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A Conversation with Seaspiracy Director Ali Tabriz · Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald

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  Speaker 1: So, look, man, my kid had a soccer game today
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  Speaker 1: and the coach ran up on Casey and I after
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  Speaker 1: the game and was like, you know, what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with Rocco. He's so aggressive at practice and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: but then when he's playing these games, he's so nice
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  Speaker 1: to these other kids. And that was a conversation that
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  Speaker 1: Rocko and I had in the car on the way
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  Speaker 1: home one. You know, it was like, dude, you can
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  Speaker 1: be aggressive on the field. I get it that you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, not hurt anybody's feelings, but these
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  Speaker 1: kids are running all over you guys because you kids
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  Speaker 1: are being so nice and everything, trying not to bump
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  Speaker 1: anybody or whatever it is. And so the coach asked
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  Speaker 1: us to talk to Rocko about his leadership skills, which
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  Speaker 1: is crazy because he's only seven years old. But wait,
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  Speaker 1: the problem the coach is basically saying, he's like rough
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  Speaker 1: and humble at practice, but when he's playing another team,
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  Speaker 1: he's too nice. Yeah, like they get kind of the
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  Speaker 1: kids get kind of soft and afraid. But granted, this
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  Speaker 1: is their first season ever, this is Rocco's first year.
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  Speaker 1: He's only played playing soccer for six months. You know,
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. And he's been getting by on his athleticism,
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  Speaker 1: and now his athleticism, you know, isn't enough. He needs
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  Speaker 1: to be aggressive. Is he good? He's all right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's you know, what's his best sport? He'd say it's
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  Speaker 1: he'd say it's basketball. But you know, I'll destroy him.
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  Speaker 1: There's such the father athletic father. You're you're actually like
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  Speaker 1: Turk when he when he when he does the fake
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  Speaker 1: arm wrestle with with Carla. There's no way I can
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  Speaker 1: let this kid beat me until he can actually beat me.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know how that is that for parents that
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  Speaker 1: are into sports. Is that a technique like don't let
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  Speaker 1: them win? Yeah, because they think they're good. They're good,
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  Speaker 1: and they think they're too good if you let them
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  Speaker 1: beat you, you know what I mean? Like, so I
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  Speaker 1: let Rocco beat me a couple of times in basketball.
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  Speaker 1: He started walking around the house like I'm the best
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  Speaker 1: basketball telling people I'm the best basketball player in this house.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, hold on one second. Kid,
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  Speaker 1: he really believe that. He's like, yeah, I'm better than you.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, let's go outside and
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  Speaker 1: let me show you how it really is. Your hi.
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  Speaker 1: I took him outside and didn't let him score one basket, right,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't. This is this is continued for the
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  Speaker 1: last about two weeks. And yesterday we're outside and we're
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  Speaker 1: playing basketball and this little fucker pump fakes and then
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  Speaker 1: goes under and scores a basket on me. I was sold. Like,
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  Speaker 1: part of me, I'm proud, I'm like, Okay, now he's
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  Speaker 1: starting to understand what's going on. But the other part
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  Speaker 1: was like, this little motherfucker scored on me. Oh, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean, he's getting good. No, fuck that man,
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  Speaker 1: he can't be he can't listen. The truth of the
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  Speaker 1: matter is, until he can beat me, he cannot beat me.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying reminds me of my dog
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  Speaker 1: trainer who said, don't ever let the dog win in
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  Speaker 1: the tug of war with the toy. Why would the
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  Speaker 1: trainers say that to you? Do you think you don't
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  Speaker 1: want the dog to think they have more power than you,
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  Speaker 1: Like you're the you're the leader of the pack, and
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  Speaker 1: you're the strongest you know, in the dog's mind. I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming that's the psychology behind it, right, so, and and
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  Speaker 1: they might get too aggressive if they think they can
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  Speaker 1: win if they try hard. You know, I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but I just remember the trainers saying, play
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  Speaker 1: tug of war, you want all you want, but they
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  Speaker 1: can never win. Remind me that same thing, same thing here.
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  Speaker 1: He can get as the only way he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get better is if he has to compete against me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the coach was saying, like he's these
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  Speaker 1: guys got wasted by these kids. And in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: Rock was like, we're about to beat these guys. And
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  Speaker 1: it was like and once the game started, they were
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  Speaker 1: pushing them around and you know, tripping them and it's
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  Speaker 1: a soccer and all of these they're getting upset. The
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  Speaker 1: where the kids was Rocco like upset when they no.
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  Speaker 1: He was just taking it like it was a game.
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  Speaker 1: And the coach at the end of the game had
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  Speaker 1: to tell like, we're paying a lot of money. It's
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  Speaker 1: club soccer, so we're paying a lot of money for this,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And if the kids aren't
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  Speaker 1: going to get better, then we got to take them
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  Speaker 1: out of soccer. This is just how it is. Get
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  Speaker 1: better or we need that money. It's it's that's real talk.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it is. Man, You guys lost three games
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  Speaker 1: in a row. We're gonna take that money and go
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  Speaker 1: to Hawaii. It's better well spent in Hawaii watching my
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  Speaker 1: kid get his ass kicked over and over again. It's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure though. Well you know that he
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  Speaker 1: wants a new animation table. Yeah, he wanted to play soccer.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it goes. But speaking of traveling all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, freaking we are loving this. Two soon got
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  Speaker 1: two son from the good people in Hunday. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: They hooked it up? Okay, So first of all, they've
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  Speaker 1: tricked it out, like so it's like to the max.
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  Speaker 1: I know hunda used to be like you know, thought
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  Speaker 1: of as as not a luxury brand. But you rolled
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  Speaker 1: up in that car. It's pretty sick, dude. Let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you something right now with the features. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I turn on the car and it's it hums. My
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  Speaker 1: wife was like, I could hear you coming up the block.
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  Speaker 1: The car's humming, and it's not it's a hum like
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  Speaker 1: a right, so it's kind of quiet. But for some
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  Speaker 1: reason my wife could hear it and it's a hybrid,
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  Speaker 1: right like, because I know you were you were you
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  Speaker 1: were interested in getting off of full gas cars. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: it's a hybrid, you know what I really want though,
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, and I'm sure they make it. Also
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  Speaker 1: is an electric Tucson as well, you know what I mean, Like,
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  Speaker 1: hybrid is great, but I'm trying to get on that
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  Speaker 1: solar electric. So it's not solar, but you know that's
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to be
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  Speaker 1: as clean on energy as I am with my food nowadays.
