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Tigers Win Series vs. Baltimore, Lose Jobe For Season · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network eight Tigers podcast. I'm Er Sickley
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Speaker 1: with me as always a man who knows the value
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Speaker 1: of a well line. He is Cody Stavin Eggan. How
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Speaker 1: you doing facts?
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Speaker 2: You gotta take care of your lawn. Should know your
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Speaker 2: own line. They'll be hiring people to do that. Come on.
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Speaker 1: I have nothing else to add because I agree one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent. I would feel I would feel weird actually
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Speaker 1: having somebody work on my line. But that maybe that's
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Speaker 1: a me thing. That's just a me thing. What's an
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Speaker 1: US thing, Cody, is that we are watching and talking about,
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Speaker 1: in your case, riding about a team that continues to
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Speaker 1: be on a tear. The Tigers wrap up a series
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Speaker 1: at Baltimore three one or two to one series win.
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Speaker 1: It's a four to one victory today. They obviously lose
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Speaker 1: one to ten on Wednesday and a five three victory
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Speaker 1: on news Day Schooble today. We'll talk about him in
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Speaker 1: a second. Just I would say, kind of casual, casual excellence,
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Speaker 1: kind of walk in the park, a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a pun there, and like I said, we'll get to
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff that happened in the series. But
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Speaker 1: the number one news, Cody is that Jackson Joe his
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Speaker 1: season is done. What we thought was maybe something minor,
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Speaker 1: maybe something a little bit more than meyer uh minor,
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Speaker 1: I accidentally did a pun there turns out to be
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Speaker 1: something quite severe and that is ucl surgery. He is
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Speaker 1: having Tommy John surgery TJ, as the kids are calling it,
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Speaker 1: and he will be out the rest of the season
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Speaker 1: and then a prolonged absence after that that obviously we
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly how long that will take, but it's
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Speaker 1: an unfortunate blow to the tires and multiple facets. But
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Speaker 1: you're kind of instant analysis of this news maybe just
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Speaker 1: like the process, like the process, I guess because we
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Speaker 1: joke all the time on here about like I just
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Speaker 1: never believe in any sort of arm injury. That's like
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my next start, which I don't think
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Speaker 1: Joe claimed that, but it's like, oh, it's grade one,
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Speaker 1: and any time there's anything with a picture, I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: like I'm automatically and hold my breath mode. And unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: this is just like another example.
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Speaker 2: As to why, Yeah, if you guys don't understand yet,
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Speaker 2: why I'm always skeptical about what we're first told about injuries.
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Speaker 2: We continue to have evidence that supports the fact we
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Speaker 2: should always be skeptical about the first that the first
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Speaker 2: thing we hear about injuries. Well, small thing here. The
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Speaker 2: official language from the team was UCL surgery. Everyone myself
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Speaker 2: included and started throwing around Tommy John. Jeff Greenberg after
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Speaker 2: the game was kind of asked like what kind of
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Speaker 2: procedures he having. He basically said, they don't know yet.
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Speaker 2: I think it's possible. I think if they weren't expecting TJ,
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Speaker 2: this probably would have been like corrected more publicly right now.
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Speaker 2: But technically a UCL surgery could be an internal brace
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Speaker 2: procedure that is not the same as Tommy John surgery.
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Speaker 2: Just a little education for the people here. You could
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Speaker 2: do an internal brace which basically can fortify the UCL
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Speaker 2: and mean you don't have to have a full reconstruction
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Speaker 2: of that ligament. You're still gonna miss almost a year.
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Speaker 2: But there are some guys who have done this and
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Speaker 2: had quicker recoveries. Now another common thing pretty much what
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Speaker 2: everyone's getting done these days. I think what Sawyer Gibson
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Speaker 2: long had done, you get the UCL reconstruction so they
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Speaker 2: you know, put another ligament in your elbow, and then
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Speaker 2: they add an internal brace basically to fortify this replaced ligament.
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Speaker 2: It acts as a seat belt, and that is also
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Speaker 2: making recoveries a little bit quicker. That's why Sawyer Gibson
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Speaker 2: long is back. You know, it's not a full eighteen months.
