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Stop Being A Boring Dad | Pranav Piyush (Dad of 2, Paramark) · Startup Dad

• [00:00:00] Pranav Piyush: be conscious about, you know, where you are in your life stage and what's important to you. And, people are built different. So I don't think there is one universal piece of advice. It's you gotta figure it out for yourself what matters to you, and do that thing, and just be conscious about it. don't let the flow of life dictate what ought to be. [00:00:19] Adam Fishman: Welcome to Startup Dad, the podcast where we dive deep into the lives of dads who are also leaders in the world of startups and business. I'm your host, Adam Fishman. Behind every great startup founder with kids is a partner who does a lot of heavy lifting. Today I sat down with Pranav Piyush, founder and CEO of Marketing analytics company, Paramark, to talk about his wife's role in the success of their family. [00:00:47] Adam Fishman: His business. The two of them have battled health challenges, raising two kids and building his company without much of a local support structure. Today we talked about POV's new definition of 9 9 6. His advice for founders who also have a desire to start a family. Parenting principles like joining your kids in the activities they find fun, challenging your kids, and trying your hardest to put your phone down on the weekends. [00:01:12] Adam Fishman: We also covered his thoughts on education, the continued importance of college for kids, and the importance of developing personal responsibility, accountability, and agency at a young age. If you like what you hear, please subscribe to Startup ad on YouTube or Spotify, so you never miss an episode. You'll find it everywhere you get your podcasts. [00:01:34] Adam Fishman: Welcome Pranav Piyush to Startup Dad, and thank you to fellow Startup Dad, Mike Debo, for reminding me that you are in fact a dad. We've known each other for a bit, but uh, that's not always obvious. So, uh, welcome. [00:01:50] Pranav Piyush: Thank you. Thanks for having me. And yeah, Mike is awesome. and yes, it's crazy. I have a 9-year-old and a six, almost 6-year-old now, so [00:01:58] Pranav Piyush: it's peaked at season right now. [00:01:59] Adam Fishman: Peak dad season. Oh, man. Well, in addition to being a father of two, you're also the founder of a company. You were a husband. and I wanted to start actually on a slightly different note than I normally do, which I wanted to start, by talking about your wife, who you specifically called out as the hero of your family. [00:02:21] Adam Fishman: so how has your wife enabled you to be both a successful founder and successful father? [00:02:28] Pranav Piyush: Oh man, I'm going to get so many brownie points on this one. This is great. I mean, my wife Charu, she is special. She's a special human being. I couldn't do what I do if she wasn't doing what she's doing, which is, you know, investing all her time energy over the last like you know, six to nine years in, bringing up two of the most wonderful girls, uh, that you will meet, right? [00:02:52] Pranav Piyush: They're sweet, they're caring, they're curious, they are playful. and they're wonderful, you know, kids and, you know, she's sacrificed a lot in her career. So it's kind of a crazy story, 2022, she had a bunch of health issues. I had a crazy health issue for two months. I was going through something and it wasn't anything at the end, at the end of it. But in the middle of all that craziness, I go to her and I say, Hey, I'm going to do a startup. And you can imagine like any sensible person would be like, let's not do that. and there she was and she's like, Hey, I know you've always wanted to do this, and if you think the time is now, I trust you and you'll figure it out and let's go. And so that gives you a sense of, you know, who she is as a person. she puts her family and her friends above her in many ways, which can sometimes be a bad thing. So I am trying to encourage her to put herself first as well. but she is amazing. And you know, we've also known each other since we were like 13. So it's just a very different relationship. And uh, if she's listening, you are awesome, Charu. Thank you for everything you do. [00:04:09] Adam Fishman: I'm so glad we got to start with that because I feel like it's one thing that I don't talk to people enough about on the show is typically behind every successful, hardworking founder and dad is a spouse who's doing as much, if not more, to help out with a family or often build a company alongside them or something like that. [00:04:29] Adam Fishman: So, big shout out to, to your wife. and I'm so glad that, uh, that you two have known each other for such a long time. That's awesome. I am curious when, you know, you went to her and you mentioned, Hey, I kind of want to start a company. and she said this is something you've wanted to do for a long time. [00:04:47] Adam Fishman: Like, is that something you knew you wanted to do before the two of you had started a family together? [00:04:54] Pranav Piyush: Yes. So I've tried a couple of times. I tried back in, I think it was 2013 and then once again in college in 2006 or so. So I'd had a couple of stints of giving it a shot but didn't have the right ingredients, right, the right partner, the right idea, the right sort of timing. And so both of those attempts didn't really pan out. my wife knew me as my girlfriend back then in 2006 and, you know, as my wife in 2013. And so, she knew that I was going to give it another shot, but I wanted to take some time and. You didn't want to sort of do it again very quickly after 2013. So, we had talked about it. I had expressed it to her, but I also knew that okay, I've given it two shots and both the shots were not on goal. It's probably time for me to, you know, build up some, some security and safety. So, did that for a decade. Was lucky that I was able to do that. And then, you know, we got our green card, we got our, you know, roots sort of planted. We had two kids and then we're like, all right, maybe it's time to try a third time. [00:06:01] Pranav Piyush: And here we are. [00:06:02] Adam Fishman: Okay. And I think I'm right on this, but the two of you don't have any family members around, so it's basically just you two and, and your kids you don't have that village necessarily that a lot of people typically do when you know, raising a family. [00:06:18] Pranav Piyush: Yep. I mean, that's one of the hardest things about being an immigrant, right? So fortunately we have some family around in the sense that my sister and brother-in-law moved here, I believe now five or six years ago, maybe even longer. [00:06:31] Pranav Piyush: Uh, they moved from Hong Kong and we moved from Singapore. And so that's some amount of family, but they have two young kids. [00:06:39] Pranav Piyush: And if you have young kids, you kind of know, right? Your weekends and your, your weekday evenings just go and fairing them from one activity to the other and [00:06:47] Pranav Piyush: preparing meals and then preparing lunch and getting their homework done. So that village feeling is hard to get and yeah, that's exactly our situation. and this is a really weird fact, but I don't know if, if other immigrants talk about it this way, but we talk about would we ever go back to India? And the reason we talk about it that way is because if you do go to India, the. The environment is such that you can have a lot of help [00:07:13] Pranav Piyush: around the house. It's no longer this whole situation that you have a village around you or you're living in a joint family, but you have a driver, you have a