the third
50:30
Speaker 2: leading cause of deaths in the United States. Since the injections,
50:34
Speaker 2: it is the second leading cause of death in the
50:36
Speaker 2: United States. Yeah. Yeah, And it's people. Now, that's the
50:42
Speaker 2: big issue right now. People are dying of cancer in
50:46
Speaker 2: this country at an alarming rates. I mean, you know,
50:51
Speaker 2: in fact, our population life expectancy or the average population
50:56
Speaker 2: numbers are going down in the United States.
50:59
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a friend whose father in end
51:05
Speaker 1: of December January, beginning of January this year was diagnosed
51:09
Speaker 1: with bone marrow cancer and they said he had about
51:15
Speaker 1: six to twelve months left to live, and he doesn't
51:20
Speaker 1: trust the system at all. And what did he do.
51:24
Speaker 1: He went onto a carnivorous diet, eating only meat. He
51:28
Speaker 1: ignored the advice from the doctors, and he took some ivermectin. Well,
51:33
Speaker 1: he's not home and he's almost back to normal and
51:37
Speaker 1: his cancer is now apparently in remission. Now I've got
51:42
Speaker 1: an ethical question to ask you. Should the doctor be
51:47
Speaker 1: saying you have six to twelve months left to live?
51:50
Speaker 2: Of course not, but who that was an institutional doctor.
51:55
Speaker 2: That was like when we started this conversation, that's one
51:58
Speaker 2: of those people that their whole life to their career
52:02
Speaker 2: going up in decades to do that and then try
52:04
Speaker 2: to save it, and basically they've turned into robot. If
52:08
Speaker 2: I want to keep this, you know, I have to
52:11
Speaker 2: really stay between the lines and do what. Don't go
52:15
Speaker 2: outside those lines, you know. And then there's those people
52:18
Speaker 2: who go outside the lines, and they're the hope, you know,
52:23
Speaker 2: So I rerected that was the hope. You see.
52:29
Speaker 1: Well, the good news is that he's not normal. He's
52:31
Speaker 1: living a normal life again.
52:32
Speaker 2: Yes, is that easy, don't you think? Isn't that a shocker?
52:38
Speaker 2: We're spacing, We're facing shockers left and right, and they're
52:42
Speaker 2: going to keep coming. The shockers about how many people
52:46
Speaker 2: are dying from the injections, you know, and the shockers
52:50
Speaker 2: of the rapid creasing cancer over time, and then the
52:54
Speaker 2: shocker of this person taking something so simple is understood
52:58
Speaker 2: for god for a sens you know, almost with the
53:03
Speaker 2: Warburg effect you know about the glycolois has been you know,
53:07
Speaker 2: and then it works.
53:09
Speaker 1: The problem David, though, is when somebody is told that
53:12
Speaker 1: they got cancer, it's basically like being given a death sentence, okay,
53:17
Speaker 1: and I think it probably adds to your own demise
53:22
Speaker 1: because that stress is highly destructive.
53:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. There's no dispute you know about that.
53:31
Speaker 2: And uh, that's that's all part of the game. It's
53:34
Speaker 2: not just the drugs, it's the mental thing. You don't
53:37
Speaker 2: have any chances, you know, I mean, every aspect of
53:40
Speaker 2: it is a weapon to put you in the grave.
53:44
Speaker 2: Once you see that. It takes a long time for
53:46
Speaker 2: people to realize the intentionality of all of this, you see.
53:51
Speaker 2: And but then when you so forget about what people
53:54
Speaker 2: tell you, look at what you see right before your eyes.
53:57
Speaker 2: This guy took ibermcted and that's good. Use your eyes
54:00
Speaker 2: in your brain.
54:01
Speaker 1: And he also ate only meat, just to be clear,
54:05
Speaker 1: meets good for you. So no sugar, no sugar, stay
54:09
Speaker 1: away from glukups, that's for sure. So crust forget all that,
54:13
Speaker 1: you know.
54:14
Speaker 2: So, yes, diet think it's a multi thing, your psychological thing. Independence,
54:21
Speaker 2: having a free mind, you know, to make your own
54:24
Speaker 2: decisions and don't get brainwashed or don't get intimidated and
54:29
Speaker 2: forced this way in that way, be independent, you know,
54:33
Speaker 2: be an outsider. It's this is a time for the outsiders.
54:38
Speaker 2: We are right now in the midst of the outsiders era,
54:42
Speaker 2: you know, you know. But but it's also a liberating thing,
54:46
Speaker 2: you see. Uh, it's liberating. Like what you that story
54:50
Speaker 2: you just told. Don't you think that's liberating? Yes, it's liberating.
54:55
Speaker 2: It liberates your soul, It liberates your mind. Uh, it
54:59
Speaker 2: liberates your heart. It you know. And uh so that's
55:04
Speaker 2: that's war, man, I swear, honest God, that's warm. Uh,
55:07
Speaker 2: it's war is basically a psycholog psychological aspect is the
55:11
Speaker 2: biggest weapon, you know, And that's why we have to
55:15
Speaker 2: change that psychology, you know, and free ourselves. Do not
55:19
Speaker 2: be part of it, do not accept it, do not
55:22
Speaker 2: accept any aspect of it.
55:25
Speaker 1: All right, David, I'd like to have a discussion with
55:28
Speaker 1: you again, but this time now only on HIV and AIDS,
55:31
Speaker 1: since it was highly compressed in that previous conversation. I'll
55:36
Speaker 1: chat you off to we've recorded about that. But for now,
55:39
Speaker 1: how can I get your book?
55:42
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, you can go to my website. It's on
55:46
Speaker 2: the cover, I mean the homepage, and you click on
55:50
Speaker 2: the publisher down to bom you'll see the picture of
55:53
Speaker 2: my book. It's the outsider of personal honesty.
55:55
Speaker 1: Your website is.
55:57
Speaker 2: My website is David Rasnik dot it's my name, David
56:01
Speaker 2: Rasnik Rasnick dot com. And it's available at Trying Day.
56:06
Speaker 2: That's the publisher. And if you go to Amazon, Amazon
56:10
Speaker 2: takes off about reduces the price really really low. That's
56:14
Speaker 2: what you normally do when they're not selling. But when Amazon,
56:17
Speaker 2: I've learned this from the publisher and other people, when
56:19
Speaker 2: they want a really important book that's politically not acceptable,
56:23
Speaker 2: we really go down on the price for some strange reason.
56:26
Speaker 2: I think the star of the publisher of money. So
56:29
Speaker 2: go to the publisher Trying Day and click on it.
56:33
Speaker 2: It takes you a link. It says available try and Day.
56:35
Speaker 2: Click on that takes your link. You can go there
56:38
Speaker 2: and get it from those folks. And there's also reviews
56:40
Speaker 2: and things on my website of the book.
56:43
Speaker 1: David Resnick, you are God send God, my friend. Thank
56:46
Speaker 1: you so much for joining me in the trenches.
56:48
Speaker 2: You are too man. You're a warrior. You're doing your
56:50
Speaker 2: thing and I really appreciate it. Hey,