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Buccaneers' Legend Mike Evans Signs 3-Year Deal With 49ers · Hear The Cannons - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Podcast

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Mike Evans era in Tampa Bay is officially over as of today, a crazy NFL free agency as it always is, but this time specifically impacting the teammate buck and years, the fan base here down in the Bay area.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mike Evans has is planning to sign a three year deal with the San Francisco 49ers no longer going to be in
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tampa.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is some crazy stuff happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is something that Bucks fans never thought would happen that maybe Mike Evans would continue to play out the rest of his career and NFL.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and pewter just not happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's going over there to San Francisco 49ers with me this afternoon is Caleb Skinner, our veteran writer at bucks game bait.com and then River Wells are lead editor at BG gentlemen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were keeping a close eye on this one for a very long time practically once the season wrapped up even going into the season to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: as this team thought they had Super Bowl chances and that's sure enough wasn't even close to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And gentlemen, just instant reactions now to him leaving Tampa head off to San Francisco to play with Brock Perti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, a lot of fans on line are upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, um, a lot of players are already the heartbreaking emojis are already coming out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Mike is a very beloved player and have a base on so much of the franchise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He will always be remembered as a book near a regardless of how this tenure kind of shapes out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, I've talked about this in articles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about it here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think overall, if you think that you're a contender,
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably the right move to let Evans walk and not waste cap space bringing him back, give him an opportunity to compete for a championship because quite frankly, I don't know if the books are going to be able to do that in these next few seasons.
1:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about this too, and I was talking to Caleb about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three years is interesting given the rhetoric that we had earlier, and this is even about him potentially retiring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now, suddenly, he re-ups the 49ers on a three-year deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the money yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we do get the money while we're doing this live stream, we will, of course, shout that out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you would imagine it probably in the, in the 20-mill area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not, that'd be a shame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So bucks already put out a statement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: thank him for his highman hit the page just now on social media uh... and so at that point it's uh... what about done here it's the my
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as this close as we came to him potentially leaving and he actually did leave similar fashion, you know, who always go down as a Tampa Bay black and air buck for life, you saw, I mean, he's going John Lynch, of course, is the one that got this deal done with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, throwing it all the way back to it's a John leaving everybody views him as a as a buck for life, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, real interesting to see what's happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested to see what the numbers are when it comes down to it three years is obviously intriguing considering where Mike is at in his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm important to note with that as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The buck and ears don't play the 49ers in the regular season through through those three years unless they do meet in the playoffs at some time that would be their divisional thing going on there too that we might want to take a look at that was and I saw that from Evan Klausky on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody also who watches the box there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just kind of go and off of what he's able to see Evan you know confirm that by any means, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just to jump in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Caleb real quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do play their equivalent opponent in the NFC West on the road in 2027 and then again in 209 so potentially attention one time
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[SPEAKER_01]: here and they do and I fell in love to set that up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I fell in love to set it up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do find their own 28.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So two times actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So possibilities there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it kind of depends how things play out, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how how good are the bucks going to be how good are the 49ers going to be?
4:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to look at what they're going to be doing now with their widers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to assume that Joanne Jennings is probably out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in San Fran, so the bucket ears are going to need another an X, probably, you know, whether this is a guy you were able to go out and get that's a veteran or a guy in the draft, potentially, but you're happy with what you have in the room, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We always talk about, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike was a one not necessarily need obviously you're gonna not have that that will coverage over the top anymore with him Which is gonna you know be a little bit detrimental to the offense and how how efficient it runs and then obviously the big red zone threat to you and You know see a lot of people talking about Kate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want everybody to hop on Kate and you know kind of hate him even more
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[SPEAKER_00]: for this because it's not case fall, you know, this is not Cades fault, but we all kind of didn't know like once Cade was able to be resigned that it most likely meant that Mike was not going to be here in Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got an update for you guys on the compensation for Mike Evans is a three year deal worth up to $60.4 million, $6.4 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is about $20 million a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not 25 or above, that's about four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is agent to come out and say that this was not a money, this was not a money move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, him taking 20 mill does not necessarily, you know, screen money moved to me at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's probably right around where you probably should have been probably a little bit higher than is a valuation coming in, but it's not a money move.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said it's not, it's he's kind of what did he say he wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to challenge himself at this point of his career later down, but I also don't know if San Francisco gives him that more of a chance of winning a Super Bowl than he does in Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure your guys are thoughts on that, but
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not too sure either because for engineers got some things that they've got to figure out as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, this helps out McAfrey who absolutely carried that entire offense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It felt like definitely the statute, but they've got some things they need to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's look at also to real quick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see the tweet that the bucks put out and their message that they sent out because I think that's important to bring up here on the screen for
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[SPEAKER_03]: The listeners, this is what the bucks just tweeted just a bit of go saying, saying goodbye to a legend, as Mike Evans is never easy, but today we are filled with appreciation and gratitude for all that he did during his extraordinary 12 year career as a buck and year, our goal was always to ensure that Mike would play his entire career as a buck and year, but as we got further in the process, it became clear he was looking for a new challenge.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He leaves as he most accomplished offense of player in franchise history.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A six time pro bowler in a Super Bowl champion, but it was his dedication to making a difference off the field that will define his lasting legacy in our community.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We wish my continued success in his next chapter and thank him for all that he has done for the book and years and Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When the time comes, we look forward to gathering once again to honor his mini accomplishments and celebrate his eventual Hall of Fame career, this is from the Glazer family themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got to bring it up again, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had about 20 million a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's uh, that's almost nothing that the Vux couldn't have handled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that screams to me that Mike Evans just wanted out of Tampa Bay and wanted to go compete for a title somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was not about money at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would even say at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so if that's what happens, man, you gotta let him go and he earned that right to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan, you have spoken over and over again about his thoughts on Todd Bowles being, yeah, retain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that played a part in his decision making process here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it had to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It had to in the number one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's been number one for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, just just getting the sense from Mike and, you know, just seeing how he felt on the sidelines.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see it from a handful of players too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, well, I have a deeper conversation
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just looking at some of their reactions from the players throughout this season and as the as the game is went on and then eventually losing these games in the latter half Not a lot of guys too happy and looking down and then of course Mike Evans who's your biggest leader is absolutely pissed off Practically calling out as head coach.
8:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I thought bulls is your DC He's the one that runs that ship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just don't know a bulls is capable of being a head coach plus a DC I think
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[SPEAKER_03]: the glazers took a bet here and they're going to ride with bowls and as like River just said the money doesn't seem to be the biggest issue here for Mike he wants to go to somewhere the years over here might have been another factor as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Tampa Bay would have offered him a three year deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that's something to consider as well, um, are you definitely going to be getting those high volume targets?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get that not stopped.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he'll get that not stopped.
9:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I just do wonder at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I first off, I believe the cerebral contender one is where he had to definitely think on the, if the boxer can be able to do that, but you can have all the talent in the world, which I think Mike Evans,
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[SPEAKER_03]: thought of in training camp.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We heard it from all the players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have all the talent in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They came in to put out their own Sundays.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That happened and it completely fell apart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it had to do, who do you put the blame on?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_03]: You Todd Bowles elected to elevate Josh Kazaar to be an O.C.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and that was the first time he had ever been playing or being a play caller at any level at any level and you know Bowles made that move.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Baker was called it Mike wrote what did because it's playing with that team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I just don't think one he doesn't like bulls decision making and both maybe coaching staff not saying it's acrobs and not a good hire, but the coach He goes back to the 30 to 20.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real pain Third and 28 people will talk about third and 28 and that's definitely a big part of it I think bulls is a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's everything, you know, it's it's Jason light and the type of Maybe GM and he does maybe his top bulls is defense and it may be
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe he wants more targets in the crowd of receiver room, maybe he wants the bucks to have a chance to restart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole lot of things to go into it, but bottom line is for the money he got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this might be...
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[SPEAKER_01]: factoring in the years the three years for the money he got I think he could have easily say it and that's totally fine I think I understand it and I think it might have been a good thing for the box who as we heard they were desperate the reason I'm like evidence and desperation makes you do stupid stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they truly were, maybe that wasn't a great idea, still it sucks for fans, the Buccaneers guy who built a legacy in Tampa Bay in the community, rest in peace guys so that Mike Evans goal on fade, man, that's going to live in honor forever, and now, like you mentioned, Caleb, Zach Robinson doesn't have that play in his playbook anymore, he doesn't have the ability to draw double coverage, Mike's an underrated route runner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm really curious to see how this wide receiver room looks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know who's in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eggbooka, McMillan, Godwin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they don't have an outside guy right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An ex, a big body frame, 50-50 guy, possession guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think all three of those wide outs, I mentioned, are generally space-finders and can operate out a slot, more something to operate outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, we saw Chris Godwin experiment with the outside a few years ago, under Dave Canalis, and they went all right.
11:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know if they're going to get another option, I don't know what they're going to do, but they're going to have to figure out if one of those guys can do what my heavens can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think all three of those RC person showed a lot of great promise, but, you know, as far as it, offensive archetype, none of them are like my heavens, so it's going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to see who ends up replacing him, be it an outside free agent or one of those three
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got a lot to think about, but you hope they've been thinking about it already because it's time it started to come out Yeah, I think it ultimately came down to those assurances that we talked about right was might given those assurances by the front office by the coaching staff Obviously not by the coaching staff if they decided to retain top goals and move in that direction and you know the rumblings of hearing that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm happy for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, I'm obviously going to be a happy for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you was staying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously it's more sad than upset about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just growing a bucks fan and, you know, watching Mike dominate and do the things that he does.
12:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it'll be interesting to see how his soft tissue injuries hold up out there with the electrical substation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing we got to ding on there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not real sure if he took that into account at all with what's going on with with the killies and calf injuries over there and saying yeah yeah it sucks you never want to see a guy like this you know leave your organization but it was time for him to and the bucknears are in
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[SPEAKER_00]: intriguing, you know, era, if you will of what do they want to get out of this moving forward, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a bunch of young guys, you signed Chris your $22 million deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're hoping he's going to be able to bounce back after kind of a down year last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then again, you know, who's going to be able to stretch that field, who's going to give you that ability to demand a double team or demand a safety being coming over top who's going to be that red zone threat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you necessarily think K to on is that guy not really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's not really to go up and get a type of guy may be jailing can take the top off to Johnson can take the top off because of their route running abilities and being able to find the holes and defenses, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: That big expounds we 50 50 guy like River said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Joanne Jennings is probably going to be you know past out of that You're not going to probably be able to afford him at this point.
14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to be looking at kind of that lower level tier when it is the free agent guy Or you hope one of these guys is able to develop you're really hoping at a mech egg book is able to take that next step But I mean thing He damn near had a thousand yards in his rookie season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was all front half loaded right in the front half of the season You kind of tapered off
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's because he was getting double covered later in the season when Mike went down with that injury and he was being treated as a true wide receiver one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now he's got that learning experience underneath this belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a valuable asset to him as he answers your two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that he knows that he's going to be relied upon a lot more heavily without Mike being there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see him start to eat into, you know, and become one of those true number one wide receivers.
14:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We can kind of see that he's going to take one of these jumps that, you know, you've seen from a JSN, if you will, and Seattle over his three seasons there.
15:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the big thing now is whether Zach Robinson going to do with a switers hero And what will they do in this off season will be the NFL draft will be and free agency Looking at a list now of some names Maybe that will probably put an article out of books going to dot com.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate everybody hanging out with us I know it's some pretty brutal It's it's already a Monday, but it's a Monday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No longer my guess being in Tampa, so
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15:46
[SPEAKER_03]: this is a tough one to imagine but the one thing that you do feel strongly about is what this offense can still look like with the amount of talent that's in that Widersy room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not wearing okay wow man they've got to go find a big piece here sure they need to find someone that can like you guys and Caleb you're diving into is helping the red zone a guy that can
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[SPEAKER_03]: take on those one-on-one battles, good route running in or media, that's something Mike Evans could do, also, to be able to go deep and a one-on-one opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's see what they can do throughout the rest of this offseason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some moves that they certainly could make, but it's going to be interesting to see how Zach Robinson and also two Baker has to adjust what this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you think the box fanbase, you know,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, X van Bases heard in Mike, our Baker might be at one amount of figure what bar he always goes to, but I feel bad for all of those Bud Light.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one day was on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, he's going to interrupt you here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a statement from like Evans's agent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That he wanted a new challenge and a fresh opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not about the money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that confirmed essentially what we already know, very affordable deal and man, that's a, it's a tough optic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for your franchise legend to do that regardless of whether or not it might have been the right move for the books, you know, in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for a guy to basically,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What it is, he isn't really believe the blocks can do anything else for him at this point in his career and it's hard to blame him guys.
17:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It really is hard to blame him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see any of us can blame him for doing it right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean going back to Logan and you bring it out Baker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to imagine that he is just living.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I can't imagine that Baker's very happy with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously he'll take it in stride and and move forward with it all, but I'm losing your your number one guy has got a sock for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine what's going through his mind at this moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I see a lot of the comments in here and trust me, we're all seeing them here and we'll bring up some on here and some are not even happy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some were even we're getting unfollowed because of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This mic, we're getting unfollowed here for a while to see the stress from the profile on a profile photo says Buck in your sub.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he was down to already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's an elite hater actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: go back to New Orleans but uh but uh meanwhile what we're gonna get to some things here because it's not like okay well Mike Evans gone the bucks it's over at the often didn't prove if Jason Lighten them are planning to do and we're gonna get to that in just a minute we still need to talk a little bit more on Mike Evans because the bucks did make some really impressive news which I have a few that I'm I'm a high on
18:32
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's jump into a little bit more Mike Evans here.
18:35
[SPEAKER_03]: What does now, if we're looking at the overall landscape of, okay, Mike Evans gone, how does this work for Baker?
18:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Baker, this is a big season, this is a massive season ahead for him.
18:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this kind of starts us putting a bigger outlook onto what the future looks like with Baker in.
18:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Tampa Bay because he's relying on himself to have a big season and it's going to rely on Zach Robinson also to Chandler Whitmer coming in as quarterback's coach like there's there's a lot put on Baker now into the season and he's not going to have his wide receiver one with Mike.
19:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he doesn't need to have a good season.
19:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of wonder, guys, if Baker was maybe part of this whole process and part of the reason why that's like, uh, did you recognize what he did?
19:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, to recap, may field had an MVP calibre season to start the year and in the back half of the year, it was one of the worst quarterbacks in football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the assumption is that he was injured,
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was hampering his play down that stretch, but the bottom line either way I think is that you've got to show more consistency there.
19:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was reason to be worried about that stretch from Baker may feel down the back half of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baker's got to show that without Mike Evans, that's safety blanket, which he was in the red zone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, um, he's got to be able to perform.
20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: He did have Mike Evans out of the picture last year after that lion's game, things didn't go well.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to have to figure out a way to get some more chemistry than that guy.
20:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Booga with Chris Godwin with, um, jail at Milan and Godwin's contract
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Boock has got to show that he can be an outside guy and a millimus fantastic when he came back, but again, what type of player is he going to be in this offense now?
20:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it raised a lot of questions, and I do think like you mentioned Caleb to an extent, this was a want not a need, and I think these guys can figure it out.
20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Evans offers you an archetype that you no longer have, and that Baker may feel no longer has.
20:49
[SPEAKER_01]: A, an effort, Mike Evans down there somewhere ball is no longer in the conversation.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and the gunslinger that may feel is going to have to see him really improve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes my decisions and be better than he was the back half injuries or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got one less got to do it with.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not expect this to be the number one talking point on free agent like the opening of the two data negotiation window where we're past the, you know, legal tampering thing at this point.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I did not expect it to be the number one topic of conversation and free agency today, but as we're switching over to this port center, special off of the, uh,
21:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Pat Mac, a fee special, the first thing you're talking about is my Kevin's agreeing to that deal.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So what a crazy turn of events.
21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was a month ago, we're all like, oh, yeah, you know, Mike's putting this out there, but he's going to be back and then slowly everything started to turn a little bit.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You start to feel a little bit less likely like it's going to happen.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I just mentioned Trevor Sekima from from profile focus is just, you know, reporting that a lot of this had to come down to, you know, Baker and Bulls.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently not necessarily happy with Baker's play down the stretch and clearly not happy with Todd Bulls and what he was able to do and him being retained ultimately.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think those are two big factors which are kind of interesting and you get a new OC in here and you've been with Baker and you know what Baker could do.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I still thought they had a good relationship and a good connection there.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I was guessing wrong.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess leading up to this whole thing.
22:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, with a new OC Zach Robinson with Drake London.
22:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be great, you know, he's got biggers, no back there.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're going to do the things that need them to get to a super pole.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that's lacking really hears targets, man was I wrong.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like I was completely wrong all the way around and that could be set for pretty much every buck in your fan out there.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe at this point, but
22:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this is a question here from Jay on Facebook asking and he is closer to a civil with the Niners.
22:49
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
22:53
[SPEAKER_01]: How I think so.
22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the coaching staff is way better.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd see the the floor is immediately raised with Kyle Shannon.
23:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they have difference makers on defense guys like Freig Warner still, um, you know, they've got a guy like Christian McAfrey on offense is a game changer.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Brock Perti is I think decent, but um, system quality.
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
23:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you put a shenanigans off, if you don't have to, huh?
23:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Baker and Perti together.
23:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you, would you pair those guys together to same same tier?
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, here's the thing.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Curtis probably got a higher ceiling or a floor.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, um, Baker's flag at a higher ceiling.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Baker, Baker's Tennessee of thinking can make any throw on the planet and the fact that he can't get him into more trouble than perity does.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, but I think at the height of his power with his mobility, I think the, the ceiling of Baker may have field is, is higher than rock perity.
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know for sure.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I just don't think that Mike's going to have a real fun time running routes over the middle just to get, you know, absolutely hospital board on a weekly basis.
23:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a shot that a dude, his age, going to be 32 coming up here soon.
24:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have me run in a little seven yard, you know, route over the middle crossing pattern and there's just going to be a line back or sitting ready to take my head off.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in in 30's going to throw that ball.
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Like 30's going to throw him that ball.
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He will think of the make that catch.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's very fun.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like in my opinion, like it's it's effective in certain scenarios when you can get the the corners mismatched or whatever it may be great.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't always happen, right?
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, I think I would have taken my shot doing what I know that I can do extremely well, knowing that it works in Tampa.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a very underrated route tree.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can go up and get deep balls, 50, 50 balls, things of that nature.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he would have been closer to being more effective, more production, more likely to win a super bowl in Tampa than he is in San Fran.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I just don't know what they're going to do on offense either
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got Christian McAfrey, George Kiddles coming off and a kill is injury and outside of that is Ricky Pierce all going to take that next step.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know, so like you're going to be demanding a lot out of Mike and he's still going to demand those double teams, but are you going to be able to do it in that division, especially that division compared to when you were in the NFC South.
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
25:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were doing a lot better than Williams do has a situation going on too as well I cut you up at Trent Williams.
25:21
[SPEAKER_03]: They have an issue going on with them of getting a degree to a contract I just think we're just speaking to that Tristan worse.
25:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
25:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I just throw it up there on the tweet but Tristan worse for our audio listeners that are going to listen later says man
25:35
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26:05
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just feel like the box and the 49ers on that same tier, but better coach, it's not even close.
26:21
[SPEAKER_03]: better head coach, not even in the same stratosphere and I just been the game changer for me.
26:28
[SPEAKER_03]: And real quick too, last thing here on Evans, because there's a handful of other things that the bucks did do today and they're still looking to make some more moves.
26:35
[SPEAKER_03]: The bucks still need to go up to a pass rush.
26:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's the thing.
26:38
[SPEAKER_03]: The bucks need to go up to a lot of help.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but look, there's none of these edge rushers or pass rushers are coming off the board right now.
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Hendrickson stood out there.
26:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, everyone's waiting for Hendrickson.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: All of those guys are kidding.
26:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Jason Light, save the day.
26:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Can he save the box fanbase from right now?
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on how much it depends on how much Hendrickson.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get grateful for her, you know.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, yeah, that'd be nice.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And that'd be nice, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:10
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to stay in Tampa, no income tax.
27:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That helps you a little bit better than going to some other state.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: But did y'all see the reporting?
27:17
[SPEAKER_03]: It was Greg Omn from Fox 4, and then also to our rear from us at si.com.
27:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Put out a report that there was close to 27 million a year.
27:26
[SPEAKER_03]: for for my ovens.
27:29
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27:50
[SPEAKER_03]: That was going to be a while.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, I just want to address something.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already seeing this twice on Twitter about drafting Jordan Tyson at number 15.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't do that.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't do that.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: They already drafted a receiver of the first round last year.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they still need an X guy.
28:09
[SPEAKER_01]: This defense needs so much help.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And at 20 million, not going to Heavens could help.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: get something else, you know, at that point.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think this does work well for both parties.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Buck's fans don't really want to hear that.
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not you.
28:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's me type thing that comes to the divorce here.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bucks can get more help on defense.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They can make more signings.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They have more caproom to work with and Mike Evans is going to a contender.
28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's some, I think it works out, but it's going to sting to see my Kevin's in different NSC uniform obviously for maybe three years, I guess.
28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is, which is wild because it didn't just didn't.
28:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what two years ago.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They got another hole in the car back to just now as well.
28:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got a fill in.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
28:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll go.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll keep going.
29:05
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have certainly plenty and plenty and plenty more as we're going to do this little dry spell until we close through the NFL drafts.
29:12
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have tons to talk about.
29:13
[SPEAKER_03]: of Mike Evans.
29:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we're here from Mike Evans to here soon.
29:18
[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, let's get to some other news that happens name.
29:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll try to go chronological order as much as possible, but I say we definitely start off with K-D-A-I-N.