cook, you have a cleaning person. You can afford to do that because labor is very different in [00:07:26] Pranav Piyush: those environments. And so many people in India were like, well, life in America would be great. [00:07:32] Pranav Piyush: And people in America are like, life in India is great because you have all this help around you and your, you know, money goes a lot farther. we don't have much of a village. you make it as you go. [00:07:42] Pranav Piyush: And hopefully, you know, our kids will have more of a village and uh, that'll be fun for them. [00:07:48] Adam Fishman: I am curious too about, you mentioned that as your kids are getting a little bit older, and you said almost six and then nine, your wife is, is sort of wanting to get back into the, to the workforce, seems like a pretty normal kind of rite of passage for people who take, uh, time to be with their, their family as their kids are, are growing up. [00:08:07] Adam Fishman: Once they're both school age, it's kind of like, well, they're going to be somewhere else during the day, so, What is the conversation or what has that process been like with the two of you talking? 'cause that's, that's a big change, to go, uh, and have both parents outta the house again. [00:08:23] Pranav Piyush: we talk about it a lot. And you know, something that I have been fortunate, with is. The thing that I gravitated towards, which is marketing and startups and, you know, growth and all of these things, have turned out to be, let's just say, sort of financially lucrative, right? In terms of the job market and what have you. And, the direction that, my wife chose in terms of the career that she built in her twenties, was one that was quite different. It was artistic in [00:08:56] Pranav Piyush: nature and that has a very different sort of marketplace of demand and supply. And so she did, you know, interior architecture and corporate interior designs and what have you, and she worked at some of the firms here in sf. but getting back into that game is quite different. And it's also hard because long hours, very tough expectations. If you can imagine, you know, working in a corporate interior design or even commercial real estate type of environment, it's just different. [00:09:28] Pranav Piyush: I don't think she wants to go back into that market because, you know, at a certain age and a certain sort of life stage, you don't want to work 12 hour, you know, days, to accomplish that type of, end game. And so she's thinking about actually entrepreneurship herself and starting with, you know, writing and, YouTube videos and consultation on the side for, you know, folks who want to, do great interior design without paying half a million dollars for a well-known, architect or interior designer. So we've talked a lot about it. It's particularly hard for her given her health situation. So that's something that we struggle with quite a bit. she has a couple of autoimmune issues and if you have any experience with them, that's quite burdensome. [00:10:18] Pranav Piyush: So you have to balance it. The kids, me doing a startup, you know, your own health is issues and then you wanting to do a thing and it takes a lot of perseverance. But she's made great strides. You know, she takes projects on once in a while and she's developing her sort of confidence to, to get back into the market in a way that would line up with how much time she wants to devote to it. [00:10:44] Adam Fishman: Yeah. Well, I can certainly tell you that I would love to have access to an interior, uh, design and architect that doesn't cost me a half a million dollars. So, she can have me as a, as a early customer. something that you mentioned, you talked to me about this kind of really challenging time that you had in when your kids were little. [00:11:02] Adam Fishman: Was one of your kids? I, I don't know which one. when she was two, she had to have surgery on her hip, and she was in a leg brace for three months, which, when I think back to like what my kids were like at the age of two, being like immobilized is not something that they would be very excited about. [00:11:18] Adam Fishman: Right. Like, they're older now and that would be even worse. But, hard to sit still. So you, you told me that this was. Basically the hardest period of, of your lives as a family. and I'm just curious if you could tell me more about, about that time and, like what it took to kind of make it through that. [00:11:36] Pranav Piyush: first thing I would say is like, she's perfectly fine now. And we are blessed to have amazing healthcare, especially in the Bay Area. So, and also in the grand scheme of things, people go through so much more. So this is like nothing. [00:11:48] Pranav Piyush: but I just wanted to start with that context that, hey, this was not something crazy life threatening situation. it was a fixable situation, but it was still hard for any parent to watch their 2-year-old in a, brace from like, basically, you know, chest down [00:12:05] Pranav Piyush: to your knees, I was like, how's this even going to work? Like from a mechanical perspective, it was like, what, what is this going to do? I, it was a whole thing. [00:12:14] Pranav Piyush: what does it take? I don't know. I, I think when you are a parent, you just have that survival instinct, right? Of like, you just have to get through it. Like there's. There's nothing you can do about it, but get to the other side of that situation. we learned a lot about the process before it happened and we made lots of preparations. [00:12:32] Pranav Piyush: And again, like the healthcare system was great, but, we got a special desk made for her so she could actually sit in that special desk with the brace on. we kind of jerry rigged the stroller to work where, you know, she could really just be in that situation. She has like basically keep her hips apart like that in this weird position for like the entire day. [00:12:53] Pranav Piyush: We had to change how the bed works, and get her a lot of extra cushion because she had to sleep in a certain position. it gets really hot inside a brace, so you had to have very good ventilation, extra ventilation at nighttime. again, this is maybe TMI, but the first time after the surgery that you come back home, The brace has a hole where you have to pee and poop from. [00:13:16] Pranav Piyush: when you're medicated up and you're in the hospital for four or five days and you go back home, it's a real battle. The first time after you come back home and you have to, you know, take a poop. it was not a fun experience for her. [00:13:31] Pranav Piyush: She [00:13:31] Pranav Piyush: was in pain for, I remember her just holding her and walking around for roughly two hours just to calm her down because she had no idea what to do with herself. [00:13:43] Pranav Piyush: And those memories don't go away. Right. Even the memory of like, me walking into the operating theater and leaving her in the operating theater and then walking out and I'm like, I hope no parent has to ever go through that. [00:13:55] Pranav Piyush: Obviously parents go through much, much worse. you have no choice, right? You're responsible for this life. You just have to one step in front of the other and keep going. [00:14:04] Adam Fishman: one of the other things I wanted to ask you about is. You mentioned to me, and I read about this on, uh, LinkedIn, a month ago. You said you recommitted yourself to 9, 9 6. [00:14:14] Adam Fishman: But, uh, I think not in the way that a lot of people would think of 9-9-6 when they hear a startup founder say it. so can you tell me the story of your version of 9-9-6 [00:14:26] Pranav Piyush: at some