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Speaker 2: It's like a little more than a year since his
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Speaker 2: actual procedure, and we don't really know yet. There's not
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Speaker 2: enough data and not enough time has gone on to
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Speaker 2: know if an internal brace makes these ligaments last longer.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my spiel from having written about too
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Speaker 2: many Tommy John surgeries and various UCL procedures. Regardless, this
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Speaker 2: is very bad news for Jackson job. He's going to
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Speaker 2: miss obviously the remainder of this season, I would expect
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of next season, regardless of the nature
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Speaker 2: of the procedure, quite possibly all of next season. And
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Speaker 2: the Tigers. I think you're in an okay spot to
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Speaker 2: weather this right now, but when you kind of step back,
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Speaker 2: it's like, man, you know, this really eats into your
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Speaker 2: plans for next season. This eats into your plans for
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, regardless of what happens with Trek Scugle.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a thought if you don't resign Schooble,
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Speaker 2: hey you got Job. He could be the next ace.
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Speaker 2: Or if you do resign Schooble or whatever, hey you
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Speaker 2: got two horses leading you into the future. Now it's
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Speaker 2: like Job will be back in twenty twenty seven and
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Speaker 2: he's still barely pitched in the major leagues and will
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Speaker 2: be fresh off surgery, and we just don't know. It's like,
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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a big deal for the team,
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Speaker 2: and then I don't want the human elements get lost.
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Speaker 2: It really sucks for Jackson Job, guy who has worked
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Speaker 2: very hard, overcomes some non arm injuries in the minor leagues,
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Speaker 2: back him, Spring et cetera earned a spot in camp.
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Speaker 2: You know saw some flashes. Success also had some I
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Speaker 2: think tough learning lessons his early stint in the major leagues,
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Speaker 2: But I feel like you could see him learning and
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Speaker 2: getting better in real time. I feel like, you know,
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Speaker 2: we weren't that far away from Jackson Job to really
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Speaker 2: start clicking. But of course, last couple starts, I think
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Speaker 2: you could tell something was off. Turns out something very
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Speaker 2: big was off, and now here we are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you care about win loss record, he
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Speaker 1: finishes his rookie season with a four to one record,
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Speaker 1: with a four point two two ERA thirty nine strikeouts
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Speaker 1: in forty nine innings. Uh, just a tick above, you
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Speaker 1: know in the positives in the war department. And you
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Speaker 1: know a guy that now with joke, just had like
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Speaker 1: probably the longest rest time, you know, from between innings
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Speaker 1: of anybody on the team. It just seems like he
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Speaker 1: always got a lot of run support this season, and
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Speaker 1: and one that I think we were all excited to
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Speaker 1: see what the end of season product of job was
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Speaker 1: gonna be, like, you know, whether it was gonna be
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Speaker 1: one of those Rookie of the Year type seasons, like
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Speaker 1: who knows, but he he had definitely shown enough to
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Speaker 1: make you think, like, you know, the the you know,
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Speaker 1: live at the end of the tunnel for a rookie
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Speaker 1: on a good team, you know, obviously far from a
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Speaker 1: finished product. And and we won't get and we won't
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Speaker 1: get to see that, We won't get to see that
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Speaker 1: for a long time. And I'm glad you brought up
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Speaker 1: the human element. I wrote I had a little chart
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Speaker 1: here in my notes, you know, kind of losers of
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Speaker 1: the Joe injury, and then we're not gonna do winners,
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Speaker 1: but just like opportunities for you know, the job injury,
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Speaker 1: and the number one loser is Joe because it's him,
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Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's exactly like it's his life,
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Speaker 1: it's his career. He's the loser. The team is a
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Speaker 1: loser because like this is a guy who's a valuable
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Speaker 1: asset for the Tigers move forward. And it's another it's
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Speaker 1: another knock on the depth of the starting rotation, something
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Speaker 1: that was beyond a strength coming into this year. And
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Speaker 1: there's like one after another, some more severe than others, obviously,
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Speaker 1: but one after another. You see this rotation affected. There
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Speaker 1: will be no CBA inspired draft compensation for Jackson job
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Speaker 1: this year. I know this is down the list of things,
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Speaker 1: but this is like all a part of it.
