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- Tanya: My husband and I both turn sixty-five next year, but I’m still working and he’s retiring—how do we know who pays first if we each have different health insurance? This is one of those things you really want to get right. Tanya: Welcome to Smart Coverage. Real Advice., the insurance podcast from The Jordan Insurance Agency. I'm Tanya, your host, and I'm here with Billy Jordan, a licensed insurance agent and the president of The Jordan Insurance Agency. Billy: Glad to be here, Tanya. A quick disclaimer: we're not affiliated with or endorsed by Medicare or any government agency, and this is general education, not advice for your situation. Now, let's get into it. Tanya: So, Billy, what does it mean to coordinate Medicare with other health insurance, and why does the order of who pays matter so much? Billy: Great question. Coordinating Medicare with other health insurance means figuring out which plan pays your medical bills first—this is called the primary payer—and which one picks up any leftover costs as the secondary payer. If you get the order wrong, claims could be denied and you might be left with big, unexpected bills or even lifelong Medicare late penalties. For example, if you’re still working for a large employer and delay Medicare Part B, that’s usually fine. But if you work for a small company and skip Part B, your group plan might refuse to pay most of your outpatient costs. A common mistake is assuming your employer plan always pays first—when sometimes Medicare actually does. Tanya: I’ve heard there’s a magic number—something about twenty employees. Can you clear up what that means? Billy: Absolutely. The twenty-employee rule is key. If your employer has twenty or more employees, your employer plan pays first and Medicare pays second. In that case, you can often delay enrolling in Medicare Part B without penalties. But if your company has fewer than twenty employees, Medicare becomes the primary payer and your employer plan pays only after Medicare has paid its share. So, if you work for a small business in Charlotte with, say, fifteen employees, you must enroll in both Medicare Part A and Part B at sixty-five, or your employer plan may not pay much—or anything—on your claims. A lot of people miss this and end up on the hook for thousands of dollars. Tanya: So, if I work for a smaller company and don’t sign up for Part B, my group insurance might not cover most of my doctor bills? Billy: That’s right. The employer plan can legally deny paying the primary share, leaving you responsible for what Medicare would have covered—usually about eighty percent of outpatient costs. This happens more often than you’d think, especially with people working past sixty-five at small firms or medical practices. Tanya: What about COBRA and Marketplace plans—can those serve as your main insurance after sixty-five? Billy: That’s a really important area. Neither COBRA nor individual Marketplace plans count as creditable coverage for delaying Medicare Part B. If you stick with COBRA or a Marketplace plan after you turn sixty-five and skip enrolling in Medicare, you’ll face a late enrollment penalty. Plus, COBRA and Marketplace plans won’t pay as primary once you’re eligible for Medicare—so you could end up with denied claims and big out-of-pocket bills. One mistake I see a lot is someone retiring at sixty-five, taking COBRA, and thinking they can wait to enroll in Medicare later. Unfortunately, they get hit with penalties and unpaid claims. Tanya: That sounds risky. What about people who want to keep contributing to their Health Savings Account—how does Medicare affect that? Billy: This is a sneaky one. Once you enroll in any part of Medicare, including premium-free Part A, you’re no longer allowed to contribute to your Health Savings Account. But here’s the catch—when you sign up for Part A after age sixty-five, Medicare coverage is retroactive for up to six months. So, if you make HSA contributions during those six months, the IRS treats them as excess contributions and charges a six percent excise tax every year until it’s fixed. The best move is to stop all HSA contributions at least six months before you apply for Medicare Part A. A common mistake is waiting until the last minute and accidentally triggering those tax penalties. Tanya: That’s a detail I bet a lot of people overlook. Now, what about retirees on the North Carolina State Health Plan—how does Medicare work with that? Billy: For retired North Carolina teachers, state employees, or university staff, Medicare always pays first. The State Health Plan is secondary—it only picks up costs after Medicare has paid. So, you need to enroll in both Medicare Part A and Part B at sixty-five, or the state plan can deny your claims. Some retirees assume the State Health Plan still works as primary like it did when they were working, but that’s not the case. Skipping Part B means you could face big unpaid bills. Tanya: And what if you qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid in North Carolina? Billy: If you’re dual-eligible for Medicare and North Carolina Medicaid, Medicare is always the primary payer. Medicaid acts as secondary, helping pay your deductibles, coinsurance, and for some extra services that Medicare doesn’t cover. There are also Medicare Savings Programs in North Carolina, like QMB, SLMB, and QI, that help with premiums and out-of-pocket costs if your income and assets fit the limits. But no matter what, Medicare goes first. Tanya: One last thing—does Medicare ever cover your spouse or dependents? Billy: Medicare is always individual coverage. If you switch to Medicare and drop your employer plan, your spouse or kids won’t be covered under your new plan. They’ll need to look into COBRA, a Marketplace plan, or their own group insurance. A big mistake is assuming your family stays covered when you move to Medicare—unfortunately, that’s not how it works. Tanya: Three things to remember. One, the twenty-employee rule decides whether your employer or Medicare pays first. Two, COBRA and Marketplace plans don’t let you delay Medicare without penalties. Three, enrolling in Medicare triggers rules for HSAs and retiree or Medicaid coverage, so the timing has to be just right. Tanya: For a personalized look at your situation, book a free thirty-minute chat with Billy and his team at thejordaninsuranceagency.com/podcast. Billy: I'm Billy Jordan with The Jordan Insurance Agency. Until next time, take care. Tanya: Thanks for listening to Smart Coverage. Real Advice. from The Jordan Insurance Agency.