point in the last, like few months, obviously startups are, you know, intense. And so I've been working really hard for the last, like, several years, and I remember my kids kind of saying, I kinda remember exactly what the context was, but they were like, Hey, but papa is so boring. [00:14:42] Pranav Piyush: They called me papa, a British English thing, [00:14:45] Pranav Piyush: We don't want to hang out with papa because he's so boring. And that just hit me in a way that I was like, wait, what am I doing here? I could be building this amazing company, fantastic, but that shouldn't come at the cost of building some amazing memories for these two girls. And so the recommitment to 9-9-6 was, how do I take the, and I said something silly, like nine hours that I get. With my 9-year-old and my 6-year-old, so that's the 9-9-6 And realistically it's something like nine hours, right? Because the weekdays are intense and busy for me, so I basically just have dinner with them. But the weekends I do have some time, and how do I make those weekends the most fun that they could possibly have? So, you know, whether that's, playing basketball with them, whether that's, you know, playing board games with them, that's, you know, teaching them, just goofing around, throwing each other on the bed, whatever it is, but, you know, doing fun things for those nine hours so that, that's the memory that they have rather than boring papa who's always working all the time. [00:15:52] Adam Fishman: there's one thing that I do want to talk to you about, uh, and that's education. 'cause I know you have some really interesting thoughts on education, which I, I found fascinating, but, I want to get to those in a little bit. So before that, I am curious about some of the most surprising things that you've discovered, since becoming a dad. [00:16:12] Pranav Piyush: the one thing that's been interesting and challenging for me, so I don't know if I would say surprising, but it definitely sort of challenging. Each kid has such a unique personality, so our 9-year-old is very different from our 6-year-old. And so when we had the 6-year-old we're like, yeah, 9-year-old, you know, at that time was three and a halfs, like, we can have another rear. And the second child was just very different in different ways and, you know, different ways of learning, different ways of, you know, handling emotion, different ways of, you know, expressing sort of fun and all of those things. And so I think the challenging thing is just being aware of that fact and finding coping mechanisms and, to give that child their best possible environment rather than, you know, just like, oh, both kids are going to go in a certain direction. And so, that I think has been the most surprising thing to me is how different they are. I think the second thing that's very surprising to me is just how resilient they are. especially the, the second one who went through the whole, you know, surgery, she almost has no fear of anything. you know, sometimes parents will, you know, get frustrated with their kid and I will scold her or, you know, be a little bit harsh with her. Maybe it'll affect her for like five seconds. And then after that she's just on, you know, back in her jolly mood, moves on to the next thing and we're having fun again. [00:17:45] Pranav Piyush: And I think it's going to serve her very well in her career. the 9-year-old is not like that, by the way. it would go a very different direction. [00:17:53] Pranav Piyush: So that was also surprising to me that, some people are just built different. [00:17:58] Pranav Piyush: And I really want to preserve that part of her personality and encourage that, because I think that is a trait that not all of us, uh, have, [00:18:08] Adam Fishman: Is one of your daughters more like you and the other one's more like your wife? And if so, how does that break down? [00:18:14] Pranav Piyush: we have a hard time figuring that one out [00:18:16] Pranav Piyush: because they're both different from both of us. [00:18:21] Pranav Piyush: There's similarities in certain aspects, but I don't think they're either like, oh, a carbon copy of one of us. They have their own unique personalities. [00:18:30] Adam Fishman: Yeah, because they're so different. Have you found that you've had to kind of consciously adapt your parenting style depending on who it is that you're working with? [00:18:39] Pranav Piyush: Oh, absolutely. [00:18:41] Pranav Piyush: It is very different with the older one. It's a little bit, she's very self-directed and. She is actually more self-critical, I think, than she should be. She's, she's great at [00:18:55] Pranav Piyush: everything that she does, but it's still a thing in her mind to be better. The 6-year-old is a little bit more nonchalant and I don't really care what, why do we need to worry about anything in life type of personality. And so you have to take a different tack at making something fun, rather than educational. [00:19:18] Pranav Piyush: And the education will happen, but fun has to be part of the curriculum. [00:19:23] Adam Fishman: so you've been at the startup game, you said this is your third time doing it. but I think your first time with kids, [00:19:29] Adam Fishman: you know, we have a lot of people on the show who have young kids or or who listen to the show, who have young kids, or they're thinking about becoming parents and maybe they already are running a company or they also know that they want to found a company at some point. [00:19:42] Adam Fishman: So. For those people, people who are considering becoming a parent and building a company at the same time, do you have any advice or wisdom that you would share with them directly? [00:19:54] Pranav Piyush: this is hard because every situation is so unique. trying to think about what helped me, for the last, like since 2013, I had thought about doing a startup, but once we had kids, I wanted kids to be a little bit older that I could devote the attention to startup life [00:20:14] Pranav Piyush: because I knew that if I was going to do it at age one or two for my kids, I wouldn't be paying. The full attention, as a startup founder, right? As a startup employee, I think the situation is quite different. as a founder, that was a conscious choice for me of knowing my limits and knowing that I don't want to live in guilt one way or the other, of not being there as a parent, which I still feel the guilt or not being as present at work, which would've been a challenge if I had younger kids. [00:20:44] Pranav Piyush: So the advice really is be conscious about, you know, where you are in your life stage and what's important to you. And, you know, I have a founder friend who has two under two and is the CEO of a high growth startup. And I'm like, how are you doing this, man? How are you doing this? So people are built different. [00:21:04] Pranav Piyush: So I don't think there is one universal piece of advice. It's you gotta figure it out for yourself of What matters to you. And, you know, do that thing [00:21:13] Pranav Piyush: and just be conscious about it. Don't, don't let the flow of life dictate what ought to be. [00:21:20] Adam Fishman: I like, you know, your perspective there, which is like, Hey, I wanted my kids to be a little bit older so they were a little bit more independent and, we could balance better, me leaning into the company and, and that sort of thing. So that, that makes a lot of sense. I think that's really prudent, prudent advice. [00:21:38] Pranav Piyush: life gives you surprises. Our second child and my wife's health situation were very surprising. And so you need to leave enough room for the