29:28
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one we were discussing last week, heavily, where is K-D-K-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D
29:43
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys know, we don't have numbers yet.
29:45
[SPEAKER_03]: They'll have don't have the numbers.
29:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But here three year deal, we do know that from a journaling of ESPN, how about this one?
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, me think it's going to be too expensive.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that we don't have the numbers that is amazing, it's going to be like a piece of being over.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: You can heavily incentivize which is part of probably why it's taking a little bit longer.
30:01
[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to hash out those details would be my guess, but it probably a number that we're not going to be too thrilled with.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, aren't we talked about aren't this is is reliable if unspectacular?
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that really move the needle for the bucks of offense?
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, but there's a lot worse you could do than Kate on to Titan is a very high-skill ceiling position The good ones are really really good and the bad ones are really really bad
30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's rare to get like a guy on sort of tier in the NFL and again, I don't think super highly of him as a receiver.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a decent blocker.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He has carried a lot of weight when needed to on the offense due to injuries, but Josh bizarre couldn't seem to figure out a way to use any tight ends last year.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we'll see what happens.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's a game changer on offense, but he's a decent starter.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So this would depend on how much money he got.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are other tight ends like I say a little likely.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: went to the giants.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a way lower ceiling or lower floor way higher ceiling.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I've about let it go.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So he got in 13.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for a year.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how it goes.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cave comes in like around seven eight.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to complain really.
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that three years is a little much.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can all probably agree on that.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually rather able to have them at like two.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: that would have been pretty solid.
31:27
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a very average tight end, right?
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's been kind of a check down guy for Baker Mayfield.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He's showing up in big moments scoring touchdowns in big moments, being able to get first downs when Chris Gottlin wasn't there as a third down merchant type guy.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So he is valuable, reliable, consistent.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But we did see some lapses last year with him on some blocks, obviously him getting the ball taken out of his hands.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always going down to the ground, which is a controversial call in opinions that anybody can have going one way or another on that, but not a bad move.
32:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the NFL draft is relatively thin when it comes to tight ends, obviously you could have gone freakish athlete, can you on to deep there in the first round, but
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's a lot to spend up for, um, a lot to spend for tight end.
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so not really in the in the mode of things.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody in the free agent class necessarily excited them to a point where they were going to be willing to move off of Kate and paid.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if none of you guys have ever had any interactions with them, um, probably the nicest guy on the planet.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: These are good to cancel.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Good to do.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The nicer guy on planet earth though when you've got a guy like that within your locker room, you kind of like to keep them there.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can kind of see why they decided to bring them back.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mad at it.
32:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't love it, but not mad at it.
32:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's be long to the next one here, and I'm a big man.
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a steal.
32:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Kenneth Gainwell.
32:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we were talking about it with Bucky Irving as he a true RB1.
32:54
[SPEAKER_03]: All this kind of stuff.
32:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's your starting running back.
32:57
[SPEAKER_03]: But Kenneth Gainwell is coming in on a two year deal for 14 million dollar bucks.
33:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Was the teams MVP over there and Pittsburgh last season, major good with the hands pass catching.
33:12
[SPEAKER_03]: made massive plays for the Steelers.
33:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a Steelers fan so I watched him every Sunday.
33:17
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a great pickup for the box.
33:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested to get y'all's take on it, but I think that matched with Bucky Irving and his talents.
33:24
[SPEAKER_03]: This is really nice for Zach Robinson and what they're going to want to do offensively because this just adds another yes, a running back weapon, but also to in the past game really good.
33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And you already know what you have with Bucky Irving.
33:33
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got two
33:34
[SPEAKER_03]: really damn good pass catching running backs.
33:38
[SPEAKER_03]: It is what makes offensive coordinators lives easier and a little bit more fun to strategize against defense or coordinators.
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is this this was nice and kind of came out of nowhere a little bit.
33:49
[SPEAKER_03]: But y'all thoughts on Kim Kim will down the Tampa.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the money a lot.
33:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's two years, 14, 10 million guaranteed.
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Rashad White might get kind of a similar to that.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be honest with you, Kenneth Gamel is kind of the exact archetype of Rashad White, but he's better.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he can run and find holes better.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a better pass, catching back.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Rashad White's run blocking might be a plus side there.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Gainbow as far as supplementary number two backs, I think has proven to be a very reliable option, just like he was behind Jalen Warren.
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an over that job, didn't he?
34:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like he did.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for some reason.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he didn't have quite as many rushing yards as Warren as far as users goes that way, but he had more yards per touch.
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: He had 5.5 yards per touch last year.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Over a thousand yards from Scrimmage, he had eight touchdowns just like Jalen Warren did, and he was more productive, basically.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, less grabs.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think as far as being a summary backed above here, I mean, a guy who can play a little bit more.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They needed someone who could make sure that book here brings not getting like all three snaps on first through third down, and the game will offer them that exact type of archetype.
35:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about this, in my opinion, this is, I like the signing, I like the fit.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish the books went with a power back, because I think one of their biggest problems has been the ability to convert those third-inch shorts in the run game, and you can do that with passing what guys like gain well in Irving, but there's not really a, you know, put your head down and go get three yards type of guy in this room still.
35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: They tried to make Sean Tucker be that guy and T.E.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't he just me going to be now He's here speed back.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that's gonna work out, but Other than that I Like the game was hiding I liked the money.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I cost that much.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of surprised the Steelers didn't match that if they wanted to keep them And again, I think we're shot white's probably gonna go for a similar go and rate and I think you got a better player
35:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is perhaps my favorite.