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  Speaker 1: So well good, and I think, you know, I do
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  Speaker 1: think it's pretty cool that Hunde's relaunch is all about
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  Speaker 1: safety and UH and going green. Anyway, I turn on
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  Speaker 1: the car and immediately the people, the good people at
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  Speaker 1: Hundai have put on the serious satellite station that is
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  Speaker 1: UH orchestra music. Yeah, and so the cars like d
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  Speaker 1: D D D d D. So the cars are already
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  Speaker 1: in an elite on an elite level. Right, the kids
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  Speaker 1: getting moved classy moved to deliver it with classical playing
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  Speaker 1: going yeah right right, so the hip hop like they
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  Speaker 1: knew me, and they turned on the car. It was
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  Speaker 1: jay Z no no no, no no, right, and so
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  Speaker 1: the kids get in and they're like, holy cow, this
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  Speaker 1: is nice. The cars blue on the outside, but on
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  Speaker 1: the inside it's got like a creamy interior. So right
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  Speaker 1: then in their fire it's leather. It's got a huge screen,
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  Speaker 1: a huge screen to uh, you know, iPad size close
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  Speaker 1: to an iPad side, I'd say, like an iPad man,
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  Speaker 1: but a little bit bigger than that. Like, but the
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  Speaker 1: whole many right, and it displays you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: have a car play, it displays everything that a car
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  Speaker 1: play does. But then you drive the thing. And when
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  Speaker 1: I signal immediately instead of having to look out of
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  Speaker 1: my mirror, the camera on the side view mirror shows
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  Speaker 1: up in my dashboard, so now I can see I
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  Speaker 1: can see whatever is on the side of me when
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  Speaker 1: I do, you know what I mean? Like, look, here's
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  Speaker 1: here's a crazy thing. I don't know why more cars
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  Speaker 1: don't do that. That's really clever. Because I've been driving
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  Speaker 1: a loaner car because my friend fucked up my car.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: That's a long, boring story. But driving on the LA
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  Speaker 1: freeways is so crazy because I'm been driving to Chatsworth
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  Speaker 1: to do to do a cheaper by the dozen lately,
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  Speaker 1: and the people are just insane on the freeways. And
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  Speaker 1: now the thing I have the car, the loner car
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  Speaker 1: I have has a little light when that lights up
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  Speaker 1: on the rever mirror, on the side mirrors when someone's
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  Speaker 1: in your blind spot. But you just said that makes
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  Speaker 1: so much more sense with the technology that's going on today.
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  Speaker 1: Why not bring up a camera on the screen in
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  Speaker 1: front of you. That's small, so much smarter. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: When I reverse it into parking and everything, there's an
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  Speaker 1: overview shot of my car and it shows me the
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  Speaker 1: front and the back and how close I am. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea. I'm guessing satellite. It shows me how
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  Speaker 1: close I am to the front, the car in front
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  Speaker 1: of me, and the car behind me. Here's the other
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  Speaker 1: thing that's crazy. Let's say you get distracted while you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about that's what I'm talking about. Let's say you
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  Speaker 1: get distracted while you're at the light, the red light.
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  Speaker 1: The car lets you know if there's another car in
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  Speaker 1: front of you. It lets you know that the lead
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  Speaker 1: car has pulled off by beating ding ding ding, and
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  Speaker 1: you look up and it says the lead car has
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  Speaker 1: I should go. Now this thing is fire. That's cool,
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  Speaker 1: But that's also telling you, hey, fucker, pay attention. What
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? No doubt, but it's easy to get
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  Speaker 1: distracted when you're at a light, you look to the right.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: That's cool. So they're kind of known Honday. It seems
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  Speaker 1: to me is sort of as they reintroduce themselves as
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  Speaker 1: trying to make a play for being like a super
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  Speaker 1: safe car with all these features. Right. Yeah, absolutely, they're
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  Speaker 1: they're definitely stepping it up a notch. Here's the honest
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  Speaker 1: and goodness truth to the good people at Honday. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not giving it back, by the way, We're going to
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  Speaker 1: do a full episode. So we came up with this idea. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: obviously Honday is one of our sponsors and they've been
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  Speaker 1: super cool to us, and they said to us, what's
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  Speaker 1: an episode you guys would do that we could be
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  Speaker 1: a part of it you wouldn't normally do. And so
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  Speaker 1: Donald and I came up this idea, like, what if
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: we drive around LA and Joel and Danil will be
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: in the back seat, and we'll like go and visit
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  Speaker 1: all of the places, whether it's the old location of
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: the Scrubs hospital which is now apartment buildings, or different
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  Speaker 1: places in our own lives, like our first houses in
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  Speaker 1: LA and just sort of tell anecdotes and stories of
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: our own life, both related to scrubs and not by
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  Speaker 1: driving around LA. And we're gonna do that relatively soon, right, Joel.
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  Speaker 1: I think of Jude episode. Oh I could, I'll be
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: wrapped and um and we can do it. But that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be cool. Now will I be able to drive
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  Speaker 1: or will you be the only driver? Because I would
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  Speaker 1: like my man, my name is my name is the
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  Speaker 1: only one on the lease. But you know I had, Joel.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: I think I had Joelle put me on driver's license, right, Joel, Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you are now approved to drive because Donald, I no
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  Speaker 1: offense to you. I do think I'm a slightly better
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: driver than you, dude. I took stunt driving when I
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  Speaker 1: first started doing this thing. I'm a way better driver
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  Speaker 1: than really. So maybe we could get another Honday and
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: have a drive competition, Joel. So you want to race,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: You're saying, you're saying you want to race. I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you want to fast and furious
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  Speaker 1: this thing. Yes, I would like to go to a
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  Speaker 1: track they have. There are tracks in LA where you
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: can bring your own car. I don't know if Honday
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be down with this idea, But who wear helmet?
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  Speaker 1: We're well, we'll wear helmets and everything's fine if you
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  Speaker 1: wear a helmet and we will race. Okay, there it is.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Can we like hit each other like no, I don't
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: think where they bang each other on the speeder bikes,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: none of that. Okay, cool, there is no But um no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm still I think that's gonna be fun. And I'm
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: glad you're liking your car and I love it, man,
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  Speaker 1: I kids, the kids are so excited about it, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, usually you get in the
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: car with your kids and within five minutes they have
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: messed up the car. But this thing is so nice
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: that they're trying their best not to spill their food
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: on the inside inside or cream it's creamy. Well, eventually
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure to make them, make them no, no food,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: make them more, make them more gloves. You know those
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: gloves that people wear when they handle art. Kids need
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: to put those on. No, I don't think that will
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  Speaker 1: ever happen. But it's just so nice and it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's got great sensors on the side to stop you
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  Speaker 1: from you know, if you're above the speed limit, it
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: warned you that you're above the speed limit. Um, it's
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: all about safety. It really is all about safety. It's
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  Speaker 1: such a nice car. By the way, did I tell
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: you what Wilder said to me when she was at
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  Speaker 1: my house? She says, did Casey tell you? No? She
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: keep Wilder because my goddaughter. I gave her a nice
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: necklace for her birthday. And she comes up to me.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: She goes, thank you for my necklace. I go, oh,
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: you're so welcome, sweetie. She goes, how many dollars did
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: it take? Can you tell it? Can you tell it? Katy?