unknown because it's not all predictable. [00:21:53] Pranav Piyush: And that's, I think, an important part that, again, I'm a little bit more cautious and. You know, conservative when it comes to that. [00:22:03] Adam Fishman: Alright, so there's a couple of parenting approaches that you have that I, I wouldn't necessarily call them frameworks, I call them maybe approaches or principles, and I wanted to ask you about those. the first one is tell me about, joining your kids in the activities that they find fun. [00:22:20] Pranav Piyush: because my 9-year-old was very self-directed and, you know, kind of just a little bit of an overachiever in terms of like, I'm going to put my mind to it. I'm just going to do it. I had a hard time at, at different stages kind of influencing her of like, Hey, this is something you should consider, or this is something you should do, or what have you. [00:22:41] Pranav Piyush: And so the. Alternate framing now in my head is like, Hey, what do you enjoy doing? And let's go do that. And not about like, Hey, me trying to teach you something or me trying to, you know, make you do something that I enjoy, but you want to go play 90 minutes of basketball? Let's go play 90 minutes of basketball. an example here that I'm trying to think about is my 6-year-old, she's much more sort of hands on. So if you're trying to sort of do an educational exercise with her. It has to be more physical in nature. It can't be all sort of in the mind or like me talking to her, it needs to feel like we're using our hands and our bodies and what have you. So we figured out that she is great. If I just get a mobile, like little whiteboard and a marker and we're just like tight, you know, writing things up and like going back and forth, like, okay, how would you do this? That was a lot more engaging than me sitting in front of a computer or me, you know, sitting in front of a notebook. [00:23:46] Pranav Piyush: Just the simple change of a whiteboard was more fun for the 6-year-old. all the kids these days have like business fairs and science fairs and what have you, right? Instead of like me trying to game the system of like, Hey, let's figure out the most interesting thing we can do is like, no, what do you want to learn about? two years or three years ago, one of them said, rainbows. I'm like, all right, great. Let's figure out how we can create a rainbow. And we just, played around with mirrors and water and sunlight and we created rainbows. That was the science project. It's just like leaning into the curiosity of, the kids and what they would enjoy rather than, you know, me coming up with a formula of, Hey, this would be a nice science project that is likely going to get you in the top three, which is a common thing that I think all parents do. those are things that I try to lean into more. Just [00:24:39] Pranav Piyush: let them have fun. [00:24:40] Adam Fishman: didn't you recently start rock climbing with your [00:24:42] Adam Fishman: kids too? [00:24:43] Pranav Piyush: Yes, my 9-year-old got into rock climbing, I can't remember how, and she loves it every Sunday. So I decided to join them and now I go rock climbing with them. That's another one of those 9, 9, 6 things, right? It's like that's an active way for me to, you know, create shared memories with them. And we're comparing, Hey, did you do a V two or a V three? And, you know, I'm like learning all the lingo here. and it's incredibly fun. So, [00:25:10] Pranav Piyush: yes, that, that's a great example. [00:25:12] Adam Fishman: I take it you had not been much of a rock climber or boulderer before, [00:25:17] Pranav Piyush: Zero experience. I'm like maybe six weeks into it or something like that, maybe lesser. And my arms are always pumping by the end of the session right now. [00:25:26] Pranav Piyush: Like my technique is way off. [00:25:28] Adam Fishman: yes. But you know, the grip strength on that mouse is going to be incredible, uh, at, at the keyboard. So, [00:25:33] Adam Fishman: uh, okay. Couple more, um, for you. The other one that you kind of have as a principal is like thinking about are there ways that you can challenge your kids? And you mentioned one of the ways that you do that is through like random trivia or this custom GPT that you, that you created. [00:25:52] Adam Fishman: So tell me about cha, how you challenge your, your daughters. [00:25:56] Pranav Piyush: I will just throw random questions at them once in a while and just. No agenda, we're just driving somewhere and I'll be like, Hey, do you know how this works? And they'll, you know, what is an engine or whatever, right? And they'll just come up with their own description of it and I'm like, let's explore that together type of thing. So I find that to be interesting. I don't have to think very hard. It's just like some random topic. Sometimes I'll also give them a really hard questions like, Hey, how do you, you know, divide 123 by four and let them kind of go on that journey on their own with no agenda in mind. The agenda isn't to teach them something. [00:26:34] Pranav Piyush: The agenda is just, is to have a conversation, [00:26:37] Pranav Piyush: honestly, and see how their mind thinks. And sometimes they will surprise me in a very positive way of like, oh, you figured that out. How did you figure that out? yesterday morning we were in the car and my 9-year-old says, oh yeah, you know, my nine year old's name is Ria, and my six year old's Zoya. And so the 9-year-old is trying to explain to me what the 6-year-old is saying, and she's like, oh no, she means she wants to meet her namesake. I'm like, how do you know that word? [00:27:05] Pranav Piyush: how did that happen? It's like, oh, I'm reading a this book and that book had that word that I just read yesterday. I'm like, all right, great. [00:27:14] Pranav Piyush: Do you know what that means? Okay. Do you know other words that you do not know the meaning of? So we just kind of go in. explore in like curious ways. but just trying to make conversation frankly. Because one thing that I've realized, like I did not have this type of relationship with my father. [00:27:32] Pranav Piyush: My father like barely spoke [00:27:34] Pranav Piyush: unless it was about, you know, very technical, mechanical things. He's a, he is an engineer as well, and I realized like, you need to come up with excuses to talk to your kids other than just saying, Hey, how was school today? and so constantly just trying out new ways to challenge them and what they know, what they don't know, where the gaps are. [00:27:56] Pranav Piyush: And it also feels like it encourages them to then ask those similar questions back to me. The 9-year-old is like, hey, just randomly walking out of the rock climbing, gym yesterday, she asked me, secrets are bad, right? where did that question come from? So I'm confused. She's like, oh, the book that I'm reading, there are these college going kids and they're all smoking cigarettes all the time. I'm like, oh no, maybe we shouldn't have given her that book. But also, no. Yes, cigarettes are bad. Right. So just like, I don't know what the point of that story was, but I found it interesting and funny that, you know, they're challenging themselves and they're like exploring the world and you just have to encourage it and find ways to encourage it. [00:28:39] Adam Fishman: Tell me about the custom GPT that you came up with to create questions for your daughters to answer. [00:28:46] Pranav Piyush: essentially what I've created is, and I try to prototype in lovable as well, and I realize I could just do it in chat, GPT, is I give it context about the things that my 9-year-old likes. and