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Speaker 2: And some suddenly he was she had that extra year
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Speaker 2: team control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, sometimes things work out how they work out, Cody,
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Speaker 1: and and really what the Job injury does, I think
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Speaker 1: more than anything else, it shine a spotlight on so
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Speaker 1: many other fastests of this team's construction. And we're gonna
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Speaker 1: so far, so we'll keep we'll keep that up. Cody. Probably,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, the biggest spotlight that this shine this,
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Speaker 1: this Jove News shines on is the guy that was
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Speaker 1: kind of made, that was brought to this team to
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Speaker 1: at that time complete the rotation. And that's Ale's cop
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Speaker 1: Ale Skav who you know, made the jump from West
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Speaker 1: Michigan to Toledo, you know, not for really any other
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Speaker 1: reason other than advance up the level of hitters that
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Speaker 1: you're facing. And he looked and I'm not even gonna
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Speaker 1: the numbers because in my opinion, they're somewhat irrelevant, like
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Speaker 1: he just still looks the same. He looks uncomfortable. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like a like he just doesn't have the
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Speaker 1: functionality of a starting pitcher. That's how it looks. That's
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Speaker 1: how it looks like. I hope I'm not speaking out
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Speaker 1: of turn here, but it does look.
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Speaker 2: Like watching like an old like a grandpa, throw of baseball.
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Speaker 2: Like he Alex Cub's a great guy. I do not
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Speaker 2: mean that personally. Yeah, I'm sure he would probably agree, right,
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Speaker 2: just look and I'm sure it doesn't feel good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks painful, you know. And and and had
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Speaker 1: this been some sort of normal injury recovery thing where
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Speaker 1: he was like really ramping up. You would kind of
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Speaker 1: feel fortunate that, like, all right, here comes this veteran
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Speaker 1: cob to kind of like supplement the rotation or solidify
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Speaker 1: the rotation in a different way. It just doesn't really
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Speaker 1: feel like the confidence level to do that does not
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Speaker 1: exist in my mind. So like, so in that sense,
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Speaker 1: his injury, like I put Cobbs like hip as like
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Speaker 1: a loser of this because this would be an opportunity
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Speaker 1: for him to come in and you know, nullify the
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Speaker 1: job loss in some fashion, and as of right now,
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Speaker 1: I can't see that. So I put that in the
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Speaker 1: loser category. And and the last one I had, I
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Speaker 1: had to do it. This is not me trying to
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Speaker 1: pile on, but it's just another example of Matt Manning
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Speaker 1: being out of sight, out of mind. He's not even
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Speaker 1: being used as a starter, So like, I understand all that,
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Speaker 1: but but it's just like, dude, this this is a
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Speaker 1: guy who thinks that he's a top five, you know,
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Speaker 1: team the team pitcher in baseball, and I commend him
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Speaker 1: for thinking that. There's just the team obviously doesn't think that,
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Speaker 1: and he is he's not throwing like it either, So
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Speaker 1: like this would be a perfect opportunity for Matt Manning
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Speaker 1: to come back, and then we can say what do
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Speaker 1: you make of Matt Manning? And and it's just like
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Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind. The fact that it's
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Speaker 1: out of sight, out of mind puts it in my
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Speaker 1: site and in my mind.
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Speaker 2: So when Matt Gage gets the call to the big
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Speaker 2: leagues before you, I don't care what line up your
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Speaker 2: face and righty left you whatever. When they're calling up
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Speaker 2: Matt Gage before you, it's not a good sign. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, the whole forty man thing continues
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Speaker 1: to stick out to me as well there, so uh,
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Speaker 1: I don't have to dwell on that. But just of note,
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Speaker 1: all right, opportunists again, not winners, opportunists. Uh. Peter Montero
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Speaker 1: is a guy that I don't know what his living
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Speaker 1: situation is between Toledo and in Detroit, but he could
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Speaker 1: probably get himself a short term lease in Detroit if
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have one already, because he is he is
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Speaker 1: in you're in the Tigers rotation now, and and just
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Speaker 1: for the record, he is you know, basically has identical numbers,
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Speaker 1: you know, a couple identical numbers to Joe basically the
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Speaker 1: same war more or less the same era. Uh you know,
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Speaker 1: forever that's worth. He's he's in just a tick older
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Speaker 1: than job too, so I didn't realize how similar they were.
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Speaker 1: He's about two years older, so a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: But you understand the premise, like young pitcher, guy with
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Speaker 1: a lot of talent, someone who does not have it
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Speaker 1: all together yet either, but someone obviously the pitching the
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Speaker 1: pitching staff like trusts and feels like they can utilize
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Speaker 1: Montero Peter you are now officially in the rotation. And
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Speaker 1: then somebody that we saw this week, Sawyer. It gives
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Speaker 1: along for the second time. He came in in the
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Speaker 1: bulk roll on on Monday or Tuesday, but you know,
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Speaker 1: series started, so I'm actually goes Monday in my mind
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and he had a fifty one pitch outing.