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: So mama, dude. It was just funny the wording of it, like, oh,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, how many dollars did it take? And
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: then Casey was so embarrassed. Casey was like time to
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: go right, Sorry, sorry about that, but no, are you
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: kidding me? Was adorable. I was laughing with her, but
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell her how many dollars it took. All right, Well,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: let's get off of this for now because we are
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: let's get onto another seed. Let's get into a c spira. See,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: let's get on too. Well. Listen, I want to tell
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: the audience on what's going on. We we normally, as
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: you know, almost always have people on related to Scrubs.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna take a little bit of a different turn
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: this week because Donald and I were both um blown
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: away by the documentary c Spiracy, and because we are
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: so fancy. We're such a fancy podcast that's all across
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: the world. Now, the the code directors or the director
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: and producer I forgot exactly what their titles are of
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: the documentary have agreed to come on and talk to
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  Speaker 1: us about this amazing documentary that was number one in
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: many many countries on Netflix. So that's how fancy we are. Donald,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: We're pretty fancy. Yeah, I'm feeling us right now. Hair,
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: hair done, nails done, everything did? Um? All right? Are
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: you ready containing a breaker? Are we go right into
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: it or we're going maybe five six, seven eight about
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: we made nurses? Okay, So check this out, Joel and
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I with the Black Side of Things to all of
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: you fans out there of like The Mandalorian or Star Wars.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: I worked with a young lady who does hair or
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: the Mandalorian and she's agreed to come on both Fake
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Doctors and on to the Black Side Podcast. And so
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a big pull one because
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: she's said to me, I'll give you as much scoop
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: as I can give you without getting fired. So that
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: means we're gonna get some good things. We're gonna get
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: some good things. We're gonna get some good things. And
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: she says, and she said that. You know, she talks
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: today quite a bit, and she has uh you know,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say she has trying to get into
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Sorry one day, Sorry, I hit the bay accident. It
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: was a well timed accident. You know what, man, that's
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: not cool. Okay, Uh, he says he can join now
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: there he is. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for HOLLI. Hi,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: how are you doing, bro? How are you doing it?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I'm so late. This is crazy. I
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: was literally just watching garden State. No joke. You're late
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: because you're watching garden State. That's the best reason a
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: guest has ever been late. Can I just say this
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: is like the coolest thing ever, like speaking to you
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: guys after and yeah, like I was watching so garden
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: State just then, I was watching, Um, I wish I
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: was here like a like last week catching up on
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Scrubs again. It's just being surreal. Sorry, you know you're
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: saying it's surreal. It's surreal having you on the show.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: You know, you kind of changed my life. Your your
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: your movie changed my life and how I look at
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: food and everything. Uh, and so having you having you here.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: What was the pill that Morpheus off? It was the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: red or the blue one? And the rabbit hole gets deeper?
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Which one makes? The red pill makes the rabbit hole
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: get deeper? I ate the watching your movie was the
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: red pill, and it just made it go deeper and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: deeper and deeper. And and you know now I'm trying
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: to figure out ways to stay plant based. Uh. And
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: you'll want it out, It'll be yeah. Well I'm in
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the beginning. I'm gonna tell you some Wait let's go back,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: let's go back. We're jumping at you for it. So
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Donald and I both this this documentary, This young man,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: how old are you? I'm twenty seven, started making a
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: film when I was twenty two. This twenty two year
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: old young filmmaker set out to make his first documentary
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: and cut to two thousand and twenty one, and it
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: is like the number one film on Netflix for a while,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and certainly the number one documentary all over the world
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: for a long time on Netflix, which is an incredible accomplishment.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So first and foremost, congratulations. Man. It's I don't think
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I've ever had something that's been seen as widely that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The cool thing about Netflix is is that you know
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: they have these they they they know. I remember Joey
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Kane was in The Kissing Booths, which was a team
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you know, rom com, and they were able to say, like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: this is the most watched film on Earth right now,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and that kind of happened to you. Man. Everyone in
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the world was talking about this film and it had
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a big impact and definitely changed my entire life to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this moment, and Donald's as well. And I just wanted
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you to say, tell us a little about how it began,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: because a lot of our audience won't have seen it,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: even though we begged them to watch it so we
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: could have a discussion about it. But some of them won't.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: They may have heard, Oh, I have people in my
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: lifetime like have you seen it? And they go, no,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see it because I love fish.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I don't want to stop eating fish. And I just
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: think that's a funny response because you're like, well, you
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: don't have to give ut fish. You don't want to,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: but you should at least see what the man has
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: to say. So how did it begin in terms of
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the documentary? Is I remember recall you said I set
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: out to make a documentary on plastics in the ocean
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: because I thought that was the biggest conundrum. And then
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: one of the things I like in documentaries is when
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: they start out to be about one thing and then
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the filmmaker takes a right turn because they in their
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: research they learned something they never knew. And that feels
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: like it happened to you. So so should just take
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: us take it from there a little bit? Yes? Well,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, so the film did go crazy
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and we weren't expecting yet. It's a documentary about the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: oceans and fish and who would have thought? And I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: did start off to try and explore the ocean in
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a way that continued my naivety of what I always
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: believed about the ocean from David Attenborough and other great
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you know documentaries that really helped me fall in love
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with the sea where I live in the UK. You know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you don't you don't see dolphins like you in Malibu.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't see him like the great barrier
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: reef like you do in in northern northeastern Australia. So
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: for me, my my way of exploring the world was
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: vicariously through films and and and so I wanted to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: one day be able to explore the seas just like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: they did, just like Jack Cousteau and Sylvia Earl and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and other great legends of marine exploration. And like most people,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I always thought that plastics were the main threat. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you know, try to eat dolphins safe when you can,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and that's that's the be all on end and that's
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: really all you can do to save the ocean. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you know, my view of the seas where everything was
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: hunky dorry. And when I was about seventeen, this huge
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: whale washed up pretty much on my doorstep here in
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the southeast of England, and that's my That was my
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: first glimpse, first of all, was seeing a real whale,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: like right there outside of places like Sea World, which
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: is a completely foreign environment for these animals to be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: in when I was a baby, when I was a kid,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: when I saw them um and it kind of sparked
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: my curiosity to see it at something might be wrong
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with the sea and the autopsies were showing plastic was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: being ingested by these animals, and that led me down
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: the route of exploring that until you know I ended
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: up in Japan and then Hong Kong. Before you know it,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm halfway around the world speaking to Thai slaves and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: out at sea with the Liberian Coast Guard looking at
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: legal fishing. And so the journey just went from there. Yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: now you went really deep, and there's so much the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: documentary covers. For me, one of the things that you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: talk about a lot of things, and I want to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: just talk about the main bullet points, But one of
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the things I really was troubled by is why aren't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: these NGOs the sort of health companies. I don't know
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what you call them. I guess they're called ngeos. Boun't
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: even know what the fuck that means. But why do
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: they avoid speaking about not easy fish? Yeah? Why why
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: do they avoid the subject? It seems in your documentary
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: it's a bit of a conspiracy that they're they're getting
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: money from from fish organizations and from animal agriculture in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the case of land animals. But what is that? Because
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to me, that was the most befuddling thing One of
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the most befuddling things in your documentary what In order
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to answer that, you need to follow the money, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's it can be impossible to get a solid answer.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But a lot of the time, the marine conservation, the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: marine sciences, the fishery scientists tend to be paid for
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: by the fishing industry, and so there's a little bit
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of a revolving door sometimes between those ocean NGOs and
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: those sort of fishing industry you know, regulating bodies or