then just ask it the GPT to send me three or four questions at any given time as a way for me to ask my 9-year-old those questions. [00:29:12] Pranav Piyush: And then if she answers them correctly, then I feed that back into the GPT and it gives me three more questions. So it's almost like I'm not giving her GPT to do it, but I'm the medium of the [00:29:25] Pranav Piyush: back and forth and I've, you know, given it custom instructions to say, make the questions progressively harder. [00:29:32] Pranav Piyush: So if we're talking about math, then it's going to basically just keep ramping up, but it's not in front of a computer. We're having a dialogue. So. I can do that with any subject. So right now, the 6-year-old is getting into music. She's very curious about, music and she's very curious about art. [00:29:50] Pranav Piyush: you know, I'm going to prompt it. I haven't done it yet, but at some point when she starts going to art lessons, I'm going to prompt the GPT with some questions about color theory or what happens when you mix this and this, or, you know, things of that nature. And use that to have the conversation with the 6-year-old, because I know not too much about color theory, so [00:30:12] Pranav Piyush: that's a way to kind of engage, but also challenge them. and yeah, gpi t's great at this type of stuff. [00:30:18] Adam Fishman: two more principles that you have or things that you're working on. one is enjoy the small moments. So tell me about enjoying the small moments. [00:30:29] Pranav Piyush: I'm a big Warriors fan. I've always been a basketball fan, and somehow just watching me, the girls have become Warriors fans. And so we just enjoy hanging out on the sofa and watching a game if the game is on on Saturdays or Sundays, and, you know, just having fun through that. And they've gotten more passionate about it than I have at this point. [00:30:53] Pranav Piyush: So it's amazing. but that's one example, right? Another is. You know, cooking together. They love cooking and, you know, most of the times they're cooking with, with my wife, but sometimes we'll, you know, do things together. And so just letting them do little things in between of meal prep is a lot of fun for them. [00:31:13] Pranav Piyush: Like, flip a steak or flip a pancake or add chocolate chips to the pancake. Just like little things and goof around a little bit. we'll just have random dance parties once in a while. Music is on, Taylor Swift is on, and we're just, you know, living it up in, in the kitchen. and I think all of that stuff just makes parenting so much more fun. [00:31:35] Pranav Piyush: Well, it's also a great de-stressor, honestly. It's like I'm not thinking about getting more sales, [00:31:40] Pranav Piyush: building more product and hiring more people. Uh, you're just there in the moment enjoying the little things, [00:31:46] Adam Fishman: I love that. the last one that you have, which you mentioned to me that you're still working on, is put your phone down on the weekends or putting your phone down on the weekends. So this sounds like maybe this is still a bit of a struggle for you. [00:32:00] Pranav Piyush: I suck at it. Yeah, I'm very bad at it. I think this would be the number one complaint that my kids and my, uh, wife probably had of, have of me. So it's hard. I think I'm addicted to the Slack messages, the LinkedIn updates, email, and I have to actively deprogram myself. I get good at it every once in a while and I, you know, [00:32:25] Pranav Piyush: I regress, so I'm working on it. It's not easy. [00:32:27] Pranav Piyush: Sometimes I do wonder if I should get a second phone. [00:32:30] Pranav Piyush: For the weekends, so I am like tempted by that idea. [00:32:34] Adam Fishman: Yeah, so that it just doesn't have any of those things. You basically put your work phone somewhere else and then carry around your one that just basically makes phone calls and sends messages or something. [00:32:45] Adam Fishman: Yeah. Yeah. that could definitely work just full of Taylor Swift songs. [00:32:48] Adam Fishman: Preloaded. [00:32:49] Pranav Piyush: exactly [00:32:49] Adam Fishman: Um, [00:32:50] Pranav Piyush: Yes. [00:32:51] Adam Fishman: alright. I said we were going to come back to this topic and that is education. I'd love to spend some time on this because it's something that I've been thinking about a ton, especially with AI and, things like that. so I think the first thing that I wanted to ask you about is [00:33:08] Adam Fishman: a feeling. And you said that education feels broken. so tell me about that and like how you've kind of come to that observation or, or how that feeling's developed. [00:33:20] Pranav Piyush: I mentioned the 9-year-old is a little bit of an overachiever, and so maybe it was six months ago, maybe it was a year ago, I can't remember, but I asked her, Hey, what are you learning at school these days? Or Tell me about what's happening with, with your math class? And she was like, yeah, I'm just bored. And I'm like, oh, no. Like, that's the worst answer that I could, right? Like if you're, you're loving it, great. It's very hard. Great. But your bored tells me something is fundamentally broken. Like it should never be boring. Now, the counter to that argument is sometimes boredom is fine. [00:33:54] Pranav Piyush: Like you have to figure out, like you have to be bored to be able to figure something else out. But I didn't see a path forward in that particular domain. Right? If you're bored in math class. What that just means is that you're not being challenged at all, and there's no way you're going to get challenged further down your, your trajectory because the teacher's goal is to get every student to a certain level, and that's a worthy goal. [00:34:18] Pranav Piyush: I get it. So this is not, meant to like, say anything negative about a teacher or a school. It's just when you're trying to teach 20 kids, you're going to have these variations. so that to me was the realization of like, Hey, something about the, the school system is broken. It's broken everywhere, right? [00:34:37] Pranav Piyush: It's not like it was any different in India or you know, Singapore. I studied in all these different places and we are not sort of figuring out or challenging our kids, enough. so then we go and find. Oh, this kid is doing Russian math and this kid is doing Singapore math and this kid is doing like this other thing. And I was just like, I don't want to go take them for two hours of classes on a Sunday morning. I'd rather be rock climbing with [00:35:06] Pranav Piyush: them. Right. [00:35:07] Pranav Piyush: So, the answer in my opinion, I don't think it's the right answer to say, let's just get them more help outside of school because you're not maximizing the time in school. Now, thankfully we found something like, you know, math Academy, which has been fantastic if you haven't explored Math Academy, it's just such a brilliant tool. my 9-year-old is loving it. I'm a big public school person,I think I have a very unrealistic expectation of what the public school system could do. But I do think that there is a better path and, you know, hopefully AI at tech, you know, we'll figure this out, it's not available right now as far as I can tell in the [00:35:48] Adam Fishman: Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm hopeful that AI will help get us to a more personalized, you know, supplemental learning that doesn't require hours of incremental investment and tons of extra money and things like that. But we're so early in that game right now that nothing has really emerged yet. So, speaking of AI though, one of the things that I think a lot of