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Speaker 1: He went four point two, three hits, one run and
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Speaker 1: five k's. So like he he looks like somebody that
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Speaker 1: again there's a there's a lot to work with there,
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Speaker 1: and we know behind the scenes the Tigers have been
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Speaker 1: praising him for a while. And you know, speaking of
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Speaker 1: Tommy John, obviously he's fresh off off old that procedure
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Speaker 1: as you laid out there, so like the train keeps
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Speaker 1: moving on basically, So I don't mean to be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: congratulations Sawyer, congratulations Keeter, but like these are these are
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Speaker 1: the opportunities for these guys to come in and be
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Speaker 1: valuable members of a team that's twenty games above five
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Speaker 1: hundred in mid June. So those those guys are there.
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Speaker 1: And then someone that we talked about also Troy Melton,
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Speaker 1: who you know, it's not off to the greatest start
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Speaker 1: in Toledo that uh mankind has ever seen seven earned
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Speaker 1: in nine innings, but again a guy that the Tigers
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Speaker 1: brass really values and and potentially.
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Speaker 2: He could be knocking on that door.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially he could be on the fast track. Uh two,
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Speaker 1: uh to Detroit, second last one the the Marcela Meyer crowd.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean to bring up just like the
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Speaker 1: draft Harrison itself, although we've been down that road, we
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Speaker 1: don't have to recap it. But the general premise of
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Speaker 1: pitcher versus positional player like that, that.
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Speaker 2: Is a large reason why analytics teams generally advise against
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Speaker 2: drafting high school right hand pictures.
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Speaker 1: So like it will you know, it will rage on.
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Speaker 1: But if you were one of those guys, I prefer
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Speaker 1: the positional player versus the pitcher. Obviously not feeling great,
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Speaker 1: but it's like this would be why so if just
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Speaker 1: they would be opportunists there for the argument. And then
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Speaker 1: last one, I think this is the most interesting Cody
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Speaker 1: Scott Harris. And what I mean by that is, you know,
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Speaker 1: he was just on the radio talking about, you know,
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Speaker 1: what they're going to do with the deadline or how
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Speaker 1: they're going to approach it, and then the news comes out.
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Speaker 1: You now have a prime opportunity to you know, bolster
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Speaker 1: your team in multiple facets, and now another gap to
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Speaker 1: fill in some way. So the question is, we know
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Speaker 1: that a right handed bat is desired, we know that
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Speaker 1: a swing and miss reliever is desired, and now you're
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Speaker 1: down another starting pitcher. So the question is what's the order?
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Speaker 1: Does starter come up? Does it basically does it remain
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Speaker 1: the same because of those guys that I mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: Montero and Gibson long or do you do you kind
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Speaker 1: of middle it by getting getting someone who has some
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Speaker 1: sort of versatility on the mount. I don't know. Marget
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Speaker 1: will dictate it as much as anything else. But this
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Speaker 1: is like it. It's not the opportunity Scott Harris necessarily
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Speaker 1: wanted in terms of having a hole in your starting rope,
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Speaker 1: but it's still another opportunity for him to improve the team,
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Speaker 1: another avenue of which he can improve the team at
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Speaker 1: the deadline and prior. So those are my opportunists for
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Speaker 1: the job injury.
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Speaker 2: Kier and I had been batting this round in my
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Speaker 2: head even before the job injury. Is there a real
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Speaker 2: case for the Tigers to go get a starting pitcher?
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Speaker 2: This is the team that did pitching chaos, So maybe
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Speaker 2: they don't. Maybe they just don't need it. Maybe they're
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Speaker 2: gonna get great returns out of Matt Cage, maybe Bailey
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Speaker 2: Horne will come back like they have proven. There are
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Speaker 2: the other ways you can do this, but here you are.