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be that are in charge of like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: managing fish populations, and so their paychecks, you know, might
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: not be coming from the fishing industry right now, but
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: their next job will, and they've got relationships that they built.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, if you're speaking out about the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: leading threat of the oceans, you want to try and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: avoid the big one, which is the fishing industry, which
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is paying us all that money if you're working there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And so we'd rather talk about plastic straws, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: or harry on this myth of sustainable fishing, even though
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we're living in a state where the oceans have never
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: been more depleted, and yet when you walk into assume
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: market pretty much anywhere you are in the world, all
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the fish is saying that sustainable. Now, how can those
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: two realities be simultaneously in existence. It's a paradox, right,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense, and it's You could equate it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to the Amazon Rainforest. If you said that, hey, ninety
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: percent of the wildlife in the Amazon Rainforest has gone,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: what should we do? You wouldn't say, let's sustainably kill
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the last ten percent. And yet that's what we're doing
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: for the oceans, And unfortunately, there's a lot of internal
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: corruption and the funding is often coming from the fishing
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: industry to those very organizations that are in charge of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: stewarding the ocean and taking care of the ocean. It says, yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: for me, it's unexcitable and it felt like a betrayal
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: when I found that out. You caught a lot of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: people with their jaw dropped. I thought, like a lot
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of you found yourself in a lot of awkward interviews,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: which are great if you like documentaries. I love a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: good solid, awkward, cringey documents, a cringey interview, But you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: found yourself in a lot of places with people that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: seemed to not know you were going there with your questions.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Did you find that to be the case? Yeah, And
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think because of the way we did the film.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it was just so lucy. It was just
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Lucy and I that were doing the filming, and we
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: were the ones that were, you know, traveling around the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: world as well. But we have these small, tiny cameras,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you know, we're shooting on tiny little handy you know,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: sort of DSLR type cameras, and I don't think the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: people that were interviewing took us very seriously, and I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: think that let their guard down in a big way
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and it actually helped to open up the interviews. So,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: whether that be speaking to some of the people in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: these in these ocean organizations or to the European Commissioner
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of Fisheries in the Environment for Europe and the European
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Union government. Somehow we snuck in and and asked those honestly,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: very straightforward questions. We weren't trying to do a gotcha thing,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: we weren't trying to be confrontation or aggressive, very very
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: simple questions and it was amazing to see the lengths
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that some of them would go to to you know
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: avoid you know, kind of like speaking to politicians you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: there's always a way to weave around it, and so
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you know, yes, we persisted a little bit and just
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: kept on bringing it back, and that's that's when it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: really came across that they didn't want to talk about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: something or they really didn't know what they were talking about,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and that's what sort of led to it. Let's take
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a break. We'll be right back after these fine words.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel like your life was in danger? Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this is a question. This question comes up a lot,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and I think I was thinking, by the way, before
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you answer it, I just want to say Donald, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: had that exact thought when I was thinking today, we're
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: knowing you, we're going to see you, I was thinking, like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: what do I want to ask him? Obviously I don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: want to try and ask him some questions that he
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: hasn't been asked, because I know you've been doing You've
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: had a ton of interviews and pressed after this. But
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that kept coming up in my mind too, because not
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: only do you seem like you could be in danger
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a few times in documentary, but this had such a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: big impact and these are such big players. I sort
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of made a sort of off hand joked to you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: when we were when we were texting each other like
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: are you are you safe? So yeah, I agree with
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Donald's question. Do you ever feel at the time when
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you're making it end now that you're that you're in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: any danger? Well, hindsight is twenty twenty, and I think
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time, it wasn't until we'd left
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a scenario or a country that we looked back and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: looked to our footage and and kind of wondered whether
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: what we were doing was actually quite safe. And and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that's when we realized the danger of it. So sometimes
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: when you're in the moment um, I guess you guys,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're on the set, you're filming,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you're just worried. You're just concerned about telling the story,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: exploring the subject, and getting the footage. And it's only
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: when you think back you realize the danger you put
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: yourself into get those shots. Yeah, but we're not. We're
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: not pissing off billion dollars industries that would that would
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: love that would love you to quote go away. Yeah, true, true. Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So there's there's some countries I've been told I appreciate
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: be going back to um. You know what, Look, we
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: were dealing with some pretty serious issues in from from
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: a very very large global industry with a lot of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: connections to government and lobbying power. When we're in Thailand,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for example, we were we were trying to uncover the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: human rights violations that are happening there, the slavery, the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: force labor, and you know, for us when we were
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: going there, kind of sounds self for grandizing to think that, hey,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: we were the ones that were that were in danger,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: when really, like we we were trying to tell the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: stories of people whose lives were actually in danger for
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: decades or years at sea, not being able to return home,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: being being thrown with boiling water, porn all over them,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: threatened with iron bars, guns thrown overboard. We were trying,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: we were making sure it was trying to be about them,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: but simultaneously, you know, when you're in that scenario, um,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you know, our translator was basically saying in the car
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: when we were trying to film him, Hey, don't feel
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: my face because I could be hunted down for helping you.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And that's that's that's when it suddenly became real for us.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And that was on the way to do those interviews
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: in it and it kind of We went there with
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the intention, I think, to have like a two or
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: three week trip to try and capture everything, and it
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: ended up being like just a couple of days because
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we had to just cool everything off and just come
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: back home m because of the risks. So what about
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: post your success, because you know, I feel like, also
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: this blew up so big that you know, everyone in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the in the world weighed in on your documentary and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: we can talk about some of the some of the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: criticism of it, because anytime anything gets huge, people have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a lot to say. But that's just in a normal
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: documentary or a film, like making a big proclamation about
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a very, very wealthy industry. And I just wondered if
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: again you ever you felt since the success that you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that you've been in danger. Yeah. I do feel like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: both myself and Lucy are in danger perhaps in the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: near future when we go out and start filming again
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: in some of these locations, because now we're well known.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You gotta do like bot right, they got your pick
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they got both of yours picks up. Like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: did you ever see Romance in the Stone when Danny
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: DeVito is into at the precinct in like Colombia and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: his pictures up on the wall. Her you need you
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: need to hire a fucking bow rats makeup guy, bro
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and just go. I know, maybe I should go. My
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: dad looks a bit like borat his Iranian I should
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: probably like just start dressing up like him because everybody
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: knows your face now. Yeah, so so yeah, that's a good,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: good idea. Maybe maybe my next film will be inspired
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: by Sasha Baron Cohen. Listen. One of the biggest things
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: for me, I saw Blackfish, and I loved When I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was a kid, going to Sea Roll was so exciting.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I loved Sea Roll. We had a Scrubs episode with
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Sea World in it, you know, we we didn't know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I was in someplace in Mexico where you can swim
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: with dolphins. I love dolphins. I thought it was the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. I just didn't know. And then I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: saw Blackfish and it was one hundred and eighty degrees
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: epiphany for me. Like I had no idea Fox Sea
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: World keeping these giant creatures in a in basically a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: performance enforced performance mode in tiny tanks. I felt like this,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and I think Donald did too, that this was that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: way about eating fish and I had already given up
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: eating eating animals land animals for the most part, because
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know what, I don't want
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to be a part of this anymore for all the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: obvious reasons. And at least I'll have fish. I like fish.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: And then I watched your documentary and I'm like, this, mofo,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Now I can't eat fish. And really, one of the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: most one of the things that really got me was
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: this whole thing a byecatch, because I didn't realize I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had no idea, like the blackfish story. I had no