35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a real big fan of this.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, what if thought they would go on the tie we were out year or two?
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at what out year was they would get out of Arizona, it was just a little bit less than that, so probably coming in in very similar fashion as backup running backs.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I like game well.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He can do a lot of different things.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he can catch the ball down the field, he can catch the ball out of the back field.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're looking at Zach Robinson's offense, this guy is going to fit in tremendously.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: and so what the book and ears want to do is, and he provides a little bit of a different feel than a buckyurving and a rush-out way.
36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rashad was more of that patient runner kind of that levy on Bell asked, like, let me bounce bounce bounce bounce and then find the hole and then go.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Gainwell is like, I'm just going to take the ball and whatever hole I see I'm going to go, and then Irving has got the field vision and things of that nature.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Gainwell is also, he can bruise a little bit, he can hit a guy,
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: bounce off and you've seen the clip with him and Alex Andzeloni actually going up against each other him shedding that tackle for.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really not great.
36:59
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37:11
[SPEAKER_00]: in Tampa Bay.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's kind of who they're going to ride with as running back three and moving forward.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But big fan of them.
37:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved taking the over props on Kenneth Gainwell last year.
37:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would always tune into the games.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, yep, that hit in the second quarter.
37:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
37:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it's either you're going to pick over Jalen Warren or gain well, but gain well with somehow break one open and then that just takes care of business Or yeah, but yeah, I think it's a solid pickup man highly competitive Physical physical back man, and that's something I think the box are certainly looking for and I think they can do what they need to over the third downback river You know this
37:46
[SPEAKER_03]: you know they got time they can figure it out on that end of things and uh... i think it's a great combo piece and also gives you more uh... security in case bucky urbing continues abs these and any injury was a mean he dealt with multiple ones last year and it put him away from the season for a long time in that completely
38:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Collapsa and hurt that offense, so it's gonna be interesting to see how this combo piece works.
38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Very curious to see what K-Dot and ends up getting.
38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We still don't know the number, but Charlie Kohler did just sign with the Chargers on a three year 24.3 million dollar to let's eight million per year.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am curious to see what the number ends up being four K-Dot and we've got to be around there, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gotta be you would hope.
38:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's jump over to the next one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was a really big one just for the need that the bucks are looking for in the lineback room as we know Levantay David as if we heard earlier today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is contemplating either retirement fully from the NFL or specifically only signing back with the bucks he's not looking out elsewhere for other teams but what that happening to bucks still no matter what have to make some moves here and we know that we talked about it heavily and for your bucks fan for sure you know this so here's what they did they went after
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[SPEAKER_03]: a linebacker captain from the Detroit Lions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Alex and Zalone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's on a two year 17 million dollar deal He actually lives in Tampa as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So this makes things a lot easier.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you're doing right there
39:20
[SPEAKER_03]: you're you're you're an FSC alum he's got a spear in the back seminal head now I've ever did that my dad would chop off my f and arms Caleb got time out you're in time out now you're in time out now you're in the background is crazy that's crazy work if any FSC fans in the chat please blast they look right now okay yeah please blast me yes he's a gator
39:44
[SPEAKER_03]: alone as y'all stats on this pick up here and interest to get your take cause uh... i mean river you've been high on the line back a room on and you need need to be changed whole rehaul
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[SPEAKER_03]: What does this do for you?
39:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you feel now?
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The money looks good.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: The money looks good.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need a coverage linebacker, Anne's alone he has proven to be decent at that in years past.
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that he's up there in age, he's 31.
40:15
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he he is losing that side line to side line speed and he's actually regressed in coverage uh... person response here in twenty twenty three he had positive EPA reply in coverage uh... in twenty four it was negative zero point one three four eight reply and then twenty five negative zero point zero two so he is a little bit regressing in that area um... that being said
40:41
[SPEAKER_01]: If the bucks get another linebacker and bring him in to play alongside him, I would not mind this.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a really good veteran present.
40:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Send more to that of Levante David, which makes you kind of wonder what he's thinking right now.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He has shown the ability to be a good coverage player in the past.
40:58
[SPEAKER_01]: If you liked PFF, not that bad of a coverage grade 65.3, it adds much better than what the bucks have been able to field in the past, but you do need a really sharp, fast coverage linebacker to play in this top, both defense and I wonder if scheme fit wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: if that's something he'll be able to do.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think how much I like this signing depends on if they get another inside linebacker to play alongside him.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: If they do, I do like the fit.
41:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think for the money that he could have gotten in free agency, the box is pretty good here.
41:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a big plus, but I think I kind of question the scheme fit in the age and the hints of aggression we have seen from him in the past few years in Detroit.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: with you at this price great you know this is fantastic to your deal is reported that he actually took less money and was receiving offers for more money elsewhere but him being you know going to the University of Florida playing there and then still owning a home here and it's in the bay area well not here Ryan but where you guys are
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it is great to be able to, you know, keep him in Florida, um, which is awesome.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring that IQ level that captain see that veteran leadership, um, to the, to the locker room, to that unit, and, and hopefully, this will continue to help develop Serracia Dennis as well.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they need to go get another inside linebacker, and I, I think this might even
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: LVD being back, like even just for at least another year, being able to play next to a guy who is proven and that you know is able to produce and can understand the game at your level if you will.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not dealing with a younger guy who's having to learn on the fly or whatever it may be.
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what you're going to get with Anne's loaning.
42:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be able to work off of each other.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be a very interesting thing.
42:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's getting older.
42:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's losing a stab.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Todd Bow said what we want to get bigger, right?
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Disguise a bigger, bigger type of linebacker.
42:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I see this.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we are doing.
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like so, it'll all come down to how meshes with everybody else will see what LVD's decision is, but definitely go out there and get a guy in the NFL draft now.
43:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, CJ Allen would be huge.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were able to add him to this room with Alex Ann's Looney and if LVD's they would come back even if it is in a mentorship role.
43:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh quick update here, a little fun tidbit.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The NFL just put out their graphic of Mike Evans and a 49ers jersey and he is wearing number 3 in that graphic.
43:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see if that's what he ends up going with.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a little note here too.
43:35
[SPEAKER_00]: For the Jamel Dean, obviously we know he is heading to Pittsburgh.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The Buccaneers will not be getting a compensatory pick for him, but the Buccaneers might be able to get a fifth round compensatory pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for Mike Evans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on the other free agents that they sign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: From depending on what unfolds with that, considering it could have been a higher draft pick, but Mike being over that 10-year threshold is why it's going to be kind of in that day three area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
44:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Got you.
44:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
44:04
[SPEAKER_03]: great updates by these gentlemen if you're still what this here on you to smack that like button these guys have given some great takes great coverage on everything related to free agency so I appreciate Caleb being on air river as well to given some great insight into the box credential to from box game day and the on SI network as well but smacking that like button definitely helps a ton if you have any questions top exists at the time to do it it's a busy busy day overall for us
44:31
[SPEAKER_03]: So these guys got to get back to the keyboard here soon, but if you have any questions, topics, anything, any free agents, questions about Mike, we'll bring up a few that we've already had so far, but definitely throw it over there in the chat.
44:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Close your eyes if you don't want to see it, but yeah, that's a brutal look there.
44:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't look if you're a box fan.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Similar colors, so be honest with you.
45:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Not definitely a change.
45:02
[SPEAKER_01]: People watching on their phone.
45:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He just couldn't wear blue.
45:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't do it.
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the bucks fans while they're at work right now watching are just like uneasy to their stomachs.
45:11
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to the bathroom about the vomit everywhere.
45:14
[SPEAKER_03]: They might just take a sick leave tomorrow.
45:16
[SPEAKER_00]: They might not go for a year.
45:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's so weird.
45:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It is real feeling.
45:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we had his press conference.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: two years ago he said I would be a buck for life and how fast things change in those two years now he is a San Francisco 49er big boy DQ on YouTube saying I'm gonna hit the game hard today to let out all like this Got to be like that kind of I might just get like they duck might actually do that today honestly that might be a good idea Get it over with
45:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I was literally an S was, oh my gosh, I was going to make my food for lunch late lunch, obviously, cause this has been insanity today, nonstop.
45:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm making lunch.
45:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I sit down about to take my bite in this sandwich and then I see rivers and Caleb go on crazy in the discrum like, yeah, I was a week ago.
46:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I go to the gym usually around this time and so I went to my apartment gym, just to stay close to the apartment idea.
46:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hit my shoulder from my shoulder shrugs,
46:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you need to add it for us.
46:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Reverend.
46:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
46:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have to get a set of rear delts and some point.
46:26
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a real deal.
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I did it and come right back.
46:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
46:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to tank for archery?
46:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody want to tank?
46:38
[SPEAKER_01]: no.
46:39
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
46:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't love what I saw from Arch from this year and that could depend on how he looks but I don't know how good this seems really going to be so you might accidentally do it anyway but we'll see what happens tomorrow.
46:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a funny way of putting it.
46:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, a lot of comments on here about Todd Bowles and even I bet light as well at that.
47:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet.
47:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Tables and Jason light have both made statements on Mike Evans is departure.
47:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously very thankful for what he has done for the franchise.
47:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you got to think that those two are probably part of the reason why he's not here anymore.
47:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how it goes.
47:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Zack said we paid God when a crazy amount of money.
47:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We could have got it done and like God went go to another team I use this term before and I borrowed it from Josh Klethos.
47:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm shout out Josh Klethos, the computer report God wouldn't be in traded is a tough sell because he is being paid 22 million dollars a year You had the trade for that contract and if you would ask the question what any team in the NFL currently signed Chris God wouldn't for 22 million dollars a year
47:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, tough to get rid of him.
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of just there and yeah, I got to play with him.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if it is kind of being like upside down on your car, you know, like yeah, yeah, where you're at.
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bad credit.
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the only thing you can get is a Nissan Ultimo at that point.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But you just still have a current car.
48:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Got to get that.
48:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You do.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Godwin.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: hasn't played outside well in the experiments they've given him he's a pure space finder at the wide position.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to have to get dealing millen ore, mecca, fuka, or both to play on the outside test Johnson could help with that as well.
48:30
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not a big body receiver.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to hope he can find separation on those deep routes.
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not particularly fast.
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: either.
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So great route one or great technician can get open space as far as a guy even just get a go ball out there.
48:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's his archetype.
48:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got a lot to figure out.
48:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Robinson's got a lot to figure out?
48:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if he thought maybe he would have my ovens when he came and took this shot out that he had another option to be honest with you.
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But when he took this job and now we'll see.
49:00
[SPEAKER_03]: have brought up the free agency list for the wide receivers right now and any of these names stand out to you guys I'll zoom in and that's saying this is only way they can get it done of course they can make trade do what they need to and the draft or such but there's a specific type that they would need to find you know they can find what and but I don't think they can go with them get to on jinx if you can go get to on
49:26
[SPEAKER_01]: If you own Jennings would not be a bad option there, I think when it comes to that type that archetype, you know, shut up my high school quarterback, by the way, it's my dog.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes sense.
49:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was a, and I think if I recall correctly, every time he's thrown a football in the NFL, he's he's done really well.
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I mean, 24 off, huh, not far off, but again, you know, how much money do you want to invest into a wider server?
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to ask yourself that.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
49:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather spend it on on tray hands or something.
49:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Go get me tray hands or something for 20.
50:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to say like if you're going to have to lean one area defense offense, you feel like you can maneuver some things around even if you go to NFL driving to that the wide receiver room, but you feel loaded there.
50:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now in talent, you're just missing like a few attributes that Mike Evans gave you at the wide receiver position.
50:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Now defensively, that is a whole that is really deep.
50:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That is that is a whole that has got to be fixed.
50:25
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to find someone that could go opposite side of, yeah, yeah, yeah, the hobby.
50:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Now,
50:32
[SPEAKER_03]: right.
50:34
[SPEAKER_03]: What 330, you know, where we're, we're not hearing anything on tray Hendricks and am I right on that?
50:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Have we heard anything from any of these shows?
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but we have not, they're not even, they're not even talking about any of the edge rushers right now.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just completely quiet on all fronts.
50:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like
50:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because they're waiting.
50:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're waiting.
50:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
50:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to see what the highest mark is and then they'll go down there.
51:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's another position you think the box might have to address in for the agency.
51:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have Jason Light draft one in the first round of the NFL draft, but he does not have a good history.
51:11
[SPEAKER_03]: of doing but let's do a quick yes no all run together here uh... here never to definitely know well yeah we're not asking for one year yes
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
51:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on the money.
51:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
51:31
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
51:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
51:31
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
51:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say no.
51:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The injuries obviously are concerned.
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Never really playing a full year kind of sucks.
51:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it wouldn't be a bad ad, but I think there's better elsewhere.
51:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say yes, but I think there's other guys ahead of them.
51:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that was joy boasts about the way for our audience.
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52:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Leonard Floyd and Falcons.
52:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it?
52:24
[SPEAKER_01]: A little up there and age.
52:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You're at this point.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this where the address that you saw in is going to be injury prone, rolled.
52:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So the good thing is to try Hendrickson's kind of both.
52:35
[SPEAKER_03]: But.
52:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Good thing is is the guy we wanted both.
52:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we really have to ask is always good.
52:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But he had that that a Donald injury that kept him out last year.
52:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you would only want to get a plus value guy here who's got experience, but who's shown I think at this point productions what Jason lights are going to be looking for instead of potential so We'll see what happens And he steals down in here
53:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean Collegin on Jason's not bad.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he's not.
53:11
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not.
53:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, for anyone that would dare ask.
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, I have to address it.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Cameron Jordan is a four-three defense event.
53:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So an outside linebacker role would not be his strong suit.
53:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so don't think about that one.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you got Muffin away, still out there too.
53:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It was guys, those guys have been high on, talked a lot about them, especially in J.C.
53:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Spaces the other day, heard a lot about them, and so there's guys out there, it's just, how's the market going to end up shaping out, right?
53:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's that big first dominant fall is that you're going to start seeing calls be made in, you know, dotted line sign, well, I guess I can't be sign it to Wednesday, but,
53:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Where was that question here asking if Caleb you're going to go into the marines?
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pinkish, I didn't think it was orange shade, always orange shade, but now I've got to go to pick up your suit and you never know, we all might be suit.
54:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I mean, I have those were things ahead of me.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm a digital marketer, so maybe maybe I can get a job with the White House putting out the crazy weeks that we're seeing now.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And there we go.
54:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the promo videos, man.
54:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Shoot.
54:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
54:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But definitely definitely not.
54:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm getting up and aged to the point where I don't have to be drafted anymore.
54:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just cut the lock.
54:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I just cut all the locks off.
54:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting to get warmer up here in Boston.
54:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to go back to the gets getting prepped.
54:40
[SPEAKER_03]: You're getting prepped for the draft just beyond.
54:43
[SPEAKER_03]: for the draft.
54:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Not the April draft.
54:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my goodness.
54:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that's going to do for us guys.
54:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have tons of more kinds of.
54:51
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll probably certainly do another show later on this week to do a full recap of all this because we're going to learn a lot more about some other players, including Rashad White and where he's going to end up too as well.
54:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep an eye on maybe for the potentially the jacks.
55:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he wants to go to Washington.
55:02
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to be there with Jane Danos and everything, but at the end of the day,
55:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Watch out for Liam Cohen there as they just got rid of E.T.N.
55:10
[SPEAKER_03]: and he's off over there with the New Orleans Saints, which makes things interesting for Alvin Camara, too, and Nola.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If I just take cap for running back.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same.
55:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
55:22
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously South got really busy today.
55:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Giants, of course, are getting really busy with Harball trying to switch some things around there and revamp that entire team.
55:31
[SPEAKER_03]: And get back on a better track.
55:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, up and else happened there.
55:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, I like what they're, I kind of like what the Jets are doing.
55:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I like what they're voting out that defense a little bit more and then I like what Tennessee's done thus far too.
55:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I like what they've got to go out.
55:48
[SPEAKER_03]: Hell yeah, but that's gonna differ us.
55:49
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56:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Fanbase for this instant reaction was mainly to Buccaneer's legend, Mike Evans.
56:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Historic run, what they, but Timothy Buccaneer's helped one is super bold there, you know, that he, what he did on the field, and most importantly to off the field in that community, this fanbase loves them, they'll stay loving him, but he's off to a new challenge, like he has said, to new challenge for him, his family and everything.
56:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Should I set my jersey on fire?
56:46
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