folks, have talked about is like, whether education's not going to matter anymore in, in sort of an AI future, [00:36:21] Adam Fishman: It's probably not a contrarian take for this podcast, but certainly amongst the like, AI, truthers, uh, of the world who think that that is the future. you think the opposite. You actually believe that school and college and education are essential. tell me about that and why you hold that belief. [00:36:40] Pranav Piyush: if you look at it from a marketing domain perspective, right? We all have been saying things like, ai slop is everywhere. Well, guess what? AI slop replaced, it replaced human lop. [00:36:53] Pranav Piyush: sloppy marketing has existed for decades. [00:36:58] Pranav Piyush: And so AI LOP is just replacing the human slot with AI generated slop. [00:37:02] Pranav Piyush: my point is that. When I bring it back to the education space, all I'm saying is that the bar is going to be different. People still have to learn how to think. And education's role and I'm going to go on a tangent here. You can say that the role of AI is going to be their, you don't even have to think, okay, that's a very dystopian world. [00:37:22] Pranav Piyush: I don't want to live in that world, what are we? If we're not doing that basic function right, we're probably something else. And we probably evolved into something else where we don't have to use our, you know, brain for anything. So if you believe that the world is the opposite of that, which is like you continue to have to, you know, think and, and have agency, then okay, maybe AI is really good at X, Y, and Z, but there's going to have to be a different bar that you have to pass to then be effective in that world. That bar is what you are going to go to school to learn. So I don't think the need for education changes. The content probably changes the format, probably changes, but you know, using your brain and thinking and, you know, whatever other things that we do, maybe it's not writing or typing, maybe it's, you know, voice typing, voice noting, whatever it is, right? [00:38:17] Pranav Piyush: But however you sort of express yourself in this world and have agency into changing the world, those things don't go away. [00:38:25] Pranav Piyush: And I think it's, naive to think that humans can just learn that on our own, we're social creatures by default. And that social interaction is what? Is 90% of school and college, and without that, I don't think you're going to be functioning members of the society. So I think people are conflating multiple things here. in, in what AI will do and won't do for, for education. [00:38:53] Adam Fishman: one of the things that you do in college is you learn how to participate in society socially, and you learn how to deal with an environment that's not you house, I mean, there's a lot of ways that you could get that experience, I suppose, but college is one of the best that we have for, for doing that. [00:39:13] Adam Fishman: It doesn't sound like that's going away anytime soon. [00:39:16] Pranav Piyush: it doesn't seem like it either. And. Like I said, people crave a certain experience. And another example here is the, is the following. there are folks who believe that every movie is going to be hyper-personalized. It's going to be exactly what you want, exactly what you are going to laugh about and what have you. Okay. Half or maybe even 80% of the value of movies and TV shows and music is the shared experience is when your favorite song comes on. It's like 20 people just like get up and start dancing. [00:39:52] Pranav Piyush: There are 20 people who are like, oh, that movie was amazing. And you have an amazing conversation about why you love that movie. And again, bringing it back to education, I think college is very much like that. There is something about that shared experience of going to class, hitting it, going to class, loving it, not going to class together. all of those things are what make college fun. And valuable and memorable, and thinking that suddenly culture is going to shift so precipitously that we all opt out of that world and say, no, no, no, no, no. We don't want anything to do with that because we can just be very efficient learning on our 13 inch MacBooks at home. I just don't see how that is going to happen. Now, some people will say, well, somebody invented college. There was something before college, right? So now we're talking about a a hundred, 200 year long movement. [00:40:48] Pranav Piyush: Maybe the time gets compressed, but there is something better than college. I, it doesn't seem likely to be a 13 inch MacBook. Maybe [00:40:59] Pranav Piyush: there is something there that's a better experience than college, but. [00:41:02] Pranav Piyush: I don't think anybody's given us a prototype of what that is. [00:41:07] Adam Fishman: that's really interesting. There may be something better than college, but it's not going to be a laptop sitting in your bedroom, you know, looking at things behind a screen. some of what you've said also fits in with your beliefs on, personal accountability and responsibility and having some agency. [00:41:25] Adam Fishman: You've used that word agency, a few times. you think it's important for kids to develop that at a young age or develop this idea of accountability and responsibility. why is that important to you and how have you worked with your daughters on those dimensions? [00:41:41] Pranav Piyush: I don't know why it's important. it was baked into me from my parents, so kudos to my parents for, for inculcating that in my, in myself. I think there's a lot of people who believe that they cannot shape the world around themselves, and they feel helpless and by the way, I can sometimes feel that way where I feel depressed that I can't change something about some aspect of my life. [00:42:04] Pranav Piyush: And the reality is you can, you can change everything and you just have to want it bad enough. the moment that clicks for you is you're not trapped in a body or in an environment that you have no control over. the moment that clicks for you that that's not the reality, that's, that's the matrix. It changes how you view the world. You, you just have more fun of, oh, I can tweak things in this way and that'll have some impact on how I do things or what have you. And I think that the sooner you get that as kids, the more fun you will have in life. In my opinion. This clicked for me way late in the game. [00:42:45] Pranav Piyush: I did not have this, probably until I was like 20, 22 years old. [00:42:53] Pranav Piyush: And some people get this very early in their lives. some people who learn how to program very early in life, I think it actually clicks for them is they're manipulating something and being able to see the impact of that. [00:43:07] Pranav Piyush: Like, oh, the feedback loop is very direct. And so if you can figure that out early in life. It doesn't have to be programming. Maybe it's cooking, maybe it's playing a sport, but hey, you can make the ball curve that way and you can make the ball curve that way. And it just changes how you view the world is everything is malleable. Some things are not really like that. And I put all the health concerns in that bucket. [00:43:32] Pranav Piyush: Some things just happen and, you know, medicine and genome be editing will, will hopefully give us more malleability there. [00:43:39] Pranav Piyush: but a lot of things are, in your control The 6-year-old does not feel sometimes that, but you know, she's also six. So [00:43:47] Adam Fishman: are some of the ways that you've tried to show that or help your, help your girls understand