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: idea they were keeping orcas in a minuscule tank and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that they were depressed and they were pulling their babies
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: away from of them. And now you say, I'm just
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: reading here through over three hundred thousand whales and dolphins
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: are killed every year correct as a result of bycatch.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: That is to say, these giant fishing trawlers are pulling
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: enormous the biggest nets you can imagine, and in doing so,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: whilst getting the fish that they want to sell, they're
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: taking up approximately three hundred thousand whales and dolphins. Additionally,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a thousand sea turtles are caused by plastics. Sorry so
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: so what going go into the numbers and then and then,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And this was a real big thing for me because
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I just assumed naively, like everyone does. Something says dolphins safe,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, cool, I can eat that. Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: So so one of the best estimates that has been
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: around for a while is that three hundred thousand dolphins, whales,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and pulpouses are killed in fishing gear every year. Now,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I spoke to another person from the UK who believes
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that just in Europe it could be in the region
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of a million commando dolphins are killed in fishing year.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: We just don't know. It could be. I mean, we
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: could come out with another documentary another few years and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it could be like, you know, three million a year.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: The point is, we just don't know. Because it's so
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: far out sea, there's no interest, there's no there's no
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: there's no incentive for a fisherman to report the dolphins
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that he's killed. He's only going to get punished for it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And so it continues to happen. And in fact, many
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of the dolphins and whales that wash up on our
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: coasts are actually the dead dolphins that died in those
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: nets that have been discarded and for every one that
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: washes up, there's about another ten that sink at sea,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and so we never get a true picture of what
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: actually happens when it comes to turtles. A global study
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: estimated a you know, conservative number, but about a thousand
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: turtles die from from plastic consumption. Now when you compare
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that to the impact of fishing by catch. In the film,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we mentioned a fact that's two hundred and fifty thousand
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: sea tutles die every year, just US fisheries. Now, since then,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: since the film's come out, the group behind that that
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: number actually said, hey, we made a mistake. It was
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: just it wasn't US numbers, it was it was global.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: We'd a little bit more digging and found it a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: more recent number and found it it's actually more in
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the region of five hundred thousand sea titles every year
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: killed in fishing gear. So this is by far the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: biggest threat. It's not see you know that that video
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that went viral years ago, that plastic straw up the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: nose of its title, And now, look, plastic consumed. Plastic
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: is important that we tackle. I'm not I'm not trying
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to share on it or anything, but we need to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: start addressing the big picture, It's like, if we had
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a ship that was sinking and we've got a massive
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: hole at the bottom called the fishing industry and bikecatch,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we should be clogging that one up before we use
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: teaspoons to flick water out the other side of the boat.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And that's what really like plastic straws is to me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: So so yes, it's a huge impact on wildlife. That's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why they're going becoming threatened in our
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: seas well. At the end of the at the end
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of the documentary, you were saying, like, if we just
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: gave the ocean ten years, it would it would regenerate
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: itself and stuff like that. How is there such thing like?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: And also there were the people that were in these
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: boats that were in pretty much canoes kayaks in the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: middle of the ocean, in the middle of the ocean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: fishing near these uh near these other giant boats because
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: they were hungry fishermen trying to feed well because those
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: crews have come in and taken all the fish, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: those those those guys who were who need fish to
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: live were like, can we have some of your fish please?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: How do we get back to that? Though? Like it
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: says ten years. How is there a way to stop
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: commercial fishing to where there's not hundreds and hundreds and
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of boats out there just raking the sea,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: uh and and and and killing it. Can we how
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: do we get back to that? Because the solution can't
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: be just stop eating fish, because not everybody's gonna do that, right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: not only everyone can, I mean Ali, one of the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: criticisms you got was like, hey, this is this is
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: not a luxury some people can try to do giving
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: up fish. This is their only source of food in
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: some parts of the world. Right. Isn't that correct that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you got that critique? Yes, so there's there's a few
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: questions there. So so sorry, We're sorry, We're so we're
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: so excited to have you. We have or like just
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like firing questions at you. But we are very interesting.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I love it, no, absolutely, as in my passion. I'm
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: happy too. So so when it comes to what we can,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like do ocean ecosystems bounce back, they absolutely do. You
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: just gotta give them time. You just got to leave
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: them alone. Essentially, the best thing we can do is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: really just leave the oceans alone. And when it comes
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to the ten year mark. We've got a petition that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: says that we want to try and um put it,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: protect thirty percent of our oceans from industrial fishing by
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the year twenty thirty. And that's going to create a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: huge buffer for marine life to come back. And and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: so when it comes to those those people around the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: world who are dependent on fish, who truly do rely
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: on fish for sustenance, the biggest threat to those communities,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: whether they be in Africa or in Southeast Asia or
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: wherever they are, usually the biggest threat to them actually
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: putting food on their on their dinner tables is the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: industrial fishing fleets that usually coming from Europe or Asia
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: and basically stealing all the fish. Now taken to an
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: it's extreme that that's what happened in Somalia which led
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to the Somalia piracy issue. Now there were other political issues,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the issues that were happening at the same time, but
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the illegal fishing which was really sort of like the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: catalyst which which brought about the Somalian piracy. They were
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: all fishermen before they resorted to commandering boats with old
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: AK forty sevens. And one one fact that often gets
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: misquoted as a as a way to critique. To critique
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the film is a number that came out. I think
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it might be in the FAO that said three billion
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: people worldwide rely on fish too as their for nutrition.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Now that's not what the actual quote said. It said
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that three billion people get a portion of their animal
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: protein from fish. I think it's usually around the twenty
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: percent mark. Now that's your that's your your animal protein
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: or your overall protein. Now, for example, in India, where
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the animal protein consumption is low, let's say it's some
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: dairy or some fish, you could say that fish comprises
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: maybe eighty percent of their animal protein. That's misleading. It
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: makes me think that they entirely rely on it to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: feed themselves. It's a little bit more complicated than that now,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: but people do rely on it. But for the vast
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: majority of people, you're going to be fine if you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: don't eat If you don't eat fish, and shifting to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: plant based options are often cheaper, especially in Europe. I mean,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: fish is pretty much a luxury creating, like a salmon
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: or you know, lots of different species of fish. They
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: tend to be a luxury item. It's not something that's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you're absolutely depending on and how do we stop these
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands or millions of fishing vessels at sea.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six or seven, there was a global
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: moratorium on industrial whaling. What happened was in the years
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: leading up to it, it was like the birth of
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the environmental movement. People were going out to see with
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: cameras and documenting the industrial whaling and how bad it was.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: That put pressure from governments to change, from people rising
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: up and saying, hey, we need we recognize whaling has
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: played an important part in our culture, in an economy
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, but now it's times it comes
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to an end. We've we've we've wacked these populations so much.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: We can do an international moratorium on industrial fishing, all
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: heavy gear fishing technology. We can do that in the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: next few years. If this film continues to rise up
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: that pressure. There's no difference really. I mean sure, fishing
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: industry is huge today, but the whaling industry used to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: be huge. It's one of the first international trades was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the whaling industry. Is what lit our homes with whale
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: oil and stuff like that. So we need government pressure
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: as well as like grassroes up in personal Actually, yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: do you think that. I mean, that would be the best,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: greatest outcome that could come out of the difference you've made,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is you know, it's one thing that I am sure
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Donald and I are not the only ones who made
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: such an impact on it. It It goes without saying, because
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: it's become such a huge success. What do people let