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Speaker 2: You will have the best record in baseball, You have
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Speaker 2: a prime opportunity. Your rotation has been tested and it
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Speaker 2: has been hit with injuries. You still have Scooble Myze, Flaherty, Olsen,
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Speaker 2: and then a combination sgl Cater Cobb, maybe Melting. Maybe
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Speaker 2: someone else can come up eventually, But I what if
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Speaker 2: there's another injury? God forbid, God forbid the thing no
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Speaker 2: one will say what if school hurts himself, even if
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Speaker 2: it's just minor, What if he's fielding a ball and
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Speaker 2: he rolls his anklers on the you're trying to win
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, bro, I think there's a real case,
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Speaker 2: maybe even before job got hurt, especially if they want
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Speaker 2: to keep guys on this extra day's wrestling to go
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Speaker 2: get another starting pitcher, and now that job is hurt.
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Speaker 2: I think there's a legitimate case because you don't you
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Speaker 2: want some depth. You want to roll into a postseason
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Speaker 2: series and say we have a better rotation than you.
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Speaker 2: Maybe not just Joe Blow either, Maybe you go get
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Speaker 2: a real guy. I don't know what Sandy al Contra
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Speaker 2: is gonna cost. I'm not going to bang the table
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Speaker 2: to trade prime prospects because the Tigers are set up
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Speaker 2: too well for years to come. But your farm system
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Speaker 2: is good enough, you have some depth, and you can
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Speaker 2: do some things.
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Speaker 1: I think there's just I.
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Speaker 2: Think they should think long and hard about getting a
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Speaker 2: quality major league starting pitcher at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 1: Me personally, I put it at number two. I put
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Speaker 1: it at I put right handed bat. Now, maybe some
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Speaker 1: of these things that have been going on, maybe solves
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Speaker 1: themselves a little bit. But you know, kind of going
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Speaker 1: back to what we were saying earlier, I put bad ahead
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Speaker 1: of that, but I probably put another starter number two,
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Speaker 1: because I think you can still manufacture the bullpen more
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Speaker 1: so than can.
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Speaker 2: Bullpen is my number one though. You're trying to win
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Speaker 2: in the postseason, and having a bullpen really helps you
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, arguably more than starting pitching the bat.
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Speaker 2: I'm still a little worried about the offense regressing. We've
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Speaker 2: seen the offense regress a little bit, but like, there
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Speaker 2: are also some bats you can they need a bat.
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Speaker 2: Like you're trying to win the series, you need a bat.
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Speaker 2: But in a way writing in as bad as third
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Speaker 2: like that, to me, that is a luxury, and the pitching,
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Speaker 2: I think is almost more of a necessity if you
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Speaker 2: want to keep playing at the level you're playing at.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you guys think at Cody Stavenhagen at
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Speaker 1: Qanoni scores deciclely at Tiger territory underscore what's your hierarchy
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Speaker 1: on deadline needs? How much did the job situation change
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Speaker 1: that we're going to get to another bullpen element? And
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Speaker 1: maybe the seriousness of which I talk about it might
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. You know last year, Cody,
21:48
Speaker 1: I you know, I remember where I was when Bowbrisky
21:52
Speaker 1: came in and got out of a jam over at Camden. Uh,
21:56
Speaker 1: you know the Sweeney play Like it's like exactly, I
22:00
Speaker 1: know exactly where I was, and I'll remember that the
22:02
Speaker 1: rest of my life watching that. And bow Brisky made
22:07
Speaker 1: his return to that ballpark on Wednesday again, get my
22:12
Speaker 1: days mixed up, and it was not good. And that's
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Speaker 1: the last that we're gonna see Brisky, you know for
22:18
Speaker 1: some time. He gets put down to triple a Toledo
22:23
Speaker 1: to get right. And this is something that we had
22:25
Speaker 1: kind of like batter around, we had talked about a
22:27
Speaker 1: little bit, but again, like how often you talk about
22:30
Speaker 1: the same thing. Now we have something tangible to to
22:33
Speaker 1: react to. And the numbers are worse than I think
22:39
Speaker 1: then I think you think just from from watching it,
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Speaker 1: he's a full one war negative player full one one
22:48
Speaker 1: point oh negative one point zero. How you do that?
22:51
Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 1: Partially A six five five era is part of how
22:55
Speaker 1: how you get there, and he was just not effective
23:00
Speaker 1: with his fastball. I don't want to I'm not going
23:02
Speaker 1: to like read off like a ton of stats or
23:04
Speaker 1: metrics or whatever. But here's just something simple for everybody.
23:08
Speaker 1: Last year, on his four steamer, batters hit two thirty one.