that? [00:43:54] Pranav Piyush: The 6-year-old is going through a particular challenge right now where she wants to learn how to bike. [00:44:00] Pranav Piyush: But she's not getting it. And that results in lots of frustration and it has required me to change my teaching style and be a far more patient parent, than I think what I was capable of. So there it's about breaking it down into smaller steps and saying, okay, let's put this bike aside for a second. [00:44:25] Pranav Piyush: and I don't mean that in the session of teaching, but like three days later we'll learn something else. And I will try to connect the dots of like, you see how you did not know this? Now you know this. And that's because you put in the effort to learn it the same way we can learn how to bike. [00:44:41] Pranav Piyush: Just don't get frustrated, right? but you have to show them that they can put in the effort and have the agency to change the circumstances around themselves. That's one micro example. I hope she will get better at biking because she gets really frustrated when she is not able to do it. [00:44:58] Adam Fishman: I don't know that many fully grown adults [00:45:02] Pranav Piyush: exactly. [00:45:02] Adam Fishman: how to ride a bicycle, so, I believe in her abilities, uh, and her, her sticktoitiveness, so, yeah. [00:45:10] Adam Fishman: okay. I wanted to come all the way back to, uh, something you mentioned earlier, which is that you are really working to try to figure out how to put your phone down on the weekends, and that, that's still challenging for you. given your own challenges with it, what do you think about the role that you want technology to play in your kids' lives as they get older? [00:45:35] Pranav Piyush: they have limited access to tech these days. they, you know, get a little bit of TV and a little bit of iPad, but that's pretty much it. And by little bit, I mean, you know, I could count the number of hours in a week. [00:45:51] Pranav Piyush: would they ever be allowed to have phones? And I'm like. Probably not until they're much older than the average these days. [00:46:00] Pranav Piyush: and so I do feel that you need to, really be in a non phone world until, I don't know either 16, 18. [00:46:09] Pranav Piyush: I'm not sure if I'm going to give into peer pressure by then or if my kids are going to get into the peer pressure by then, but that's my current thinking. So I think there's a lot of good technology laptops. I'm all for them. I think they're great. But there's something about the mobile phone that is quite negative it can be positive, but it's also quite negative. [00:46:31] Pranav Piyush: the balance is very hard to figure out. So better to delay that until a stage where they're capable of making that judgment for themselves, [00:46:40] Pranav Piyush: and build strong habits. We all know the, the positives and the negatives of social media, [00:46:47] Pranav Piyush: or now I don't even know if it's qualifying as social media, but media in general, short form media. [00:46:54] Pranav Piyush: I really think that we need to encourage our kids to stay away from it for as long as possible and, have a more slow introduction to the internet and tech like we all had when we were growing up. you know, use it for education, use it for learning. Those are great mechanisms to use technology in earlier life. [00:47:14] Adam Fishman: okay. Two final questions for you. what is something that you are most looking forward to with your kids over the next year? [00:47:24] Pranav Piyush: the one that I'm actually particularly excited about, and I have a selfish reason for this. I've never been to Disneyland or Disney World, and I think my kids are getting to the stage where they are going to love it. And so it's going to be that, maybe we'll do that next year. the second one, which I'm particularly excited about is we're also in the process where we're just starting the process of, bringing my parents from India to here I got my citizenship this year, and so I can now sponsor their, move. [00:47:56] Pranav Piyush: And so all the drama around it. So don't ask my wife about this whole thing. She's very, like nervous and all that about the whole situation. But, uh, I'm pretty hopeful. And so I actually think that they will get to experience grandparents in a very different way than they have in the last, you know, nine years of their lives. And I think that's quite special. I, I don't think I had that as a kid. My grandparents did not live in the same city and in India and I never really knew them. And I think kids having an experience of grandparents is quite different. [00:48:30] Pranav Piyush: So I'm very excited about that, that they get to have grandparents around them and I'm very excited about them going to Disneyland. [00:48:39] Adam Fishman: Oh, awesome. Two very different, but, uh, both very fun things, [00:48:43] Adam Fishman: so. All right. Okay. To end, how can people follow along or be helpful to you in any way? I. [00:48:52] Pranav Piyush: go follow me on LinkedIn and I, I talk about marketing stuff, so I don't know if that's relevant for everybody, but sometimes I will chime in with my unique perspective on work and, and personal life. [00:49:05] Pranav Piyush: And if you enjoy that, give me a follow. I have two podcasts. [00:49:09] Pranav Piyush: One is called Brand Performance. We just rebranded that, where we talk to CMOs about all things brand marketing and performance marketing. The illusion that they are different things. And the second is a new one called GTMN. [00:49:25] Pranav Piyush: This is, uh, inspired by TVPN, but it's all things go to market news, on a weekly basis with my good friend Austin Hay. [00:49:34] Pranav Piyush: if you like those, Go to any of your favorite podcasts. Go, go sign up for brand formats or go to GTMN and you know, tell me what you think. [00:49:41] Adam Fishman: Cool. Well, I am going to have to subscribe certainly to GTMN because I know both you now and Austin, so I'm excited to listen. And I did see that that came out pretty recently, so I'm, I'm stoked. We'll link to both of those in the show notes. Uh, okay. If we have just a few more minutes, let's do lightning round, uh, which is always a [00:50:01] Adam Fishman: special treat. [00:50:03] Adam Fishman: okay, here we go. Uh, what is the most indispensable parenting product that you've ever purchased? [00:50:10] Pranav Piyush: Oh my God, the SNOO was amazing. So if you're a parent and you still haven't heard about the snoo you're just about to, you know, have your first go get yourself a SNOO rental. It is the best. [00:50:24] Adam Fishman: Okay. I noticed you said rental. they are pretty expensive [00:50:28] Pranav Piyush: yes. [00:50:29] Adam Fishman: firsthand, so No, but the SNOO is a fan favorite on this pod. So, uh, what is on the other side the most useless parenting product you've ever purchased? [00:50:39] Pranav Piyush: I have to say fewer toys. I mean, just, you know, there's a gazillion toys that my wife is asking our kids to donate or get rid of. So I [00:50:51] Pranav Piyush: don't have one. particular one. It's just like, we have more toys than we need [00:50:55] Adam Fishman: Okay. What is the weirdest thing that you've ever found in your kids' pockets or in the bottom of the washing machine? I. [00:51:04] Pranav Piyush: Oh my God, this happened very recently, but we recovered a piece of, you know, on the children's playground you have that surface that one piece of that was lodged into her ear. Not pockets, but this was like two weeks of pain. And then we discovered this and I'm like, how did that happen? So, that not happen to any other [00:51:31] Adam