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you fire it up? Like me? What can we do?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we can sign your petition, so one
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of them, you're right, is the petition, you know, And
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: so far we've had six hundred and fifty thousand signatures
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: on our petition in the last month or two, which
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is huge, and we're going to be taking those signatures
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to the G seven summit next month. I think Joe
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Biden's coming down as well as other leaders from around
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the world. We're going to present them to those leaders
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to show that people will have desperate to be heard
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: on this issue. We want protection of our seas, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden came out and said that he's going to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: try and he's pledging to conserve thirty percent of the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: US land and seas by the year twenty thirty, which
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: sounds great. However, when you've look into the fine print
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of the pledge, you realized actually twenty six percent of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the US waters are already part of a marine protected zone,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: so this would only mean a four percent increase over
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the next ten years. And the problem with marine protected
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: zones is they don't actually mean anything unless you have
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a no take zone, it doesn't mean anything. It's like
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: having turning the Amazon rainforest into a protected area but
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: still allowing logging and forest fires. It's literally like that.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: So we need to put pressure on governments to create
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: no take zones. It's the only thing that matters when
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it comes to protecting the sea. And when it comes
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to the support we've had from Asia. I'm getting messages
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: every day from people from who grew up in fishing
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: villages in rural Japan how eating fish was was, you know,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: just part of their upbringing. Dates every day and now
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: they're not, and now they're they're actually they never realized
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the impact fishing was having on the oceans. And the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: support from Asia has been huge. It's it's been incredible
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to hear those stories that one town with the with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the with the whale massacres that was also featured in
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: The Cove, that documentary The Cove, which is another documentary.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: If you're as interested in this as Donald and I are,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I recommend watching The cove Um. But um, like, oh gosh,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that's one of the places where I really thought you
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: were going to get killed when you were filming those guys.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, Okay, I'm sorry for being so
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: naive on this, but surely there's Japanese people that must
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be so livid about this too, right, I mean, we
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: don't have any power over Japan, but the Japanese people,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and doll, how is this still so popular there? This
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: this brutal whaling that goes on. Well, actually a lot
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of people in Japan just don't know what happens. It's
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: as simple as that the government don't publicize it. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the thing is that there's a lot of there's cultural differences,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and there's political pressure. There's a lot of nationalists in
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that region of Taiji, and they get very defensive when
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of foreign activists, like we would I mean,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: if American if American soil had like always Japanese activists
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: saying you couldn't do something, you know, you'd have naturalists
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: come up and try to fight them off. And but yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: unfortunately that has distracted from it. But people just often,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, just like this film is shown like people
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: just weren't aware of the problem even within Japan, that
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: dolphins and whales being killed in the same way that
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: people in France have not been aware that in just
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a small town in the west on the western south
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: coast of France, ten thousand dolphins are being killed in
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: just a season of sea bass fishing. Right, just people
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: are just unaware of this no matter where you are,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: whether you're from the United States, France, Japan, it's all
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the same. Like I feel like if people were just
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to even if you don't give a crap about fish,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: let's say you don't give two ships about fish whatever,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: if they could just understand that if the ocean dies,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: we all die, all of us die, then maybe you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I just I just don't understand. There's so many warning
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: signs and so many things that are that are there
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that you know that we should be listening to, and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: we're not. And I don't understand how companies could be like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: my money is my money. I'm gonna grow all of
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: this money i possibly can, and once everybody dies, I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: gonna die with mine. It's like I'm gonna die with
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: my money. You can't take that ship. You can't take
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: it with you. Write that down. Hey the Egyptian, don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: think think about it. The Egyptians tried to take it
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: with them, and what did they do? They got wrong.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: We don't know. That's what they might be in heaven
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: with their goats. We don't know. I'm telling you right now,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: tootin common all of these, all of these do you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: make a face, Daniel? What's wrong? They were buried with
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: their animals, weren't they? Were they with theirs? They were
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: buried with gold and their favorite animals. Am I wrong? Okay?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Guess guess what's not in their tombs? Their gold? It's gone.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll be right back after these
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: fine words. One of the things I thought was interesting
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: when you got critique because you said the oceans will
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: be empty by twenty forty eight. There was a big pushback,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: but it seemed to me the tenor of the pushback
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: was like, no, they won't, it'll be twenty seventy. There
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: was a lot of like, that's your fucking being crazy
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: twenty forty eight, and there was like, no, no, it'll be,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it'll be twenty one hundred or whatever, but it'll still like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: but everyone agrees that we're on a trajectory to emptying
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the ocean, right, Yeah, it's it's it's it's I mean,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it's kind of pathetic. It's like it's like arguing about
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like who's going to jump off a cliff bus, Like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter. Point point is our oceans are emptying,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right. It's like the study that we
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: were sighting in the film, and we were careful to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: make sure we sighted it well, was that, according to
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the study, if fishing trends continue the way they have
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: been by the twenty forty eight, the oceans we virtually
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: empty of fish. Now that doesn't mean there's not going
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to be a single fish left. It just means they've
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: got to get to the point where they're so collapsed
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that it's just not there's just not feasible anymore to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: be catching fish. And that study was from two thousand
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and six, and people have said that the that the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: paper was retracted. It never was. It's been cited like
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: three thousand, three hundred times or something ridiculous, and the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: original author, I think more recently looked back at the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: fish populations and found that many of the species were
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: actually in a worse steak than they than they were
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: when he did the original paper, And the United Nations
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: put out a report just like last year and said that, yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I mean if if basically by twenty fifty most typical
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: fish stocks will be completely collapsed. So it's crazy, I mean,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And the main point is, who cares whether it's twenty
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: fifty eight, twenty sixty eight, twenty seventy eight, it doesn't matter.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: We're all it's going in the wrong direction. And one
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of the main critics of that paper and of us
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: has been a guy called ray Hillborn And according to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a Green Piece article, I don't know it's for sure,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: but according to a Green Piece article, he was paid
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to like three point five million dollars from the fishing
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: industry to do his fishing studies and never disclosed it
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: for years until more recently, and basically another another example
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of a fishery scientist getting paid by the industry itself
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: to defend it and be an overfishing denier. Well, yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean that that's crazy to me. That's that's the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: craziest thing ever. Like we know, global warming is happening.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I should say climate change is happening. We
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: know this is happening, and we know that we are
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: part of the reason why this is happening, a big
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: part of it. And yet still we're like, I'm still
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: gonna burn coal, I'm still gonna burn gas, I'm still
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: gonna overfish the sea, you know what I mean. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: it's like, because I'm trying to get minds and I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: feel like that's what you know. America is great for
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: one of those for that reason alone. You have the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: freedom to go out and make it happen for yourself.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But at some point we got to look at what
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: we're doing to each other, and we're not looking out.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I mean we are, but we're like, I don't give
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a shit. It's fucking hilarious to me, and it's scary. Also,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: it's like, what my kids are gonna have to go
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: through when they're my age. If they're by twenty we
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: said twenty twenty eight, they'll be like thirty five, thirty
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: six years old by that time. Dude. Yeah, well, holy shit.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Like I've got I've
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: not since I've got a one year old baby, he
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: was born during the pandemic, and it was like post production.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It was kind of crazy, but I worked out that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm twenty seven now I realized that he will
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: be twenty seven exactly twenty forty eight. So it's kind
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of brought it home for me as well. Like and often,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: there's something called the economics of extinction, and there's there's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: actually a benefit for those involved in fishing for species
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to become more and more scarce because it drives up