23:13
Speaker 1: This year to eighty six. Now, if you want to
23:17
Speaker 1: go with the expected stuff, expected ballian average was two
23:20
Speaker 1: oh seven, so you would probably say there's some bad
23:22
Speaker 1: luck there, But numbers are numbers. Here's the staggering one though,
23:26
Speaker 1: his his splitter, No excuse me, his sinker. His sinker sinker,
23:33
Speaker 1: which is the number two pitch that he throws the
23:35
Speaker 1: right handed hitters. Two twenty two last year is what
23:39
Speaker 1: guy's batted off of it. This year three point fifty.
23:42
Speaker 1: He was getting killed. He's getting killed Cody on that pitch.
23:47
Speaker 1: And and again there's probably a lot of other stuff
23:51
Speaker 1: that people much smarter than I know about and realize
23:55
Speaker 1: and have him work on. But the bottom line is
23:58
Speaker 1: with the pitches that he needs to get batters out,
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Speaker 1: he was not getting batters out. And I would remind
24:05
Speaker 1: everybody that last year he was third in innings pitched
24:08
Speaker 1: out of the bullpen. Last year he was heavily important.
24:12
Speaker 1: Obviously Holton and Vest were ahead of him and just
24:15
Speaker 1: behind him last year was fully So half of your
24:19
Speaker 1: half of your top four not currently with the team,
24:23
Speaker 1: and then you know one of them isn't as effective
24:27
Speaker 1: as he was last year, and that obviously being Holden.
24:29
Speaker 1: So this is a big thing. This is a big
24:31
Speaker 1: arm that you're gonna have to get right, you know,
24:34
Speaker 1: talk about things that you know are concerning or you're
24:37
Speaker 1: gonna need down the stretch. You're gonna need the best
24:40
Speaker 1: version or close to the best version of bow Brisk,
24:42
Speaker 1: I think in order to uh, in order to get
24:45
Speaker 1: where you want to go. So a pretty crucial time
24:47
Speaker 1: in Toledo for him.
24:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot going on with Bilbrisky.
24:52
Speaker 2: Actually earlier I've talked about man like the change up.
24:55
Speaker 2: It's just the movement profiles the same. It's not getting
24:57
Speaker 2: swing and miss and I'm now staring at his the
25:01
Speaker 2: one percentile bottom one percentile and chase rate. That's got
25:05
Speaker 2: to be a combination of things. The pitches maybe aren't
25:08
Speaker 2: as sharp, but the counts too. His first pitch strike
25:12
Speaker 2: rate is way down. And then I'm like, okay, even
25:14
Speaker 2: after one Kieran batters have a nine sixty two ops
25:21
Speaker 2: throughout the count. He's not locating well. Thing's been behind
25:24
Speaker 2: too much. Even when he's ahead, he's not locating well.
25:28
Speaker 2: The fastball is getting hit, probably because it's in bad spots.
25:31
Speaker 2: He's probably having to throw the fastball more because he's
25:35
Speaker 2: in bad counts, or guys aren't respecting the breaking stuff.
25:39
Speaker 2: So I guess maybe it's one thing, maybe it's maybe
25:41
Speaker 2: it's command more than anything. But I think there's a
25:45
Speaker 2: confluence of factors going into what we're seeing with Bow,
25:47
Speaker 2: and obviously it's concerning. That's why that's how you're sending
25:52
Speaker 2: them down to get right. I have confidence this guy's
25:54
Speaker 2: stuff is good enough that he's going to be back
25:56
Speaker 2: and can be very good in the big leagues. But
25:59
Speaker 2: it got to a point where I think it was
26:01
Speaker 2: appropriate to demote him and give him a chance to
26:05
Speaker 2: go work on some things.
26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, hundred percent. I'm sorry, I'm just looking up. I
26:13
Speaker 1: believe his fastball velo is basically the same as it
26:18
Speaker 1: was last year, So it's not like he at least
26:20
Speaker 1: on that pitch, if memory serves in my research, it's
26:23
Speaker 1: not like that. You know, there's some sort of dip
26:25
Speaker 1: like the flairty stuff that we talk about every now
26:28
Speaker 1: and then. So yeah, it is a lot of like
26:30
Speaker 1: the pitch ability stuff it seems with Bo and and
26:34
Speaker 1: again like you're gonna need You're gonna need somebody. You're
26:40
Speaker 1: gonna need somebody to relieve the uh the Kaanley Best
26:44
Speaker 1: or Best Kinley combination, because as of now, that's kind
26:48
Speaker 1: of that's basically the only card that AJ uses in
26:54
Speaker 1: I'm putting in quotation marks safe situations because like me,
27:00
Speaker 1: the one with things that makes me feel very smart
27:02
Speaker 1: whenever AJ also thinks something I've always considered four runs
27:06
Speaker 1: a safe situation, AJ does too. And so therefore, like
27:10
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's not hesitating, he's going Kanley or
27:14
Speaker 1: he's going Best, and then he's going with the other
27:15
Speaker 1: guy a lot of the time. And that's the combination
27:18
Speaker 1: that is highly effective in both all star caliber relievers.