Fishman: Wow. The little like rubber parts of the playground in her [00:51:36] Pranav Piyush: I don't know what to call it. Like a rubber pellet. [00:51:38] Adam Fishman: Oh my God. That's crazy. okay. True or false, there's only one correct way to load a dishwasher. [00:51:45] Pranav Piyush: oh. False. [00:51:48] Adam Fishman: Yeah, there are multiple ways. Okay. [00:51:50] Pranav Piyush: it's your wife's way and it's your way. [00:51:52] Pranav Piyush: And, uh, they're very different. [00:51:55] Adam Fishman: Yep. But both equally acceptable. Okay. [00:51:59] Adam Fishman: Uh, yeah, I love that. Okay. What would you say is your signature Dad's superpower? [00:52:08] Pranav Piyush: I can break into dance any moment. [00:52:10] Adam Fishman: Okay. All right. Dance mode. Dad. Um, is across nine years of parenting now, what is your least favorite parenting task? [00:52:20] Pranav Piyush: dealing with night, wake up [00:52:23] Pranav Piyush: for my 6-year-old. [00:52:24] Pranav Piyush: and the reason is very specific, and I'll keep it short. She literally tells me, go away. I want mama. [00:52:33] Adam Fishman: So you're woken up for no reason. [00:52:37] Adam Fishman: Okay. [00:52:38] Pranav Piyush: one hour of consoling her, go away. I want mama [00:52:40] Adam Fishman: Okay. One hour well spent though, I'm sure. what is the crazier block of time in your house? Is it 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM or 6:00 PM To 8:00 PM [00:52:52] Pranav Piyush: If you ask my wife 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM you know, I think that's pretty typical for most, most households. Getting them ready, getting 'em out the [00:53:00] Pranav Piyush: door. [00:53:01] Adam Fishman: the door? Yep, [00:53:02] Pranav Piyush: They'll wake up at 6:00 AM on a Saturday, no problem. But getting 'em to wake up at seven on on a weekday is hard. [00:53:08] Adam Fishman: Okay. I know that, I know that pain well. if your kids had to describe you in one word, what would it be? [00:53:16] Pranav Piyush: Ooh. They probably say marketing. They hear me talk about marketing all the time. [00:53:19] Adam Fishman: Okay. I'm glad that they know that term. what is your go-to dad wardrobe? [00:53:26] Pranav Piyush: Is there a dad wardrobe? Is there a thing? Do people have these? [00:53:30] Adam Fishman: I don't know. Apparently [00:53:32] Pranav Piyush: tell you. [00:53:33] Pranav Piyush: Okay. Okay. Maybe I'm, I'm thinking about what I do on the weekend. So there's a Uniqlo, like sweatpants, there's a t-shirt, there's a hoodie, and there's flip flops. [00:53:43] Adam Fishman: Yep. [00:53:44] Pranav Piyush: Probably [00:53:45] Adam Fishman: That's it. That sounds like a pretty good dad wardrobe to me. how many parenting books do you have in your house? [00:53:53] Pranav Piyush: not many. [00:53:54] Adam Fishman: Okay. [00:53:56] Pranav Piyush: close to zero at [00:53:57] Pranav Piyush: this point. [00:53:57] Adam Fishman: okay. Did you at some point have parenting books in the house? [00:54:01] Pranav Piyush: My wife bought them and asked me to read them, and I did not read them. [00:54:06] Adam Fishman: That was my follow up question was how many of you read cover to h cover? And the answer is zero. But I would bet that your wife has also not read. Very many of them cover to cover. So. [00:54:16] Pranav Piyush: I am pretty sure she actually did. [00:54:18] Pranav Piyush: She is [00:54:19] Adam Fishman: is super, [00:54:20] Pranav Piyush: diligent. [00:54:21] Adam Fishman: Okay. What is the most absurd thing that one of your daughters has ever asked you to buy for her? [00:54:28] Pranav Piyush: I'm stumped because I can't remember anything that has been wildly ridiculous. [00:54:33] Adam Fishman: Okay. [00:54:35] Adam Fishman: Okay. That's all right. That's all right. What is the most difficult kids TV show that you've ever had to sit through? [00:54:43] Pranav Piyush: I mean, oh my God. Just kill me if I have to see another Cocomelon episode. [00:54:50] Adam Fishman: I [00:54:50] Adam Fishman: think Coco, I think Cocomelon holds the mantle for the all time worst. [00:54:56] Adam Fishman: Okay. All right. On the flip side, what is your favorite kids movie [00:55:01] Pranav Piyush: We went to see Zootopia two in the theater, like literally on Thanksgiving Day [00:55:07] Pranav Piyush: [00:55:07] Pranav Piyush: my 6-year-old loved it. Yeah. She was a fan. [00:55:09] Pranav Piyush: So I think Zootopia one was better, but you know. Yeah. Zootopia is, [00:55:15] Adam Fishman: Okay, cool. What, uh, nostalgic movie can you not wait to force your daughters to watch with you? [00:55:24] Pranav Piyush: I was thinking about exactly this and I was like, back to the future would be kind of epic [00:55:29] Adam Fishman: Yep. [00:55:30] Pranav Piyush: to watch. [00:55:31] Pranav Piyush: yeah. That was one that I was like, yeah, that'd be, that'd be a fun watch. [00:55:34] Adam Fishman: Okay. Back to the future. Also a favorite on this, on this show. How, uh, often do you tell your daughters back in my day stories. [00:55:43] Pranav Piyush: once a month, it's not that bad. [00:55:45] Adam Fishman: Okay. Okay. It might get worse as they get older, I don't [00:55:49] Adam Fishman: know. Or as you get older, one of those two. okay. What is your favorite dad hack for road trips or flights? [00:55:56] Pranav Piyush: they have unlimited iPad on road trips and on, on planes. [00:56:01] Pranav Piyush: That's the only way we're going to keep them sane. But my wife is more clever about it, so she carries a coloring book and all types of colors and stickers and I don't know what else. [00:56:11] Pranav Piyush: And that also keeps them pretty [00:56:13] Adam Fishman: That's good. [00:56:14] Pranav Piyush: But that's it. [00:56:15] Adam Fishman: Okay, final question. What is your take on minivans? [00:56:20] Pranav Piyush: actively thinking about buying one. [00:56:22] Adam Fishman: Wow. Okay. do you have any particular models that you're, uh, in, in the hunt for? [00:56:28] Pranav Piyush: Very vanilla. The Honda Odyssey [00:56:31] Pranav Piyush: and the Toyota. Toyota. What's the Toyota one? Sienna. There we go. [00:56:35] Pranav Piyush: Somebody was recommending the Kia something, but I'm [00:56:39] Adam Fishman: I I have heard about that one as well. You will not find any one of those parked in my driveway, however, I am excited for you and your future purchase. So, um, yeah, the ultimate parenting spaceship is the minivan. okay, well, good luck on that. Uh, on that journey, perhaps a holiday present for you and the family? [00:56:59] Pranav Piyush: Oh my God. I don't know. [00:57:01] Pranav Piyush: I don't It's going to, it's going to be a lot of trouble trying to get that up our steep, uh, driveway in Belmont. Uh, [00:57:09] Adam Fishman: yes. [00:57:10] Pranav Piyush: shall see. [00:57:11] Adam Fishman: Okay. Well on that note, Pranav, it's been a pleasure having you here on the show with me today. Thank you so much for joining me and, uh, best wishes to you and your family, and your wife and your company. [00:57:24] Pranav Piyush: Thank you so much Adam, and [00:57:25] Pranav Piyush: thanks for doing this. I'm, I'm really impressed with, uh, how you've pulled this together and,great job, uh, doing this for everybody who's thinking about startups and parenting. it's fantastic. [00:57:37] Adam Fishman: Alright, thank you very much. Thank you for listening to today's conversation with Pranav Piyush. You can subscribe and watch the show on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Visit www.startupdadpod.com to learn more and browse past episodes. Thanks for listening, and see you next week.