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: profit in the same way that things anything that's scarce
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: becomes profitable. That's why bluefin tuna is getting upside three
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: million dollars for a fish in Japan is because that's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a rad I want to talk about. We won't keep
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you too much longer. I want to talk about a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: few things in the supermarket that really landed with me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, Joelle has just chimed in that, yes,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: they were buried with their animals, including lions, cats, and dogs.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mention aren't lions, aren't lions cats? Yes, But
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I also gets funnier to say goats. So I said goats,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I pictured a goat with like a golden collar. Well,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they left the goat's carcass. They just took the golden collars.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think anyone who robbed the sermons
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: took the goat bones. Um, maybe you should make a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: documentary about this, Alie. Now, a few things that stood
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: out to me in the supermarket that I didn't know
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: all right. First of all, salmon is no longer pink.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: That's all die pretty much. Yeah, farm salmon gets given farms,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: so specifically, farm salmon doesn't turn that color. And you
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: showed in the documentary a color wheel like you'd see
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: for paint chips in your house, and and the particular
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: distributor gets to choose how pink they want their fish
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to look. Yeah, I mean if you if you go
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to Whole Foods right now or tomorrow or whatever, like
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you'll see on the back of farm salmon. Even other
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: things I think, like shrimp as well, they feed them
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: a die in it. They usually have to label what
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: they do, and most yeah, farm salmon would probably be
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: gray because they're swimming in circles. These are fish that
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: are built to like swim up waterfalls forty miles a day,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and they're just swimming in circles in their own filth,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and their flesh just literally turns gray. So they have
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to dye the salmon it's color, it's pinkish orange color
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in order for it to be palatable and for them
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: to do their marketing adverts for So yeah, you know
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: what made me right then and there. That was the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: point where I was like, oh, I'm not eating it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: When he was like they're swimming around, they'd like these
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: things got clamidia. The fish guy, I was like, well,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: you know what, yep, listen. One thing, One thing I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: don't want is chlamydia on my fish um. Now. Another
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: thing I don't want to many on anything, but especially
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: my fish. Another thing I think it was your doc,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: but I've watched like so many you send me down
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a wormhole of these docks. I've watched like nine hundred
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of them. But I forgot some of the things that
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I forgot if it's you or somebody else, but that
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the fish we're seeing in the tent, in the in
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the on the ice and the supermarket is at least
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: a week old. I mean at least a week old.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you're talking about the I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: mean think about boat that's like thousand miles at seeing
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you really think it's going to get to you in
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a day. In my mind, up to forty fucking six
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: years old, I did. I honestly thought. I especially thought
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: if I'm going to a high end market like Whole Foods,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like look how fresh that is? And then you said that,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a week old. That's not
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: what I picked it. I mean, hey, hey, Zach, that's
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that's optimistic. I mean, that's the bluefinchina that's about twenty
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: years old in a freezer somewhere right now. Like it's
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: literally you're talking about really old fish that died decades ago.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It's being stopped up. Um, but yeah, weeks months? Uh yeah, man. Okay,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Now my last question, and it's probably one of the
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: bigges ones in the documentary, and we can finish on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: this because I'm sure you have better things to do,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: like go back to watching Garden State. But the thing
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that sort of fooled us all was this idea of
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: something being dolphins safe. Um, it's the documentary, if you
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it shows that that that's not true. There's
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: no way, there's no possible way to police these boats.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: We don't there's no not nearly enough manpower. It all
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: happens with sillion miles from shore. Um Zach. They try,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: they try, It's just that some of these people are
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: easily bought or quickly killed. So just just touch on
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that real quickly ality, because there's plenty people who are
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: listening to this, going, guys, great, that's cool. He sounds cool.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop eating fish. I eat dolphins
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: safe everything. Well, at least know that that's bullshit, which
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Ali will now tell you why. Yeah, I mean, dolphins
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Safe Tuna is for me, and my opinion is complete bullshit. Basically,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: they can't guarantee that Dolphinsafe Tuna is in fact dolphins safe.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And I heard it from the horse's mouth. I mean,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I speared to the guy who basically runs the group,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, you can't guarantee it. Who knows
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: what happens when these ships are out at sea. You
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: could send observers to be on board and make sure
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: they're doing everything right, but then they could be bribed.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the label doesn't guarantee anything. And yet we
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't stand for this when it came to anything else.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: If it was like, hey, your your produce, Hey guess
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: what it's. It's maybe organic or maybe not GMO. You know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you want one hundred percent guarantee, and yet with Dolphin
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Safe Tuna, there's no guarantee for it. And I believe
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it's fraud and I don't think it's going to be
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: you know, staying on supermarket shelves much longer. I think
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: a time for it to change his name. The added
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: thing was that this label became a thing that the
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: companies would license. So it's a bit of a scam, right,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: they're paying, they're paying for something that can't be regular. Well,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the MSc label, which is like
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the gold standard sustainable certifier of the world's fisheries, Yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: they get something like eighty percent or more of their
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: income from licensing their logo and seafood products. So there's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: a conflict of interest there. And there are so many
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: instances of fishery that they're labeling is sustainable as you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: one of the best practices in the world, and you
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: look into it and actually they're still wiping out sharks
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and titles and any other you know, swordfish, other other
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: kinds of species that are threatened in our seas and
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: so as we explore in the film is like these
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: these these labels basically have become this huge marketing phrase
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and don't really have any meaning meaning of it at all,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and it's made us all really gullible. Like the word
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: sustainable is something that's made us all extremely gullible. Whenever
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: we see in the supermarket, we feel good about it,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: we feel guilt free, and we've we've brought into it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: But but no, this doesn't have any meanings a similar thing. Again,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is this your doc or not? Forgive me because I've
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: literally watched like ten more you inspired me to go
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole. But the thing about the recycling
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: icon with the number in the middle, no, that wasn't.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. But that's a whole I
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: know a little So it reminds me a little bit.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: So the recycling arrow thing icon that we see on
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: all plastics, right, So the plastics industry campaigned to have
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: that beyond every piece of plastic, which leads the average
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: person myself to think, oh, all of this is recyclable.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: That's bullshit. Look inside the numbers. Only numbers one, two,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and I think five are actually truly recyclable. The industry
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: successfully lobbied to have that sort of arrow icon on
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: all plastics, leading people like me to think that everything
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I was putting in the recycling is recycling. Well, next
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: time you're putting something recycling, look at the number. If
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it's not one, two or five, it's not even recyclable.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And here's another thing about that. No, and this is
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: kind of outside of my expertise, but basically everything is recyclable.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It's just that there's a cost to recycling it. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: so recycling warehouses or whatever you'd call it, only gonna
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: First of all, they have to sort through it. They
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: have to count all those numbers. And what happened. I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: heard a guy in Hong Kong who's involved in this
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: plastic issue. He says, there's been all these new plastic
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: straws come out that have been made out of like cornstarch. Right,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: they're apparently like degradable or compostible. He says, what the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: thing is when you put that in a regular bin,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it's not going to compost. And what happens is if
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: if the guy at the recycling plant who looks at
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: plastical ed a, he can tell you what's what's compostible
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: and what's just regular plastic. If he sees some compostible
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: ones in the other plastic, he will just throw the
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: whole bag to landfill. So it's like the whole plastic
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: trash thing is the whole other sort of cattle of fish.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Excuse the pun, but it needs its own researching as well.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. We've all been duped by labels everywhere. Yeah,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I find that I got so mad when I watched
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: your documentary, feeling like on so many things, but really
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: feeling like we've been duped. We've been duped by being
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: told someone's dart, something's dolphin saved. We've been duped by saying, oh,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: this is recyclable, and it all comes from giant entities
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: with zillions of darts are getting their way pretty much. Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I think that's why we've seen such levels
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: of environmental decline despite the overwhelming rise in awareness of