27:24
Speaker 1: But we're also talking about mid June, and you're gonna
27:26
Speaker 1: need somebody else in there as well. So so they're
27:31
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna need somebody back there, Cody, and whether
27:33
Speaker 1: that's risky being trusted, like you and I were both
27:38
Speaker 1: surprised that he wasn't used on Sunday or you know,
27:41
Speaker 1: or acquiring somebody else, because like there's with pitchers, you
27:48
Speaker 1: just never know. And there's a very good that it's
27:50
Speaker 1: not inconceivable that these guys could be running to the
27:52
Speaker 1: ground a little bit at a certain point. They're not
27:54
Speaker 1: gonna be this effective all year, right, you got to
27:57
Speaker 1: have other options. So uh so, yeah, that's like maybe
28:02
Speaker 1: that means bullpen ought to be higher on my list
28:05
Speaker 1: of trade.
28:07
Speaker 2: You've tucked yourself into it.
28:08
Speaker 1: I like it, tun myself into it. But it's a
28:11
Speaker 1: but it's a thing. It's a thing, no doubt. And uh,
28:15
Speaker 1: you know, as bad as the pitching news was, you
28:18
Speaker 1: know this week with the job injury and and the
28:21
Speaker 1: brisky stuff, we just spent a couple of minutes on
28:24
Speaker 1: just school ble tonight. Cody seven innings, three hits, you
28:27
Speaker 1: o run six k's. Uh it's kind of like when
28:30
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods would like win a tournament by six strokes
28:33
Speaker 1: instead of twelve. Yeah, I mean, was he really like
28:36
Speaker 1: that good? You know what I mean? Like it was
28:38
Speaker 1: a very like I said earlier, it's a very casual,
28:40
Speaker 1: excellent outing from Trek's schoolble people a little on edge
28:46
Speaker 1: with Vlo, got some comments on on Twitter, It's like, oh,
28:49
Speaker 1: it's Vlo's down is their concern? Then he throws Adlee
28:53
Speaker 1: one hundred in. It's like, all right, yeah, he's all right.
28:55
Speaker 1: Uh finishes finishes with a punch out. I believe ninety
28:58
Speaker 1: eight if memory serves, and man in the last four starts,
29:04
Speaker 1: thirty innings, pitched, one earned run, thirty two k's, two walks.
29:08
Speaker 2: It's incredible, like.
29:10
Speaker 1: It's it sounds made up, like I don't know if
29:14
Speaker 1: on you know, easy mode, could you do that in
29:17
Speaker 1: a video game? You know what I mean? That's just
29:19
Speaker 1: that's just unreal what school BL's doing and I and
29:22
Speaker 1: he had a season high?
29:23
Speaker 2: Is it?
29:24
Speaker 1: Like the thing about schools? He's doing it in different
29:25
Speaker 1: ways too. I don't know what the final number ended
29:28
Speaker 1: up being. I think it was about a dozen. We
29:30
Speaker 1: had a season high groundouts today. You know, it's just
29:33
Speaker 1: like another different, you know, another different thing for for
29:36
Speaker 1: SCHOOLBL to lay out there. It's like I only had
29:38
Speaker 1: six k's, but I had a season high in groundouts.
29:41
Speaker 1: You know, Uh so just unbelievable. Continue, you know, continues
29:45
Speaker 1: to impress me every single time. You never know what's
29:47
Speaker 1: gonna happen with him on the mound.
29:50
Speaker 2: I was just expected at this point, it's like Jordan's
29:53
Speaker 2: scoring thirty, Like, oh yeah, of course he did. You know,
29:56
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, hardly bad. And I Tyli Felton. I
29:59
Speaker 2: was like School's pre going to shove, and he shoved,
30:01
Speaker 2: and then was like, all right, it's a high standard.