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: these things. You know, we're living in a time where
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: most people have never cared more about the environment because
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: we've we all have our basic well not we all have,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: but like a lot of us have our basic needs maps,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: so now we can start thinking beyond that. And yet
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: we're being constantly duped, and our concern is being redirected
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: back into those industries that are actually the destroyers of
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: those things that we care about. And that's why I say,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: you know, since since like the last thirty years or
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: or more, we've we've we've we've never seen more emphasis
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: on sustainable fishing and eco conscious, eco labels and sustainability
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and all those things. And yet in the last thirty
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: forty years we've seen the most levels of decline, and
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I believe part of the reason for that is that
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: we're all being duped by these genius marketing agencies behind
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: these companies. Well, I think you really make an indifference.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Um you another documentary documentarians are making difference. You certainly
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: made a giant and I just think you're an inspiration man.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: You're you were twenty two when you started this and
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you're twenty seven now. I mean, listen, if you're listening
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to this, look how what a difference you can make
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: if you put your mind to something. I mean, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: just think you're there's so many people want to make
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: a difference in the world, and you really are doing that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: It's just the fact that you didn't you took you
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: took a camera, a small little camera, you and your
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: You and your wife. She's your wife, right, yeah. So
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: we started off just as friends and by the end
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: of it we you know, I propose now we have
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: a kid love story. Telling you right now in your
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: face will do that shit a gun in your face,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: will do that shit out of nowhere. Baby, you know
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: what I was together, You can We have gone through
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: some stuff, that's true, right, I can't. I can't imagine
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: being with anyone else. Right, Well, let's make a baby exactly.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: She's in the other room right now. I mean, I
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what when people are listening to this, but
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's late here in the UK, and she would
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: have loved to be on and I think it's funny things.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I think you should tell her when she wakes up
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that we were very offended that she slept through the interview.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: We will wrap it up, but tell everyone where they
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: go if they want to sign your petition. So I
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: think the best place to direct people is either our
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: website C spiracy or our social media on Instagram. Is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the best place is at c spiracy and all the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: links are there. To our petition. It's you know, we'd
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: love to get this to a million signatures. I think
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that'd be incredible to be able to like hand that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: off to these worldly there's hey, look, they go one
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: million boom and we're currently just three hundred and fifty
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: thousand off of that. So we just really want to
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like just get that extra mind. Everybody, go sign links,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: go sign a petition, and listen. We are not prositizing.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I'm brand new to this topic. Don't think I'm I'm
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: on high and mighty telling you to stop eating fish.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: But I do think you should watch this documentary at
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the very least because you know there will be I
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: guarantee you there will be things in this documentary that
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: you didn't know that open your eyes to what you're
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: putting in your you and your family's uh stomachs, right Donald, Yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: your yeah, I agree. Listen, we'd know that we can't
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: convince people to do something that they don't want to do,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: but at least go out and get some information before
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: you say, before you say that's not for me or
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: that's for me, don't don't take dick right, You know
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that too? He yeah, well, and I agree, I agree absolutely,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: because that's that's the whole place that I came from
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: when making this film, is a place of curiosity and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: just love for the ocean. And you know, any any
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: move that people can do in their daily lives in
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that direction of moving towards that plant based diet and
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: avoiding that that the consumption of marine life, that wildlife
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that's in the ocean, that's gonna be a great thing. Um.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're like is where I came from,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And if you're like me and you are fascinated by
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: this and want to go down the wormhole. Some others
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I liked were game changers, Um, what the health? Um? Conspiracy?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, one of the biggest questions I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: buried the lead. One of the biggest questions I get
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: is how could he not have spelled it conspiracy? Sea? Yeah,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad, Yeah, because I was like, I was like,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: everyone was like there was something like on on on,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you became so popular. There was like this
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: meme that was like fifty percent of people that watched
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the movie go I'm never eating fish again. Fifty percent
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of people going, how could he not have called it conspiracy?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: I know, it was like it went so viral. That mean,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it was so viral that we were so happy about
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it because it gave comedians the opportunity to talk about
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the film to like millions of followers, and it just
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: it was honestly, it was an an accidental marketing pr
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: genius thing that happened, and I was so glad about it.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: But see, like the conspiracy thing, so c Spiracy kind
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: of follows on with from from cal Spiracy. The executive
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: producer is Kip Anderson, who produced cal Spiracy with with
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Keithan Koon And so this is kind of like following
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: that vein of film um and the reason why not conspiracy?
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: We'd be forever trying to spell conspiracy. Imagine why the mouth?
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Hey have you seen conspiracy? Conspiracy? No conspiracy? Sea? Oh
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: why didn't they just call it c spire? I can't
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: tell you because I promoted you so much because I'm
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: like your publicist. How many people were like, it was
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: right there? How how did he miss it? People are
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: like disappointed, like he's such a talented filmmaker, how could
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he have missed it? It was right there? No, Yeah,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I hate to sat but like
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: we genuinely did. We thought about the title years ago,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: and we just love that c Spiracy was the own thing.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: And um, well, you're a very gift You're a very
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: gifted filmmaker. And I hope that we get to watch
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: many of your films. I'm sure, um you're gonna do.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I think you said in our in our chat that
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you're going to also make narrative films as well as documentaries.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Donald and I are of both of it for hire. Um,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: if you need. I'm a decent actor, He's a very
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: good he can do draw Well, guys, let's let's let's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: talk then it'd be it'd be great. I think we'll
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: be coming out to the States hopefully this year. Um,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: as soon as you know COVID permitting and everything. It'd
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: be great to meet up. Um. But yeah, I'd like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to explore narrative films. I got some other documentaries up
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: up my sleeve which are equally explosive and revealing stories.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Just be careful for anything on aliens, anything on what
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: about area fifty one? Can you do that now? I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: mean I can, I can try if if you if
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: if pretty pleased, and maybe I'll didn't know. There are
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: so many way right nowsposing people we want to know
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: about area fifty one and Nail. You know, it's so
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: funny during fifty one there every dude, it's crazy. The
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: aliens came out as like a total real thing during
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: COVID and everyone was so busy they were like not
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: now aliens and no one's talking about it. Did you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: see the fucking video of the fighter pilot being like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: seeing that that space cruiser or whatever it was, and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: he was like, holy shit, lookna go, there's like a genius,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: like level badass fighter jet pilot with this UFOs sighting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and no one's even talking about it because everyone's too
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: out the one what about the guys that were on
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: the battleship and the things hovering over the thing and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: then dips back into the water and stuff like the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: government coming came out and said yeah, yeah, yeah, there's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: UFOs and everyone's like not now, UFOs were busy. I
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: can't believe it. I know humanity has been waiting like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: like thousands of years for this moment for the Yeah, dude,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that's why we need you for drop whatever you're doing.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: We need you to make a UFO. Do we need
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: to do a UFO doc makeily sitting down with like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: an alien being. Now listen, this is an uncomfortable, cringing interview,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like but why are you here? Yeah, they're like to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: get your finish, to get what's left of your fish.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Oh okayspiracy, Oh my god, ali inspiracy. There listen, no
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: one is making this documentary. It's been proven that there's UFOs,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and we need you to do a sit down with
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the aliens because all right, we'll let you go. Thank
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you so much, dude, You're so awesome. Thank you for
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: being a fake doctor's real friends. Thank you, thank you,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: You're amazing, and we'll be back next time with Don't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: worry those of you who are mad we didn't do
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: anything on Scrubs. We'll be back next week with a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: full Scrubs episode. What episode You're well? Four twenty one,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: four twenty one, We'll be back and we'll be doing
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: that one next Tuesday. Thank you so much for listening.
• 1:02:27
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