30:05
Speaker 2: You know, there's a burden that comes with that.
30:07
Speaker 1: But that's the one you would know it by watching him.
30:10
Speaker 1: You would not know it by watching School for the podcast.
30:14
Speaker 1: By the way, all right, another good thing that happened today.
30:17
Speaker 1: Parker Meadows, you know, got off the home run Schneide
30:20
Speaker 1: three run home run that you know becomes the difference
30:23
Speaker 1: in the game. High fastball caught up to it. You know,
30:27
Speaker 1: no doubt or I had always like what was he bad?
30:32
Speaker 1: Like one thirty two coming in this game, or you
30:33
Speaker 1: know whatever. It was like, you know, the numbers hadn't
30:36
Speaker 1: been good. But I he he looked like Parker Meadows.
30:39
Speaker 1: I wasn't overly worried, you know that. That was very
30:42
Speaker 1: reassuring to see. Hopefully he can continue, he can get hotter.
30:46
Speaker 1: Obviously you're gonna need him to bat more than one.
30:51
Speaker 1: But continues to do in the field and and is
30:54
Speaker 1: a plus player, you know, no matter what. And by
30:57
Speaker 1: the way, top top of the order, bomb of the order,
31:00
Speaker 1: you know, you still feel good with him being at
31:02
Speaker 1: the plate there and then our guy Jami Jones, Jami
31:09
Speaker 1: Jones or Justin Henry mulloy two point zero, I guess
31:14
Speaker 1: because that's how he's being used because he is the
31:17
Speaker 1: right handed bat that is d H and against lefty starters, uh,
31:21
Speaker 1: you know you and ire he gets called, he gets
31:25
Speaker 1: you know, he replaces a Bonyes. Haven't seen him, you know,
31:29
Speaker 1: playing third base or second base or even a spot
31:33
Speaker 1: first base or whatever. He's more of the j hen
31:36
Speaker 1: replacement as of now. And look, give him credit for
31:40
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Four hits in five games doesn't seem
31:44
Speaker 1: like a whole lot, but that's exactly what aj is
31:47
Speaker 1: looking for. Just Emmra Malloy, as much as we all
31:50
Speaker 1: love him, I know he's he's as there's a more
31:53
Speaker 1: wholesome element to his game than just like getting base hits.
31:56
Speaker 1: It's getting on base. But he didn't have a stretch
31:59
Speaker 1: this year. We had four hits in five games. He
32:03
Speaker 1: just didn't. So like Jamai Jones, we we don't know
32:06
Speaker 1: what the runway is. You would think it might be
32:09
Speaker 1: a little bit longer if he was playing in the field.
32:11
Speaker 1: But as of how, you can't fault the guy for
32:14
Speaker 1: not making the most of his opportunities. So just want
32:17
Speaker 1: to give are.
32:17
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what he keeps hitting. It's it's gonna
32:20
Speaker 2: be a pretty good runway. One way. You want to
32:22
Speaker 2: guarantee that for yourself. Hit the ball. And so the
32:26
Speaker 2: guy's done so far, so cool to see.
32:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also love AJ just having no fear
32:31
Speaker 1: and putting him in lead off. You know, just AJ's like, hey,
32:36
Speaker 1: you're here, we got you here for this role. So
32:38
Speaker 1: whether you're ready for it or not, boom, you know,
32:41
Speaker 1: pinch hit home run and then batting leadoff. So you know,
32:45
Speaker 1: credit credit to Jami there all right, Cody, Yeah, that
32:51
Speaker 1: was that was a pretty wholesome, wholesome podcast. A lot
32:54
Speaker 1: of topics. Anything else that he didn't get to you
32:56
Speaker 1: saying is.
32:57
Speaker 2: Like all encompassing. And I think wholesome might think click sweet,
33:01
Speaker 2: like a like a sweet old couple, like you know, like, oh,
33:05
Speaker 2: that's so wholesome.
33:07
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to say that's a whole
33:09
Speaker 1: podcast because that sounds weird. So so yeah, it's a
33:12
Speaker 1: whole sum podcast. Is there anything else I missed that
33:16
Speaker 1: we get to everything?
33:18
Speaker 2: We probably forgot something, but the good news we do
33:20
Speaker 2: this three times a week. We will be back with
33:23
Speaker 2: you guys shortly absolutely.
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